Erik and Adam settle the score on wet footing versus dry footing across the portages of the Boundary Waters. A recap of a nice day trip in the park and some interesting geology discoveries. Plus, how much salt will kill you? Want to skip the cold open? Start at (5:38). Save the Boundary Waters Sportsmen […]
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Episode Transcript
[0:00:01 – 0:00:03] Erik: Hey, it’s Eric and Adam.
[0:00:04 – 0:00:04] Erik: Hi.
[0:00:06 – 0:00:10] Erik: Just want to take a minute and get serious with you.
[0:00:10 – 0:00:11] Erik: Just for a minute.
[0:00:11 – 0:00:14] Erik: We’ll put in the show notes when this ends if you want to skip it.
[0:00:15 – 0:00:19] Erik: But, please, we think it’s important.
[0:00:19 – 0:00:21] Adam: It’s not all frosting, folks.
[0:00:21 – 0:00:22] Erik: It’s not all frosting.
[0:00:22 – 0:00:26] Erik: It’s not all poop jokes or laugh tracks.
[0:00:27 – 0:00:28] Erik: Or party horns.
[0:00:28 – 0:00:29] Erik: That is our go-to.
[0:00:30 – 0:00:31] Adam: Or bags of wine.
[0:00:31 – 0:00:34] Adam: There’s serious things in life that once in a while you’ve got to get to them.
[0:00:35 – 0:00:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:00:36 – 0:00:43] Erik: And we don’t want it to be a podcast about it, but this is episode 25, and we have not mentioned it yet, really.
[0:00:44 – 0:00:52] Erik: And that is the looming threat to the place that we love, the place that we enjoy.
[0:00:53 – 0:00:58] Erik: The place that so many other people enjoy and obviously listen to this show.
[0:00:58 – 0:01:01] Erik: So I think it would be important for us to say.
[0:01:03 – 0:01:04] Erik: We are anti-mining.
[0:01:05 – 0:01:05] Adam: Boo.
[0:01:06 – 0:01:06] Erik: Yeah, boo.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:09] Erik: And we’re not going to go into the logistics.
[0:01:09 – 0:01:14] Erik: I think anybody that listens to this show probably knows where that whole situation is at.
[0:01:14 – 0:01:16] Erik: It’s divisive.
[0:01:17 – 0:01:17] Erik: It’s tough.
[0:01:18 – 0:01:21] Erik: It’s not a conversation that at this point we really want to get into in depth.
[0:01:22 – 0:01:25] Erik: But I want to say a couple of things about it.
[0:01:26 – 0:01:42] Erik: And mostly things that aren’t as specific as they probably should be, but that is simply because I don’t think we are at the level of knowledge on where things are at to be able to speak correctly.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:43] Erik: fluently on it.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:58] Erik: What I can say is any proposed mining, any actual mines in the science that I have read or seen seems like a bad idea and we are against it.
[0:01:58 – 0:02:08] Erik: With that in mind, I think the biggest concern for it is the off again, on again process of how the whole thing has played out.
[0:02:09 – 0:02:11] Erik: And what I would like to say is that
[0:02:13 – 0:02:20] Erik: It’s very easy to get worn down by the news of potential mining.
[0:02:20 – 0:02:22] Erik: No, now we’re in the clear.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:24] Erik: Oh, no, now we’re not in the clear.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:25] Adam: Or, you know, it’ll never happen.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:27] Adam: That’ll never happen.
[0:02:27 – 0:02:28] Adam: Don’t even worry about it.
[0:02:29 – 0:02:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:29 – 0:02:31] Adam: Which I am guilty of that mindset sometimes.
[0:02:33 – 0:02:36] Adam: You said, well, maybe we should bring it up and at least address it.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:37] Adam: It’s the 25th episode.
[0:02:37 – 0:02:38] Adam: I said, yeah, we should, but…
[0:02:39 – 0:02:42] Adam: I kind of got my head in the sand on this one a little, which I shouldn’t.
[0:02:43 – 0:02:46] Adam: But I just feel like, yeah, it’s always this looming threat.
[0:02:47 – 0:02:49] Adam: There’s so many things to worry about these days.
[0:02:50 – 0:02:51] Adam: And I don’t know.
[0:02:51 – 0:02:52] Adam: It’s never going to happen.
[0:02:53 – 0:02:56] Adam: But it probably will if we’re not paying attention now.
[0:02:57 – 0:02:57] Erik: Right.
[0:02:57 – 0:02:58] Adam: Like the interests.
[0:02:59 – 0:03:01] Adam: That’s a lot of money out there to be had.
[0:03:01 – 0:03:03] Erik: Yeah, the interests that have mining in mind.
[0:03:07 – 0:03:08] Erik: They have money to throw at it.
[0:03:09 – 0:03:12] Erik: And all we have… Money gets money.
[0:03:12 – 0:03:13] Erik: …are our voices.
[0:03:14 – 0:03:33] Erik: And I don’t know if it’s a tactic for sure or if it’s just the legal slash government process, but it seems like the way they do business, which is to grind down the public opinion, wear down the enthusiasm on people…
[0:03:34 – 0:03:43] Erik: And then kind of slip it under the rug at a midnight vote sometime, you know, around Christmas when nobody’s paying attention.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:47] Adam: Yeah, when the tables are finally turned in their favor and they can sneak one through on you.
[0:03:47 – 0:03:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:48] Adam: They will.
[0:03:49 – 0:03:50] Adam: They will try and sneak it through.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:51] Adam: That’s how it works.
[0:03:51 – 0:04:14] Erik: So the only thing that I’m going to say specifically about it is a recent development of a couple of congressmen from Minnesota who essentially put forth an amendment to the House Interior Appropriations Package restricting any funding that could be used for withdrawing federal mineral leases from the Superior National Forest.
[0:04:15 – 0:04:20] Erik: This makes protecting the Bonjou waters via a mineral lease withdrawal impossible.
[0:04:20 – 0:04:33] Erik: Essentially, they’re ignoring the results of years of U.S. Forest Service studies on the impacts of sulfide ore copper mining and the effects that it would have on the Bajau water.
[0:04:34 – 0:04:36] Adam: Yeah, why would you want to pay attention to those?
[0:04:36 – 0:04:37] Erik: Yeah, right.
[0:04:37 – 0:04:41] Adam: Wait, are these the state house or this is a U.S. house?
[0:04:42 – 0:04:43] Erik: Yes, state, Minnesota state.
[0:04:44 – 0:04:44] Erik: Okay.
[0:04:45 – 0:04:52] Erik: I don’t want to leave anybody hanging, but we will leave in the show notes a number of organizations.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:55] Erik: Save the Boundary Waters, Sportsman for the Boundary Waters.
[0:04:57 – 0:05:00] Erik: Contact your representatives on these things.
[0:05:01 – 0:05:12] Erik: It gets to the point where you feel like you’re beating a dead horse, but I think when you give up on beating the dead horse, that’s when the changes that you don’t want to see occur actually happen.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:14] Erik: So,
[0:05:14 – 0:05:20] Erik: We’re not going to go on much longer and we’re not going to make it a regular thing unless it has to be.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:33] Erik: But I just, you know, for me, I can’t stress enough that if you have enough time to listen to this podcast, you probably care about the bargewaters enough to be paying attention.
[0:05:34 – 0:05:35] Erik: Don’t stop paying attention.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:18] Adam: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:19] Adam: I am Adam.
[0:06:20 – 0:06:22] Adam: With me, as always, is Eric.
[0:06:24 – 0:06:24] Adam: Hi.
[0:06:25 – 0:06:31] Adam: We’re recording live here at Studio M. Mystery studio.
[0:06:34 – 0:06:36] Adam: Old Studio Mysterio.
[0:06:37 – 0:06:43] Adam: And yes, episode 25 of Tumble Home, brought to you as always by Clearwater Historic Lodge and Outfitters.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:47] Adam: And also this week by our friend Paul.
[0:06:48 – 0:06:53] Adam: Still, we’ve got some Shell’s Beer Garten in a box.
[0:06:54 – 0:06:55] Adam: I’m starting out with a Roush Bear.
[0:06:57 – 0:07:00] Erik: We don’t have any to pop for the audio.
[0:07:00 – 0:07:01] Erik: You should pop this one.
[0:07:02 – 0:07:02] Erik: All right.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:05] Adam: We got a dry-hopped Kolsch also.
[0:07:05 – 0:07:06] Erik: Sounds interesting.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:08] Adam: Nice.
[0:07:08 – 0:07:13] Adam: And for later, a firebrick Vienna-style amber lager.
[0:07:15 – 0:07:22] Adam: The other one’s already gone, but, I mean, considering the gift of beer sponsorship that was bestowed upon us that…
[0:07:24 – 0:07:25] Adam: It’s been a couple weeks.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:26] Adam: We still have some left.
[0:07:26 – 0:07:28] Erik: We’ve been drinking every day nonstop and the beers.
[0:07:28 – 0:07:32] Adam: We’ve been trying hard, but Paul really gave us a lot of sponsorships.
[0:07:33 – 0:07:33] Adam: So thank you, Paul.
[0:07:34 – 0:07:35] Adam: And they’ve been quite refreshing.
[0:07:36 – 0:07:38] Erik: It’s quite muggy up here today in the North Country.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:42] Adam: I woke in a strange state.
[0:07:42 – 0:07:53] Adam: It was both 1,000% humid to the point where I was sweating with no covers on when I woke up, but also it was foggy and like 45 degrees in the house.
[0:07:54 – 0:07:57] Adam: The old combo of like can’t stand it humidity with 45 degrees.
[0:07:58 – 0:08:02] Adam: And then immediately warmed up to about 80 by 9 a.m. Yeah.
[0:08:03 – 0:08:06] Adam: It’s been a real sticky one up here in the woods.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:10] Erik: I was out on the water this morning, low hanging, misty clouds.
[0:08:10 – 0:08:11] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:19] Erik: A little cool, very humid, and as soon as those clouds burned off, it was like deep in the jungles of the Amazon.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:22] Erik: Thick, dripping, humid.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:26] Adam: Yeah, it kind of looked like it was going to rain all day, even though I was pretty sure it wasn’t.
[0:08:26 – 0:08:29] Adam: So, you know, did get some things done, but…
[0:08:30 – 0:08:34] Adam: Oof, it’s a rough patch, the six weeks of summer we have up here.
[0:08:34 – 0:08:35] Adam: Yeah, I know.
[0:08:35 – 0:08:36] Adam: Really too warm.
[0:08:36 – 0:08:38] Erik: Everybody that checks in, they’re like, hey, how you doing?
[0:08:38 – 0:08:39] Erik: It’s great.
[0:08:39 – 0:08:40] Erik: Great to be here.
[0:08:40 – 0:08:46] Erik: And I’m like, yeah, it’s awesome that you’re here, but I am way too hot.
[0:08:46 – 0:08:48] Erik: And they’re like, oh, you’ve got, this is nothing.
[0:08:48 – 0:08:51] Erik: We just came from where it’s 105.
[0:08:51 – 0:08:54] Erik: People are pretty thankful to be in this kind of climate.
[0:08:54 – 0:08:56] Erik: Yeah, almost everybody is like, this is great.
[0:08:56 – 0:08:57] Erik: This feels amazing.
[0:08:58 – 0:08:59] Erik: And I’m like, wow, I’m used to it.
[0:08:59 – 0:09:00] Erik: This feels terrible.
[0:09:00 – 0:09:04] Adam: So on this episode, we had the cold open.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:08] Adam: Thank you for sticking around and paying attention to that.
[0:09:09 – 0:09:13] Adam: And we also are going to be touching on portaging techniques today.
[0:09:13 – 0:09:14] Erik: For the most part, yeah.
[0:09:14 – 0:09:16] Adam: Yeah, a lot of portaging talk out there.
[0:09:16 – 0:09:20] Adam: There’s a fox literally just walked by Studio M. Red fox.
[0:09:21 – 0:09:21] Adam: Hey, buddy.
[0:09:21 – 0:09:22] Adam: Hey, friend.
[0:09:22 – 0:09:26] Adam: I saw two fox yesterday when I was out on the wood hauling mission.
[0:09:27 – 0:09:30] Adam: And I think it was the same one both on County 14.
[0:09:30 – 0:09:34] Erik: Yeah, I didn’t realize that the portaging wet foot versus dry foot.
[0:09:35 – 0:09:36] Erik: I knew there was passion out there for that.
[0:09:36 – 0:09:37] Erik: It’s like every other post.
[0:09:38 – 0:09:41] Erik: It was like the battle rages on and we will award.
[0:09:41 – 0:09:44] Erik: We’re just going to stir the pot occasionally.
[0:09:44 – 0:09:47] Erik: Somebody’s arm will be raised in champions.
[0:09:47 – 0:10:08] Adam: yep um so we also have a a delicious day trip uh field we have a field report on a nice day trip nice little day trip that uh eric and eric was on this week i didn’t paddle at all um so i have nothing to report from the field but i i do have some stuff getting done around the house and uh
[0:10:09 – 0:10:17] Adam: Yeah, I chopped about a face cord of wood yesterday, and I weed whacked the shit out of the yard.
[0:10:18 – 0:10:21] Erik: Not even 10 minutes, and I got to do- Now you know it’s right at 10 minutes.
[0:10:21 – 0:10:25] Adam: 10 minutes, I got to go back and do- I weed whacked the shit out of that yard.
[0:10:25 – 0:10:25] Adam: Oh, jeez.
[0:10:25 – 0:10:26] Adam: It’s looking good.
[0:10:26 – 0:10:28] Adam: This is the jungliest time of the year, as we’ve mentioned, so-
[0:10:29 – 0:10:30] Adam: It’s really a battle.
[0:10:30 – 0:10:31] Adam: You’ve got to stay on it.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:33] Adam: But, man, the yard’s looking good right now.
[0:10:34 – 0:10:34] Adam: Got that done.
[0:10:35 – 0:10:39] Adam: I got started on a nice art project today with a chop saw.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:40] Erik: Wow.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:41] Adam: Tell me more.
[0:10:41 – 0:10:46] Adam: Yeah, I got some nice dry cedar and a chop saw that I borrowed from old Joshie Poo.
[0:10:46 – 0:10:51] Adam: And so I was out in the garage today chopping up some little pieces for this project I’m working on.
[0:10:52 – 0:10:55] Adam: It’ll be announced at a later date, the final product.
[0:10:55 – 0:10:58] Adam: And today I got two big batches of wine going.
[0:10:59 – 0:11:01] Adam: There’s a bumper crop for rhubarb this year.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:02] Adam: Bumper crop.
[0:11:03 – 0:11:06] Adam: I got a rhubarb mango going, which I’ve done before.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:08] Adam: This is a nice recipe.
[0:11:08 – 0:11:11] Adam: I know this is going to turn out fine, but then I got a new one going.
[0:11:11 – 0:11:13] Adam: It’s basically a plum rhubarb.
[0:11:15 – 0:11:15] Erik: Have you done one of those before?
[0:11:15 – 0:11:17] Adam: There’s some other stuff in there, too, though.
[0:11:17 – 0:11:19] Adam: It’s not all plum and rhubarb.
[0:11:19 – 0:11:23] Adam: I didn’t have quite enough plum and just not enough rhubarb to make that happen.
[0:11:23 – 0:11:27] Adam: So I got some filler stuff in there, just some red grapes and whatnot, but…
[0:11:27 – 0:11:30] Erik: Where did you get the plums and have you made a plum rhubarb before?
[0:11:31 – 0:11:32] Adam: Never made a plum rhubarb before.
[0:11:32 – 0:11:35] Adam: This is the fun part about winemaking.
[0:11:35 – 0:11:37] Adam: Mango rhubarb has worked out.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:38] Adam: Straight rhubarb is a beautiful wine.
[0:11:39 – 0:11:39] Adam: Very elegant.
[0:11:41 – 0:11:42] Adam: I’ve had plum wines before.
[0:11:42 – 0:11:46] Adam: I’ve not made one, so naturally my mind began to wander.
[0:11:47 – 0:11:48] Adam: Plum rhubarb, I think it’s going to work out great.
[0:11:49 – 0:11:52] Adam: Did you pick them from your plum trees in the yard?
[0:11:52 – 0:11:54] Adam: No, it’s a friend closer to the shore.
[0:11:54 – 0:11:57] Adam: I don’t have quite the climate for it up the hill here for plum tree.
[0:11:57 – 0:11:58] Adam: Right down on the shore.
[0:11:58 – 0:12:00] Erik: They can grow magnificent plums.
[0:12:00 – 0:12:01] Adam: Absolutely, yeah.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:06] Adam: So we’ll see in four or five months’ time how that one turns out.
[0:12:06 – 0:12:10] Adam: Meanwhile, we have got a couple more in the rack that we had tried two or three episodes back.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:11] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:12:11 – 0:12:13] Adam: Really exciting times at the home vineyard.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:19] Erik: Keep you updated on the wine that we tasted on first rack and how that turned out.
[0:12:19 – 0:12:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:21 – 0:12:28] Adam: I was going back too and I thought one of them was just pure blueberry, but then I was going back through my notes and actually I had dumped a couple pounds of apple in there.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:34] Adam: So we’ll see if that’s detectable, but I think it’ll be a nice blend.
[0:12:35 – 0:12:37] Erik: Anyway, that’s been my week.
[0:12:37 – 0:12:44] Erik: Do you want to start with the… Yeah, before we get to the little day trip recap, apropos of nothing.
[0:12:45 – 0:12:45] Erik: Oh, yes.
[0:12:47 – 0:12:54] Erik: This is a fun little thing, and I’m not going to cite any sources or give any show notes.
[0:12:54 – 0:13:01] Erik: This came from one fun little website at the tail end of a conversation I was having about somebody, and I’m just going to straight up ask you.
[0:13:03 – 0:13:07] Erik: Um, how many teaspoons of salt do you think you can eat before you die?
[0:13:07 – 0:13:08] Erik: Teaspoons?
[0:13:08 – 0:13:09] Erik: Teaspoons.
[0:13:09 – 0:13:13] Erik: And I, you know, that was the, that was the measurement that was given.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:15] Adam: I thought you were going to give me something easy.
[0:13:15 – 0:13:17] Adam: Like how many teaspoons are in a tablespoon?
[0:13:17 – 0:13:18] Erik: No, three.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:19] Adam: Hmm.
[0:13:19 – 0:13:25] Adam: Is this, I guess it doesn’t matter if it’s sea salt or Himalayan salt or regular old Morton’s.
[0:13:27 – 0:13:30] Erik: Yeah, just Morton’s, just straight up salt teaspoons.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:32] Adam: A salt silo?
[0:13:32 – 0:13:33] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:34 – 0:13:34] Adam: Oh, man.
[0:13:36 – 0:13:37] Adam: Before you just die?
[0:13:37 – 0:13:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:41] Adam: Yeah, enough that it would kill you.
[0:13:41 – 0:13:41] Adam: Wow.
[0:13:42 – 0:13:44] Adam: I didn’t think that even would be possible.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:47] Adam: Wouldn’t you just, like, you know, take a long nap for a while and come back?
[0:13:48 – 0:13:51] Erik: Whoa, I should have done that, like a real bad salt hangover.
[0:13:51 – 0:13:58] Erik: Well, we were looking at the back of a huge, like, four-pound box of Morton’s salt, and it was, like, 2,109 servings.
[0:13:59 – 0:13:59] Erik: Yes.
[0:13:59 – 0:14:04] Erik: And we just started doing the math on, like, if you ate that whole box of salt…
[0:14:05 – 0:14:08] Erik: Like could you, first of all, would it kill you?
[0:14:08 – 0:14:12] Erik: And how much of your like daily percentage of salt would you get?
[0:14:12 – 0:14:13] Erik: Sodium intake.
[0:14:14 – 0:14:17] Erik: And it would be enough for like well over a year of sodium intake.
[0:14:17 – 0:14:18] Erik: Hmm.
[0:14:18 – 0:14:18] Erik: All right.
[0:14:18 – 0:14:22] Adam: So like three, there’s like three teaspoons to a tablespoon.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:26] Adam: And then there’s, I’m going to say 12 tablespoons to a cup.
[0:14:27 – 0:14:28] Erik: Sounds about right.
[0:14:29 – 0:14:32] Adam: That’s like 36 teaspoons right there for one cup of salt.
[0:14:32 – 0:14:33] Adam: Yeah.
[0:14:33 – 0:14:35] Adam: If my math is checking out.
[0:14:36 – 0:14:40] Adam: So like 100 teaspoons is like three cups of salt.
[0:14:40 – 0:14:42] Adam: That sounds like a disgusting amount of salt.
[0:14:42 – 0:14:45] Adam: I’m going to go with 111 teaspoons of salt.
[0:14:45 – 0:14:48] Erik: Well, you’d kill yourself almost three times over.
[0:14:48 – 0:14:50] Adam: 47 is the official number.
[0:14:50 – 0:14:52] Adam: Got the job done.
[0:14:52 – 0:14:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:53 – 0:14:53] Adam: 47?
[0:14:54 – 0:14:54] Erik: Yes, 47.
[0:14:54 – 0:14:57] Adam: So like a cup and a half of salt?
[0:14:58 – 0:14:59] Erik: Yeah, all at once.
[0:14:59 – 0:14:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:00 – 0:15:22] Erik: i mean don’t do it kids yeah how long that when we were searching for this like there was the disturbing like ask google eat yahoo slash jeeves rabbit hole and one of them was like the tablespoon of salt challenge and i just like thought about it for a second and i was like i don’t even want to imagine what that would be like
[0:15:22 – 0:15:24] Erik: Can you imagine eating a tablespoon of salt?
[0:15:24 – 0:15:25] Erik: Gross.
[0:15:25 – 0:15:33] Erik: Just quickly, we won’t dwell on this, but as we were searching for it, I thought it was hilarious a couple of these other things that we found that can kill you if you eat enough of them.
[0:15:34 – 0:15:34] Erik: Bananas.
[0:15:34 – 0:15:34] Erik: Bananas.
[0:15:35 – 0:15:36] Adam: Yeah, well, that makes sense.
[0:15:36 – 0:15:38] Adam: They’re disgusting.
[0:15:38 – 0:15:39] Adam: 480 of them.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:40] Adam: What?
[0:15:40 – 0:15:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:42] Adam: Well, that’s insane.
[0:15:42 – 0:15:45] Adam: 179 espresso shots would kill you.
[0:15:45 – 0:15:50] Adam: You know, if you put one banana in a juicer, it’ll break your juicer.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:53] Adam: They’re the worst thing ever invented.
[0:15:54 – 0:15:54] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:54 – 0:15:59] Erik: Well, this is the best one that was included on the list for whatever reason.
[0:15:59 – 0:16:00] Erik: I have no idea.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:03] Erik: It just was like, oh, bananas, espresso, teaspoons.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:06] Erik: It was even like, yeah, if you drink enough water, it’ll kill you.
[0:16:06 – 0:16:11] Erik: And then the last one was like, hey, 24 tubes of toothpaste will kill you too.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:12] Adam: Like, what?
[0:16:12 – 0:16:14] Adam: Who can get past like one?
[0:16:14 – 0:16:14] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:16:16 – 0:16:17] Erik: That’s a toxic amount of fluoride.
[0:16:18 – 0:16:18] Erik: Jesus.
[0:16:19 – 0:16:19] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:19 – 0:16:24] Erik: So there’s your fun little fun fact for the week.
[0:16:24 – 0:16:28] Erik: I’m not going to be able to sleep tonight after hearing that.
[0:16:28 – 0:16:33] Erik: I’m glad that you know now that you cannot eat 100 teaspoons.
[0:16:33 – 0:16:39] Adam: At least I wasn’t off by a factor of like 28 or whatever I was with the space station question.
[0:16:39 – 0:16:40] Adam: I was in the ballpark.
[0:16:40 – 0:16:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:16:40 – 0:16:43] Adam: I thought it was well thought out.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:44] Adam: I figured three cups.
[0:16:44 – 0:16:47] Adam: I don’t know what these puny little punks are doing out there.
[0:16:47 – 0:16:48] Adam: I could do three.
[0:16:49 – 0:16:52] Erik: Three cups of salt all at once.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:53] Erik: Little shrimps.
[0:16:54 – 0:16:56] Erik: Just swallowing granules of salt.
[0:16:56 – 0:16:59] Adam: Yeah, what if you’re portaging a lot while doing the challenge?
[0:16:59 – 0:17:01] Adam: You could probably eat up a little extra salt that way.
[0:17:02 – 0:17:06] Erik: Or maybe it would be less then if you’re already sweating and dehydrated.
[0:17:07 – 0:17:09] Erik: You need to replenish them faster.
[0:17:09 – 0:17:12] Erik: Let it be known that that is plus or minus at least 12 teaspoons.
[0:17:12 – 0:17:15] Adam: Yeah, depending on your state.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:18] Adam: Your state of mind and physical fitness.
[0:17:18 – 0:17:18] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:19 – 0:17:20] Adam: And the size of your heart.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:24] Adam: And how big around your neck measures is.
[0:17:24 – 0:17:25] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:26] Erik: What’s your neck girth?
[0:17:26 – 0:17:26] Erik: All right.
[0:17:27 – 0:17:33] Erik: Well, now that we’ve rambled for 12 minutes about not much, but still interesting.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:33] Erik: Think about it.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:35] Erik: 24 tubes of toothpaste.
[0:17:35 – 0:17:35] Erik: Come on.
[0:17:36 – 0:17:37] Adam: 190 espresso shots.
[0:17:38 – 0:17:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:43] Erik: I did get the opportunity to get out on a little day trip this last week.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:45] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:45 – 0:17:46] Adam: Well, that’s nice.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:46] Erik: Yes.
[0:17:47 – 0:18:01] Erik: The one thing about it that we woke up or whatever and didn’t have any plans, me and my wife get one day off a week and didn’t have anything planned besides knowing that we had the day off together.
[0:18:02 – 0:18:05] Erik: And it’s so nice to be able to… Waffles.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:07] Erik: Waffles.
[0:18:07 – 0:18:08] Erik: No, we didn’t actually have any waffles.
[0:18:09 – 0:18:11] Erik: We did stop up for some trail center breakfast, but…
[0:18:12 – 0:18:13] Adam: Whoa, wait, what’d you get?
[0:18:14 – 0:18:15] Erik: Number one.
[0:18:15 – 0:18:15] Adam: All right.
[0:18:15 – 0:18:16] Adam: Bacon.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:19] Erik: Onions and cheese on those hash browns?
[0:18:19 – 0:18:20] Erik: Cheese and Cajun.
[0:18:21 – 0:18:21] Erik: Yes.
[0:18:21 – 0:18:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:22 – 0:18:24] Erik: And she had the grits.
[0:18:24 – 0:18:25] Erik: Yes, the grits.
[0:18:26 – 0:18:26] Erik: Grits.
[0:18:26 – 0:18:27] Adam: There’s a pro tip.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:33] Adam: If anybody’s ever at a trail center for breakfast, which you all should do, make sure you get the grits.
[0:18:34 – 0:18:35] Adam: Forget the pancake challenge.
[0:18:35 – 0:18:38] Adam: That’s only for bozos and the youth.
[0:18:38 – 0:18:40] Adam: Even if you are a youth, don’t be a bozo.
[0:18:40 – 0:18:42] Adam: Go for the grits.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:42] Erik: Go for the grits.
[0:18:43 – 0:18:43] Adam: Be a champion, youth.
[0:18:44 – 0:18:45] Adam: They make those in-house.
[0:18:46 – 0:18:48] Adam: I know for a fact that they’re amazing.
[0:18:50 – 0:18:52] Adam: Well, that’s a good start to the day.
[0:18:52 – 0:18:53] Erik: It’s a good start.
[0:18:53 – 0:18:59] Erik: Before I get to the actual day, which I’m not going to like, it’s not going to be a full trip report or anything, but it’s so nice.
[0:18:59 – 0:19:00] Adam: Do you have any field audio?
[0:19:01 – 0:19:01] Erik: I don’t, no.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:07] Erik: I do have some sweet, sweet coveted Snipe and Ham Lake campsite reviews, though.
[0:19:08 – 0:19:09] Erik: Those are always hard to get.
[0:19:09 – 0:19:13] Erik: Those will be coming out in episode 80, 80 or 90.
[0:19:14 – 0:19:14] Erik: Snipe Lake.
[0:19:15 – 0:19:16] Erik: Weird campsites.
[0:19:17 – 0:19:18] Erik: Quite bouldery.
[0:19:19 – 0:19:26] Erik: You know, we don’t get much time to actually go out and do much, but the ability to say, hey, the weather’s nice.
[0:19:26 – 0:19:27] Erik: Let’s go out and take advantage of it.
[0:19:27 – 0:19:34] Erik: Throw a canoe on the car and go at noon and be able to throw down four hours in the park.
[0:19:35 – 0:19:35] Erik: That’s cool.
[0:19:36 – 0:19:36] Erik: I like that.
[0:19:36 – 0:19:37] Erik: Taking advantage.
[0:19:37 – 0:19:45] Erik: That makes up for the fact that, yes, the schedules are so busy, you don’t get those four or five day trips.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:48] Erik: But on a whim, I can head out there.
[0:19:49 – 0:19:54] Erik: So on a whim, I was like, and I think previously I told you I had been to Snipe.
[0:19:54 – 0:19:59] Erik: And I was looking at the map and I was like, I have not been to Snipe.
[0:20:00 – 0:20:00] Erik: I’ve never been there.
[0:20:01 – 0:20:01] Adam: Wow.
[0:20:01 – 0:20:02] Adam: So that was the start.
[0:20:02 – 0:20:07] Adam: I was like, well, I don’t know how many lakes up here I’ve been to that you had not been to, honestly.
[0:20:07 – 0:20:18] Erik: Yeah, I think it was just because of talking to people who had been out there before and kind of knowing that it was like a weirdly unique lake with some of its features that I was like, yeah, I’ve been to Snipe.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:21] Erik: I was like, I’m not… Definitely haven’t been to Snipe.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:24] Erik: So we just did a little… Had to go on a Snipe hunt, did you?
[0:20:24 – 0:20:26] Erik: I went on a Snipe hunt and we caught one.
[0:20:27 – 0:20:27] Erik: Ah.
[0:20:28 – 0:20:30] Erik: Put in on… Yeah, and that was the other thing.
[0:20:30 – 0:20:34] Erik: We put it together on such a whim, I didn’t even consider like, hey, what…
[0:20:34 – 0:20:36] Erik: What way is the water flowing?
[0:20:36 – 0:20:38] Erik: What’s the lay of the land on these portages?
[0:20:38 – 0:20:39] Erik: We definitely did it the wrong way.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:50] Erik: We were climbing and paddling upstream because we put in at Cross Bay, went down to Ham, Cross Bay Lake, over to Snipe, up to Missing Link, and back on Round.
[0:20:51 – 0:20:53] Erik: And it was uphill the whole way.
[0:20:53 – 0:20:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:56 – 0:20:58] Erik: And between the two parking lots…
[0:21:00 – 0:21:03] Adam: I guess you had to go downhill from Missing Link down to Round.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:05] Erik: Yes, that was mostly downhill.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:15] Erik: And it was after it had been raining for two days, so most of the portages were just little rivulets, mini creeks still flowing with water.
[0:21:16 – 0:21:17] Erik: Wet roots.
[0:21:17 – 0:21:20] Erik: But we were day tripping.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:21] Erik: There was no wait.
[0:21:22 – 0:21:23] Erik: Footloose and fancy free.
[0:21:24 – 0:21:25] Erik: But I was shocked.
[0:21:26 – 0:21:26] Erik: Shocked, I tell you.
[0:21:27 – 0:21:29] Erik: We were talking about the 4th of July lull last week.
[0:21:29 – 0:21:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:30 – 0:21:35] Erik: I swear, like, we’re in the hangover of that lull because between those two parking lots, there was four cars.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:36] Erik: Huh.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:37] Erik: Four cars.
[0:21:37 – 0:21:39] Adam: That’s quite unusual.
[0:21:39 – 0:21:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:40 – 0:21:44] Erik: And we saw one campsite occupied and somebody out having lunch at a campsite.
[0:21:45 – 0:21:46] Erik: Between the…
[0:21:47 – 0:21:48] Erik: I think we paddled by 12 sites.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:50 – 0:21:50] Erik: Huh.
[0:21:51 – 0:21:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:51 – 0:21:53] Adam: Well, that is curious.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:54] Adam: I wouldn’t have guessed that.
[0:21:54 – 0:21:54] Adam: No.
[0:21:54 – 0:22:00] Adam: You should have opened with that as your trivia question and talked about the salt that you guys ate on your lunch stop.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:07] Erik: Well, I mean, the salt is relevant because it’s all we brought for lunch was 40 teaspoons of salt a piece.
[0:22:07 – 0:22:07] Erik: Salt silo.
[0:22:08 – 0:22:12] Erik: And I turned gray and my eyes crossed and, you know.
[0:22:13 – 0:22:17] Erik: I know that it’s 47 teaspoons for a fact because I’ve tested it.
[0:22:18 – 0:22:18] Adam: Pray the salt away.
[0:22:19 – 0:22:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:19 – 0:22:20] Adam: Pray it away.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:21] Adam: Pray it away.
[0:22:21 – 0:22:28] Erik: So, yeah, we did the little Ham Lake out of the Boundary Waters campsite reviews.
[0:22:28 – 0:22:38] Erik: Maybe we’ll talk about those on an episode where we’re talking about the places or the things that you can do if you want to still camp in the Boundary Waters, but…
[0:22:38 – 0:22:41] Erik: Not actually be in the park and have to worry about a permit.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:47] Erik: Because that entry point doesn’t actually start until you get past Ham.
[0:22:47 – 0:22:52] Erik: Paddled by the Ham Lake campsite where the fire started.
[0:22:53 – 0:22:53] Erik: That’s always eerie.
[0:22:53 – 0:22:54] Erik: It’s always a little spooky.
[0:22:55 – 0:23:01] Erik: You’re like, oh man, you can see right where it jumped into that cedar across the little channel.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:02] Erik: That’s the worst part.
[0:23:02 – 0:23:06] Erik: It didn’t just start from a campsite and burn up into the woods.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:07] Erik: It jumped across water.
[0:23:08 – 0:23:09] Erik: So, like, that tells you how dry it was.
[0:23:10 – 0:23:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:11 – 0:23:18] Erik: And then we went by that, there’s that nice site on the north side of Ham, up on that elevated little point.
[0:23:19 – 0:23:20] Erik: It was a nice day in general.
[0:23:22 – 0:23:23] Erik: Easy portaging.
[0:23:24 – 0:23:25] Erik: Easy paddling, calm waters.
[0:23:26 – 0:23:26] Erik: Snipe was cool.
[0:23:27 – 0:23:31] Erik: Very rocky, very interesting in terms of… Nice rocks.
[0:23:31 – 0:23:34] Adam: That’s what my Nat Geo map says about Snipe.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:35] Erik: Very nice rocks.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:36] Erik: Nice rocks.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:37] Erik: Double hull wreckers in there.
[0:23:38 – 0:23:39] Erik: Got to watch the hull.
[0:23:39 – 0:23:42] Erik: I’ll send you the picture so you can share it on Tumble Home.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:47] Erik: But at one point, we were paddling, and we came across this rock wall.
[0:23:47 – 0:23:51] Erik: And on top of the wall, it looked like the wall was wearing a rock…
[0:23:52 – 0:24:12] Adam: brim hat yeah because there was like this big overhang have you did you see that i know exactly what you’re talking about so we got some cool pictures of that i had my camera all kind of packed away when we were going through there and i didn’t get any good pictures in snipe and i really regret it because i thought like i’ve said this on a previous episode it was my favorite part of day one of our frost river trip
[0:24:13 – 0:24:15] Adam: Hit it really early in the day, too.
[0:24:15 – 0:24:20] Adam: I wasn’t ready to take pictures and be appreciative of a lake of that nature.
[0:24:20 – 0:24:26] Adam: I wasn’t expecting much from Snipe, but boy, it really delivered, and it exceeded my expectations wildly.
[0:24:27 – 0:24:33] Adam: What a beautiful lake, and a lot of cool little narrows you got to paddle with these huge, huge rocks.
[0:24:33 – 0:24:38] Erik: Yeah, extremely beautiful, and for where it is, I think, like, extremely underutilized.
[0:24:38 – 0:24:39] Adam: It’s a sneaky lake.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:40] Erik: Yeah, like, I could tell.
[0:24:40 – 0:24:41] Erik: The campsites were…
[0:24:41 – 0:24:43] Adam: It’s in between two things.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:45] Adam: It’s kind of in a state of limbo out there in the rocks.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:57] Erik: Yeah, it’s in between 50, Cross Bay Lake, and then Missing Link 51, and those both go in, like, opposite directions, but Snipe is just, like, right in between.
[0:24:57 – 0:24:58] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:24:58 – 0:25:02] Erik: And you can tell the sites don’t get used very often, and two of them I thought were pretty nice.
[0:25:03 – 0:25:14] Erik: One was like, if you want to come out and not see anybody, like you come out to this island campsite on the backside of snipe, it faces a dead end Bay and nobody’s going through there to begin with.
[0:25:14 – 0:25:19] Erik: And it was pretty nice, but more on that in episode 80, um,
[0:25:21 – 0:25:23] Erik: Came around, missing link, round.
[0:25:25 – 0:25:34] Erik: We were like paddling across round and dead calm, just hot, beating, ready to, because it had been hot all day.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:35] Erik: We’re ready to swim.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:37] Erik: Let’s just get to the round lake landing.
[0:25:37 – 0:25:41] Erik: We’ll jump out at the little platform that’s there for putting in.
[0:25:42 – 0:25:46] Erik: And we’re paddling across the lake and we get about 20 yards away from the landing and
[0:25:47 – 0:25:49] Erik: All we want to do is jump out of the canoe and start swimming.
[0:25:50 – 0:25:59] Erik: And dad and boy come walking down from the landing with two fishing rods with their blue jeans tucked into the rubber boots and start casting.
[0:25:59 – 0:26:00] Adam: What, rubber boots?
[0:26:01 – 0:26:01] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:03] Adam: It was like 80 degrees and they were in rubber boots.
[0:26:04 – 0:26:07] Erik: But the worst part about it was it was like, oh, okay.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:12] Erik: Well, I guess we’re not going to swim now because they’re just like casting out.
[0:26:12 – 0:26:14] Adam: You just purposely capsized yourselves at that point.
[0:26:15 – 0:26:16] Erik: I almost thought about it, but yeah.
[0:26:17 – 0:26:21] Erik: So we walked back to the car, drove over and picked up the canoe, called her today.
[0:26:22 – 0:26:34] Erik: I won’t go into too much depth about this little stop on the way back because I think that the geologist wife can lend a lot more information on this.
[0:26:34 – 0:26:40] Erik: But I saw some cool things on the way home that I did not expect to see, didn’t even know was up here.
[0:26:41 – 0:26:54] Erik: We stopped at a gravel pit on the way home that has remnants of stromatolites, which are basically like the first, in terms of the fossil record, the first iterations of life.
[0:26:55 – 0:26:59] Erik: And there are remnants of that indented in these rocks.
[0:27:00 – 0:27:05] Erik: And the only other place that there are living stromatolites are in Western Australia.
[0:27:06 – 0:27:08] Erik: And so we were able to stop and she showed me those.
[0:27:09 – 0:27:18] Erik: There’s also a layer of what’s known as the Sudbury impact, which is some ejecta from a meteor that hit however many thousands of years ago.
[0:27:19 – 0:27:21] Adam: It was like 1,000.
[0:27:21 – 0:27:22] Adam: Exactly 1,000 years ago.
[0:27:22 – 0:27:23] Adam: Yeah, perfectly.
[0:27:23 – 0:27:23] Adam: Yeah.
[0:27:24 – 0:27:24] Adam: From today.
[0:27:25 – 0:27:25] Adam: Yeah.
[0:27:25 – 0:27:27] Adam: That’s why we’re recording this episode now.
[0:27:27 – 0:27:31] Erik: It’s an anniversary, but we’ll let her talk more about that.
[0:27:31 – 0:27:32] Erik: But yeah, overall.
[0:27:32 – 0:27:33] Erik: Where is Sudbury?
[0:27:33 – 0:27:36] Erik: Sudbury is in Ontario on the east side of Lake Superior.
[0:27:37 – 0:27:40] Erik: Ugh.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:42] Erik: That’s quite the impact.
[0:27:42 – 0:27:42] Erik: Yeah, I know.
[0:27:43 – 0:27:53] Erik: For it to hit and then blast all the way across the lake and then have enough impact to basically what it looks like is like really rough asphalt.
[0:27:53 – 0:27:56] Erik: It’s like four or five inches of like really like
[0:27:56 – 0:28:14] Erik: hard packed it looks like somebody like botched uh laying down uh asphalt on a road like they got the mix wrong you can tell it’s like burned rocks but and it kind of packed together you ever spray a spoon in the sink though the wrong way i bet sudberries is really shaped like a spoon probably
[0:28:14 – 0:28:26] Erik: Yeah, and that’s exactly what happened in all directions where it sprayed off and there’s like little bits of these basically like miniature landings from the initial impact.
[0:28:30 – 0:28:30] Erik: Solid day.
[0:28:30 – 0:28:31] Erik: Good day.
[0:28:31 – 0:28:32] Erik: Nice.
[0:28:32 – 0:28:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:28:32 – 0:28:34] Erik: Well, you made good use of your time.
[0:28:34 – 0:28:34] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:47] Erik: So before we get into the question of the week, which is about portaging, do you want to share your thoughts, theories, and opinions on your relationship with portaging?
[0:28:49 – 0:28:50] Adam: Yeah, why not?
[0:28:50 – 0:28:50] Adam: Let’s get into it.
[0:28:51 – 0:28:53] Erik: Or do you need an air conditioning break?
[0:28:53 – 0:28:54] Adam: Yeah, let’s take a break, actually.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:58] Adam: Let’s hear from our sponsors over at the camping trough.
[0:28:58 – 0:28:58] SPEAKER_00: All right.
[0:29:01 – 0:29:06] Adam: Ah, it’s the first morning of your camping trip in the Boundary Waters canoe area.
[0:29:06 – 0:29:08] Adam: You’re having frittata.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:12] Adam: But gosh darn it, these plates are too big.
[0:29:13 – 0:29:16] Adam: And your cups, they’re too small.
[0:29:17 – 0:29:18] Adam: Have you ever had this problem?
[0:29:18 – 0:29:19] Adam: Well…
[0:29:20 – 0:29:21] Adam: Don’t bring all that riffraff.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:27] Adam: Next time you’re out camping in the park, bring the new Coughlin’s brand camper’s trough.
[0:29:28 – 0:29:34] Adam: Coming in six fun colors, the trough is the perfect blend of cup and plate.
[0:29:35 – 0:29:38] Adam: And you can put just about anything in there, including coffee.
[0:29:38 – 0:29:42] Adam: wine, or that tasty breakfast frittata.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:43] Adam: That’s right, folks.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:46] Adam: Ditch the plate and ditch the cup.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:51] Adam: Next time you’re on a camping trip, all you need is your personal camper’s trough.
[0:29:51 – 0:29:53] Adam: Also, great for doggo.
[0:29:54 – 0:29:55] Adam: Bring one for doggie.
[0:29:55 – 0:29:57] Adam: Put that kibble right in the trough.
[0:29:58 – 0:30:01] Adam: Doggo will be one of your crew next time you’re in the field.
[0:30:02 – 0:30:03] Adam: Great for gravy luges.
[0:30:04 – 0:30:07] Adam: Oh, boy, you can fill them things with a nice chowder.
[0:30:07 – 0:30:08] Adam: Bachelor parties.
[0:30:11 – 0:30:12] Adam: Cocktails.
[0:30:13 – 0:30:14] Adam: Make a tea.
[0:30:16 – 0:30:16] Adam: Gravy.
[0:30:17 – 0:30:18] Adam: Scrambled eggs.
[0:30:20 – 0:30:21] Erik: Bearnaise sauce.
[0:30:21 – 0:30:22] Erik: Sandwiches.
[0:30:25 – 0:30:26] Erik: Too far from the latrine?
[0:30:28 – 0:30:29] Erik: Trophit.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:32] Adam: Put a bunch of fruit platters in there.
[0:30:34 – 0:30:35] Adam: It’s a versatile tool.
[0:30:35 – 0:30:40] Adam: You can eat anything or put anything into our new camper trough.
[0:30:40 – 0:30:42] Adam: Try them this week on your new trip.
[0:30:42 – 0:30:46] Adam: Pick them up at Fleet Farm or your local grocery store.
[0:30:47 – 0:30:47] Adam: Brought to you by Codlands.
[0:30:50 – 0:30:56] Adam: All right, well, thanks to Coghlan’s for the camping troughs that they sent us, and they really are as good as they sound.
[0:30:56 – 0:30:59] Adam: I’m not just a biased sponsor.
[0:31:00 – 0:31:03] Adam: They are our sponsor, but we use them.
[0:31:03 – 0:31:09] Adam: We definitely carry at least five to six camping troughs with us on all our trips.
[0:31:09 – 0:31:11] Adam: They’re light on the portage, which is nice.
[0:31:12 – 0:31:16] Adam: And that is our topic of this week’s question of the week.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:19] Adam: Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
[0:31:19 – 0:31:43] Adam: question of the week how the heck do you portage that’s basically the question what is it is a two-parter really it’s uh kind of in the footwear realm what do you like on your feets and also what’s your style do you go on a solo you single portaging are you uh doing the one and a half are you doing the leapfrog are you doing the double or are you just on a leisurely triple
[0:31:45 – 0:31:48] Adam: There’s no wrong answers, but I’ll start.
[0:31:48 – 0:31:49] Adam: I’ll share first.
[0:31:51 – 0:32:03] Adam: My first experience really of getting in the water was as a youth growing up in old Wisconsin, walking the Branch River, casting for Pike and the occasional Red Horse.
[0:32:04 – 0:32:04] Adam: Nice.
[0:32:04 – 0:32:09] Adam: And I would wear, basically for those trips, I would wear like Umbro’s soccer shorts and
[0:32:10 – 0:32:11] Adam: Wow, throwback.
[0:32:11 – 0:32:13] Adam: Yeah, and old skater shoes.
[0:32:14 – 0:32:14] Adam: Vans?
[0:32:15 – 0:32:17] Adam: Yeah, I’m sure they were Vans.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:25] Adam: I had a couple other, some hookups, some DCs, but mostly Vans, and I’m sure that the shoes I have in mind were Vans.
[0:32:26 – 0:32:28] Adam: So that’s what I used to wear in the water back in the day.
[0:32:28 – 0:32:33] Adam: And then when I got my first job up here in the Monterey waters, I had a pair of Birkenstocks.
[0:32:34 – 0:32:37] Adam: And I remember my first portage going through from Clearwater over to Caribou.
[0:32:38 – 0:32:46] Adam: And, yeah, getting stuck in the mud with a huge, like, three-person Grumman aluminum canoe for some reason, even though I was on a solo trip.
[0:32:46 – 0:32:48] Adam: Terrible experience.
[0:32:48 – 0:32:52] Adam: And just really nasty mud and just in a weird open-toed sandal.
[0:32:52 – 0:32:52] Adam: Flip-flop?
[0:32:56 – 0:32:57] Adam: No, it was like a Birkenstocks.
[0:32:57 – 0:32:59] Adam: I mean, it was supportive.
[0:32:59 – 0:33:00] Adam: Kind of supportive?
[0:33:00 – 0:33:01] Adam: Yeah, but not ideal.
[0:33:01 – 0:33:14] Adam: And I remember I had gotten all this mud under my toe from this trip and just didn’t do anything about it because I was 19 years old and just didn’t care, I guess, or notice.
[0:33:14 – 0:33:17] Adam: And then a couple days later, my whole toe turned black.
[0:33:18 – 0:33:42] Adam: and i was advised to yes i had a dead toe oh geez and then i was advised to soak that thing in some epsom salt wow and i did and i guess it saved my toe but the toe nail on that big toe on my left has never been the same i’m gonna lose that so i blame it all on open toed sandals nothing against birkenstocks they’re a comfortable sandal but
[0:33:42 – 0:33:45] Erik: Does that explain why you wear what you wear now?
[0:33:45 – 0:33:47] Adam: Right, yeah, so that gets me to today.
[0:33:49 – 0:33:56] Adam: And on a recent trip on Brulee, I had my closed-toed Chaco, which is a really nice thing.
[0:33:56 – 0:34:04] Adam: It’s kind of got like a neoprene sock boot almost built into it, but it allows the water in and out so you can have a nice, cool, wet foot.
[0:34:05 – 0:34:09] Adam: But plenty of support, and most importantly, it’s got the toe guard.
[0:34:09 – 0:34:09] Erik: Yes.
[0:34:10 – 0:34:14] Adam: So that when you’re rambling around camp and kick a little tiny stump, some Boy Scout left for you.
[0:34:15 – 0:34:23] Adam: Or if you’re in a portage and you hit a root funny, you don’t take a nail off a toe or get it, you know, otherwise turning black and dead on you.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:40] Adam: avoid also mainly another big thing with the sandals is they get that little piece of sticker a little tiny pebble that gets in underneath oh and so these have that like neoprene booty thing going with them so that keeps all that riffraff out from the archways yeah that’s junk
[0:34:40 – 0:34:41] Adam: It’s beautiful.
[0:34:41 – 0:34:45] Adam: The only problem I’ve had with that particular design is on a really long portage.
[0:34:46 – 0:34:51] Adam: If it is wet, especially, you’ll get a bit of a rub in the back, especially on the right ankle.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:54] Adam: I don’t know why on the right heel there I get a little rub.
[0:34:54 – 0:35:03] Adam: So if I know I’m doing long portaging, but I want those on for wet feet, then I have a real thin pair of wool socks I’ll sometimes throw on underneath those.
[0:35:03 – 0:35:08] Adam: If I know we have a 350 doubled into a 270 portage or something,
[0:35:08 – 0:35:09] Adam: I’ll wear that.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:16] Adam: But otherwise, I just go those bare feet and then have a nice pair of camp slippers for once you get to camp to relax.
[0:35:16 – 0:35:17] Adam: So that’s part of it.
[0:35:17 – 0:35:19] Adam: That’s the other side of the portage.
[0:35:19 – 0:35:23] Adam: But mainly on the portage, I’m going with those toad chaco.
[0:35:23 – 0:35:29] Adam: That’s my big game changer on the wet season, which is several months of the year.
[0:35:29 – 0:35:32] Adam: But then I like to travel the shoulder seasons.
[0:35:32 – 0:35:32] Adam: We’ve talked about this.
[0:35:33 – 0:35:37] Adam: And I don’t think it’s any surprise to anybody that I roll with the Arctic Sport muck boot.
[0:35:38 – 0:35:43] Adam: It’s a little warm sometimes, but I can also wear them for ice fishing, so they double into that.
[0:35:43 – 0:35:44] Adam: Really nice.
[0:35:45 – 0:35:51] Adam: That’s a dry foot scenario, and you really don’t need to get any deeper than your knees usually, so that’s a really nice option.
[0:35:52 – 0:35:53] Adam: Those things have the grip.
[0:35:53 – 0:35:55] Adam: You can basically walk up and down on…
[0:35:55 – 0:36:15] Adam: wet roots or rocks and you will barely ever slip amazing grip uh keep your foot nice and dry and happy and uh honestly that’s my preferred method but yeah it’s only when those get a little too hot where your feet are just dying then you need to let them loose yeah let the dogs off the leash once in a while you know what i’m saying eric
[0:36:15 – 0:36:16] Erik: I know what you’re saying.
[0:36:17 – 0:36:17] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:18] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:27] Erik: I think the progression of my portaging in general has kind of been like a bell curve where I started going crazy.
[0:36:27 – 0:36:30] Erik: I got to get across in one portage no matter what it takes.
[0:36:30 – 0:36:34] Adam: We didn’t really get to my methods yet, but that’s the backside of it.
[0:36:34 – 0:36:35] Erik: All right.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:35] Erik: Well, I’ll love it.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:37] Erik: Let’s just do my foot then.
[0:36:37 – 0:36:38] Adam: Yeah, let’s get to the feet first.
[0:36:38 – 0:36:53] Erik: I’ve never really generally cared as much, but what I mean by that is I just jump out of the canoe and I’ll get wet up to my waist if it means saving the bottom of the canoe because that’s what’s most important to me.
[0:36:54 – 0:36:58] Erik: Bottom of a Kevlar canoe should only ever touch water and sky, if you ask me.
[0:36:59 – 0:37:09] Erik: And if it means jumping out and standing in waist-deep water for most of the year, that’s what it takes.
[0:37:10 – 0:37:15] Erik: And if I’m day tripping, I go with just straight up Chacos because that’s what I have.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:21] Erik: I know what you’re talking about with the sticks, the debris.
[0:37:21 – 0:37:24] Erik: It gets under there and it definitely drives me crazy.
[0:37:24 – 0:37:28] Erik: But I’m too lazy to try anything else.
[0:37:29 – 0:37:33] Erik: So if it’s just a canoe, I’ll go with just the Chacos.
[0:37:33 – 0:37:43] Erik: But if I’m actually out on a trip, I will wear the A-Solo boots and know that they’re going to be wet for the entire length of the trip.
[0:37:43 – 0:37:45] Erik: And then probably for a few days after I get home.
[0:37:46 – 0:37:51] Adam: Yeah, even if you put those things on boot dryers, the dampness lingers.
[0:37:51 – 0:37:51] Adam: It does.
[0:37:51 – 0:37:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:37:53 – 0:37:57] Erik: This is like June, July, August, most of September.
[0:37:59 – 0:38:10] Erik: I will, if I am hauling gear, because if I’m just walking across a portage with nothing but a canoe or a day pack, I can manage with just the loose Chacos.
[0:38:11 – 0:38:22] Erik: But if I am portaging gear, something with weight, yeah, I need a little bit more support, and that’s when I go with the full-on up-to-the-ankle boot.
[0:38:23 – 0:38:28] Erik: and I don’t mind if it gets wet I know that I have something dry to put on at the end of the day that’s what matters to me
[0:38:29 – 0:38:31] Adam: Yeah, that’s where the camp slipper comes in.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:33] Adam: That’s the universal, I think.
[0:38:33 – 0:38:45] Adam: No matter what your footwear choice is while you’re moving, as long as you have camp slippers ready to go and a nice pair of wool socks for the end of the night, then I think we’re all on the same team.
[0:38:45 – 0:38:46] Adam: It’s on team slipper.
[0:38:46 – 0:38:48] Adam: Something dry to put on at the end of the day.
[0:38:49 – 0:38:51] Adam: Yeah, we can all agree on this, no matter what you’re doing.
[0:38:52 – 0:38:57] Adam: If you don’t have nice camp slippers for the end of the night, then I think that’s where I really have the issue.
[0:38:57 – 0:38:57] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:57 – 0:38:59] Erik: Well, we’ll argue with some people.
[0:38:59 – 0:39:00] Erik: It’s not really a big deal.
[0:39:00 – 0:39:02] Adam: Maybe people are thinking, it’s too much to bring.
[0:39:03 – 0:39:03] Adam: Really, it’s not.
[0:39:03 – 0:39:04] Adam: Just bring them.
[0:39:04 – 0:39:05] Adam: I think it’s one of the best things.
[0:39:05 – 0:39:09] Adam: It’s one of the best things, right up there with a cast iron and a bag of wine.
[0:39:09 – 0:39:12] Adam: A nice pair of comfy camp slippers.
[0:39:12 – 0:39:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:39:13 – 0:39:17] Erik: I think the amount of work that goes into trying to keep your…
[0:39:18 – 0:39:18] Erik: Here we go.
[0:39:18 – 0:39:19] Erik: We’re getting into it.
[0:39:19 – 0:39:21] Erik: Wet foot versus dry foot.
[0:39:21 – 0:39:41] Erik: My opinion on it, if the water is not going to make your foot go numb, the amount of effort that is put into trying to find a rock to get out onto for all parties involved is much more trouble than just having at least one person in the canoe take the bullet and…
[0:39:41 – 0:39:45] Erik: Jump out in ankle, knee-deep water.
[0:39:46 – 0:40:07] Erik: And then the other thing that I really like about getting in the water and being next to the canoe, especially if you’re portaging gear, is the stress on your back, then the amount of torque that it takes to get a canoe or to get a pack out of a canoe when you’re right next to it versus if you’re standing over it on a rock.
[0:40:07 – 0:40:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:08 – 0:40:09] Erik: It’s way easier.
[0:40:10 – 0:40:11] Erik: You can just be that one guy.
[0:40:11 – 0:40:14] Erik: Hey, I’m just that designated light guy for the day.
[0:40:14 – 0:40:19] Erik: And you get in and you unload the packs and you just write it.
[0:40:19 – 0:40:22] Adam: You also get a double lunch portion for that work also.
[0:40:22 – 0:40:25] Adam: Make sure you don’t get shorted on your double lunch ration.
[0:40:25 – 0:40:29] Erik: Make sure you don’t get shorted on your Jarlsberg and salami.
[0:40:30 – 0:40:43] Erik: But you basically just lift it up a little bit and then just twist and you’re over on a rock versus like crouching over and having to lift basically from the ground lower than like where your feet are.
[0:40:43 – 0:40:44] Erik: That’s a good point.
[0:40:44 – 0:40:45] Erik: Up to your back.
[0:40:45 – 0:40:50] Erik: That’s like a lot of twisting, wrenching action that over the course of a day really wears on you.
[0:40:50 – 0:40:59] Erik: So the wetness I think is completely worth the lack of twisting and hefting.
[0:40:59 – 0:41:03] Erik: that you make up for dry feet by having to lift it up off of shore.
[0:41:04 – 0:41:09] Adam: All right, so what about getting everything out of the water and loaded?
[0:41:09 – 0:41:12] Adam: What’s your technique on the portage, though?
[0:41:12 – 0:41:14] Erik: I mean, I don’t mind anymore.
[0:41:14 – 0:41:17] Erik: However many trips it takes me to get across…
[0:41:17 – 0:41:19] Erik: That’s what it takes me to get across.
[0:41:19 – 0:41:20] Erik: It depends on the length of the trip.
[0:41:21 – 0:41:22] Erik: Depends on the kind of trip I’m on.
[0:41:22 – 0:41:24] Adam: So many different factors.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:26] Adam: I don’t think there’s a good answer.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:27] Adam: No trip is the same.
[0:41:28 – 0:41:29] Adam: Right.
[0:41:29 – 0:41:31] Adam: It’s kind of like, what’s the best campsite?
[0:41:31 – 0:41:34] Adam: Whichever one you need for the end of the night or whatever.
[0:41:34 – 0:41:35] Adam: Exactly.
[0:41:35 – 0:41:38] Adam: If you want to stop here for the day, that’s the best campsite for the day.
[0:41:38 – 0:41:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:40 – 0:41:43] Adam: Does it take two times through this portage to make it the best experience on that portage?
[0:41:44 – 0:41:45] Adam: Then that’s the way to do it.
[0:41:45 – 0:41:46] Erik: Yeah, it might.
[0:41:46 – 0:41:52] Adam: You know, you run into people in the park, you’re single portaging, they’re double portaging, or you’re double portaging and you run into somebody single portaging.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:55] Adam: It doesn’t mean that either one’s wrong or right either.
[0:41:56 – 0:41:58] Adam: It’s just whatever’s right for you at the time in your trip too.
[0:41:59 – 0:41:59] Adam: That’s the other thing.
[0:41:59 – 0:42:06] Adam: It’s like if I’m fully loaded, food packs are, you know, beefed out, then…
[0:42:06 – 0:42:07] Adam: Yeah, just double portage.
[0:42:07 – 0:42:08] Adam: Don’t kill yourself over it.
[0:42:08 – 0:42:17] Adam: But if it’s the end of the trip and you’ve got a big long portage to get back to Missing Link, then maybe, you know, just, you know, go for it.
[0:42:17 – 0:42:18] Adam: Take it easy.
[0:42:18 – 0:42:23] Adam: Take a few extra breaks on the portage and you’ll save yourself some time overall but still enjoy the portage.
[0:42:24 – 0:42:28] Adam: What I hate is when you’re on a portage and you see somebody who’s clearly hating the portage.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:29] Adam: Man, that’s tough to see.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:30] Adam: That’s no fun.
[0:42:31 – 0:42:33] Adam: I mean, portages aren’t fun for people when they’re first getting into it.
[0:42:33 – 0:42:38] Adam: I think the longer you’re going in the park, the more you appreciate the portage.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:40] Erik: I remember going by somebody.
[0:42:40 – 0:42:45] Erik: It was just pouring, just absolutely pissing rain.
[0:42:46 – 0:42:49] Erik: And it had been for a few hours.
[0:42:50 – 0:42:59] Erik: And this guy was coming across the porch, just loaded down with a grumman and a pack, just slogging through the mud.
[0:43:00 – 0:43:02] Erik: And it was curse this, curse that.
[0:43:03 – 0:43:03] Erik: What is this?
[0:43:03 – 0:43:04] Erik: Vietnam?
[0:43:05 – 0:43:10] Erik: Because it was raining that hard and it felt like we were just slogging through the jungle.
[0:43:10 – 0:43:15] Erik: I was like, well, I’m assuming he’s probably going to end up with a very distinct memory.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:19] Erik: Might not be the best one, but it will be a distinct one.
[0:43:20 – 0:43:20] Erik: So…
[0:43:22 – 0:43:23] Erik: Along those lines.
[0:43:23 – 0:43:25] Adam: Hopefully he didn’t end up with a dead toe at the end of that.
[0:43:25 – 0:43:26] Erik: Yeah, hopefully.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:28] Erik: I don’t remember what his footwear was.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:36] Erik: But one of the most formidable experiences when it comes to portaging.
[0:43:38 – 0:43:53] Erik: because it so significantly affected the existence of my being, was on my first month up in Quetico with James, good friend James, spent a few weeks up there.
[0:43:54 – 0:43:57] Erik: Before we really knew exactly what we were doing, we’re like, we’re single portaging.
[0:43:57 – 0:43:58] Erik: We’re covering ground.
[0:43:58 – 0:43:59] Erik: We’re doing it this way.
[0:44:00 – 0:44:04] Erik: That’s what’s happening regardless of whether I herniate myself or not.
[0:44:05 – 0:44:17] Erik: And we were on the first portage of… We had made it through a couple of portages with the 90-pound food pack and the Royal X canoe on my back and probably a 90-pound gear pack on his.
[0:44:17 – 0:44:19] Erik: And…
[0:44:20 – 0:44:23] Erik: We were on one of the first portages of the Falls chain.
[0:44:23 – 0:44:26] Erik: This is like angular rock, slight angle.
[0:44:26 – 0:44:27] Adam: Those are really tough.
[0:44:27 – 0:44:30] Erik: Yeah, and the portages themselves are tough for sure.
[0:44:30 – 0:44:34] Adam: Yeah, no super long ones, but they’re all technical.
[0:44:34 – 0:44:35] Erik: They’re very technical.
[0:44:35 – 0:44:39] Erik: Lots of footing, lots of keeping your mind sharp.
[0:44:39 – 0:44:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:40 – 0:44:42] Adam: Don’t let your mind wander.
[0:44:42 – 0:44:42] Adam: No.
[0:44:43 – 0:44:44] Adam: Don’t try and sniff the flowers on those.
[0:44:45 – 0:45:00] Erik: So I got the food pack on and I go to heft up this Rolex canoe and I get about 80% of the way up to my shoulders and kind of lose a step and fall back into the canoe and
[0:45:01 – 0:45:06] Erik: But the canoe was far enough up on my back that it snagged the pack.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:13] Erik: So when it started going back towards the ground, the weight just went with it, which was attached to me.
[0:45:14 – 0:45:19] Erik: So I twisted back, like basically upside down, turtled into this canoe.
[0:45:19 – 0:45:22] Adam: Turtled is the proper descriptor.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:31] Erik: Yeah, but we were on this angular rock, which was right above basically the precipice of falls to start the falls chain.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:35] Erik: And literally the canoe started sliding down the rock.
[0:45:36 – 0:45:39] Erik: And I don’t think I was really that close to going in, but…
[0:45:40 – 0:45:41] Erik: Probably felt like you were.
[0:45:41 – 0:45:46] Erik: I felt like I was like heading over the falls upside down with the 90 pound food pack on my shoulder.
[0:45:46 – 0:45:48] Adam: One of those guys that goes over Niagara in a barrel.
[0:45:48 – 0:45:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:49 – 0:45:52] Erik: But fortunately James was there and he just grabbed it right away.
[0:45:52 – 0:46:00] Erik: But, you know, I don’t think I would have gone in, but it felt like I was like, all right, I’m dying with a 90 pound food pack and a Rolex canoe upside down.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:05] Erik: I’m going to die with my legs towards the sky.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:07] Erik: Like how often does that happen?
[0:46:08 – 0:46:09] Erik: So…
[0:46:09 – 0:46:12] Erik: After that, we took it a little easier.
[0:46:12 – 0:46:13] Erik: We double portaged.
[0:46:13 – 0:46:19] Erik: Single portage, maybe some shorter ones, but the doubles definitely took advantage of that on some longer ones.
[0:46:20 – 0:46:22] Adam: Yeah, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with doubling.
[0:46:23 – 0:46:23] Erik: No, not at all.
[0:46:23 – 0:46:24] Adam: At all.
[0:46:24 – 0:46:26] Erik: You get that little bit of an opportunity to walk.
[0:46:26 – 0:46:29] Adam: I like walking all the way back with nothing.
[0:46:29 – 0:46:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:29 – 0:46:30] Adam: You just get to appreciate the portage.
[0:46:31 – 0:46:32] Adam: It’s a cool walk in the woods.
[0:46:32 – 0:46:33] Adam: See the woods.
[0:46:33 – 0:46:33] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:34] Erik: Look for things.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:35] Erik: See what you missed.
[0:46:36 – 0:46:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:37 – 0:47:02] Adam: um you know when you’re on a portage you know you said before like you didn’t notice what that guy was wearing but nowadays are you scoping people’s footwear choices possibly i mean i’m always looking like hey what kind of boat was that i pay a little more attention to the details these days now that i like have a little more of a catalog to work with in my own mind right so are you i know like we ran into some guys on the tuscarora porridge and
[0:47:02 – 0:47:04] Adam: They were like, what are all these muck boots?
[0:47:04 – 0:47:05] Adam: They’re pretty, pretty nice looking.
[0:47:05 – 0:47:06] Adam: How are they?
[0:47:06 – 0:47:10] Adam: They got good grip and kind of interrogating us about our boots.
[0:47:10 – 0:47:11] Adam: And we’re like, no, we love them.
[0:47:11 – 0:47:12] Adam: They’re great.
[0:47:12 – 0:47:13] Adam: I think we will try them out then.
[0:47:13 – 0:47:22] Adam: So like they were looking and I’ve definitely noticed that I’m definitely a little more aware of what people are wearing and sporting in the park these days.
[0:47:23 – 0:47:28] Erik: I guess I notice it when it’s more of the circus.
[0:47:28 – 0:47:30] Adam: Like it’s when an outlier happens.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:30] Adam: Yeah.
[0:47:31 – 0:47:43] Adam: You don’t notice when somebody’s doing it properly, but when you see somebody walk by with a gallon jug of Kool-Aid wearing high tops, you’re like, hey, that’s not really the best way you could do that.
[0:47:43 – 0:47:44] Adam: Yeah.
[0:47:44 – 0:47:45] Erik: I mean, I think it’s… Nice job.
[0:47:46 – 0:47:47] Erik: Yeah, I don’t… Be your own person.
[0:47:47 – 0:47:58] Erik: I don’t overly inspect otherwise, but, yeah, if you go portaging by with two people under a canoe and you both… All of your arms are, like, straight up in the air, like you’re out of a Leinenkugel’s ad.
[0:47:59 – 0:48:00] Erik: Yeah, I’ll remember that.
[0:48:00 – 0:48:09] Erik: But, no, I don’t, like, inspect the footwear or, you know, the efficiency, but… No, it is interesting that, you know…
[0:48:10 – 0:48:34] Erik: just broad spectrum it is one of the things that i actually do really like about just taking trips out into the woods even if it’s just a day trip just to kind of see how other people are doing it yeah you know like we talk like i think we probably are everybody just assumes that we hate seeing other people out there and it’s like don’t bother us like i actually really like it when i see people and i was like oh what are they doing there what is that interesting
[0:48:34 – 0:48:36] Erik: I’ve never even considered that.
[0:48:36 – 0:48:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:36 – 0:48:39] Adam: I’m trying to be more observant, but like, yeah, especially on a portage.
[0:48:39 – 0:48:41] Adam: And we’ve said this before too.
[0:48:41 – 0:48:46] Adam: Like if you run into somebody on your portage, you’re, you’re, um, brothers or sisters in the portage then.
[0:48:46 – 0:48:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:46 – 0:48:47] Erik: Um, brothers in arms.
[0:48:47 – 0:48:49] Adam: You’re a family in this portage now.
[0:48:50 – 0:48:51] Adam: Everybody’s in together.
[0:48:51 – 0:48:53] Adam: So like you can, that’s a time to share, share a little camaraderie.
[0:48:54 – 0:48:54] Erik: For sure.
[0:48:54 – 0:48:56] Adam: Perhaps a sip of wine or, uh.
[0:48:57 – 0:48:59] Adam: Hey, what kind of sandals are those?
[0:48:59 – 0:49:00] Adam: I’ve not seen this before.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:01] Adam: What is that, a water shoe?
[0:49:02 – 0:49:02] Adam: Interesting.
[0:49:03 – 0:49:04] Erik: Maybe slap the bag.
[0:49:04 – 0:49:05] Adam: You can always learn something.
[0:49:05 – 0:49:06] Adam: That’s the thing.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:12] Adam: I feel like people, when they get into their style of portage and what they like to wear on a portage, they’re like, this is the best way to do it.
[0:49:13 – 0:49:14] Adam: There’s no other way to go.
[0:49:14 – 0:49:16] Adam: Like, no, there’s like a hundreds of ways to go.
[0:49:17 – 0:49:18] Adam: None of them are wrong.
[0:49:19 – 0:49:20] Adam: And that’s the beauty of it.
[0:49:20 – 0:49:21] Adam: It’s whatever’s right for you.
[0:49:22 – 0:49:25] Adam: And you know, we can’t be afraid to try new things.
[0:49:25 – 0:49:29] Adam: So like my, my toad Chacos, Ooh boy, they’re coming to the end of their life.
[0:49:30 – 0:49:35] Adam: I honestly thought I maybe had thrown them away during the move, but then I was unpacking a bin and there they were.
[0:49:35 – 0:49:36] Adam: It’s like, okay,
[0:49:36 – 0:49:51] Adam: They’re still, yeah, they’re looking a little rough, but they got a few more trips in them, but I’m certainly at the point where I need to replace those and not necessarily, I’ve really enjoyed them, but I could go a different route for that old wet foot option.
[0:49:51 – 0:49:54] Adam: As long as it’s got some sort of toe coverage for me, that’s the number one, but…
[0:49:55 – 0:49:59] Adam: I’m not loyal to like I got to get more Chacos after these die out.
[0:49:59 – 0:50:00] Adam: So that’s the thing.
[0:50:00 – 0:50:08] Adam: It’s like, well, there’s always something in the gear pile that I’m looking to upgrade or thinking a year down the road in the capital budget.
[0:50:09 – 0:50:13] Adam: I got to get some sort of new water, wet foot option for portagings.
[0:50:13 – 0:50:14] Erik: As long as it keeps you from getting a dead toe.
[0:50:14 – 0:50:16] Erik: I’m always out there looking for a new thing.
[0:50:16 – 0:50:18] Adam: Like, what are people using?
[0:50:18 – 0:50:27] Adam: So we kind of put the question to our friends out there on the social media and at the Reddit, and they had some interesting things to say.
[0:50:27 – 0:50:28] Adam: Should we get to it?
[0:50:29 – 0:50:29] Adam: Yes, sir.
[0:50:30 – 0:50:30] Erik: Hashtag…
[0:50:32 – 0:50:34] Erik: Printed Reddit.
[0:50:36 – 0:50:37] Adam: Oh, great.
[0:50:38 – 0:50:55] Adam: printed coming off fresh off the printer still hot watch that ink our bwca smoke chaser seven points all right we got seven points top response here that’s pretty good
[0:50:56 – 0:51:00] Adam: Dry portage through the first few portages because I still have hope and optimism.
[0:51:01 – 0:51:03] Adam: Eventually that goes away, though, and it’s wet booting from there.
[0:51:04 – 0:51:05] Adam: Never sandals.
[0:51:05 – 0:51:06] Adam: Always made ankle boots.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:09] Adam: Side note, learn portage etiquette, people.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:12] Adam: Don’t take up the whole landing with your gear when you go back for your second load.
[0:51:13 – 0:51:18] Adam: Don’t assume anything you find at one end of the portage is truly abandoned unless you’ve been to both ends of the portage.
[0:51:18 – 0:51:20] Adam: and see no one is there.
[0:51:20 – 0:51:28] Adam: And maybe don’t take anything you find there regardless unless you’re heading out and it’s been there for a while and you can leave it with the outfit or a ranger station or the entry point.
[0:51:29 – 0:51:32] Adam: Not that I have any history with being on the wrong end of this issue, of course.
[0:51:33 – 0:51:34] Adam: Thank you for the comments.
[0:51:35 – 0:51:44] Erik: Yeah, we won’t name any names, but we were with somebody one time who saw some rain gear that he thought he wanted to make his own.
[0:51:44 – 0:51:45] Erik: Looks like a nice rain gear.
[0:51:45 – 0:51:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:53] Erik: Rem3Sam just got back from a trip on Saturday.
[0:51:55 – 0:51:58] Erik: Finally nailed the details for portaging at maximum efficiency.
[0:51:58 – 0:51:59] Erik: Here we go.
[0:51:59 – 0:52:00] Adam: Oh, the formula.
[0:52:01 – 0:52:02] Erik: Here it comes, people.
[0:52:02 – 0:52:03] Erik: The formula.
[0:52:03 – 0:52:07] Erik: Everything goes into the Duluth packs while traveling two per canoe.
[0:52:08 – 0:52:14] Erik: The only other loose items are paddles, fishing rod, and map case, which the person without the canoe carries in hand.
[0:52:15 – 0:52:16] Erik: Always single portage.
[0:52:17 – 0:52:18] Erik: Wet foot to save wear on the boat.
[0:52:19 – 0:52:19] Erik: There you go.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:22] Erik: I just figured out my ideal portage shoe.
[0:52:23 – 0:52:27] Erik: Rubber, non-studded sole, fly-fishing wading boots.
[0:52:28 – 0:52:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:52:29 – 0:52:29] Erik: There you go.
[0:52:29 – 0:52:30] Erik: That sounds nice.
[0:52:30 – 0:52:48] Erik: Worn with neoprene socks with gravel guards, they offer most of the arch and ankle support of traditional hiking boots, but are made to be worn in water without superb draining, non-absorbent materials, and the soles that are designed for traction on slippery river rocks.
[0:52:49 – 0:52:52] Erik: I pack a pair of light shoes or sandals for camp.
[0:52:53 – 0:52:55] Erik: With this setup, portages just fly by.
[0:52:56 – 0:53:00] Erik: No more than a minute or two to load or unload and be back on the water paddling.
[0:53:01 – 0:53:01] Erik: Rem.
[0:53:02 – 0:53:02] Erik: Three.
[0:53:02 – 0:53:02] Erik: Sam.
[0:53:03 – 0:53:08] Erik: Sounds like he’s got it figured out with even maybe a thing or two that I could use.
[0:53:09 – 0:53:12] Adam: Waiting shoes and then he’s got sandals for his camp slippers.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:12] Adam: Yes.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:14] Erik: The dry foot at night.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:25] Erik: I do think we didn’t address this in the previous segment, but yeah, having as few items in your hands going across portages, get everything into a pack.
[0:53:25 – 0:53:29] Adam: Honestly, and then even nowadays, I’m like, do we really need fishing gear?
[0:53:29 – 0:53:30] Adam: Yeah, right.
[0:53:30 – 0:53:31] Adam: It’s just extra crap to carry.
[0:53:32 – 0:53:34] Adam: Dude, 42, got six points.
[0:53:34 – 0:53:35] Erik: Friend of the show.
[0:53:35 – 0:53:36] Adam: Friend of the show.
[0:53:37 – 0:53:41] Adam: Dry boots are almost as bad as lily dippers and portage loiterers.
[0:53:41 – 0:53:42] Erik: Shots fired.
[0:53:42 – 0:53:43] SPEAKER_00: Hey, hey, hey, hey.
[0:53:43 – 0:53:44] SPEAKER_00: There it is, first shots.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:49] Adam: On a related subject, has anyone tried out any of the plethora of modern waterproof socks?
[0:53:50 – 0:53:50] Adam: I have not.
[0:53:51 – 0:53:52] Adam: I have not tried any waterproof socks.
[0:53:52 – 0:53:53] Adam: Neither have I.
[0:53:54 – 0:53:59] Adam: The neoprene socks, the previous Reds… Rem… You got it.
[0:53:59 – 0:54:03] Adam: The previous commentary, Rem, had a neoprene sock.
[0:54:03 – 0:54:05] Adam: I’m not sure that’s a waterproof sock, though.
[0:54:05 – 0:54:07] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know what waterproof sock means.
[0:54:07 – 0:54:08] Erik: Like, is it neoprene or…
[0:54:09 – 0:54:10] Adam: I think that’s what it means.
[0:54:11 – 0:54:11] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:11 – 0:54:15] Erik: It has to be what it means, because I can’t imagine what a waterproof sock would be, like really tight on the top.
[0:54:16 – 0:54:17] Erik: Yeah, probably.
[0:54:17 – 0:54:18] Adam: I’m going to take two.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:19] Adam: That was a shorty.
[0:54:19 – 0:54:20] Erik: Go ahead.
[0:54:20 – 0:54:25] Adam: VLGoodVeen6 with four points, wet foot, single portage.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:26] Adam: Hardcore.
[0:54:27 – 0:54:35] Adam: We wear military-style jungle boots with drains and triple stitching for the portages, but I wear keen, thick-soled sandals around camp.
[0:54:35 – 0:54:36] Adam: They cover my toes well.
[0:54:36 – 0:54:37] Adam: Oh, important.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:44] Adam: We wear smart wool socks to keep our feet warmer in cold water, but they also dry quickly once wrung out.
[0:54:45 – 0:54:48] Adam: We’ve got our load and unload at portages down to a couple minutes.
[0:54:48 – 0:54:50] Adam: No loitering for us.
[0:54:50 – 0:54:52] Adam: The less you stand around, the less the mosquitoes eat.
[0:54:53 – 0:54:55] Adam: My husband had me at this.
[0:54:55 – 0:55:03] Adam: For larger groups, make sure everyone has and knows their job at a portage well before they get there, and nobody stands around trying to figure out who’s doing what.
[0:55:04 – 0:55:06] Adam: Yeah, organization, communication.
[0:55:07 – 0:55:12] Erik: At the very least, it should be figured out within one or two portages.
[0:55:12 – 0:55:16] Adam: Right, kind of get a pattern or whatnot.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:17] Erik: Stick to it.
[0:55:17 – 0:55:18] Erik: Get the little line going.
[0:55:19 – 0:55:20] Adam: Hold on, we have one more line here.
[0:55:20 – 0:55:24] Erik: Uh-oh, that’s the pitfalls of printed Reddit.
[0:55:27 – 0:55:29] Adam: Let me switch to page two.
[0:55:29 – 0:55:33] Adam: I’m also adding that all gear should go straight from the canoe to a person.
[0:55:33 – 0:55:36] Adam: Don’t take it out of the canoe and put it on shore if you can help it.
[0:55:37 – 0:55:38] Erik: No piling.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:38] Erik: Efficiency.
[0:55:39 – 0:55:44] Erik: That’s why the man in the water just loading right up onto somebody’s shoulders is key.
[0:55:45 – 0:55:50] Adam: Yeah, like you can enjoy the portage and like double portage if you want and take it all in.
[0:55:51 – 0:55:56] Adam: But then when you’re actually doing the stuff to be efficient, you can also be efficient and take it all in.
[0:55:56 – 0:55:57] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:57 – 0:55:58] Adam: I like it.
[0:55:58 – 0:55:59] Adam: All right.
[0:56:00 – 0:56:01] Adam: Thank you for those comments.
[0:56:03 – 0:56:06] Erik: Reddit0224, the classic burner account.
[0:56:07 – 0:56:07] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:56:08 – 0:56:09] Erik: I’ve always been a wet footer.
[0:56:10 – 0:56:18] Erik: I try to save wear and tear on the canoes, and most portages are inconvenient to try to find a dry landing area all the time without beating up the canoes.
[0:56:19 – 0:56:25] Erik: I’ve also been using a pair of Cabela’s high-top water boots that I found in the clearance section several years ago.
[0:56:25 – 0:56:26] Adam: Bargain bin.
[0:56:27 – 0:56:27] Adam: Doo-doo-doo-doo.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:31] Adam: I may need to rethink my shoe options for next year.
[0:56:31 – 0:56:32] Erik: Uh-oh.
[0:56:32 – 0:56:35] Erik: With age, I think my feet are swelling during the day.
[0:56:35 – 0:56:39] Erik: As a result, my boots are more snug than they used to be.
[0:56:40 – 0:56:48] Erik: So following my aquatic out trip in early June this year, I am still in the process of either losing or trying to save the toenail on my big right toe.
[0:56:48 – 0:56:50] Erik: Hey, big toe.
[0:56:50 – 0:56:52] Adam: Hey, welcome to the dead toe club.
[0:56:52 – 0:56:53] Adam: There’s no shame, sir or ma’am.
[0:56:54 – 0:56:54] Adam: No shame.
[0:56:54 – 0:56:56] Adam: Friend, there’s no shame, friend.
[0:56:57 – 0:56:58] Adam: You just let that toe be that toe.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:01] Erik: Yep.
[0:57:01 – 0:57:03] Adam: He or she does get to- Toes are nasty, though.
[0:57:03 – 0:57:04] Adam: I’m going to go on the record and just say it.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:05] Adam: Toes are nasty.
[0:57:05 – 0:57:06] Erik: Yep.
[0:57:06 – 0:57:08] Erik: Episode title of the week, toes are nasty.
[0:57:09 – 0:57:17] Erik: But this person does get to one of the biggest downfalls of the wet boot method.
[0:57:17 – 0:57:24] Erik: Due to my feet being wet and cramped in the boots all week, my toenails were practically falling off by the end of the trip.
[0:57:25 – 0:57:29] Erik: It is still hanging in there, but not sure if it will decide to fall off or reattach.
[0:57:30 – 0:57:32] Erik: Fortunately, it is not painful or infected.
[0:57:32 – 0:57:35] Adam: If you’re even asking the question, you know the answer.
[0:57:35 – 0:57:37] Erik: Well, let us know how that toenail does.
[0:57:37 – 0:57:39] Adam: Just get out the vice grip and pull that thing off.
[0:57:40 – 0:57:40] Adam: Oh, my.
[0:57:40 – 0:57:41] Adam: Start fresh.
[0:57:41 – 0:57:43] Adam: Tabula rasa, baby.
[0:57:43 – 0:57:47] Erik: Unfortunately, this year we were able to single portage all of the portages.
[0:57:47 – 0:57:50] Erik: We had six people, two three-person canoes, if the numbers work out.
[0:57:51 – 0:57:58] Erik: I’ve been trying to reserve Souris River, Quetico 18.5s from our outfitter, Voyager Wilderness Program.
[0:57:59 – 0:58:01] Erik: You can make nice progress with three paddlers.
[0:58:01 – 0:58:02] Erik: Yes, you can.
[0:58:02 – 0:58:06] Erik: You can really burn down the lakes with three paddles in the water.
[0:58:06 – 0:58:10] Erik: The boats can hold a ton of gear, and it is nice to have less canoes to portage.
[0:58:11 – 0:58:11] Adam: Yeah.
[0:58:12 – 0:58:13] Adam: Lots of good information there.
[0:58:13 – 0:58:18] Erik: We will definitely get to canoe slash paddling methods.
[0:58:18 – 0:58:21] Erik: But, yeah, the three paddles in the water, you can really haul.
[0:58:21 – 0:58:22] Erik: Moving.
[0:58:22 – 0:58:23] Erik: You’re just cooking.
[0:58:25 – 0:58:26] Adam: Alien Mansion.
[0:58:26 – 0:58:30] Adam: Our friend Alien Mansion with a name on the weak username.
[0:58:30 – 0:58:31] Erik: I want to be that person’s friend.
[0:58:32 – 0:58:32] Adam: Three points.
[0:58:33 – 0:58:36] Adam: Last year I got some Astral Razzler kayaking shoes.
[0:58:37 – 0:58:40] Adam: They drain dry fast, have really good grip on wet rocks.
[0:58:41 – 0:58:43] Adam: They also have pretty good ankle support.
[0:58:43 – 0:58:45] Adam: 100% game changer for me.
[0:58:47 – 0:58:53] Adam: I always go in the summer, and when you’re carrying a canoe and a pack, there’s no use in even trying to keep your feet dry.
[0:58:53 – 0:58:56] Adam: Also, single portage and pack light.
[0:58:56 – 0:59:00] Adam: Ounces equals pounds, and pounds equals pains.
[0:59:00 – 0:59:00] SPEAKER_00: Boom.
[0:59:01 – 0:59:02] Adam: We got a link in there.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:03] Adam: Hashtag.
[0:59:04 – 0:59:06] Adam: This is very nicely written.
[0:59:06 – 0:59:08] Adam: Very clean writing there.
[0:59:08 – 0:59:09] Adam: Good job, Alien Mansion.
[0:59:09 – 0:59:10] Adam: Yeah, nice job.
[0:59:10 – 0:59:15] Adam: You got three points from the Reddit, but I wish I could have added a point or two to that one.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:16] Erik: You can still upvote that on the paper.
[0:59:17 – 0:59:18] Erik: Hold on.
[0:59:20 – 0:59:21] Adam: Double points.
[0:59:22 – 0:59:24] Adam: Alien Mansion just got five points.
[0:59:24 – 0:59:24] Adam: Good response.
[0:59:25 – 0:59:26] Adam: Thank you for the response.
[0:59:27 – 0:59:28] Adam: Pounds equals pains.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:32] Erik: Zagbogs try to dry foot it.
[0:59:33 – 0:59:37] Erik: I wear non-waterproof shoes because they seem to dry out faster.
[0:59:37 – 0:59:45] Erik: Long portages are broken up by sending half the crew straight through with canoes and the second half drops gear about halfway.
[0:59:46 – 0:59:50] Erik: First group picks up gear on the way back while second goes back for the rest.
[0:59:50 – 0:59:52] SPEAKER_00: The leapfrog or whatever, the one and a half.
[0:59:53 – 0:59:53] SPEAKER_00: I like this.
[0:59:53 – 0:59:55] Erik: That’s the trip to two lengths instead of three.
[0:59:55 – 0:59:59] Erik: Yeah, if you have enough people, that definitely makes sense to do that.
[0:59:59 – 1:00:00] Erik: That is a great idea.
[1:00:02 – 1:00:04] Erik: Somebody commented, this is a great idea.
[1:00:04 – 1:00:05] Erik: Agreed.
[1:00:05 – 1:00:06] Erik: Great idea.
[1:00:06 – 1:00:07] Adam: Absolutely.
[1:00:07 – 1:00:08] Adam: I’ve seen it employed.
[1:00:09 – 1:00:15] Adam: Yeah, I’ve never really been in big enough groups to try it, I guess, but not recently.
[1:00:15 – 1:00:15] Adam: No.
[1:00:15 – 1:00:18] Adam: Since it’s come into my realm of knowledge.
[1:00:18 – 1:00:21] Adam: But it’s definitely something I’ve filed away, the old one and a half.
[1:00:21 – 1:00:22] Adam: Realm of knowledge.
[1:00:24 – 1:00:28] Adam: Field kit, two points, always wet.
[1:00:28 – 1:00:29] Adam: I wear Chacos.
[1:00:29 – 1:00:35] Adam: My partner wears NRS Desperado Wet Shoe, which is like a neoprene booty with a nice grippy sole.
[1:00:36 – 1:00:38] Adam: She gets cold feet, so this helps them stay warm.
[1:00:39 – 1:00:44] Adam: Only negative for the Chaco so far is that one cut my foot while kneeling and paddling.
[1:00:45 – 1:00:47] Adam: Didn’t notice it until we got to our site and climbed out.
[1:00:47 – 1:00:49] Adam: Looked like a lot of blood mixed with water in the canoe.
[1:00:49 – 1:00:52] Adam: That’s never a good sign.
[1:00:52 – 1:00:59] Adam: If it’s a wet buggy portage, I like to slather mud on my feet and ankles at the beginning to suppress the flies and mosquito bites.
[1:01:00 – 1:01:02] Adam: Mud comes off when I wet foot on the other side.
[1:01:02 – 1:01:04] Adam: We always single portage.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:06] Adam: I’m not opposed to double portaging.
[1:01:06 – 1:01:08] Adam: Might have to try it out sometime.
[1:01:08 – 1:01:11] Adam: Yeah, well, it’s, you know, keep an open mind.
[1:01:11 – 1:01:20] Adam: But if you’ve got the fitness to single portage and you’ve got your muddy mosquito repellent on your ankles, just go for it, I think.
[1:01:20 – 1:01:26] Adam: If I can get through, if I feel like I can get through without zapping myself, then I will single portage.
[1:01:26 – 1:01:35] Adam: But if I’m in a state where I know it’s a lot of weight and I’m just not right for it, then whatever, double portage or do the one and a half.
[1:01:35 – 1:01:36] Adam: I love it.
[1:01:37 – 1:01:39] Adam: We got some responses on this one.
[1:01:39 – 1:01:39] Adam: Uh-oh.
[1:01:41 – 1:01:42] Adam: Kitsune.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:44] Adam: Thank you.
[1:01:44 – 1:01:49] Adam: I’m doing a first trip in August and trying to figure out if Chacos will be good enough on the shoe side.
[1:01:49 – 1:01:53] Adam: Pretty active in them and mountain trails down here in the south, but wasn’t sure.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:57] Adam: And a response to the response, you should do fine in the Chacos.
[1:01:57 – 1:01:58] Adam: Have a good first trip.
[1:02:00 – 1:02:02] Adam: And then a response to that response.
[1:02:02 – 1:02:04] Adam: Triplicate response.
[1:02:04 – 1:02:09] Adam: Chacos are open-toed, though, so be careful not to slip and snap a toe on a rock.
[1:02:09 – 1:02:09] Adam: Whoa!
[1:02:09 – 1:02:10] Erik: Snap a toe.
[1:02:11 – 1:02:15] Adam: I’ve used the term snap a twig before, but never snap a toe.
[1:02:15 – 1:02:18] Erik: Chacos equals toe snappers.
[1:02:18 – 1:02:22] Adam: Well, like I said, I have toe-guarded chacos.
[1:02:22 – 1:02:25] Erik: You have killed a toe in the open-toed style.
[1:02:25 – 1:02:27] Adam: But not when I was wearing my toe-guard chacos.
[1:02:27 – 1:02:28] Adam: No.
[1:02:28 – 1:02:30] Adam: But yes, it was because of an open-toed.
[1:02:31 – 1:02:34] Adam: Maybe that’s the proper term for the old dead toe is you snapped a toe.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:35] Adam: Yep.
[1:02:36 – 1:02:36] Adam: Blessed day.
[1:02:36 – 1:02:40] Erik: Well, toe snapper is the next comment from Hopalicious.
[1:02:42 – 1:02:44] Erik: I always try to get my feet wet right away.
[1:02:44 – 1:02:47] Erik: Failed attempts to stay dry make for a long day.
[1:02:48 – 1:02:52] Erik: I wear Keen Newport H2 sandals, so I never care if they get wet.
[1:02:52 – 1:02:56] Erik: They drain quickly and protect my toes from mossy rock destruction.
[1:02:57 – 1:03:00] Erik: My last trip was to Brule.
[1:03:00 – 1:03:02] Erik: Brule.
[1:03:03 – 1:03:04] Erik: And we didn’t portage all.
[1:03:05 – 1:03:05] Erik: Yep, that’s Brule.
[1:03:06 – 1:03:08] Erik: So I don’t have much to add to that.
[1:03:08 – 1:03:11] Erik: Just grab as much as you can and walk.
[1:03:12 – 1:03:16] Erik: As long as everyone literally and figuratively carries their weight, it will work out.
[1:03:17 – 1:03:17] Erik: Here we go.
[1:03:18 – 1:03:19] Erik: You ready for this pro tip?
[1:03:19 – 1:03:20] Adam: Yeah, I love it.
[1:03:20 – 1:03:21] Adam: I want a pro tip.
[1:03:21 – 1:03:23] Erik: Don’t agree to carry someone else’s kayak.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:25] Erik: Those are heavy.
[1:03:26 – 1:03:27] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:27 – 1:03:30] Erik: I think we’ve heard that from Hopalicious before.
[1:03:30 – 1:03:32] Adam: It must have been a very hellish experience.
[1:03:32 – 1:03:33] Adam: Common sense.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:34] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:34 – 1:03:37] Adam: Be polite, but not too polite.
[1:03:41 – 1:03:43] Adam: Our good friend Farged.
[1:03:44 – 1:03:45] Adam: Good friend Farged.
[1:03:45 – 1:03:48] Adam: That’s how our friend says the name.
[1:03:48 – 1:03:49] Adam: Two points.
[1:03:50 – 1:03:50] Adam: Wet foot.
[1:03:51 – 1:03:58] Adam: We always wear smart wool socks and some form of quick dry aqua shoes, closed-toed sandals, and just get wet from the start.
[1:03:59 – 1:04:00] Adam: Easier and less frustrating.
[1:04:00 – 1:04:04] Adam: Plus, some of the landings on the Gumblin side are near impossible to keep your feet dry anyways.
[1:04:05 – 1:04:08] Adam: Hate to sacrifice the Kevlar canoe to the rocks to keep the feet dry.
[1:04:08 – 1:04:13] Adam: We generally double portage, but we aren’t opposed to doubling up on packs and making it a single.
[1:04:14 – 1:04:15] Adam: I’ll also agree with everyone else.
[1:04:15 – 1:04:17] Adam: Keep the portages clear.
[1:04:17 – 1:04:23] Adam: I was coming out of Caribou mid-June this year, and somebody literally wedged their canoe totally across the portage.
[1:04:23 – 1:04:24] Adam: and took their stuff across.
[1:04:24 – 1:04:26] Adam: No consideration for anyone else.
[1:04:27 – 1:04:28] Adam: Not cool.
[1:04:29 – 1:04:30] Adam: Love the podcast, though.
[1:04:30 – 1:04:31] Adam: Thanks.
[1:04:32 – 1:04:32] Adam: Yeah.
[1:04:32 – 1:04:35] Adam: We try and be cool and promote cool ethic.
[1:04:36 – 1:04:37] Erik: That was us on the portage, though.
[1:04:37 – 1:04:37] Adam: That was us.
[1:04:37 – 1:04:38] Adam: Sorry about that.
[1:04:38 – 1:04:39] Adam: We were just, you know…
[1:04:39 – 1:04:41] Erik: Going into Caribou for some walleyes.
[1:04:44 – 1:04:46] Adam: You got the end of the printed Reddit?
[1:04:46 – 1:04:52] Erik: I got two of the end of printed Reddit, and then we will move on to the hashtag printed Facebook.
[1:04:52 – 1:04:53] Erik: Oh, I’m getting a look at this.
[1:04:54 – 1:04:56] Erik: Yeah, you proofread and pre-read.
[1:04:56 – 1:04:59] Erik: I’m going to finish up with Rojo Ryder.
[1:04:59 – 1:04:59] Adam: Hey, friend of the show.
[1:05:00 – 1:05:00] Erik: Yes.
[1:05:00 – 1:05:04] Erik: Today I learned I need to reconsider how I portage.
[1:05:05 – 1:05:06] Adam: Nah.
[1:05:06 – 1:05:09] Erik: And then he links to some light weighters.
[1:05:09 – 1:05:09] Erik: Yes.
[1:05:10 – 1:05:11] Erik: Everyday Mike.
[1:05:13 – 1:05:14] Erik: I wear my knee-high muck boots.
[1:05:15 – 1:05:20] Erik: I always sit in the front of the canoe, so it’s easy for me to pull us out and then hop in.
[1:05:21 – 1:05:25] Erik: If the portage has water or mud, I don’t have to hop around either.
[1:05:25 – 1:05:26] Erik: I just go through it.
[1:05:27 – 1:05:30] Erik: The downside is that after a day of portaging and canoeing, my feet stink.
[1:05:30 – 1:05:31] Erik: Yeah, whatever.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:32] Erik: You’re camping.
[1:05:32 – 1:05:33] Erik: So what?
[1:05:33 – 1:05:39] Erik: For portaging, we always single strap oars, poles, and life jackets of the canoes and send those guys first.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:43] Erik: We have an aluminum canoe in the group, so he gets a head start.
[1:05:43 – 1:05:44] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:44 – 1:05:47] Erik: The guys with the packs get one on their back and one on the front.
[1:05:48 – 1:05:49] Erik: I don’t know about that.
[1:05:50 – 1:05:50] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:50 – 1:06:11] Erik: i’ll say this for the i’m sorry we could probably double but the one time when we got slowed down by the wind and didn’t hit our base camp late lake until the sun was down i was glad we singled yeah the front and back portaging thing is kind of crazy to me i see people doing it and it’s like it kind of stresses me out because i’ve tried it and it really stressed me out i know
[1:06:11 – 1:06:12] Adam: I don’t like the front.
[1:06:12 – 1:06:19] Adam: I don’t mind the weight, but if there’s a way to put back and back on, because I don’t like having one in front of my feet if I can’t see my feet.
[1:06:19 – 1:06:19] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:19 – 1:06:20] Adam: We need to bring back.
[1:06:20 – 1:06:21] Adam: I’m unsure.
[1:06:21 – 1:06:21] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:21 – 1:06:23] Erik: Bring back the tump line.
[1:06:24 – 1:06:25] Erik: First of all, bring back the tump line.
[1:06:25 – 1:06:26] Adam: Yeah.
[1:06:26 – 1:06:29] Adam: We should rename this podcast from Tumble Home to Tump Line.
[1:06:29 – 1:06:30] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:31 – 1:06:31] Adam: I would do.
[1:06:31 – 1:06:33] Adam: Tump Line, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[1:06:34 – 1:06:35] Adam: Buttless chaps.
[1:06:35 – 1:06:37] Erik: Buttless chaps and tump lines.
[1:06:37 – 1:06:41] Erik: I would do two packs on my back with a tump line before I put one in the front.
[1:06:42 – 1:06:42] Adam: Yeah.
[1:06:43 – 1:06:45] Adam: I just have to say this about with the muck boots, too.
[1:06:45 – 1:06:47] Adam: Like, I like both.
[1:06:47 – 1:06:52] Adam: Like, you can either have a wet foot chaco scenario or a water shoe or what have you, a kayak shoe.
[1:06:52 – 1:06:54] Adam: Or you go with the muck boots and you stay dry.
[1:06:54 – 1:07:03] Adam: But when this last commentator just brought this up, when you’re actually on the portage and you got a nasty looking mud puddle coming up ahead of you and you have a big pack on and a canoe.
[1:07:03 – 1:07:03] Erik: Yeah.
[1:07:04 – 1:07:06] Adam: You can just go right through that thing with the muck boots.
[1:07:06 – 1:07:09] Adam: Even with the sandals, you kind of got to tiptoe through it a little bit.
[1:07:10 – 1:07:11] Adam: With muck boots, you are a tank.
[1:07:12 – 1:07:15] Adam: You are a personal tank, and you can just destroy partridges.
[1:07:16 – 1:07:17] Adam: Lay them in your wake.
[1:07:18 – 1:07:20] Adam: Partridges, you just eat them up, and you spit them out the back.
[1:07:20 – 1:07:24] Erik: Yeah, I love in the spring and the fall with the muck boots on, you don’t even think about it.
[1:07:24 – 1:07:29] Adam: You see the little footsteps go around the side or trying to jump from log to log, and you’re like, whatever.
[1:07:29 – 1:07:31] Adam: I’m going right through this puddle.
[1:07:31 – 1:07:32] Adam: Muck boots.
[1:07:32 – 1:07:37] Adam: There’s the advantage for muck boots, but if it’s hot, oh boy, oh boy, it’s too hot.
[1:07:37 – 1:07:51] Erik: So, all right, this is one thing I’ve heard about the muck boots, which I don’t think we’ll necessarily have the time to test in the field to be able to add to this episode, but maybe we will for maybe the next one or the one after.
[1:07:51 – 1:08:00] Erik: But I have heard of people that have been concerned about wearing muck boots in the boat because if you capsize, they’re afraid that they will –
[1:08:01 – 1:08:01] Adam: Sure.
[1:08:01 – 1:08:03] Adam: Severely hampered.
[1:08:03 – 1:08:10] Adam: Usually if I’m wearing them, they’re tight enough at the top and I’m kind of like tucked into them a little bit where I really doubt they’d fill up instantly either.
[1:08:10 – 1:08:16] Erik: I’ve heard that people are concerned that they will fill up and then cause you to sink, which I don’t think that that’s possible.
[1:08:16 – 1:08:16] Erik: No way.
[1:08:16 – 1:08:21] Erik: But I definitely feel like they would be very hard to swim in.
[1:08:22 – 1:08:29] Erik: So maybe we can promise in the July months we’ll pull out the field recorder.
[1:08:29 – 1:08:32] Adam: We’ll jump off the Clearwater dock wearing muck boots and see what happens.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:38] Erik: Yeah, no, like we should just get in a canoe and purposely flip it with muck boots on and see how we manage.
[1:08:38 – 1:08:41] Adam: Do you have the field audio recorder waterproof?
[1:08:41 – 1:08:42] Erik: No, we’ll just set it on the dock.
[1:08:42 – 1:08:44] Adam: We’ll have somebody out on the dock with a boom mic.
[1:08:44 – 1:08:46] Erik: Yeah, oh yeah, there we go.
[1:08:46 – 1:08:47] Adam: Get the boom mic closer.
[1:08:47 – 1:08:49] Erik: Is anybody out there trained in the boom mic?
[1:08:49 – 1:08:51] Adam: We’ll get our friend Deacon on this.
[1:08:51 – 1:08:52] Adam: Deacon do the boom mic.
[1:08:52 – 1:08:53] Erik: Pay attention for future episodes.
[1:08:53 – 1:08:54] Erik: We will be testing.
[1:08:54 – 1:08:55] Erik: I’ve always wanted to know.
[1:08:55 – 1:08:57] Adam: Yeah, no, this is a good idea actually.
[1:08:57 – 1:08:59] Erik: Test the muck boot theory.
[1:08:59 – 1:09:02] Erik: You capsize in the fall with your muck boots on.
[1:09:02 – 1:09:03] Erik: Are you going to die or not?
[1:09:03 – 1:09:04] Erik: Stay tuned.
[1:09:04 – 1:09:04] Adam: Stay tuned.
[1:09:04 – 1:09:05] Adam: You’ll find out.
[1:09:06 – 1:09:13] Adam: If you do get your muck boots wet, though, seriously, in camp, the best way is get them off, put on your slippers, your sandals, wherever you’re going to rock for the night.
[1:09:13 – 1:09:18] Adam: And then find a nice rock kind of on the edge of camp that’s facing the wind direction.
[1:09:18 – 1:09:18] Erik: Yeah.
[1:09:18 – 1:09:23] Adam: Then lay them sideways on the rock facing the wind so they catch some breeze.
[1:09:23 – 1:09:25] Erik: Try to angle them towards the sun if it’s out.
[1:09:25 – 1:09:35] Adam: It’ll help them to dry out because even if you haven’t gotten wet, even if your feet are sweating a little bit in those muck boots, they will get a little bit, you know, how the French say.
[1:09:36 – 1:09:36] Adam: Moist.
[1:09:36 – 1:09:37] Adam: Damp.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:39] Erik: Same thing.
[1:09:40 – 1:09:43] Adam: Right, so there’s a pro tip for you on top of that pro tip.
[1:09:43 – 1:09:47] Adam: Let’s get it on to printed Facebook.
[1:09:48 – 1:09:50] Adam: Ethan, number one comment.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:55] Adam: First out of the gate, unless it’s real early or late in the year, we wet foot.
[1:09:55 – 1:09:57] Adam: Easier, faster, not as hard on the canoe.
[1:09:58 – 1:09:59] Adam: The wife with Chaco’s, she loves.
[1:10:00 – 1:10:01] Adam: Merrill shoes for me.
[1:10:01 – 1:10:03] Adam: We’re single partagers if at all possible.
[1:10:03 – 1:10:05] Adam: Again, speed and efficiency.
[1:10:06 – 1:10:08] Adam: Our trip a month ago was just the two of us.
[1:10:09 – 1:10:12] Adam: One of us would take two packs and the other a pack and a canoe.
[1:10:13 – 1:10:16] Adam: My pack was a 30 liter barrel and a harness.
[1:10:17 – 1:10:18] Adam: One pack was, not mine.
[1:10:18 – 1:10:19] Erik: I’m sorry.
[1:10:20 – 1:10:21] Adam: Well, that sounds like a lot of work though.
[1:10:21 – 1:10:22] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:10:24 – 1:10:26] Adam: Sounds like you’re in pretty good shape, Ethan.
[1:10:27 – 1:10:27] Adam: Nicely done.
[1:10:28 – 1:10:29] Erik: Here we go.
[1:10:29 – 1:10:31] Erik: The battle of the wet versus dry foot begins.
[1:10:33 – 1:10:38] Erik: Michael, dry foot always hate wet, sloppy feet.
[1:10:40 – 1:10:41] Adam: Yeah, some people just don’t like it.
[1:10:42 – 1:10:44] Adam: Some people are comfortable with a wet foot and some people aren’t.
[1:10:45 – 1:10:46] Adam: You know, I don’t mind either.
[1:10:47 – 1:10:50] Adam: Again, it’s just like, what is this day feeling like to me?
[1:10:51 – 1:10:52] Adam: What’s this trip feeling like?
[1:10:53 – 1:10:54] Adam: Next comment up is Alan.
[1:10:55 – 1:10:58] Adam: Wet foot plus Keens plus wool socks equals happy portaging.
[1:10:58 – 1:11:04] Adam: That’s not the first equation we’ve seen, and this one also seems to check out by my math.
[1:11:04 – 1:11:08] Adam: He continues, haven’t gone in when it’s cold enough to warrant dry feet.
[1:11:08 – 1:11:14] Adam: Usually double portaging unless the group is early in the trip or we’re just a plain disaster.
[1:11:14 – 1:11:15] Adam: There’s nothing wrong with admitting that.
[1:11:16 – 1:11:16] UNKNOWN: No.
[1:11:17 – 1:11:22] Adam: If you realize your group is a plain disaster, then slow them down a little bit.
[1:11:22 – 1:11:24] Adam: Kind of ease back on them rains.
[1:11:24 – 1:11:24] Erik: Yep, exactly.
[1:11:25 – 1:11:29] Erik: Gerald, Vibram V trail runners work great for me.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:35] Erik: Only shoe I use hiking and everywhere else when there isn’t snow on the ground.
[1:11:35 – 1:11:35] Erik: Wow.
[1:11:36 – 1:11:37] Erik: A year-round shoe.
[1:11:37 – 1:11:37] Erik: Nice.
[1:11:38 – 1:11:39] Adam: Okay.
[1:11:40 – 1:11:42] Adam: Vanny, friend of the show Vanny.
[1:11:43 – 1:11:46] Adam: Wet boots, single portage, no hands.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:47] Adam: Wow.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:48] Adam: Look, Ma.
[1:11:48 – 1:11:49] Adam: No hands.
[1:11:49 – 1:11:50] Adam: I don’t know about that.
[1:11:50 – 1:11:52] Adam: That seems like a bunch of malarkey to me.
[1:11:52 – 1:11:52] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:52 – 1:11:53] Erik: Liar.
[1:11:53 – 1:11:55] Erik: That man is a dirty, dirty liar.
[1:11:55 – 1:11:57] Adam: Or he’s very skilled at portaging, perhaps.
[1:11:58 – 1:12:00] Adam: He does have a solo canoe now, I’ve heard.
[1:12:00 – 1:12:00] Erik: Yes.
[1:12:01 – 1:12:06] Adam: Perhaps he’s been practicing the old no hand, wet boot, single portage technique.
[1:12:08 – 1:12:14] Erik: Brian, dry if at all possible, but this year I’m going in September, so I’m going to bring rubber boots.
[1:12:15 – 1:12:17] Adam: Rubber boots.
[1:12:17 – 1:12:18] Erik: Josh.
[1:12:19 – 1:12:19] Erik: Josh.
[1:12:19 – 1:12:21] Adam: I wear just sandals for the whole trip.
[1:12:21 – 1:12:24] Adam: It’s probably not a good idea, but I’m too stubborn to change.
[1:12:25 – 1:12:27] Adam: We are peak efficiency single portagers.
[1:12:27 – 1:12:32] Adam: I carry the large Duluth pack with all the gear and food and my personal pack stacked on top.
[1:12:33 – 1:12:38] Adam: My better half carries her personal pack as well as the canoe with the paddles and rods strapped in.
[1:12:39 – 1:12:41] Adam: We are crazy hobbit mules.
[1:12:43 – 1:12:48] Erik: I think the better half responds, Carly, and I go with wet tennies.
[1:12:49 – 1:12:50] Erik: Don’t want to scratch the baby.
[1:12:52 – 1:12:53] Erik: Don’t want to scratch that baby.
[1:12:53 – 1:12:56] Adam: These two comments really go well together.
[1:12:56 – 1:12:57] Adam: Very nice.
[1:12:57 – 1:12:59] Adam: They’re meant to be together, I think, these comments.
[1:13:00 – 1:13:00] Adam: Agreed.
[1:13:00 – 1:13:01] Adam: Those crazy hobbit mules.
[1:13:03 – 1:13:13] Adam: Kirk, wet teens, 1.5 to 2, mostly take youth group trips of 6 plus, so double to start, but as they get the hang of it, some will take 2 plus packs.
[1:13:14 – 1:13:18] Adam: Yeah, that’s always fun when you’re on a trip and you see the progression of what people get comfortable with.
[1:13:18 – 1:13:25] Adam: Like, I don’t know, I’m going to double, you know, and then by the end, you get some people who are just beasts, just beasting it, I guess.
[1:13:26 – 1:13:29] Adam: You kind of get the challenge going for yourself.
[1:13:29 – 1:13:30] Adam: It’s like a personal challenge.
[1:13:31 – 1:13:35] Adam: It’s never like a crack-the-whip scenario where people are like, hey, Garch Gary Mark.
[1:13:35 – 1:13:38] Adam: So he’s like, some people just rise to the occasion, right?
[1:13:38 – 1:13:39] Erik: Yeah.
[1:13:39 – 1:13:43] Erik: No, I never really thought that we have to get across in one portage.
[1:13:44 – 1:13:53] Erik: And, I mean, I will kill myself whether I do or don’t was applicable until I almost slid over the precipice of a waterfall.
[1:13:53 – 1:13:55] Erik: And since then, I’ve been a little bit more laid back.
[1:13:55 – 1:13:56] Erik: And, yeah.
[1:13:57 – 1:14:01] Erik: This next comment perfectly displays, Hannah, double portage.
[1:14:01 – 1:14:02] Erik: What’s the rush?
[1:14:02 – 1:14:03] Erik: Exactly.
[1:14:03 – 1:14:04] Erik: What’s the rush?
[1:14:04 – 1:14:09] Erik: I mean, seriously, especially this time of year, the days are long.
[1:14:09 – 1:14:10] Erik: Take your time.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:12] Erik: Crocs all day also.
[1:14:12 – 1:14:12] Erik: Plenty of time.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:14] Erik: Hashtag Crocs all day.
[1:14:15 – 1:14:15] Adam: Yeah.
[1:14:15 – 1:14:20] Adam: Look for, you know, salamanders and lady slippers.
[1:14:20 – 1:14:21] Adam: Berries.
[1:14:21 – 1:14:22] Adam: Berries.
[1:14:22 – 1:14:22] Adam: Yeah.
[1:14:22 – 1:14:23] Adam: You could stop and pick some berries.
[1:14:24 – 1:14:27] Adam: Our next commenter is Shannon.
[1:14:28 – 1:14:32] Adam: I grew up with the ideas that the bottom of the canoe should only touch air or water for bread dough.
[1:14:33 – 1:14:35] Adam: She’s one-upped you on that one.
[1:14:35 – 1:14:35] Adam: Yes.
[1:14:35 – 1:14:37] Adam: You didn’t mention the bread dough earlier.
[1:14:37 – 1:14:40] Adam: And that feet are your most valuable asset when in the woods.
[1:14:41 – 1:14:44] Adam: I’m on team wet boots and wool socks even when swimming.
[1:14:44 – 1:14:45] Adam: Yes.
[1:14:45 – 1:14:48] Adam: Well, we were jumping off the rocks on brulee.
[1:14:49 – 1:14:51] Adam: Last week, and I was even still wearing my Chacos.
[1:14:51 – 1:14:52] Erik: I had my Chacos on.
[1:14:52 – 1:14:52] Erik: I don’t jump in.
[1:14:52 – 1:14:55] Adam: You don’t know what you’re going to hit at the bottom there.
[1:14:55 – 1:14:55] Erik: No.
[1:14:56 – 1:14:56] Erik: Who knows?
[1:14:56 – 1:14:57] Erik: You get some snags.
[1:14:57 – 1:15:00] Erik: You don’t get hooked into a lure.
[1:15:00 – 1:15:03] Adam: Yes, your feet are your most valuable asset.
[1:15:04 – 1:15:04] Adam: MVA.
[1:15:05 – 1:15:06] Adam: Your MVA.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:07] Adam: Most valuable foot.
[1:15:07 – 1:15:07] Adam: MVF.
[1:15:08 – 1:15:09] Erik: Most valuable foot.
[1:15:09 – 1:15:11] Adam: What is your most valuable foot?
[1:15:11 – 1:15:12] Adam: Question of the week.
[1:15:12 – 1:15:13] Adam: Next week, left or right?
[1:15:13 – 1:15:14] Adam: I like my right foot.
[1:15:15 – 1:15:15] Adam: Right foot all day.
[1:15:16 – 1:15:17] Erik: Right foot all day.
[1:15:17 – 1:15:17] Erik: Todd.
[1:15:17 – 1:15:17] Erik: Todd.
[1:15:18 – 1:15:18] Erik: Go ahead and do Todd.
[1:15:18 – 1:15:21] Adam: Todd, dry feet with waterproof hiking boots.
[1:15:24 – 1:15:25] Adam: Well, yeah.
[1:15:25 – 1:15:26] Erik: Thanks for that, Todd.
[1:15:26 – 1:15:27] Adam: Yeah, I agree.
[1:15:28 – 1:15:32] Adam: But I’m not sure that hiking boots can be waterproof to the degree we’re talking.
[1:15:33 – 1:15:34] Adam: Like, I’m thinking muck boots where you’re in.
[1:15:34 – 1:15:35] Adam: You’re in.
[1:15:35 – 1:15:36] Adam: Whatever.
[1:15:36 – 1:15:37] Erik: Well, that’s a discussion.
[1:15:37 – 1:15:39] Erik: What is truly waterproof?
[1:15:40 – 1:15:42] Erik: Yeah, the waterproofness of a muck boot.
[1:15:42 – 1:15:46] Adam: Even then, they sometimes leak or you get one over that you go in a little too deep.
[1:15:46 – 1:15:54] Erik: Well, I mean, yes, they are 100% waterproof, but what comes with that is usually a sweaty foot.
[1:15:54 – 1:15:55] Erik: So my foot ends up wet anyway.
[1:15:56 – 1:15:57] Erik: Here we go.
[1:15:57 – 1:16:01] Erik: Matt, wet foot in some sturdy-ish water shoes.
[1:16:01 – 1:16:07] Erik: It’s easy to change if it gets uncomfortable, but it’s not worth the hassle to try to stay dry for me.
[1:16:07 – 1:16:09] Adam: All right.
[1:16:10 – 1:16:12] Adam: Robert, dry feet if possible.
[1:16:12 – 1:16:16] Adam: Trail running shoes that dry quickly for the inevitable wet foot problem.
[1:16:16 – 1:16:18] Adam: Always single portage.
[1:16:18 – 1:16:18] Erik: Yeah.
[1:16:19 – 1:16:19] Adam: Always.
[1:16:19 – 1:16:23] Adam: You know, wet feet can dry out, but, like, a muddy foot, that’s a whole other thing.
[1:16:23 – 1:16:27] Adam: Then you’ve got to, like, basically get in the camp and, like, wet it up again to get the mud off.
[1:16:27 – 1:16:29] Adam: I mean, I’m talking…
[1:16:30 – 1:16:31] Adam: A lot of moisture.
[1:16:31 – 1:16:32] Adam: Sorry.
[1:16:32 – 1:16:33] Adam: I messed up.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:33] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:33] Adam: All I saw.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:35] Adam: There you go.
[1:16:35 – 1:16:36] Adam: I got the print page correctly.
[1:16:37 – 1:16:39] Erik: Ed, wet feet with heavy soul.
[1:16:40 – 1:16:42] Erik: $20 Costco water sandals.
[1:16:43 – 1:16:43] Erik: Branded.
[1:16:44 – 1:16:45] Erik: All right.
[1:16:45 – 1:16:46] Erik: Hashtag sponsored.
[1:16:47 – 1:16:54] Erik: I have a pair of neoprene socks for nasty conditions if I’m planning the trip and menu single portage.
[1:16:55 – 1:16:57] Erik: Got to get those $20 Costco sandals.
[1:16:58 – 1:16:59] Erik: Cha-ching.
[1:17:00 – 1:17:05] Adam: Brian, wet foot knit, wool socks, plus Keen McKenzie II water shoes.
[1:17:06 – 1:17:11] Adam: All the benefit of Keens and a shoe instead of those annoying pebbles can’t get under my feet so easily.
[1:17:11 – 1:17:11] Erik: Hey.
[1:17:12 – 1:17:15] Adam: I made shoes hiking boots for my Grand Portage trip this year.
[1:17:15 – 1:17:16] Erik: You’re doing it.
[1:17:16 – 1:17:16] Erik: Whoa, Brian.
[1:17:17 – 1:17:20] Adam: Brian, call us up on the Fact Checker hotline.
[1:17:20 – 1:17:20] Erik: Grand Portage.
[1:17:20 – 1:17:23] Erik: We got to get a Grand Portage button on the soundboard.
[1:17:23 – 1:17:23] Erik: Yes.
[1:17:23 – 1:17:23] Erik: Boop.
[1:17:25 – 1:17:26] Erik: Brian, stay in touch.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:28] Erik: Let us know how the Grand Portage goes.
[1:17:28 – 1:17:29] Erik: We want to hear more.
[1:17:29 – 1:17:31] Erik: I know Shannon has done it before.
[1:17:31 – 1:17:32] Erik: I am on the edge of my seat right now.
[1:17:33 – 1:17:33] Erik: As am I.
[1:17:34 – 1:17:36] Adam: Are you going from Grand Portage up?
[1:17:37 – 1:17:39] Adam: Has anybody gone from the Big Lake up?
[1:17:39 – 1:17:41] Erik: Yeah, and just started a trip?
[1:17:41 – 1:17:45] Adam: I’m going to start with the Grand Portage, and then we’ll end at Clearwater for a piece of pie.
[1:17:47 – 1:17:48] Adam: That’s the preferred method, actually, I think.
[1:17:49 – 1:17:55] Erik: If anybody starts with the Grand Portage and ends at Clearwater with a pair of buttless chaps, you will get a free pie, guaranteed.
[1:17:55 – 1:17:59] Adam: Free pie for anybody wearing buttless chaps at Clearwater Lodge this summer.
[1:18:00 – 1:18:01] Adam: You heard it here first.
[1:18:02 – 1:18:04] Adam: No free pie for anybody with a tump line, though.
[1:18:04 – 1:18:04] Adam: Sorry.
[1:18:05 – 1:18:05] Erik: Oh, what?
[1:18:05 – 1:18:06] Erik: Well, a slice.
[1:18:07 – 1:18:08] Erik: A free slice for tump lines.
[1:18:08 – 1:18:09] Erik: We don’t want to discourage.
[1:18:11 – 1:18:12] Erik: Jeff, keen hiking boots?
[1:18:13 – 1:18:13] Erik: Wet.
[1:18:14 – 1:18:15] Erik: Smart wool socks.
[1:18:16 – 1:18:18] Erik: I’ll do Bill, and you can finish up with Lisa.
[1:18:18 – 1:18:19] Adam: Okay.
[1:18:19 – 1:18:24] Erik: Bill, I think we’re in almost a conclusion here at this point.
[1:18:24 – 1:18:31] Erik: Bill, wet foot, chota, caney, fork, wading boot, polypropylene liner.
[1:18:31 – 1:18:33] Erik: Wow, a lot of capitalized words there in a row.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:39] Erik: Double portage, gear first, then canoe, pictures and water on deadhead.
[1:18:39 – 1:18:41] Erik: What does that mean?
[1:18:42 – 1:18:42] Adam: Let me see it.
[1:18:47 – 1:18:47] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:18:48 – 1:18:49] Adam: The heck he’s talking about.
[1:18:50 – 1:18:50] Adam: Fact check us.
[1:18:50 – 1:18:51] Adam: Fact check us.
[1:18:51 – 1:18:54] Adam: I don’t know what the pictures and water on Deadhead means.
[1:18:54 – 1:18:57] Adam: Sounds like this guy’s got a lot of diglycerides in his footwear.
[1:18:59 – 1:19:00] Adam: Sorry, Bill.
[1:19:00 – 1:19:01] Adam: I’m just giving you a hard time.
[1:19:02 – 1:19:02] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:19:02 – 1:19:04] Adam: But yeah, it sounds like those are some nice boots.
[1:19:05 – 1:19:07] Adam: Lastly, we got Lisa.
[1:19:07 – 1:19:09] Adam: Wet boots with wool socks.
[1:19:09 – 1:19:10] Adam: Single portage whenever possible.
[1:19:11 – 1:19:12] Adam: Have had a triple portage.
[1:19:12 – 1:19:15] Adam: Went on a 30-day trip in the Arctic Circle.
[1:19:15 – 1:19:15] Adam: Oh.
[1:19:15 – 1:19:16] Adam: Well, yeah.
[1:19:16 – 1:19:16] Adam: See, there you go.
[1:19:16 – 1:19:17] Adam: You’re going to have that.
[1:19:17 – 1:19:19] Erik: 30 days in the Arctic Circle?
[1:19:19 – 1:19:22] Adam: When you have enough food to cover 30 days.
[1:19:22 – 1:19:24] Adam: Lisa, you should start your own podcast.
[1:19:25 – 1:19:27] Adam: You’re certainly not wearing Birkenstocks.
[1:19:28 – 1:19:29] Adam: I think we can all agree on that.
[1:19:30 – 1:19:35] Erik: What do you wear when you’re on a 30-day trip in the Arctic Circle?
[1:19:35 – 1:19:36] Erik: Birkin socks.
[1:19:37 – 1:19:38] Adam: Episode 26.
[1:19:39 – 1:19:41] Adam: What kind of camp slipper do you like?
[1:19:41 – 1:19:43] Adam: Now we’re going to really get into the stuff.
[1:19:43 – 1:19:45] Adam: Who cares what you’re wearing on the portage?
[1:19:45 – 1:19:48] Adam: Next week on Tumble Home, tell us about your slippers.
[1:19:49 – 1:19:53] Adam: All right, well, in all seriousness, thank you for the many responses this week.
[1:19:53 – 1:19:55] Erik: I think it was their largest volume.
[1:19:55 – 1:20:00] Adam: Yeah, really nice to see that kind of vocal output.
[1:20:01 – 1:20:02] Adam: Output.
[1:20:02 – 1:20:02] Adam: Outpouring.
[1:20:03 – 1:20:03] Adam: Outpouring.
[1:20:03 – 1:20:06] Adam: People are passionate when it comes to how they like to portage.
[1:20:07 – 1:20:08] Adam: People take a lot of pride in it.
[1:20:09 – 1:20:12] Adam: And certainly when you find a piece of footwear that works for you,
[1:20:12 – 1:20:16] Adam: you know, stick with it and then, uh, try and tell others, you know, and that’s the thing.
[1:20:16 – 1:20:19] Adam: I think we had a couple of people in there saying like, it’s a hundred percent game changer.
[1:20:19 – 1:20:20] Adam: Yeah.
[1:20:20 – 1:20:30] Adam: When you like go from just wearing crappy sandals to all of a sudden you find like a really nice toad Chaco or you’re wearing just, you know, old rubber boots and you find a muck boot.
[1:20:30 – 1:20:31] Adam: That is a game changer.
[1:20:32 – 1:20:32] Adam: Pretty sweet.
[1:20:32 – 1:20:33] Adam: Yeah.
[1:20:33 – 1:20:33] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:20:35 – 1:20:39] Adam: All right, well, you can connect with us on Facebook.
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[1:20:42 – 1:20:49] Adam: Also on Instagram, Tumble Home Cast, and on Gmail, tumblehome at gmail.com.
[1:20:49 – 1:20:51] Adam: Tumble Home Cast at gmail.com.
[1:20:52 – 1:20:52] Adam: Did I mess that up?
[1:20:52 – 1:20:53] Adam: You did.
[1:20:53 – 1:20:55] Adam: Well, who’s sending emails anyways?
[1:20:55 – 1:20:56] Erik: A few people are.
[1:20:56 – 1:20:57] Erik: Tumble Home Cast at gmail.com.
[1:20:57 – 1:21:01] Adam: If you want to write us a handwritten letter, send it to Clearwater Lodge.
[1:21:01 – 1:21:04] Adam: It says 78 Clearwater Road.
[1:21:04 – 1:21:06] Erik: 774 Clearwater Road.
[1:21:06 – 1:21:07] Erik: But we have gotten a few.
[1:21:08 – 1:21:09] Adam: Grand Marais, Minnesota, 5,680.
[1:21:09 – 1:21:11] Adam: There you go.
[1:21:11 – 1:21:12] Adam: That’s the zip code.
[1:21:12 – 1:21:13] Adam: There you go.
[1:21:13 – 1:21:14] Adam: We got it all figured out.
[1:21:14 – 1:21:14] Erik: Check us out.
[1:21:15 – 1:21:20] Erik: But before we get to the fact checker hotline, I think we want to maybe clear the air a little bit.
[1:21:21 – 1:21:23] Adam: Yeah, we have the number this week.
[1:21:23 – 1:21:23] Adam: We do.
[1:21:23 – 1:21:25] Adam: We’re going to give you the number.
[1:21:25 – 1:21:33] Erik: But we’re very close to changing the name because we don’t want it to necessarily be a fact checker hotline.
[1:21:33 – 1:21:35] Adam: We don’t mind having our facts checked.
[1:21:35 – 1:21:36] Adam: Not at all.
[1:21:37 – 1:21:39] Adam: But it can be so much more than that, right?
[1:21:39 – 1:21:42] Erik: Yes, I think it could be share your stories.
[1:21:42 – 1:21:43] Erik: How was your trip?
[1:21:44 – 1:21:45] Erik: Did you catch any fish?
[1:21:45 – 1:21:46] Erik: How was the South Arm of Knife?
[1:21:47 – 1:21:49] Erik: How many rock bass did you catch?
[1:21:51 – 1:21:51] Adam: Right.
[1:21:51 – 1:21:54] Adam: Or do you have any random questions for us?
[1:21:54 – 1:21:56] Adam: Yeah, you can send us a question in audio form.
[1:21:56 – 1:22:00] Adam: We could play it and then respond to it live on the next episode.
[1:22:00 – 1:22:01] Erik: Yeah.
[1:22:01 – 1:22:02] Adam: There’s a lot of possibilities here.
[1:22:02 – 1:22:06] Adam: It can’t just be put into one boot or one Chaco.
[1:22:06 – 1:22:10] Erik: Yeah, as of right now, it is the open-toed hotline.
[1:22:12 – 1:22:13] Erik: The old barefoot hotline.
[1:22:13 – 1:22:15] Erik: The old barefoot hotline.
[1:22:15 – 1:22:17] Erik: The number remains the same.
[1:22:17 – 1:22:23] Erik: 218-481-0649.
[1:22:24 – 1:22:25] Erik: Call us.
[1:22:25 – 1:22:27] Erik: Questions, comments, concerns.
[1:22:27 – 1:22:29] Erik: We are not settled on that name yet.
[1:22:29 – 1:22:29] Erik: 0649-
[1:22:31 – 1:22:57] Adam: zero six four nine yeah you know and actually we just have this hooked up to an old style answering machine with a little tiny miniature tapes in there yeah we could just call it the tumble home answering machine and you can leave us whatever you want on there there you go and as of right now eric has a it’s a little usb cord that he can hook up to the uh the main frame and so we can um transport it digitally into the actual show
[1:22:58 – 1:22:58] Adam: Yes.
[1:22:58 – 1:22:59] Adam: The wonders of technology.
[1:22:59 – 1:23:04] Adam: So call our answering machine or hotline or whatever you’d like to call it in your mind.
[1:23:05 – 1:23:07] Erik: I’m going with the tumble home answering machine right now.
[1:23:07 – 1:23:08] Erik: Yeah, call our answering machine.
[1:23:08 – 1:23:10] Erik: 218-481.
[1:23:10 – 1:23:11] Erik: We’re not home.
[1:23:11 – 1:23:13] Erik: We’re not always home, but you can always reach us there.
[1:23:14 – 1:23:18] Erik: Check the show notes for all kinds of fun information.
[1:23:19 – 1:23:21] Erik: Thank you to our sponsors, Clearwater.
[1:23:21 – 1:23:22] Adam: And Paul.
[1:23:22 – 1:23:23] Adam: And Paul.
[1:23:23 – 1:23:26] Adam: With all the pile of beer from Paul.
[1:23:26 – 1:23:27] Adam: We’re finally getting through it.
[1:23:27 – 1:23:30] Adam: I think I may have just finished the last of the beer garden.
[1:23:31 – 1:23:31] Adam: Yes.
[1:23:32 – 1:23:34] Adam: So that is an appropriate time to end this show.
[1:23:34 – 1:23:34] Adam: It is.
[1:23:35 – 1:23:35] Adam: All right.
[1:23:35 – 1:23:36] Adam: Well, we’re out.
[1:23:36 – 1:23:39] Adam: And as always, happy paddling.
[1:23:39 – 1:23:40] Adam: Thanks for listening.
[1:23:41 – 1:23:42] Adam: Arrivederci.
[1:23:42 – 1:23:44] Adam: Paisley D’Ari.
[1:23:44 – 1:23:45] SPEAKER_00: Bye.
[1:24:01 – 1:24:03] SPEAKER_00: Thanks for watching!
