As the statute of limitations runs out all of our past secrets are finally exposed in their true shocking details. With or without royal permission the tea is getting spilled.
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[0:00:39 – 0:01:04] Adam: welcome tumble home boundary waters podcast this is episode 236 of tumble home proud independent border waters podcast my name is francois lake historic coming to you live in the tumble shed tonight my dear friend eric hello eric hello it’s dark eric oh it’s real dark he’s you’re looking pretty relaxed tonight sir
[0:01:05 – 0:01:09] Erik: Yeah, well, all I can do is sit at this point.
[0:01:10 – 0:01:11] Erik: Can’t stand.
[0:01:12 – 0:01:13] Erik: Cannot be of service any longer.
[0:01:14 – 0:01:18] Erik: I am wrung out for all needs to the general public.
[0:01:18 – 0:01:19] Erik: I’m sorry.
[0:01:20 – 0:01:21] Adam: Not the public.
[0:01:22 – 0:01:23] Adam: Public.
[0:01:23 – 0:01:25] Adam: Public to public.
[0:01:25 – 0:01:27] Adam: I cannot serve public no more.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:28] Erik: No longer.
[0:01:31 – 0:01:37] Adam: Today it’s Ronald Sherrout, our calendar fact of the night for October… No, it’s not quite.
[0:01:37 – 0:01:38] Adam: September 30th.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:40] Erik: Oh, a couple hours away, though.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:41] Adam: Oh, we’re so close.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:45] Adam: I just wanted to turn the page so badly on this calendar.
[0:01:46 – 0:01:52] Adam: Your Ronald Cher out our calendar fact of the night for September 30th, 2023.
[0:01:52 – 0:01:55] Adam: Rough grouse eating dogwood berries.
[0:01:55 – 0:02:00] Adam: Sunset is at 6.55 p.m. Full moon was last night.
[0:02:01 – 0:02:01] Erik: Officially?
[0:02:01 – 0:02:03] Adam: We’re one night off.
[0:02:03 – 0:02:04] Adam: Sorry, two nights.
[0:02:04 – 0:02:05] Adam: Still pretty dang bright.
[0:02:06 – 0:02:06] Adam: No, one night.
[0:02:06 – 0:02:07] Adam: Fact checked on the fly.
[0:02:08 – 0:02:09] Adam: Yeah, it’s still pretty bright out there.
[0:02:09 – 0:02:11] Adam: And actually, I couldn’t even see it last night.
[0:02:12 – 0:02:12] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:12 – 0:02:13] Adam: It’s going out there.
[0:02:13 – 0:02:14] Erik: Yeah, it was cloudy.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:15] Erik: Was it not?
[0:02:15 – 0:02:22] Adam: It was cloudy and also it was probably behind the house and I wasn’t willing to walk around out there in my slippers to see it.
[0:02:23 – 0:02:25] Adam: It was clearly too cloudy.
[0:02:25 – 0:02:26] Adam: You’re not going to see it.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:29] Adam: Those troublesome brutes.
[0:02:30 – 0:02:32] Erik: Those troublesome brutish clouds in the way.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:34] Adam: I don’t like that.
[0:02:34 – 0:02:36] Adam: The old north wind.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:37] Adam: It’s going to blow.
[0:02:39 – 0:02:41] Adam: Got some new maps out here in the tumble shed tonight.
[0:02:41 – 0:02:43] Adam: What do you think of these new maps, Eric?
[0:02:44 – 0:02:44] Erik: New or old?
[0:02:46 – 0:02:47] Adam: They are old.
[0:02:47 – 0:02:48] Adam: Old and new.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:49] Adam: But they’re new to us tonight.
[0:02:49 – 0:02:50] Adam: The 100 series.
[0:02:50 – 0:02:51] Adam: The big book.
[0:02:51 – 0:02:51] Adam: Oh, boy.
[0:02:53 – 0:02:53] Adam: Oh, boy.
[0:02:53 – 0:02:58] Adam: Yeah, we’re talking about one of our favorite lakes, I would say, Rose.
[0:03:00 – 0:03:02] Adam: And then Arrow, which is also a butte.
[0:03:03 – 0:03:03] Erik: Mega.
[0:03:03 – 0:03:03] Erik: Mega.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:06] Adam: And we’re definitely not talking about Remix.
[0:03:07 – 0:03:07] Adam: No.
[0:03:07 – 0:03:10] Adam: We also might talk about a little bit at the end, Baker.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:11] Erik: Baker.
[0:03:11 – 0:03:17] Adam: It’s all based on a thread on the subreddit that a friend of the show brought up.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:30] Adam: This is our good friend Grand Marie North posted this, and it got me thinking, and then it just ended up to the point where it’s going to be the main topic of tonight’s show, I think.
[0:03:31 – 0:03:35] Adam: Rose, Arrow, and maybe Baker, and definitely not Remix.
[0:03:36 – 0:03:37] Adam: But we’ll see.
[0:03:38 – 0:03:39] Adam: Maybe a little shakaka.
[0:03:40 – 0:03:41] Adam: We got the old maps out.
[0:03:41 – 0:03:44] Adam: So it’s always a fun one when you get the old maps out.
[0:03:44 – 0:03:47] Adam: I got to go out to the shed early tonight and dig around in the map bin.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:50] Adam: And we got a couple gem maps for you.
[0:03:51 – 0:03:53] Adam: So got that.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:54] Adam: Looking forward to it.
[0:03:57 – 0:04:05] Adam: I wanted to ask you, though, remember how we applied for the pass to get on that big boat for the big prize?
[0:04:06 – 0:04:07] Erik: Oh, God, yeah.
[0:04:07 – 0:04:08] Erik: Did we not win that?
[0:04:09 – 0:04:09] Adam: I don’t think I actually.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:11] Adam: Before we get there, you know.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:13] Erik: I don’t think I actually ever did put our names in for that.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:16] Adam: What?
[0:04:16 – 0:04:17] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:04:18 – 0:04:20] Adam: This whole time I was really hopeful.
[0:04:20 – 0:04:21] Erik: You’ve been holding your breath for a year?
[0:04:21 – 0:04:21] Erik: I was.
[0:04:21 – 0:04:22] Adam: I was waiting.
[0:04:22 – 0:04:23] Adam: I checked the mailbox every day.
[0:04:24 – 0:04:28] Erik: Yeah, sorry, we’re not going to get a ride on the sex trafficking boat.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:30] Adam: Is that what it was called?
[0:04:31 – 0:04:33] Adam: I thought it was the William A. Irving.
[0:04:33 – 0:04:34] Adam: Not in so many words.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:41] Adam: All right, well, got ourselves a show sponsor.
[0:04:41 – 0:04:42] Erik: Welcome to the table.
[0:04:43 – 0:04:46] Adam: This one’s from a dear friend of the show, Barb’s Bannock.
[0:04:47 – 0:04:49] Adam: The original Bannock, I might add.
[0:04:49 – 0:04:50] Adam: Oh, gee.
[0:04:50 – 0:04:52] Adam: Is there a knockoff out there somewhere?
[0:04:52 – 0:04:57] Adam: Apparently, there’s a couple of different Bannocks out there in the community, and that’s totally cool.
[0:04:57 – 0:05:00] Adam: The more Bannocks, the better, as I’ve always said.
[0:05:00 – 0:05:04] Adam: But Barb’s Bannock’s been the original Bannock on Tumble Home for a long time.
[0:05:05 – 0:05:13] Adam: And dropped this one off in person at the co-op back in June after hiking the Boosk.
[0:05:14 – 0:05:40] Adam: You know I’m going to screw this up Eric I can’t do these kinds It’s the Pukasqua trail Nailed it I think I nailed it North shore of the big lake It’s up north of Tundra Bay Way north of there Way north of there In the caribou country I had to take a boat shuttle down the lake And then hike it back Get ourselves We have a note here Hold on
[0:05:43 – 0:05:45] Adam: This is a Chipotle napkin.
[0:05:45 – 0:05:47] Adam: Oh, it’s on a Tim Hortons napkin.
[0:05:47 – 0:05:48] Adam: Oh, so clearly.
[0:05:48 – 0:05:48] Adam: This is beauty.
[0:05:49 – 0:05:52] Erik: Clearly the entrance into Canada has been made.
[0:05:52 – 0:05:53] Erik: There’s proof right there.
[0:05:54 – 0:05:54] Adam: There you go.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:58] Adam: Signed by Barb Spanek, a Tim Hortons napkin.
[0:05:59 – 0:05:59] Erik: Timmy Hortz.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:00] Erik: Timbits.
[0:06:01 – 0:06:02] Erik: Get your Timbits.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:05] Adam: All right, we got two different ones for you here tonight.
[0:06:06 – 0:06:07] Erik: That’s a pretty can.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:10] Adam: Whitewater Brewing Company North Meets South Nordic Pale Ale.
[0:06:11 – 0:06:12] Erik: Is that from Thunder Bay?
[0:06:14 – 0:06:16] Erik: I see Ontario on the other one there.
[0:06:17 – 0:06:19] Adam: Forrester Falls, Ontario.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:20] Adam: Ontario, nonetheless.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:27] Adam: Then we got ourselves a Lone Pine West Coast IPA from Sawdust City Brewing Company.
[0:06:27 – 0:06:29] Adam: This one says it’s strong beer.
[0:06:30 – 0:06:32] Adam: It’s got a really nice pine tree on there.
[0:06:32 – 0:06:33] Erik: It is nice.
[0:06:33 – 0:06:37] Erik: They have to in Canada say if it’s over 2% alcohol, it counts as strong beer.
[0:06:37 – 0:06:39] Adam: This is Gravenhurst, Ontario.
[0:06:40 – 0:06:41] Adam: Gravenhurst?
[0:06:41 – 0:06:43] Adam: Sawdust City Brewing Company.
[0:06:43 – 0:06:44] Adam: Jesus.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:45] Adam: Oh, my gosh.
[0:06:45 – 0:06:46] Adam: These look like real buttes.
[0:06:46 – 0:06:47] Erik: Yeah, 4.6.
[0:06:47 – 0:06:50] Adam: I believe these are direct from the LCBO.
[0:06:51 – 0:06:52] Erik: Probably, yeah.
[0:06:52 – 0:06:57] Adam: Anybody out there who’s been to an LCBO knows they’re pretty classy places, just like a Tim Hortons.
[0:06:58 – 0:06:59] Adam: Thank you, Barb’s Bannock.
[0:06:59 – 0:07:00] Adam: I’m pretty excited for these.
[0:07:01 – 0:07:02] Erik: That’s legit.
[0:07:02 – 0:07:05] Adam: That’s a strong beer there.
[0:07:05 – 0:07:08] Adam: These are both very strong artworks on a can.
[0:07:08 – 0:07:10] Adam: Which would you say would you prefer?
[0:07:10 – 0:07:13] Adam: Because I like them both a lot, and they’re very different.
[0:07:13 – 0:07:13] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:38] Erik: yeah i think i’d like here the black and northern lights one there yeah it’s hard to vote against northern lights and these are done really well i would say with the reflection like that um pretty sweet pretty sweet deal here pretty sweet deal yeah that’s a great reflection north meets south let’s pop it open starting with the uh the regular beer not the strong beer
[0:07:40 – 0:07:44] Adam: I’d say as far as Vindley artwork, this is some of the finest Vindley artwork I’ve ever seen.
[0:07:45 – 0:07:45] Adam: Top notch.
[0:07:45 – 0:07:47] Adam: Top notch.
[0:07:47 – 0:07:49] Adam: This is North Meets South Nordic Pale Ale.
[0:07:51 – 0:07:59] Adam: Let’s give her a taste.
[0:07:59 – 0:08:01] Adam: Maybe Canada’s getting it together, Eric.
[0:08:01 – 0:08:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:02 – 0:08:03] Adam: They might be getting it together.
[0:08:03 – 0:08:04] Adam: They might be getting it together.
[0:08:05 – 0:08:05] Erik: 20 IBU.
[0:08:05 – 0:08:08] Erik: That is kind of surprising for a pale ale.
[0:08:08 – 0:08:11] Erik: Seems a little low on those international bittering units.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:13] Adam: It does, but it’s got a lot of vigor to it.
[0:08:13 – 0:08:14] Adam: Vigor.
[0:08:14 – 0:08:15] Adam: This one’s got the vigor.
[0:08:15 – 0:08:15] Adam: Okay.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:16] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:16] Adam: All right.
[0:08:17 – 0:08:21] Adam: I’m going to give it a 10 poo casquoise.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:22] Adam: Nailed it.
[0:08:23 – 0:08:25] Erik: You know about this trail at all?
[0:08:25 – 0:08:25] Erik: It’s a long trail?
[0:08:25 – 0:08:27] Adam: I have no idea about this trail.
[0:08:27 – 0:08:28] Adam: I had to look it up for sure.
[0:08:28 – 0:08:30] Erik: I think there’s a boat aspect of it, though.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:31] Erik: There was.
[0:08:31 – 0:08:37] Adam: They had to take a boat all the way down and hike it back or vice versa.
[0:08:37 – 0:08:39] Adam: I’m pretty sure they took the boat in and then hiked back.
[0:08:40 – 0:08:41] Erik: I bet my life on it.
[0:08:41 – 0:08:42] Erik: National Park?
[0:08:43 – 0:08:43] Erik: It is, yeah.
[0:08:43 – 0:08:46] Adam: It was pretty intense.
[0:08:47 – 0:08:53] Adam: And Boris Banik is like a marathon trail runner kite kind of athlete, you know?
[0:08:53 – 0:08:59] Adam: So this was an intense like training session from what I gathered and I looked it up and it looks insane.
[0:08:59 – 0:08:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:09:00 – 0:09:02] Adam: It’s like, uh, random like hiking.
[0:09:02 – 0:09:03] Adam: Well, some of it is.
[0:09:03 – 0:09:04] Adam: Yeah, for sure.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:11] Adam: It looked like a superior hiking trail, like with a little bit more, you know, but more so.
[0:09:11 – 0:09:11] Erik: Hmm.
[0:09:12 – 0:09:14] Erik: Actually, uh, enjoyable.
[0:09:14 – 0:09:42] Adam: maybe well i don’t know about that i mean it’s a hiking trip if you want to enjoy a camping trip get a boat involved i mean yeah you know what’s one thing to take a shuttle but then you’re gonna hike all the way back i mean come on yeah put a little paddling in there there’s probably like a kayak route through there too i imagine that’s why i want to go to isle royale sometime and do the canoe route on isle royale like everybody goes isle royale and hikes around a bunch of bozos but there is paddling to be had out there
[0:09:43 – 0:09:44] Erik: Island on an island.
[0:09:44 – 0:09:44] Erik: That’s right.
[0:09:44 – 0:09:45] Erik: On an island.
[0:09:46 – 0:09:50] Erik: And if you count Earth as an island, it’s one more layer.
[0:09:50 – 0:09:51] Adam: That’s one big island.
[0:09:51 – 0:09:51] Adam: Biggins.
[0:09:52 – 0:09:55] Adam: You hear the James Webb detected life on a distant planet?
[0:09:55 – 0:09:58] Erik: No, I just saw that they charged some guy for Tupac’s murder, though.
[0:09:58 – 0:09:59] Adam: What?
[0:10:00 – 0:10:04] Adam: Well, shelve the James Webb telescope talk.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:04] Adam: Tell me more.
[0:10:05 – 0:10:06] Erik: I just saw the headline.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:09] Erik: I didn’t read into it any more than that because I don’t really care that much.
[0:10:09 – 0:10:11] Erik: It’s just kind of a shocking headline.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:12] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:14] Erik: It’s not like I’m going to recognize the guy’s name.
[0:10:14 – 0:10:15] Erik: It’s just going to be, oh, this guy.
[0:10:15 – 0:10:17] Erik: They apparently connected.
[0:10:17 – 0:10:18] Erik: It’s like a 30-year-old murder.
[0:10:18 – 0:10:20] Erik: They can’t do anything, can they?
[0:10:20 – 0:10:21] Adam: It’s probably a lizard person.
[0:10:21 – 0:10:22] Adam: Statute?
[0:10:22 – 0:10:25] Adam: The statute on that one I don’t think ever runs out on Tupac, though.
[0:10:26 – 0:10:27] Erik: Specifically Tupac or murder?
[0:10:28 – 0:10:30] Adam: They changed the law in the state.
[0:10:30 – 0:10:30] Adam: For Tupac?
[0:10:30 – 0:10:31] Adam: Specifically, yeah.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:32] Adam: Okay.
[0:10:32 – 0:10:33] Adam: That’s what I heard at least.
[0:10:33 – 0:10:34] Erik: In Nevada?
[0:10:36 – 0:10:36] Erik: Nevada?
[0:10:37 – 0:10:37] Adam: Nevada.
[0:10:37 – 0:10:37] Adam: Nevada.
[0:10:37 – 0:10:38] Erik: Nevada.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:43] Adam: Did you do any Firewise activities this week?
[0:10:43 – 0:10:46] Erik: Yeah, that’s all I did this week was clear out my zones.
[0:10:46 – 0:10:47] Adam: Getting busy lemon?
[0:10:47 – 0:10:47] Erik: Yep.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:48] Adam: There’s no crowns.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:50] Adam: Get busy lemon, Eric.
[0:10:50 – 0:10:51] Adam: Get busy dying.
[0:10:51 – 0:10:54] Erik: Get busy lemon or get busy watching your house burn down?
[0:10:54 – 0:10:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:10:55 – 0:10:56] Erik: It’s sad.
[0:10:56 – 0:10:57] Erik: Yeah, that’s the thing as well.
[0:10:57 – 0:11:03] Adam: Can you imagine if you watch your house burn down and then you’re like, man, I could have been more Firewise though and I just never got to it.
[0:11:04 – 0:11:05] Erik: Yeah, we should make a PSA.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:08] Adam: Get lemon for Tupac.
[0:11:10 – 0:11:12] Adam: We’ll holographic Tupac him in.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:20] Adam: There’s probably some lyrics from a Tupac song we can get on a chip tune.
[0:11:20 – 0:11:23] Adam: And then about how important it is to be firewise.
[0:11:25 – 0:11:27] Adam: Six feet taller, limb him up.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:32] Erik: Yeah, I think that one is one of his more famous lyrics, if I remember correctly.
[0:11:33 – 0:11:34] Adam: Pretty hot.
[0:11:34 – 0:11:37] Adam: I did do a fact check for us on cicadas.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:39] Adam: We talked about cicadas last week.
[0:11:39 – 0:11:40] Erik: Okay.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:44] Adam: We’re suggesting it could be upwards of a 50-year cycle in which they erupt from the dirt.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:47] Erik: Not so much in the Midwest.
[0:11:47 – 0:11:48] Erik: Isn’t it more of an East Coast issue?
[0:11:49 – 0:11:50] Adam: Actually, there’s two different kinds.
[0:11:51 – 0:11:54] Adam: The northern cicada is a 17-year cycle.
[0:11:54 – 0:11:54] Adam: Wow.
[0:11:55 – 0:11:57] Adam: And the southern cicada, 13 years.
[0:11:58 – 0:11:58] Adam: Not too shabby.
[0:11:59 – 0:12:04] Erik: So we should have experienced the southern one if they are around, which I don’t imagine they are.
[0:12:04 – 0:12:04] Adam: They’re not.
[0:12:04 – 0:12:06] Adam: It could maybe be.
[0:12:06 – 0:12:06] Adam: Too cold.
[0:12:07 – 0:12:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:12:08 – 0:12:08] Erik: Maybe.
[0:12:08 – 0:12:09] Erik: Yeah.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:11] Erik: I don’t think I’ve been up here 17 years yet.
[0:12:11 – 0:12:12] Erik: It’s closing in on that.
[0:12:12 – 0:12:19] Erik: So it must be closing in on a cicada cycle because I don’t remember any massive infestation of clickers out there in the woods.
[0:12:19 – 0:12:20] Adam: I never heard them.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:21] Adam: You know, they’re out there.
[0:12:21 – 0:12:22] Adam: I was sleeping, I guess.
[0:12:23 – 0:12:24] Erik: Yeah, I guess.
[0:12:24 – 0:12:24] Erik: Maybe.
[0:12:24 – 0:12:29] Erik: I mean, they’re around, but they just come out in like crazy numbers every 17 years.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:29] Erik: Is that the thinking?
[0:12:30 – 0:12:31] Adam: Down south, yeah.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:31] Adam: Yeah?
[0:12:32 – 0:12:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:37] Adam: You know, my luck, they’ll come out during the eclipse or whatever in April.
[0:12:38 – 0:12:39] Adam: Down there in the south.
[0:12:40 – 0:12:40] Erik: Yeah?
[0:12:40 – 0:12:41] Adam: The souths.
[0:12:43 – 0:12:46] Adam: They should drop the the on south, like public.
[0:12:47 – 0:12:48] Adam: I’m going south.
[0:12:48 – 0:12:48] Adam: We got souths.
[0:12:48 – 0:12:49] Adam: We’re going south.
[0:12:50 – 0:12:52] Erik: What about the James Webb telescope?
[0:12:52 – 0:12:52] Erik: What did it find?
[0:12:54 – 0:13:03] Adam: Particles of matter that suggested life forms and or liquid ocean and or both.
[0:13:04 – 0:13:05] Erik: Does any of that matter?
[0:13:06 – 0:13:06] Adam: Maybe.
[0:13:06 – 0:13:07] Adam: What does it matter?
[0:13:07 – 0:13:09] Adam: It would be nice to say hi.
[0:13:10 – 0:13:11] Erik: Just to know?
[0:13:11 – 0:13:11] Erik: No.
[0:13:11 – 0:13:13] Adam: Yeah, like it’s too far that we could ever reach.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:17] Erik: I was going to say, it’s just all we’re seeing.
[0:13:17 – 0:13:19] Erik: We’re only ever going to be able to see these things, right?
[0:13:20 – 0:13:22] Erik: And even then, who knows?
[0:13:22 – 0:13:25] Erik: Maybe that planet or whatever we’re seeing isn’t even there anymore.
[0:13:25 – 0:13:26] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:28] Adam: So far away, you can’t really be sure.
[0:13:29 – 0:13:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:30 – 0:13:31] Adam: That’s a freaky thing.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:33] Erik: Yeah, no, it’s kind of wild.
[0:13:33 – 0:13:37] Adam: It’s so far away that where we’re seeing might not even be there anymore.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:40] Adam: Because of time and space.
[0:13:41 – 0:13:43] Erik: Yeah, and how long it takes for light to get here.
[0:13:45 – 0:13:46] Adam: Yeah, light should be faster.
[0:13:46 – 0:13:48] Erik: Light really should be faster.
[0:13:48 – 0:13:48] Erik: Get it together.
[0:13:48 – 0:13:52] Erik: We should be able to harness it so that we can go that fast.
[0:13:52 – 0:13:58] Erik: But even then, even if you could go the speed of light, it would take years to get there.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:03] Erik: Hundreds of thousands of years to get to some of these places.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:05] Adam: Just think if you had to paddle out there.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:13] Adam: It would take at least 17 years to paddle all the way out there.
[0:14:15 – 0:14:19] Erik: Yeah, I think I was reading, uh, there’s a what if book, uh, Randall Monroe.
[0:14:19 – 0:14:22] Erik: He’s a, uh, XKCD, I think online.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:27] Erik: He’s got these books about like crazy questions that he actually tries answering scientifically.
[0:14:27 – 0:14:36] Erik: And one of them that I remember from the last one was how long it would take for you to ride down on a fireman’s pole from the moon to earth.
[0:14:37 – 0:14:39] Erik: And it would take a couple of years.
[0:14:40 – 0:14:40] Adam: At least.
[0:14:40 – 0:14:44] Erik: Because the beginning part, you’d be pulling back towards the moon.
[0:14:45 – 0:14:46] Erik: And so you’d basically just be like hand.
[0:14:46 – 0:14:47] Erik: Inching down.
[0:14:47 – 0:14:51] Erik: Inching towards the earth because gravity would be pulling you towards the moon.
[0:14:51 – 0:14:54] Erik: Until you got to the L1 Lagrange point.
[0:14:54 – 0:14:58] Erik: And then you would kind of really pick up some speed and then start heading towards earth.
[0:14:58 – 0:15:01] Erik: And then you’d be in real trouble when, you know, you got to the atmosphere and everything.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:03] Adam: Yeah, then your thighs would probably get pretty hot.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:05] Adam: Your hands might get a little toasty.
[0:15:05 – 0:15:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:07 – 0:15:13] Adam: I’m pretty proud that this is not the first time Tumblehome has mentioned the Lagrange point.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:14] Adam: Point?
[0:15:15 – 0:15:15] Adam: Point.
[0:15:15 – 0:15:16] Erik: Lagrange points.
[0:15:17 – 0:15:19] Adam: Hey, Brule, take it easy.
[0:15:19 – 0:15:20] Adam: Brule’s rules.
[0:15:20 – 0:15:22] Adam: We’re going to the Lagrange points.
[0:15:23 – 0:15:26] Erik: All right.
[0:15:27 – 0:15:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:28 – 0:15:31] Adam: How far do you have to get from the moon until you start sliding the other way, though?
[0:15:31 – 0:15:33] Adam: I’ve heard the moon is hollow.
[0:15:33 – 0:15:33] Adam: Is that true?
[0:15:34 – 0:15:52] Erik: i don’t think there’s any science that suggests that the moon’s pretty weird though i’ve heard yeah that is true it’s not halfway it’s like uh it’s a little like under a third i think from the moon where the gravity switching isn’t it it’s really too big let’s be honest yeah it is
[0:15:53 – 0:15:57] Erik: I don’t know when else were we talking about Lagrange points, but I do remember we talked about that.
[0:15:57 – 0:15:57] Adam: Lighthouses.
[0:15:58 – 0:15:58] Erik: Was it?
[0:15:58 – 0:16:03] Adam: Yeah, we were talking about setting up like fueling stations in the solar system.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:04] Adam: Exactly, yeah.
[0:16:04 – 0:16:07] Erik: I think it was like a Neil deGrasse Tyson book I was reading at the time.
[0:16:09 – 0:16:10] Erik: That sounds right.
[0:16:10 – 0:16:11] Erik: Yeah, sounds about right.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:20] Adam: All right, I want to read the original post, Eric, if that’s okay with you, from our good friend, Grand Marie North.
[0:16:20 – 0:16:21] Adam: Let me pull it up.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:23] Adam: Oh, gosh.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:24] Adam: Where is it?
[0:16:26 – 0:16:27] Adam: Help, Eric.
[0:16:27 – 0:16:29] Adam: You’re going to have to stall for me while I look for this.
[0:16:30 – 0:16:31] Adam: Oh, Jesus Lord.
[0:16:33 – 0:16:34] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:16:35 – 0:16:36] Erik: Leaves are past peak.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:38] Erik: Everybody can just go home.
[0:16:38 – 0:16:39] Erik: Stay away.
[0:16:39 – 0:16:39] Adam: It’s true.
[0:16:40 – 0:16:41] Adam: The leaves are way past peak.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:42] Erik: The trees are bare.
[0:16:42 – 0:16:43] Erik: It’s gray.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:45] Erik: I think it’s supposed to snow tomorrow.
[0:16:46 – 0:16:49] Erik: Unless you’ve got snow tires, might as well just stay south of Duluth, please.
[0:16:51 – 0:16:56] Adam: All right, well, we may as well check the demon in the microphone so I can find the actual thing I’m looking for.
[0:16:56 – 0:16:57] Erik: We didn’t check at all last week.
[0:16:57 – 0:16:59] Adam: Yeah, we got away with one there.
[0:16:59 – 0:17:00] Erik: We really rolled the dice.
[0:17:02 – 0:17:02] Erik: No demons.
[0:17:03 – 0:17:07] Adam: 11 days ago from dear friend of the show, Grand Marais North.
[0:17:09 – 0:17:10] Adam: Rose Arrow.
[0:17:10 – 0:17:14] Adam: I have paddled Rose several times, but I have never tried to paddle into Arrow.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:16] Adam: A few questions for the group.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:17] Adam: 1.
[0:17:18 – 0:17:24] Adam: Assuming I get a remote border crossing, is that all I need to enter Canada from the US side of Rose?
[0:17:24 – 0:17:24] Adam: 2.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:44] Adam: what are camping sites like on the canadian side of rose three is it possible to day trip to arrow from rose what is the arrow river like to paddle for what is the fishing like an arrow thank you that’s the post big water big water big fish
[0:17:45 – 0:17:46] Adam: In theory.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:49] Adam: I’ve never heard of anybody that’s ever caught a fish on an arrow.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:52] Adam: I don’t know if we’ve ever tried to fish on an arrow.
[0:17:52 – 0:17:53] Adam: I don’t think we have.
[0:17:53 – 0:17:55] Adam: I’ve seen fish guts on the Black Beach.
[0:17:56 – 0:17:57] Adam: Yeah, there’s a lot of fish in Arrow.
[0:17:58 – 0:18:00] Erik: I’m sure there are massive fish.
[0:18:00 – 0:18:03] Adam: If there’s fish guts on the Black Beach, then there’s plenty of fish to be had.
[0:18:04 – 0:18:06] Adam: And it’s huge, so obviously it has fish.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:27] Erik: my god it’s like 10 times the size of just rose and rose is a pretty substantial size and it’s connected pretty directly to rose yes like really rose is just little arrow the tail yeah little tail bottom tail of arrow my god that’s why rant it made more sense that rant is the tail
[0:18:29 – 0:18:32] Adam: and then Rose is the little guy, and then Arrow’s the big one.
[0:18:32 – 0:18:33] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:18:33 – 0:18:39] Erik: Rat is just the waiting to fester appendix of the whole system.
[0:18:39 – 0:18:42] Adam: Yeah, Rat should never have been involved in this conversation.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:47] Erik: Yeah, you got to C-section that whole rat lake out of there.
[0:18:48 – 0:18:49] Adam: Rat’s more of a long river.
[0:18:50 – 0:19:18] Erik: basically it is just like the tail end of that tail that rat tail of rose which is just that muck bottom we’ve talked about in the past there’s like no fishing in there just crawdads and bottomless so we got the we got the big map in here and uh it’s showing what we’re talking about we’ve zoomed in for tonight’s episode yeah based on the question from reddit three different levels we got the big map we got the medium map and then we got the actual fisher
[0:19:19 – 0:19:21] Adam: I got another map on top of that, too.
[0:19:21 – 0:19:30] Adam: Let’s run down the maps for Rose, Arrow, Baker, and possibly Remix, which is a mythical village that may or may not exist.
[0:19:30 – 0:19:31] Erik: Nobody’s ever really heard of it.
[0:19:31 – 0:19:34] Adam: I’ve never heard of it, but it’s been to Remix.
[0:19:34 – 0:19:38] Adam: If you have, hit us up on the Instagram picture app in the DMs.
[0:19:38 – 0:19:44] Erik: Yeah, people have seen it listed on maps and heard it on the weather radio, but nobody’s ever been.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:48] Adam: Yeah, we used it for our small change team name for years.
[0:19:48 – 0:19:49] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:19:49 – 0:19:50] Erik: Nobody’s ever been there.
[0:19:50 – 0:19:53] Adam: I got a couple different maps we’re looking at, though.
[0:19:53 – 0:19:54] Adam: The W.A.
[0:19:54 – 0:19:56] Adam: Fisher 1952 110 map.
[0:19:57 – 0:20:00] Adam: It’s a number 110 for you scoring at home.
[0:20:00 – 0:20:01] Adam: That’s our main map tonight.
[0:20:01 – 0:20:04] Adam: And we got that thing propped up here in front of the big map.
[0:20:04 – 0:20:12] Adam: And that shows everything from Rose and North and Rat over to… Shabandawan.
[0:20:12 – 0:20:13] Adam: Well, it’s past Shibanda one.
[0:20:14 – 0:20:15] Adam: They’re crying out loud.
[0:20:15 – 0:20:16] Adam: It’s up to Marks and Twist up there.
[0:20:17 – 0:20:18] Erik: It’s almost to Thunder Bay.
[0:20:18 – 0:20:20] Adam: Yeah, it’s almost to Thunder Bay, for real.
[0:20:20 – 0:20:22] Adam: There isn’t another one to the east, is there?
[0:20:22 – 0:20:29] Adam: It also shows Whitefish, which is the other big one, and the Northern Lake Road, and the old abandoned railroad.
[0:20:29 – 0:20:33] Erik: Which apparently whitefish is like a really shallow, good duck hunting lake.
[0:20:34 – 0:20:35] Erik: Oh, oh no.
[0:20:36 – 0:20:37] Erik: There’s a resort up there.
[0:20:37 – 0:20:38] Adam: Oh no.
[0:20:38 – 0:20:43] Adam: Sandstone and marks and what’s that say?
[0:20:44 – 0:20:45] Erik: I’m not going to try and read that.
[0:20:45 – 0:20:46] Erik: Are you crazy?
[0:20:46 – 0:20:48] Erik: I tried to trick him into reading it.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:48] Erik: He wouldn’t do it.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:49] Adam: Get canceled?
[0:20:49 – 0:20:50] Adam: He wouldn’t fall for it.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:51] Erik: I’ll try reading that.
[0:20:51 – 0:20:54] Adam: But yeah, Arrow is kind of the central feature on this one.
[0:20:55 – 0:21:01] Adam: And the old 110 map is A Butte, published first in 1952 by W.A.
[0:21:02 – 0:21:02] Adam: Fisher.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:05] Adam: And I highly recommend it.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:05] Adam: It’s great.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:08] Adam: It does show portages, but not in the usual way.
[0:21:08 – 0:21:10] Adam: They’re just sort of like listed and implied.
[0:21:12 – 0:21:14] Adam: The railroad is more prominent on this map.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:21] Adam: We also have the WA Fisher, of course, 1983 original F-13 propped up here.
[0:21:22 – 0:21:34] Adam: And this is the one that actually put all the gears into motion on trying to get to Baker Lake back in the day because of the false portage that’s listed there from Rose, which is listed as a
[0:21:37 – 0:21:38] Erik: It has rods.
[0:21:38 – 0:21:39] Adam: A 400 rod.
[0:21:39 – 0:21:40] Adam: Yeah, that’s lies.
[0:21:41 – 0:21:41] Adam: Pure lies.
[0:21:42 – 0:21:47] Adam: They got a 400 rod portage, and they do list the two campsites on rows, which is nice.
[0:21:47 – 0:21:48] Adam: Those exist.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:49] Adam: And those are real.
[0:21:49 – 0:21:49] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:21:49 – 0:21:51] Adam: Which makes you think that the portage would be there.
[0:21:52 – 0:21:52] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:56] Adam: Which has started our whole idea to like, we got to get to Baker.
[0:21:57 – 0:21:59] Adam: What’s this 400 rod portage up there doing?
[0:22:00 – 0:22:05] Erik: Yeah, I remember we tried going up and looking for it when we had to work on that day, or somebody did, and we were like,
[0:22:06 – 0:22:08] Adam: We just had like an afternoon free.
[0:22:08 – 0:22:11] Adam: Yeah, I was like, well… We both had to work, I think, the next day.
[0:22:11 – 0:22:13] Adam: And we’re like, let’s just go up there for the afternoon and poke around.
[0:22:14 – 0:22:16] Erik: Yeah, but we were like, well, I guess we can’t find it.
[0:22:16 – 0:22:17] Erik: We have to get back.
[0:22:17 – 0:22:19] Erik: So we didn’t even incorporate an overnight trip.
[0:22:19 – 0:22:20] Erik: We just like paddled.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:22] Adam: I think we did stay the night.
[0:22:22 – 0:22:23] Adam: Did we?
[0:22:23 – 0:22:25] Adam: I think we stayed the night and like paddled it out in the morning.
[0:22:25 – 0:22:29] Erik: I think we got out that night before and then looked for it in the morning.
[0:22:29 – 0:22:32] Erik: But we had to get back that day for like an afternoon shift or something.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:33] Adam: That sounds right.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:35] Adam: We definitely stayed the night on that site.
[0:22:36 – 0:22:37] Adam: Which site do you think?
[0:22:37 – 0:22:39] Adam: We were on the right one right by the portage.
[0:22:39 – 0:22:42] Adam: The one with the toilet seat nailed to the log.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:45] Erik: I’ve stayed at the other one too on my very first trip ever.
[0:22:46 – 0:22:47] Adam: Oh, we stopped in there, too, at one point.
[0:22:48 – 0:22:50] Adam: I’ve for sure been in both those campsites.
[0:22:50 – 0:22:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:51 – 0:22:51] Adam: Legally.
[0:22:51 – 0:22:53] Adam: Totally legally, by the way.
[0:22:53 – 0:22:54] Erik: You go back and look at our paperwork.
[0:22:54 – 0:22:55] Erik: It’s all in the record books.
[0:22:56 – 0:22:56] Erik: Absolutely.
[0:22:56 – 0:22:57] Adam: The queen knows.
[0:22:58 – 0:22:58] Adam: Lockbox in her bed.
[0:22:58 – 0:23:00] Adam: The queen’s dead now, but she did know.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:01] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:02] Adam: She’s passed on.
[0:23:02 – 0:23:06] Adam: We only are talking about this, honestly, because the queen finally died.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:06] Adam: Finally.
[0:23:07 – 0:23:08] Adam: Otherwise, we wouldn’t have been able to.
[0:23:08 – 0:23:10] Adam: We’ve been holding this story for a long time.
[0:23:10 – 0:23:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:11 – 0:23:14] Adam: And just fit into the sequence just now.
[0:23:14 – 0:23:38] Adam: yeah talk about statute of limitations i know in the clear that’s how the royal permission works you know that’s how the crown land permits we always jokingly call them the queensland permit or maybe that was just i’m maybe i just misremembered it but it’s the crown land permit is what you need to technically camp out there on the north side of rose or in theory out on arrow or baker
[0:23:39 – 0:23:39] Erik: Yeah, or Baker.
[0:23:40 – 0:23:44] Adam: It’s all part of La Varendre Provincial Park, which is what you’re going to be in.
[0:23:44 – 0:23:47] Adam: It’s not affiliated with Quetico in any way.
[0:23:47 – 0:23:49] Adam: It’s just Canada.
[0:23:49 – 0:23:51] Erik: I don’t think Baker’s in La Varendre.
[0:23:51 – 0:23:55] Adam: I guess when I first moved up here, I always thought that La Varendre was Quetico.
[0:23:56 – 0:24:06] Adam: I was led to believe that anything in Canada is Quetico, like how you sometimes associate a brand name with a whole product line.
[0:24:06 – 0:24:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:08] Adam: It was like that.
[0:24:08 – 0:24:09] Adam: Everything up there is Quetico.
[0:24:10 – 0:24:10] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:24:11 – 0:24:14] Adam: It’s beyond my comprehension as a 19-year-old.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:21] Adam: And then I only later realized that Quetico is a specific little part of the big Shield Lake area.
[0:24:22 – 0:24:24] Adam: And then there’s all this other stuff up there.
[0:24:25 – 0:24:26] Adam: It’s just regular Canada.
[0:24:27 – 0:24:31] Erik: Which is basically still pretty much like Quetico, just not as managed yet.
[0:24:31 – 0:24:34] Adam: Yeah, there’s still campsites up there and there’s still routes.
[0:24:34 – 0:24:36] Adam: You know, that’s the thing.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:37] Adam: And it’s kind of neat stuff.
[0:24:38 – 0:24:44] Adam: But you do technically need the Crownland permit, which have you ever gotten one yourself?
[0:24:44 – 0:24:45] Adam: I haven’t.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:45] Adam: No, it’s way too hard.
[0:24:46 – 0:24:47] Adam: It’s impossible to get one.
[0:24:47 – 0:25:09] Erik: no it’s i remember it used to be i imagine maybe it’s different now but i remember it back in the day doing research and it was like you got to go to a bait shop and get one it’s like what yeah yeah but then how to so i have to drive to canada get one and then come back if i want to come across with you know an rabc so you do need the rabc for sure because you will be crossing at an undesignated crossing
[0:25:09 – 0:25:18] Erik: Yeah, you would, regardless of whether or not you get your royal permission with the Crownland permit, you always are going to need an RIBC.
[0:25:18 – 0:25:21] Erik: Like, that’s no matter what you’re doing, even if you’re just crossing for the day.
[0:25:22 – 0:25:23] Adam: So that part was accurate, for sure.
[0:25:24 – 0:25:24] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:25:25 – 0:25:26] Erik: Those are easy enough to get.
[0:25:26 – 0:25:28] Erik: They make those make sense, you know.
[0:25:29 – 0:25:30] Erik: Anybody that’s ever gotten into Quentico.
[0:25:30 – 0:25:33] Adam: Friend of the show, Nash Cato, pointed this out.
[0:25:33 – 0:25:34] Adam: They’re like, yeah, you need the Crownsland.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:38] Adam: And they provided a couple links, which I did follow.
[0:25:38 – 0:25:39] Erik: Yeah, they’re all 404’d.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:43] Adam: Uh, one wasn’t and it costs nine.
[0:25:43 – 0:25:44] Adam: Hold on.
[0:25:44 – 0:25:46] Adam: Oh, I thought I had it here.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:48] Adam: It costs $9 a day, $9 and 47 cents.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:52] Adam: No, $9 and 35 cents a day per person per day.
[0:25:53 – 0:25:56] Adam: Plus the federal harmonized sales tax.
[0:25:56 – 0:26:05] Adam: The permits are available to non-residents through ministry or Ontario government offices and through outside license issuers.
[0:26:05 – 0:26:06] Adam: So yeah, that’s your bait shops.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:08] Erik: Bucks.
[0:26:08 – 0:26:28] Adam: bait shop up there but you gotta go like drive up to thunder bay and then cross um legally at arrow but can you get them so you can get them not online you have to go to i tried all three of the links that were provided by nash cato and none of them allowed for online sales now i’m not saying they’re not available
[0:26:28 – 0:26:54] Adam: i also did say on that thing that i’ve been up there a bunch and my plan was always just be like i thought i was still on rose and try and play dumb or something if they really were going to press you about it but nobody’s up there nobody’s pressing you about it if you have your rabc i think you’re pretty safe and saying like well i was just i was just up here exploring the black beach yeah and looking for a really big lunker lake trout don’t say that though yeah unless you have a fishing license which
[0:26:54 – 0:26:56] Erik: They take more seriously than anything else.
[0:26:56 – 0:27:04] Adam: I think on both our trips, we purposely didn’t fish on Arrow because we didn’t want any foul business or whatever.
[0:27:04 – 0:27:05] Erik: Yeah, I don’t even think we brought fishing gear.
[0:27:06 – 0:27:07] Adam: Well, we did fish Baker, though.
[0:27:07 – 0:27:08] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:27:08 – 0:27:09] Adam: So we must have had it with us.
[0:27:09 – 0:27:10] Erik: We definitely fished Baker pretty hard.
[0:27:10 – 0:27:11] Erik: Illegally.
[0:27:11 – 0:27:14] Erik: No, we had Canadian fishing licenses that year.
[0:27:14 – 0:27:15] Adam: Actually, we did that year, yeah.
[0:27:15 – 0:27:18] Erik: Remember that stupid sportsman’s card that they have?
[0:27:18 – 0:27:19] Erik: The credit card that you get issued?
[0:27:19 – 0:27:22] Adam: No, we were above board on that trip, but it was still like,
[0:27:22 – 0:27:44] Adam: i don’t know we’ve been up there for sure other times where it’s like i’m not even bringing fishing gear arrow is a really sweet spot to get to and uh really baker’s sort of like the funny side quest that we went on yeah but arrow if you’re gonna go to the canadian side of rose you might as well go to arrow you’re in the same legal limbo as you would have been just staying on rose
[0:27:44 – 0:27:48] Erik: Yeah, barring major low water levels, you can pretty much paddle between the two.
[0:27:48 – 0:27:49] Erik: That river through there is sweet.
[0:27:49 – 0:27:54] Adam: Either way, yeah, with the current or against it, it really wasn’t a problem.
[0:27:54 – 0:27:55] Erik: Just come out around a corner.
[0:27:55 – 0:27:56] Erik: It’s pretty flat.
[0:27:56 – 0:27:59] Erik: Massive palisade cliff just immediately right there.
[0:27:59 – 0:28:07] Adam: It’s one of the better exits from a river I’ve ever experienced in a canoe, entering Arrow from Rose on the Arrow River.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:09] Adam: It’s beautiful.
[0:28:09 – 0:28:11] Adam: You are just coming out right underneath the Palisade.
[0:28:12 – 0:28:12] Adam: Yeah, it’s wild.
[0:28:12 – 0:28:17] Adam: And you can see it from Rose, but all of a sudden it’s like you’re just right underneath it.
[0:28:17 – 0:28:19] Adam: It comes out of nowhere, and it does take your breath away.
[0:28:20 – 0:28:20] Erik: Oh yeah.
[0:28:20 – 0:28:22] Erik: That was the first trip I ever took.
[0:28:22 – 0:28:27] Erik: Again, we explored up around there and I just remember being, we didn’t have any idea that that was behind us.
[0:28:28 – 0:28:30] Erik: Came around the corner and it was just like, oh my God.
[0:28:31 – 0:28:34] Erik: Spent the rest of the afternoon just like scrambling around on the rocks.
[0:28:35 – 0:28:38] Erik: And that was definitely some illegal fishing.
[0:28:38 – 0:28:40] Erik: I know we didn’t have our ducks in a row on that trip.
[0:28:41 – 0:28:42] Erik: But we didn’t catch anything.
[0:28:42 – 0:28:46] Adam: The queen never found out about it, so it was actually legal then.
[0:28:47 – 0:28:47] Adam: Didn’t really matter.
[0:28:47 – 0:28:48] Adam: The queen doesn’t know about it.
[0:28:49 – 0:28:51] Adam: I got one more map here that Eric can see.
[0:28:52 – 0:28:59] Adam: It’s the U.S. Department of Interior Geological Hungry Jack Quadrangle 7.5-Minute Series 1959.
[0:28:59 – 0:29:00] Adam: That’s right.
[0:29:01 – 0:29:04] Adam: Which has been hanging here on the tumble shed wall for quite a while.
[0:29:04 – 0:29:07] Adam: It shows no portages from Rose up to Baker.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:32] Adam: or from rose uh or from arrow up to baker and it doesn’t show a whole lot it’s mostly just showing the hills and the lakes yeah it’s a beauty of a map we’ve always had it here and it just happens to like feature the lakes we’re talking about tonight it’s a really nice map yeah it’s just got topo on the american side though right nothing there’s like no details on the canadian side no yeah it’s probably partially why
[0:29:34 – 0:29:46] Erik: Partially why is just because they don’t allow as much information to cross onto American maps, but then also there’s just probably not a portage from Rose to Baker or there hasn’t been in a very long time.
[0:29:48 – 0:29:57] Erik: So the only portage we were able to find is the one coming in from Arrow from the north, which I’m still shocked that we were able to find that.
[0:29:57 – 0:29:57] Adam: You are?
[0:29:57 – 0:29:59] Erik: Yeah, I was like, I don’t know.
[0:29:59 – 0:30:02] Erik: Not that we were able to find it, but that there was actually something there.
[0:30:02 – 0:30:05] Adam: Well, and I didn’t know there was going to be cabins up on Baker.
[0:30:06 – 0:30:09] Adam: Once we saw there’s cabins there, I was like, okay, for sure then.
[0:30:09 – 0:30:26] Adam: that makes sense they have this portage open it looks much shorter on the map yeah i list the rose to baker portage is a 400 rod but it does never list the baker to arrow portage but it looks maybe like it’s 70 times yeah it is pretty straight up but
[0:30:26 – 0:30:28] Adam: And it didn’t really follow a creek or anything.
[0:30:29 – 0:30:30] Adam: It was just like out of this nice little bay.
[0:30:30 – 0:30:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:32] Adam: There’s a pretty clear landing.
[0:30:33 – 0:30:38] Adam: Like as soon as we came around the corner into that bay, I remember seeing it and like, okay, that looks like a serious landing.
[0:30:38 – 0:30:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:39 – 0:30:46] Adam: Pulled in there and there was a pretty decent trail, but it wasn’t, it’s not PMA style, but it wasn’t like maintained that well either.
[0:30:46 – 0:30:48] Adam: Like a lot of people were really using it.
[0:30:48 – 0:30:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:54] Erik: If I could go back, I would love to… Because it crosses that road, that single dirt road track that’s up there.
[0:30:55 – 0:30:59] Erik: I would love to walk that and see if it goes all the way out to the end.
[0:30:59 – 0:31:00] Erik: To the Palisade Head.
[0:31:00 – 0:31:02] Adam: On top of that Palisade, yeah.
[0:31:02 – 0:31:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:02 – 0:31:06] Adam: I think that would be the new thing to try on that trip because there’s a beautiful…
[0:31:06 – 0:31:08] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:31:08 – 0:31:11] Adam: I’d love to know how tall that thing is over the lake because it’s…
[0:31:12 – 0:31:15] Adam: one of the better palisades in all of the North country for sure.
[0:31:15 – 0:31:21] Erik: It shows a road that goes all the way out to the top of that on, uh, when I was on Google maps zooming in.
[0:31:21 – 0:31:22] Adam: Oh yeah.
[0:31:22 – 0:31:23] Adam: Oh, that’s the other map we should mention.
[0:31:24 – 0:31:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:24 – 0:31:25] Adam: If you look at this on Google.
[0:31:25 – 0:31:25] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:26 – 0:31:27] Adam: Cause yeah, it doesn’t show nothing up here.
[0:31:28 – 0:31:28] Adam: It’s just empty.
[0:31:29 – 0:31:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:29 – 0:31:30] Adam: What does it say up here?
[0:31:30 – 0:31:41] Adam: The Canadian portions of this map is based on NTS sheets 52B1 and 52B2, both 1979.
[0:31:41 – 0:31:46] Adam: Her Majesty the Queen, right of Canada, with permission of energy mines and resources.
[0:31:46 – 0:31:47] Erik: Permission.
[0:31:47 – 0:31:49] Erik: Yeah, with royal permission.
[0:31:49 – 0:31:50] Adam: There you go.
[0:31:53 – 0:31:54] Adam: Yeah, it’s a really neat spot.
[0:31:55 – 0:31:58] Adam: And then, so we only hit, like, the, like,
[0:31:59 – 0:32:01] Adam: maybe the one eighth of arrow.
[0:32:01 – 0:32:06] Adam: And I felt like we were paddling a long time to get to that portage, but yeah, yeah.
[0:32:06 – 0:32:09] Adam: We never really left the first part of arrow and there are many.
[0:32:10 – 0:32:15] Erik: Yeah, no, I couldn’t even imagine paddling that whole lake any time of year, even on a nice day.
[0:32:15 – 0:32:18] Adam: All the way down to Remix in the Frog Bonds?
[0:32:18 – 0:32:30] Erik: It’s like, yeah, I mean, that’d be like, what is the, I mean, it’d be like basically doing half the Vento unit if you’re going to do the loop.
[0:32:30 – 0:32:32] Adam: It’s probably a 12-mile lake.
[0:32:32 – 0:32:33] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:32:33 – 0:32:34] Adam: Maybe 15, I don’t know.
[0:32:35 – 0:32:37] Erik: Yeah, it’d be like going from Clearwater to the Fowls.
[0:32:37 – 0:32:38] Erik: Oh, in one lake.
[0:32:38 – 0:32:39] Erik: In one shot.
[0:32:39 – 0:32:40] Adam: It’s the biggest lake up there.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:46] Adam: And it also does flow back down into the Pigeon River eventually on the Arrow River itself.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:54] Adam: People talk about the height of land portage a lot going from South Lake to North Lake, which is nearby.
[0:32:54 – 0:33:02] Adam: But you do sort of go over another height of land from Wattop and Rove on the long portage over to Rose.
[0:33:03 – 0:33:12] Adam: While everything there is still all flowing back to Lake Superior, it flows back completely in a different way when you go over that long portage.
[0:33:13 – 0:33:19] Adam: The Arrow River itself flows all the way up and north and only comes into the Pigeon River at the very end.
[0:33:20 – 0:33:23] Adam: And then everything else from Rove and Mountain…
[0:33:24 – 0:33:25] Adam: Actually, I’m sorry.
[0:33:25 – 0:33:28] Adam: No, like Rove and Wattop flow back into Rose.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:36] Adam: It’s the weird little portage from Wattop to Mountain that is the other weird little sort of height of land.
[0:33:37 – 0:33:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:38 – 0:33:46] Adam: And then Mountain flows back down into the Pigeon the normal way through the Royal River.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:46] Adam: Royale.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:47] Adam: Royale.
[0:33:47 – 0:33:47] Adam: Royale?
[0:33:51 – 0:34:12] Adam: i don’t know i love looking at these maps and just looking at the way the water flows but the big 110 doesn’t really do a great job of showing that uh the fisher does somewhat and then uh as you as you zoom in further and further you’re able to like decipher the flow of water which is how i always end up looking at the maps yeah bay elevation
[0:34:13 – 0:34:22] Adam: How many smallmouth bass do you think that we caught on Baker when we finally bushwhacked our way up into there and basically had to cut through somebody’s old cabin lawn to get to the lake?
[0:34:22 – 0:34:24] Erik: Yeah, there’s a couple of janky cabins up there.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:26] Erik: I don’t know, a couple dozen at least.
[0:34:26 – 0:34:27] Erik: I didn’t see anybody.
[0:34:27 – 0:34:29] Erik: A couple dozen 12-inchers at least.
[0:34:29 – 0:34:31] Adam: Yeah, we probably each caught 24.
[0:34:31 – 0:34:32] Erik: That lake is infested.
[0:34:32 – 0:34:35] Adam: Every cast, smallmouth bass, but they’re all tiny.
[0:34:36 – 0:34:40] Adam: It did feel like you might just run into a huge northern pike at any moment, though.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:40] Adam: Yeah, maybe.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:41 – 0:35:03] Adam: but no way to find that out either that’s part of the allure of going up into the lake you’re kind of it’s on the map but it’s sort of off the map right like you don’t know what you’re gonna really get yourself into when you go north of the border yeah up into the la varendre it’s because it’s sort of like the wild west quetico up there there ain’t nothing but there’s also cabins does that make sense
[0:35:03 – 0:35:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:06] Erik: You never know where you’re going to see a cabin either.
[0:35:06 – 0:35:08] Erik: There’s that one right when you come around the corner on Arrow.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:09] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:13] Erik: You’re in the middle of the Bajau waters on Rose and you come around the corner and there’s a cabin right there.
[0:35:14 – 0:35:17] Erik: Happens in the winter a lot too because you can snowmobile the Canadian side.
[0:35:18 – 0:35:21] Erik: We were out there fishing one time and some snowmobiles just went ripping by on the North Shore.
[0:35:22 – 0:35:41] Adam: well i’ve been on rose and you see motorboats in there like they push a motorboat up that arrow river out of arrow into rose i heard some people that were up there one time that saw jet skis in the north side of rose oh yeah i’ve heard that too i’ve also seen the motorboat like come right up to rose falls too like whatever we’re just gonna park it here quick and take a look
[0:35:41 – 0:35:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:42 – 0:35:46] Erik: So you are, you know, you’re playing with a little bit of border magic up there.
[0:35:46 – 0:35:47] Adam: Border magic.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:48 – 0:35:49] Adam: We’re all friends up there on Rose.
[0:35:50 – 0:35:50] Adam: It’s all good.
[0:35:50 – 0:35:53] Erik: Ripping down the entire length of arrow on a jet ski.
[0:35:53 – 0:35:54] Adam: I would love to.
[0:35:54 – 0:35:55] Adam: Jesus.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:58] Adam: Holy moly.
[0:35:58 – 0:35:59] Erik: Bring an extra tank or two of gas.
[0:35:59 – 0:36:02] Adam: Yeah, you might want to bring a barge of gas with you.
[0:36:02 – 0:36:04] Adam: That’s a long lake.
[0:36:04 – 0:36:07] Adam: I’d love to go down and see what the Narrows is all about.
[0:36:07 – 0:36:09] Adam: It’s a provincial park in its own right.
[0:36:09 – 0:36:10] Erik: Yeah, there’s supposedly a campground in there.
[0:36:10 – 0:36:11] Adam: Separate from La Varendre.
[0:36:12 – 0:36:18] Adam: And on this map, it’s just shown as a maybe road with a tiny red dot at the end of it.
[0:36:19 – 0:36:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:19 – 0:36:19] Adam: Camp.
[0:36:20 – 0:36:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:20 – 0:36:21] Adam: Camp here, public.
[0:36:21 – 0:36:23] Erik: There is a campground, but…
[0:36:23 – 0:36:48] Adam: but yeah i think on the f-13 or no it’s not the f-13 it would be a different fisher but it does show like at actual campground listed there yeah at the narrows f-20 or f-21 the north the right maps north of the vento unit which is like why i love those i know but like why the shibanduan series wa wanted them printed that’s why you know
[0:36:49 – 0:37:05] Adam: marks lake with this huge crazy island you know i don’t know i like these are these are reminding me of the old days where we had these all set up in a grid on the wall yeah you trim off the white edges and try taping them together and then you get like 20 maps in and then it’s like well it doesn’t line up put the
[0:37:05 – 0:37:31] Erik: whole series up here way on all the sides because yeah if you’re not perfect throughout then they’re eventually going to be some uh some edges that don’t line up that was always my uh i did that so many times yes cutting the white strips off putting them down on tables on walls yeah it says right on the top this joins the 106 yeah keeps going north there’s nothing on the bottom the 114 there oh there’s so much though
[0:37:31 – 0:37:33] Erik: But look, you can see it on the big map over there.
[0:37:33 – 0:37:33] Erik: There’s nothing.
[0:37:33 – 0:37:34] Erik: There’s maybe one lake.
[0:37:35 – 0:37:38] Erik: It’s all swampland creeks.
[0:37:38 – 0:37:40] Adam: It goes all the way up to Dog Lake.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:42] Erik: Dog Lake, yeah.
[0:37:42 – 0:37:44] Adam: That’s where the real money is being made.
[0:37:44 – 0:37:46] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:37:46 – 0:37:57] Erik: I don’t know if I would ever find myself too inclined to put a boat on the water on Baker again, but I would try going up and walking that road, seeing if there was a nice overlook on the Palisade there.
[0:37:57 – 0:37:58] Erik: That’d be sick.
[0:37:59 – 0:38:00] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:38:00 – 0:38:01] Adam: I just like the question.
[0:38:02 – 0:38:03] Adam: Anybody else thinking about this?
[0:38:03 – 0:38:06] Adam: And it’s like, okay, so we weren’t the idiots back in the day.
[0:38:07 – 0:38:08] Erik: Yeah, one other person thought of this.
[0:38:08 – 0:38:14] Adam: Somebody else is looking on the map like, that looks like it would be pretty easy to get to Arrow, which was essentially the answer.
[0:38:14 – 0:38:16] Adam: It’s like, it actually is pretty easy.
[0:38:16 – 0:38:17] Erik: Very easy.
[0:38:17 – 0:38:21] Adam: And then, yeah, get your R-A-B-C and go for it.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:22] Adam: You’re probably going to be okay.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:22] Adam: Yep.
[0:38:23 – 0:38:27] Adam: And, yeah, it’s why Arrow the Husky is named Arrow.
[0:38:27 – 0:38:28] Adam: Yeah, that’s for sure.
[0:38:28 – 0:38:30] Adam: Because of Arrow and the Black Peach.
[0:38:30 – 0:38:34] Erik: One little campsite just around the corner from the river there.
[0:38:34 – 0:38:34] Erik: I know.
[0:38:35 – 0:38:36] Adam: And there’s for sure more campsites out there.
[0:38:36 – 0:38:38] Adam: We just never really went that far down it.
[0:38:38 – 0:38:41] Adam: But I think you can make a whole trip of just going to Arrow.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:42] Erik: Oh, God, yeah.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:45] Adam: Someday I’ll have to do a tour to Arrow.
[0:38:45 – 0:38:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:46 – 0:38:47] Erik: I don’t ever want to portage.
[0:38:47 – 0:38:47] Erik: Yeah, go to Arrow.
[0:38:48 – 0:38:49] Adam: Just go to Arrow with a kayak.
[0:38:49 – 0:38:50] Adam: There you’re talking.
[0:38:50 – 0:38:50] Adam: Yeah.
[0:38:51 – 0:38:53] Adam: You got to portage it down the stone steps and then you’re free.
[0:38:54 – 0:39:00] Erik: Or just drive to Canada and drive to Remix and put a boat in the water and then you can just rip down the whole lake and check it out.
[0:39:00 – 0:39:01] Adam: Go to the frog ponds.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:02] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:03 – 0:39:04] Adam: Coming down from Sandstone.
[0:39:06 – 0:39:08] Adam: In Round Table Lake.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:15] Adam: Anybody out there from Remix listens to the show, hit us up, tumblehumcast at gmail.com or tumblehumcast at the Instagram picture app.
[0:39:16 – 0:39:17] Adam: We want to hear your story for real.
[0:39:18 – 0:39:25] Adam: And we did use your name of your town as our trivia team name on small change on at least 15 different occasions.
[0:39:25 – 0:39:31] Adam: And we both apologize and we give you a massive shout out because we love Remix, but we’ve never been there.
[0:39:32 – 0:39:33] Erik: It doesn’t even look like a town.
[0:39:33 – 0:39:37] Erik: I think it’s like a little half RV park slash mobile home resort.
[0:39:38 – 0:39:39] Erik: I don’t know what’s going on there.
[0:39:39 – 0:39:42] Adam: Yeah, it’s kind of like when I was living on Lake Puckaway.
[0:39:42 – 0:39:43] Adam: Yeah, that’s exactly what it’s like.
[0:39:43 – 0:39:46] Adam: It’s not really a town, but there’s a lot of campers.
[0:39:47 – 0:39:47] Adam: Yeah, campers.
[0:39:47 – 0:39:49] Adam: There’s a lot of caravans here.
[0:39:49 – 0:39:50] Adam: Cheap living.
[0:39:50 – 0:39:54] Adam: Yeah, there’s a lot of spongy moth living around here.
[0:39:54 – 0:39:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:39:54 – 0:39:55] Adam: If you know what I mean.
[0:39:55 – 0:39:59] Erik: One of these days we should just drive up there and just actually go investigate.
[0:39:59 – 0:39:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:00 – 0:40:01] Adam: Go to the frog ponds ourself.
[0:40:02 – 0:40:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:40:02 – 0:40:10] Adam: This is really just the setup episode for that episode in a couple years when we actually go set foot in Remix.
[0:40:11 – 0:40:16] Erik: So is that road that’s on the map on the 100 series map, is that the road that ends at…
[0:40:16 – 0:40:17] Adam: I believe it is, yeah.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:19] Adam: It just keeps going that way.
[0:40:19 – 0:40:20] Erik: Is it the railroad?
[0:40:20 – 0:40:20] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:21 – 0:40:22] Adam: No, I think it’s just a road there.
[0:40:23 – 0:40:26] Adam: The old railroad is this chunky line here.
[0:40:26 – 0:40:29] Erik: But does that end out at Northern Light?
[0:40:30 – 0:40:32] Erik: Because I know that there is a resort at Northern Light.
[0:40:32 – 0:40:34] Adam: Yeah, this road does, yes.
[0:40:35 – 0:40:37] Erik: So I’ve been on that road when I was in high school.
[0:40:37 – 0:40:39] Adam: Yeah, this one goes down that way.
[0:40:39 – 0:40:40] Erik: That’s how you get down.
[0:40:40 – 0:40:42] Erik: That’s how you get to Mountain.
[0:40:42 – 0:40:44] Adam: That’s how you get to Arrow.
[0:40:44 – 0:40:46] Adam: Yeah, and that’s how you get to Baker for sure.
[0:40:48 – 0:40:49] Adam: And Remix.
[0:40:49 – 0:40:54] Erik: So the actual, the big black and white line, I believe, is still… That’s a real road, yeah.
[0:40:55 – 0:40:55] Erik: Still there.
[0:40:55 – 0:40:58] Adam: It says it’s called the Northern Light Lake Road.
[0:40:59 – 0:40:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:40:59 – 0:41:02] Adam: State Highway 160-something.
[0:41:03 – 0:41:06] Erik: That’s insane that there’s a road that goes all the way out to Northern Light Lake.
[0:41:06 – 0:41:06] Erik: That’s like…
[0:41:08 – 0:41:29] Adam: such a long ass drive that just ends at again it’s like kind of like a mobile home resort right like a little general store and you can imagine there’s people paid good money to like put that road in not not only to put the road in but to figure out where the road should go yeah like that was a real job back in the day
[0:41:29 – 0:41:35] Erik: It’s got to just be like Thunder Bay people, right, that have like a little summer cabin out on Northern Light.
[0:41:36 – 0:41:38] Adam: Those people.
[0:41:38 – 0:41:41] Adam: Yeah, those Thunder Bay people.
[0:41:41 – 0:41:43] Adam: Yeah, that’s totally who’s got it.
[0:41:43 – 0:41:44] Adam: I don’t know who else is around.
[0:41:44 – 0:41:46] Adam: There’s no Americans, right?
[0:41:46 – 0:41:47] Adam: They only got like four towns up there.
[0:41:48 – 0:41:50] Adam: It’s definitely not Atacocan people.
[0:41:50 – 0:41:52] Adam: No, no, that’s way too far.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:54] Adam: They’d have a cabin somewhere else, you know.
[0:41:54 – 0:41:55] Erik: They’re up on White Otter.
[0:41:56 – 0:41:58] Adam: Right, there you go, by the old castle.
[0:41:59 – 0:42:00] Erik: Yeah, the old White Otter Castle.
[0:42:00 – 0:42:01] Adam: Yeah, that’s right.
[0:42:02 – 0:42:03] Adam: Oh, boy.
[0:42:05 – 0:42:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:42:06 – 0:42:13] Adam: Anyways, if anybody is seriously considering, it would be an easy paddle, as I answered on the subreddit.
[0:42:13 – 0:42:15] Adam: Go ahead and go for it.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:16] Adam: The Arrow River is wonderful.
[0:42:17 – 0:42:19] Adam: The Canadian side of Rose is sweet.
[0:42:20 – 0:42:27] Adam: They’ve got toilet seats nailed to the trees, and they’ve got little fire grates up there for you and everything else you’d need.
[0:42:27 – 0:42:41] Erik: Yeah, the campsites, I’d say, are kind of Quetico-esque in terms of their ruggedness, but they’re also… Yeah, you’ll find a toilet seat, you’ll find a bunch of old fire grates, you’ll find maybe multiple fire rings.
[0:42:41 – 0:42:47] Erik: It’s pretty lawless, but in terms of general layout, it’s kind of Quetico-style where it’s, you know, oh, this is…
[0:42:48 – 0:42:52] Erik: Clearly an easier area for a human to try and make a campsite.
[0:42:52 – 0:42:54] Erik: So it’s been this way for a long time.
[0:42:55 – 0:43:03] Erik: But you’ve got a little bit more in the way of the one site on Rose, the first campsite I ever stayed at on Bajoara’s trip.
[0:43:03 – 0:43:03] Erik: Right.
[0:43:03 – 0:43:12] Erik: We just found like a bin of old like beans and beans and franks in like the woods that are all rusted together.
[0:43:12 – 0:43:15] Erik: Some old Canadians like food stash from like a trip.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:16] Erik: Did you eat it?
[0:43:17 – 0:43:41] Erik: oh god no i don’t even think the it was it was pretty terrible the whole bin was just it seemed like it had probably been there for a decade so you mean you you might find stuff like that but in terms of like an overall layout it’s it’s uh they kind of feel like quetico we like a rough quetico site it’s verandre yeah rough verandre it’s verandre verandre proper
[0:43:45 – 0:43:47] Adam: There’s another one I was looking at.
[0:43:47 – 0:43:54] Adam: There’s, like, Athelstain and the Savan Lake and Savan River, and this is all part of, like, the northern routes.
[0:43:55 – 0:43:58] Adam: Like, this is all, like, Shabanduan stuff, Eric.
[0:43:58 – 0:44:03] Adam: Like, eventually, this is, like, really Arrow is just south Shabanduan stuff.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:05] Erik: South Shabandawan stuff.
[0:44:05 – 0:44:06] Adam: That’s right.
[0:44:07 – 0:44:07] Adam: All right.
[0:44:07 – 0:44:10] Adam: Well, anyways, thanks for the question.
[0:44:12 – 0:44:20] Adam: Appreciate the post and just walking down memory lane because we’ve done a few trips up there, Eric and I, and I’ve been back a couple times.
[0:44:21 – 0:44:25] Adam: It’s a sweet spot to go, Arrow, but do make sure you have your IBC at least.
[0:44:26 – 0:44:30] Adam: Don’t do the queen dirty like that when she’s in her grave.
[0:44:30 – 0:44:36] Erik: I think you could get into serious trouble if you got caught up with the… Yeah, I think the Queensland permit, well, you can be like, well, where am I supposed to get it?
[0:44:36 – 0:44:39] Adam: I don’t have access to this bait store.
[0:44:39 – 0:44:41] Adam: If they made it easy, fine, I’ll do it.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:44] Adam: It’s like streaming the pirate streams, you know?
[0:44:45 – 0:44:48] Adam: If it was easy, I would just pay for it and deal with it.
[0:44:48 – 0:44:53] Adam: And if sometimes they make it harder than it should be to find something, then you got to pirate it, so…
[0:44:53 – 0:44:55] Adam: Make it easier, Ontario.
[0:44:55 – 0:44:58] Adam: Get it together up there.
[0:44:58 – 0:45:02] Adam: I would gladly pay $9.35 to camp up on Arrow.
[0:45:02 – 0:45:07] Erik: Yeah, that was always our go-to on the rough and tumble dog days of summer when everybody was in the park.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:07] Erik: Right.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:10] Erik: We just wanted to get out late after work and not have to worry about finding a campsite.
[0:45:10 – 0:45:11] Erik: Just go up to Arrow.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:18] Adam: I still want to do the same thing on North someday because North is also outside the park and pretty easy to get a sight on.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:23] Adam: But I think there’s got to be some cool Canadian campsites out on the Canadian side of North.
[0:45:23 – 0:45:24] Adam: Probably.
[0:45:24 – 0:45:27] Adam: It’s in the same neck of the woods off the same road you were just talking about.
[0:45:30 – 0:45:32] Adam: We’ll wrap it up there.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:35] Adam: I want to plug a few things before we get out of here.
[0:45:37 – 0:45:38] Adam: Posted a question in the weekend.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:45] Adam: Have you ever had a bear in camp based on discussion last week on the spraying a bear in the eyes with some peppers?
[0:45:46 – 0:45:51] Adam: And what happened to my animals?
[0:45:51 – 0:45:54] Adam: And it looks like some people have had them, so we’re going to get to that one.
[0:45:54 – 0:45:56] Erik: I just want bear attack stories.
[0:45:56 – 0:45:57] Erik: I don’t care what you’re…
[0:45:57 – 0:45:59] Erik: I mean, if you want to share what you’re using to keep the bears away.
[0:46:00 – 0:46:01] Adam: I’m fine with that, too.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:06] Erik: We’ve talked about that in the past, but I don’t think we’ve ever discussed other people’s bear in-camp stories.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:14] Adam: I found a story about one of the only recorded actual black bear attacks in the Boundary Waters in print.
[0:46:15 – 0:46:18] Adam: which I got saved, so that’ll be coming up on that one.
[0:46:18 – 0:46:27] Adam: But we’re leaving that post live for a bit longer if anybody else is listening to this and has some stories to share on your bear experiences or attacks.
[0:46:27 – 0:46:28] Erik: Attacks only.
[0:46:28 – 0:46:29] Adam: Bear attacks, please.
[0:46:30 – 0:46:30] Adam: Yes.
[0:46:31 – 0:46:36] Adam: And I also picked up a copy based on a recommendation from back in the winter.
[0:46:37 – 0:46:46] Adam: I picked up a copy of J. Arnold Bolt’s Portage into the Past, and I’ve started reading it, and so that’s going to be in the next Book Report episode coming up.
[0:46:46 – 0:46:47] Adam: It’s a doozy.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:47] Adam: Doozy.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:50] Adam: And also, it’s a real treat.
[0:46:51 – 0:46:55] Adam: It involves Rose Lake because it’s on the border route.
[0:46:57 – 0:47:18] Adam: and that’s what they’re paddling so that’s been i’m pretty excited about that so far we’re still in grand portage but i’ve just started the book but it’s going to be pretty sweet they take a trip in 1958 on the border route so that was a recommendation from the tumble homies and we’re getting after that one next so looking pretty good forward to that one
[0:47:19 – 0:47:26] Adam: Thank you to Barb’s Bannock for the delicious suds on this night’s episode.
[0:47:27 – 0:47:30] Adam: The Aurora beer is very strong, I would say.
[0:47:31 – 0:47:34] Adam: Stronger than they’re saying.
[0:47:34 – 0:47:35] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:36] Adam: I’m feeling it a little bit.
[0:47:36 – 0:47:38] Adam: Maybe.
[0:47:38 – 0:47:46] Adam: Thank you for the beers, though, and congratulations on the trail hike out there in the wilds of the North Shore, the real North Shore.
[0:47:46 – 0:47:49] Adam: And we sure appreciate that.
[0:47:50 – 0:47:53] Adam: That’ll do it, I think, for this episode of Tumble Home.
[0:47:53 – 0:47:54] Adam: It’s late.
[0:47:54 – 0:47:55] Adam: I’m done.
[0:47:55 – 0:47:56] Adam: It’s way after dark.
[0:47:56 – 0:47:57] Adam: I’m dying.
[0:47:57 – 0:48:00] Adam: And as we always say in Tumble Home, life is precious.
[0:48:00 – 0:48:01] Adam: Every day is a miracle.
[0:48:02 – 0:48:06] Adam: And shout out to Tupac, great friend of the show.
[0:48:06 – 0:48:06] Adam: Rip.
[0:48:07 – 0:48:09] Adam: And we’ll catch you on the other side of the lake.
[0:48:09 – 0:48:10] Adam: Watch your sounds.
[0:48:10 – 0:48:12] Adam: See you down there in the frog ponds, friends.
[0:48:12 – 0:48:13] Adam: Good night.
[0:48:13 – 0:48:13] Adam: Good night.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:16] Erik: Where are the frog ponds?
[0:48:16 – 0:48:20] Erik: Oh, frog portage.
[0:48:20 – 0:48:21] Adam: And frog ponds.
[0:48:22 – 0:48:22] Adam: Lake.
[0:48:23 – 0:48:23] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:25 – 0:48:26] Adam: That’s what feeds Remix.
[0:48:26 – 0:48:27] Adam: Titmarsh.
[0:48:29 – 0:48:30] Adam: Remix.
[0:48:31 – 0:48:32] Adam: Remix.
[0:48:33 – 0:48:35] Adam: Remix.
[0:48:35 – 0:48:36] Adam: Remix.
[0:48:37 – 0:48:45] Erik: Yeah, two packs.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:02] Erik: It’s explicit now.
[0:49:37 – 0:49:40] Adam: This will never be the same.
[0:49:40 – 0:49:43] Adam: Auto-tune it, Eric.
[0:49:44 – 0:49:46] UNKNOWN: Oh, yeah.
[0:49:47 – 0:49:49] Adam: People on Remix are rolling in their graves right now.
[0:49:50 – 0:49:53] Erik: Emails have been partially written.
[0:49:54 – 0:49:58] Erik: Now that they know it’s ending with this song, they’re deleting.
[0:49:58 – 0:49:59] Adam: Oh, yeah.
