It’s a mid-season mixed bag episode this week as we’re recapping how the BWCA and North Shore of Minnesota seem(s) to be busier this year. Is it because of a pandemic? We also finish up our coverage on Tuscarora with some insights from Andy. Remember to be nice out there.
Tuscarora Lodge and Outfitters
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[0:00:35 – 0:00:38] Adam: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:44] Adam: My name is Adam, coming to you live from Studio K, joined by my good friend Eric.
[0:00:44 – 0:00:45] Adam: Hello, Eric.
[0:00:45 – 0:00:46] Adam: Hello.
[0:00:47 – 0:00:49] Adam: This is episode 106 of Tumble Home.
[0:00:51 – 0:00:56] Adam: We are, of course, sponsored by our good friends and listeners on Patreon.
[0:00:56 – 0:01:00] Erik: Yeah, we’ve added to the clan.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:01] Erik: We’ve got to come up.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:03] Erik: The Tumble Homies is an umbrella.
[0:01:03 – 0:01:05] Erik: Everybody’s a Tumble Homie.
[0:01:06 – 0:01:07] Erik: The $5 a month Patreon.
[0:01:08 – 0:01:10] Erik: They’re Coglins campers, but they’re more than that.
[0:01:10 – 0:01:17] Erik: They’re getting sweet, sweet access to our highly intellectual conversations about…
[0:01:18 – 0:01:20] Erik: Artistic films in the outdoors.
[0:01:21 – 0:01:24] Erik: And we’ve gotten a few new ones in the past week here.
[0:01:25 – 0:01:31] Erik: I didn’t really get the sense that many of them needed to be shouted out, so we kind of removed that as a thing.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:33] Erik: But you know who you are.
[0:01:34 – 0:01:40] Erik: And you can look forward to a fresh Tumble Home Cinema Classic coming up here in the next couple weeks.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:44] Erik: We have not decided on which that… We’re currently open to suggestions.
[0:01:45 – 0:01:47] Erik: Yes, we’re always open to suggestions.
[0:01:47 – 0:01:49] Erik: There’s a couple of trauma films.
[0:01:50 – 0:01:56] Erik: Now that we’ve done a little bit more research into that studio, one of my favorite sounding ones is Decapitated.
[0:01:56 – 0:01:59] Erik: Did you notice the camp in there?
[0:01:59 – 0:01:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:00 – 0:02:00] Adam: Clever.
[0:02:01 – 0:02:02] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:02 – 0:02:08] Erik: Then there’s also another one that somebody suggested, but it’s only on DVD, so it wouldn’t have much appeal.
[0:02:08 – 0:02:14] Erik: We’d have to talk about it in depth, and it’s called Surviving Crooked Lake.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:16] Adam: Oh, that’s only on DVD, huh?
[0:02:16 – 0:02:17] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:18] Erik: Somebody sent me.
[0:02:18 – 0:02:19] Adam: I bet I can find a stream.
[0:02:20 – 0:02:23] Erik: Somebody sent me the DVD and said, I don’t know where else.
[0:02:23 – 0:02:23] Erik: And I searched it.
[0:02:23 – 0:02:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:24] Erik: You can’t find it.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:26] Erik: I found the trailer for it.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:30] Erik: It’s four girls, two canoes, one body.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:32] Erik: So we’ll do either of those.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:34] Adam: It’s a body.
[0:02:34 – 0:02:35] Adam: I thought he was a hunk.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:37] Erik: Maybe he turns into a body.
[0:02:37 – 0:02:40] Erik: Spoiler!
[0:02:40 – 0:02:41] Erik: Crooked Lake.
[0:02:41 – 0:02:42] Erik: Surviving Crooked Lake.
[0:02:42 – 0:02:48] Erik: And that is the Crooked Lake of the Boundary Waters, and it’s supposedly supposed to take place in the Boundary Waters.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:52] Erik: And the staff at Clearwater has watched it.
[0:02:52 – 0:02:53] Erik: You haven’t.
[0:02:53 – 0:02:54] Erik: I have not.
[0:02:55 – 0:03:23] Erik: I’ve been borderline watch it and then borrow me the DVD I can do that I can I can figure out a DVD player yeah they’ve almost borderline spoiled me a few times where I just had to start yelling like because they were talking about it I haven’t seen it yet I haven’t seen it you better see it tell me about the body but yeah anyway thank you patrons you’re the best also sponsored this week by a an indeed brewing company this is from friend of the show
[0:03:25 – 0:03:26] Erik: Dan Santiago.
[0:03:27 – 0:03:28] Erik: Dan Santiago.
[0:03:30 – 0:03:33] Erik: He was up, man, it’s like been two months ago also.
[0:03:34 – 0:03:36] Erik: The backlogs of beer are real.
[0:03:37 – 0:03:43] Erik: But this is an Indeed Brewing lavender, sunflower, honey, and dates.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:50] Erik: And it just so happens that the lavender, sunflower, and dates all line up.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:51] Erik: Hmm.
[0:03:51 – 0:03:51] Erik: Hmm.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:54] Erik: Well, let’s try them.
[0:03:55 – 0:03:55] Adam: LSD.
[0:03:56 – 0:03:56] Adam: Oh.
[0:03:57 – 0:03:59] Adam: I haven’t been sharp this week, Eric.
[0:04:03 – 0:04:04] Erik: I don’t think I’ve had this.
[0:04:04 – 0:04:07] Erik: You made it sound like you may have experienced this in the past at some point.
[0:04:08 – 0:04:09] Erik: I may or may not have.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:10] Erik: Who’s to say?
[0:04:10 – 0:04:11] Erik: I don’t think I have.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:12] Erik: It’s 7.2%.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:16] Erik: It sounds like it’s going to kind of be a real flavorful one.
[0:04:17 – 0:04:17] Adam: Honey ale.
[0:04:18 – 0:04:19] Adam: Cheers.
[0:04:19 – 0:04:20] Adam: Thanks, Dan.
[0:04:20 – 0:04:21] Adam: Thank you, Dan.
[0:04:28 – 0:04:29] Adam: Well, that’s…
[0:04:31 – 0:04:33] Adam: I’m going to go look at this can for five minutes.
[0:04:33 – 0:04:35] Erik: Yeah, the appropriate can art.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:38] Erik: Indeed, always knocks it out of the park on the can art.
[0:04:38 – 0:04:38] Erik: I’ll say that.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:40] Erik: That’s good.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:42] Adam: How many eyeballs are on this can?
[0:04:42 – 0:04:45] Adam: I count at least a couple already.
[0:04:45 – 0:04:48] Adam: Depends on what your definition of an eyeball is, man.
[0:04:48 – 0:04:50] SPEAKER_02: Oh, there’s another one.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:52] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that’s good.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:54] SPEAKER_02: Lavender sunflower.
[0:04:55 – 0:04:57] Adam: It’s not as heavy as I thought it was going to be.
[0:04:57 – 0:04:58] Adam: What about the honey?
[0:04:59 – 0:05:01] Erik: What’s the H for?
[0:05:01 – 0:05:03] Erik: Just to make it not as obvious.
[0:05:03 – 0:05:09] Adam: Episode 106 of Tumble Home, and it’s time to check the Ron Cher’s outdoor calendar.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:13] Adam: Fact of the day, we’re moving on to July of 2020.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:14] Erik: Can you believe it?
[0:05:15 – 0:05:16] Adam: Ooh, ooh, look at this.
[0:05:18 – 0:05:21] Adam: We’ve got pumpkin seeds by Stuart Nelson.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:22] Adam: It’s a nice artwork.
[0:05:22 – 0:05:23] Adam: Nice bobber on there.
[0:05:25 – 0:05:27] Adam: Some nice pumpkin seeds there.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:29] Adam: They’re not green-eared sunfish.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:31] Adam: They’re pumpkin seeds.
[0:05:31 – 0:05:40] Adam: Today is July 9th here in Studio K. The sun sets at 9 p.m. And so, yeah, little by little, I guess the next couple days are 9.
[0:05:41 – 0:05:42] Adam: We just went from 9 to 1.
[0:05:44 – 0:05:46] Adam: So they’re slowly getting darker again.
[0:05:50 – 0:05:51] Adam: The fact of the day.
[0:05:52 – 0:05:54] Adam: I don’t know if fact of the day is the right term for these.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:57] Adam: Fact of the day is fish and float a river.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:00] Erik: It’s a suggestion.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:02] Adam: More of an outdoor suggestion.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:03] Erik: Yeah, for sure.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:04] Andy: It’s a great suggestion, too.
[0:06:06 – 0:06:07] Erik: That is a good fish and float.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:08] Erik: Fish and float.
[0:06:08 – 0:06:09] Erik: Or float and fish.
[0:06:09 – 0:06:12] Erik: I feel like it’s probably float and then fish.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:13] Adam: Yeah.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:14] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:15] Erik: It depends.
[0:06:15 – 0:06:16] Erik: Depends on the river.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:17] Erik: Thanks, Ron.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:18] Erik: Thanks, Matt.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:21] Erik: The calendar has brought us so much joy.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:22] Erik: And thanks, Dan.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:26] Erik: And thank all of you for being there.
[0:06:27 – 0:06:29] Erik: I don’t even know what this episode is going to be called.
[0:06:29 – 0:06:33] Erik: It’s a little bit of a midseason, midsummer roundup.
[0:06:34 – 0:06:38] Erik: Kind of, you know, four episodes there of field audio.
[0:06:39 – 0:06:46] Erik: with little to really speak to the current events and affairs happening in the wilderness.
[0:06:47 – 0:06:56] Erik: I think over the course of the last two episodes, a fire ban has gone into effect and then subsequently ended.
[0:06:56 – 0:06:59] Adam: I just found this out from you.
[0:07:00 – 0:07:03] Adam: Minutes before we hit record that the fire ban has been lifted.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:10] Erik: Yeah, I get that information straight from the source, straight from the Forest Service general.
[0:07:10 – 0:07:11] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:12] Adam: I mean, we’d gotten a bunch of rain.
[0:07:12 – 0:07:13] Adam: Well, I don’t know.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:15] Adam: Yeah, I’d say we got a bunch of rain.
[0:07:15 – 0:07:17] Erik: I think we got a bunch of rain.
[0:07:17 – 0:07:25] Erik: It seemed to me like it was a little sporadic, like not widespread, that people were asking me this morning.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:26] Erik: And I said, I don’t know.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:30] Erik: I mean, they kind of went all in on the fire ban.
[0:07:31 – 0:07:35] Erik: Basically didn’t even do the like 7 to midnight thing, just straight across the board.
[0:07:35 – 0:07:38] Erik: Superior National Forest, Boundary Waters, fires are banned.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:41] Adam: Which usually is like the most extreme measure.
[0:07:41 – 0:07:53] Adam: pretty crispy out there but i kind of did think it was more of like a bozo fire ban just to like put it in just uh you know there’s a lot of people out there might might uh cause some trouble with a fire
[0:07:54 – 0:07:54] Erik: Right.
[0:07:54 – 0:07:59] Erik: There’s that too, which is, again, like we’ve said, it’s a little bit of a roundup episode.
[0:07:59 – 0:08:02] Erik: Is there more bozos than normal this year?
[0:08:02 – 0:08:03] Erik: It kind of feels like there are.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:12] Erik: That’s where we’re going to start, I think, maybe with the conversation of it’s a thing that you’ve seen, especially if you’re…
[0:08:12 – 0:08:17] Erik: On the places that people talk about the Boundary Waters.
[0:08:17 – 0:08:22] Adam: Yeah, I’ve seen a couple of articles on, maybe it’s more commentary on this topic lately.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:25] Adam: It’s like, I’ve seen a lot of trash campsites.
[0:08:25 – 0:08:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:26 – 0:08:30] Adam: I’ve seen a guy dump his RV tanks in the ditch right in front of my house.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:31] Adam: This kind of stuff.
[0:08:31 – 0:08:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:32 – 0:08:35] Adam: Somebody brandished a knife at the donut shop.
[0:08:35 – 0:08:39] Erik: Well, there’s been a few altercations over a Skizzle.
[0:08:39 – 0:08:47] Erik: I mean, at this point, if you’re not going to the world’s best donuts without your Skizzle knife, you’re not going to get Skizzle.
[0:08:47 – 0:08:49] Adam: You’re not going to get the last one.
[0:08:49 – 0:08:50] Adam: No.
[0:08:50 – 0:08:52] Adam: Yeah, like reports of fistfights.
[0:08:52 – 0:08:57] Erik: Yeah, there’s been a number of weird things that are just like, what?
[0:08:57 – 0:08:58] Erik: Altercations?
[0:08:58 – 0:08:59] Erik: Knife got pulled?
[0:08:59 – 0:09:00] Erik: Doesn’t seem right.
[0:09:01 – 0:09:05] Erik: Somebody was throwing change at a waitress up at Trail Center.
[0:09:06 – 0:09:09] Erik: Again, these are all, obviously, you’re not coming to Tumble Home for the hard-hitting news.
[0:09:10 – 0:09:13] Erik: This is all reported as having happened.
[0:09:15 – 0:09:34] Adam: allegedly these things happen yeah they’re not going to be and this stuff’s not going to make the news herald maybe the knife thing maybe the knife thing oh there should be a new issue out i almost said new new episode of the county news herald coming out today we’re going to find out what happened there yeah yeah there’s i mean i think i don’t know anyways yeah i’m just hearing a lot of this
[0:09:34 – 0:09:42] Erik: There’s also been multiple really weird, crazy vehicular accidents, both on the shore and just right up on the Gunflint Trail.
[0:09:42 – 0:09:43] Erik: And I don’t know.
[0:09:43 – 0:09:49] Erik: I mean, there is that sense that there are more people.
[0:09:50 – 0:10:02] Erik: There is a sense that the people that are around don’t necessarily know exactly what the area has to offer, how to let the area…
[0:10:04 – 0:10:05] Erik: What can I like?
[0:10:05 – 0:10:07] Erik: I’ve never had as many people this year.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:10] Erik: And I don’t think that they’re I don’t think that they’re bozos.
[0:10:10 – 0:10:16] Erik: I haven’t really I haven’t personally seen like truly like bozo behavior.
[0:10:16 – 0:10:19] Adam: Yeah, the only bozos I saw on Brulai.
[0:10:20 – 0:10:20] Adam: It was us.
[0:10:20 – 0:10:21] Adam: It was probably us.
[0:10:21 – 0:10:23] Adam: We’re the biggest bozos.
[0:10:24 – 0:10:28] Adam: So who’s to cast the first floaty toy into the lake?
[0:10:28 – 0:10:28] Adam: Right.
[0:10:29 – 0:10:37] Erik: But there’s been just a lot of questions that kind of caught me off guard, which is very basic ones where somebody will come up and be like,
[0:10:37 – 0:10:41] Erik: hey, we’re here to do the Palisades day trip because I saw a thing down in town.
[0:10:41 – 0:10:43] Erik: And then I’ll say, oh, yeah, you can do this.
[0:10:43 – 0:10:44] Erik: And then you’ll take this trail.
[0:10:44 – 0:10:46] Erik: And then they just go like, what does that mean?
[0:10:47 – 0:10:51] Erik: Just to like things that I’m not typically used to having to explain.
[0:10:51 – 0:10:59] Adam: Yeah, I get the feeling that there’s just like, from what I’ve been reading and hearing, that there’s just a lot of first timers up here.
[0:10:59 – 0:11:06] Adam: And then that’s comboed with the, you don’t have to actually like get your permit from an outfitter or a forest service.
[0:11:07 – 0:11:29] Adam: uh office you can print your own permit this year to like avoid that extra humor human interaction so yeah you get a lot of first timers coupled with the like you know sure you’re supposed to watch the videos i don’t know maybe you don’t comprehend them as much as if uh you’re not like giving a little test at the end i don’t know yeah and i don’t know i i probably not i don’t know yeah that’s what’s happening
[0:11:29 – 0:11:30] Erik: No, no.
[0:11:31 – 0:11:47] Erik: I think that I kind of was starting by saying, I don’t know, because, you know, you really it’s everything is so complicated right now with like who’s up here, the changes in certain systems, what’s open, what’s not.
[0:11:47 – 0:11:50] Erik: people finding ways to make it political when it’s not.
[0:11:51 – 0:11:59] Erik: But at the end of the day, I feel like I’ve really come around to changing my opinion on how the permit system works.
[0:11:59 – 0:12:08] Erik: I think we had an episode in the first season or two when we used to have seasons where we talked about ways that you would change the system.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:12] Erik: If there’s any rule you could change, what would you change?
[0:12:12 – 0:12:15] Erik: And we’ve talked about it at length in other episodes about how
[0:12:16 – 0:12:17] Erik: We live in the 21st century.
[0:12:17 – 0:12:19] Erik: Let these people print their permits at home.
[0:12:19 – 0:12:19] Erik: Yeah.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:27] Erik: And I don’t know if I necessarily have that heart of an opinion anymore because of exactly the reasons that we’ve seen.
[0:12:28 – 0:12:34] Erik: I can specifically say from people showing up having clearly not seen the videos.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:35] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:12:35 – 0:12:37] Erik: And they have a permit that they’ve…
[0:12:39 – 0:13:02] Adam: they have successfully secured but then they’re asking questions that would have been clearly comprehended from those videos see we had to discuss like tiers too in which like hey if it was your first trip you still would have to go yeah you go get your permit printed and yeah you know talk with somebody about the wilderness ethic and then after you’re like you know done a couple trips then maybe then you could just print your own permit and
[0:13:03 – 0:13:11] Erik: After you’ve done it a few times and maybe passed a couple of the borderline, basic, rudimentary comprehension tests.
[0:13:11 – 0:13:12] Erik: Sure.
[0:13:12 – 0:13:13] Erik: Just so you know.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:22] Adam: But I shouldn’t be… What you’re saying is you’re getting a lot of first-timers who clearly they just printed their own permit and they…
[0:13:22 – 0:13:23] Erik: Or they didn’t.
[0:13:23 – 0:13:30] Erik: They just think it’s a free-for-all, and they’ll show up, and then at the end of the day, I’ll look, and half of my permits in my system have not been issued.
[0:13:30 – 0:13:49] Erik: Because, I mean, yes, to a certain extent, cooperators are responsible for issuing permits, but at the same time, if somebody’s coming up and saying, hey, I’ve got some canoes rented, and they are the 10th group that’s come up, and we’ve got this whole list of other reservations…
[0:13:50 – 0:13:58] Erik: It can be very hard to keep track of who’s who because sometimes the guy that made the canoe reservation wasn’t the guy that made the permit reservation.
[0:13:58 – 0:14:02] Erik: So, like, it really is still up to the trip leader.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:12] Erik: And I’ve got so many other things going on at Clearwater that I really have a hard time chasing down every individual group at the end of the day to say…
[0:14:13 – 0:14:29] Erik: shaking a permit at them as they’re paddling away from the dock which is the first year that that’s ever really been an issue for a variety of reasons but I would say specifically the biggest one is that all these videos are now available to watch at home and they just think
[0:14:30 – 0:14:31] Erik: Well, we’ve watched the video.
[0:14:32 – 0:14:33] Erik: That’s enough.
[0:14:34 – 0:14:54] Erik: And each individual outfitter, just to give a little bit more peek behind the curtain, the spring had to decide what level of an outfitter they were going to be, whether they were going to just not issue permits or if they were going to socially distance issue them or if they were just going to do business as usual.
[0:14:54 – 0:14:58] Erik: And we are one that is a socially distanced outfitter.
[0:14:59 – 0:15:05] Erik: Which, the one thing that the Forest Service did well on this front is they kind of got all that in a row.
[0:15:05 – 0:15:11] Erik: So like anybody that said, I’m not physically issuing permits, then all of those permits can be printed at home.
[0:15:12 – 0:15:17] Erik: Anybody that’s socially distanced, you still have to get your permit printed, but all of the videos get watched at home.
[0:15:18 – 0:15:24] Erik: And then anybody that’s just doing business as usual still is showing that third video, like within hours.
[0:15:25 – 0:15:54] Erik: an outfitting building or somewhere else and that’s you know there’s just so much information out there with how the banjo waters works already with this extra layer of confusion and just that underlying sense of like the world’s kind of ending i’m just gonna do whatever i want yeah it does feel like it’s a little bit crazier out there than usual i think there’s something to that sentiment just like whatever yeah yeah this year can just go bite a butt i’ve had it
[0:15:54 – 0:15:56] Erik: Yeah, and I get it, too.
[0:15:56 – 0:15:56] Erik: I get it.
[0:15:57 – 0:15:57] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:58 – 0:16:07] Adam: It just feels like there’s this lack of caring, just people just being extra big jerks.
[0:16:08 – 0:16:13] Erik: And then there’s also the flip side of people being very appreciative that we’re even open.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:15 – 0:16:35] Adam: there’s places up here that are just like yeah no we’re gonna do it as restricted as possible and we’re barely gonna yeah it always just it’s either just seems like it’s somebody who’s been here a bunch of times and has been up the shore and up the trail a bunch or it’s just these like these bozos that like you never could imagine them being on the trail and they’re here now uh
[0:16:37 – 0:16:37] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:16:37 – 0:16:46] Adam: There’s just something about like, what kind of person just was like, yeah, in the middle of pandemic, I’m going to still go do a, I’m going to go do a big trip.
[0:16:46 – 0:16:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:46 – 0:16:56] Adam: Well, that’s a little questionable, but I mean, there’s definitely people doing it right, but I’m definitely seeing a lot of, I’m hearing about it and I’m seeing a lot of it just being in town a lot.
[0:16:57 – 0:17:01] Adam: I’m just like, what the, what are these people doing up here?
[0:17:02 – 0:17:04] Adam: You know, and there’s some people there, you just shake your head.
[0:17:04 – 0:17:04] Adam: It’s like,
[0:17:05 – 0:17:06] Erik: And that was what I was going to say.
[0:17:06 – 0:17:09] Adam: The guy offered to come in wearing a garbage bag over his head.
[0:17:10 – 0:17:13] Adam: That seems like something you’d have to warn a four-year-old about.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:13] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:14] Adam: Not an adult human.
[0:17:14 – 0:17:15] Erik: Because he didn’t have a mask?
[0:17:15 – 0:17:15] Erik: Yes.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:17] Erik: Because he didn’t have a mask.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:20] Erik: You guys have them there, though, available for your patrons, don’t you?
[0:17:20 – 0:17:20] Erik: Yeah, but.
[0:17:20 – 0:17:21] Erik: They cost a buck.
[0:17:22 – 0:17:23] Adam: No, they don’t even.
[0:17:23 – 0:17:24] Adam: No.
[0:17:24 – 0:17:26] Adam: You can just have one, but people have a problem with that.
[0:17:27 – 0:17:35] Erik: Yeah, and that’s, again, we don’t want to sit here and talk in circles about the people’s opinions on what’s real and what’s not.
[0:17:35 – 0:17:46] Erik: And, you know, we’ve had some moments of, you know, I think Clearwater finds itself in a relatively easy groove of what you can accommodate people on.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:48] Erik: But we’ve had a few, you know, like, hey, hey, hey.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:51] Erik: I’m not here to talk science with you.
[0:17:51 – 0:17:55] Erik: We’re deciding to do what we’re doing based on the best information that we’ve been given.
[0:17:56 – 0:18:00] Erik: And you get kind of that sense a little bit, but it’s been few and far between.
[0:18:02 – 0:18:08] Erik: And then just to maybe finish up on the general feeling across…
[0:18:10 – 0:18:27] Erik: The community, the places that have the opportunity to publish stories on how some of these smaller communities are being affected is people that have regularly been to Clearwater.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:28 – 0:18:40] Erik: you know return guests my sense from them is like just kind of a general feeling of like they come out and they just kind of give you that little head shake they’re like here’s
[0:18:40 – 0:19:07] Erik: yeah i don’t know we saw some things out there that we’ve never really seen before and yeah it’s kind of good on one hand but if it’s just a one-time escape yeah i mean then maybe not so much a one-time escape that creates more damage than a long-lasting relationship with a wilderness then i might have a different opinion on you know the yeah opportunity
[0:19:07 – 0:19:12] Adam: I’ve seen litter out there last year, and I’ve seen it two years ago, and you’re always going to see that kind of stuff.
[0:19:13 – 0:19:15] Adam: You’re going to see the hacked up trees.
[0:19:15 – 0:19:18] Adam: But, you know, I did see it put this way, too.
[0:19:18 – 0:19:21] Adam: Like, it’s a good thing if there are a lot of new people getting out in the boundary waters for the first time.
[0:19:22 – 0:19:27] Adam: Even if it’s not in the best way, it’s still a good thing to, like, get more people exposed to it.
[0:19:28 – 0:19:32] Adam: But, yeah, you hate to hear about it, like, people coming back and finding the stuff wrecked.
[0:19:32 – 0:19:41] Erik: Or just the fact that you can’t find the campsite sometimes, which is a little early for me to have been hearing some of the stories.
[0:19:41 – 0:19:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:19:42 – 0:19:42] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:19:43 – 0:19:44] Erik: Maybe they’re out there listening.
[0:19:44 – 0:19:51] Erik: It was a long enough shuttle that I was finally able to gather up the courage to tell these two guys about my podcast.
[0:19:53 – 0:19:57] Erik: If you didn’t know, I have trouble with promoting myself.
[0:19:57 – 0:19:59] Erik: But anyway, I finally did tell them about it.
[0:19:59 – 0:20:02] Erik: And their story was that they called me from Bearskin
[0:20:03 – 0:20:29] Erik: lodge and outfitters and said hey uh because bearskin doesn’t typically shuttle all the way back over to the arrowhead trail slash mcfarland lake yeah and so they were like well try yeah try calling clearwater they’ll do it yeah i mean it usually kind of throws me for a bit of a loop but we’ll you know there’s usually somebody around and i ended up doing it uh spoiler alert it was just because i wanted to go home so i dropped him off and then just went home for the night
[0:20:29 – 0:20:31] Erik: Because I kind of live over there now.
[0:20:31 – 0:20:36] Erik: But anyway, they said that they had put in the day before on Pine with a Pine Lake permit.
[0:20:36 – 0:20:36] Erik: Oh, yes.
[0:20:37 – 0:20:38] Erik: They paddled the length of Pine.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:40] Erik: They portaged into Canoe.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:47] Erik: And then they portaged into Alder and got the last campsite on Alder before basically you’re just back out of the boundary waters.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:58] Erik: And so their next opportunity, their next option was to paddle back to their car over the course of another full day going across that 240-rod portage between Canoe and Pine.
[0:21:00 – 0:21:05] Erik: or go out and call for a ride because they kind of had…
[0:21:05 – 0:21:10] Erik: It sounded like they had some jobs that they couldn’t just come in on the first day after a weekend wrecked.
[0:21:10 – 0:21:13] Erik: They needed to not be completely depleted physically.
[0:21:14 – 0:21:15] Erik: So I get that.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:20] Erik: But it was crazy that there’s a lot of campsites in between putting in over on McFarland and the west end of Alder.
[0:21:21 – 0:21:26] Erik: They said they were all taken except one, and it was one that was just not worth…
[0:21:26 – 0:21:28] Adam: camping app, which I get two.
[0:21:28 – 0:21:29] Adam: It’s a strong D+.
[0:21:30 – 0:21:38] Erik: Yeah, and that story is not to scare people, but it’s different out there this year.
[0:21:40 – 0:21:45] Adam: So anyways, in summation, that’s why the fire ban was put on.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:46] Adam: It was dry.
[0:21:47 – 0:21:50] Adam: It was dry, but I do think there was something to this.
[0:21:50 – 0:21:57] Adam: It just corresponded with the dryness, and all of a sudden you just heard a bunch of these stories feeding out.
[0:21:57 – 0:22:21] Adam: yeah there’s about all the bozos duluth and it’s like well who’s who’s sourcing those you know obviously they’re trying to get the word out and then immediately fire banned it and then we got fight we got rain like right after they put the fire ban on but they left it on yeah that’s fine who needs to have a fire when it’s 85 degrees at night but it’s nice to have something to stare into while you think about your uh deepest thoughts
[0:22:22 – 0:22:22] Erik: Your mortality?
[0:22:23 – 0:22:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:24 – 0:22:25] Erik: That’s what I think about every day.
[0:22:27 – 0:22:31] Erik: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, there’s more people up here than I’ve ever seen.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:40] Erik: And the permits, just to finish on this, it seems like the permits are all maxed out too.
[0:22:40 – 0:22:40] Erik: Yeah, big groups.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:42] Erik: They’re like eights and nines.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:49] Erik: And one thing that I’ve seen more than anything else is like two permits with the same name with like both the same name.
[0:22:51 – 0:22:54] Adam: I’m like, are you guys really camping at two separate spots?
[0:22:54 – 0:22:55] Erik: They might be.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:55] Erik: Sure.
[0:22:56 – 0:22:58] Erik: They might be, but they drove up together.
[0:22:59 – 0:23:01] Erik: They’ve done everything else together.
[0:23:02 – 0:23:05] Erik: So, I mean, there’s… And I get it.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:10] Erik: There’s really nothing to do in the cities.
[0:23:12 – 0:23:16] Erik: I mean, obviously, yeah, you can go outside and do stuff in the cities, but it’s not the typical…
[0:23:17 – 0:23:46] Adam: story of like well jimmy’s in baseball until the end of july and then you know tina she’s got you know uh bible camp or something like none of that stuff’s happening there’s a bunch of other camping options that are still like not available either right so just putting a lot more strain on the for a while there the boundary waters was like the only game in town as far as camping yeah exactly and then you know slowly some other spots opened up but there’s still national forest sites that you know they just they’re not open
[0:23:46 – 0:23:46] Erik: Yeah, they’re not.
[0:23:47 – 0:23:48] Erik: And then also just some private stuff.
[0:23:48 – 0:23:51] Adam: You just hear about people squatting out on Artist Point.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:52] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:54] Adam: Up at Pincushion, people just camp.
[0:23:54 – 0:23:57] Adam: We had an RV just parked in the co-op parking lot for like three days.
[0:23:58 – 0:24:00] Erik: There’s people in places that I have never seen them.
[0:24:00 – 0:24:01] Erik: Just camping in a parking lot?
[0:24:01 – 0:24:01] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:04] Adam: I mean, yeah, I know people do that with RVs, but…
[0:24:05 – 0:24:06] Erik: Oh, come on.
[0:24:06 – 0:24:12] Erik: Coming down after that shuttle where I drove the guys back over to McFarland, came down the Arrowhead Trail.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:23] Erik: The 20 miles between the Arrowhead Trail and Grand Marais looked like I was driving down Big Sur Highway 1 in California.
[0:24:24 – 0:24:25] Erik: There was vehicles.
[0:24:25 – 0:24:27] Erik: It didn’t help that it was like 85 degrees.
[0:24:28 – 0:24:32] Erik: And some of the beaches, they looked like they were packed like California beaches.
[0:24:32 – 0:24:33] Erik: Just packs.
[0:24:33 – 0:24:35] Erik: Huge, like 15, 20 people.
[0:24:35 – 0:24:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:38] Erik: Just right up on the beach.
[0:24:38 – 0:24:40] Erik: Kind of swimming, but mostly just on the beach.
[0:24:40 – 0:24:41] Adam: It was crazy.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:42] Adam: I’ve noticed a lot, too.
[0:24:42 – 0:24:46] Adam: Like all the Spear Hiking Trail parking areas are just jacked with cars.
[0:24:47 – 0:24:47] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:24:47 – 0:24:48] Adam: And they’re not just there.
[0:24:48 – 0:24:49] Adam: They’re there when I go to work.
[0:24:49 – 0:24:50] Adam: They’re there when I come back.
[0:24:51 – 0:24:52] Adam: And then they’re still there in the morning.
[0:24:52 – 0:24:52] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:52 – 0:24:57] Adam: So there’s a lot of people that are out like overnighting on the SHT.
[0:24:57 – 0:25:01] Adam: Man, I can’t imagine trying to pull a trip there right now because I think that’s got to just be swamped.
[0:25:02 – 0:25:05] Erik: Yeah, and there’s very… Because that’s some real normal stuff.
[0:25:05 – 0:25:06] Adam: You can do whatever you want out there, I guess.
[0:25:06 – 0:25:07] Adam: Well, I mean…
[0:25:07 – 0:25:13] Adam: I mean, you can’t, but I feel like it’s probably the Wild West out there on the hiking trail right now.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:16] Erik: Well, yeah, there’s no permits, and those campsites are free.
[0:25:16 – 0:25:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:16 – 0:25:19] Erik: So you just come up with some of those campsites slash grounds.
[0:25:19 – 0:25:25] Adam: Well, I’m just… Yeah, I’m thinking, like, if the boundary waters are getting ransacked, just think of, like, what those kinds of sites and just…
[0:25:26 – 0:25:33] Adam: The sneaky national forest sites that we all know about that are usually pretty quiet, I’m guaranteeing those are all just swamped all summer this year.
[0:25:33 – 0:25:36] Erik: Well, on the way over to Brule, I did not see anybody at Cascade River.
[0:25:37 – 0:25:39] Adam: Well, that is surprising.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:40] Erik: Which was surprising, for sure.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:41] Erik: I was surprised.
[0:25:41 – 0:25:48] Adam: Yeah, I was in there, I don’t know, I was over there probably two weeks ago, and all those little sites were packed.
[0:25:48 – 0:26:06] Erik: yeah so and they’re gonna do they’re adding another road in cook county that they’re doing construction on oh so fyi bally creek road between uh what is that 7 17 14 what is devil’s track road eight eight that was not even close
[0:26:08 – 0:26:09] Adam: Fact-checked on the fly.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:14] Erik: Yeah, so Valley Creek Road between Highway 8 and the grade is now shut for the rest of the summer.
[0:26:15 – 0:26:18] Erik: And the Gunflint, did you know, was shredded from- I heard this.
[0:26:18 – 0:26:23] Erik: Like Ball Club, or not Ball Club, but Two Island, no, not Two Island, Elbow.
[0:26:23 – 0:26:24] Erik: Try again, yeah.
[0:26:24 – 0:26:25] Adam: To Northern Light.
[0:26:25 – 0:26:25] Adam: You got it.
[0:26:26 – 0:26:27] Adam: Yeah, I came- Oh, that’s nice.
[0:26:27 – 0:26:37] Erik: I know, and I had no idea it was happening, so I was driving up from the shore to go to work the other day, and I just ran into the Gunflint Trail, and it was just down to gravel.
[0:26:37 – 0:26:39] Erik: I was like, what is this?
[0:26:39 – 0:26:41] Erik: I thought I was driving into a construction zone.
[0:26:41 – 0:26:42] Erik: There was nobody around.
[0:26:43 – 0:26:45] Erik: It was just straight gravel from both shoulders.
[0:26:46 – 0:26:49] Erik: And then I ended up running into a guy with a stop sign.
[0:26:49 – 0:26:55] Erik: And then you have to wait for a little pace car to come back.
[0:26:56 – 0:27:25] Adam: what yeah wow that’s a quite the section it’s super active so like you’re going by like construction happening you have to follow a truck one lane one laner there’s a bunch of those in town right now i think that’s kind of contributing to the wild west feel out there yeah this is all this road construction you got all these fed up people it’s too hot and then you got a waiter on and it’s hot yeah the heat my god the heat heck yeah it’s a it’s been an interesting summer so far
[0:27:26 – 0:27:28] Erik: Yeah, I mean, we’re kind of cruising through it, though.
[0:27:28 – 0:27:32] Erik: It kind of feels crazy that it’s July 10th tomorrow.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:33] Erik: That’s nuts.
[0:27:34 – 0:27:39] Erik: After a couple of things that I got going on here in the next few days, it’s going to all of a sudden be the end of
[0:27:39 – 0:28:04] Adam: yeah thursday we were talking when we just got here before we started recording just like what kind of the couple ideas i’ve had for trips coming up and like man i just i got a couple that i hope i can get in and you know it’s getting to that be that pattern of summer where it’s like well if i don’t get these trips planned soon and permits acquired like they might not happen i gotta really gotta do my uh my work on these and get these on the books
[0:28:04 – 0:28:05] Adam: Your due diligence.
[0:28:05 – 0:28:07] Adam: I got a couple I really want to make happen here.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:09] Adam: I’m going to figure those out soon.
[0:28:09 – 0:28:16] Adam: And if you’re out there listening and you’re on the fence about getting a trip together, you’ve got to do it now if you’re going to get one in.
[0:28:16 – 0:28:23] Erik: At this point, I don’t have any canoes for the rest of July.
[0:28:23 – 0:28:27] Erik: Anybody that calls, I have to give them the names of other outfitters.
[0:28:28 – 0:28:29] Erik: First time it’s happened so extensively.
[0:28:30 – 0:28:35] Erik: Usually it’s like a weekend or two over the course of like the last week of July, first week of August.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:37] Erik: It started a week ago.
[0:28:38 – 0:28:44] Erik: I had to like implement a canoe chart for the first time ever where I’m like, okay, how many canoes do I actually have?
[0:28:45 – 0:28:48] Erik: Because I’ve never had to keep track of them so meticulously.
[0:28:48 – 0:28:49] Erik: You had a canoe matrix?
[0:28:50 – 0:29:10] Erik: yeah intricately not matriculously yeah i have a canoe matrix now and so like yeah how many canoes we got in the quiver today and then there’s all the never enough there’s cabins that all want to go out on day trips so you have to reserve like five or six that are just always kind of on guard so yeah you gotta have a
[0:29:12 – 0:29:12] Erik: Yeah, it’s crazy.
[0:29:12 – 0:29:13] Erik: Home quiver.
[0:29:13 – 0:29:16] Erik: Home quiver, in the field quiver.
[0:29:16 – 0:29:21] Erik: And then inevitably people show up with different numbers that you’ve got to quick try to make up for.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:29] Erik: And then there’s also just what just happened yesterday was, oh, one of your forepersons came back with a hole in it.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:32] Erik: Oh, and it’s going to rain, so you can’t really fix it in time.
[0:29:33 – 0:29:35] Erik: So come up with a solution to that.
[0:29:36 – 0:29:40] Erik: So basically this episode is going to be called The Day in the Life of an Outfitter.
[0:29:41 – 0:29:42] Erik: And how it’s amazing.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:44] Erik: It is.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:44] Erik: It’s fun.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:45] Adam: Well, you’re a lucky dude.
[0:29:45 – 0:29:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:50] Erik: I mean, it’s… At the end of the day, I couldn’t imagine doing anything else.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:53] Adam: What’s better, the summer pandemic outfitter or pandemic grocer?
[0:29:53 – 0:29:55] Erik: It’s neither.
[0:29:57 – 0:29:57] Erik: Outfitter.
[0:29:57 – 0:29:58] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:58 – 0:29:59] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[0:30:00 – 0:30:02] Erik: Yeah, well, we’re a half hour in.
[0:30:02 – 0:30:05] Erik: We’ve got to finish up a little bit on Tuscarora.
[0:30:05 – 0:30:09] Erik: We’ve got a few tracks that Andy has from Tuscarora.
[0:30:10 – 0:30:11] Erik: You remember him from the SAG episodes.
[0:30:12 – 0:30:24] Erik: He’s got a couple of things to say on Tuscarora, which was last week’s episode, which was specifically on… His voice sounds like lavender, sunflower, honey, and dates all put together in one delicious ale.
[0:30:24 – 0:30:25] Erik: It is pretty good.
[0:30:26 – 0:30:34] Erik: Do you want to start with what he has to say, and then we can maybe touch on some Minnesota DNR fishing numbers, or do you want to start with fishing numbers?
[0:30:34 – 0:30:36] Adam: No, I want to hear what Andy has to say.
[0:30:36 – 0:30:37] Adam: Let’s get to it.
[0:30:37 – 0:30:37] Erik: All right.
[0:30:37 – 0:30:46] Erik: Well, let’s start with why and how the name Tuscarora ever came about, and then we’ll learn a little bit more about some cabins.
[0:30:46 – 0:30:47] Adam: Doesn’t it mean air-conditioned lake?
[0:30:47 – 0:31:15] Erik: That they used to I’m pretty sure That was our hypothesis Oh that’s not a fact I don’t believe That was a rock fact I don’t believe that’s a true That was a true statement I thought though If you said anything on a podcast It did become true I think it’s at least a little true A little 30% true If you say anything on a podcast Well let’s find out about some fishing Some history Why it’s called Tuscarora And then we’ll save the best for last What’s going on in Thelma?
[0:31:18 – 0:31:26] Andy: All right, this is Andy up at Tuscarora and we are talking about our namesake, Tuscarora Lake.
[0:31:28 – 0:31:30] Andy: Where does the name Tuscarora come from?
[0:31:32 – 0:31:37] Andy: There is a lot of speculation about this and I’m
[0:31:38 – 0:31:58] Andy: probably don’t have I don’t have all my facts straight but what I do know is that the Tuscarora are a Native American people that are from what is now New York State and out east there and part of the Iroquois Native American people and
[0:31:59 – 0:32:16] Andy: how the lake that, as you guys can see on that map that I sent, used to be called Big Round Lake, which was what Tuscarora was called on a turn-of-the-century map.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:24] Andy: How that came to be called Tuscarora Lake, this is pretty much speculation on our part, but
[0:32:25 – 0:32:41] Andy: It was fashionable, especially out east, to call fancy hunting and fishing resorts Native American words or mashups of Native American words.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:47] Andy: A good example of that locally is Nanabijou Resort that I think was built in the early 30s.
[0:32:50 – 0:33:00] Andy: And that’s a Cree word for something, spirit or wood spirit or something like that, that really doesn’t have much relation to the resort except it sounds cool.
[0:33:01 – 0:33:07] Andy: And we speculate that Tuscarora sounded a lot cooler than Big Round Lake.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:12] Andy: And that is how Tuscarora Lake became Tuscarora Lake.
[0:33:12 – 0:33:16] Andy: I don’t know for sure if it was the original name.
[0:33:16 – 0:33:31] Andy: folks that started Tuscarora that decided that the resort and the lake should be called the same thing, or if the lake was called Tuscarora before the resort was started, I think in 1935.
[0:33:32 – 0:33:36] Andy: That’s about all we know about how that came to be.
[0:33:36 – 0:33:45] Andy: If you look at that map that I sent, the lake names changed a lot around here over the years.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:56] Andy: because I think you can see that gillis is some long Native American word that I’m not even going to try to pronounce on that turn-of-century map.
[0:33:57 – 0:33:58] Andy: And then it became…
[0:33:59 – 0:34:27] Andy: Bullis for a while on a map that I’ve never seen but I’ve heard of B-U-L-L-I-S and then it was Gills Lake G-I-L-L-S for a while and the theory there is that that just kind of mashed up into Gillis and to this day it’s Gillis Lake Round Lake where we are now what is called Round for a long time was called Bear Lake and then it was called Round Bear Lake
[0:34:28 – 0:34:39] Andy: Um, and it just, uh, at some point, you know, in the, I’m not sure when maybe forties, fifties, uh, the, uh, the bear was dropped and it was just round lake after that.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:45] Andy: So that is what we know about the names of the lakes around here.
[0:34:46 – 0:34:51] Andy: It is interesting how they change and, um, you know, they change over the years.
[0:34:52 – 0:34:55] Andy: And I think that really it wasn’t until the standardization of
[0:34:56 – 0:35:02] Andy: Boundary Waters maps, you know, by like Fisher, that lake names really became firm.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:13] Andy: You know, I think that if you were to go back 100 years, you know, in Cook County here, you’d have, you know, half the community would call one lake something and the other half would call the lake a different name.
[0:35:13 – 0:35:23] Andy: So that is what we know about the history of the word Tuscarora and why Tuscarora Lake is called Tuscarora Lake.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:31] Adam: All right, so it sounds cooler than Big Round.
[0:35:32 – 0:35:33] Erik: Yeah, that’s for sure.
[0:35:34 – 0:35:35] Adam: No doubt it sounds cooler.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:38] Adam: And I like that answer.
[0:35:39 – 0:35:41] Adam: It was fashionable at the time to mash up.
[0:35:41 – 0:35:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:42 – 0:36:10] Erik: iroquois words and uh make it sound real exotic yeah i don’t know it is one of those things that you know you ask the question and you hope for some kind of a real cool like interesting like historical answer but i guarantee the vast majority of the names of the lakes are pretty much what andy was describing yeah i used to be this then it was that and then finally one day these map guys came out and said hey
[0:36:11 – 0:36:12] Erik: I’m going to start changing these names.
[0:36:13 – 0:36:13] Erik: Settle on a name.
[0:36:13 – 0:36:14] Adam: Pick one already.
[0:36:14 – 0:36:15] Adam: Yeah, you do see it a lot.
[0:36:15 – 0:36:21] Adam: I love looking at the old maps and seeing just how the names change over the years.
[0:36:21 – 0:36:26] Adam: But, yeah, you don’t hear about the lake names changing that often these days.
[0:36:26 – 0:36:26] Adam: No.
[0:36:26 – 0:36:28] Adam: There’s been a few that come to mind.
[0:36:29 – 0:36:34] Adam: But, yeah, I kind of wish you could just change the lake names still.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:35] Erik: That would be a fun…
[0:36:36 – 0:36:38] Erik: I like having code names for a week.
[0:36:38 – 0:36:42] Erik: Code names are fun for, like, within a group of people.
[0:36:42 – 0:36:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:42 – 0:36:44] Erik: Big winch, you know, stuff like that.
[0:36:45 – 0:36:46] Erik: But, like, I don’t know.
[0:36:46 – 0:36:46] Erik: At the end of the day…
[0:36:49 – 0:36:58] Erik: Yeah, if I could vote for some lake names to be changed, I think the ones that I would vote for first are the ones that are named twice within the immediate vicinity.
[0:36:58 – 0:36:59] Adam: Yeah, there’s no need for two caribous.
[0:37:00 – 0:37:01] Erik: That’s the first one that comes to mind.
[0:37:01 – 0:37:02] Erik: That’s so egregious.
[0:37:03 – 0:37:06] Erik: There’s not even a Wolf Lake in the Boundary Waters, but there’s two caribous.
[0:37:06 – 0:37:07] Erik: We need a Wolf Lake.
[0:37:08 – 0:37:10] Erik: Let’s petition the Boundary Waters.
[0:37:11 – 0:37:13] Adam: There’s also no Eric Lake either.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:15] Erik: No, I don’t need a name.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:16] Adam: There’s an Adams Lake.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:17] Adam: We talked about this.
[0:37:17 – 0:37:20] Adam: We need an Eric’s Lake, too.
[0:37:20 – 0:37:21] Adam: There’s plenty of unnamed lakes.
[0:37:21 – 0:37:24] Adam: You could just have a couple of those and some PMA somewhere.
[0:37:25 – 0:37:26] Adam: Just a tiny one.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:27] Adam: The Eric Lake PMA.
[0:37:27 – 0:37:28] Erik: We’ll get a whole new PMA.
[0:37:29 – 0:37:29] Erik: Just a pond.
[0:37:29 – 0:37:30] Erik: I don’t need a unit.
[0:37:31 – 0:37:32] Erik: I don’t need a Vento unit.
[0:37:33 – 0:37:34] Erik: Just a little pond somewhere.
[0:37:34 – 0:37:36] Adam: A management unit.
[0:37:36 – 0:37:37] Erik: With no portages to it.
[0:37:38 – 0:37:45] Adam: I have a fun fact for our listeners is that the name of this podcast, at least in beta testing, was called Bozo Talk.
[0:37:45 – 0:37:49] Adam: And actually, we decided to change it to Tumble Home because it sounded way cooler.
[0:37:49 – 0:37:50] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:37:50 – 0:37:50] Adam: Oh, of course.
[0:37:50 – 0:37:51] Adam: Similar story.
[0:37:52 – 0:37:53] Adam: Essentially, yeah.
[0:37:53 – 0:37:54] Adam: At one point, it was just Talk Talk.
[0:37:55 – 0:37:55] Adam: Rings, too.
[0:37:55 – 0:37:56] Adam: Bozo Talk.
[0:37:56 – 0:37:57] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:37:57 – 0:38:01] Erik: Beard rustling on Mike Foam, I think, was also a working…
[0:38:01 – 0:38:03] Erik: It just doesn’t have the same ring to it.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:05] Erik: No, it’s not snappy.
[0:38:05 – 0:38:06] Erik: It’s not kind of ambiguous.
[0:38:06 – 0:38:13] Erik: You can place your own unique value and description on it from your own perspective.
[0:38:13 – 0:38:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:16] Erik: It was a little too on point.
[0:38:17 – 0:38:26] Erik: I like that there’s still some, at least I would like the whole original, like Ogishka Muncy, Gay Bayoniquette.
[0:38:26 – 0:38:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:27 – 0:38:28] Erik: A couple of those are still hanging on.
[0:38:28 – 0:38:31] Erik: There’s a couple, like Lac La Croix is still like, yeah, it’s French.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:34] Adam: I got to think that there’s always been a Kweet Crew, for sure.
[0:38:34 – 0:38:34] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:34 – 0:38:36] Erik: Kweet Crews for centuries.
[0:38:37 – 0:38:37] Adam: For centuries.
[0:38:38 – 0:38:39] Adam: Eons.
[0:38:39 – 0:38:39] Erik: Yep.
[0:38:40 – 0:38:42] Erik: Eons of Kweet Crews.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:44 – 0:39:00] Erik: All right, do you want to move on to, there’s some fun pictures that Andy sent me of cabins that used to exist on Tuscarora, and he’s going to tell us a little bit about those because it is a part of the Boundary Waters.
[0:39:00 – 0:39:02] Erik: Some of these places used to exist.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:12] Adam: Yeah, we were just out on the Brule, and on some of the maps you can still see old foundations on Brule Island from the olden resorts out there.
[0:39:13 – 0:39:17] Adam: I was talking to somebody in town the other day and said, we’re going out to Brule, and they go,
[0:39:18 – 0:39:20] Adam: Oh, when I was a kid, I went to a resort on Brule.
[0:39:21 – 0:39:23] Adam: You used to be two of them out there.
[0:39:24 – 0:39:25] Adam: Yeah.
[0:39:25 – 0:39:27] Adam: We’ve seen the old foundations out on Sag.
[0:39:27 – 0:39:31] Adam: There’s a couple on that one island we were out on.
[0:39:31 – 0:39:34] Erik: The one that you think is cool and I think is not.
[0:39:35 – 0:39:38] Erik: You’re more into hauntings and ghosts than I am, though.
[0:39:38 – 0:39:39] Adam: I am interested.
[0:39:41 – 0:39:42] Adam: I’m super interested in this.
[0:39:42 – 0:39:45] Adam: That old map you showed me, the map, it’s pretty neat.
[0:39:45 – 0:39:47] Adam: I want to know more about Blue Snow Lake.
[0:39:47 – 0:39:48] Erik: Blue snow.
[0:39:48 – 0:39:49] Erik: We’re going to learn about Thelma.
[0:39:50 – 0:39:55] Erik: I was most interested in just like the day-to-day, like how did you get those cabins turned over?
[0:39:55 – 0:39:57] Erik: Was it sort of a bring your own linens in?
[0:39:57 – 0:39:58] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:39:58 – 0:39:59] Erik: I haven’t listened to it.
[0:39:59 – 0:40:00] Erik: Maybe he won’t get into it.
[0:40:00 – 0:40:12] Erik: But there definitely used to be some cabins out on Tuscarora, which, again, I would believe maybe not necessarily why the lake got named, but why the resort holds that name.
[0:40:12 – 0:40:13] Erik: Yeah, there was a connection there.
[0:40:13 – 0:40:14] Erik: There was definitely a connection.
[0:40:14 – 0:40:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:19 – 0:40:20] Andy: cabins on Tuscarora.
[0:40:21 – 0:40:37] Andy: So, unfortunately, we don’t have a ton of information about the cabins that were on Tuscarora, and we thought we had a photo of one of the cabins, but on closer inspection, when I blew it up and was about to
[0:40:38 – 0:40:46] Andy: cut it out of the brochure that it was in and send it to you guys, I realized that it said cabin on Tuscarora, but it was here on Round Lake.
[0:40:46 – 0:40:47] Andy: It was not on Tuscarora Lake.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:55] Andy: You could see through the trees and see the lake, and that did not add up to the cabins that were over on Tuscarora.
[0:40:55 – 0:41:05] Andy: But what we do know is that the cabins, the two cabins, two log cabins, were built on Tuscarora Lake sometime in the early 1940s by Tuscarora Lodge here.
[0:41:06 – 0:41:12] Andy: And they rented them up until they were seized by the Forest Service after the 1964 Wilderness Act.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:21] Andy: And then those cabins were, anything of value was taken out and they were burned, I believe.
[0:41:21 – 0:41:24] Andy: They didn’t haul them out or break them apart and throw them in the woods.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:24] Andy: They just…
[0:41:24 – 0:41:26] Andy: They torched them.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:31] Andy: Access to those cabins, I believe, was mostly people motorboating.
[0:41:31 – 0:41:34] Andy: So in those days, that was well before the motor ban.
[0:41:34 – 0:41:41] Andy: And a lot of people up here got around on square stern canoes or aluminum canoes with motor mounts and like two horsepower outboards.
[0:41:41 – 0:41:50] Andy: And so people would motor across Round Lake, hike up into Missing Link, motor down Missing Link, and then hike the mile long portage into Tuscarora.
[0:41:50 – 0:41:53] Andy: And I believe there were boats at all of these landings.
[0:41:53 – 0:41:56] Andy: You didn’t have to carry an aluminum canoe and a motor every time you went over there.
[0:41:56 – 0:42:01] Andy: There were boats that were stashed in the spring and then taken in the late fall.
[0:42:02 – 0:42:04] Andy: They were out there for the open water season.
[0:42:05 – 0:42:08] Andy: And then you motored down Tuscarora to the cabins.
[0:42:08 – 0:42:13] Andy: The cabins were located on a point south of where the Howell Swamp Portage comes in.
[0:42:14 – 0:42:18] Andy: And if you still go kick around in the woods there, there’s still remnants.
[0:42:18 – 0:42:21] Andy: There’s some metal and some foundation and stuff like that.
[0:42:22 – 0:42:24] Andy: And that’s kind of a neat little piece of history.
[0:42:24 – 0:42:25] Andy: You can go and check it out.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:34] Erik: Yeah, back in the days when there used to be a pile of motorboats and motors on every other side of a portage.
[0:42:35 – 0:42:39] Erik: Sounds like it was maybe a lot of fun on one hand.
[0:42:39 – 0:42:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:42:40 – 0:42:42] Erik: But I kind of like it the way it is now.
[0:42:44 – 0:42:49] Erik: But, yeah, boy, could you imagine a couple of sweet old log cabins on Tuscarora?
[0:42:50 – 0:42:52] Erik: Taking three different motorboats to get out there.
[0:42:52 – 0:42:54] Erik: Yeah, just switching from boat to boat.
[0:42:54 – 0:42:55] Erik: The Howell Swamp.
[0:42:55 – 0:43:24] Erik: yeah that’s uh that’s cool i mean i don’t i’m not aware of clear water ever having anything cabin wise set up but i know talking with some of the previous owners there used to be substantial numbers of motorboats and motors basically on any side of any portage like enough so that they could just go back and forth like 10 motors up on such and such lake yeah you hear that a lot well you you i did at least i don’t know i don’t hear it as much these days
[0:43:24 – 0:43:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:27] Erik: So for sure.
[0:43:27 – 0:43:28] Erik: I love the history of that.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:33] Adam: I mean, it’s hard to imagine it, but it’s not that hard to imagine it.
[0:43:33 – 0:43:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:33 – 0:43:36] Adam: I mean, it’s still a bunch of little two horses on flatback canoes.
[0:43:37 – 0:43:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:43:38 – 0:43:38] Adam: It would be a lot of fun.
[0:43:39 – 0:43:39] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:43:40 – 0:43:42] Erik: There’s nothing really like that, though, anymore.
[0:43:43 – 0:43:46] Erik: I used to do some flying fishing trips.
[0:43:46 – 0:44:00] Erik: I’m in Canada, but you had to winch the boat over from one lake to another on a wooden ladder that was laid on the ground so that it could get pulled up, but not where you’re just jumping out of one boat and then trading into another.
[0:44:01 – 0:44:02] Erik: That seems highly unique.
[0:44:02 – 0:44:03] Erik: This gizmo’s out of juice.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:05] Erik: I’m going.
[0:44:06 – 0:44:10] Erik: No, he spikes the gizmo.
[0:44:10 – 0:44:11] Adam: Save it for somebody else.
[0:44:11 – 0:44:13] Adam: So two log cabins out there.
[0:44:13 – 0:44:14] Adam: That’s pretty neat.
[0:44:14 – 0:44:17] Adam: Down by our old friend campsite number 10.
[0:44:18 – 0:44:20] Erik: Yeah, over on campsite number 10.
[0:44:20 – 0:44:24] Erik: It seems like probably near that nice sand beach, if I were to guess.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:27] Erik: Heck of a place to put a couple of log cabins.
[0:44:27 – 0:44:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:29] Adam: Yeah, good view from there.
[0:44:29 – 0:44:31] Adam: I can picture it.
[0:44:31 – 0:44:33] Adam: It sounds quite majestic.
[0:44:34 – 0:44:34] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:35 – 0:44:43] Erik: Do you want to hit some black and white fish species DNR numbers before we get to what Andy has to say on fishing?
[0:44:44 – 0:44:45] Adam: Yeah, let’s hear what they got.
[0:44:45 – 0:44:50] Adam: All right, we got Tuscarora Lake, 805 in terms of acres.
[0:44:54 – 0:44:56] Adam: Yeah, it’s big, but it’s not big, big.
[0:44:56 – 0:44:57] Adam: It’s medium big.
[0:44:57 – 0:44:58] Erik: Medium big.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:00] Adam: Maximum depth, though.
[0:45:03 – 0:45:03] Adam: Can I take a guess?
[0:45:03 – 0:45:04] Adam: Take a guess.
[0:45:05 – 0:45:07] Adam: I’m going to go with 132.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:07] Erik: Whoa!
[0:45:08 – 0:45:16] Erik: If it was Price is Right rules, you’d be like one of those real dumb families that bet early where that other family that just got up there bet a buck because it was 130.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:17] Erik: Ooh!
[0:45:19 – 0:45:21] Erik: I’m surprised at the average water clarity.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:24] Erik: 15 feet, that’s not nothing.
[0:45:24 – 0:45:28] Erik: But I thought it seemed like it was really clear when we were out there this spring.
[0:45:28 – 0:45:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:29 – 0:45:30] Erik: Maybe 15 feet.
[0:45:30 – 0:45:31] Erik: Maybe I’m just spoiled.
[0:45:31 – 0:45:32] Erik: 15 is quite a lot.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:35] Erik: Spoiled because you got the clear water, which is almost 30.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:37] Erik: 15 is still nice.
[0:45:37 – 0:45:38] Erik: 15 is solid.
[0:45:38 – 0:45:39] Erik: It is a clean, clear lake.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:40 – 0:45:41] Adam: It’s a dip in there.
[0:45:42 – 0:45:43] Erik: Oh, I dipped a bunch.
[0:45:43 – 0:45:45] Erik: I still got some Tuscarora water in the fridge.
[0:45:45 – 0:45:47] Erik: Saved a little in a vial.
[0:45:47 – 0:45:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:49 – 0:45:52] Erik: In a vial like Ned from Jurassic Park.
[0:45:52 – 0:45:58] Adam: I labeled it as big round just to throw off anybody trying to pillage my vials.
[0:45:58 – 0:45:58] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:59 – 0:46:00] Erik: But you know, there’s people trying to do that too.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:04] Adam: Go on and get out of my pantry.
[0:46:04 – 0:46:05] Adam: Get out of my pantry.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:08] Erik: It’s a weird looking like survey.
[0:46:08 – 0:46:19] Erik: I mean, looking at it just on its last survey, which was 1999.
[0:46:19 – 0:46:22] Erik: So this is basically like.
[0:46:23 – 0:46:24] Adam: This is pre-LIDAR.
[0:46:24 – 0:46:26] Erik: This is pre-everything.
[0:46:27 – 0:46:29] Adam: They’re just at a seshy disc.
[0:46:30 – 0:46:30] Adam: Yeah, they kind of.
[0:46:31 – 0:46:33] Adam: One stone on a piece of yarn.
[0:46:33 – 0:46:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:35] Adam: That piece of yarn.
[0:46:35 – 0:46:37] Erik: They got to get back out there.
[0:46:37 – 0:46:38] Erik: I’m just saying it.
[0:46:38 – 0:46:46] Erik: This is one of the first lake surveys that I feel like this has been an underappreciated and undersurveyed lake.
[0:46:46 – 0:46:49] Adam: Use one of them drones you got and just go fly around with your lasers.
[0:46:50 – 0:46:50] Erik: Come on, DNR.
[0:46:50 – 0:46:51] Erik: Get back out.
[0:46:51 – 0:46:53] Erik: So take these numbers for what they are.
[0:46:53 – 0:46:55] Adam: All of the fish that were surveyed in 1999.
[0:46:55 – 0:46:58] Adam: I measured it with my rocking yarn, and I got 132.
[0:46:59 – 0:47:00] Erik: Most likely.
[0:47:00 – 0:47:02] Erik: Oh, you’re claiming the depth is wrong.
[0:47:02 – 0:47:03] Adam: That’s why I guessed 132.
[0:47:03 – 0:47:07] Erik: Well, I don’t remember seeing any yarn.
[0:47:08 – 0:47:12] Erik: So there’s one burbot caught between 15 and 19.
[0:47:12 – 0:47:15] Erik: 15 light trout caught between 8 and 24.
[0:47:18 – 0:47:43] Erik: five pike decent sized pike between 20 and 34 22 white sucker all in the teens and 13 yellow perch all in the single digits that’s inches my friends inches no green-eared sunfish no green-eared sunfish that uh they’ve never been netted anywhere only in your mind what about mad tom tadpoles
[0:47:44 – 0:47:49] Erik: Oh, no, no, no, no Mad Tom Tadpoles because the Southerners hadn’t come up before 1999.
[0:47:50 – 0:47:50] Erik: All right.
[0:47:51 – 0:47:52] Erik: They only started visiting in 2000.
[0:47:52 – 0:47:54] Adam: So it’s a pretty decent lake trout lake.
[0:47:55 – 0:47:56] Adam: I mean, I think it…
[0:47:56 – 0:47:58] Adam: I’ve always heard about the potential of the big pike in there.
[0:47:59 – 0:48:00] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:48:00 – 0:48:01] Adam: The numbers seem to back that up.
[0:48:02 – 0:48:07] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know if I necessarily want to read the 1999 status of the fishery paragraph.
[0:48:08 – 0:48:15] Adam: It always seems that the farther you get from the survey, then the less confidence you have in those numbers being right.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:16 – 0:48:22] Adam: And they don’t even really have that great of a chance of being right in that literal sense, even in 99.
[0:48:23 – 0:48:26] Adam: I mean, it’s just a snapshot on a couple days in time.
[0:48:27 – 0:48:52] Erik: right yeah so just because they didn’t catch a 40 inch pike and their nets doesn’t mean really anything yeah well before we speak too out of turn let’s let uh let’s let andy have his say on fishing and then i’ll just let you know what i think based on when i’ve been out there and just some stories of people that i’ve spoken with over the years in terms of fishing take it away i’m on the edge of my seat
[0:48:55 – 0:48:57] Andy: What is the fishing vibe on Tuscarora?
[0:48:59 – 0:49:01] Andy: Two words, lake trout.
[0:49:01 – 0:49:04] Andy: Tuscarora is synonymous with lake trout.
[0:49:05 – 0:49:13] Andy: And the whole area to the west of us here on Round Lake, with the exception of Round, is all lake trout and northerns.
[0:49:13 – 0:49:22] Andy: You won’t find any bass or walleyes until you go through Little Sag, down through Elton, down through Makwa, and then hit
[0:49:22 – 0:49:27] Andy: Pan, that’s the first lake that direction that you’ll find some bass and walleyes.
[0:49:27 – 0:49:35] Andy: And going the other direction, if you’re going up to the northwest, you’ve got to get to Ogish through Agamuck and Mueller to find any bass or walleyes.
[0:49:36 – 0:49:48] Andy: So that big chunk of the boundary waters with the four big lakes, Tuscarora, Gillis, Gabby, and Little Sag, and all the surrounding lakes there, it’s all lake trout and northern pike, and it’s
[0:49:49 – 0:49:54] Andy: Probably not hyperbole to say it is the best lake trout fishing in the entire Boundary Waters.
[0:49:54 – 0:49:56] Andy: Tuscarora is no exception.
[0:49:56 – 0:49:57] Andy: It’s a solid lake trout lake.
[0:49:58 – 0:50:05] Andy: Tuscarora has a good population of small lake trout like most of the lakes in that area.
[0:50:05 – 0:50:12] Andy: It can be a little more mercurial in terms of fishing compared to like Gillis or Peter or Little Sag.
[0:50:12 – 0:50:16] Andy: That might have to do with the year-round pressure that Tuscarora gets.
[0:50:17 – 0:50:24] Andy: Um, the, the other lakes in the area do not get much or any winter pressure, but Tuscarora does.
[0:50:24 – 0:50:31] Andy: Um, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a real solid lake trout lake, especially compared to other areas of the boundary waters.
[0:50:31 – 0:50:33] Andy: It’s, it’s really is a good fishery.
[0:50:34 – 0:50:34] Andy: Um,
[0:50:35 – 0:50:40] Andy: Fishing on Tuscarora in the summer, or I guess just to say spring, is when you really want to start.
[0:50:40 – 0:50:42] Andy: You’d want to fish as early as possible.
[0:50:43 – 0:50:52] Andy: Right at fishing opener in that cold water is the best time to catch lake trout trolling or drifting with jigging spoons.
[0:50:53 – 0:50:54] Andy: is a great way to go.
[0:50:55 – 0:51:05] Andy: Salted minnows are excellent bait to like a Castmaster tip with a salted minnow, jigging around, you know, pretty close to some of the steep drop-offs.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:17] Andy: And, you know, where there’s some reefs, there’s some rock humps kind of over by the Owl Lake Portage off that campsite that can be pretty darn good early in the season.
[0:51:18 – 0:51:22] Andy: The other thing about Tuscarora is that you will find lake trout in,
[0:51:24 – 0:51:38] Andy: interesting locations like some of the flats in the lake that are primarily on the eastern end of the lake or like the bay where the portage from Missing Link comes into or the next bay over to the
[0:51:39 – 0:51:44] Andy: to the west, there’s not much structure and it’s pretty flat.
[0:51:45 – 0:51:57] Andy: And if you are struggling to catch lake trout in the classic steep drop-offs, reefs, kind of areas like that, you might try out those flats.
[0:51:58 – 0:52:07] Andy: They have been particularly successful in the winter, fishing with tip-ups and salted minnows, just basically right on bottom, and not big salted minnows, just like chubs or something like that.
[0:52:09 – 0:52:10] Andy: And I’m not sure why.
[0:52:10 – 0:52:18] Andy: I kind of think that there might be quite a bit of invertebrate forage on those flats, and that is what those lake trout are cruising for.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:46] Andy: another way to fish Tuscarora especially early in the season and this is kind of an oddball way to fish lake trout but it’s fun is from camp using a set line more or less like a slip bobber you know 10, 12, 15 feet down and using salted minnows again just out in front of camp like a good campsite to do that off of is the campsite it’s a really nice campsite next to the Owl Lake Portage just north of it there
[0:52:47 – 0:52:48] Andy: And watch those slip barbers.
[0:52:48 – 0:52:52] Andy: Those trout are going to come up shallow looking for bait fish that are more active in the warmer water.
[0:52:52 – 0:52:58] Andy: And it can be a lot of fun to sit in camp and catch lake trout like you would, you know, sunfish or bass.
[0:53:00 – 0:53:09] Andy: Tuscarora also, and it shares this with gillis and little sag especially, has some really nice northern pike in it.
[0:53:10 – 0:53:17] Andy: Every season, especially in the spring, we see at least one 40-inch northern, a photo usually,
[0:53:17 – 0:53:20] Andy: from Tuscarora and Gillis, respectively.
[0:53:20 – 0:53:21] Andy: People are out there.
[0:53:21 – 0:53:22] Andy: They’re all fishing for lake trout.
[0:53:23 – 0:53:24] Andy: No one’s fishing for these northerns.
[0:53:24 – 0:53:31] Andy: And they hook into what they think is some 40-inch monster lake trout, and it turns to be a 40-inch monster northern.
[0:53:32 – 0:53:35] Andy: There’s some really nice pike in the lakes west of here.
[0:53:36 – 0:53:43] Andy: And I think that one of the reasons that is is because of the large white sucker population in all the lakes west of here.
[0:53:43 – 0:53:51] Andy: And if you’ve ever been paddling through Tuscarora or Gillis in the spring or kind of like first week of June usually and you paddle in the shallows,
[0:53:52 – 0:53:57] Andy: You very, very well may see them swimming around, spawning and stuff like that.
[0:53:57 – 0:54:02] Andy: They like to spawn in moving water, but they also like to spawn in the sand flats.
[0:54:02 – 0:54:12] Andy: For instance, off that, there’s a sand beach campsite that is in the next bay over from the portage bay from Missing Link on Tuscarora to the west.
[0:54:12 – 0:54:15] Andy: And you can sometimes see suckers spawning up in the sand there.
[0:54:15 – 0:54:15] Andy: It’s pretty cool.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:26] Adam: All right, well, it was nice to hear him talk about the rock humps out in front of the campsite by Owl.
[0:54:27 – 0:54:27] Erik: Campsite number one.
[0:54:28 – 0:54:29] Adam: That’s hole number one.
[0:54:29 – 0:54:39] Adam: And, yeah, it really is a good-looking spot when you’re looking at it from the satellites and just on the maps of the lake in general.
[0:54:40 – 0:54:41] Adam: But, yeah.
[0:54:41 – 0:54:49] Adam: Yeah, that seems like the obvious one, but so it was interesting to hear him talk about like, well, if that obvious stuff isn’t working early in the year, then try those flats.
[0:54:50 – 0:54:50] Erik: Very interesting.
[0:54:51 – 0:55:03] Adam: And it was, you know, not surprising, but interesting to hear about how these are all good lakes in that area west of there, but how, you know, obviously Tuscarora is going to get a little more winter pressure than Little Sag.
[0:55:04 – 0:55:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:55:04 – 0:55:05] Adam: But, yeah, I don’t know.
[0:55:05 – 0:55:11] Adam: I’ve always had some pretty decent luck fishing flats, as they call them, in the winter especially.
[0:55:11 – 0:55:15] Adam: But I hadn’t really thought about just trying to, like, jig through there or troll through the flats.
[0:55:15 – 0:55:16] Adam: Yeah, you’re always looking.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:23] Adam: I guess I’m always looking for, like, something a little more extreme, deep to real shallow, and then back down, you know.
[0:55:23 – 0:55:23] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:23 – 0:55:42] Adam: sometimes it is just better to go with the flats because they are in there and i think it’s he’s right i think it’s that invertebrates uh the forage and that’s drawn them into those flats so anyways he obviously knows a lot more about fishing especially on these lakes than i could ever know so it was really thank you for sharing that information andy
[0:55:43 – 0:55:56] Erik: I’ve always kind of known it just because, you know, I get by a lot of times, spoiler, on seeming like I know like what I’m doing by just having memorized what species are in what lakes.
[0:55:57 – 0:56:03] Erik: And I’ve always known that like this little area like Tuscarora, Long Island, Little Sag, Gillis, Crooked.
[0:56:03 – 0:56:04] Erik: The lake trout in northern.
[0:56:04 – 0:56:06] Erik: It’s just kind of the lakers and pike lakes.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:07] Erik: And that’s all that’s in there.
[0:56:08 – 0:56:09] Erik: And I like…
[0:56:09 – 0:56:10] Erik: I’d love to know why.
[0:56:10 – 0:56:12] Erik: Like, why is there like a little pocket?
[0:56:12 – 0:56:16] Erik: Because it seems like every other lake in the area has been pretty well invaded with bass.
[0:56:16 – 0:56:17] Adam: Yeah, these are just pure.
[0:56:17 – 0:56:19] Adam: Yeah, why are these still pure?
[0:56:19 – 0:56:34] Erik: But then there’s also like, sure, I get walleye because, I don’t know, they seem like they take kind of fairly specific kinds of lakes with some spawning structure, a little bit of moving water, nutrients, you know.
[0:56:34 – 0:56:39] Erik: But then you look at Clearwater and Mountain and West Pike and those strike me as like,
[0:56:42 – 0:56:49] Erik: pike and trout lakes, but they’re only lake trout and small moth bass.
[0:56:50 – 0:56:59] Erik: There’s something different about the little trout pocket that’s west of the Gunflint Trail that’s different than the trout pocket that’s east of the Gunflint Trail.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:00] Erik: It seems like there’s maybe…
[0:57:00 – 0:57:07] Adam: Part of that whole 15 feet of clarity versus the lakes and the bento may be just a little too clear.
[0:57:07 – 0:57:08] Erik: Too clear for the pike?
[0:57:09 – 0:57:09] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:57:09 – 0:57:10] Adam: Maybe it’s the suckers, too.
[0:57:10 – 0:57:11] Adam: You talked about that.
[0:57:11 – 0:57:17] Adam: You see really healthy sucker populations, and maybe that’s more helpful to the pike.
[0:57:19 – 0:57:23] Adam: Whereas the bugs and the ciscos that you get, that’s maybe a little more helpful to the trouties.
[0:57:24 – 0:57:31] Erik: Yeah, those lakes, they seem like, at this point, based on history, depending on how far back you go, it’s debatable.
[0:57:34 – 0:57:40] Erik: Don’t get bent out of shape, anybody here, but it is kind of debatable on who’s native and who’s not.
[0:57:41 – 0:57:48] Erik: But the lakes around Tuscarora seem like they might be the most natural lakes.
[0:57:48 – 0:57:58] Erik: Because, yeah, Clearwater and Mountain, they’ve got some healthy native populations of lake trout that have been there for as long as anybody has records.
[0:57:58 – 0:57:59] Erik: But they’re also like…
[0:58:01 – 0:58:23] Adam: festooned with smallmouth festooned with bass so you know and those are clearly not like we all know that the bass are not well i’ve always thought i’ve always heard that and um that’s the way i i felt was uh the way they were set up was that those laker and pike lakes those are the that’s the pure combo over there yeah for sure they’re uh they haven’t been they haven’t been messed with
[0:58:23 – 0:58:30] Erik: Yeah, maybe it’s the existence of the pike that has kept the smallies from pervading too much.
[0:58:30 – 0:58:33] Adam: I really found it interesting.
[0:58:34 – 0:58:44] Adam: That takes me back to childhood, watching suckers spawning in the rivers and just hearing about them talk about how you’re able to, in the early season…
[0:58:45 – 0:59:07] Adam: see the suckers in there spawning yeah that is always neat to see i i believe we did see that uh heading towards owl there near the moving uh or maybe it was in the owl going in uh to the next lake over that we saw him in the moving water bunch of suckers early in the year i’ve always liked that owl doesn’t have a campsite on it either
[0:59:07 – 0:59:08] Adam: Yeah, it’s a buffer lake.
[0:59:09 – 0:59:10] Erik: It’s a nice buffer lake.
[0:59:10 – 0:59:11] Erik: We need more buffer lakes out there.
[0:59:12 – 0:59:12] SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
[0:59:13 – 0:59:14] Erik: Petition for buffer lakes.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:18] Erik: Petition to change one of the two caribous to wolf.
[0:59:20 – 0:59:25] Erik: Write your congressmen and or senators and or mayors.
[0:59:26 – 0:59:32] Erik: We’re going to finish with a little bit of information here from Andy on the mystery lake that is Thelma.
[0:59:33 – 0:59:35] Erik: Why you got a 30-rod portage going into you?
[0:59:35 – 0:59:35] Erik: What’s in there?
[0:59:36 – 0:59:41] Erik: And we could have maybe done some research, but we’re going to wait and get the information straight from the source.
[0:59:42 – 0:59:42] Erik: I’m excited.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:44] Erik: We saved the best for last.
[0:59:44 – 0:59:47] Erik: Last time on SAG, and I feel like we’re saving it best for last again.
[0:59:47 – 0:59:48] Adam: Oh, absolutely, yeah.
[0:59:48 – 0:59:50] Adam: There’s not much out there on Thelma.
[0:59:51 – 0:59:53] Erik: If it turns out to be a bream honey hole, I’m…
[0:59:54 – 0:59:57] Adam: I know more about Blue Snow Lake than I know about Thelma.
[0:59:57 – 0:59:58] Erik: I’m going there tomorrow.
[1:00:01 – 1:00:02] Andy: Thelma Lake.
[1:00:04 – 1:00:08] Andy: Well, truthfully, I don’t know a whole lot about Thelma.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:23] Andy: What I do know about it is that it’s a good northern pike lake, and I suspect that that’s why that portage trail remains there from Tuscarora into Thelma.
[1:00:23 – 1:00:28] Andy: It’s totally user-maintained, people going back and forth and doing some fishing.
[1:00:28 – 1:00:28] Andy: I would…
[1:00:29 – 1:00:39] Andy: be pretty confident that if you hit that lake early in the season when it’s warmer than Tuscarora and especially back in the bays that you can pick up some nice northern pike.
[1:00:39 – 1:00:43] Andy: We’ve seen some nice pike come out of there and some little pike too.
[1:00:44 – 1:00:53] Andy: But it’s a fun lake to go throw a steel leader on and cast your daredevil or your husky jerk or something like that working along the shoreline.
[1:00:53 – 1:00:55] Andy: Because you can very frequently…
[1:00:56 – 1:00:59] Andy: you know, get some action in there when Tuscarora is kind of slow.
[1:01:00 – 1:01:06] Andy: Um, it also could be used if you’re real hardcore to access the Harry Lake PMA, um, from the North down there.
[1:01:07 – 1:01:11] Andy: Um, I, uh, I don’t know if anyone’s ever done that.
[1:01:11 – 1:01:15] Andy: I mean, it looks like it is conceivable that it’s possible, but, uh,
[1:01:15 – 1:01:27] Andy: I think it would be pretty darn miserable to try to probably just bushwhack along the creeks down to your, I guess, to the southeast towards Frost Lake.
[1:01:29 – 1:01:42] Andy: I think we have had one or two people over the years attempt it, try to get from Thelma down to Frost, but I believe the success rate has been zero.
[1:01:46 – 1:02:12] Erik: I mean, there’s one of the nice things about the podcast like this where we kind of try and meld our experiences and our knowledge with maybe a little bit of humor, maybe sometimes too much humor, is you get an opportunity to improve because otherwise,
[1:02:12 – 1:02:13] Erik: I don’t believe.
[1:02:13 – 1:02:16] Erik: Well, there’s a few people out there that may have been born with that comedic timing.
[1:02:17 – 1:02:29] Erik: But the comedic timing of Andy going out basically saying that the success rate on the Thelma to Frost’s PMA run was zero made me laugh out loud very hard.
[1:02:30 – 1:02:35] Adam: So it’s essentially Pike Lake and just a steel leader lake.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:36] Adam: It’s a steel leader lake.
[1:02:36 – 1:02:38] Adam: I think this is going to be a new kind of lake.
[1:02:39 – 1:02:41] Adam: Now we’ve identified two types of lakes out of the five.
[1:02:41 – 1:02:44] Adam: It’s air-conditioned lakes and steel leader lakes.
[1:02:44 – 1:02:50] Erik: Yeah, and ones where the Fisher Map Company has just not erased a historical portage, which is what it sounds like.
[1:02:50 – 1:02:52] Adam: Yeah, I agree.
[1:02:52 – 1:02:55] Adam: I don’t think that’s the way into the Harry Lake PMA, though.
[1:02:55 – 1:02:57] Adam: I pretty much guarantee there’s a better way in.
[1:02:58 – 1:03:01] Erik: Yeah, we’ve been there, and it’s from Copper.
[1:03:02 – 1:03:07] Erik: We’ve got to find a way up from the south to connect that loop, and then we’ll have our own personal park.
[1:03:07 – 1:03:09] Erik: We’ve always talked about that.
[1:03:10 – 1:03:13] Erik: Well, I mean, you can’t win them all.
[1:03:14 – 1:03:19] Erik: Three out of four of the tracks that Annie provided were amazing and very enlightening.
[1:03:19 – 1:03:22] Erik: Not that the Thelma track was bad, but I had my hopes set very high.
[1:03:22 – 1:03:23] Adam: Yeah, you thought it was going to be bream water.
[1:03:23 – 1:03:26] Erik: Football breams, like football-sized breams.
[1:03:26 – 1:03:30] Adam: Well, if there was football-sized breams in there, he wouldn’t say it.
[1:03:30 – 1:03:32] Adam: No, right, right.
[1:03:32 – 1:03:33] Adam: Wink.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:35] Erik: It’s a steel leader lake.
[1:03:35 – 1:03:38] Erik: It’s just a little bit of a stinker pike lake.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:38] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[1:03:39 – 1:03:40] Adam: Yeah, I think I looked.
[1:03:40 – 1:03:42] Adam: I tried to look up information on Thelma.
[1:03:42 – 1:03:44] Adam: I don’t think there’s anything out there on it.
[1:03:44 – 1:03:44] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:45 – 1:03:46] Adam: Never been surveyed.
[1:03:46 – 1:03:49] Erik: It’s probably one of those kind of sewer lakes, like State.
[1:03:49 – 1:03:55] Adam: Well, and the map he had sent over, too, showed the cabins on Big Round.
[1:03:55 – 1:04:19] Adam: the whole big round yeah you’re calling it big round now yeah that’s so cool yeah then it showed like another portage from tuscarora up to blue snow that really had me intrigued and so i looked into that and that one is still like a like a renowned lake trout lake sure well it’s in the vein yeah time to the only time to get in there is in the winter because i don’t think that portage is there anymore
[1:04:19 – 1:04:20] Erik: No, highly doubtful.
[1:04:22 – 1:04:26] Erik: Didn’t ask any questions on blue snow, but I love the name.
[1:04:26 – 1:04:34] Adam: Yeah, one of the cooler named lakes, and who knows if it’s always been blue snow, but I’m glad it’s blue snow now when I’m alive.
[1:04:34 – 1:04:37] Erik: Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, snow does kind of look blue.
[1:04:38 – 1:04:38] Erik: Sometimes it does.
[1:04:39 – 1:04:39] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:41 – 1:04:50] Adam: Well, thank you for those excellent tracks and responses to our questions, and we always appreciate your elocutions, Andy.
[1:04:51 – 1:04:52] Erik: Yeah, that was great.
[1:04:52 – 1:04:55] Erik: It just so happened to be that…
[1:04:57 – 1:04:59] Erik: Looking back on it now, I mean, it was what it was.
[1:04:59 – 1:05:02] Erik: It was a very, very windy spring.
[1:05:02 – 1:05:05] Erik: I don’t think we would have had an opportunity to do much more.
[1:05:06 – 1:05:18] Erik: But now, based on what I know, which is just how packed the park is, I feel like I kind of squandered two weeks of, like, for sure guaranteed you’re going to be able to go and look at all the sites.
[1:05:18 – 1:05:18] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:18 – 1:05:19] Erik: But, like…
[1:05:20 – 1:05:38] Adam: you remember it was a tough one to get it was that whole spring was insane we were out there on the one day when it wasn’t that windy and it was still kind of windy so yeah well it was just a neat thing to be able to go out in may and get every campsite on tuscarora and yeah yeah wouldn’t be able to pull that off now that’s for sure
[1:05:39 – 1:05:49] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know, for whatever reason, it seemed like one of the more, yeah, it was a couple of portages away, but more attainable than a reasonable number of campsites.
[1:05:50 – 1:05:52] Erik: Like 10, you can do 10 in a day.
[1:05:53 – 1:05:56] Erik: Anything over 10, that’s a multi-day deal.
[1:05:57 – 1:05:59] Adam: Unless you have a two-horse and a flatback.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:05] Erik: Yeah, unless you’ve got one of those sweet log cabins on the shores of the Howell Beach.
[1:06:07 – 1:06:07] Erik: All right.
[1:06:08 – 1:06:13] Erik: Well, this has been a little bit of a roundup episode finishing up Tuscarora.
[1:06:13 – 1:06:15] Erik: I think I only have one more thing to say.
[1:06:15 – 1:06:17] Erik: It’s not too in-depth.
[1:06:17 – 1:06:19] Erik: It’s more of a teaser.
[1:06:19 – 1:06:21] Erik: But before we get to that, do you have anything else?
[1:06:22 – 1:06:23] Adam: Liz Lake is not all dried up.
[1:06:24 – 1:06:25] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:06:25 – 1:06:33] Adam: I heard a report that somebody I know went to go down to Liz, and they got down there and said, yeah, it’s all dried up.
[1:06:33 – 1:06:34] Adam: We had to turn back.
[1:06:35 – 1:06:35] Adam: Yeah.
[1:06:36 – 1:06:37] Adam: And I said, what?
[1:06:37 – 1:06:52] Adam: no uh yeah it’s been dry it’s a deep trout lake yeah maybe the landing was a little bit dry but like the lake i’m guessing it was more of the landing not the intent because at first the way they said it i was just like what the lake is dried up that to me means it’s just
[1:06:53 – 1:07:21] Adam: empty yeah you would have heard about that in other places yeah so i asked you and you go no i haven’t heard that and then uh natalie’s folks were doing a trip down they were doing banadad like winchell back up through caribou and liz so they got back on so they put in that skipper uh yeah i got what i guess so yeah well off of poplar yeah yeah the right the farthest northwest entry permit yeah they said they’re going for banadad for the first night did they get the island
[1:07:21 – 1:07:22] Adam: I believe they did.
[1:07:22 – 1:07:26] Adam: I haven’t actually had a chance to get together, but I said, go for the island site.
[1:07:26 – 1:07:27] Adam: That’s a great site.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:28] Adam: And they said, yeah, that’s what we’re going for.
[1:07:29 – 1:07:30] Erik: Bananadad’s a sweet lake.
[1:07:30 – 1:07:31] Erik: It is a sweet lake.
[1:07:31 – 1:07:34] Erik: We should do a review episode just fully on Bananadad because it’s so underappreciated.
[1:07:35 – 1:07:35] Adam: I think it is, yeah.
[1:07:36 – 1:07:38] Adam: So anyways, I knew they were going to be coming through there.
[1:07:38 – 1:07:43] Adam: So then when we got back from Brulai, then I sent Ty a message.
[1:07:43 – 1:07:45] Adam: I said, hey, was Liz all dried up?
[1:07:45 – 1:07:48] Adam: He goes, no, it smelled a little boggy.
[1:07:49 – 1:07:51] Adam: It was a little low, but it was not.
[1:07:51 – 1:07:53] Adam: They were able to paddle through.
[1:07:53 – 1:07:56] Adam: So one person’s all dried up is just another person’s.
[1:07:56 – 1:07:57] Adam: It was a little low.
[1:07:57 – 1:08:02] Adam: So remember that when you hear some intel, just to make sure you try and double verify that.
[1:08:02 – 1:08:04] Erik: That’d be pretty huge news, I feel like.
[1:08:04 – 1:08:06] Adam: Yeah, Liz is a major thoroughfare.
[1:08:06 – 1:08:07] Adam: It’s a major entry point.
[1:08:07 – 1:08:10] Adam: Yeah, I was like, didn’t they just redo the landings with nice boardwalks and such?
[1:08:11 – 1:08:13] Erik: We would have heard something from Carl at Rockwood on that if it
[1:08:13 – 1:08:30] Adam: would have been the case he sends people out there every day anyways you know yeah it’s dry but as we know we’ve gotten some nice rain so everything’s fine liz is still there liz is still there you can all have your 90 degree campfires i know it’s nice to keep the bugs away but
[1:08:31 – 1:08:53] Adam: um yeah no other than that uh i haven’t seen any toads um that’s about it that’s all that’s all i got usually by now i would have seen some nice toads so we’re a little behind on toad season the fire weed’s starting to creep up uh yeah it’s middle of middle of july officially time to float and fish a river
[1:08:54 – 1:08:56] Erik: Yeah, time to float and fish a river.
[1:08:56 – 1:08:58] Erik: Time to just float, I say.
[1:08:59 – 1:09:00] Adam: I’ve been doing it all week.
[1:09:00 – 1:09:02] Erik: I’ve been doing enough floating.
[1:09:02 – 1:09:05] Erik: Yeah, so we’re going to leave you here.
[1:09:06 – 1:09:10] Erik: If you’re listening on the day that this came out, it’s probably coming out a little bit early.
[1:09:11 – 1:09:14] Erik: That’s because I’m a busy man.
[1:09:15 – 1:09:22] Erik: And I’m not going to be able to be in the studio or be able to put anything out on our typical Sundays.
[1:09:22 – 1:09:24] Adam: Just over here being a modern boost room.
[1:09:24 – 1:09:27] Erik: Just over here being a modern boost room every day.
[1:09:28 – 1:09:34] Erik: They’re going by as fast as I drink beers in Studio K. It’s flying by.
[1:09:35 – 1:09:36] Erik: Anyway, this will be out a little early.
[1:09:38 – 1:09:40] Erik: Next week will be the question of the week.
[1:09:40 – 1:09:41] Erik: How are you sleeping?
[1:09:42 – 1:09:42] Adam: Well, hey-ha.
[1:09:42 – 1:09:43] Erik: The battle rages on.
[1:09:44 – 1:09:46] Erik: I pose it as the fight to end all fights.
[1:09:46 – 1:09:48] Erik: Round two, ding, ding, ding.
[1:09:48 – 1:09:50] Erik: Tent versus hammock.
[1:09:50 – 1:09:51] Erik: Where are you at?
[1:09:51 – 1:09:52] Erik: What are you using?
[1:09:52 – 1:09:53] Erik: Sleeping pads?
[1:09:53 – 1:09:54] Erik: Sea to summit?
[1:09:55 – 1:09:58] Adam: What about these tents now where they got a hammock inside of a tent?
[1:09:58 – 1:09:59] Adam: Yeah, exactly.
[1:09:59 – 1:09:59] Adam: What’s up with those things?
[1:10:00 – 1:10:02] Erik: Or a tent that is a hammock.
[1:10:03 – 1:10:05] Erik: Yeah, air tents.
[1:10:05 – 1:10:06] Erik: See, that’s what I say.
[1:10:06 – 1:10:08] Erik: Maybe a new challenger will appear.
[1:10:08 – 1:10:11] Erik: Maybe there’s a whole other realm of sleeping.
[1:10:11 – 1:10:13] Adam: Or about these ground hammocks we’ve seen.
[1:10:15 – 1:10:15] Adam: Ground hammocks?
[1:10:15 – 1:10:17] Adam: You just roll yourself up in a tarp?
[1:10:19 – 1:10:20] Erik: I’m a ground hammocker.
[1:10:20 – 1:10:24] Erik: I just roll myself up in a wool blanket in a tarp.
[1:10:24 – 1:10:25] Erik: And then the honey comes over.
[1:10:25 – 1:10:27] Erik: I mean, the missus.
[1:10:27 – 1:10:29] Erik: She doesn’t like when I call her the honey.
[1:10:29 – 1:10:32] Erik: And she just sprays me down with 100% deet.
[1:10:33 – 1:10:34] Erik: You got the deet feet.
[1:10:34 – 1:10:35] Erik: Yep.
[1:10:36 – 1:10:38] Erik: Yeah, if you’re doing that, we want to know.
[1:10:38 – 1:10:39] Erik: That’s the question of the week.
[1:10:39 – 1:10:41] Erik: It’s been posed on our podcast.
[1:10:41 – 1:10:42] Erik: How’s she sleeping by?
[1:10:42 – 1:10:43] Erik: How’s she sleeping by?
[1:10:43 – 1:10:45] Erik: How you snoozing?
[1:10:45 – 1:10:46] Adam: It’s also on Facebook.
[1:10:47 – 1:10:49] Adam: I saw something chilling on our Tumble Home cast.
[1:10:49 – 1:10:53] Adam: It was a poster for the upcoming thriller, Bobby.
[1:10:53 – 1:10:56] Adam: There’s been some really good movie posters on our Tumble Home cast.
[1:10:57 – 1:10:59] Adam: Photoshop wizards over there.
[1:10:59 – 1:11:01] Erik: Some good stuff.
[1:11:01 – 1:11:07] Erik: What was the other movie poster that came out, too, that was like, I really wish Tumble Home Cinema Classics could watch that?
[1:11:07 – 1:11:07] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:10 – 1:11:11] Erik: I do remember Bobby.
[1:11:11 – 1:11:16] Erik: It was just a small child with a big hatchet over his arm.
[1:11:18 – 1:11:29] Erik: The only thing that I’m going to end with here is we’ll come back next week with more information on some things that we have in the works based on our intro to 102.
[1:11:31 – 1:11:49] Erik: uh the black lives matter movement the uh providing as much help towards communities that don’t have as much access to the boundary waters uh both as tumble home and as clear water we have been reaching out to some of these people um the the
[1:11:50 – 1:11:52] Erik: The conversations are happening.
[1:11:52 – 1:11:54] Erik: The hopper, it’s hot.
[1:11:54 – 1:11:54] Erik: It’s hot.
[1:11:54 – 1:12:01] Erik: The air, it’s like if the kernels are not popping, I would be shocked if they have not popped by next week.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:04] Erik: We’ll have some more information coming at you for sure.
[1:12:04 – 1:12:06] Erik: Going to be rolling out some things.
[1:12:06 – 1:12:07] Erik: moving into August.
[1:12:09 – 1:12:19] Erik: And I do appreciate the people that have helped us get to the point that we are with some of these projects and organizations because we would have not known about them otherwise.
[1:12:19 – 1:12:25] Erik: And I don’t want to get too far down the path of who they are and what the names are until we get a few things finalized.
[1:12:25 – 1:12:27] Erik: But you can look forward to that.
[1:12:27 – 1:12:29] Erik: We will be back next week with…
[1:12:31 – 1:12:37] Erik: Um, at the very, at the very least some names and hopefully some, uh, some hard information.
[1:12:37 – 1:12:37] Adam: Yeah.
[1:12:37 – 1:12:40] Adam: From what you’ve told me, I’m excited to hear more.
[1:12:40 – 1:12:43] Adam: You said you’re going to forward over some correspondence.
[1:12:43 – 1:12:44] Adam: Yes.
[1:12:44 – 1:12:46] Adam: And, uh, I didn’t, yeah.
[1:12:46 – 1:12:47] Adam: And I, I can’t wait to.
[1:12:49 – 1:12:50] Erik: Clearwater is involved.
[1:12:51 – 1:12:52] Adam: Get this popping corn popping.
[1:12:52 – 1:12:53] Erik: Tuscarora.
[1:12:54 – 1:12:54] Erik: I can’t.
[1:12:54 – 1:12:55] Erik: Sorry.
[1:12:55 – 1:12:56] Erik: Tuscarora may or may not be involved.
[1:12:56 – 1:12:57] Erik: I don’t think they are.
[1:12:57 – 1:12:58] Erik: I meant Tumble Home.
[1:12:58 – 1:13:03] Erik: Clearwater and Tumble Home are going to be involved in this as much as possible.
[1:13:04 – 1:13:11] Erik: I actually talked to some people on the phone about it, which is… That’s when you know it’s getting real.
[1:13:12 – 1:13:16] Erik: Emails are fun and all, but you can only really get something done over the phone.
[1:13:17 – 1:13:17] Erik: So…
[1:13:18 – 1:13:23] Erik: With that, I’m off into the woods again.
[1:13:23 – 1:13:24] Erik: I won’t be back for a week.
[1:13:25 – 1:13:27] Erik: It looks like it’s going to be hot.
[1:13:27 – 1:13:29] Erik: I get to have a fire again, which will be nice.
[1:13:30 – 1:13:36] Erik: And I’m just going to let Reddit and Facebook sit dormant with all those answers.
[1:13:36 – 1:13:41] Erik: So you’re going to have to mod the best, the hardest you’ve ever modded.
[1:13:41 – 1:13:44] SPEAKER_02: I can’t mod anymore.
[1:13:45 – 1:13:47] Adam: I’ll try and watch it.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:50] Adam: If you really got to get a hold of us, check us out on Instagram.
[1:13:50 – 1:13:53] Adam: That’s tumblehomecast, and that’s a direct line to me.
[1:13:54 – 1:14:00] Adam: But I do have the ability to look at the Facebook and the Reddit, too.
[1:14:01 – 1:14:03] Erik: Do you need me to bring in a third moderator to help?
[1:14:04 – 1:14:04] Adam: No, no.
[1:14:04 – 1:14:06] Adam: I’m totally going to be fine.
[1:14:06 – 1:14:10] Adam: We’re definitely not going to have any parties in the subreddit while you’re out camping, Eric.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:11] Adam: Don’t worry about it.
[1:14:11 – 1:14:13] Adam: No parties while Eric’s gone.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:14] Adam: No, we’re not going to do it.
[1:14:14 – 1:14:15] Adam: I swear.
[1:14:15 – 1:14:17] Adam: I’m just having a few friends over.
[1:14:17 – 1:14:18] Adam: Oh, no.
[1:14:18 – 1:14:18] Adam: It’s fine.
[1:14:18 – 1:14:19] Adam: I’ll be able to tell.
[1:14:19 – 1:14:23] Adam: This isn’t a party.
[1:14:23 – 1:14:24] Adam: I don’t know where the keg came from, Eric.
[1:14:24 – 1:14:25] Adam: Party in the subreddit.
[1:14:25 – 1:14:26] Adam: Yeah.
[1:14:27 – 1:14:32] Erik: All right, well, that was a fun little more laid-back conversation that we’ve had in a while.
[1:14:32 – 1:14:35] Adam: And, yeah, enjoy the rest of your Saturdays.
[1:14:36 – 1:14:38] Adam: All right, enjoy the rest of your Saturdays.
[1:14:38 – 1:14:41] Adam: Happy paddling, or happy floating, if you will.
[1:14:41 – 1:14:43] Adam: But that concludes episode 0106.
[1:14:44 – 1:14:46] Adam: Oh, it got you.
[1:14:46 – 1:14:48] Erik: Oh, you’ve been the champion.
[1:14:48 – 1:14:50] Erik: You’ve been my role model up to this point.
[1:14:50 – 1:14:52] Adam: Well, that’s because I shut my notepad already.
[1:14:53 – 1:14:53] Adam: 106.
[1:14:53 – 1:14:59] Adam: All right, so we’ve got to get going and go sit in front of my new air conditioning unit.
[1:15:00 – 1:15:01] Adam: Natalie made it.
[1:15:01 – 1:15:06] Adam: It’s a foam cooler with a fan and a hole in it and some ice packs.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:06] Adam: Okay.
[1:15:07 – 1:15:10] Erik: If the ice packs didn’t get mentioned, it would be very bad.
[1:15:10 – 1:15:13] Erik: It’s just a cooler empty with a hole in it.
[1:15:13 – 1:15:15] Erik: You’re just redirecting airflow.
[1:15:15 – 1:15:18] Adam: Yeah, it’s just… No, it actually works really nice, so…
[1:15:19 – 1:15:20] Adam: That’ll do it for us.
[1:15:20 – 1:15:22] Adam: We’ve got to go cooler jets.
[1:15:23 – 1:15:29] Adam: Thanks for being here tonight with us in Studio K. Cue the chiptunes?
[1:15:30 – 1:15:30] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:15:30 – 1:15:33] Erik: We say that all the time, and I no longer cue the chiptunes.
[1:15:33 – 1:15:35] Erik: Cue the Parker Millsap.
[1:15:35 – 1:15:37] Adam: Cue the Parker Millsap.
[1:15:37 – 1:15:40] Adam: He’s like the next Elvis, I heard.
[1:15:40 – 1:15:40] Adam: Yep.
[1:15:54 – 1:16:17] SPEAKER_02: They go brow, we go brow My friends they took my brow I’ll meet you by the nickel bone tree We go tree, they go tree I’ll meet you by the nickel bone tree
[1:16:38 – 1:17:06] SPEAKER_02: I’m known here for my looks It’s my story I’m known here for my looks There were plenty of us to go around And we are starving There were plenty of us to go around
[1:17:20 – 1:17:21] UNKNOWN: Thank you.
[1:17:40 – 1:17:52] SPEAKER_02: Wrong time, wrong time
