026: Rose Lake

Episode Transcript

[0:00:23 – 0:00:50] Erik: and welcome back to tumble home a boundary waters podcast episode 26 i am eric joined as always by adam hello welcome we are live in studio k with the panting dog yeah welcome panting dog welcome panting dog indeed never been this hot ever yes
[0:00:50 – 0:00:52] Erik: My tongue is a mile long.
[0:00:52 – 0:00:53] Erik: It’s a long tongue over there.
[0:00:54 – 0:01:17] Erik: We are, as always, sponsored by Clearwater Historic Lodge and Canoe Outfitters, as well as this week, Surly Brewing Company, a new little fun lager that made itself very apparent to us today in the store because it fits right along with the lake we’re talking about today.
[0:01:17 Р0:01:18] Erik: This is a Ros̩ lager.
[0:01:19 Р0:01:19] Adam: Ros̩.
[0:01:23 – 0:01:26] Erik: brewed with black currants and strawberries.
[0:01:26 – 0:01:26] Adam: Oh my.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:27] Adam: Yes.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:31] Adam: We’re only going to lakes that end in a soft E from now on.
[0:01:31 – 0:01:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:33] Adam: Very soft.
[0:01:33 Р0:01:34] Erik: Ros̩.
[0:01:35 – 0:01:36] Erik: Brûlée.
[0:01:36 – 0:01:37] Erik: Brûlée.
[0:01:37 – 0:01:38] Adam: Cherokee.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:39] Adam: Cherokee.
[0:01:39 – 0:01:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:40] Erik: Hmm.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:42] Erik: Hmm.
[0:01:45 – 0:02:14] Adam: yeah it’s not uh yeah last week i had a grain belt blueberry ale and uh i was a little scared it was it was actually not as sweet as i thought it was going to be but this is the appropriate amount of sweetness yeah um it’s pretty good grain belt blueberry a little over the top it is best tempered with like a little extra regular grain belt pour in some auxiliary grain belt you gotta kind of you gotta ease that one in yeah
[0:02:15 – 0:02:22] Erik: So we, yeah, we’re going to do a lake review episode this week.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:23] Erik: It’s been a while.
[0:02:23 – 0:02:24] Erik: Getting back to the lakes.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:26] Erik: Getting back to our roots.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:27] Erik: It’s been a while.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:31] Erik: But before we get to that, we’re going to talk about a day trip I took.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:32] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:36] Erik: Maybe throw a little, an ethical question your way.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:41] Erik: I think I’m going to know kind of what your stance is on that, but we’ll get into that.
[0:02:41 – 0:02:41] Erik: Okay.
[0:02:44 – 0:02:44] Erik: What else?
[0:02:44 – 0:02:45] Erik: I thought there was one other thing.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:46] Adam: Well, we just got done golfing.
[0:02:46 – 0:02:49] Adam: I think we should talk about the golf first and then have a brain teaser.
[0:02:49 – 0:02:51] Adam: Not a brain teaser.
[0:02:51 – 0:02:55] Adam: It’s more of just a movie fact.
[0:02:55 – 0:02:56] Adam: A movie fact?
[0:02:56 – 0:02:57] Adam: It’s not even a question.
[0:02:57 – 0:03:01] Adam: I’m going to tell you a fact and see what you think about it.
[0:03:01 – 0:03:02] Adam: Here is a fact.
[0:03:03 – 0:03:03] Adam: Deal with it.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:05 – 0:03:06] Adam: Yeah, we played a little golf.
[0:03:06 – 0:03:08] Adam: It was a beautiful day for golf this afternoon.
[0:03:09 – 0:03:10] Adam: What did you think of the golf?
[0:03:10 – 0:03:39] Adam: yeah i mean new course for you never been down there before nice little nine hole golfing with the we should say we it was frisbee golf no i think that is just the golf now yeah and then you did something unexpected uh you found this little white ball it was like a hard like plastic ball yeah little dimples throw it you threw it pretty far like much farther than any of the frisbees that you threw today i mean i think it was i think i kind of like made a new sport
[0:03:39 – 0:03:42] Adam: Yeah, I think it’s a new wrinkle on an old classic.
[0:03:42 – 0:03:43] Adam: I think it’s like golf.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:46] Adam: I think we’re going to call it golf, I guess, for ball golf.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:47 – 0:03:48] Adam: I like it.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:49] Adam: You got something there.
[0:03:49 – 0:03:50] Erik: I think, yeah, we’ll work on that.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:52] Adam: Get some serious distance and speed on that ball.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:55] Erik: I mean, I throw it really hard overhand.
[0:03:55 – 0:03:56] Adam: We lost it, actually.
[0:03:57 – 0:03:58] Adam: That’s the real problem.
[0:03:58 – 0:03:59] Adam: They’re so small, these ball.
[0:04:00 – 0:04:02] Adam: They are hard to find in the long grass.
[0:04:02 – 0:04:03] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:04:03 – 0:04:04] Erik: No, I don’t know.
[0:04:04 – 0:04:08] Erik: I’ve actually never played a like full round of Frisbee golf before.
[0:04:08 – 0:04:10] Erik: And it was, uh, it was pretty fun.
[0:04:10 – 0:04:11] Erik: Yeah.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:12] Adam: It’s a nice way to spend the afternoon.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:13] Adam: There’s like zero wind today too.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:16] Adam: So pretty ideal conditions.
[0:04:16 – 0:04:30] Erik: Seems like probably a little bit more enjoyable than like regular ball and club golf, but with some similarities where it’s like, right, as you think you’ve got some like technique figured out, then it just starts like, oh, no, never mind.
[0:04:30 – 0:04:31] Erik: I don’t have this figured out at all.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:34] Erik: Every throw is like kind of a wild card.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:36] Erik: You’re like, oh, well.
[0:04:36 – 0:04:40] Adam: Well, the wind is a little more of a factor, but like I said today, it wasn’t very windy, so.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:48] Adam: It was kind of a good day to get a feel for what you got going on, but the positives are it didn’t cost you like $30 to go out and do that.
[0:04:48 – 0:04:49] Adam: You just get to walk around.
[0:04:50 – 0:04:51] Adam: It’s good exercise, plus you have a nice view.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:52] Adam: Yes.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:54] Erik: We were out there with some companions.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Pete: Yeah, it was a fun afternoon.
[0:04:56 – 0:04:57] Erik: It was definitely fun.
[0:04:58 – 0:05:04] Erik: I will definitely be joining you out there on the links again.
[0:05:05 – 0:05:10] Erik: But no major thoughts on the matter beyond that.
[0:05:11 – 0:05:11] Adam: All right.
[0:05:11 – 0:05:17] Adam: Well, I got a movie factoid I want to get in there, and then we’ll get to the meat of this episode, which we’re going to start with your day trip.
[0:05:17 – 0:05:20] Adam: But before we get to that, have you seen Interstellar?
[0:05:20 – 0:05:20] Adam: Yes.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:21] Adam: All right.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:28] Adam: So Hans Zimmer is the composer for Interstellar, a well-known composer.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:29] Adam: I just read this today.
[0:05:29 – 0:05:30] Adam: I want to see what you think.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:33] Adam: Remember the water planet on Interstellar?
[0:05:34 – 0:05:37] Adam: when they get their way out there on the water planet.
[0:05:38 – 0:05:40] Erik: Is that the one where the crazy wave comes in out of nowhere?
[0:05:41 – 0:05:42] Adam: Yeah, the anxiety wave.
[0:05:42 – 0:05:44] Adam: The anxiety wave, yeah.
[0:05:44 – 0:05:48] Erik: And there’s some guy up in a space station who ages 40 years while they’re down there.
[0:05:48 – 0:05:51] Adam: Yeah, it’s a real time warp scenario going on.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:58] Adam: And so I read today that in that scene, Hans Zimmer’s music for that scene, there’s a like…
[0:05:59 – 0:06:16] Adam: snap or a click every 1.25 seconds i guess i gotta slow down a little yeah but if you figure it out they talk about it in the movie if you do somebody on reddit did the math and it’s like if you you break it down basically when they’re on that water planet time is moving rapidly
[0:06:17 – 0:06:23] Adam: So every click or snap in that sequence equals one year on Earth, apparently.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:24] Adam: And somebody did the math on it.
[0:06:24 – 0:06:26] Erik: Of course, somebody on Reddit did the math on that.
[0:06:28 – 0:06:38] Adam: I think it’s pretty interesting, though, that the music itself gives you this feeling, but it also directly corresponds into the plot the way they explained it.
[0:06:38 – 0:06:46] Adam: That time was moving so fast on this water planet that the guy, by just being down there in that wave for a little bit, whew.
[0:06:46 – 0:06:48] Erik: On, like, our movie details or whatever.
[0:06:48 – 0:06:50] Adam: It was on our movie details.
[0:06:50 – 0:06:50] Adam: Nice.
[0:06:50 – 0:06:51] Adam: Nice.
[0:06:51 – 0:06:52] Erik: Yeah, no, interesting.
[0:06:52 – 0:06:57] Erik: I mean, that movie’s definitely got some of those… Quiet down over there.
[0:06:59 – 0:07:02] Erik: Real thinker scenes with the time.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:03] Erik: There it is.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:04] Erik: There it is.
[0:07:04 – 0:07:05] Erik: And that’s the end of the episode.
[0:07:05 – 0:07:08] Erik: That’s one year on earth.
[0:07:08 – 0:07:09] Erik: We’re doing the reverse.
[0:07:10 – 0:07:14] Adam: For every whole podcast we do, that was a year on earth.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:16] Erik: Every beep is seven minutes on earth.
[0:07:17 – 0:07:17] Erik: Beep.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:25] Erik: So I’ve, for the third week in a row, been out on a nice day trip.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:28] Erik: Kind of falling in love with the day trip.
[0:07:28 – 0:07:30] Erik: I actually wrote a blog on them.
[0:07:31 – 0:07:44] Erik: And so many of the things that get me down, bother me, stress me out about overnight camping, especially in July and August.
[0:07:45 – 0:07:45] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:07:46 – 0:07:59] Erik: To have those things removed from this scenario, from the day trip, allows me to fully enjoy the day.
[0:08:01 – 0:08:02] Erik: I actually enjoy the portaging.
[0:08:02 – 0:08:04] Erik: I enjoy seeing people.
[0:08:05 – 0:08:08] Erik: I know that I don’t have to worry about finding a campsite.
[0:08:08 – 0:08:09] Erik: Right, right.
[0:08:09 – 0:08:24] Erik: I mean, the thesis of the blog that I wrote was day trips into the Boundary Waters are some of the most…
[0:08:27 – 0:08:35] Erik: They’re the days that I actually live in the moment the most because I’m not thinking – on those overnight trips, you’re always just kind of thinking forward so much.
[0:08:35 – 0:08:37] Adam: You always want to be a few steps ahead for sure.
[0:08:37 – 0:08:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:38 – 0:08:45] Erik: I mean from the moment that you actually book that permit to the day that you put in to then you’re kind of always worried.
[0:08:45 – 0:09:00] Adam: yeah like how many trips even for an overnight do you even go in and you’re like i don’t know you know you always even you always have like a campsite in mind yeah even if we always say like it’s wherever you end up yeah you always have like a a plan and a b plan for sure
[0:09:00 – 0:09:04] Erik: And that’s the one thing with the day trip where you’re like, I don’t have to worry about that.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:08] Erik: I know where I’m going to be at the end of the day and it’s going to be back where I started.
[0:09:08 – 0:09:12] Erik: Or, you know, if you do set up a vehicle somewhere on the other end.
[0:09:12 – 0:09:19] Erik: And then anything in between, you’re not stressing out about seeing people or campsite availability.
[0:09:19 – 0:09:21] Erik: And in July and August, honestly…
[0:09:22 – 0:09:38] Erik: On some of the trips that I’ve done where you’re getting out and you’re worried about finding a campsite and one’s taken and the next one’s taken and then the one after that is taken and, like, there’s just this feeling, this, like, dull kind of concern slash stress.
[0:09:38 – 0:09:41] Adam: Like, I should have been already collecting firewood and relaxing by now.
[0:09:41 – 0:09:42] Erik: Yeah, it slowly starts building.
[0:09:42 – 0:09:46] Erik: Like, the sun has just kind of gone down behind the trees.
[0:09:47 – 0:09:47] Adam: You know.
[0:09:47 – 0:09:51] Erik: And yeah, it’s like, I’m out here and I’m feeling stressed out.
[0:09:52 – 0:09:55] Erik: That’s not really the point of being out here.
[0:09:56 – 0:09:59] Adam: So the day trip, you can experience the park.
[0:09:59 – 0:10:03] Adam: Plus without the big pack, you can cover a crazy distance.
[0:10:03 – 0:10:05] Adam: Yeah, you don’t have to worry about… We talked about this on the solstice.
[0:10:05 – 0:10:05] Erik: Exactly.
[0:10:05 – 0:10:07] Erik: You don’t have to worry about like… Super day trips.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:09] Erik: Where campsites are.
[0:10:09 – 0:10:10] Erik: You just go.
[0:10:11 – 0:10:16] Erik: And so, yeah, we did a decently long day trip last week.
[0:10:17 – 0:10:18] Erik: Put in at Baker.
[0:10:18 – 0:10:20] Erik: Never entered at Baker before.
[0:10:20 – 0:10:43] Erik: i have not i’m not either entry point 39 i believe up there yeah i just drove up there one time and kind of peeked at it there’s a campground up there like right on the lake and i mean it’s like you basically put in right at the boundary waters it’s kind of like brule where it’s you know you can drive up to the lake but the lake is in the park right um but you do it to pretty much portage right away
[0:10:44 – 0:11:01] Erik: And, yeah, it was a nice, actually a relatively late start for kind of how long we were going through some lakes that I have been through, but it’s been a while, up through Peterson, Kelly, back to Cherokee.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:05] Erik: I just can’t get enough of that Cherokee lake back in two weeks in a row.
[0:11:05 – 0:11:06] Adam: I knew you missed it.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:07 – 0:11:08] Adam: And it’s crazy, you know.
[0:11:08 – 0:11:09] Adam: Did you get to go through Sitka again, though?
[0:11:10 – 0:11:10] Adam: Did.
[0:11:10 – 0:11:11] Adam: I did.
[0:11:11 – 0:11:12] Adam: Wow.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:12] Adam: Blessed day.
[0:11:13 – 0:11:23] Erik: Tori, the geologist’s wife, really, really hated Sitka because a couple of, like, as we were passing across the lake, like, a couple of logs just, like, came out of nowhere, out of the depths.
[0:11:23 – 0:11:23] Erik: Really?
[0:11:24 – 0:11:25] Adam: You know how creepy that is.
[0:11:25 – 0:11:28] Adam: Nobody likes a log from the depths.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:28] Adam: No.
[0:11:29 – 0:11:29] Erik: Nobody.
[0:11:29 – 0:11:41] Erik: But that portage from Cherokee to Sitka or vice versa that we did a couple weeks ago on the town day trip is way easier going from south to north, from Sitka to Cherokee.
[0:11:42 – 0:11:42] Erik: Way easier.
[0:11:43 – 0:11:48] Erik: But it was a relatively quiet morning through south and north temperance.
[0:11:50 – 0:11:53] Erik: And then we got out of Cherokee, and it was the same old thing.
[0:11:54 – 0:11:55] Erik: Boy Scouts.
[0:11:55 – 0:11:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:56 – 0:11:57] Erik: Every camp was occupied.
[0:11:58 – 0:12:01] Erik: Every corner we turned, every island we went by.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:01] Erik: Is that another boat?
[0:12:02 – 0:12:03] Erik: There’s two canoes over there.
[0:12:03 – 0:12:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:04 – 0:12:05] Erik: There’s another group.
[0:12:05 – 0:12:10] Adam: There is something about that lake where a lot of people are trying to get there, I guess.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:13] Adam: You can come at it from a variety of angles.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:15] Adam: It’s a destination lake.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:21] Erik: We were talking about it while we were out in the water, and I don’t know if it’s because it’s kind of the confluence of multiple routes.
[0:12:22 – 0:12:25] Adam: I think it’s because there’s no smallmouth bass, allegedly.
[0:12:26 – 0:12:26] Erik: Is that why?
[0:12:27 – 0:12:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:27] Adam: I’m sure.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:29] Adam: If you want to go to a pure lake.
[0:12:30 – 0:12:31] Erik: Yeah, that’s what it is.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:34] Adam: One that wasn’t polluted with an invasive species.
[0:12:36 – 0:12:42] Erik: But before we finish the little day trip that we did…
[0:12:44 – 0:12:45] Erik: We did see something out there.
[0:12:47 – 0:12:58] Erik: I think an etiquette slash ethical issue that I am pretty sure I know how you will feel about this, but…
[0:12:59 – 0:13:05] Erik: And I could be wrong, but I’m almost positive what we saw is what was happening.
[0:13:05 – 0:13:13] Adam: I think you’ve been out there enough that I can trust your judgment on your version of events or probably the correct version of these events.
[0:13:14 – 0:13:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:15 – 0:13:17] Erik: And I’ve heard of people doing this before.
[0:13:17 – 0:13:18] Erik: I’ve never seen it in action.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:18] Erik: I’m not.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:19] Erik: I’m not.
[0:13:20 – 0:13:40] Erik: so we were coming around we came into the lake and as soon as we got into the lake a group paddled over to a site started unloading could tell they were going to take it for the night paddled by another site occupied you know the first four or five sites we went by they were all occupied and we were putting a little duck duck goose out there i’m sorry it’s duck duck gray duck gray duck
[0:13:41 – 0:13:41] Erik: You should be sorry.
[0:13:42 – 0:13:43] Erik: Hey, that was a real gaffe.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:44] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:47] Erik: So we were heading down towards Cherokee Creek, towards the south end of the lake.
[0:13:48 – 0:13:55] Erik: We were actually over to the west, off to our right, we could see two other canoes kind of, you could tell they were looking for campsites.
[0:13:56 – 0:13:59] Erik: Every site that we could see up to that point was occupied.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:04] Erik: and we were coming down towards the last two or three sites on the lake.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:15] Erik: And I kind of looked up and I looked over and, uh, actually saw what looked like to be somebody paddling like backwards, like backing up.
[0:14:15 – 0:14:19] Erik: And like, you know, you’re out there for, you’re out there for like four or five hours.
[0:14:19 – 0:14:21] Erik: And I was just like kind of rubbing my eyes.
[0:14:21 – 0:14:22] Erik: I’m like, am I seeing that right?
[0:14:22 – 0:14:24] Erik: Is that person paddling back like backwards?
[0:14:25 – 0:14:27] Erik: And then all of a sudden they kind of turned.
[0:14:27 – 0:14:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:14:28 – 0:14:56] Erik: yeah and then all of a sudden elephant paddling backwards another canoe kind of appeared and then they both just kind of went paddling by us and then i was looking at the map more closely i was like oh that is a site i wonder if they’re leaving a site that’s like way too late in the day though it’s like two in the afternoon i’m like they’re not leaving a site right now well you know they could be like going all the way out from there well to you know that’s you got some time but yeah they’re probably not leaving the site
[0:14:56 – 0:14:58] Erik: No, but yeah, at the time I was like, well, that’s weird.
[0:14:58 – 0:14:59] Erik: Maybe they’re just checking out.
[0:14:59 – 0:15:01] Erik: It’s all peculiar already.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:03] Erik: And then so they went by and they were fully loaded.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:04] Erik: So I was like, okay, yeah.
[0:15:04 – 0:15:09] Erik: I mean, maybe they just deemed it to be not a site that would work for them.
[0:15:09 – 0:15:19] Erik: But as we went by the site that they were clearly backing up from, there was a single pack just packed up nicely right on the rocks.
[0:15:19 – 0:15:19] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:15:21 – 0:15:28] Erik: And I’m almost positive what they were doing was like claiming that site and then going off and looking for a better one.
[0:15:28 – 0:15:29] Adam: They pitched a pack.
[0:15:29 – 0:15:30] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:30 – 0:15:31] Erik: They just threw a pack.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:39] Erik: And then that is in their minds claiming that site and they were going out to look for greener pastures.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:45] Adam: They couldn’t even take the time to stop and like put up a hammock or a tent or something.
[0:15:46 – 0:15:46] Erik: Come on.
[0:15:46 – 0:15:47] Erik: I mean, if that’s what was happening.
[0:15:48 – 0:15:50] Adam: Why else would you leave it back there though like that?
[0:15:50 – 0:15:51] Erik: Yeah, I think that’s kind of bush league.
[0:15:52 – 0:15:53] Erik: It’s real bush league.
[0:15:53 – 0:15:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:54 – 0:15:54] Erik: You agree?
[0:15:54 – 0:15:55] Erik: Yeah, 100%.
[0:15:55 – 0:15:57] Erik: I didn’t imagine you’d be like, no, that’s totally legit.
[0:15:57 – 0:15:58] Erik: No way, I love that.
[0:15:58 – 0:15:59] Erik: I do that all the time.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:00] Adam: I mean.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:02] Adam: Gotta go see what else is out there.
[0:16:04 – 0:16:05] Adam: No.
[0:16:05 – 0:16:06] Adam: That’s garbage.
[0:16:06 – 0:16:12] Erik: I was on a day trip and it really grinded my gears.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:14] Adam: You didn’t even need a campsite.
[0:16:14 – 0:16:15] Adam: Yeah, I had nothing.
[0:16:15 – 0:16:17] Adam: You seen it and it was not cool.
[0:16:17 – 0:16:18] Erik: No, it wasn’t cool.
[0:16:18 – 0:16:21] Erik: And there was a group behind us that I knew was looking for a site.
[0:16:21 – 0:16:22] Erik: And I was like…
[0:16:23 – 0:16:24] Erik: I kind of feel bad for them.
[0:16:24 – 0:16:35] Erik: And I was like, well, okay, what would you do if you were, you know, in the situation where you were looking for a campsite and you came up to a site like that with just a pack sitting on the rocks?
[0:16:35 – 0:16:35] Adam: Probably not.
[0:16:35 – 0:16:41] Adam: I’d just keep paddling and then I’d complain about it for a good year or two after I got out of there.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:43] Adam: I’d be like, yeah, I can’t believe those people did.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:44] Adam: Like, what are you going to do?
[0:16:44 – 0:16:48] Adam: Pull in there and then kick their pack in the water, which is what you should do, I guess.
[0:16:48 – 0:16:49] Adam: But that’s not cool either.
[0:16:50 – 0:16:51] Erik: No, that’s not cool.
[0:16:51 – 0:16:57] Adam: But at the same time, I was like… You could just pull in there and sit there, and then when they come back, be like, hmm, you forgot your pack.
[0:16:57 – 0:16:57] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[0:16:57 – 0:16:58] Erik: Like, set up a camp.
[0:16:58 – 0:17:00] Adam: You’re all set up at this point.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:01] Adam: Got a fire going.
[0:17:01 – 0:17:01] Erik: Right.
[0:17:02 – 0:17:03] Erik: I mean, how am I supposed to know?
[0:17:03 – 0:17:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:04 – 0:17:05] Erik: You just left a pack.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:06] Erik: I don’t think you left a pack here.
[0:17:06 – 0:17:12] Erik: I don’t think, in my opinion, that a left… Like, just a pack on the shoreline… That does not count as a campsite claimed.
[0:17:12 – 0:17:13] Adam: Yeah, we… No way.
[0:17:14 – 0:17:14] Erik: Like…
[0:17:15 – 0:17:20] Adam: We’ll leave a little… Maybe if you’d taken the time to set up a tent.
[0:17:20 – 0:17:21] Adam: Yeah, that’s exactly what I was saying.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:23] Adam: And then throw the pack in there.
[0:17:23 – 0:17:29] Adam: Maybe then, but even then, especially if you just did that quick and then paddled away looking for something better, come on.
[0:17:29 – 0:17:30] Adam: That’s a dirtbag move.
[0:17:30 – 0:17:32] Erik: I mean, how greedy can you be, really?
[0:17:32 – 0:17:33] Erik: It’s a campsite.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:34] Adam: Yeah, but they’re on Cherokee.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:35] Erik: And that’s the other thing.
[0:17:35 – 0:17:37] Erik: It wasn’t just, like, any other lake.
[0:17:37 – 0:17:38] Erik: Like, Cherokee was packed.
[0:17:38 – 0:17:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:39] Erik: Well, yeah.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:40] Adam: It’s July.
[0:17:40 – 0:17:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:41 – 0:17:46] Erik: And so they were going to end up finding all of the other campsites to the north of them occupied.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:49] Erik: And then they were just going to come back to their pack.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:51] Erik: But, like, you know, if it was…
[0:17:51 – 0:17:53] Erik: I mean, if it was me, I think I would know what it was.
[0:17:54 – 0:17:54] Erik: But, like…
[0:17:55 – 0:18:00] Erik: How many people would really be able to be like, oh, okay, this campsite’s taken because there’s a pack?
[0:18:00 – 0:18:02] Erik: Most people would probably think it was forgotten.
[0:18:02 – 0:18:10] Adam: We were talking about this during golf a little bit, and our buddy was like, at least they could have left their weakest paddler behind with the pack.
[0:18:10 – 0:18:11] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[0:18:11 – 0:18:13] Adam: Like leave a human behind.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:15] Adam: You don’t need all the, it was a big group, right?
[0:18:15 – 0:18:16] Adam: And they could have left.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:18] Erik: It was just a group of four.
[0:18:18 – 0:18:19] Adam: Oh, maybe not then.
[0:18:19 – 0:18:20] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:20 – 0:18:27] Adam: Either way though, you could have left one canoe there with some people and then the other canoe could have been like, we’re going to go look around and then we’ll give a hoot.
[0:18:28 – 0:18:35] Adam: We’ll make a song like a woodcock and call you in if we find something better.
[0:18:35 – 0:18:39] Adam: But no, they just pitched over their day pack.
[0:18:39 – 0:18:40] Adam: What was in the day pack?
[0:18:41 – 0:18:41] Erik: I have no idea.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:42] Erik: I didn’t stop.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:43] Erik: I wasn’t too worried.
[0:18:44 – 0:18:45] Adam: Pretty risky move.
[0:18:45 – 0:18:49] Adam: Just whipping a pack over and like, we’ll paddle away and assume we’ll get it back later.
[0:18:49 – 0:18:51] Erik: That is very risky.
[0:18:52 – 0:18:55] Erik: But kind of like, I mean, geez.
[0:18:55 – 0:18:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:56 – 0:18:58] Erik: It bothered me and I wasn’t camping out overnight.
[0:18:58 – 0:19:02] Adam: This is going to be one of those episodes where we’re like, those guys.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:03] Adam: Oh, man.
[0:19:03 – 0:19:04] Adam: 30 minutes later.
[0:19:04 – 0:19:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:19:05 – 0:19:05] Erik: All right.
[0:19:05 – 0:19:06] Erik: We get it.
[0:19:06 – 0:19:07] Erik: It was a bad move.
[0:19:07 – 0:19:08] Erik: Geez.
[0:19:08 – 0:19:15] Erik: Well, we’ll just leave a little break here so that we can insert the more you know.
[0:19:15 – 0:19:19] Erik: Remember that old PSA commercial where the star would shoot across?
[0:19:20 – 0:19:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:19:20 – 0:19:21] Adam: We’ll make a little PSA for you.
[0:19:21 – 0:19:24] Adam: I think that wasn’t even close to the name of the song, but.
[0:19:24 – 0:19:24] Adam: Nah.
[0:19:25 – 0:19:26] Erik: Nah, nah, nah.
[0:19:26 – 0:19:27] Erik: Yeah, close enough.
[0:19:28 – 0:19:28] Erik: The more you know.
[0:19:29 – 0:19:38] Erik: But so, yeah, so there was that, which I think actually did kind of lead to, we’ll get to it later, but an interesting question of the week.
[0:19:39 – 0:19:41] Erik: But we ended up going down Cherokee Creek.
[0:19:41 – 0:19:42] Erik: Never been down there.
[0:19:43 – 0:19:44] Erik: Virgin waters for me.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:46] Erik: Really cool, actually.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:49] Adam: Are you heading towards Weird at this point?
[0:19:49 – 0:19:51] Erik: No, we had gone through Weird.
[0:19:51 – 0:19:52] Erik: Or is Weird on the upbound?
[0:19:52 – 0:19:53] Erik: Weird was northbound.
[0:19:54 – 0:20:01] Erik: Just north of Weird, we ran into a mom and two baby moose just swimming about.
[0:20:03 – 0:20:26] Erik: to the point where it was like okay um yeah we got all the pictures i’d like to continue on my well you don’t want to get too close no i was i don’t want to paddle like right up next to a mom teaching her babies how to swim yeah so cherokee creek was like westbound before we started making the turn down towards sawbill and you can tell between cherokee and sawbill it’s like
[0:20:27 – 0:20:29] Erik: I mean, those portages are like highways.
[0:20:30 – 0:20:30] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:20:30 – 0:20:32] Erik: Gravel just like packed.
[0:20:32 – 0:20:36] Erik: I was like, did somebody haul out some class five gravel and lay them down here?
[0:20:36 – 0:20:36] Erik: They probably did.
[0:20:37 – 0:20:38] Erik: Probably.
[0:20:38 – 0:20:39] Erik: Sawbill employees.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:41 – 0:20:42] Adam: They do that for fun.
[0:20:42 – 0:20:43] Adam: Yeah.
[0:20:43 – 0:20:53] Adam: I’ve heard that when fellow employees are going on trips down there, they hide bronze figurines and old school…
[0:20:54 – 0:21:20] Adam: artifacts just heavy stuff they’ll throw an anvil on their packs like haha oh yeah i’ve heard about some employees they’ll come out in the middle of the night and like trade your canoe for an old grumman canoe and then paddle back and then you wake up what i didn’t bring out a grumman canoe so they probably would they’re they probably have wheelbarrows stashed out there portaging out wheelbarrows yeah no they paddle the wheelbarrows yeah and then they bring the gravel along
[0:21:22 – 0:21:26] Erik: Yeah, the Cherokee Creek, that was new, cool, nice and deep.
[0:21:26 – 0:21:31] Erik: I didn’t run into anything that was like, you know, sludgy, too beaver-dammed.
[0:21:32 – 0:21:32] Erik: Too beavery?
[0:21:33 – 0:21:33] Erik: No.
[0:21:34 – 0:21:34] Adam: Trace bavery.
[0:21:35 – 0:21:35] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:35 – 0:21:37] Erik: Nice portage out of there.
[0:21:37 – 0:21:46] Erik: And then there was some real trash portages, though, between Scoop with a K and Ada.
[0:21:47 – 0:21:49] Adam: Why is it Scoop with a K?
[0:21:49 – 0:21:50] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:21:51 – 0:21:54] Adam: Somebody call up our answering machine and explain that one.
[0:21:54 – 0:21:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:55 – 0:21:56] Erik: I got to know.
[0:21:56 – 0:22:05] Erik: The Nat Geo definitely has it wrong in terms of the portaging between Scoop, Ada, and Ada Creek.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:13] Erik: There’s one portage between there where on the Nat Geo it makes it look like it’s two short portages and then like a little creek.
[0:22:14 – 0:22:17] Erik: It’s basically a portage along like a ditch.
[0:22:17 – 0:22:22] Erik: Just like a two foot wide mud ditch trench.
[0:22:23 – 0:22:25] Erik: And it’s just junk walking.
[0:22:25 – 0:22:28] Erik: You can tell it’s been like over portaged.
[0:22:29 – 0:22:34] Erik: And it’s just super muddy and shallow on both ends.
[0:22:34 – 0:22:35] Erik: And…
[0:22:36 – 0:23:05] Adam: besides that the whole day trip was awesome but that portage definitely stuck out in my mind is like i definitely i don’t want to do this ever again i’m glad i saw it but it’s well yeah now you can mark that part off and you don’t have to go back yeah the best part of the boundary waters is finding spots you really love and want to go back to year after year and then you know you go through some spots you’re like hey that was nice we got there don’t ever have to go back it’s highlighted and we can cross that one off yeah never going back to ada
[0:23:06 – 0:23:12] Erik: I mean, that’s the way to get up to Cherokee from Sawbill, but it’s just gross.
[0:23:12 – 0:23:23] Erik: We were coming down on Ada and we were just, you put in and then we were like jumping out and putting back in and jumping out because it was so shallow and rocky.
[0:23:23 – 0:23:27] Erik: And then we got out onto the lake and then all of a sudden we kind of looked over and it was like, oh.
[0:23:28 – 0:23:47] Erik: man look at that huge snapping turtle it was just this like that’s when you always see them as those nasty sections yeah and it was it was just hanging like just like a like its legs were like turned over and like it looked like a like the like a chunk of rubber that you see on the side of an interstate like a still life yeah or i guess a nude
[0:23:49 – 0:24:12] Adam: nude sketch did you bring your watercolors yeah tori was like you should take a picture i was like i do not want a picture of that dinosaur yeah you don’t want to take a picture in that scenario you want to definitely like stop and get out the easel yeah record that with uh some charcoal yeah there was a bunch of like those native leeches with like the red spots on them it was just this is uh those are sith leeches
[0:24:13 – 0:24:37] Erik: yeah and the water you get out on the you know on the end of the portage and the water was like bath warm bathtub water warm it was like i don’t like this get me back up to those big deep clear clean lakes east of the gun flint so what happens you venture far from home yep ended up making the turn saw bill burnt smoke back into kelly did some nice work on the portage though
[0:24:38 – 0:24:44] Erik: I think we were like one of the first people across some portage activity between Smoke and Kelly.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:49] Erik: Like the freshest planks across mud I’ve ever seen.
[0:24:50 – 0:24:50] Erik: Very nice.
[0:24:50 – 0:24:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:51 – 0:24:52] Adam: Volunteer cruise.
[0:24:53 – 0:24:53] Adam: Shout out.
[0:24:53 – 0:24:54] Adam: Shout out.
[0:24:55 – 0:24:56] Erik: You laid some planks?
[0:24:57 – 0:24:57] Erik: Thank you.
[0:24:58 – 0:24:59] Erik: Thank you very much.
[0:25:00 – 0:25:08] Erik: Yeah, I got in Portage back into Baker about 7 o’clock at night, about a nine-hour day, 16 miles, 16 Portages.
[0:25:09 – 0:25:09] Erik: Ripping it.
[0:25:10 – 0:25:12] Erik: No packs, just footloose, fancy free.
[0:25:12 – 0:25:12] Erik: It was great.
[0:25:14 – 0:25:18] Erik: Got in and made the burn over to Grand Marais.
[0:25:19 – 0:25:21] Erik: Bought a bag of chips, called it a day.
[0:25:22 – 0:25:27] Adam: Nothing like a good bag of chips after a long 16-mile day trip.
[0:25:27 – 0:25:28] Erik: Dill pickle.
[0:25:31 – 0:25:36] Adam: All right, and this brings us to our featured Lake of the Week.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:38] Adam: Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:40] Adam: This one’s a real bag of chips.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:41] Adam: This is Rose Lake.
[0:25:42 – 0:25:43] Adam: It’s one you all should know.
[0:25:43 – 0:25:44] Erik: Rose?
[0:25:44 – 0:25:45] Adam: Rose.
[0:25:45 – 0:25:47] Adam: And our featured beer of the week as well.
[0:25:47 – 0:25:49] Adam: It’s a double whammy.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:53] Adam: Rose Lake is one of the finest lakes in the entire Northwoods.
[0:25:54 – 0:25:54] Adam: There I said it.
[0:25:55 – 0:25:56] Adam: I don’t care if you see a jet ski on it.
[0:25:56 – 0:25:57] Adam: It’s a fine lake.
[0:25:58 – 0:25:59] Adam: You might see a jet ski.
[0:25:59 – 0:26:01] Adam: But that’s the Canadians’ problem.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:02] Adam: That’s not our problem.
[0:26:02 – 0:26:04] Adam: We’re not going to concern ourselves with that.
[0:26:05 – 0:26:06] Adam: To get to Rose…
[0:26:08 – 0:26:12] Adam: You’ve got to go through Duncan, entry point 60 off of West Bearskin.
[0:26:12 – 0:26:15] Adam: You’re going to make your way north to the famous stairway portage.
[0:26:17 – 0:26:22] Adam: Everybody should do it at least once in their life, preferably down and up.
[0:26:22 – 0:26:24] Adam: But, you know, one or the other at least.
[0:26:24 – 0:26:26] Adam: You’ve got to see the stairway portage.
[0:26:26 – 0:26:28] Adam: There’s the waterfall, Rose Falls.
[0:26:28 – 0:26:29] Adam: It’s a beautiful place.
[0:26:29 – 0:26:31] Erik: Downhill from Duncan to Rose.
[0:26:32 – 0:26:35] Erik: So keep that in mind if you are planning a route.
[0:26:35 – 0:27:04] Adam: it’s the easiest way into rose falls or rose lake and a lot of people do just go up and do a day trip there uh you’re gonna see a lot of canoes parked at the landing at duncan there when you like hit the portage there’s plenty of parking though it’s fine lots of parking it it can get kind of crazy though with yeah day trippers up there holy moly like you’re pretty good into the into the park by the time you get there and to see that kind of congestion can be a little overwhelming you’re gonna see a lot of people down there with
[0:27:04 – 0:27:24] Adam: cameras picnics what have you but it’s all worth it the falls are beautiful there’s an overlook this way there’s an overlook that way and then you get down to rose itself you get the the cliffs in the distance up on arrow it’s a beautiful place so the overlooks this way and the overlooks that way those are uh west and east on the border route trail correct yes
[0:27:25 – 0:27:29] Erik: How do you feel about the swimming opportunities in Rose Falls?
[0:27:29 – 0:27:30] Erik: Because I think it’s a little tricky.
[0:27:30 – 0:27:33] Adam: Yeah, you don’t want to really swim in Rose Falls.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:34] Adam: I’ve seen it done.
[0:27:35 – 0:27:41] Adam: It’s not like Johnson Falls or some of the other easy to get into.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:44] Adam: It’s a little tricky to get down to the section where you can actually swim.
[0:27:44 – 0:27:45] Erik: Yeah, I agree.
[0:27:46 – 0:27:49] Adam: You know, I’ve been down there, but it’s not for everyone.
[0:27:50 – 0:27:52] Adam: Better, if you want to swim, just go down to Rose.
[0:27:52 – 0:27:53] Adam: Just go down to the lake.
[0:27:53 – 0:27:57] Adam: Jump down in the lake below where the falls are and the creek kind of come in there.
[0:27:58 – 0:28:02] Adam: It’s a fine spot to swim in itself and, you know, a lot less treacherous.
[0:28:03 – 0:28:09] Erik: I mean, the stairway portage and Rose Falls, it’s beautiful day trip, lovely area.
[0:28:09 – 0:28:19] Erik: But yeah, the one thing that always kind of takes away from it for me is, yeah, it’s not one of those falls that you can really get down into and swim.
[0:28:20 – 0:28:22] Erik: Really rocky and steep to get in there.
[0:28:22 – 0:28:29] Erik: But still, I think the views from the Border Rock Trail, especially heading east on the Border Rock Trail.
[0:28:29 – 0:28:35] Adam: And if you take a right across the bridge to go over, there’s like an old, it used to be an old campsite or something.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:36] Adam: Big open area.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:39] Adam: And then you just climb and climb and climb.
[0:28:39 – 0:28:41] Adam: And then you climb a little bit more.
[0:28:41 – 0:28:43] Adam: And then you get out on this little precipice.
[0:28:44 – 0:28:44] Erik: Yep.
[0:28:44 – 0:28:49] Adam: And I’m not one to mess around with gravity, but I will go out on that precipice.
[0:28:49 – 0:28:50] Adam: It’s worth it.
[0:28:50 – 0:28:55] Erik: Yeah, the whole expanse of Rose Lake, you get those Arrow Lake cliffs.
[0:28:56 – 0:29:01] Erik: Just a little teaser on what Arrow has to offer up into Canada.
[0:29:01 – 0:29:02] Erik: And the Baker Lake.
[0:29:02 – 0:29:04] Erik: Yeah, the Baker Lake Valley.
[0:29:04 – 0:29:05] Erik: The other Baker.
[0:29:05 – 0:29:07] Erik: You can basically see bass jumping.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:08] Adam: This episode comes full circle.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:09] Adam: The other Baker.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:12] Adam: The southern Baker to the northern Baker.
[0:29:12 – 0:29:13] Erik: Lesser Baker.
[0:29:13 – 0:29:14] Erik: Yes, obviously.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:19] Erik: Or Greater Baker, depending on how you feel about 12-inch bass.
[0:29:20 – 0:29:24] Erik: And the 400-rod portage on the map from Rose to Baker does not exist.
[0:29:24 – 0:29:26] Erik: Don’t even try and look for that.
[0:29:26 – 0:29:28] Erik: We scoured the earth for that portage.
[0:29:28 – 0:29:30] Adam: We spent a whole day in there.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:33] Adam: We didn’t just look from shore like, no, it’s not there.
[0:29:34 – 0:29:34] Adam: We got out.
[0:29:35 – 0:29:39] Erik: We did the old cloverleaf method of expanding.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:42] Adam: We busted around in there with a hockey stick.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:43] Adam: Looking for that place.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:44] Adam: We were whacking around in the bush.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:45] Erik: Machetes.
[0:29:45 – 0:29:47] Adam: There’s no portage in there.
[0:29:47 – 0:29:49] Adam: Not even a trace of an old road, honestly.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:53] Erik: You can get to Baker from Arrow, though, if you go up into Canada.
[0:29:53 – 0:29:53] Adam: You certainly can.
[0:29:54 – 0:29:55] Erik: We didn’t do that, though.
[0:29:56 – 0:29:57] Erik: No, we did, actually.
[0:29:57 – 0:29:58] Erik: Just heard that.
[0:29:58 – 0:29:58] Erik: We were illegal.
[0:29:58 – 0:29:59] Erik: R-A-B-C’s.
[0:29:59 – 0:29:59] Erik: Come on.
[0:30:01 – 0:30:06] Adam: So you can also get there by the long portage coming from Rove, which only a maniac would do.
[0:30:06 – 0:30:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:30:08 – 0:30:11] Adam: It’s 8,000 portage lengths.
[0:30:11 – 0:30:12] Erik: 8,000 portage lengths.
[0:30:12 – 0:30:16] Erik: I think it’s tied for the longest portage in the Boundary Waters at two miles.
[0:30:16 – 0:30:38] Adam: yeah yeah already come from daniels and hook into the long portage that way it shaves a couple of acceptable and pretty flat and it’s a pretty nice flat easy portage yes long yeah old the name old railroad grade actually so nice and flat the beavers they do some things in there sometimes the beavers can mess with you on that one but yeah you’re gonna have to fight through
[0:30:39 – 0:30:45] Erik: And then you can also come in from the west using the South Lake entry permit, 58.
[0:30:45 – 0:30:46] Erik: Via rat.
[0:30:47 – 0:30:48] Erik: Yes, via rat.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:53] Adam: The entire western side of Rose is kind of rat-like.
[0:30:53 – 0:30:55] Adam: We’re not going to mess around.
[0:30:55 – 0:30:59] Adam: It’s definitely ratty, but we’ve seen the swan down there.
[0:30:59 – 0:31:01] Erik: Yeah, that’s basically all that’s down there is swans.
[0:31:01 – 0:31:03] Erik: Just some swans.
[0:31:03 – 0:31:24] Erik: Avoid at all costs the western portion of Rose, the rat tail on Rose, as it were, is basically one of those, you can tell at the bottom, like, is just that mysterious muck that your paddle, like, it looks solid, but then you put your paddle through it and it doesn’t feel like there’s any resistance.
[0:31:24 – 0:31:25] Adam: Just settled water.
[0:31:25 – 0:31:55] Adam: yeah and you’re like what would happen if i jumped out would it just suck me to the bottom yeah there’s no quicksand yeah and there’s no fish in there that’s quicksand friend yeah don’t fish don’t fish the arm don’t fish the rat tail of rose there’s one final way into rose lake and that’s if you come in from remix on a chariot on a jet ski you can bust your way up the arrow river and then you can hammer around in the north end of rose yeah you know i don’t know
[0:31:55 – 0:32:08] Erik: Yeah, you can hammer the jet ski down from Remix and taunt all the Bon Jovi’s campers on the American side with your jet ski because technically the Canadian side of Rose, there are no motor restrictions.
[0:32:09 – 0:32:12] Erik: You’re pretty much in a hole if you do that.
[0:32:14 – 0:32:15] Erik: Here we go.
[0:32:15 – 0:32:16] Erik: We’re testing it out.
[0:32:16 – 0:32:22] Erik: I specifically said we should test out a new swear bleep this week.
[0:32:22 – 0:32:24] Adam: I think I can do a better loon than that.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:28 – 0:32:30] Adam: That was quite terrible.
[0:32:30 – 0:32:33] Erik: We’ll cut and splice that and that will be our new bleep for any swears.
[0:32:36 – 0:32:39] Adam: The terrible loon call.
[0:32:40 – 0:32:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:32:40 – 0:32:42] Adam: That’s what we should definitely cover up swears with.
[0:32:43 – 0:32:44] Adam: All right.
[0:32:44 – 0:32:53] Adam: So we got five, six campsites on the American side, plus there’s two real connoisseur campsites on the north side for jet skiers only.
[0:32:53 – 0:32:54] Adam: Yep.
[0:32:54 – 0:32:56] Adam: We’re going to start from the west as we always do.
[0:32:56 – 0:32:57] Adam: Always.
[0:32:57 – 0:32:58] Adam: From the west to the east.
[0:32:58 – 0:32:59] Adam: Campsite one.
[0:33:01 – 0:33:29] Erik: i’ll start you can do two okay campsite one is uh it’s got a nice gravelly kind of beach yeah i like these kinds of landings you can just put it anywhere it doesn’t matter just jump right out you can probably jump out like 10 yards offshore and just still be in like knee-deep water looks good you’re right on the edge of the rat tail here so it’s just starting to get deep and nice over here so this is really you don’t want to honestly go any farther west than campsite one
[0:33:30 – 0:33:31] Adam: Unless you absolutely have to.
[0:33:31 – 0:33:31] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:32 – 0:33:41] Erik: But I don’t think you would really have much luck, if any, fishing from this campsite because the landing is so gradual.
[0:33:42 – 0:33:43] Erik: But the views are great.
[0:33:43 – 0:33:46] Erik: You can basically see down the whole length of the lake.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:48] Erik: The landing is about as good as it gets.
[0:33:49 – 0:33:49] Erik: Nice and easy.
[0:33:50 – 0:34:14] Erik: um i gave the i gave the landing an a fire great area a b overall it’s a b plus site i think as a site it is very nice if you’re looking to if you’re looking to fish probably not really the greatest you would probably have to put together like some kind of a world record cast to get a like a slip bobber out right beyond where the drop off is but
[0:34:14 – 0:34:17] Adam: Yeah, you’re just saying, you know, like fishing from camp.
[0:34:17 – 0:34:18] Adam: Probably no dice.
[0:34:18 – 0:34:19] Erik: No fishing from camp options here.
[0:34:20 – 0:34:20] Adam: So what?
[0:34:21 – 0:34:23] Erik: But it’s a really nice site.
[0:34:23 – 0:34:25] Erik: One of my favorites on the lake, honestly.
[0:34:26 – 0:34:27] Erik: And three to four tent pads.
[0:34:27 – 0:34:29] Adam: Yeah, you’re not going to see a lot of people down there.
[0:34:30 – 0:34:32] Adam: Not a lot of people are seeking the rat tail.
[0:34:32 – 0:34:37] Adam: Most people are going right after they hit the bottom of the falls, you know, so…
[0:34:38 – 0:34:41] Adam: Yeah, if you end up on Rose 1, how do you do?
[0:34:41 – 0:34:43] Adam: It’s a pretty nice spot.
[0:34:43 – 0:34:45] Adam: The base of the rat tail.
[0:34:45 – 0:34:47] Adam: Honestly, looking at these pictures, I want to go down there.
[0:34:47 – 0:34:51] Adam: I want to see this again because it’s been a while and that looks like a really nice site.
[0:34:52 – 0:34:52] Erik: It is a nice spot.
[0:34:52 – 0:34:53] Adam: It’s ideal.
[0:34:54 – 0:34:55] Adam: I bet there’s a lot of grouse down there.
[0:34:56 – 0:34:56] Erik: Probably.
[0:34:57 – 0:34:59] Adam: All right, moving back down to the east.
[0:35:00 – 0:35:04] Adam: We’re in Rose 2, and this is right below the falls, basically.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:05] Adam: Yes.
[0:35:05 – 0:35:08] Adam: It’s about 185 feet deep directly off the campsite.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:09] Adam: You can definitely go swimming.
[0:35:10 – 0:35:12] Erik: That is a nice swimming and jumping area.
[0:35:13 – 0:35:13] Adam: Oh, it’s a beauty.
[0:35:14 – 0:35:16] Adam: I’ve ice fished right off this thing, and…
[0:35:16 – 0:35:21] Adam: Never camped here in the open water, but several large pine trees.
[0:35:22 – 0:35:22] Adam: Beautiful.
[0:35:24 – 0:35:26] Adam: You are directly below Rose Falls, however.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:28] Adam: Yes.
[0:35:28 – 0:35:29] Adam: So there’s that.
[0:35:29 – 0:35:33] Erik: During the summer, that can be a little crowded for you.
[0:35:33 – 0:35:34] Adam: We’ve given the landing a C-.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:36] Adam: It’s a little rough.
[0:35:37 – 0:35:40] Adam: Yeah, it’s a little rough, but, you know, it’s okay.
[0:35:40 – 0:35:40] Adam: It’s manageable.
[0:35:41 – 0:35:44] Adam: The fire grade area is an A, absolutely.
[0:35:44 – 0:35:52] Adam: It sits up perched above the lake quite a bit here on a nice cliff, and you have just amazing views down to the east.
[0:35:53 – 0:35:56] Adam: And the overall grade is a B+.
[0:35:56 – 0:35:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:58] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:00 – 0:36:02] Adam: Small tent pads maybe, but who cares?
[0:36:02 – 0:36:03] Adam: You’re right below.
[0:36:04 – 0:36:07] Adam: You can listen to Rose Falls while you sleep on those small tent pads.
[0:36:08 – 0:36:08] Adam: Which is very cool.
[0:36:08 – 0:36:10] Adam: So, yeah, not a bad thing.
[0:36:11 – 0:36:12] Adam: A lot of big trees.
[0:36:13 – 0:36:14] Adam: Just overall super cool.
[0:36:15 – 0:36:15] Adam: Can’t beat it.
[0:36:16 – 0:36:19] Adam: You probably can, but you’re pretty lucky.
[0:36:19 – 0:36:20] Adam: I don’t know how many times…
[0:36:21 – 0:36:24] Adam: In the summer, I’ve gone over there and seen that empty.
[0:36:24 – 0:36:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:24 – 0:36:29] Adam: It’s kind of like Clearwater 5 or the Little Caribou site.
[0:36:30 – 0:36:30] Adam: It’s always full.
[0:36:31 – 0:36:33] Adam: But if you get it, blessed day.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:37] Erik: Blessed is the day.
[0:36:38 – 0:36:40] Erik: Rose Lake campsite number three.
[0:36:41 – 0:36:43] Erik: This one is kind of unassuming.
[0:36:44 – 0:36:49] Erik: From the water, you know, it’s just a little, again, shallow landing.
[0:36:50 – 0:36:53] Erik: Probably not really great fishing.
[0:36:53 – 0:36:56] Adam: What’s with that dead tree in the middle of the landing with a face on it?
[0:36:56 – 0:36:57] Adam: That’s crazy.
[0:36:58 – 0:36:59] Erik: Is that a witch tree?
[0:36:59 – 0:37:00] Erik: It’s a weirwood.
[0:37:00 – 0:37:02] Adam: So there is a witch tree.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:03] Adam: There might be a weirwood.
[0:37:03 – 0:37:09] Adam: You may be able to tap into some sort of portal into the root structure.
[0:37:09 – 0:37:10] Adam: But otherwise…
[0:37:11 – 0:37:12] Erik: Don’t worry.
[0:37:12 – 0:37:26] Erik: The landing, some of the tent pad situations are all greatly made up for by what I think is one of the finest…
[0:37:28 – 0:37:29] Adam: That is well-framed.
[0:37:29 – 0:37:30] Adam: Yes.
[0:37:31 – 0:37:34] Erik: I mean, it’s almost like it was meant to be.
[0:37:35 – 0:37:51] Erik: The fire grate area with a nice open view to the north, the Arrow Lake cliffs, the Logan intrusion showing itself, the majority of Rose Lake nicely…
[0:37:52 – 0:37:57] Erik: From a little perch, about 10, 15, maybe even 20 feet up off the water.
[0:37:58 – 0:38:05] Erik: Completely makes up for, it’s sort of a little, you know, kind of a shallow-y, rocky landing.
[0:38:05 – 0:38:07] Erik: So what, that just means you get to wade out more.
[0:38:08 – 0:38:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:08 – 0:38:19] Erik: And again, not really much fishing opportunities from campsite number three, but that fire grade area is supreme.
[0:38:19 – 0:38:20] Erik: That is divine.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:21] Erik: Divine.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:21] Erik: Yes.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:23] Erik: A minus.
[0:38:23 – 0:38:25] Erik: The fire grade area is rated as an A plus.
[0:38:25 – 0:38:27] Erik: Basically brings everything up.
[0:38:27 – 0:38:29] Adam: Beyond category fire grade area.
[0:38:30 – 0:38:31] Erik: That’s a special, special spot.
[0:38:32 – 0:38:32] Adam: Yes.
[0:38:33 – 0:38:54] Adam: all right rows four uh we got three tent pads another very fine fire grade area with a great view an a on that fire grade area no doubt uh the the rocky landing and you got a bit of a short haul into the campsite but once you’re in there it’s a nice flat spot so
[0:38:54 – 0:38:56] Adam: The landing gets a bit of a rough grade.
[0:38:57 – 0:38:59] Adam: The fire grade area is nice.
[0:39:00 – 0:39:07] Adam: And once again, sitting on the south shore there, Rose, you’re going to have beautiful views all day.
[0:39:07 – 0:39:07] Adam: Nice big views.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:08] Adam: Oh, boy.
[0:39:09 – 0:39:10] Adam: Nice big pines.
[0:39:10 – 0:39:10] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:12 – 0:39:13] Erik: Seems like Rose Lake’s…
[0:39:13 – 0:39:16] Erik: The campsites on Rose, all about the views.
[0:39:16 – 0:39:20] Adam: Yeah, and ideal, most of them, for bigger groups, no problem.
[0:39:20 – 0:39:24] Adam: So this one gets an overall grade of a B+, well-deserved.
[0:39:24 – 0:39:30] Adam: You know, if you miss out on three, you just keep paddling a short ways and you’re into four there.
[0:39:30 – 0:39:36] Adam: Also, moving into five, I mean, that whole south shore is loaded.
[0:39:36 – 0:39:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:38 – 0:39:39] Erik: We have, I would say…
[0:39:41 – 0:40:00] Erik: above average campsites on rows generally it is outside of poor landings the trend of campsites on rows with poor landings but excellent fire greats continues with this spot from the landing you must climb there’s a steep set of steps to get to the actual site which is large and flat
[0:40:01 – 0:40:14] Erik: Yeah, again, little stairs going up there to not nearly as much of an expansive view as some of the sites previously mentioned, but tons of open space in there.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:20] Erik: Tent and hammock space, at least three pads.
[0:40:21 – 0:40:25] Erik: Trees, seems like an endless number of options there for hammocks.
[0:40:27 – 0:40:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:40:27 – 0:40:29] Erik: So campsite five, overall B minus.
[0:40:30 – 0:40:35] Erik: I think the lack of a view combined with maybe a little bit of a tougher landing.
[0:40:36 – 0:40:50] Erik: Although when I was out there a couple of falls ago doing these campsite reviews, it looked like somebody had been attempting to assemble some kind of a little marina slash Bachman Turner overdrive stage thing.
[0:40:51 – 0:40:54] Erik: I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing or why people do that.
[0:40:55 – 0:41:00] Erik: But, you know, if the wind’s coming from the right direction, maybe that little rock marina would be helpful.
[0:41:00 – 0:41:01] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:41:02 – 0:41:02] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:41:02 – 0:41:06] Adam: Seems like a lot of effort for something that’s not really that useful.
[0:41:07 – 0:41:07] Erik: Exactly.
[0:41:07 – 0:41:11] Erik: Because I think without it, that landing, I mean, it looks like relatively gradual.
[0:41:12 – 0:41:13] Erik: Probably mostly just in the way.
[0:41:15 – 0:41:15] Erik: Another PSA.
[0:41:17 – 0:41:45] Adam: unless it’s absolutely necessary do not build rock piers out into the lake or fish cribs for that matter the campsite will be fine without you yeah finally rose lake campsite number six this one um this is a fine photo it’s just yeah wrecked big white pine uh tipped back into the camp with some wow it doesn’t really look like a campsite honestly this no not from the water
[0:41:47 – 0:41:48] Adam: I’ll just read this one verbatim.
[0:41:49 – 0:41:58] Adam: Though still a serviceable campsite, this might be the only campsite in Rose Lake that I would not recommend, mainly because of the effects of a windstorm in 2016.
[0:41:58 – 0:42:02] Adam: Multiple large downed trees have blocked views and the tent pads.
[0:42:02 – 0:42:03] Adam: Well, that explains it then.
[0:42:03 – 0:42:07] Adam: It’s a C, it’s a C, and it’s a C across the board.
[0:42:08 – 0:42:13] Adam: The fire grate still looks pretty decent, but yeah, there’s a lot of stuff down.
[0:42:13 – 0:42:34] Erik: Yeah, the fire grate area is nice and open, but basically beyond that, unless you want to camp immediately adjacent to the fire grate, the landing and the other tent pads in the area have been kind of… Commandeered?
[0:42:34 – 0:42:35] Erik: Messed up.
[0:42:36 – 0:42:39] Erik: Jacked up by huge pines that have come down.
[0:42:39 – 0:42:41] Adam: Listen, fam, this thing’s wrecked.
[0:42:41 – 0:42:42] Adam: Just avoid six.
[0:42:42 – 0:42:43] Adam: Yeah.
[0:42:43 – 0:42:44] Adam: Go for the first five.
[0:42:45 – 0:42:47] Adam: Should we briefly touch on the two on the Canadian side?
[0:42:47 – 0:42:49] Adam: Yeah, definitely.
[0:42:49 – 0:42:51] Adam: Yeah, so it’s Canadian fun time.
[0:42:51 – 0:42:58] Adam: If you notice any Fisher map, at least they show two marked campsites on the north side there on the northeast side.
[0:43:01 – 0:43:03] Adam: Big red dots over there.
[0:43:03 – 0:43:07] Adam: On the two main points up there, we’ve been to both of them.
[0:43:08 – 0:43:10] Adam: I think the number one thing I noticed was they are amazing.
[0:43:10 – 0:43:12] Adam: There’s these huge rock points.
[0:43:12 – 0:43:13] Adam: Pretty cool.
[0:43:13 – 0:43:20] Adam: I think the one farther to the east is even nicer than the one to the west just because it’s a little less used maybe.
[0:43:20 – 0:43:21] Adam: I don’t know what they were.
[0:43:21 – 0:43:25] Adam: Maybe old places for having a shore lunch or something.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:27] Adam: People probably were camping there.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:28] Adam: I’m not sure.
[0:43:29 – 0:43:40] Erik: They seem like more natural campsites than any… Well, maybe campsite two and then the two on the Canadian side seem like natural… Like the old-timey… Like Voyager campsites.
[0:43:40 – 0:43:44] Adam: Where you might find an old piece of clay pottery that’s undateable.
[0:43:44 – 0:43:45] Adam: Who knows?
[0:43:45 – 0:43:46] Adam: Pottery shirts.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:47 – 0:43:51] Adam: I remember seeing on one of them, though, there was like literally just like a toilet seat.
[0:43:52 – 0:43:52] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:43:52 – 0:43:54] Adam: Just drilled into the side of a tree.
[0:43:54 – 0:43:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:43:55 – 0:43:58] Adam: Like you just sit there and then I don’t know what.
[0:43:59 – 0:44:00] Erik: Well, yeah, I think you probably…
[0:44:00 – 0:44:02] Erik: Put it in the chute?
[0:44:02 – 0:44:02] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[0:44:03 – 0:44:03] Adam: What are they doing?
[0:44:04 – 0:44:05] Adam: I just don’t understand the style.
[0:44:05 – 0:44:11] Adam: There’s usually like an old fire grate, like a foldable fire grate just leaned up against a tree on these kinds of sites.
[0:44:12 – 0:44:13] Adam: Who knows?
[0:44:13 – 0:44:15] Adam: So we had talked about it in the past.
[0:44:15 – 0:44:17] Adam: You guys ended up there on one of your first trips…
[0:44:18 – 0:44:19] Adam: You have to take one of these.
[0:44:19 – 0:44:21] Erik: My very first trip, actually.
[0:44:21 – 0:44:23] Adam: You could have a much worse sight.
[0:44:23 – 0:44:24] Adam: They’re fine sights.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:26] Adam: You end up over there.
[0:44:26 – 0:44:27] Adam: You end up over there.
[0:44:27 – 0:44:29] Erik: Yeah, it was like early August.
[0:44:29 – 0:44:31] Erik: You would assume footloose, fancy free.
[0:44:31 – 0:44:33] Erik: What, is it going to be like 80 and calm?
[0:44:34 – 0:44:35] Erik: I don’t have to worry about anything.
[0:44:36 – 0:44:36] Erik: I’m in high school.
[0:44:37 – 0:44:50] Erik: And then we get out there and it’s like one of those systems that comes through where it gets down to like 55 and it’s blowing out of the northwest and it’s like kind of intermittently sprinkling and blowing.
[0:44:51 – 0:44:52] Erik: We weren’t prepared for that at all.
[0:44:52 – 0:44:55] Adam: Probably not ideal if you end up on one of those two sites.
[0:44:55 – 0:44:56] Adam: You’re probably not planning on it.
[0:44:57 – 0:44:57] Adam: No.
[0:44:57 – 0:44:59] Adam: You’re maybe not even permitted for it.
[0:45:00 – 0:45:01] Adam: Well, that was the thing.
[0:45:01 – 0:45:05] Adam: I don’t know that anybody’s going to really give you hell about it, but they’re there.
[0:45:05 – 0:45:07] Adam: If you need to know about it, they’re there.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:09] Adam: And if you have the fish maps, you’ll see it.
[0:45:09 – 0:45:11] Adam: Now, what’s with this border route?
[0:45:11 – 0:45:13] Adam: There’s a triangle site here.
[0:45:13 – 0:45:14] Adam: That’s not really a site.
[0:45:15 – 0:45:18] Erik: Yeah, I can never…
[0:45:19 – 0:45:21] Adam: In between five and six, it shows a little triangle site.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:24] Erik: Yeah, in between five and six, there is a little triangle on the map, and I think basically…
[0:45:24 – 0:45:26] Erik: Which is a border route site indicator, but…
[0:45:26 – 0:45:34] Erik: I think basically what it is is number five is a border route trail site.
[0:45:34 – 0:45:34] Erik: Or six.
[0:45:34 – 0:45:34] Erik: Or six.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:35] Erik: No, five.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:36] Erik: Six is for sure not.
[0:45:36 – 0:45:43] Erik: I think it’s campsite five is technically up in the woods and it intersects with the border route trail.
[0:45:43 – 0:45:44] Adam: Oh, okay.
[0:45:44 – 0:45:45] Adam: It kind of shows that maybe the six.
[0:45:46 – 0:45:51] Erik: It kind of makes it seem like there is an additional site, but I think it’s basically just campsite five.
[0:45:51 – 0:45:52] Erik: It’s just an indicator.
[0:45:53 – 0:45:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:53 – 0:45:53] Erik: I see.
[0:45:53 – 0:46:16] Adam: okay yeah so there you have it those are all the campsites on rose yeah um you know stay out of the rat tail it’s a pretty sweet lake overall um we’re happy to get to it uh i hope everybody goes out and tries to get there it’s a great place to visit and enjoy yeah do you want to talk about fishing yeah we should talk about the fishing now
[0:46:16 – 0:46:28] Erik: So yeah, beyond, besides staying out of the rat tail, as previously mentioned, it is basically a two mile, it’s beautiful.
[0:46:28 – 0:46:35] Erik: I mean, the South shore is steep, big, big pine, big Aspen, big birch, especially in the fall.
[0:46:36 – 0:46:43] Erik: But the waters are basically like a dead sea, like six to 10 feet deep, kind of a mucky bottom.
[0:46:44 – 0:46:44] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:44 – 0:46:48] Adam: But starting from about campsite one… A lot of bream out there.
[0:46:48 – 0:46:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:49 – 0:46:53] Erik: Sweet, sweet bream fishing in the rat tail of Rose.
[0:46:53 – 0:46:54] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:54 – 0:46:58] Erik: But, yeah, I mean, even campsite one, it’s a little tough.
[0:46:58 – 0:47:06] Erik: You pretty much got to start about halfway between one and two before you get to any real depth in terms of fishing.
[0:47:08 – 0:47:09] Erik: And the lake itself…
[0:47:11 – 0:47:19] Erik: Not really the greatest overall fishing lake, but smallmouth bass, if you’re a smallmouth bass fisherman.
[0:47:19 – 0:47:21] Erik: There’s one or two in there.
[0:47:21 – 0:47:23] Erik: There’s a couple of smallies in there.
[0:47:23 – 0:47:25] Erik: Just one or two, yeah.
[0:47:25 – 0:47:27] Erik: And still a few lake trout.
[0:47:28 – 0:47:29] Erik: A bluegill or two.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:31] Adam: Bluegill?
[0:47:31 – 0:47:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:32 – 0:47:33] Erik: I don’t know what the…
[0:47:33 – 0:47:35] Erik: Thanks a lot, Canada.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:39] Erik: I don’t know what the rainbow smelt situation is there, but those have apparently been netted.
[0:47:40 – 0:47:40] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:47:41 – 0:47:46] Erik: The overall status of the fishery according to the Minnesota DNR.
[0:47:46 – 0:47:48] Adam: White sucker and yellow perch.
[0:47:48 – 0:47:49] Erik: Yeah, yellow perch.
[0:47:50 – 0:47:51] Adam: And white fish.
[0:47:51 – 0:47:55] Erik: It seems like it’s mostly smallmouth bass like to me at this point.
[0:47:56 – 0:48:00] Adam: Smallmouth bass are abundant and good numbers of larger fish are present.
[0:48:01 – 0:48:01] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:02 – 0:48:05] Adam: It says lake trout are abundant presently.
[0:48:05 – 0:48:06] Adam: Wait, I read that wrong.
[0:48:06 – 0:48:08] Erik: Lake trout abundance is presently low.
[0:48:08 – 0:48:10] Adam: That’s a funny way of saying that.
[0:48:10 – 0:48:11] Adam: Yeah, right.
[0:48:11 – 0:48:11] Adam: It is.
[0:48:12 – 0:48:15] Adam: Using the word abundance to describe something that is not abundant.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:16] Adam: Cut out the abundance.
[0:48:16 – 0:48:17] Adam: Very government-y.
[0:48:17 – 0:48:18] Adam: Very government-y.
[0:48:19 – 0:48:21] Erik: Well, it doesn’t help that every letter is capitalized.
[0:48:21 – 0:48:22] Erik: I think so.
[0:48:22 – 0:48:24] Adam: Why are you yelling at me, status of the fishery?
[0:48:24 – 0:48:30] Erik: It seems like somebody was typing this into some kind of a Dell laptop out in the field.
[0:48:30 – 0:48:31] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:31 – 0:48:32] Adam: Pounding them out.
[0:48:32 – 0:48:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:33 – 0:48:34] Erik: Pound the keys.
[0:48:35 – 0:48:39] Erik: You’ll catch plenty of smallmouth bass, especially right below where the falls come out.
[0:48:40 – 0:48:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:40 – 0:48:43] Erik: I mean, you could sit there just casting all day long.
[0:48:43 – 0:48:44] Erik: Endless bass.
[0:48:45 – 0:48:45] Adam: Endless bass.
[0:48:47 – 0:48:51] Erik: I mean, besides that, really, I mean…
[0:48:51 – 0:48:53] Adam: I’ve heard there’s really nice whitefish.
[0:48:54 – 0:48:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:54 – 0:48:55] Adam: Never caught one.
[0:48:55 – 0:48:56] Erik: Neither have I.
[0:48:56 – 0:49:00] Adam: But, I mean, it shows them being there, but it’s a big lake.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:05] Adam: And it’s really hard to get there and really put in significant fishing time.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:07] Adam: So, who knows?
[0:49:07 – 0:49:09] Erik: It’s a beautiful lake to get skunked on.
[0:49:10 – 0:49:13] Erik: It’s a beautiful lake to catch smallmouth bass on.
[0:49:14 – 0:49:21] Erik: It’s honestly not really a lake that I would target in terms of any real fishing.
[0:49:21 – 0:49:45] Adam: gotta see this last line of the status oh yeah a healthy yellow perch population is present providing a few fish of a size acceptable to anglers and forage for smallmouth bass and remnant remnant walleye wow remnant walleye is that the name of this week’s episode yeah it should be when are they remnants from
[0:49:47 – 0:49:48] Erik: Way back when.
[0:49:48 – 0:49:49] Erik: The old days.
[0:49:49 – 0:49:50] Adam: The olden times.
[0:49:51 – 0:49:52] Adam: Days of yore.
[0:49:53 – 0:49:55] Erik: Do you have anything else to say about Rose?
[0:49:56 – 0:50:01] Adam: Well, for sure get there for a day trip and check out the overlook and the falls.
[0:50:02 – 0:50:06] Adam: And if you have more time, it’s definitely worth going and camping for a night or two.
[0:50:07 – 0:50:11] Adam: And, you know, there’s some big fish in there.
[0:50:12 – 0:50:15] Adam: Just you’re not likely to, like, run into huge numbers.
[0:50:16 – 0:50:39] Adam: remnant is that fair yeah i think that’s totally fair i mean like a blown smoke about the fish numbers like take a duncan permit run in there and hit rose for a couple nights and then maybe get crazy and go all the way to rove or back into daniels as sort of a loop back to west bearskin that’s a sweet route yeah um all all together beautiful lake gotta see it it’s a must see
[0:50:40 – 0:50:50] Erik: I think if there was ever a time where somebody came to me and was like, hey, I’m dying.
[0:50:51 – 0:50:52] Erik: I’m from Arizona.
[0:50:54 – 0:51:03] Erik: And I want to get the Boundary Waters experience, the feeling of what it is.
[0:51:04 – 0:51:05] Erik: And I only have a day.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:07] Erik: I only have one day to do it.
[0:51:07 – 0:51:08] Erik: I can’t go over tonight.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:12] Erik: I can’t paddle more than a few hours.
[0:51:12 – 0:51:14] Erik: But I want to see what the big deal is.
[0:51:14 – 0:51:15] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:51:16 – 0:51:35] Erik: And based on the majority of the park that I’ve seen, I think even if it wasn’t the proximity that I have to it and maybe the potential bias, I think that’s one of the greatest day trips that you can take to just get a general feel for what the Bonge Waters has to offer.
[0:51:35 – 0:51:45] Adam: Yeah, you can basically go to Rose Falls and see the overlooks with like one legit portage, some reasonable paddling, and you just get the majesty of the place.
[0:51:45 – 0:51:45] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:51:46 – 0:51:47] Adam: It’s pretty great.
[0:51:47 – 0:51:51] Erik: Yeah, you get a little bit of that feeling of, hey, I poured it to get here.
[0:51:51 – 0:51:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:52 – 0:51:54] Erik: I had to work a little bit.
[0:51:55 – 0:52:00] Erik: And you get that feeling of being sort of into the wilderness.
[0:52:01 – 0:52:11] Erik: And then you get that falls with nice hiking and almost uninterrupted view of the lake and into Canada.
[0:52:12 – 0:52:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:52:13 – 0:52:14] Adam: It’s pretty incredible.
[0:52:14 – 0:52:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:52:15 – 0:52:17] Erik: Hopefully there’s not a jet ski or two out there.
[0:52:17 – 0:52:18] Adam: Yeah, whatever.
[0:52:18 – 0:52:19] Adam: Even if you see one, it’s kind of funny.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:20] Adam: You’re like, what?
[0:52:20 – 0:52:22] Adam: I’m in the Boundary Waters and there’s a jet ski.
[0:52:23 – 0:52:23] Adam: Yeah.
[0:52:23 – 0:52:23] Adam: So what?
[0:52:24 – 0:52:26] Erik: It’s almost the perfect day trip, I think.
[0:52:27 – 0:52:28] Adam: It pretty much is.
[0:52:28 – 0:52:29] Adam: There you have it.
[0:52:30 – 0:52:32] Adam: Check it out as a perfect day trip.
[0:52:33 – 0:52:34] Adam: It’s a real game changer.
[0:52:35 – 0:52:35] Erik: Yep.
[0:52:38 – 0:52:38] Adam: All right.
[0:52:38 – 0:52:42] Adam: So the little light is blinking on the answering machine.
[0:52:42 – 0:52:44] Adam: Does that mean what I think it means?
[0:52:44 – 0:52:51] Erik: I think that means somebody was called in to the tumble home answering machine.
[0:52:52 – 0:52:53] Erik: Let’s listen.
[0:52:55 – 0:52:56] Pete: Hello, Eric and Adam.
[0:52:56 – 0:52:58] Pete: This is Pete from Iowa.
[0:52:59 – 0:52:59] Pete: Just calling.
[0:53:00 – 0:53:07] Pete: First of all, I needed to make sure that you had saved some beers from Paul in payment for my royalties of your sponsorship.
[0:53:07 – 0:53:09] Pete: So just want to get that one out of the way.
[0:53:10 – 0:53:13] Pete: Also, until someone starts calling in on this hotline,
[0:53:13 – 0:53:22] Pete: It might as well be Pete’s ponderings, Pete’s point of view, Pete’s postulates, Pete’s perspectives.
[0:53:22 – 0:53:27] Pete: The possibilities are really endless, but there’s just a few suggestions for you.
[0:53:28 – 0:53:29] Pete: I did have a question.
[0:53:30 – 0:53:37] Pete: I’m curious to know what your most ambitious or overly zealous trip may be.
[0:53:38 – 0:53:48] Pete: I’m a big fan, and for me, memories are created much more and held and remembered with mishaps.
[0:53:48 – 0:53:54] Pete: I’ve been known in some groups as Persecution Pete for my ambitious trips.
[0:53:55 – 0:54:00] Pete: One that comes to mind would be the first trip I took with my wife.
[0:54:01 – 0:54:05] Pete: We were just going to do a day trip, and I thought I would be the heroic husband of
[0:54:06 – 0:54:12] Pete: and carry the canoe and the pack and the oars, just leaving her with the fishing poles to carry.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:20] Pete: We set out around noon, got on the water, and did a 17-mile loop.
[0:54:21 – 0:54:28] Pete: And one problem I did not think of was what we would do if we caught fish and wanted to bring them back.
[0:54:28 – 0:54:33] Pete: So I had my wife carry the fishing poles and the fish back on the portages.
[0:54:34 – 0:54:35] Pete: I think we had about…
[0:54:36 – 0:54:44] Pete: A thousand rods of portage that day and got to 160 rod portage near the end of our trip.
[0:54:44 – 0:54:50] Pete: And I had gotten the canoe in the water and was waiting and waiting and wondering where my wife was.
[0:54:51 – 0:55:04] Pete: So I headed back on the trail and found my wife sitting on a rock in tears, crying at me only to be greeted by a stringer full of fish slapped in my face and
[0:55:05 – 0:55:11] Pete: with the crying wife turning to me and demanding that I carry my stupid fish.
[0:55:12 – 0:55:19] Pete: So that would be one story that comes to mind of a mishap and perhaps a little bit overly ambitious trip.
[0:55:19 – 0:55:28] Pete: But I’m curious to hear from you and from other listeners what their overly ambitious or maybe mishaps have been in the Boundary Waters.
[0:55:28 – 0:55:30] Pete: Those seem to be the memories that are made.
[0:55:31 – 0:55:33] Pete: Anyway, I know this was a little windy, but
[0:55:34 – 0:55:36] Pete: Once again, appreciate you guys’ podcast.
[0:55:36 – 0:55:37] Pete: Think you’re doing a fine job.
[0:55:37 – 0:55:38] Pete: Keep up the great work.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:39] Pete: Bye.
[0:55:41 – 0:55:41] Erik: All right.
[0:55:43 – 0:55:45] Erik: I think Pete has a point.
[0:55:47 – 0:55:48] Erik: Perfunctory point.
[0:55:48 – 0:55:49] Erik: Perfunctory.
[0:55:49 – 0:55:54] Erik: I think for now, unless we get some…
[0:55:54 – 0:55:55] Adam: It’s the Pete line.
[0:55:55 – 0:55:58] Erik: Yeah, unless we get some other people calling in, I think it’s the Pete hotline.
[0:55:59 – 0:56:01] Erik: Pete’s perspective…
[0:56:02 – 0:56:03] Erik: He’s got a nice voice.
[0:56:04 – 0:56:05] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:56:05 – 0:56:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:07] Adam: I like the cut of his jib.
[0:56:07 – 0:56:08] Erik: He’s got a nice…
[0:56:08 – 0:56:08] Adam: I like his style.
[0:56:09 – 0:56:09] Erik: A nice jib.
[0:56:10 – 0:56:11] Erik: Thanks, Pete, for calling in.
[0:56:11 – 0:56:12] Erik: Thanks again.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:13] Erik: Yeah, it is…
[0:56:13 – 0:56:15] Erik: I’m going to… First thing…
[0:56:17 – 0:56:18] Erik: Get the opportunity.
[0:56:18 – 0:56:22] Erik: I will be changing the message that you hear.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:26] Erik: It is currently Pete’s perspective.
[0:56:27 – 0:56:28] Erik: Call on in.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:33] Erik: I’m just going to basically the message that you will receive if you call.
[0:56:33 – 0:56:35] Erik: If your name is Pete, then you can leave a message.
[0:56:35 – 0:56:37] Adam: Leave a message after the beep.
[0:56:37 – 0:56:38] Adam: If you’re not Pete, then get lost.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:40] Erik: Yeah, if you’re not Pete, no, no.
[0:56:41 – 0:56:41] Erik: Don’t discourage.
[0:56:41 – 0:56:42] Adam: Come on, guys.
[0:56:42 – 0:56:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:43 – 0:56:45] Erik: Don’t let Pete have all the glory here.
[0:56:45 – 0:56:50] Erik: I mean, I’m going to be shipping him two warm beers in the mail tomorrow.
[0:56:50 – 0:56:52] Adam: Yeah, we saved you two warm beers.
[0:56:52 – 0:56:53] Adam: We didn’t drink them all.
[0:56:53 – 0:56:54] Adam: Don’t worry.
[0:56:55 – 0:56:55] Adam: They’re on your way.
[0:56:56 – 0:56:57] Adam: Thank you for your efforts.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:02] Adam: So, yeah, pretty brave of them to share that story.
[0:57:02 – 0:57:03] Adam: That is a good story.
[0:57:03 – 0:57:04] Adam: Slapping the face with the fish.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:06] Adam: I mean, that’s happened.
[0:57:07 – 0:57:11] Adam: I’m sure that’s happened to other people before, not naming names.
[0:57:11 – 0:57:21] Adam: But sometimes, you know, when you’re carrying fish and it’s a hot day maybe, I don’t know, it’s not the most pleasant of jobs to carry the fish.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:22] Erik: They are heavy.
[0:57:22 – 0:57:26] Erik: I mean, if you get a couple of them on the stringer, nasty.
[0:57:26 – 0:57:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:57:26 – 0:57:30] Adam: Yeah, so she was probably in the right there.
[0:57:31 – 0:57:33] Adam: But, you know, thank you for sharing and being honest.
[0:57:34 – 0:57:43] Erik: I’ve got a couple of, I mean, I think we’ve talked over the course of the last couple weeks about some of the bigger day trips that we’ve gone on to.
[0:57:44 – 0:57:44] Erik: Right.
[0:57:44 – 0:57:46] Adam: I don’t think any of them… We always talk about our successes.
[0:57:46 – 0:57:48] Adam: We never really talk about our failures.
[0:57:48 – 0:57:50] Adam: Maybe we should spend more time on those.
[0:57:51 – 0:57:53] Erik: Those have always been really successful.
[0:57:53 – 0:57:59] Erik: A couple that come to mind that have been ambitious yet ended in…
[0:58:01 – 0:58:11] Erik: if not failure, a moment of reflection that caused you to consider maybe never doing it again.
[0:58:13 – 0:58:19] Erik: The first one, down the same river actually, one with my wife and one with you.
[0:58:20 – 0:58:21] Erik: The Brule River.
[0:58:21 – 0:58:23] Erik: Not necessarily in the Boundary Waters.
[0:58:23 – 0:58:23] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:58:24 – 0:58:25] Erik: But I do have a Brule River.
[0:58:26 – 0:58:26] Erik: Yes.
[0:58:26 – 0:58:32] Erik: We started from the bridge that crosses the Gunflint Trail.
[0:58:33 – 0:58:34] Erik: Got dropped off.
[0:58:35 – 0:58:37] Erik: Actually, we dropped a canoe and then dropped a vehicle.
[0:58:38 – 0:59:02] Erik: at a bridge that we were going to paddle to about mid-july about this time of year actually it was yeah um well that is that’s the second one i’m starting with the one talking about the upper rule i’m talking about this and somebody asked me about that route the other day they’re like what’s up with this yeah there’s a couple portages i was like actually i know somebody who did that yeah so it’s crazy enough to try that yeah the brew don’t do it in the middle of summer i was like you got to go early
[0:59:02 – 0:59:24] Erik: yeah that that brule river stretch although it looks nice from the gunflint trail quickly peters out into a quickly peats out pizza yeah into basically like six to ten inches of water and boulders and rocks and you’re just kind of walking and dragging a canoe through a
[0:59:26 – 0:59:51] Erik: just a mess and it’s not really that fun and it’s especially not fun when you just press on and you what more can you do about press on well you’re gonna go back upstream well it if you press on beyond the pace that your wife is setting and she feels like you are abandoning her that’s when you should maybe not press on as hard no boy no yeah
[0:59:52 – 1:00:00] Erik: There are a couple of little falls in that stretch where you kind of have to make your own portage.
[1:00:02 – 1:00:15] Erik: The amount of actual paddling that we were able to do that day was probably in the single digit percentage versus the amount of time that we were just dragging a canoe across boulders.
[1:00:16 – 1:00:18] Adam: Well, yeah, that’s just no fun when you get into that.
[1:00:18 – 1:00:22] Adam: But I mean, until you go and try it, how do you know?
[1:00:22 – 1:00:22] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[1:00:23 – 1:00:24] Adam: That’s what, you know.
[1:00:24 – 1:00:32] Erik: But like Pete said, those are the, that’s a sharply memorable, very vivid memory.
[1:00:32 – 1:00:34] Adam: The old dream route where you think it’s going to be great.
[1:00:34 – 1:00:34] Adam: Yeah.
[1:00:34 – 1:00:37] Adam: And then you get in there and you’re like, this is a mess.
[1:00:37 – 1:00:37] Erik: Yeah.
[1:00:38 – 1:00:39] Erik: And then there’s the…
[1:00:39 – 1:00:49] Adam: The Baker one comes to mind, where we talked about earlier, trying to find that old portage off of Rose up to Baker, and we just stumbled around the woods for a good two hours, like, is this it?
[1:00:49 – 1:00:52] Adam: This sort of looks like an open… Nope, this isn’t.
[1:00:53 – 1:00:55] Adam: Luckily, we had just left the canoe on the beach.
[1:00:55 – 1:00:56] Adam: Yeah, we didn’t try plunging a canoe into the woods.
[1:00:56 – 1:01:02] Adam: We didn’t try too hard on that one, but it was just another one where you’re like, looking for a portage that isn’t there, pretty disheartening.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:06] Adam: You know, hopefully you figure it out sooner rather than later.
[1:01:07 – 1:01:17] Erik: Yeah, but almost the exact opposite was the time we ran the Brule River during flood stage.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:21] Adam: Yeah, well, we’re professional whitewater rapids guides now.
[1:01:22 – 1:01:23] Erik: No, we weren’t then.
[1:01:23 – 1:01:24] Erik: We aren’t now.
[1:01:24 – 1:01:24] Erik: Still aren’t.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:25] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:27] Adam: We know nothing about whitewater.
[1:01:27 – 1:01:31] Erik: Yeah, I think it was the first summer that we had known each other.
[1:01:31 – 1:01:34] Adam: Yeah, I actually did a colored pencil drawing of this event.
[1:01:35 – 1:01:37] Adam: It still hangs on my wall in the study.
[1:01:37 – 1:01:38] Erik: The study?
[1:01:38 – 1:01:38] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:38 – 1:01:39] Erik: Next to the Solarium?
[1:01:40 – 1:01:42] Adam: Yeah, it’s over by the Conservatorium.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:45] Erik: Adjacent to the Solarium and library.
[1:01:46 – 1:01:46] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:46 – 1:01:48] Erik: There’s a spiral staircase in there.
[1:01:48 – 1:01:49] Adam: Oh, where’s that go?
[1:01:49 – 1:01:50] Adam: That’s odd.
[1:01:50 – 1:01:50] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:51 – 1:02:08] Erik: tune in next week uh so it had poured it was just like raining like crazy two three days straight two three days straight and we’re like you know hey uh i’ve kind of always wanted to try paddling the brule river it’s not you know it’d be a really good time to do it i’m sure the water’s high
[1:02:08 – 1:02:10] Erik: Yeah, now better than any time.
[1:02:10 – 1:02:10] Erik: Yeah.
[1:02:10 – 1:02:13] Erik: And so we hauled a Royal X canoe.
[1:02:13 – 1:02:16] Adam: I think you’d even told me about the previous trip where it was like super low water.
[1:02:16 – 1:02:16] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:16 – 1:02:17] Adam: It’s not fun.
[1:02:18 – 1:02:22] Adam: Just kind of dragging your stuff through the, you know, it’s like, okay, let’s go now.
[1:02:22 – 1:02:22] Erik: Yeah.
[1:02:22 – 1:02:24] Adam: They’re definitely not going to hit any rocks.
[1:02:24 – 1:02:25] Erik: All right.
[1:02:25 – 1:02:26] Erik: We didn’t hit any rocks.
[1:02:26 – 1:02:27] Adam: No, we did not.
[1:02:27 – 1:02:38] Erik: We tried putting it at one spot and it was like, I don’t know why we didn’t just heed the signs of basically the river being only a foot below a bridge that we wanted to put in at.
[1:02:38 – 1:02:40] Erik: We’re like, man, this looks kind of dangerous.
[1:02:40 – 1:02:42] Erik: Let’s put in a little bit down river.
[1:02:42 – 1:02:43] Erik: I’m sure it’ll be easier.
[1:02:44 – 1:02:44] Erik: Right.
[1:02:44 – 1:02:53] Erik: And so we basically put in right above the snowmobile bridge that goes across the river, the south arm of the Brule River.
[1:02:53 – 1:02:55] Adam: By the Greenwood Lake Road there.
[1:02:55 – 1:02:56] Erik: Coming up the Gunflint.
[1:02:56 – 1:03:00] Erik: You can just, you know, you can see the river that goes under the road.
[1:03:00 – 1:03:01] Erik: You can just barely see that bridge.
[1:03:02 – 1:03:06] Erik: And we put in, and within seconds, we were basically fighting for our lives.
[1:03:06 – 1:03:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:07 – 1:03:07] Adam: Wow.
[1:03:07 – 1:03:08] Adam: What were we doing?
[1:03:09 – 1:03:24] Erik: Empty canoe, no spray skirt, just being swept away and paddling as hard and as fast as we could to try to maintain some kind of a control over what was happening.
[1:03:24 – 1:03:30] Erik: And at one point we kind of like really tipped off to one side and actually like scooped some water into the boat.
[1:03:31 – 1:03:31] Erik: Right.
[1:03:31 – 1:03:36] Erik: And so then you get that water into the bottom of the boat that starts sloshing back and forth.
[1:03:36 – 1:03:37] Adam: That makes things worse.
[1:03:37 – 1:03:38] Adam: So much worse.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:38] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:39] Erik: The balance was way off.
[1:03:40 – 1:03:42] Adam: I had one where we like went to the left.
[1:03:43 – 1:03:43] Adam: I still remember this.
[1:03:44 – 1:03:51] Adam: I had like my paddle outstretched in my left arm and then like hugging the bottom of the canoe with my right hand.
[1:03:51 – 1:03:54] Adam: We were all sideways and then somehow like we tipped it back.
[1:03:55 – 1:03:59] Adam: But then at that point we were like half full of water going down this like chute.
[1:04:00 – 1:04:22] Erik: of mayhem it was a mayhem shoot and we had so much water in the canoe at one point i knew we needed to get off the the river but there was no it wasn’t like there’s no wreck there’s no requiem the water the water was so high that it was like up halfway on like little like saplings and trees yeah on the shoreline so we paddle up into the woods
[1:04:23 – 1:04:39] Erik: woods yeah we just plunged into like trees we just shut out like what the hell are we doing yeah what are we doing but it’s like okay well we can’t really portage out of here so we we just jammed the canoe into some trees flipped it over and got the water out and then 8 000 gallons of water in that canoe
[1:04:40 – 1:05:03] Erik: got back in and it was like okay like we had our five minutes of hot shot adrenaline and here we go again yeah and we got back in it a couple of turns a couple of bobs and then like before things calmed down we like we literally dropped down like a six foot waterfall but because the water was so high it was just like kind of a little like flew over it like
[1:05:03 – 1:05:15] Erik: hey yeah like any other time of the year we would have been just like crashing through rocks so it was kind of like a blessing and a curse to be paddling the water it was foolish and fortuitous
[1:05:16 – 1:05:19] Erik: basically extremely foolish.
[1:05:19 – 1:05:20] Adam: Don’t do that route.
[1:05:21 – 1:05:25] Adam: That route’s crossed off in big X’s on my Nat Geo map.
[1:05:26 – 1:05:26] Erik: Never again.
[1:05:26 – 1:05:29] Erik: Don’t paddle the Brule during flood stage if you have no river experience.
[1:05:30 – 1:05:31] Erik: Yeah, that’s a good one.
[1:05:32 – 1:05:35] Adam: My other one that I always joke about…
[1:05:36 – 1:05:42] Adam: I’m like, let’s paddle all the way out Arrow, take the Arrow River, all the way down the end of Arrow to Remix.
[1:05:42 – 1:05:43] Adam: Remix.
[1:05:43 – 1:05:50] Adam: If you look at the far end of Arrow on Google Maps or any map, really, there’s this little marking, Remix.
[1:05:51 – 1:05:57] Adam: And if you, like, zoom in on it, there looks like there’d be an old, like, trailer court or trailer home vacation community.
[1:05:57 – 1:05:59] Adam: Yeah.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:03] Adam: And it’s very down on the far eastern end of Arrow Lake.
[1:06:03 – 1:06:05] Adam: And so we always joke, like, we should go to Remick’s.
[1:06:06 – 1:06:08] Adam: I don’t know why or how we would ever make that trip happen.
[1:06:08 – 1:06:11] Adam: It’s literally, like, an 18-mile paddle.
[1:06:11 – 1:06:13] Erik: Yeah, Arrow Lake is, like, 20 miles long.
[1:06:13 – 1:06:15] Adam: Plus, you get down there, and then you hit a west wind.
[1:06:16 – 1:06:17] Adam: How are you ever going to get back?
[1:06:17 – 1:06:23] Adam: You’re going to have to literally hitchhike back out to Thunder Bay and then beg your way back across the border.
[1:06:24 – 1:06:24] Adam: I don’t know what you’d do.
[1:06:25 – 1:06:28] Erik: It’s crazy to look at the clear water area on a fisher map.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:30] Erik: You’re like, man, that looks like a lot of water.
[1:06:31 – 1:06:38] Erik: And then you zoom out, and then there’s Arrow, which is basically the length of that whole route just in one lake.
[1:06:38 – 1:06:40] Adam: That’s a lot of water.
[1:06:41 – 1:06:43] Adam: That’s always kind of in the back of my mind.
[1:06:43 – 1:06:48] Adam: in my foolish mind, like, hey, someday I’d like to go see what Remix is all about.
[1:06:48 – 1:06:53] Adam: I’m sure it would be a disappointment, and then it would be a real hell-wrecker of a paddle to get back.
[1:06:54 – 1:06:55] Adam: Not going to ever try that one.
[1:06:56 – 1:07:03] Erik: At one point when you were living down in Wisconsin, didn’t you consider paddling across Lake Michigan and taking the ferry back?
[1:07:03 – 1:07:06] Adam: Yeah, because I grew up in Manitowoc.
[1:07:07 – 1:07:11] Adam: The ferry comes from Ludington back and forth to the SS Badger.
[1:07:12 – 1:07:20] Adam: So I was like, well, you know, if you go from Point Beach over to this other state park on the other side, it’s only like 42 miles across Lake Michigan.
[1:07:20 – 1:07:20] Erik: Right.
[1:07:20 – 1:07:21] Adam: In a canoe.
[1:07:21 – 1:07:24] Adam: And like how many people have gone across Lake Michigan in a canoe?
[1:07:25 – 1:07:28] Adam: Turns out not many because it’s a stupid idea.
[1:07:28 – 1:07:28] Adam: Yeah.
[1:07:29 – 1:07:35] Adam: A lot of people go across with a kayak, but they always bring like a motorboat escort with them in case something happens.
[1:07:35 – 1:07:37] Adam: You cramp up or, you know, what have you.
[1:07:37 – 1:07:37] Adam: Yeah.
[1:07:37 – 1:07:45] Adam: But our idea was like, we’re just going to take an aluminum canoe, go straight across from Point Beach, and then we’ll take the car ferry back.
[1:07:45 – 1:07:50] Erik: The mental fortitude required to paddle 42 miles.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:54] Erik: Across.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:57] Adam: Without seeing like a horizon for most of the way.
[1:07:57 – 1:08:00] Erik: To basically into nothing.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:02] Adam: There’s a good reason it never happened.
[1:08:02 – 1:08:03] Adam: Yeah.
[1:08:03 – 1:08:05] Adam: Again, it’s a stupid idea.
[1:08:05 – 1:08:05] Erik: Yeah.
[1:08:05 – 1:08:06] Erik: I mean, I could paddle like…
[1:08:06 – 1:08:09] Adam: But this is the kind of stuff that Pete was asking about.
[1:08:09 – 1:08:13] Adam: Like, what are the things you’ve thought about that never really materialized or maybe they did?
[1:08:13 – 1:08:20] Adam: You know, way back in high school, somebody was like, we should paddle all the way down from the whole length of the Mississippi to…
[1:08:21 – 1:08:25] Adam: Well, we can leave from Madison, take the Wisconsin River down to the Mississippi, all the way to New Orleans.
[1:08:26 – 1:08:28] Adam: We talked about it for a good month.
[1:08:28 – 1:08:29] Adam: We’re like, we could do it.
[1:08:29 – 1:08:31] Adam: We could, you know, we never did it.
[1:08:32 – 1:08:34] Adam: That’s just a crazy amount of paddling.
[1:08:34 – 1:08:37] Adam: And just you’re going to get run over by a barge or something.
[1:08:37 – 1:08:39] Adam: Or you try and paddle across Lake Michigan.
[1:08:39 – 1:08:39] Adam: Like, what are you doing?
[1:08:40 – 1:08:43] Adam: There’s so many great paddling routes that are designed for a canoe.
[1:08:44 – 1:08:47] Adam: It’s like when people say, hey, can I bring a kayak to the Boundary Waters?
[1:08:47 – 1:08:48] Adam: You could, but you shouldn’t.
[1:08:49 – 1:08:51] Adam: Or should you take a kayak across Lake Michigan?
[1:08:51 – 1:08:53] Adam: You could, but you shouldn’t.
[1:08:53 – 1:08:55] Adam: Or can you take a kayak all the way to New Orleans?
[1:08:55 – 1:08:56] Adam: Absolutely, you should do that.
[1:08:57 – 1:08:59] Adam: We should probably hook that one up, actually.
[1:08:59 – 1:08:59] Erik: Most definitely.
[1:08:59 – 1:09:01] Erik: Have you ever heard of Verlin Kruger?
[1:09:01 – 1:09:01] Adam: No.
[1:09:02 – 1:09:08] Erik: Well, I’m not going to go into it too much considering we’re a little over an hour now, but Verlin Kruger, check him out.
[1:09:09 – 1:09:15] Erik: He has some of the most impressive canoe routes laid down.
[1:09:16 – 1:09:17] Erik: that I’ve ever seen.
[1:09:18 – 1:09:34] Erik: Starting in like the Arctic Circle, paddling to the southern tip of South America, basically in canoes until he got down to the Gulf of Mexico where then he hopped in a kayak and then jumped into another canoe and was down the Amazon.
[1:09:35 – 1:09:43] Erik: Verland Kruger, I would say, probably puts down some of the most impressive routes that I’ve ever seen.
[1:09:43 – 1:09:44] Erik: A line drawn on a map of
[1:09:45 – 1:09:48] Adam: in terms of a canoe slash paddling route.
[1:09:49 – 1:09:55] Erik: But that may be more of a in-depth conversation in the future.
[1:09:56 – 1:09:57] Adam: Super ambitious.
[1:09:57 – 1:09:57] Adam: Yes.
[1:09:57 – 1:09:59] Adam: All the way to the Gulf of Mexico.
[1:09:59 – 1:09:59] Adam: Yeah.
[1:10:00 – 1:10:01] Adam: All right, well.
[1:10:01 – 1:10:02] Erik: Rambled long enough now?
[1:10:02 – 1:10:05] Adam: No, I think we have two more things to get to.
[1:10:05 – 1:10:06] Adam: Two more ramblings.
[1:10:07 – 1:10:12] Adam: We’ve heard they’re redoing the video you get to watch before you go into the park.
[1:10:12 – 1:10:13] Erik: The privilege to watch.
[1:10:13 – 1:10:16] Adam: And, you know, they lay out the rules or whatever.
[1:10:17 – 1:10:19] Adam: They’re maybe messing with the format a little bit on the new video.
[1:10:19 – 1:10:21] Adam: They’re going to roll it out soon.
[1:10:21 – 1:10:22] Erik: The U.S. Forest Service.
[1:10:23 – 1:10:23] Adam: Right.
[1:10:23 – 1:10:26] Adam: Yeah, when you’re stopped to get your permit.
[1:10:26 – 1:10:30] Erik: Most people refer to it as the bear video that I run into.
[1:10:30 – 1:10:31] Erik: They’re like, yeah, do we have to watch the bear video?
[1:10:31 – 1:10:34] Adam: Yeah, we’ve made fun of the bear video in the past.
[1:10:34 – 1:10:35] Adam: It is time.
[1:10:35 – 1:10:36] Adam: It needs a revamping.
[1:10:36 – 1:10:43] Erik: It doesn’t need to look like a 1980s high school science class video that your teacher puts on when they’re bored.
[1:10:43 – 1:10:48] Adam: Most bears that are really being a problem, you’re not going to scare them away by banging pots and having a kid throw a rock.
[1:10:48 – 1:10:48] Erik: No.
[1:10:49 – 1:10:49] Adam: But…
[1:10:50 – 1:10:52] Adam: I heard they were filming part of the new video on Clearwater.
[1:10:52 – 1:10:53] Adam: Is that true?
[1:10:53 – 1:10:54] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:10:54 – 1:10:55] Erik: I think they’re filming it all over.
[1:10:56 – 1:10:59] Erik: I know the old one, a lot of those scenes were on Clearwater.
[1:10:59 – 1:11:00] Adam: Right.
[1:11:00 – 1:11:01] Adam: So who knows?
[1:11:01 – 1:11:02] Adam: But they’re filming all over.
[1:11:02 – 1:11:03] Adam: They’re making a new video.
[1:11:04 – 1:11:13] Adam: The question of the week for next week is, if you were involved with the new video and or the rulemaking process of the park,
[1:11:14 – 1:11:22] Adam: what rule would you add to the list of rules you have to follow to be in the park?
[1:11:22 – 1:11:24] Adam: On the flip side of this…
[1:11:25 – 1:11:29] Adam: For you anarchists out there, what rule would you take away?
[1:11:30 – 1:11:32] Adam: So you have the option route here.
[1:11:32 – 1:11:34] Adam: Would you like to add a rule?
[1:11:35 – 1:11:37] Adam: Or you could take a rule away that is in existence.
[1:11:38 – 1:11:39] Adam: We don’t care.
[1:11:39 – 1:11:40] Erik: We’re not going to judge.
[1:11:41 – 1:11:42] Adam: You know, just let us know.
[1:11:42 – 1:11:42] Adam: I like that.
[1:11:42 – 1:11:43] Adam: And why.
[1:11:43 – 1:11:45] Adam: And the most important part, of course, why.
[1:11:45 – 1:11:46] Erik: Yeah, show your work.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:47] Adam: Yeah.
[1:11:48 – 1:11:50] Adam: So that’s the question of the week next week.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:59] Erik: Kind of off of the, based on the pack saving of the campsite technique that we saw.
[1:11:59 – 1:12:04] Erik: Because that’s not anything that’s ever mentioned in the video or in any of the rules.
[1:12:04 – 1:12:12] Adam: Don’t just throw a pack out the side of your canoe on Cherokee and assume that campsite’s now yours until you figure out something better.
[1:12:12 – 1:12:12] Adam: Yep.
[1:12:13 – 1:12:14] Adam: So, there’s that.
[1:12:15 – 1:12:16] Adam: Let us know what you think.
[1:12:17 – 1:12:18] Adam: Call the Pete hotline.
[1:12:20 – 1:12:20] Adam: Do we have the number?
[1:12:21 – 1:12:22] Adam: Yes.
[1:12:22 – 1:12:23] Adam: Oh, yes.
[1:12:24 – 1:12:28] Adam: You know, let us know on social media.
[1:12:29 – 1:12:34] Adam: But if you really have the number, it’s 218-481-0649.
[1:12:34 – 1:12:44] Adam: Call and let us know which rule you like, which rule you would add, or which rule you really don’t like and you get rid of.
[1:12:45 – 1:12:48] Adam: I think that about brings us to the end of this episode.
[1:12:49 – 1:12:57] Adam: But before we end this episode, I think we would like to say that there’s a heat wave coming, and we’re going to definitely get our muck boots out, as promised.
[1:12:57 – 1:12:58] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:12:58 – 1:13:01] Adam: We’re going to swamp a canoe on purpose just to see.
[1:13:01 – 1:13:10] Adam: So stick around, and either the next episode or the episode after that, we will have some definite field audio of us trying to swamp ourselves in muck boots
[1:13:11 – 1:13:12] Adam: Just to see what happens.
[1:13:12 – 1:13:19] Adam: We’ll of course have a safety bark ranger on hand to make sure that we don’t actually sink or something.
[1:13:19 – 1:13:21] Adam: I think they’re going to float.
[1:13:21 – 1:13:22] Erik: Rope attached to my belt?
[1:13:23 – 1:13:23] Erik: Let’s not be equivocal.
[1:13:24 – 1:13:25] Erik: Next episode.
[1:13:26 – 1:13:26] Erik: It’s happening.
[1:13:26 – 1:13:27] Adam: Okay, let’s happen.
[1:13:28 – 1:13:30] Erik: If we don’t do it, if we don’t say it, it won’t happen.
[1:13:30 – 1:13:31] Erik: We’re going to jump in.
[1:13:31 – 1:13:33] Erik: And I’m actually very interested to find out.
[1:13:34 – 1:13:37] Erik: And, yeah, maybe next episode will be about life jacket safety.
[1:13:39 – 1:13:40] Adam: Why it’s so important.
[1:13:40 – 1:13:41] Erik: Why it’s so important.
[1:13:41 – 1:13:42] Erik: It’s been so serious.
[1:13:42 – 1:13:46] Adam: Actually, we’re going to find out that muck boots actually are a life jacket in themselves.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:47] Erik: Yeah, and they float.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:51] Erik: So, you know, your feet will float and everything else will sink.
[1:13:51 – 1:13:52] Adam: That could be the problem, though.
[1:13:52 – 1:13:55] Adam: Maybe you flip over and then, well, that’s not going to happen.
[1:13:55 – 1:13:56] Erik: Styrofoam boots.
[1:13:56 – 1:14:03] Adam: So, yeah, we’re going to try that out before the big dance next week, and we’ll let you know how that goes.
[1:14:03 – 1:14:11] Adam: But thank you for listening in and for calling in to the system.
[1:14:12 – 1:14:13] Erik: The Pete line.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:14] Erik: The Pete line.
[1:14:14 – 1:14:19] Erik: Until somebody else calls in, it’s the Pete hotline.
[1:14:20 – 1:14:22] Erik: So please, please, we beg of you.
[1:14:22 – 1:14:23] Erik: Somebody else call in.
[1:14:23 – 1:14:25] Erik: 218-481-0649.
[1:14:25 – 1:14:26] Adam: That doesn’t make any sense.
[1:14:27 – 1:14:30] Erik: We’re really sick of hearing from Pete, and we don’t want to send him any of our warm beers.
[1:14:31 – 1:14:34] Erik: So with that, you know where to find us.
[1:14:34 – 1:14:35] Adam: We’re on the Facebook.
[1:14:35 – 1:14:36] Adam: We’re on the Instagram.
[1:14:36 – 1:14:37] Adam: We’re on the Gmail.
[1:14:37 – 1:14:39] Adam: Also, you can find us at Clearwater Lodge.
[1:14:40 – 1:14:42] Adam: We’re pretty much hanging out there all the time.
[1:14:42 – 1:14:42] Adam: Pretty much.
[1:14:42 – 1:14:43] Adam: Stop on by.
[1:14:44 – 1:14:47] Adam: And, you know, otherwise, I don’t know.
[1:14:47 – 1:14:51] Adam: If you can’t figure that out, then you can just meet us out on Rose Lake.
[1:14:51 – 1:14:51] Erik: Yep.
[1:14:52 – 1:14:54] Adam: And we’ll be out hanging out below the falls.
[1:14:55 – 1:14:59] Adam: you know, just enjoying life and living it up as per usual.
[1:14:59 – 1:15:00] Erik: Living the dream.
[1:15:00 – 1:15:00] Adam: Yeah.
[1:15:01 – 1:15:02] Erik: And until next time.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:02] Adam: Yeah.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:03] Adam: I’m Adam.
[1:15:03 – 1:15:05] Erik: I’m Eric.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:06] Adam: Happy family.
[1:15:07 – 1:15:07] Adam: We love you.
[1:15:07 – 1:15:08] Adam: We love you.
[1:15:42 – 1:15:42] UNKNOWN: … …
[1:16:17 – 1:16:20] Adam: Everybody worries about finding a nice campsite when in the park.
[1:16:21 – 1:16:26] Adam: But that doesn’t mean you can just throw your old day pack on shore and paddle down the lake.
[1:16:27 – 1:16:29] Adam: If you’re going to take a site, take the site.
[1:16:29 – 1:16:30] Adam: Otherwise, leave it open.
[1:16:31 – 1:16:32] Adam: The more you know.