107: Sweet Dreams-Round 1

Episode Transcript

[0:00:34 – 0:00:37] Erik: Ding, ding, ding, and welcome to Tumble Home.
[0:00:37 – 0:00:39] Erik: This is a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:47] Erik: My name is Eric, as always joined by my good friend and rage monster, Adam.
[0:00:47 – 0:00:48] Erik: Hello, Adam.
[0:00:49 – 0:00:49] Adam: Welcome.
[0:00:50 – 0:00:52] Adam: Welcome to the show, Eric.
[0:00:52 – 0:00:56] Adam: Welcome to Studio K. There’s an RVer parked in my parking spot.
[0:00:57 – 0:00:57] Adam: Yeah.
[0:00:57 – 0:01:01] Adam: Random RVer just set up in my spot.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:04] Erik: I thought you could camp anywhere on the streets of Grand Marais.
[0:01:04 – 0:01:06] Adam: Yeah, that’s one way to sleep.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:10] Erik: Yeah, if anybody writes in that they just sleep on the street.
[0:01:11 – 0:01:15] Adam: And yesterday the weather forecast literally said, don’t sleep in an RV, it’s not safe.
[0:01:15 – 0:01:16] Erik: Yeah, or a tent.
[0:01:16 – 0:01:18] Adam: Not a tent, not an RV.
[0:01:18 – 0:01:19] Erik: Tenting or hammocks.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:22] Erik: Tents and RVs are not safe shelters for tonight.
[0:01:22 – 0:01:27] Adam: I’ve never seen a weather forecast where they’re like, just please consider not staying in the Boundary Waters tonight.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:29] Erik: Yeah, no, that was a wacky…
[0:01:29 – 0:01:30] Erik: I’ve never seen that before either.
[0:01:31 – 0:01:32] Adam: It really drizzled hard here.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:33] Adam: Yeah, and then obviously…
[0:01:33 – 0:01:38] Adam: I can see why you wouldn’t want to be in an RV on the streets, the mean streets of Grand Marais.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:38] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:01:39 – 0:01:42] Erik: Yeah, so this is a Boundary Writers Podcast.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:45] Erik: We are, as always, sponsored by our fine friends on Patreon.
[0:01:47 – 0:01:52] Erik: We will be back soon, probably next week, with another movie, Tumble Home Cinema Classics.
[0:01:52 – 0:01:53] Erik: Haven’t…
[0:01:53 – 0:01:56] Adam: Watching Massacre on Crooked Lake on DVD.
[0:01:56 – 0:01:59] Erik: Yeah, I think we’re going to do Surviving Crooked Lake.
[0:02:00 – 0:02:02] Adam: I thought it was Massacre on Crooked Lake.
[0:02:02 – 0:02:04] Erik: No, Surviving Crooked Lake.
[0:02:04 – 0:02:06] Erik: And I’ll have to get you the DVD after I watch it.
[0:02:06 – 0:02:08] Erik: It’s real old school style here.
[0:02:08 – 0:02:10] Adam: Can you mail me that DVD?
[0:02:10 – 0:02:12] Erik: I’ll mail that down to you, yeah.
[0:02:13 – 0:02:16] Adam: This is episode 107 of Tumble Home.
[0:02:16 – 0:02:17] Erik: Yeah, I shouldn’t forget.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:18] Erik: It is 107.
[0:02:18 – 0:02:19] Erik: 107 of Tumble Home.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:22] Erik: 107.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:27] Erik: We got a nice beer sponsorship here from Max, friend of the show, Kaven.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:31] Erik: I think I finally pronounced his last name right because he spelled it out for me.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:32] Erik: Kaven?
[0:02:32 – 0:02:33] Erik: Phonetically.
[0:02:33 – 0:02:34] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:35 – 0:02:36] Adam: Max, our good friend Max.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:37] Adam: Thanks, Max.
[0:02:37 – 0:02:38] Adam: Define Photography.
[0:02:38 – 0:02:40] Adam: We’re definitely friends on Instagram.
[0:02:41 – 0:03:10] Adam: oh yeah i think uh i think clearwater is as well and as a professional and i’m just screwing around on instagram yeah i mean you’re doing you’re doing you we’ve got uh some three sheeps from sheboygan oh i know where sheboygan is yeah yeah sheboygan i seen foreigner one time at broadfest eric oh my gosh that’s an entirely truthful statement anybody from sheboygan knows i don’t know anybody would ever make 99 that was a hell of a year for a foreigner ready
[0:03:11 – 0:03:13] Erik: Yeah, juicy, pale ale.
[0:03:13 – 0:03:14] Adam: Sheesh.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:17] Adam: Never had a beer from Sheboygan.
[0:03:18 – 0:03:19] Adam: That’s not true.
[0:03:20 – 0:03:21] Erik: Yeah, what else is from Sheboygan?
[0:03:21 – 0:03:21] Erik: Cheers.
[0:03:22 – 0:03:24] Erik: I’m not drinking, but I’m not going to lie.
[0:03:27 – 0:03:28] Adam: Those are drinking LaCroix.
[0:03:28 – 0:03:30] Erik: That’s a LaCroix I cracked there.
[0:03:31 – 0:04:00] Erik: yep it’s the annual the annual tradition of fourth of july and then not drinking for two weeks afterwards fool you overdid it ah yeah so this week we’re going to get back into it sky versus ground sleepers how you sleeping what kind of z’s are you catching out there or do you just not sleep you just get that moon madness out there and yeah that’s hashtag ground
[0:04:00 – 0:04:24] Erik: yeah yeah i imagine those are the ground sleepers sleeping out on the rock yeah ledge and uh so we staring up at comet neo ways do you have any notes before we get into it have you seen the comet i have not i cannot like i said i i i don’t make it to pure darkness i wake up in pure darkness sometimes maybe then yeah maybe you got to get a morning peep on that comet
[0:04:25 – 0:04:30] Erik: Yeah, I mean, I need all the Z’s I can get in my home base bed at this point.
[0:04:30 – 0:04:35] Adam: I got two items to get to before we get into the responses on the question of the week.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:35] Erik: Okay.
[0:04:36 – 0:04:39] Adam: First off, shout out to our BWCA.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:41] Adam: I’m just kidding.
[0:04:43 – 0:04:44] Adam: They don’t have any taste.
[0:04:45 – 0:04:47] Adam: Those hacks.
[0:04:47 – 0:04:49] Adam: Our good friends on our Tumble Home cast.
[0:04:50 – 0:04:50] Adam: Is that it?
[0:04:52 – 0:04:56] Erik: T-H-C. You don’t get to slag on the other and then not remember ours.
[0:04:56 – 0:04:58] Adam: Why do I have to remember it?
[0:04:58 – 0:04:59] Adam: It just comes up in the feed.
[0:04:59 – 0:05:00] Adam: Yeah, Tumble Home cast.
[0:05:00 – 0:05:23] Adam: our tumble home cast somebody posted a beautiful wall of coglins merchandise oh yes and uh you could like if somebody in the comments said like it’s like a where’s waldo you can just click it and zoom in and like look at there’s like a thousand different coglins items yeah with some like nice things sprinkled in amongst them yeah just so you know you have options yeah you gotta there is a better tent uh tent stake out there friend yeah
[0:05:23 – 0:05:43] Erik: one of my favorite comments on that post was the god help you if you’re if you have to depend on your life for the snake bite kit yeah what the hell’s in a coglin snake bite kit it’s probably just like a little tweezer picker thing oh my god it can’t be anything it’s not a venom sucker oh maybe maybe a little like paste it’s a little paste that draws it out
[0:05:43 – 0:06:08] Adam: it’s probably just like a little rubber hose jb weld just two tubes of jb weld yeah just cover it up one seal the cap yeah and there’s just a picture of a rattlesnake head right on the picture too right on the cover you know you’re getting my favorite one was the coglins butterfly net if we ever anybody ever sees a coglins butterfly net we got to get those in stock at the in the outfitting uh at clearwater
[0:06:09 – 0:06:10] Erik: Yeah, maybe for the kids.
[0:06:10 – 0:06:12] Adam: How many different kinds of butterflies can we catch?
[0:06:12 – 0:06:13] Adam: That’ll maybe be my next book.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:18] Adam: Butterflies of the Boundary Waters, episode 230.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:19] Erik: 230, wow.
[0:06:20 – 0:06:21] Adam: Think about it.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:22] Erik: Think about it, yeah.
[0:06:22 – 0:06:22] Erik: Get it.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:23] Erik: That was a fun one.
[0:06:24 – 0:06:26] Erik: What else was up on there recently that was fun?
[0:06:27 – 0:06:32] Erik: If you’re not on there, our Tumble Homecast, there’s a lot of photoshopping of beers going on.
[0:06:33 – 0:06:38] Adam: Yeah, there was just like a red stripe with just coglins instead of red stripe.
[0:06:39 – 0:07:03] Adam: yeah and uh yeah it made me thirsty today coming to you live from studio k on tumble home it is 18th of july 2020 this godforsaken summer check blueberry and raspberry patches eric sunsets at 8 54 p.m it’s like gone it’s gone down like five minutes in two weeks
[0:07:03 – 0:07:05] Adam: Yeah, well, we’re not quite to llamas yet.
[0:07:06 – 0:07:11] Adam: That’ll be on August 1st, and then after that, then we start getting a little more steep decline.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:14] Erik: And that’s when we judge the crops.
[0:07:15 – 0:07:15] Adam: Yeah, llamas.
[0:07:16 – 0:07:18] Erik: And how well we’re going to survive the winter.
[0:07:18 – 0:07:20] Adam: How are we doing by there?
[0:07:21 – 0:07:22] Adam: So that’s what I had for you.
[0:07:23 – 0:07:23] Erik: Nice.
[0:07:23 – 0:07:32] Erik: Well, before we get into the social media, let’s throw some respect towards the emails.
[0:07:33 – 0:07:33] Erik: Hey!
[0:07:34 – 0:07:36] Erik: And then we did get an email on the topic.
[0:07:36 – 0:07:38] Erik: One of the first responses that we got.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:45] Erik: Seems like we’ve been toying and teasing this question for a while because this email came in on July 1st.
[0:07:45 – 0:07:48] Adam: This is one of the longer standing questions of the week.
[0:07:48 – 0:07:50] Adam: Multiple weeks involved.
[0:07:50 – 0:08:04] Erik: Yeah, and before we get into this, just in case there are people listening that didn’t see or read some of the questions that I posed, and just maybe the main reason that we’re doing this is this was the first question we ever asked over two years ago.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:10] Erik: And it was a fun episode, but it was like a half and half one, and it was only like a couple of responses.
[0:08:10 – 0:08:11] Erik: It was mostly us talking.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:19] Erik: And now that there are a few more people listening, I thought it would be fun to throw the question back up because I haven’t really changed all that much in what I do.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:27] Erik: And so I don’t think we’re going to go into too much depth into, you know, we’ll probably do a little refresher, but not nearly as much as we did a couple of years ago.
[0:08:27 – 0:08:37] Erik: I’m mostly interested in seeing, you know, maybe there’s been some improvements you recommended or was maybe hoping for some kind of a ground hammock scenario where you just got rolled up and sprayed down.
[0:08:38 – 0:08:39] Erik: Or an air tent.
[0:08:40 – 0:08:43] Erik: Yeah, so we’re going to see maybe some wild things out there.
[0:08:43 – 0:08:45] Adam: Yeah, that was probably two years ago we did that episode.
[0:08:46 – 0:08:47] Erik: Yeah, it was the spring of 2018.
[0:08:47 – 0:08:50] Erik: It was deer, moon, and hammocks.
[0:08:50 – 0:08:51] Erik: Nice.
[0:08:51 – 0:08:53] Erik: Yeah, those connoisseur lakes.
[0:08:53 – 0:08:54] Adam: I love deer and moon.
[0:08:55 – 0:08:56] Erik: Yeah, who doesn’t?
[0:08:56 – 0:08:56] Erik: Deer one.
[0:08:57 – 0:08:57] Adam: Deer one.
[0:08:58 – 0:08:58] Adam: Great campsite.
[0:08:59 – 0:08:59] Erik: The only one.
[0:08:59 – 0:09:00] Adam: Right on the portage.
[0:09:01 – 0:09:01] Adam: Very convenient.
[0:09:03 – 0:09:06] Adam: Well, I don’t scream in my sleep as much anymore as back in those days.
[0:09:07 – 0:09:08] Adam: Yeah, that’s for sure.
[0:09:08 – 0:09:09] Adam: I’ve becalmed.
[0:09:10 – 0:09:10] Erik: You do, yes.
[0:09:11 – 0:09:15] Erik: And you don’t writhe nearly as much as you did those first few times in the hammock?
[0:09:16 – 0:09:19] Adam: No, I just lay there thinking about the comet.
[0:09:20 – 0:09:21] Adam: What’s it doing out there?
[0:09:21 – 0:09:23] Erik: Try not to think about the comet too much.
[0:09:24 – 0:09:25] Erik: So let’s see.
[0:09:25 – 0:09:27] Erik: What do we got here from Graham?
[0:09:27 – 0:09:31] Erik: He says, I’m a recovering social media user, so email it is.
[0:09:32 – 0:09:33] Erik: I sleep in the sky.
[0:09:33 – 0:09:34] Erik: We should get a tally going here.
[0:09:34 – 0:09:36] Adam: Who’s sky and who’s ground?
[0:09:36 – 0:09:37] Adam: I got it going.
[0:09:38 – 0:09:42] Erik: I sleep in the sky with the rest of the Acer.
[0:09:43 – 0:09:53] Erik: I have an old double-sized Eno-style hammock from Eco Trekker that I’ve modified a bit primarily, upgrading the ends to Amsteel continuous loops.
[0:09:54 – 0:10:02] Erik: I still use daisy chain straps, but hope to upgrade to a whoopee sling slash Marlin spike system one of these days.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:03] Erik: I think we’re over our heads here, Adam.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:05] Adam: We’re way over our heads.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:07] Erik: Internet research.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:08] Erik: All right.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:09] Erik: This is the end of the podcast.
[0:10:09 – 0:10:11] Erik: We’re officially over our heads in gear talk.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:15] Erik: I don’t know what any of those things are, but I hope… Whizzy straps?
[0:10:15 – 0:10:19] Erik: Whoopee sling and whoopee sling slash Marlin spike system.
[0:10:21 – 0:10:43] Erik: in conjunction with the double eno man oof all right moving on made my own two-layer underquilt from two of the infamous costco down throws hmm main layer is good for summer nights down here in denver both layers good for up in the mountains and bwca in the fall which is the only time i go since i don’t live there anymore
[0:10:44 – 0:10:46] Erik: I imagine both layers are good down to the mid thirties.
[0:10:47 – 0:10:49] Erik: I just use my sleeping bag unzipped on top of me.
[0:10:50 – 0:10:50] Adam: Aspen.
[0:10:51 – 0:10:51] Adam: Aspen.
[0:10:52 – 0:10:57] Erik: Wise owl hex tarp with the line on straps to be extra kind to the trees.
[0:10:58 – 0:10:58] Erik: Bug net.
[0:10:59 – 0:11:00] Erik: Always in Minnesota.
[0:11:00 – 0:11:00] Erik: Sometimes here.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:01] Erik: Always.
[0:11:02 – 0:11:03] Erik: Also wise owl.
[0:11:05 – 0:11:06] Erik: Looking forward to getting up there in September.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:08] Erik: Yeah, all right, Graham.
[0:11:08 – 0:11:10] Erik: I have maybe kind of an idea on what you’re working with there.
[0:11:11 – 0:11:16] Erik: The strap systems, though, really, really boggling the mind on what some of those terms are.
[0:11:17 – 0:11:18] Adam: The modified loops?
[0:11:19 – 0:11:23] Adam: Modified loops, daisy chains, whoopee slings, and marlin spikes.
[0:11:23 – 0:11:26] Adam: So maybe I need to upgrade my slap straps?
[0:11:26 – 0:11:27] Adam: Is that what you’re saying?
[0:11:28 – 0:11:28] Erik: Yeah, maybe.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:31] Adam: I’ve just got my slap straps, how I like them.
[0:11:31 – 0:11:34] Erik: Yeah, those are kind of the old system that Eno uses.
[0:11:34 – 0:11:39] Erik: They’ve got some a little bit better ones these days that there’s straps more frequently.
[0:11:39 – 0:11:43] Adam: Well, that’s part of the fun for me, though, is you’ve got to play the game.
[0:11:44 – 0:11:45] Adam: I might have to go reverse on this one.
[0:11:46 – 0:11:48] Erik: Yeah, that is always the option.
[0:11:48 – 0:11:49] Erik: Those are the two options.
[0:11:49 – 0:11:51] Adam: The loop is just a little off for the desired tension.
[0:11:52 – 0:11:52] Adam: Yep.
[0:11:52 – 0:11:54] Adam: Got to get some daisy chains.
[0:11:55 – 0:12:20] Erik: yes i’m not making fun no honestly i’m intrigued i’m definitely going to look this up later yeah so that’s one for sky yes one for sky so moving on we’re going to start at tumble home cast it is our uh is our little mini uh community and home so we’re going to start there um and the question you getting mod mail i do oh i get all kinds of mod mail
[0:12:20 – 0:12:23] Adam: I don’t even know all the things that mods get to do.
[0:12:23 – 0:12:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:12:24 – 0:12:26] Erik: So, yeah, we’ve kind of set the table.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:31] Erik: The actual question was, how do you sleep in the B-Dub, ground or sky?
[0:12:31 – 0:12:34] Erik: What kind of gear are you using to get a solid night’s rest?
[0:12:34 – 0:12:37] Erik: And how have you evolved in the realm of Wilderness Zs?
[0:12:38 – 0:12:46] Erik: And we will hopefully crown a champion, or perhaps a new challenger will make itself known.
[0:12:48 – 0:12:52] Erik: I’m going to go ahead and read this first comment here just because it’s one sentence and then I’ll turn it over to you.
[0:12:52 – 0:12:53] Erik: All right.
[0:12:53 – 0:12:55] Erik: This is going to get upvoted by me as well.
[0:12:56 – 0:12:58] Erik: This is from cheap underscore dancer.
[0:13:00 – 0:13:01] Erik: I’m a wet foot sleeper.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:02] Erik: Oh, dear.
[0:13:03 – 0:13:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:03 – 0:13:04] Adam: I don’t have a column for that.
[0:13:05 – 0:13:07] Erik: Starting out with the real joke.
[0:13:07 – 0:13:07] Erik: I see.
[0:13:07 – 0:13:08] Adam: All right.
[0:13:08 – 0:13:10] Adam: I have to make a column for wet footers.
[0:13:11 – 0:13:12] Adam: Wet foot nation.
[0:13:12 – 0:13:13] Adam: Wet foot nation.
[0:13:14 – 0:13:15] Adam: All right.
[0:13:16 – 0:13:20] Adam: And I know you’ve already scrolled to my proper spot.
[0:13:20 – 0:13:21] Erik: We’ve been practicing off mic.
[0:13:21 – 0:13:22] Adam: I have been.
[0:13:22 – 0:13:25] Adam: CoffeeMonkey52, six points.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:29] Adam: I’m a tent sleeper and have no reason to switch.
[0:13:29 – 0:13:30] Adam: I sleep great and I feel good in the morning.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:33] Adam: Honestly, I sleep better than I do at home.
[0:13:34 – 0:13:37] Adam: Switching to a hammock hasn’t been an option for now for coffee.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:44] Adam: Now, for quite a few years anyways, because I do almost all my camping with my son, who is now age 9.
[0:13:45 – 0:13:50] Adam: I always had to be with him in the tent when he was younger, and I don’t know how hammock would have worked out at the younger ages.
[0:13:51 – 0:13:58] Adam: Besides, playing in the tent or just cuddling is part of what makes the high-quality one-on-one BWCA time with my son so special.
[0:13:59 – 0:14:04] Adam: We do bring an Eno Sub 6 for lounging and relaxing around camp, but it’s not for sleeping.
[0:14:06 – 0:14:08] Adam: Alright, I can respect that answer.
[0:14:08 – 0:14:09] Erik: Yeah, no, for sure.
[0:14:09 – 0:14:12] Erik: I get there’s time and a place for both.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:18] Erik: And I know there’s some people that, yeah, the tent action is… Oh, I didn’t read the gear part, though.
[0:14:18 – 0:14:19] Adam: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[0:14:19 – 0:14:20] Adam: I thought there was a response.
[0:14:20 – 0:14:23] Erik: Yeah, there’s some real in-depth coming, actually.
[0:14:23 – 0:14:24] Erik: Yeah, alright.
[0:14:24 – 0:14:26] Adam: We’re going to get the rundown from the roster.
[0:14:26 – 0:14:28] Adam: It’s not a quiver of tents.
[0:14:29 – 0:14:33] Adam: I don’t know what the equivalent of a sleeping quiver would be.
[0:14:33 – 0:14:35] Adam: We’ll have to think of that one.
[0:14:35 – 0:14:35] Erik: It’ll come to us.
[0:14:36 – 0:14:42] Adam: We use a Big Agnes Copper Spur UL2 or UL4, and both tents are outstanding.
[0:14:43 – 0:14:48] Adam: Big Agnes Q-Core SLX pad and a Marmot Hydrogen sleeping bag.
[0:14:49 – 0:14:49] Erik: Wow.
[0:14:49 – 0:14:54] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know how much people are going to talk about the sleeping pads, but, I mean, that’s a big part of it, especially if you’re on the tent.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:56 – 0:15:00] Erik: In the tent and, you know, for myself personally, I throw a pad in the hammock as well.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:01] Adam: You do.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:01] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:02] Adam: I’ve never done that.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:08] Adam: I tried once and I ended up, I woke up and the thing was just on the ground somehow.
[0:15:08 – 0:15:08] Adam: Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
[0:15:08 – 0:15:09] Erik: Kind of just slides out.
[0:15:09 – 0:15:10] Adam: It re-rhythed.
[0:15:11 – 0:15:11] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:15:11 – 0:15:11] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:11 – 0:15:12] Adam: Counter-rhythed.
[0:15:12 – 0:15:12] Erik: Yes.
[0:15:13 – 0:15:14] Erik: Counter-rhything.
[0:15:15 – 0:15:20] Adam: Anyways, I’m not, and I like that you’ve given us the super details on what you’re actually using gear-wise.
[0:15:20 – 0:15:22] Adam: Hold on, I’ve got to mark you down for tent.
[0:15:23 – 0:15:31] Adam: But I don’t know, I worked in publishing for quite a while, and all this trademark Q-Core SNX.
[0:15:31 – 0:15:32] Erik: Yeah, I know.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:49] Adam: boy as a editor that that stuff’s just tough yeah no i mean it just sounds so made up like come on well it is made up that’s supposed to sound cool marketing q core yeah i had a big agnes i don’t know what ours was i guess it wasn’t a q core because it developed a leak almost immediately
[0:15:50 – 0:15:52] Adam: You got to get the Q-Core.
[0:15:52 – 0:15:54] Adam: Yeah, I didn’t have the Q-Core going.
[0:15:54 – 0:15:55] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:15:55 – 0:16:01] Adam: That’s part of why I’m mostly on Team Hammock without the sleeping pad because they, without fail, just develop leaks.
[0:16:01 – 0:16:02] Adam: Maybe I’m too rough on them.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:03] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:16] Erik: By the end of this, I think we will have a pretty good baseline of words that we could put together a real hardcore system with all the fun Q-Core Marlin Strike Strap System Pro.
[0:16:16 – 0:16:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:16 – 0:16:20] Adam: I worked for this magazine group as an intern in college.
[0:16:21 – 0:16:22] Adam: It was all outdoors magazine.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:23] Adam: I will say no more.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:26] Adam: You guys can probably figure this out if you really wanted to.
[0:16:26 – 0:16:31] Adam: They had a trapping magazine and then one all about bow hunting.
[0:16:31 – 0:16:34] Adam: I had to do a gear preview for the upcoming season.
[0:16:34 – 0:16:39] Adam: It’s all this PR crap that the Matthews Bow Company sent out and all these other ones.
[0:16:39 – 0:16:40] Adam: It’s all that stuff.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:44] Adam: Anti-thump quiver meters.
[0:16:45 – 0:16:45] Erik: Anti-thump.
[0:16:46 – 0:16:49] Adam: And it’s all spelled goofy with a little trademark.
[0:16:49 – 0:16:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:49 – 0:16:51] Erik: Why is that one letter capitalized?
[0:16:51 – 0:16:52] Adam: Why did you spell thump differently?
[0:16:52 – 0:16:53] Adam: It doesn’t make any sense.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:54] Erik: Two P’s?
[0:16:54 – 0:16:56] Erik: Well, you got to get it trademarked.
[0:16:56 – 0:16:57] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:16:57 – 0:17:02] Adam: I just got that internship really ruined me on like goofy spellings and trademarks.
[0:17:02 – 0:17:08] Erik: Well, it’s sort of for me a little bit the same thing, too, with just in the spring going through and like shopping for the gear that we get.
[0:17:09 – 0:17:14] Erik: So like I’m just paging through like all the catalogs of all of the brands that.
[0:17:14 – 0:17:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:16] Erik: And maybe I’m coming back around.
[0:17:16 – 0:17:18] Erik: With TrueSleep technology.
[0:17:19 – 0:17:19] Erik: T-R-U.
[0:17:20 – 0:17:21] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:22] Erik: TrueSleep technology.
[0:17:22 – 0:17:22] Erik: You got to get that TrueSleep.
[0:17:22 – 0:17:25] Adam: If somebody out there doesn’t have TrueSleep, you got to get it.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:27] Erik: You lied to me.
[0:17:28 – 0:17:30] Erik: Maybe we’re all wrong about Coglins.
[0:17:30 – 0:17:33] Erik: They’re just bread and butter, black and white, cut and dry.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:35] Adam: I saw a county commissioner sign.
[0:17:35 – 0:17:36] Adam: Tent stakes.
[0:17:37 – 0:17:41] Adam: It was just literally a white sign with black letters that said, vote Christensen.
[0:17:43 – 0:17:46] Adam: It’s just like the Dharma initiative of campaign signs.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:46] Adam: I love it.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:47] Adam: I’m definitely voting for him.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:48] Erik: You’re voting Christensen?
[0:17:49 – 0:17:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:49] Erik: All right.
[0:17:50 – 0:17:52] Erik: This one’s from Nash Kato.
[0:17:53 – 0:17:53] Erik: Tent!
[0:17:54 – 0:17:55] Erik: Exclamation point.
[0:17:55 – 0:17:56] Erik: Mark it down.
[0:17:57 – 0:18:03] Erik: We have a few, but my favorite is a Big Agnes frying pan SL3 used for two.
[0:18:04 – 0:18:10] Erik: Combined with Therm-a-Rest ultralight pads and a good synthetic sleeping bag.
[0:18:10 – 0:18:11] Erik: North Face Cat’s Meow.
[0:18:12 – 0:18:13] Adam: I like that.
[0:18:14 – 0:18:16] Erik: Hammocks are great in the daytime.
[0:18:16 – 0:18:17] Erik: We bring in double nests.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:20] Erik: But with weather and or bugs, I still prefer an enclosed shelter.
[0:18:21 – 0:18:27] Erik: I sleep just fine and the added weight isn’t too bad if you have an appropriately sized backpacking tent.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:32] Erik: In cold weather, it seems like the hammock advantage is minimal since you need a warmer pad, bag, etc.
[0:18:33 – 0:18:35] Adam: Yeah, I would agree with that, Nash Cato.
[0:18:35 – 0:18:44] Erik: At the end of the day, in the fall, by the time you get all your hammock and pad and sleeping bags set up, it’s about the same size as a whole tent.
[0:18:44 – 0:18:47] Adam: I mean, you’re going to bring that heavier bag and pad either way.
[0:18:47 – 0:18:47] Adam: That’s also true.
[0:18:47 – 0:18:49] Adam: So then you’re really never comparing those two.
[0:18:49 – 0:18:57] Adam: You’re always comparing the size of your tent versus the size of your hammock and your slaps, straps, or whatever you’re going to roll with.
[0:18:57 – 0:18:58] Adam: Yeah.
[0:18:58 – 0:18:59] Adam: And I don’t know.
[0:18:59 – 0:19:02] Adam: I’ve never seen a tent that can fold down to the size of a hammock, but…
[0:19:02 – 0:19:05] Adam: It’s really, you know, it isn’t really that big of a deal.
[0:19:06 – 0:19:07] Erik: All right, you heard it here first.
[0:19:07 – 0:19:09] Erik: Not that big of a deal.
[0:19:09 – 0:19:10] Adam: Total bogey.
[0:19:10 – 0:19:10] Adam: Four points.
[0:19:12 – 0:19:15] Adam: After years of tenting, I finally tried a hammock on my spring trip this year.
[0:19:16 – 0:19:21] Adam: I recall telling my campmates that my first night in a hammock beat my average night in a tent by a country mile.
[0:19:22 – 0:19:23] Adam: They agreed.
[0:19:23 – 0:19:30] Adam: That said, the amount of research into how to properly sleep in a hammock completely dwarfed the tent assembly instructions.
[0:19:30 – 0:19:36] Adam: I have to thank Adam for his advice on that earlier episode that it’s all about writhing into that sweet spot.
[0:19:37 – 0:19:38] Adam: Yes, it is.
[0:19:38 – 0:19:41] Adam: After experiencing it for myself, I very much agree.
[0:19:42 – 0:19:44] Adam: Welcome to the writhing club, Total Bogey.
[0:19:44 – 0:19:45] Adam: Writhe, my friend.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:46] Adam: Writhe.
[0:19:46 – 0:19:57] Erik: Well, maybe next week when we get some daylight, it is almost dark here, maybe we’ll just do a little quick video of you setting up your writhing nest.
[0:19:57 – 0:20:02] Adam: Yeah, I think we talked about it, and it just didn’t come together on the Nina Moose trip.
[0:20:03 – 0:20:03] Erik: No.
[0:20:04 – 0:20:07] Adam: But yeah, I’d be happy to do a video of that.
[0:20:08 – 0:20:12] Adam: Some people just can’t wrap their minds around it, though, and it is weird the first night.
[0:20:12 – 0:20:13] Erik: Well, right.
[0:20:13 – 0:20:17] Erik: I mean, you, I remember, took a lot of convincing the first time to get you in a hammock, for sure.
[0:20:17 – 0:20:26] Adam: My co-worker today, he was like, where I was talking to him about this whole topic, and he was just like, I just can’t, like, I can’t even, like, wrap my head around it.
[0:20:26 – 0:20:28] Adam: He’s like, I just, you can actually get comfortable?
[0:20:28 – 0:20:32] Adam: You’re like, your shoulders aren’t, he does this, the shoulders pinch motion.
[0:20:32 – 0:20:34] Adam: I said, no, you gotta writhe.
[0:20:34 – 0:20:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:38] Erik: Well, I was out, and this is probably a topic that we’ll re-
[0:20:41 – 0:20:42] Erik: Talk about.
[0:20:42 – 0:20:43] Erik: That’s the word.
[0:20:44 – 0:20:44] Erik: Retalk about.
[0:20:45 – 0:20:50] Erik: We’ll bring back up when we review this lake, which is in the short list coming up.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:56] Erik: But the guided trip that I was on, we got there and this was a family that had never been into the Bajoras before.
[0:20:57 – 0:20:59] Erik: Really hadn’t done any camping.
[0:21:00 – 0:21:04] Erik: And when I said, I’m just going to sleep in a hammock tonight, the guy was just like, what?
[0:21:04 – 0:21:04] Erik: What?
[0:21:05 – 0:21:29] Erik: i don’t understand how what and he like then later we were talking and he was picturing one of those like backyard ones with like the wood and all the knots and stuff he thought it was just going to be like you know sombrero over the head and just kind of like relaxing between two trees like a cartoon and like that’s probably what most people think of when you say yeah i’m just going to sleep in a hammock when i’m out there it probably sounds ridiculous yeah if you get it set up right
[0:21:30 – 0:21:31] Erik: Tres Tastiamo.
[0:21:32 – 0:21:34] Erik: Merry Wanderer 95.
[0:21:34 – 0:21:36] Erik: I sleep in the sky.
[0:21:37 – 0:21:41] Erik: Mostly for the comfort, but it doesn’t hurt that hammocks are easier to pack than tents.
[0:21:42 – 0:21:48] Erik: And one has the ability to set up the rain fly first in inclement weather to avoid getting anything wet.
[0:21:49 – 0:21:52] Adam: That’s how I usually do it if it is looking like rain’s coming in.
[0:21:52 – 0:21:53] Adam: You just set the fly up right away.
[0:21:54 – 0:21:57] Adam: And then you just throw all your crap under there and then you get to it when you get to it.
[0:21:58 – 0:21:59] Erik: Your crap.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:03] Adam: I’m the opposite of a marketing genius.
[0:22:04 – 0:22:07] Erik: Also, Mary Wanderer seems like he’s probably along the same lines, or she.
[0:22:07 – 0:22:13] Erik: I don’t remember the brand of my hammock, but it is one where the bug net automatically pops up so you don’t have to tie it in place.
[0:22:14 – 0:22:17] Erik: Which doesn’t sound like an eagle’s nest, because that one is a separate deal.
[0:22:18 – 0:22:25] Erik: It can also be flipped upside down and used as a regular hammock, and the bug net is strong enough to hold your sleeping bag underneath.
[0:22:25 – 0:22:26] Erik: Ah, so you can kind of use the…
[0:22:27 – 0:22:29] Adam: It’s like a mesh shed.
[0:22:30 – 0:22:31] Erik: A mesh undershed.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:35] Adam: Undershed technology built in.
[0:22:36 – 0:22:39] Adam: I don’t know which one that is either, but it sounds nice.
[0:22:39 – 0:22:39] Erik: Yep.
[0:22:40 – 0:22:41] Erik: Ooh, wow.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:53] Erik: Another added bonus of using a hammock as a guy, all right, nailed it, first time we’ve known this one for sure, is the ability to take a tinkle without getting out of bed, reducing one’s reliance on their inflatable Coghlan’s bedpan.
[0:22:54 – 0:22:56] Adam: You can just go, just go, and then you can sleep wet foot.
[0:22:57 – 0:22:59] Adam: Yeah, just sleep wet bottom.
[0:23:00 – 0:23:00] Adam: Just go, man.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:02] Adam: Just go.
[0:23:03 – 0:23:08] Erik: Yeah, I do remember seeing a Coghlan’s Inflatable Bedpan posted on the subreddit a while back.
[0:23:08 – 0:23:11] Adam: Yeah, that was another classic off of our Tumble Home cast.
[0:23:12 – 0:23:15] Adam: Got some creative and fun friends on the internet.
[0:23:15 – 0:23:15] Erik: Yep.
[0:23:17 – 0:23:19] Adam: Better get a sip on this one, Jacob.
[0:23:20 – 0:23:24] Erik: I think he does instruct us as it is long to take a drink.
[0:23:25 – 0:23:26] Adam: No doubt.
[0:23:26 – 0:23:28] Adam: Friend of the show, Jacob Backer, three points.
[0:23:29 – 0:23:30] Adam: I’m glad this came back up.
[0:23:30 – 0:23:32] Adam: I’ve wanted to share this with you guys for a while.
[0:23:33 – 0:23:35] Adam: This is a long story, so take a drink now.
[0:23:35 – 0:23:36] Adam: All right.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:37] Adam: Well, I got to have one more.
[0:23:37 – 0:23:38] Erik: Take another one.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:43] Adam: Man, that fresh coast.
[0:23:44 – 0:23:45] Erik: It’s fresh.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:47] Adam: It’s a butte.
[0:23:47 – 0:23:50] Adam: Takes me all the way back to the eastern Wisconsin shores.
[0:23:51 – 0:23:52] Adam: Not going to lie, I drank the other two.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:54] Adam: I’m going to go out smelting after this.
[0:23:54 – 0:23:55] Erik: Yeah, no smelting.
[0:23:56 – 0:23:57] Adam: My dad straight up texted me.
[0:23:57 – 0:24:03] Adam: He’s like, back when I was young, we could go out on the pier and catch as many perch as you wanted.
[0:24:04 – 0:24:05] Adam: I wonder why there’s no perch left, Dad.
[0:24:06 – 0:24:07] Erik: Was this in Sheboygan?
[0:24:07 – 0:24:09] Adam: No, this was in Manitowoc.
[0:24:09 – 0:24:10] Adam: Close enough.
[0:24:11 – 0:24:12] Adam: A dead end.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:42] Adam: Until Hark!
[0:24:42 – 0:24:43] Adam: Clark!
[0:24:43 – 0:24:44] Adam: Could it be?
[0:24:44 – 0:24:47] Adam: A hammock designed for two independent sleepers?
[0:24:48 – 0:24:48] Adam: I’m intrigued.
[0:24:49 – 0:24:51] Adam: I had found the Clark VX Ultra.
[0:24:52 – 0:24:54] Adam: The Vertex is another two-person they make.
[0:24:55 – 0:24:58] Adam: The cost was hefty, but I’d do anything to get off the ground.
[0:24:58 – 0:25:00] Adam: It was love at first hang.
[0:25:00 – 0:25:06] Adam: We learned a whole new level of comfort, far surpassing any tent and even our less expensive Eno.
[0:25:07 – 0:25:12] Adam: Clark, a long-lived American company, went out of business, which is why I haven’t brought this up before.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:18] Adam: However, months later, the name was purchased by Dutchware Hammocks and will live on in perpetuity.
[0:25:19 – 0:25:23] Adam: In true Reddit fashion, TLDR, check out the Clark Vertex.
[0:25:23 – 0:25:28] Adam: Or VXUltra for a true two-person hammock game changer.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:31] Adam: Hashtag sweet dreams, Jacob.
[0:25:31 – 0:25:32] Erik: Hashtag sweet dreams.
[0:25:32 – 0:25:33] Adam: Give him an extra upvote.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:34] Adam: Got it.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:36] Adam: I’ve never heard of either of these.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:36] Adam: No?
[0:25:37 – 0:25:39] Adam: Double hammocks?
[0:25:39 – 0:25:39] Erik: Mm-mm.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:40] Erik: You didn’t look at the…
[0:25:41 – 0:25:43] Erik: I sent you, so somebody sent me…
[0:25:44 – 0:25:46] Erik: Well, us, tumblehomecast at gmail.com.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:47] Adam: You got the email.
[0:25:47 – 0:25:48] Erik: They sent it to you.
[0:25:48 – 0:25:50] Erik: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[0:25:50 – 0:25:56] Erik: And it was a video that Jacob and his wife had put together.
[0:25:56 – 0:25:56] Erik: What?
[0:25:57 – 0:26:00] Erik: And then they were saying to check out their double hammock.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:04] Erik: And I checked it out, and it is pretty impressive.
[0:26:05 – 0:26:11] Erik: It looks like it probably takes a lot to get set up, but it does look very, very comfortable and impressive.
[0:26:12 – 0:26:18] Erik: And then there’s actually, at one point, he shouts us out towards the end.
[0:26:19 – 0:26:21] Erik: They’re in their hammocks, and they’re listening to Tumble Home.
[0:26:21 – 0:26:23] Adam: Oh, is this the email you just sent?
[0:26:24 – 0:26:50] Adam: uh no i just sent the link to youtube right right to you on facebook yeah that’s you just sent it yeah yeah no i like started it i was at work though no like oh this looks like i need to like actually sit down and watch this so yeah well anyway okay yeah it cleared that up wow a double hammock huh i gotta say i’m a hammocker when i’m camping with eric but if i’m camping with natalie then it’s tent time yeah and i’m still variable in that way right
[0:26:51 – 0:26:54] Adam: But we also have just done the hammocks, too.
[0:26:54 – 0:27:00] Adam: Like, when we did the Grand Portage, we were in hammocks when it was prudent to be light.
[0:27:00 – 0:27:01] Erik: Yeah, for sure.
[0:27:01 – 0:27:07] Adam: But, like, yeah, if we can bring the big tent and the double sleeping bag, yeah, it’s time to get cozy.
[0:27:08 – 0:27:09] Erik: Time to get cozy.
[0:27:09 – 0:27:10] Erik: No, I get it.
[0:27:10 – 0:27:11] Erik: I mean, I don’t know.
[0:27:11 – 0:27:12] Erik: Me and Tori are different.
[0:27:12 – 0:27:15] Erik: We don’t really mind being not in the same.
[0:27:16 – 0:27:18] Adam: Oh, you guys are comfortable with that?
[0:27:18 – 0:27:19] Erik: Well, I don’t know.
[0:27:19 – 0:27:22] Erik: It’s just we smell typically and we’re like camping.
[0:27:22 – 0:27:23] Erik: See, I don’t.
[0:27:23 – 0:27:28] Adam: There’s not really any like… As I said, I don’t scream anymore in my sleep.
[0:27:29 – 0:27:29] Adam: So it’s fine.
[0:27:30 – 0:27:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:27:30 – 0:27:31] Erik: All right.
[0:27:31 – 0:27:31] Erik: Fine.
[0:27:31 – 0:27:34] Erik: I’m just more comfortable in the relationship with my wife than you are with yours.
[0:27:35 – 0:27:35] Erik: So whatever.
[0:27:35 – 0:27:36] Erik: We got that out in the air.
[0:27:36 – 0:27:38] Erik: All right.
[0:27:38 – 0:27:39] Erik: Blow underscore Zephyr.
[0:27:39 – 0:27:41] Adam: Hold on, so that was a sky.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:44] Adam: Do you count it as two, though, if it’s a double hammock?
[0:27:44 – 0:27:45] Erik: If there’s two people sleeping in it?
[0:27:46 – 0:27:47] Erik: I think it’s one response.
[0:27:47 – 0:27:48] Adam: It’s just one.
[0:27:50 – 0:27:51] Erik: Tent sleeper here.
[0:27:52 – 0:27:53] Erik: This is from Blow underscore Zephyr.
[0:27:53 – 0:27:55] Erik: Oh, it’s going back and forth.
[0:27:56 – 0:27:56] Adam: It’s close.
[0:27:56 – 0:27:57] Erik: Tent sleeper here.
[0:27:57 – 0:28:07] Erik: I admit I am a bit envious of the hangers, but my trip mates, wife and dog, would surely outvote me if I suggested sleeping apart.
[0:28:08 – 0:28:09] Erik: We use inflatable mattresses.
[0:28:10 – 0:28:11] Erik: Dog gets one too.
[0:28:11 – 0:28:14] Erik: And I always bring a real pillow.
[0:28:14 – 0:28:14] Erik: Wow.
[0:28:14 – 0:28:14] Erik: Wow.
[0:28:15 – 0:28:16] Erik: It’s a real thick maneuver there.
[0:28:16 – 0:28:19] Adam: That’s what the ratty old hoodie is for.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:20] Adam: Raggedy old hoodie.
[0:28:20 – 0:28:22] Adam: Raggedy hoodie doubles as a pillow.
[0:28:22 – 0:28:22] Erik: Yep.
[0:28:23 – 0:28:26] Erik: This allows me to sleep pretty good most of the time.
[0:28:26 – 0:28:26] Erik: All right.
[0:28:27 – 0:28:27] Erik: Fair enough.
[0:28:28 – 0:28:28] Adam: Wow.
[0:28:28 – 0:28:31] Adam: A dog even gets an air mattress?
[0:28:31 – 0:28:33] Erik: Yeah, apparently blowing up a dog air mattress out there.
[0:28:33 – 0:28:34] Erik: That’s luxury.
[0:28:34 – 0:28:37] Adam: I thought Arrow had it good with the old blanket.
[0:28:37 – 0:28:40] Erik: Old blanket and the mulch that she makes for herself.
[0:28:41 – 0:28:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:28:42 – 0:28:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:28:43 – 0:28:43] Erik: All right.
[0:28:43 – 0:28:44] Adam: Time to nest up.
[0:28:44 – 0:28:48] Adam: Current score right now is four for sky, three for tent, and one for wet footers.
[0:28:50 – 0:28:50] Adam: Bird dogging it.
[0:28:50 – 0:28:51] Adam: Three points.
[0:28:51 – 0:28:52] Adam: Friend of the show.
[0:28:53 – 0:28:54] Adam: Bird dogging it.
[0:28:55 – 0:29:04] Adam: All this talk about Luke Skysleeper and using the force to defeat gravity finally made me give the hammock an overnight ride on Long Island last weekend.
[0:29:05 – 0:29:05] Erik: Hmm.
[0:29:06 – 0:29:12] Adam: I thought I had everything figured out, used a pad, deployed the bug net, slept at an angle, etc.
[0:29:12 – 0:29:16] Adam: But during the night, the cinch on the end of the bug net opened mysteriously.
[0:29:17 – 0:29:17] Adam: Never.
[0:29:17 – 0:29:18] Adam: Never blame the wine.
[0:29:19 – 0:29:20] Adam: It’s not the wine’s fault.
[0:29:21 – 0:29:21] Erik: No.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:26] Adam: And I awoke to feeling like I was draped in a Coghlan’s reverse bug net.
[0:29:27 – 0:29:28] Erik: That sounds like a bad excitement.
[0:29:28 – 0:29:30] Adam: I wish we had a lightning or like a…
[0:29:30 – 0:29:32] Erik: Yeah, I’ll add that in post.
[0:29:32 – 0:29:34] Adam: Coglins reverse, Bugnet.
[0:29:35 – 0:29:42] Adam: The wife said she heard slapping multiple times through the night as she comfortably lounged in our MSR three-person mansion.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:45] Adam: Will I try to redeem myself in the future?
[0:29:45 – 0:29:46] Adam: Probably.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:49] Adam: I see the appeal, but I am just a dirt napper at heart.
[0:29:51 – 0:30:03] Adam: There’s something about the false sense of security a tent gives you and being able to stow away, yet easily access gear and not have to look like a garage sale under a limp sale is nice.
[0:30:04 – 0:30:07] Adam: Also, I was on windshield during the huge electrical windstorm on the 8th,
[0:30:08 – 0:30:16] Adam: and the thought of being strapped to two lightning rods or having to get out in a downpour to access safety under a tarp did not sit well.
[0:30:17 – 0:30:20] Adam: What do you sky sleepers do in that situation?
[0:30:21 – 0:30:22] Erik: And we had the conversation.
[0:30:22 – 0:30:24] Adam: I was going to say, I don’t think we’ve… You’re not grounded.
[0:30:24 – 0:30:28] Erik: Yeah, hanging between two trees is about as safe of a spot as you can be.
[0:30:29 – 0:30:30] Erik: And if you’ve got a rain fly over you…
[0:30:30 – 0:30:32] Adam: It feels so wrong, but…
[0:30:32 – 0:30:35] Erik: It feels so wrong, but it’s so, so, like, scientifically right.
[0:30:35 – 0:30:36] Adam: All right, I’ll give you an example.
[0:30:36 – 0:30:41] Adam: Like, the last time I did the Namakagan River trip in September with the boys…
[0:30:42 – 0:30:53] Adam: We set up and I was on two, I’m hanging between two huge pine trees and we got into a, just a real bleep kicker hit the loons and it was bad.
[0:30:53 – 0:30:55] Adam: Like one of the worst storms I’ve ever camped through.
[0:30:55 – 0:30:59] Adam: And I actually did, I got out of, it was lightning everywhere and thunder, thunder.
[0:30:59 – 0:31:07] Adam: And I got out and I like just sat underneath my hammock on the ground, like just on whatever I had nearby.
[0:31:08 – 0:31:12] Adam: But, yeah, I mean, in theory, you should be able to just hang.
[0:31:12 – 0:31:13] Adam: Yeah, I would say in theory.
[0:31:13 – 0:31:14] Adam: You’re not touching the ground.
[0:31:14 – 0:31:16] Adam: Just let the current pass through you.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:17 – 0:31:17] Erik: Become one.
[0:31:17 – 0:31:22] Adam: You’ll become some kind of a… Let the hate flow through you, Luke Sleepwalker.
[0:31:22 – 0:31:23] Adam: Yes.
[0:31:24 – 0:31:24] Adam: Sky Sleeper.
[0:31:26 – 0:31:26] Adam: Well, you know.
[0:31:27 – 0:31:31] Erik: Well, also it’s an excuse to be not so much of a yard sale.
[0:31:31 – 0:31:43] Erik: I get where you’re coming from because yeah, sometimes when you’re setting up, it’s just all out in the open where it’s like, okay, man, that guy’s got a really, really put together and a nice cleaned up yard.
[0:31:43 – 0:31:48] Erik: And then you open the garage and it’s just like, oh, it’s just, you can’t even get moved through it.
[0:31:48 – 0:31:52] Erik: The tent is a crutch when it comes to a messed up campsite.
[0:31:52 – 0:32:21] Adam: on brulee we had the big tent we had the dog and so it’s like whatever and there’s a good chance of rain both nights so it’s like we’ll just bring the tent and it’s cozy you’re basically car camping there’s no portaging no but yeah like that monday i literally went in and out of the tent like 48 times before breakfast to look for something where’s that thing that’s like oh it’s in the tent and then you’re rummaging around oh yeah oh yeah where’s that other thing yeah back into the tent because yeah you can just throw it all in the tent
[0:32:22 – 0:32:37] Adam: yeah that’s a fun conversation that in and out in and out i think uh at least in the hammock you know you just go grab it out of the pocket in the hammock or you just have your bag sitting there yeah yeah to like go in something to get at your stuff
[0:32:38 – 0:32:47] Erik: Yeah, the guided trip that I was on, by the end of any trip, you know, it’s like everything kind of starts like bleeding into other areas, matriculating.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:49] Erik: Like, well, I thought it used to be in here.
[0:32:50 – 0:32:52] Erik: And like, I think it was Dan Santiago.
[0:32:52 – 0:32:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:53 – 0:33:19] Erik: was talking to us about he he’s like i’m sick and tired of like spending half the day like looking for stuff so he’s like actively bringing out things to help keep himself organized so he’s got like these basically like hanging like little organized like dresser thing that he pins up in a tree yeah and then it just like all is just like right there and not just like just thrown in the bottom of a duluth pack are you sure that was dan santiago it wasn’t spicy ricardo was it it was
[0:33:22 – 0:33:23] Adam: He wouldn’t be that organized.
[0:33:23 – 0:33:24] Erik: No, not at all.
[0:33:24 – 0:33:25] Adam: Dan would.
[0:33:25 – 0:33:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:26 – 0:33:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:26 – 0:33:27] Erik: For sure.
[0:33:27 – 0:33:27] Erik: He’s the man.
[0:33:27 – 0:33:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:31] Adam: I got to look into getting like a sky vestibule.
[0:33:31 – 0:33:32] Erik: Yeah, sky cabinet.
[0:33:33 – 0:33:34] Adam: Sky cabinets.
[0:33:34 – 0:33:35] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:35 – 0:33:39] Adam: I need a sky cabinet to go with my, you know, double nest.
[0:33:39 – 0:33:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:39 – 0:33:46] Erik: No, I mean, if the rain flies up and it’s raining like that, I don’t really think that there’s any safer place to be, really.
[0:33:47 – 0:33:51] Adam: See, I like this idea of the upside-down hammock with the mesh shed.
[0:33:52 – 0:33:53] Erik: Underneath mesh shed.
[0:33:53 – 0:33:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:53 – 0:33:53] Adam: The undershed.
[0:33:53 – 0:33:55] Adam: Keep your stuff in the undershed.
[0:33:55 – 0:33:55] Adam: Yes.
[0:33:56 – 0:33:57] Adam: I want to know more about that one.
[0:33:57 – 0:33:57] Erik: Yep.
[0:33:58 – 0:33:58] Erik: Stay organized.
[0:33:59 – 0:34:00] Erik: How many skeletons are in your closets?
[0:34:00 – 0:34:04] Erik: Let’s open up some of the drawers in this room and see how truly organized you are.
[0:34:04 – 0:34:05] Adam: Mesh shed.
[0:34:05 – 0:34:07] Erik: This guy’s mesh shed’s all out of whack.
[0:34:07 – 0:34:08] Erik: Is it me?
[0:34:08 – 0:34:10] Adam: What was the vote anyways there?
[0:34:10 – 0:34:12] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:34:12 – 0:34:13] Erik: I think that was an attempt.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:13] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:34:14 – 0:34:17] Adam: I think your vote’s been negated, bird-dogging it.
[0:34:17 – 0:34:18] Adam: We will give you an upvote.
[0:34:18 – 0:34:20] Adam: Yeah, I feel like they…
[0:34:20 – 0:34:23] Adam: I mean, he went in the net.
[0:34:23 – 0:34:26] Erik: Attempted it, but is not a current skysleeper.
[0:34:26 – 0:34:27] Adam: He made it through the night, though.
[0:34:28 – 0:34:53] Erik: once and then apparently some bugs got in yeah well i have had that happen like every single time i’ve tried to use the the bug net for the the you know well so my i have a big complaint at this point that i may need to like actually completely read either adjust how i set up or get a different bug net but like that the eagles nest bug net hangs way too close to the sides it was all up in my face all night
[0:34:54 – 0:35:02] Erik: Well, I don’t really get it in my face, but I get it along the sides of my arms where, like, if it’s hot and you’re not in your sleeping bag and your arms press up against the sides, they’ll bite right through the net.
[0:35:03 – 0:35:04] Adam: That’s what happened to Natalie on the Grand Portage.
[0:35:05 – 0:35:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:05 – 0:35:07] Adam: Her one arm was destroyed.
[0:35:07 – 0:35:09] Erik: Yeah, I think it’s kind of a…
[0:35:09 – 0:35:10] Adam: It actually flew away, the whole arm.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:17] Erik: I think it’s a terrible, terrible system that needs something to guide it out so it’s wider.
[0:35:17 – 0:35:23] Erik: There’s enough room for that to work, but there’s nothing on the sides to actually grab to tie onto.
[0:35:23 – 0:35:27] Adam: I’m totally not crazy about the bug net situation on a hammock.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:30] Adam: If I have to use the bug net, it’s definitely not as fun.
[0:35:31 – 0:35:35] Adam: If you just get that wild and free night where you can just set up the hammock and nothing else.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:37 – 0:35:38] Erik: Well, that’s the pure.
[0:35:38 – 0:35:39] Adam: Check out the comet.
[0:35:39 – 0:35:39] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:39 – 0:35:40] Adam: That’s the pure.
[0:35:40 – 0:35:43] Erik: That’s a spring and late fall.
[0:35:44 – 0:35:44] Erik: Bugs are gone.
[0:35:44 – 0:35:45] Erik: No rain.
[0:35:45 – 0:35:48] Adam: As they say in Shabandwan, pura vida.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:49] Erik: Yep.
[0:35:50 – 0:35:51] Erik: I remember that.
[0:35:53 – 0:35:53] Erik: All right.
[0:35:53 – 0:35:54] Erik: Here we go.
[0:35:54 – 0:35:55] Erik: Phasmata.
[0:35:56 – 0:35:57] Erik: Two points.
[0:36:01 – 0:36:01] Erik: Vote.
[0:36:02 – 0:36:02] Erik: Voted.
[0:36:03 – 0:36:06] Erik: It only has to be as complicated as you want it to be.
[0:36:06 – 0:36:07] Erik: There you go.
[0:36:07 – 0:36:09] Erik: Here comes some advice from Faz Mata.
[0:36:09 – 0:36:21] Erik: I’d say the bare minimum for a new hammocker to know is lay diagonally, use tree straps, have about a 30 degree angle on the suspension, and don’t neglect insulating your back.
[0:36:22 – 0:36:23] Erik: Yeah, all true words.
[0:36:24 – 0:36:26] Erik: Yeah, just were spoken.
[0:36:26 – 0:36:36] Erik: I might also add that most people would benefit from having a hammock that is 11 feet long instead of the 9 foot ones that most of the cheap mainstream brands like Eno make.
[0:36:38 – 0:36:40] Erik: How dare you.
[0:36:41 – 0:36:43] Erik: Cheap mainstream.
[0:36:44 – 0:36:46] Erik: Did a note just get shoved under the door?
[0:36:46 – 0:36:47] Adam: Yeah, it did.
[0:36:48 – 0:36:49] Adam: What does it say?
[0:36:50 – 0:36:50] Adam: Hold on.
[0:36:53 – 0:36:57] Erik: Somebody just slipped a note into the door and it looks like it’s about food.
[0:36:58 – 0:36:59] Erik: Man, I never really thought…
[0:36:59 – 0:37:06] Adam: Okay, so maybe… Oh, this is a great thing that just happened.
[0:37:07 – 0:37:07] Adam: Yeah?
[0:37:08 – 0:37:15] Adam: So a note just got slid under the door of Studio K. It says there’s a pizza and some poutine in the fridge.
[0:37:15 – 0:37:17] Erik: Wow, poutine.
[0:37:17 – 0:37:17] Erik: What?
[0:37:17 – 0:37:18] Adam: Hey-o.
[0:37:18 – 0:37:19] Adam: Geesh.
[0:37:19 – 0:37:20] Erik: All right, anyway.
[0:37:20 – 0:37:20] Erik: Thanks, sweetie.
[0:37:20 – 0:37:24] Erik: I was just offended by the mainstream brand like Eno, but I don’t know.
[0:37:24 – 0:37:28] Erik: We were just knocking on the bug net system that they have.
[0:37:29 – 0:37:33] Erik: There’s plenty to know beyond that, but those basic rules are a great place to start.
[0:37:34 – 0:37:39] Erik: There are people who don’t follow these basic rules, and they have a bad time and damaged trees.
[0:37:40 – 0:37:40] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:37:40 – 0:37:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:42] Erik: Gotta use the straps.
[0:37:42 – 0:37:49] Erik: Remember down in the bottom of the Grand Canyon when our friend Quaz was going to try to set up the hammock, and then he got yelled at by a ranger?
[0:37:49 – 0:37:51] Adam: Off of the bear rack until like…
[0:37:52 – 0:38:16] Erik: no he was turned picnic table no he was on two trees and the ranger was like you can’t hammock on any trees so then he hammocked between the bear like hoist thing and an upturned picnic table yeah it was very impressive sort of yeah for some car camping stuff and the occasional zero portage trip without rocky soil we have a canvas spring bar tent by kodiak and a big heavy double bag plus pad by big agnes that we use
[0:38:16 – 0:38:25] Erik: What follows is specific info about my hammock setup that I’m separating in case the guys are reading this on an episode and want to omit it to keep things shorter.
[0:38:25 – 0:38:26] Erik: Never.
[0:38:26 – 0:38:34] Erik: We are always looking to pad out the timing on these episodes that we record for you on a weekly basis.
[0:38:34 – 0:38:36] Adam: We often don’t have anything to say, so we need filler.
[0:38:37 – 0:38:38] Erik: Yeah, we need all the filler.
[0:38:38 – 0:38:39] Adam: No, tell us about your hammock.
[0:38:40 – 0:38:42] Erik: Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
[0:38:46 – 0:38:57] Erik: I use a war bonnet mini fly tarp over a simply light design streamliner hammock with a 360 bug net and dutch wear spider strap plus beetle buckle suspension.
[0:38:57 – 0:38:59] Adam: Beetle bucket suspension.
[0:39:01 – 0:39:05] Erik: Insulation is a Simply Light Designs trail winder underquilt.
[0:39:05 – 0:39:08] Erik: And for now, I use an open mummy bag as a top quilt.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:11] Erik: But I hope to get a down top quilt soon.
[0:39:11 – 0:39:20] Erik: Oh, my girlfriend uses an Amok Drommer hammock with Amok Borg tarp and Amok Fajal pad.
[0:39:20 – 0:39:21] Erik: Borg tarp.
[0:39:22 – 0:39:23] Erik: Wow.
[0:39:23 – 0:39:24] Erik: Wow, this sounds great.
[0:39:24 – 0:39:29] Erik: We are, again, in over our heads on all things tarp.
[0:39:30 – 0:39:38] Adam: I accidentally said scorp instead of scoop at work this week, and nobody will ever let that be lived down, but I wish I had a Borg net.
[0:39:38 – 0:39:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:39 – 0:39:40] Adam: That’d be way better than a scorp.
[0:39:40 – 0:39:45] Erik: Yeah, I might have to end up looking into some of these products and give them a different hug in a world.
[0:39:45 – 0:39:49] Adam: Yeah, I actually didn’t do any research on what’s available right now if I was going to buy one.
[0:39:49 – 0:39:50] Adam: That’s what we’re doing here.
[0:39:50 – 0:39:51] Adam: Yeah, I wanted to be kept in the dark.
[0:39:51 – 0:39:51] Adam: This is the research.
[0:39:54 – 0:39:56] Erik: what’s with everybody in cold butts and backs.
[0:39:56 – 0:39:58] Erik: Anyways, I get cold back for sure.
[0:39:58 – 0:40:01] Erik: I got cold on the trip I took last July.
[0:40:01 – 0:40:07] Erik: Cause it got to like 55 and I was like, Oh, I’m just going to bring my, I’m just going to leave behind the thermo rest.
[0:40:07 – 0:40:10] Erik: And I was like, on the first night I was cold of like a four day trip.
[0:40:10 – 0:40:11] Erik: I’m like, he gotta be kidding me.
[0:40:12 – 0:40:15] Erik: So I was like my pillow, which is a down vest ended up, I had to wear.
[0:40:15 – 0:40:17] Erik: So then I didn’t have a pillow.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:19] Erik: It was a whole thing that I got myself into.
[0:40:20 – 0:40:22] Erik: And I call myself some kind of an expert.
[0:40:22 – 0:40:24] Adam: I don’t want to be caught up in some kind of jackpot here.
[0:40:26 – 0:40:27] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:40:27 – 0:40:28] Adam: The only thing I ever get cold is feet.
[0:40:29 – 0:40:31] Erik: Well, yeah, I was going to say, your feet get cold all the time.
[0:40:31 – 0:40:36] Adam: Well, I think it has something to do with the dead toe.
[0:40:37 – 0:40:37] Erik: Maybe.
[0:40:38 – 0:40:40] Erik: It’s just the dead toe that gets cold.
[0:40:40 – 0:40:42] Adam: DJ Wilco, what up?
[0:40:43 – 0:40:43] Adam: Two points.
[0:40:44 – 0:40:52] Adam: I’ve been a devotee of the Hennessy hammock for a number of years, and I don’t see myself ever returning to the loathsome ground dwelling.
[0:40:53 – 0:40:55] Adam: Additionally, on my recent trip to Little Sag,
[0:40:56 – 0:41:01] Adam: I decided to take your tumble tip and bring along a string of fairy lights to adorn my haven of rest.
[0:41:03 – 0:41:16] Adam: It would not be an overstatement to say that the tiny addition transfigured my grubby nest in the pines into a latticework of love that gently sailed my wearied soul to the shores of a carefree slumber.
[0:41:17 – 0:41:17] Erik: Wow.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:18] Erik: Very nice.
[0:41:19 – 0:41:26] Adam: Who would have imagined the dimensions of joy that could be shed apart of a weary paddler by the so small a thing.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:31] Adam: Hammock plus fairy lights equals camping euphoria.
[0:41:32 – 0:41:33] Adam: I’m a convert.
[0:41:34 – 0:41:35] Erik: I’m a convert.
[0:41:36 – 0:41:37] Adam: I’m a convert.
[0:41:39 – 0:41:42] Adam: Thanks for helping me see the light.
[0:41:42 – 0:41:44] Adam: Yeah, and check this out, DJ Wilco.
[0:41:45 – 0:41:50] Adam: The newest thing in this trend is the fairy lights or party lights or whatever.
[0:41:50 – 0:41:53] Adam: I think fairy lights are a small version of the party lights.
[0:41:54 – 0:41:56] Adam: But yeah, now the new thing is party candles.
[0:41:56 – 0:42:01] Adam: You got to get these little like they have a flicker to them like they’re a real candle, but it’s an LED little disc.
[0:42:02 – 0:42:03] Erik: The ones that you see at weddings.
[0:42:03 – 0:42:31] Adam: yeah that’s actually where they’re from they’re from our we still have a bunch of them from our wedding yeah so i’ve been just throwing a couple of them just a handful of party candles in every pack yeah it really you can just place them around camp or like right by your uh hammock it is uh what was the word used they’re almost as bad as stepping on a lego if you’re walking around barefoot though i’ll tell you that much anyways you’ve seen the light yeah
[0:42:33 – 0:42:35] Erik: So that’s another Skysleeper.
[0:42:35 – 0:42:36] Erik: Did you mark that one down?
[0:42:36 – 0:42:41] Adam: A latticework of love that gently sailed my wearied soul to the shores of a carefree slumber.
[0:42:41 – 0:42:45] Adam: I feel like Zero from… Ooh, there’s a lightning.
[0:42:45 – 0:42:47] Adam: I feel like Zero from Grand Budapest.
[0:42:48 – 0:42:48] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:42:48 – 0:42:50] Adam: And this is several stanzas of this.
[0:42:50 – 0:42:52] Adam: We’ll just go ahead and eat the stew, Eric.
[0:42:52 – 0:42:54] Adam: I’ve scored it for Skysleepers.
[0:42:55 – 0:42:56] Adam: And we have some lightning moving in.
[0:42:57 – 0:43:00] Adam: Hopefully no 70-mile-an-hour hail tonight.
[0:43:00 – 0:43:02] Erik: Nope, that was forecast for last night.
[0:43:02 – 0:43:05] Erik: I’m sure everybody that went back out is going to be fine.
[0:43:05 – 0:43:06] Adam: RV is third.
[0:43:06 – 0:43:10] Adam: We have a fourth column for RVs, and there’s zero votes for RVs so far.
[0:43:11 – 0:43:12] Adam: Those idiots.
[0:43:12 – 0:43:14] Erik: No, RVs, just a wet footer.
[0:43:15 – 0:43:17] Adam: Dump your tank in someone else’s ditch.
[0:43:18 – 0:43:18] Erik: I’m going to read…
[0:43:18 – 0:43:19] Erik: I’m not over it.
[0:43:20 – 0:43:20] Erik: No, clearly not.
[0:43:21 – 0:43:21] Erik: All right.
[0:43:22 – 0:43:23] Erik: I’m going to read two here.
[0:43:23 – 0:43:29] Erik: Seastroke, you mean, do you sleep with your feet in the air or your head on the ground?
[0:43:31 – 0:43:32] Erik: I think it might be another joke.
[0:43:33 – 0:43:34] Erik: What do you think?
[0:43:34 – 0:43:36] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:43:36 – 0:43:37] Adam: I think it’s dirty.
[0:43:37 – 0:43:38] Adam: No, it’s dirty.
[0:43:38 – 0:43:38] Adam: All right.
[0:43:38 – 0:43:39] Adam: I think it’s dirty.
[0:43:39 – 0:43:40] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:43:40 – 0:43:41] Adam: It sounds dirty to me.
[0:43:41 – 0:43:42] Erik: Okay.
[0:43:42 – 0:43:45] Erik: We’re going to move on to K-Fluoride.
[0:43:47 – 0:43:47] Erik: Ooh.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:48] Erik: Whoa.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:49] Erik: Here we go.
[0:43:49 – 0:43:52] Erik: This is the first of its kind, a new challenger.
[0:43:52 – 0:43:53] Erik: Ooh, okay.
[0:43:53 – 0:44:00] Erik: I sleep a couple inches above the ground on a prototype of an ultralight cot design that
[0:44:00 – 0:44:01] Adam: Oh, Kotz.
[0:44:01 – 0:44:02] Adam: Kotz.
[0:44:02 – 0:44:02] Adam: Jeez.
[0:44:02 – 0:44:03] Adam: Team Kotz.
[0:44:03 – 0:44:07] Adam: That’s sort of a hybrid of the Team Ground versus Team Sky.
[0:44:07 – 0:44:07] Adam: For sure.
[0:44:07 – 0:44:09] Adam: I’m going to make another column here.
[0:44:09 – 0:44:09] Erik: Yep.
[0:44:09 – 0:44:10] Erik: Kotz.
[0:44:10 – 0:44:17] Erik: Found this dude in Texas about seven, eight years ago who came up with the design, made about a hundred of them, and then sold it to Therm-a-Rest.
[0:44:18 – 0:44:18] Erik: No kidding.
[0:44:18 – 0:44:22] Erik: Weighs about two pounds, but the size of a compact Therm-a-Rest type pad.
[0:44:23 – 0:44:28] Erik: That inside a tent is, as the French say, parfait.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:28] Erik: Ah.
[0:44:29 – 0:44:32] Erik: Cozy and keep all of my gear together.
[0:44:32 – 0:44:36] Erik: Hammocks are neat, but ironically, being in the air doesn’t help with airflow.
[0:44:37 – 0:44:40] Erik: In the heat, you will cure like a smoked ham.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:42] Erik: Yeah, they do get a little stuffy.
[0:44:42 – 0:44:43] Erik: I’ll give you that.
[0:44:43 – 0:44:50] Erik: And with your tarp and bug screen and still needing a mat, you are not saving much, if anything, from a tent on weight.
[0:44:51 – 0:44:52] Erik: But to each their own.
[0:44:52 – 0:44:55] Erik: I’ll take a good tent with a cot.
[0:44:55 – 0:44:56] Erik: Interesting.
[0:44:57 – 0:44:58] Adam: Yeah, I’m intrigued.
[0:45:00 – 0:45:00] Adam: Yeah?
[0:45:00 – 0:45:01] Adam: I’m pulling up the radar right now.
[0:45:01 – 0:45:02] Adam: Pulling up the radar.
[0:45:02 – 0:45:02] Erik: Oh, my God.
[0:45:02 – 0:45:04] Erik: We got a system moving in.
[0:45:04 – 0:45:05] Adam: It doesn’t look that bad.
[0:45:05 – 0:45:06] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:45:06 – 0:45:07] Adam: There’s just rain everywhere.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:09] Erik: I mean, there’s some red there.
[0:45:09 – 0:45:10] Adam: Was that some purple?
[0:45:10 – 0:45:11] Adam: The red’s not anywhere near us.
[0:45:11 – 0:45:13] Adam: Where’s this lightning coming from?
[0:45:13 – 0:45:17] Erik: No, that red’s moving towards Clearwater and all the people that I said it was safe to go out today.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:18] Adam: It’s fine.
[0:45:19 – 0:45:19] Adam: It’s fine.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:21] Adam: Yeah, it’s snowing over the big lake.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:25] Erik: Is that man in the jet ski still out there?
[0:45:25 – 0:45:25] Adam: Go figure.
[0:45:25 – 0:45:26] Adam: Go figure.
[0:45:26 – 0:45:47] Adam: all right cots all right so we got team cots i think that’s still a team tent vote officially though all right he’s not just sleeping on the ground with just a cot one for cots six for sky four for tent one for wet foot and uh still a zero on rvs no rvs
[0:45:49 – 0:45:50] Erik: Hopefully we don’t lose power here.
[0:45:50 – 0:45:52] Erik: I think it’s just heat lightning.
[0:45:53 – 0:45:56] Adam: Arrowhead Cooperative would never let us down.
[0:45:56 – 0:45:57] Adam: Shout out to Arrowhead Cooperative.
[0:45:58 – 0:46:00] Adam: Hashtag sweet dreams.
[0:46:00 – 0:46:01] Erik: Hashtag sweet dreams.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:05] Adam: Hashtag I love my utility provider.
[0:46:07 – 0:46:08] Adam: That’s a hot one.
[0:46:08 – 0:46:10] Adam: That’s going to definitely trend.
[0:46:10 – 0:46:11] Adam: Barb’s Bannock.
[0:46:12 – 0:46:13] Adam: Two points.
[0:46:14 – 0:46:15] Adam: I’m team 10.
[0:46:16 – 0:46:16] Adam: Marking it down.
[0:46:18 – 0:46:22] Adam: With two goal zero ceiling fans for ventilation.
[0:46:22 – 0:46:24] Adam: Oh, hold on.
[0:46:24 – 0:46:24] Erik: Ceiling fans?
[0:46:24 – 0:46:26] Adam: We got ceiling fans going on.
[0:46:26 – 0:46:29] Adam: For ventilation and a Nemo tensor sleeping pad.
[0:46:29 – 0:46:32] Adam: I sleep like a newborn baby on a fluffy bright yellow cloud.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:38] Adam: And I even stayed cool enough this past week in the BWCA with the tent fans rigged.
[0:46:39 – 0:46:41] Adam: Yeah, it was stifling out there.
[0:46:41 – 0:46:42] Adam: It’s been ridiculously hot.
[0:46:43 – 0:46:47] Adam: I’ve been running the Redneck air conditioner in the house for like three weeks straight.
[0:46:48 – 0:46:50] Erik: The fan into the styrofoam box with some ice in it?
[0:46:51 – 0:46:53] Adam: No, I got really fancy ice packs.
[0:46:54 – 0:46:55] Adam: So I got a cycle.
[0:46:55 – 0:46:59] Adam: You just keep putting in two fresh packs every couple of hours.
[0:46:59 – 0:47:01] Erik: And it’s quiet as a church mouse.
[0:47:01 – 0:47:02] Erik: Quiet as a church mouse.
[0:47:02 – 0:47:03] Erik: Turkish church mouse.
[0:47:05 – 0:47:08] Adam: I like the versatility and space to weight ratio of a tent.
[0:47:09 – 0:47:11] Adam: You can change positions so easily.
[0:47:11 – 0:47:12] Adam: Sit up, stretch out.
[0:47:13 – 0:47:21] Adam: I love having a good-sized weatherproof space adjacent to my sleeping situation to store clothing, hygiene items, water, glasses, lights, etc.
[0:47:22 – 0:47:29] Adam: I also really appreciate being able to dress in the morning at a casual pace while unencumbered in a bug-free vestibule.
[0:47:29 – 0:47:34] Adam: And I like to have the whole thing set up and torn down in five minutes without excess tinkerage.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:35] Adam: Tinkerage.
[0:47:36 – 0:47:36] Adam: Love that word.
[0:47:37 – 0:47:37] Adam: Well done.
[0:47:38 – 0:47:40] Adam: I have so many questions about skysleepers.
[0:47:41 – 0:47:42] Adam: Hold on, let me have a sip.
[0:47:42 – 0:47:43] Erik: Oh no, here come the questions?
[0:47:43 – 0:47:46] Adam: This is quite the, there’s several stanzas for me.
[0:47:46 – 0:47:53] Erik: Well, I’m going to just, before the questions come, I’m just going to say, who cares about having an unfettered, like peaceful zone to like get ready?
[0:47:53 – 0:47:55] Erik: Just jump out of the hammock and start your day.
[0:47:56 – 0:47:57] Erik: I bring literally a pair of underwear.
[0:47:58 – 0:47:59] Erik: Yeah, well, who’s changing?
[0:47:59 – 0:48:01] Adam: Yeah, what do you need to change into?
[0:48:01 – 0:48:03] Adam: Just wear the same clothes the entire trip.
[0:48:03 – 0:48:05] Adam: You don’t need a different outfit for every day.
[0:48:05 – 0:48:07] Adam: It’s fine to be nude in the woods.
[0:48:08 – 0:48:11] Adam: I have so many questions about sky sleepers.
[0:48:11 – 0:48:13] Adam: How do you put on pants while in the hammock?
[0:48:13 – 0:48:14] Erik: Don’t put them on.
[0:48:14 – 0:48:15] Erik: Take them off.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:16] Adam: Take them off before you get in the hammock.
[0:48:16 – 0:48:17] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:18 – 0:48:19] Adam: Question and answer.
[0:48:19 – 0:48:19] Erik: Easily.
[0:48:20 – 0:48:31] Adam: Do you just have to get out sans pants in the morning with all those skiers clinging to the net who are breathing in your CO2 all night and then get dressed barefoot in a mushroom cloud of bugs?
[0:48:32 – 0:48:32] Erik: Yeah, mostly.
[0:48:33 – 0:48:34] Adam: It kind of happens a little bit like that.
[0:48:37 – 0:48:44] Adam: I’d be interested in a graph of average wake-up times for sky versus ground sleepers to see if that is a workaround for bug avoidance.
[0:48:45 – 0:48:53] Adam: I do think morning light off the water likely wakes up the average hammock sleeper before the tenties, and maybe that way they’re up and dressed before the Skeeter storm hits.
[0:48:54 – 0:48:55] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:48:55 – 0:48:56] Adam: I think this is all overblown.
[0:48:56 – 0:49:01] Adam: I’ve never really been mauled by bugs while putting on pants that many times.
[0:49:01 – 0:49:03] Erik: No, I mean, it’s one thing to do.
[0:49:03 – 0:49:06] Erik: I think it’s not so much… Just pants on, and then, yeah.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:10] Adam: You’ve got to think about the light, too, when you’re setting it up at night.
[0:49:10 – 0:49:12] Adam: Where’s the sun going to be coming up from?
[0:49:12 – 0:49:13] Adam: Right.
[0:49:13 – 0:49:15] Adam: Make sure you’re not going to put yourself in that situation.
[0:49:15 – 0:49:19] Adam: Honestly, the thing that wakes me up more is the sounds of camp.
[0:49:19 – 0:49:34] Adam: yeah not so much light like if i’m not the first one up then i’ll hear somebody tinkering yeah the tinkerage with the the water boiling mechanism then that’s what gets you up yeah i don’t think there’s any real difference for me if i sleep in a tent or a hammock or like my wake-up time
[0:49:35 – 0:49:40] Erik: Yeah, the light is still like… Just because you’re in a tent, you can still tell it’s light.
[0:49:40 – 0:49:46] Erik: Unless you’re in the hammock where you get that electric beam of the cresting sun over the horizon.
[0:49:46 – 0:49:49] Adam: If you didn’t calculate correctly, you could get blasted right in the face.
[0:49:49 – 0:49:55] Erik: That can definitely wake you up at like 445 in June, but for the most part… That is Ra’s wish, then.
[0:49:55 – 0:49:56] Adam: That is what Ra will do.
[0:49:56 – 0:49:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:57 – 0:49:59] Adam: I’d be interested in a graph, yeah.
[0:49:59 – 0:50:02] Adam: I don’t know if we’re going to see it, but I don’t think there’s much of a difference, honestly.
[0:50:02 – 0:50:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:50:03 – 0:50:13] Adam: Do skysleepers represent a population more prone to tinkering for whom packing multiple extra stuff sacks sparks joy as well as tying special knots is a hobby?
[0:50:14 – 0:50:15] Adam: I’ve never tied a knot in my life.
[0:50:16 – 0:50:17] Adam: Not even for fishing.
[0:50:18 – 0:50:19] Erik: Yeah, not even for fishing.
[0:50:20 – 0:50:21] Adam: Never tied a knot.
[0:50:21 – 0:50:22] Adam: And I don’t know.
[0:50:22 – 0:50:27] Adam: I think there’s a pack for the hammock or there’s a pack for the tent.
[0:50:27 – 0:50:52] Erik: see my hammock my bug net and my sleeping pad or my sleeping bag all go into one large stuff sack about the size of a tent so it’s all there um and yeah not really any knots involved it’s all clips and pre-knotted stuff and uh what are they called yeah do you get joy out of having to frustratingly hammer in stakes that never go all the way into the ground
[0:50:53 – 0:51:00] Adam: What about zippers that are always getting hung up when you’re going into the tent for the 40th time for looking for your toothbrush?
[0:51:00 – 0:51:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:00 – 0:51:13] Adam: Do people anecdotally blame bad nights of tent sleep on the tent itself versus a poor tent pad choice or a crappy sleeping pad that sounds like a slightly damp vinyl seat in the hot sun squeaking every time you move?
[0:51:13 – 0:51:13] Erik: Hmm.
[0:51:14 – 0:51:40] Erik: i don’t know that’s a solid question that’s a solid question i’ve never blamed the tent i’ve always blamed just the fact that i’m not going to bring out a like size of a 25 gallon drum sleeping pad just to not have my hips and shoulders get pinched because i can’t i sleep on my side a lot and then like my bones just get crushed and i can’t go for more than like three days without feeling like a horrible monster
[0:51:40 – 0:51:48] Adam: Yeah, but, you know, maybe I’ve had bad sleeping pads because it seems like every single one I use is deflated by morning.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:49] Erik: Well, there’s that, yeah.
[0:51:50 – 0:51:53] Adam: And they seem to be holding air, and then you wake up on the ground.
[0:51:53 – 0:51:54] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:54 – 0:51:54] Adam: What the heck?
[0:51:54 – 0:52:03] Erik: No, I’ve had big thick boys out there and I still just, I don’t know, there’s something about the, I don’t know what it is.
[0:52:03 – 0:52:04] Erik: I was pretty disappointed.
[0:52:04 – 0:52:19] Erik: There’s just too many points that are going to like mash into that pad that are too pointy that the pad cannot like spread out that weight that my shoulders and hips are just going to blast through anything unless I’m literally on a mattress.
[0:52:21 – 0:52:33] Adam: Or is all this tent shade really being thrown at a snoring paddle partner who had too many lake water whiskeys and is always sleeping on his back without his CPAP?
[0:52:34 – 0:52:34] Adam: Hmm.
[0:52:35 – 0:52:36] Adam: Also a good question.
[0:52:36 – 0:52:39] Erik: Yeah, well, I’ve had a couple of horrible nights in tents with people that snore.
[0:52:39 – 0:52:40] Erik: That’s for sure.
[0:52:40 – 0:52:41] Erik: Or scream.
[0:52:41 – 0:52:42] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:52:42 – 0:52:43] Erik: I mean, you do get the night terrors.
[0:52:45 – 0:52:46] Erik: And you get those really creepy night giggles.
[0:52:49 – 0:52:50] Adam: And I roll like an alligator.
[0:52:50 – 0:52:52] Adam: Yes, you writhe.
[0:52:52 – 0:52:54] Adam: I almost writhe too much.
[0:52:54 – 0:52:56] Erik: Yeah, the death roll, I think they call that.
[0:52:56 – 0:53:03] Adam: Here’s the last… Yeah, maybe I did buy the wrong tent sleeping pad.
[0:53:04 – 0:53:07] Adam: We have the two-person Big Agnes.
[0:53:08 – 0:53:09] Adam: It’s wonderful.
[0:53:09 – 0:53:11] Adam: It’s a wonderful sleeping bag.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:15] Adam: And so we bought the two-person Big Agnes sleeping pad.
[0:53:16 – 0:53:17] Adam: It’s two inches thick.
[0:53:17 – 0:53:17] Erik: Yeah.
[0:53:17 – 0:53:18] Adam: It’s pretty expensive.
[0:53:19 – 0:53:26] Adam: We get it, and there’s a sleeve on the back of the two-person Big Agnes sleeping bag.
[0:53:26 – 0:53:27] Erik: For that to go into?
[0:53:27 – 0:53:28] Adam: We blow the thing up.
[0:53:29 – 0:53:30] Adam: It doesn’t fit in the sleeve.
[0:53:30 – 0:53:32] Adam: It’s the same company.
[0:53:32 – 0:53:32] Erik: Same brand?
[0:53:32 – 0:53:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:53:33 – 0:53:33] Erik: Come on.
[0:53:34 – 0:53:35] Erik: Big Agnes.
[0:53:36 – 0:53:39] Adam: Then we take it out, and literally it pops on the first night we used it.
[0:53:40 – 0:53:42] Erik: Yeah, Big Agnes makes good stuff.
[0:53:42 – 0:53:44] Adam: And there’s no discernible hole or spot.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:46] Adam: It just is leaking air.
[0:53:46 – 0:53:49] Erik: No, I’ve had horrible luck with Big Agnes sleeping pads in the past.
[0:53:49 – 0:53:53] Erik: And like you were saying, you do the soap test to see where it’s leaking from.
[0:53:53 – 0:53:54] Erik: And it’s just like…
[0:53:54 – 0:53:55] Erik: It’s everywhere.
[0:53:55 – 0:53:56] Erik: It’s like fizz in a soda bottle.
[0:53:56 – 0:53:57] Adam: What is this thing made out of?
[0:53:57 – 0:53:58] Adam: A sponge?
[0:53:58 – 0:53:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:00 – 0:54:01] Adam: Honestly, yeah.
[0:54:01 – 0:54:05] Adam: So it was a really bad experience with a tent pad.
[0:54:05 – 0:54:06] Adam: I’m sorry, a sleeping pad.
[0:54:07 – 0:54:09] Adam: I mean, I still love that sleeping bag.
[0:54:09 – 0:54:15] Adam: And now we just use it with, I literally have two like old three quarter length Therm-a-Rest.
[0:54:15 – 0:54:15] Adam: Therm-a-Rest foam ones.
[0:54:15 – 0:54:18] Adam: The regular like, you know, half inch thick ones.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:18] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:19 – 0:54:20] Adam: Those things still hold air.
[0:54:21 – 0:54:21] Adam: I hope they do.
[0:54:22 – 0:54:23] Adam: They know how to make them.
[0:54:23 – 0:54:23] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:23 – 0:54:25] Adam: The old like 1980s Therm-a-Rest.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:30] Adam: And yeah, your feet, I’m like, oh, well, oh, well, the feet won’t be on them.
[0:54:30 – 0:54:35] Adam: But then without fail, you wake up and like your feet and hips are on them, but your like neck and shoulders are off them.
[0:54:35 – 0:54:36] Erik: Somehow you’ve twisted them.
[0:54:37 – 0:54:38] Adam: Oh, sleeping pads.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:39 – 0:54:39] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:40 – 0:54:42] Adam: I think my real problem with the tents is the sleeping pads.
[0:54:42 – 0:54:46] Adam: If somebody can make one that’s going to last, then we’ll talk.
[0:54:47 – 0:54:50] Adam: I’ve literally never had a sleeping pad last more than a year.
[0:54:51 – 0:54:57] Erik: My Sea to Summit self-inflatable green one that I have, I’ve had for like three years now.
[0:54:57 – 0:55:02] Adam: Yeah, no, I guess the three-quarter ones still do hold air, but they never stay in the right spot.
[0:55:02 – 0:55:04] Adam: They do fold down to like nothing though, which is nice.
[0:55:04 – 0:55:05] Erik: Sure, yeah.
[0:55:05 – 0:55:08] Erik: But I can’t remember the last time I’ve used it on the ground.
[0:55:09 – 0:55:14] Erik: So that might be, you know, it’s hard to judge a product if it’s just being like lightly used in the air.
[0:55:15 – 0:55:16] Adam: Yeah, well, that’s true.
[0:55:17 – 0:55:18] Adam: I’m just too rough on them.
[0:55:18 – 0:55:19] Erik: Well, I love all the questions.
[0:55:20 – 0:55:24] Erik: I don’t know if there’s necessarily all that much shade being thrown tense way, really.
[0:55:25 – 0:55:26] Erik: It seems like it’s almost 50-50.
[0:55:26 – 0:55:29] Erik: Yeah, and you’re still almost 50-50 on the tent.
[0:55:29 – 0:55:30] Erik: It’s just a discussion.
[0:55:30 – 0:55:33] Adam: Each situation, each night is different.
[0:55:36 – 0:55:36] Erik: Not for me.
[0:55:39 – 0:55:39] Erik: All right.
[0:55:39 – 0:55:40] Erik: Moving on.
[0:55:41 – 0:55:47] Erik: There was a response to that by Mary Wanderer, and you guys can go on and read that if you want to hear the back and forth.
[0:55:48 – 0:55:49] Erik: Internet.
[0:55:50 – 0:55:50] Erik: You, you.
[0:55:52 – 0:55:55] Erik: Primarily a tent guy, but try and hammock this season.
[0:55:56 – 0:55:56] Erik: Tent system.
[0:55:56 – 0:55:57] Erik: Marmot.
[0:55:57 – 0:55:58] Erik: Ajax.
[0:55:59 – 0:55:59] Erik: Ajax?
[0:56:00 – 0:56:03] Erik: Two-person climate insulated pad.
[0:56:03 – 0:56:04] Erik: EE Revelation 20 quilt.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:35] Erik: surreal snapper out there i saw the bolt like yeah i should go outside and watch the lightning hammock system dutchware chameleon hennessy tarp ee revelation 20 quilt ee revolt 20 under quilt wilderness triple z evolution i stopped messing around with inflatable pillows and use a mini my pillow which is great for the space sacrifice also taking like from the mall store yeah i think it’s the little just use a can of goya beans for a pillow
[0:56:35 – 0:56:52] Erik: yeah um goya beans wow that’s nice uh and then he also finishes up also taking a benadryl and several slaps before bed doesn’t hurt for a good sleep either you pick up the snap yeah yes yeah all right i retract my bean statement my apologies
[0:56:52 – 0:57:14] Erik: yeah so basically you just have to drink yourself to sleep to make the hammock worth and that uh doesn’t help if you throw a little benadryl on top of it that’s my that’s typically my going on an airplane that’s my flying over the ocean trick but that usually makes you wake up feeling like a real i like that we got two new ones out of this tinkeridge and self-tranking
[0:57:14 – 0:57:16] Erik: Well, and Undershed and Sky Cabinets.
[0:57:16 – 0:57:18] Adam: The Undermeshed.
[0:57:18 – 0:57:20] Erik: We’ve got all kinds of camp furniture names.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:23] Erik: We’re going to start our own.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:26] Erik: This whole podcast has been market research up to this point.
[0:57:26 – 0:57:33] Erik: We’re just gathering names, and one of these days we’re going to drop a whole line of even worse than Coghlan’s products on you.
[0:57:35 – 0:57:36] Erik: We’re going to undercut Coghlan’s?
[0:57:36 – 0:57:37] Erik: Yes.
[0:57:37 – 0:57:38] Adam: You didn’t tell me.
[0:57:38 – 0:57:41] Adam: This is, oh boy, this is pure evil.
[0:57:41 – 0:57:42] Adam: Yep.
[0:57:42 – 0:57:45] Adam: This is how Terminator 1 started, I’m pretty sure.
[0:57:45 – 0:57:52] Adam: The Skynet developed an even cheaper version of camp products and sold them to everybody and they didn’t sleep.
[0:57:53 – 0:57:55] Adam: Have beer, will paddle, one point.
[0:57:56 – 0:57:56] Adam: I’ve been…
[0:57:56 – 0:57:59] Adam: I’m going to restart that one.
[0:57:59 – 0:58:02] Adam: You can’t script the first word on the comment.
[0:58:02 – 0:58:04] Erik: You should have some beer and reread.
[0:58:05 – 0:58:08] Adam: Give me a sip of this fresh coast and a nice Benadryl.
[0:58:08 – 0:58:09] Adam: We’re going to restart this one.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:11] Adam: Have beer, will paddle, one point.
[0:58:11 – 0:58:17] Adam: I’ve spent four decades as a fairly happy tent camper, but I love the hammock concept.
[0:58:17 – 0:58:22] Adam: So I have a complete Eno CCS setup that I plan on trying out on a trip to…
[0:58:23 – 0:58:45] Adam: so that i’m a knife in august however my big problem is that i am a side sleeper flip flopper and as a result of laying on my back for five weeks in traction when i was young after my brother ran me over with a pickup truck followed by a month or two in a body cast so i have a question as to whether or not i can make it through the night in a hammock does anyone sleep on their side in it
[0:58:46 – 0:58:47] Adam: or back only.
[0:58:47 – 0:58:50] Adam: I completely understand the 30-degree hang and sleeping diagonally.
[0:58:51 – 0:58:56] Adam: I’ll probably bring a small tent or bivy sack as a backup, but any feedback would be welcomed.
[0:58:58 – 0:59:02] Erik: My personal thought on that is mine’s not even really a 30-degree.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:06] Erik: Mine’s like head and toes are at, it’s like 90 flat.
[0:59:06 – 0:59:07] Erik: It’s just a flat.
[0:59:07 – 0:59:08] Adam: Oh, is that?
[0:59:08 – 0:59:09] Adam: I was thinking a zero degree.
[0:59:09 – 0:59:11] Erik: Well, zero, sure.
[0:59:11 – 0:59:15] Erik: I’m just strapped Hannibal Lecter style to the tree.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:38] Erik: yeah that’s the real trick you guys haven’t actually seen in my hammock it’s basically just a 90 degree yeah yeah um no it’s zero it’s completely flat and it’s got to be pulled tight enough so that when i put my thermo rest in it it basically turns into like a flat hanging bed so that yeah there is some bend in it obviously because there’s not ground underneath truly achieve zero
[0:59:38 – 1:00:00] Adam: no but the hammocks like when it’s starting before you get in it basically looks like it’s just yeah i’ve heard the 30 degree thing too and it’s like that’s way too much bend yeah and that’s a personal thing yeah it is gonna find your own personal uh degree that’ll work for you i end up slid up all like crunched in the bottom at a degree yeah make sure you hang both sides equally so you don’t end up like
[1:00:01 – 1:00:06] Adam: You know, or… You know what I’m saying.
[1:00:06 – 1:00:07] Adam: You can picture what I’m doing here.
[1:00:07 – 1:00:08] Adam: Yeah.
[1:00:08 – 1:00:09] Adam: Just by the noises I’m making.
[1:00:09 – 1:00:12] Erik: But you can sleep a little bit on your side, especially like in the morning.
[1:00:13 – 1:00:13] Erik: A little bit.
[1:00:13 – 1:00:13] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:00:14 – 1:00:17] Erik: I can’t go like long periods of time on my side.
[1:00:17 – 1:00:21] Adam: We really got to make this video because I sleep exclusively on my side.
[1:00:21 – 1:00:44] Erik: wow well i guess i’ve never gone ever come over and like peeked into your hand also never sleep on my stomach though and at home i like to sleep on my stomach i don’t think you can sleep on your stomach in a hammock that would be oh no i don’t know what they call that i believe they call that like they call that you’re you’re never getting up again downward scoliosis dog oh my god some kind of a horrible spine move like breached whale
[1:00:46 – 1:01:10] Adam: yeah no you can do a little side work i think depends on back and forth side to side yeah that’s all i do all night i wake up and i’m like all right flip it over to the other side i never go for the back i always start on my back unless i’m like reading before i fall asleep then i’ll kind of just keep her level but yeah once it’s time to go to bed i kind of curl it up and turn it the thing is you got to curl up the knee yeah you got to work the knee in conjunction with the shoulder
[1:01:11 – 1:01:15] Erik: Geez, there are some serious strikes of lightning out there.
[1:01:15 – 1:01:18] Adam: The old river out back is getting struck.
[1:01:18 – 1:01:19] Erik: Yeah, we should go outside and watch the bolts.
[1:01:19 – 1:01:20] Adam: Like good nights of sleep.
[1:01:21 – 1:01:23] Adam: Hey, you got your lightning tracker pulled up?
[1:01:23 – 1:01:25] Erik: Yeah, it says stay inside for 30 minutes.
[1:01:27 – 1:01:27] Adam: Oh.
[1:01:27 – 1:01:28] Erik: Let’s go out there.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:29] Adam: Don’t go in your RV.
[1:01:30 – 1:01:37] Adam: All right, we got a couple of responses on this thing about bridge hammocks and laying diagonally or asymmetrically.
[1:01:37 – 1:01:38] Adam: You got to check them out.
[1:01:38 – 1:01:41] Erik: It’s all about the math and obviously just your general comfort level.
[1:01:41 – 1:01:42] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:42] Erik: Just go with it.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:43] Adam: Just go with the flow.
[1:01:44 – 1:01:44] Erik: Yep.
[1:01:46 – 1:01:47] Adam: But anyways, yeah, I wouldn’t worry about it.
[1:01:47 – 1:01:50] Adam: You can definitely… You do not need to be on your back at all.
[1:01:51 – 1:02:00] Adam: No, I mean… Once you figure it out, how your angles are working and you get your set right, just make sure you test it out before it’s actually bedtime.
[1:02:00 – 1:02:00] Erik: Yep.
[1:02:01 – 1:02:05] Adam: Don’t just set it up and then go, you know, drink a whole sack of Benadryl.
[1:02:05 – 1:02:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:07] Adam: Liquid Benadryl.
[1:02:07 – 1:02:11] Adam: Yeah, you know, get it right first, then go have yourself a little stew.
[1:02:12 – 1:02:12] Erik: Well, that’s the thing.
[1:02:13 – 1:02:25] Erik: Try even setting it up maybe at some trees at home or in the park and just try a little precursor and, you know, then obviously when you’re in camp, set it up before it gets dark and you’re all Benadryled out.
[1:02:26 – 1:02:27] Erik: Goes to Vet Abbey.
[1:02:28 – 1:02:28] Erik: Sky.
[1:02:29 – 1:02:30] Erik: Haven’t been on the ground since 2013.
[1:02:32 – 1:02:36] Erik: Current setup is a war bonnet blackbird and it’s great.
[1:02:36 – 1:02:40] Erik: I went a bit more modest on the tarp with an Eno ProFly.
[1:02:41 – 1:02:51] Erik: My WBBB is double layered so I have always used a wide sleeping pad between the layers instead of an underquilt which has worked fine.
[1:02:52 – 1:03:02] Erik: My older pad finally wore out and didn’t hold air anymore last year and I replaced it with a Climate Hammock V pad which is a bit large to get between the hammock layers but has worked great.
[1:03:03 – 1:03:22] Erik: before the double WBBB I used the buyers of Maine with the big net did some backpacking with it and learned the hard way about bottom insulation that would have been about 2006 or 7 when all these great online resources either weren’t available or I didn’t know how to look
[1:03:24 – 1:03:25] Erik: My wife and kids still use a tent.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:32] Erik: A mixed group is probably ideal for most campsites as there’s usually at least one decent tent pad and a couple of good hammock trees.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:33] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:34] Erik: That’s another good point too.
[1:03:35 – 1:03:36] Adam: Diversify your portfolio.
[1:03:36 – 1:03:48] Erik: You got to diversify that campsite because sometimes, yeah, you get a site where you need to have three big tents set up and then you get that, you know, interpersonal dynamic of who’s going to get that good tent pad.
[1:03:49 – 1:03:50] Erik: How do you make that decision?
[1:03:51 – 1:03:52] Adam: Boy, you give them a pass the pigs.
[1:03:52 – 1:03:52] Adam: Bobby.
[1:03:54 – 1:03:56] Adam: Yeah, shake some pigs for that.
[1:03:58 – 1:04:00] Adam: Hopalicious, friend of the show, one point.
[1:04:01 – 1:04:02] Adam: Tent.
[1:04:03 – 1:04:04] Adam: But I bring both.
[1:04:04 – 1:04:06] Adam: Well, we’re going to mark you down for tent there.
[1:04:06 – 1:04:06] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:04:06 – 1:04:07] Adam: What about two ago?
[1:04:07 – 1:04:10] Adam: I don’t know what the vote should have been on that one anyways.
[1:04:10 – 1:04:11] Erik: What was two ago?
[1:04:11 – 1:04:18] Adam: Two ago was, jeez, how many responses was there?
[1:04:20 – 1:04:21] Adam: Have beer, will paddle.
[1:04:21 – 1:04:22] Adam: Questioning.
[1:04:22 – 1:04:25] Adam: The happy tent camper who loves the hammock concept.
[1:04:26 – 1:04:27] Adam: Yeah, I think that’s tent.
[1:04:27 – 1:04:28] Erik: That’s tent.
[1:04:28 – 1:04:29] Adam: All right, we’re going tent on that one.
[1:04:29 – 1:04:33] Erik: That was the conversation we were having about side sleeping.
[1:04:34 – 1:04:34] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:34 – 1:04:35] Adam: Questions.
[1:04:35 – 1:04:36] Adam: A lot of questions.
[1:04:37 – 1:04:39] Adam: Oh, I almost blocked you, Hopalicious.
[1:04:39 – 1:04:40] Adam: I don’t know how to work these things.
[1:04:40 – 1:04:41] Adam: Hopalicious, one point.
[1:04:41 – 1:04:42] Adam: Tent, but I bring both.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:47] Adam: I own a grand trunk hammock, but I’ve yet to test it at camp.
[1:04:47 – 1:04:50] Adam: My last campsite had no acceptable hangar trees.
[1:04:50 – 1:04:54] Adam: What the heck are you supposed to do if you can’t find a campsite with hangable trees?
[1:04:54 – 1:04:55] Adam: Move on.
[1:04:55 – 1:04:56] Adam: There will always be ground.
[1:04:58 – 1:04:58] Erik: No, move on.
[1:04:59 – 1:04:59] Erik: You leave that campsite.
[1:04:59 – 1:05:01] Adam: We live in the boreal forest.
[1:05:01 – 1:05:02] Adam: You can find some trees.
[1:05:02 – 1:05:06] Adam: You might be in some thick stuff, but you can find something in any campsite.
[1:05:07 – 1:05:11] Adam: If you don’t find one that has really nice hangars, move on.
[1:05:12 – 1:05:14] Adam: I mean, listen to one of our campsite reviews.
[1:05:14 – 1:05:18] Adam: I mean, that’s one of the first things I’m looking for now when I roll up on a campsite, to be honest.
[1:05:18 – 1:05:19] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:19 – 1:05:20] Adam: I need some big open trees.
[1:05:20 – 1:05:21] Adam: I want those trunks, baby.
[1:05:22 – 1:05:23] Adam: Let me see those trunks.
[1:05:25 – 1:05:25] Adam: Is that dirty?
[1:05:26 – 1:05:26] Adam: No, no, no.
[1:05:26 – 1:05:27] Adam: That’s not dirty.
[1:05:27 – 1:05:27] Erik: No.
[1:05:28 – 1:05:28] Erik: Denny bug.
[1:05:28 – 1:05:34] Adam: We’re currently one for Cots, seven for Sky, seven for Tent, one for Wet for Nash, and zero for RVs.
[1:05:35 – 1:05:57] Erik: nice all right denabug denibug hammock sleeper but i’ve been bringing a tent along on bwca trips as well another questionable started out six to seven years ago with an eno setup and a hennessey expedition setup for the hubby a few years ago we swapped those out for dutchware chameleons with the double whoopee hook suspension
[1:05:58 – 1:05:59] Adam: Well, that sounds awesome.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:00] Adam: I want that.
[1:06:00 – 1:06:05] Erik: And use a spreader bar setup so we only need to find two trees to set up on.
[1:06:05 – 1:06:13] Erik: Makes for a much smaller footprint within the campsite, but all your partner’s movements travel through the spreader bar so you don’t get bounced around quite a bit.
[1:06:15 – 1:06:19] Erik: So you do get bounced around quite a bit when they are getting in and out.
[1:06:19 – 1:06:20] Erik: Do you not?
[1:06:20 – 1:06:21] Erik: Wait.
[1:06:21 – 1:06:23] Erik: I’m assuming it’s so you don’t.
[1:06:24 – 1:06:26] Adam: Yeah, it’s like one of those… Or maybe that is the one complaint.
[1:06:26 – 1:06:33] Adam: You can throw a bowling ball in the one hammock and have like a fine flute of champagne in the other hammock and it won’t be disturbed.
[1:06:33 – 1:06:37] Erik: No, I don’t think it’s the mattress with the bowling ball and the flute.
[1:06:37 – 1:06:39] Adam: This hammock has 14,000 coils.
[1:06:39 – 1:06:44] Erik: I think it’s an actual, a bit of a complaint saying that because of the spreader bar… Oh, I see.
[1:06:44 – 1:06:51] Erik: When somebody gets in and out, you will feel the bouncing and jouncing because of the spreader bar.
[1:06:51 – 1:06:53] Adam: Oh, I’m going to score that one for Skyy.
[1:06:54 – 1:06:56] Erik: Yeah, I mean, for sure.
[1:06:57 – 1:07:01] Erik: Obviously, we’re biased and we know which one we want the points to go towards.
[1:07:02 – 1:07:02] Adam: I’m just scoring.
[1:07:03 – 1:07:06] Erik: Yeah, you are just the rule keeper.
[1:07:07 – 1:07:09] Adam: Lieutenant Chopping Broccoli, one point.
[1:07:10 – 1:07:11] Adam: That’s a great username.
[1:07:12 – 1:07:12] Adam: Well done.
[1:07:13 – 1:07:14] Adam: Skysleeper.
[1:07:14 – 1:07:21] Adam: I’m such a devoted skysleeper at this point that I pack a small dog tent so that I can still sleep in a hammock even when I bring the pup.
[1:07:22 – 1:07:27] Adam: I haven’t found a way to sleep in more than one hammock at a time, but that hasn’t stopped me from owning a few.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:33] Erik: I thought he was going to say that he brings a dog tent just so he can kick it because he hates tents so much.
[1:07:33 – 1:07:34] Erik: Ha ha ha.
[1:07:36 – 1:07:37] Adam: You monster.
[1:07:41 – 1:07:43] Adam: In order from my favorite to least favorite.
[1:07:43 – 1:07:44] Adam: Number one.
[1:07:44 – 1:07:47] Adam: Oh, we got a little mini ranker episode here.
[1:07:47 – 1:07:48] Erik: Of hammocks?
[1:07:49 – 1:07:50] Erik: Hammock rankers.
[1:07:50 – 1:07:54] Erik: We’re sleeping in the sky.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:54] Adam: Number one.
[1:07:55 – 1:07:56] Adam: Dutch chameleon.
[1:07:57 – 1:07:58] Adam: Dutch chameleon.
[1:07:58 – 1:08:00] Adam: Double shout out for Dutch chameleon tonight.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:01] Adam: I’m excited.
[1:08:02 – 1:08:03] Adam: Gotta look into the Dutch.
[1:08:03 – 1:08:04] Adam: I’m gonna make a note here.
[1:08:04 – 1:08:05] Adam: Dutch chameleon number one.
[1:08:07 – 1:08:11] Adam: And when you know it’s coming from Lieutenant Chop and Broccoli, you know this is solid advice.
[1:08:12 – 1:08:15] Adam: Number two, Simply Light Trail Layer.
[1:08:16 – 1:08:17] Adam: Ooh, I like that.
[1:08:18 – 1:08:20] Adam: Number three, Dream Hammock Raven.
[1:08:21 – 1:08:24] Adam: Number four, WBBBXL.
[1:08:24 – 1:08:26] Adam: I think that’s the war bonnet.
[1:08:26 – 1:08:29] Adam: I think it’s a war bonnet, if I know my hammock lingo.
[1:08:30 – 1:08:33] Adam: Number five, the Grand Trunk Skeeter Beater.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:34] Adam: I don’t think that’s a real one.
[1:08:34 – 1:08:40] Adam: I think this is going to be one of those games where in the next stanza he’s going to say, which one of those wasn’t real?
[1:08:41 – 1:08:42] Adam: I think that’s a real one.
[1:08:42 – 1:08:43] Adam: That’s funny.
[1:08:43 – 1:08:44] Erik: The Skeeter Beater.
[1:08:45 – 1:08:48] Adam: I’m a big fan of both the War Bonnet Superplay and the Mamba Jamba.
[1:08:49 – 1:08:55] Adam: I use a JacksRBetter Summer Top Quilt and an Enlightened Equipment Top Quilt for shoulder seasons.
[1:08:56 – 1:09:01] Adam: For bottom insulation, I use Various Weight Hammock Gear or Enlightened Equipment Underquilts.
[1:09:02 – 1:09:09] Adam: For winter camping, I use an overstuffed 0° Cedar Ridge Convector Underquilt and a 0° Rob’s Sleeping Bag.
[1:09:10 – 1:09:13] Adam: If it is going to be colder than 10 below, I’m hot tenting.
[1:09:14 – 1:09:15] Adam: No frozen butt hanging for me.
[1:09:16 – 1:09:17] Adam: There you go.
[1:09:17 – 1:09:20] Erik: Well, we’ve got the wall.
[1:09:20 – 1:09:25] Adam: We’re going to give you two extra upvotes for that, Lieutenant Chopping Broccoli.
[1:09:25 – 1:09:26] Erik: Yeah, that was nice.
[1:09:26 – 1:09:27] Erik: That’s a lot of hammocks that you own.
[1:09:27 – 1:09:31] Adam: That’s, I think, the first time we’ve had Lieutenant Chopping Broccoli on the show.
[1:09:32 – 1:09:34] Adam: What a way to debut on Tumble Home.
[1:09:34 – 1:09:35] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[1:09:35 – 1:09:36] Erik: What a debut indeed.
[1:09:37 – 1:09:37] Adam: What a debut.
[1:09:37 – 1:09:41] Adam: We’ve got to keep track of that for the awards ceremony at the end of the year.
[1:09:41 – 1:09:42] Adam: Debut of the year?
[1:09:42 – 1:09:45] Adam: You may have a nominee here.
[1:09:45 – 1:09:46] Erik: The Tumblies?
[1:09:46 – 1:09:48] Erik: Is that something that’s happening this year now?
[1:09:48 – 1:09:49] Adam: Chopping broccoli.
[1:09:49 – 1:09:52] Erik: Every idea we’ve ever had has just started completely randomly.
[1:09:53 – 1:09:53] Erik: All right, start it up.
[1:09:54 – 1:09:54] Adam: Tumblies.
[1:09:55 – 1:09:57] Erik: We’ll do that at the end of this year.
[1:09:57 – 1:09:59] Erik: It’ll be based on the subreddit.
[1:10:01 – 1:10:03] Adam: Coghlan’s meme of the year.
[1:10:06 – 1:10:30] Adam: oh this is the that’s gonna be the final award at the end of the night everybody’s looking to find out which congland meme yeah the best bobby movie poster of the year oh no we’ve started something i can tell the dutch chameleon huh yeah number one dutch chameleon i’m looking into it maybe that’s a couple votes of confidence for the dutch chameleon yeah i think we’re uh
[1:10:32 – 1:10:33] Erik: Maybe, are we the baddies?
[1:10:34 – 1:10:36] Adam: No, we’re just old-fashioned.
[1:10:36 – 1:10:40] Erik: I think it’s just a time for some new gear for me.
[1:10:40 – 1:10:42] Adam: That’s how it goes sometimes.
[1:10:42 – 1:10:44] Adam: You just kind of ride out a gear.
[1:10:44 – 1:10:47] Adam: Usually, if I get a decade out of a piece of gear, then it’s been a success.
[1:10:48 – 1:10:52] Adam: I’ve gotten almost a decade out of my original hammock.
[1:10:52 – 1:10:57] Adam: It’s still doing the job, but that doesn’t mean I got to keep using it.
[1:10:57 – 1:10:59] Adam: How many hammocks does this friend have?
[1:10:59 – 1:10:59] Adam: Five.
[1:11:00 – 1:11:01] Adam: Four, five, six.
[1:11:02 – 1:11:03] Adam: Who knows how many, really.
[1:11:03 – 1:11:04] Erik: He sounded a little obsessed with the hammocks.
[1:11:05 – 1:11:09] Adam: So, I mean, it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world to go find myself a nice Dutch chameleon.
[1:11:10 – 1:11:10] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:10 – 1:11:10] Erik: I mean.
[1:11:11 – 1:11:11] Adam: Try it out.
[1:11:11 – 1:11:12] Adam: Why not?
[1:11:13 – 1:11:16] Adam: If the Dutch chameleon comes with the under mesh shed, then I’m all in.
[1:11:16 – 1:11:17] Adam: I want one.
[1:11:17 – 1:11:17] Adam: I can’t wait.
[1:11:17 – 1:11:18] Adam: Or maybe a war bonnet.
[1:11:18 – 1:11:20] Adam: That sounds like the two top contenders so far.
[1:11:20 – 1:11:21] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:21 – 1:11:22] Erik: That’s what it sounds like.
[1:11:22 – 1:11:26] Adam: The war bonnet sounds good if you want to add a bunch of cushions in underneath, though.
[1:11:26 – 1:11:26] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:26 – 1:11:26] Erik: All the cushions.
[1:11:26 – 1:11:27] Adam: I don’t need that.
[1:11:27 – 1:11:29] Adam: I just need a shed made of mesh.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:30] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[1:11:31 – 1:12:00] Adam: all of the maybe a foot heater the different like varieties and brands of like side quilts and under sheets it’s like whoa what’s all this about i got a crazy i got a sleeping bag and a hammock i don’t think we should be the ones throw like a one little hand warmer down in the feet or maybe a water bottle filled with some hot water down there in the feet that’s all you do yeah printing printing i don’t know if you’ve heard from printing printing in a welcome back it’s good to hear from you printing printing but unfortunately not the last comment
[1:12:01 – 1:12:02] Adam: Tried your best.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:02] Erik: Tried your best.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:03] Erik: Printing, printing.
[1:12:03 – 1:12:05] Erik: You’re just a little off your game these days.
[1:12:05 – 1:12:07] Adam: We release the episodes on Sunday.
[1:12:07 – 1:12:07] Adam: There’s your hint.
[1:12:09 – 1:12:10] Erik: Ground sleeper here.
[1:12:10 – 1:12:15] Erik: As I said before, I would love to try out the sky, but that might have to wait till I go solo without the lady.
[1:12:16 – 1:12:17] Adam: It’s a common sentiment.
[1:12:18 – 1:12:18] Adam: Yeah.
[1:12:18 – 1:12:19] Adam: You’re going to sleep with the sweetie.
[1:12:19 – 1:12:20] Erik: Yep.
[1:12:20 – 1:12:25] Erik: She already gets mad at me because she can’t wake me up in the middle of the night when she hears weird sounds.
[1:12:25 – 1:12:28] Erik: So me being in the hammock away from her would not help my case.
[1:12:29 – 1:12:29] Erik: Anyways.
[1:12:29 – 1:12:33] Adam: They’re going to come eat you first before they go in the tent.
[1:12:33 – 1:12:33] Adam: Right.
[1:12:33 – 1:12:35] Adam: You’re just taking the attention away.
[1:12:35 – 1:12:37] Erik: Yep, I always say I get a good sleep on the ground.
[1:12:38 – 1:12:41] Erik: When it comes to the B-dubs, I sleep in an REA Half Dome 2+.
[1:12:42 – 1:12:46] Erik: Fits me, the dog, and the dog mama real well with lots of room to spare.
[1:12:47 – 1:12:52] Erik: I sleep on top of a Therm-a-Rest Z-Lite that doubles as the foam back of my canoe pack.
[1:12:52 – 1:12:53] Erik: So comfy to portage.
[1:12:53 – 1:13:18] Erik: yeah that’s a good point you can really trick out the portage pack with those pads on top of me is one of my most prized camping items down ee revelation 20 degree quilt so cozy it is also the dog’s favorite camp item she naps on it and then has to be tucked in with me under it at night that’s wonderful
[1:13:19 – 1:13:25] Erik: I do have a hammock that I sewed years ago and will try to get out in it this fall for an overnight trip.
[1:13:27 – 1:13:30] Erik: Zonk, zonk, zonk, pass another?
[1:13:30 – 1:13:32] Adam: Heck yeah.
[1:13:32 – 1:13:33] Adam: Zonk, zonk, pass another.
[1:13:33 – 1:13:35] Erik: That’s what we say on this show all the time.
[1:13:35 – 1:13:36] Adam: Hold on, I gotta write this down now.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:38] Adam: Zonk, zonk.
[1:13:38 – 1:13:39] Erik: Zonk, zonk, pass another.
[1:13:42 – 1:13:43] Adam: Catchphrase of the year.
[1:13:44 – 1:13:47] Erik: Yes, the tumbly for catchphrase of the year.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:50] Adam: Zonk, zoink, catch another from episode 107.
[1:13:54 – 1:13:54] Adam: Absolutely.
[1:13:56 – 1:13:56] Adam: I accept.
[1:13:57 – 1:13:57] Adam: Thank you.
[1:13:58 – 1:14:00] Adam: Has anybody ever put their dog in a hammock?
[1:14:00 – 1:14:07] Adam: We’ve heard a few of these questions or comments where people are like, well, I couldn’t leave the poor dog out of the tent.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:13] Adam: That’s why I’ve heard it said a few times.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:14] Adam: I can’t sleep in a hammock.
[1:14:14 – 1:14:15] Adam: What would the dog do?
[1:14:16 – 1:14:18] Adam: Well, you could just chain the dog to the tree.
[1:14:19 – 1:14:21] Erik: Big chains, too.
[1:14:21 – 1:14:22] Erik: Heavy.
[1:14:24 – 1:14:30] Adam: I mean, I brought the cable and just cabled arrow to the tree I’m currently nesting in.
[1:14:31 – 1:14:44] Erik: Well sure that’s fine But if it is buggy that’s kind of mean She’ll whine in the morning then Please wake up These bugs and I need my breakfast Man the bugs are annoying to the dogs too Yeah they are Poor dogs
[1:14:45 – 1:14:47] Adam: Dutch paddler, one point.
[1:14:47 – 1:14:49] Adam: Ground sleeper, so far.
[1:14:49 – 1:14:50] Adam: We’re scoring it.
[1:14:50 – 1:14:51] Adam: Ground sleeper.
[1:14:51 – 1:14:53] Adam: We’re tied back up at nine apiece.
[1:14:54 – 1:14:57] Adam: But you guys may have convinced me to try the sky one day.
[1:14:58 – 1:15:01] Adam: First need to invest and try out my comfort in the backyard.
[1:15:01 – 1:15:04] Adam: Side sleeper, that’s my main concern.
[1:15:04 – 1:15:06] Adam: Deceit, 12 minutes ago in the episode.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:06] Adam: Not a problem.
[1:15:07 – 1:15:11] Adam: Considering the Amok Drummer for that reason.
[1:15:11 – 1:15:13] Adam: Is that a Quebecois hammock?
[1:15:14 – 1:15:14] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:15:15 – 1:15:15] Adam: I’m intrigued.
[1:15:16 – 1:15:17] Erik: Write that one down too.
[1:15:18 – 1:15:19] Adam: Amok Drummer.
[1:15:22 – 1:15:24] Erik: I think somebody had mentioned that before previously.
[1:15:24 – 1:15:27] Erik: It was after a long string of other words I didn’t recognize.
[1:15:27 – 1:15:30] Adam: You’ve got some fun ones coming up for you here.
[1:15:30 – 1:15:32] Adam: It looks like you’ve got the final comment here.
[1:15:32 – 1:15:33] Adam: Maybe the tiebreaker?
[1:15:34 – 1:15:37] Adam: We currently have 1 for Kotz, 9 for Sky, 9 for Tent.
[1:15:38 – 1:15:39] Adam: And one for Wetfoot.
[1:15:39 – 1:15:43] Adam: I don’t know if I’ve scored this right, but there’s still zero for RV.
[1:15:44 – 1:15:45] Adam: But it looks like we’re tied 9-9.
[1:15:46 – 1:15:52] Adam: There’s a couple questionable ones where I don’t know that we could determine a proper vote.
[1:15:52 – 1:15:53] Adam: This is close.
[1:15:53 – 1:15:55] Adam: We’ve still got all our friends on Facebook coming up.
[1:15:56 – 1:16:19] Erik: yes well maybe it’s already a minute it’s already an hour and 15 and we may have it’s coming up in part two okay it’s absolutely coming in part two all right so this isn’t gonna just settle it but it’ll be interesting to see who wins part one with this comment let’s go part one cobra 317 vote tent plus luxurious sleep system tent marmot tungsten 2p
[1:16:21 – 1:16:26] Erik: Sleep system, Sea to Summit Comfort Plus self-inflating mat.
[1:16:27 – 1:16:33] Erik: That’s the one I use in my hammock for a cushy night’s sleep with ample R-value.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:34] Erik: Gotta love that R-value.
[1:16:35 – 1:16:37] Erik: Rated enough for any temps in the BWCA.
[1:16:37 – 1:16:50] Erik: Sleeping bag is also a Sea to Summit Ascent 2 bias, but this thing has all the features, ventilation and warmth you could ever desire in a down bag, accompanied with a cool max liner and an Aeros premium pillow.
[1:16:51 – 1:16:54] Erik: That’s mostly what we send out at Clearwater, Sea to Summit bags.
[1:16:55 – 1:16:56] Erik: That’s what I have.
[1:16:56 – 1:16:58] Erik: They’re nice and downy.
[1:16:59 – 1:17:05] Erik: They smash down to tiny sizes, and then when they puff up, though, they’re super warm.
[1:17:06 – 1:17:06] Adam: That’s another one.
[1:17:06 – 1:17:09] Adam: I’m going on almost a decade with the same Sea to Summit bag.
[1:17:10 – 1:17:11] Erik: Here’s the granite gear.
[1:17:11 – 1:17:14] Erik: That blue and gray one?
[1:17:14 – 1:17:15] Adam: No, it’s mountain hardware.
[1:17:15 – 1:17:16] Adam: I’m sorry.
[1:17:16 – 1:17:17] Adam: Yeah, mountain hardware.
[1:17:17 – 1:17:18] Adam: You don’t even know what you’re sleeping in.
[1:17:18 – 1:17:19] Adam: The one you had in Quetico.
[1:17:19 – 1:17:20] Adam: Yeah.
[1:17:20 – 1:17:20] Adam: I still have it.
[1:17:21 – 1:17:21] Adam: It’s still doing great.
[1:17:22 – 1:17:23] Erik: Except those cold feet.
[1:17:23 – 1:17:24] Erik: That’s just the dead toe.
[1:17:24 – 1:17:25] Adam: Whatever.
[1:17:25 – 1:17:26] Adam: My butt’s fine.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:27] Erik: That’s true.
[1:17:27 – 1:17:28] Erik: Never heard you have a cold butt.
[1:17:28 – 1:17:31] Adam: I’ll trade a frozen foot for a warm butt every day.
[1:17:31 – 1:17:31] Erik: Yep.
[1:17:33 – 1:17:33] Erik: Well.
[1:17:35 – 1:17:48] Erik: I think that’s going to do it because we pushed our recording to about the max limit that we could possibly push it to with Sundays being the day we post these.
[1:17:48 – 1:17:55] Erik: So it’s kind of late on a Saturday, and I don’t have another hour and 15 minutes in me to read the Facebook comments.
[1:17:55 – 1:17:56] Adam: I can’t even read anymore.
[1:17:56 – 1:17:57] Adam: It’s a lot of reading.
[1:17:57 – 1:17:58] Adam: Too much Fresh Coast.
[1:17:58 – 1:18:00] Adam: Eric made me drink both of the Fresh Coast.
[1:18:00 – 1:18:00] Adam: Thank you, Max.
[1:18:01 – 1:18:02] Adam: I need more water.
[1:18:02 – 1:18:04] Erik: I don’t have to just go out into your kitchen and down a pint of water.
[1:18:04 – 1:18:06] Erik: Step outside and stick your tongue out.
[1:18:06 – 1:18:10] Erik: I ate a whole quesadilla before coming over here and now I’m all salty.
[1:18:11 – 1:18:13] Adam: See, I saved my poutine and pizza for later.
[1:18:13 – 1:18:15] Erik: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:18:15 – 1:18:25] Adam: Let’s just put our whoopie hooks in the tree at this point, and we’ll come back to it next week in part two of Sweet Dreams, a Boundary Waters sleep cast.
[1:18:25 – 1:18:26] Erik: Boundary Waters Z cast.
[1:18:27 – 1:18:30] Erik: And we did say last weekend we were going to have some things to say about some…
[1:18:31 – 1:19:00] Erik: um outfits and organizations that we’re working with and i don’t know if there’s going to be time to talk about that we will start next shows with though uh next week’s show with that i will promise you that um things are still happening it’s just um this last week went by in a flash sure does that’s how they do it here we’re in the six weeks the real meat of summer right now there’s a six week window where you don’t even know what day of the week it is yeah and uh that’s just the way it goes so
[1:19:00 – 1:19:00] Erik: Yep.
[1:19:01 – 1:19:07] Erik: I was out on a guided trip and then I had a day off and then all of a sudden it’s Saturday and another week has gone by and…
[1:19:10 – 1:19:10] Erik: Yeah, it’s all happening.
[1:19:10 – 1:19:12] Erik: It’s almost August now, too.
[1:19:12 – 1:19:18] Erik: So next week, we will finish up Sweet Dreams Sky Sleeper versus Grand Sleepers.
[1:19:18 – 1:19:19] Erik: It’s a close one.
[1:19:19 – 1:19:20] Erik: The battle still rages on.
[1:19:20 – 1:19:21] Adam: It’s a close one, guys.
[1:19:21 – 1:19:23] Adam: Tenties, they do have these slight lead.
[1:19:23 – 1:19:25] Adam: Tenties have a narrow lead right now of 10 to 9.
[1:19:25 – 1:19:26] Adam: Yep.
[1:19:27 – 1:19:27] Adam: Tenties.
[1:19:28 – 1:19:38] Adam: All right, for Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast coming to you from Studio K, the rainy, stormy Studio K. It’s pounding down right now.
[1:19:39 – 1:19:39] Adam: It is.
[1:19:39 – 1:19:41] Adam: I love the sound of a nice rain.
[1:19:41 – 1:19:43] Adam: It’s been raining like crazy up here.
[1:19:43 – 1:19:43] Adam: Yep.
[1:19:43 – 1:19:47] Adam: This has been episode 107, Sweet Dreams Part 1.
[1:19:47 – 1:19:47] Adam: My name is Adam.
[1:19:48 – 1:19:50] Adam: Joining me here in Studio K is my good friend Eric.
[1:19:51 – 1:19:52] Adam: Thanks for being here, Eric.
[1:19:52 – 1:19:53] Adam: Thank you for having me.
[1:19:53 – 1:19:54] Adam: All right.
[1:19:56 – 1:20:00] Adam: Got to cue the chiptunes here.
[1:20:00 – 1:20:02] Adam: Zonk, zoink, pass another.
[1:20:04 – 1:20:05] Adam: Zonk, zoinks.
[1:20:06 – 1:20:08] Adam: It’s just a singular zoink.
[1:20:09 – 1:20:10] Erik: No, no zoinks.
[1:20:10 – 1:20:14] Erik: That’s copyrighted by the Scooby-Doo franchise.
[1:20:14 – 1:20:17] Adam: That’s what I thought we were going for at first, but it’s not.
[1:20:17 – 1:20:18] Adam: I think it’s something else entirely.
[1:20:19 – 1:20:19] Erik: Yep.
[1:20:28 – 1:20:30] Adam: What if you just slept in a Coghlan’s butterfly net?
[1:20:33 – 1:20:35] Adam: Just hang a Coghlan’s butterfly net.
[1:20:36 – 1:20:37] Adam: That’s how you get the 90 degree.
[1:20:38 – 1:20:39] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[1:20:47 – 1:20:56] Erik: Oh, and if you’re still listening, question of the week next week, well, two weeks from now, is what you drinking?
[1:20:56 – 1:20:57] Erik: How you drinking it?
[1:20:57 – 1:21:06] Erik: Water filtration systems and campfire sippers, treats on the trail, all things that go in the mouth.
[1:21:08 – 1:21:09] Adam: What is it?
[1:21:11 – 1:21:14] Adam: I mean, this is already a thread on our Tumble Home cast.
[1:21:14 – 1:21:15] Erik: Yeah, I threw it up there again.
[1:21:15 – 1:21:18] Erik: I’ll probably go back and maybe read both.
[1:21:18 – 1:21:24] Adam: Because the one that was originally posted was just like… That was an organically generated question of the week from the listeners.
[1:21:24 – 1:21:25] Erik: They’re doing the work for us now.
[1:21:26 – 1:21:27] Adam: Well, they had so many responses.
[1:21:27 – 1:21:29] Adam: It’s like, well, we better do something with this.
[1:21:29 – 1:21:34] Erik: Yeah, but I think I brought to the table the filtration.
[1:21:34 – 1:21:35] Erik: Do you just scoop?
[1:21:35 – 1:21:37] Erik: Are you a real mad lad?
[1:21:38 – 1:21:38] Erik: You just dipping?
[1:21:39 – 1:21:42] Erik: Just stick a straw right in the beaver dam.
[1:21:42 – 1:21:47] Erik: Yeah, remember those lights, those UV lights that you used to be able to use?
[1:21:47 – 1:21:49] Adam: Yeah, we have one of them.
[1:21:49 – 1:21:49] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:21:49 – 1:21:52] Adam: We have one of them, and the battery died in the middle of the Grand Canyon.
[1:21:52 – 1:21:54] Erik: I mean, that’s what those things used to do.
[1:21:54 – 1:21:55] Erik: They just break immediately.
[1:21:57 – 1:22:02] Erik: Anyway, if you’re still listening, yeah, that question has been posted on the subreddit and on Facebook.
[1:22:02 – 1:22:07] Erik: But if you are a recovering social media user, tumblehomecasts at gmail.com.
[1:22:07 – 1:22:08] Erik: How you drinking?
[1:22:08 – 1:22:09] Adam: What you drinking?
[1:22:10 – 1:22:11] Adam: Water, water everywhere.
[1:22:12 – 1:22:13] Erik: Now let’s all have a drink.
[1:22:23 – 1:22:23] Erik: Seamless.