308: Too Much Sea for Their Decks

Episode Transcript

[0:00:00 – 0:00:03] Adam: November as a transition month and for a great reason.
[0:00:04 – 0:00:11] Adam: The weather can be mild and warm, cold and dangerously stormy, or most likely a combination of both.
[0:00:12 – 0:00:21] Adam: A master can guide his vessel laden with full cargo onto calm waters only to encounter deadly sailing conditions in the span of a few hours.
[0:00:22 – 0:00:35] Adam: Worse yet, for captains and crews of large freighters, overconfidence clouds judgment and leads shipping officials and heavy-weather captains to believe that the vessels are up to the task of taking on anything Mother Nature throws at them.
[0:00:37 – 0:00:57] Adam: The three largest vessels lost on the Great Lakes, the Edmund Fitzgerald, 1975, the Carl D. Bradley, 1958, and the Daniel J. Murrell, 1966, were wrecked and lost, all but three men among them on Lake Superior, Michigan, and Huron, respectively, in November storms.
[0:00:59 – 0:01:01] Adam: Countless others were lost or destroyed as well.
[0:01:02 – 0:01:22] Adam: Factors contributing to the losses include inadequate weather forecasting in the days prior to radar, satellite tracking and communications, GPS, a good understanding of upper air patterns, inadequate number of reporting stations, and a general distrust within the shipping industry of weather forecasts.
[0:01:24 – 0:01:26] Adam: And, of course, greed.
[0:01:28 – 0:01:33] Adam: In November, with the shipping season reaching its end, shipping companies tried to squeeze in a final trip or two.
[0:01:34 – 0:01:39] Adam: Boats would be serviced in the layup months ahead, and if they were seaworthy, they operated.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:43] Adam: Success courted disaster.
[0:01:44 – 0:01:47] Adam: The Minnesota Iron Rangers supplied as much ore as the freighters could haul.
[0:02:02 – 0:02:07] UNKNOWN: Welcome to Tumble Home.
[0:02:27 – 0:02:34] Erik: If you can’t handle us at our boatists, you don’t deserve us at our tumble homeists.
[0:02:34 – 0:02:34] Erik: My name is Eric.
[0:02:35 – 0:02:36] Erik: Hello.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:40] Erik: It’s the field mic in Studio V. It’s a real wild card episode.
[0:02:41 – 0:02:42] Erik: I don’t have my headphones on.
[0:02:43 – 0:02:48] Erik: It’s like we’re in the field, but we’re not in the field, but we’re not in the field.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:50] Erik: Hello, Adam.
[0:02:52 – 0:02:53] Adam: Good evening, Eric.
[0:02:53 – 0:02:54] Adam: We are sitting by a fire, though.
[0:02:55 – 0:03:02] Adam: Got a nice toasty fire going in here in Studio V. And, yeah, I forgot the microphones.
[0:03:02 – 0:03:04] Adam: I drove over here and got all the way over here.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:06] Adam: And so I was, like, pulling in your driveway.
[0:03:06 – 0:03:09] Adam: I realized I forgot to go get the microphones out of the shed.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:14] Adam: Even though I was doing some shoring today and I was in the shed, like, five times.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:19] Adam: And I definitely looked at those microphones multiple times and thought I should grab those and throw them in the truck.
[0:03:20 – 0:03:21] Adam: Never did.
[0:03:22 – 0:03:22] Adam: So…
[0:03:23 – 0:03:29] Erik: I just looked outside, and you had your hands in your pockets, and you were circling in the driveway just kicking dirt.
[0:03:29 – 0:03:29] Adam: Yep.
[0:03:30 – 0:03:31] Adam: What are you doing out there?
[0:03:33 – 0:03:33] Adam: Mad.
[0:03:33 – 0:03:34] Adam: I’m just mad.
[0:03:34 – 0:03:36] Erik: Just disappointed in myself.
[0:03:36 – 0:03:40] Adam: Yeah, you know, I haven’t been 100% today.
[0:03:40 – 0:03:48] Adam: We are going to forge ahead like heavy weather captains, and this podcast can handle these seas.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:52] Erik: Whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing, we’re forging ahead.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:56] Adam: I’m not going to sit and port just because I forgot the microphones.
[0:03:56 – 0:03:58] Adam: I did remember the beer.
[0:03:58 – 0:04:00] Adam: And we got two Art Supply sponsors.
[0:04:02 – 0:04:05] Adam: If you want to take the mic and rip into these bad boys, I did take a picture of the…
[0:04:08 – 0:04:12] Adam: of the whiteboard so I can give proper credit.
[0:04:13 – 0:04:14] Erik: We have an envelope filled with cash.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:15] Adam: Where credit is due.
[0:04:17 – 0:04:17] Adam: We have two.
[0:04:18 – 0:04:19] Adam: We skipped this one.
[0:04:20 – 0:04:22] Adam: The first one is from Mad Sativa.
[0:04:23 – 0:04:26] Adam: who was unable to join us on the Tumble Homey trip.
[0:04:27 – 0:04:29] Adam: I hope you’re doing okay, Mad Sativa.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:31] Adam: This one’s just labeled as Festive Bag.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:44] Adam: It came in beginning of August, and it got skipped a few times, but that’s because I cheated and I looked in here, and there’s a good reason we skipped it, but I don’t want to keep skipping it and have Mad Sativa wondering what the hell is going on.
[0:04:46 – 0:04:48] Adam: So it’s full of drugs.
[0:04:49 – 0:04:53] Erik: Basically, wow, this is a Tallboy 100 milligram?
[0:04:53 – 0:04:54] Erik: Could you imagine?
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Adam: That can’t be right, is it?
[0:04:55 – 0:05:05] Erik: What are you supposed to do with Mary Jones cannabis-infused 100 milligram, 16 fluid ounce, like, could you imagine drinking something?
[0:05:06 – 0:05:07] Erik: How many servings is that?
[0:05:07 – 0:05:08] Erik: Good night, sweet prince.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:10] Erik: Ugh.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:13] Erik: It says… Wow.
[0:05:14 – 0:05:14] Adam: Yeah?
[0:05:15 – 0:05:18] Adam: Okay, so yeah, you’re only supposed to have 1.6 ounces at a time.
[0:05:18 – 0:05:21] Erik: So there’s 10 servings.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:23] Erik: Yeah, it’s good for a week and a half.
[0:05:23 – 0:05:25] Adam: Each serving is 10 milligrams.
[0:05:25 – 0:05:27] Adam: Just take one little sip out of each one.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:36] Adam: So we have Mary Jones cannabis-infused grape sodas, which would probably kill me if I drank that whole thing.
[0:05:37 – 0:05:39] Erik: Huge, huge joints.
[0:05:39 – 0:05:42] Erik: A jar of sativa joints.
[0:05:42 – 0:05:44] Adam: Hey, good sativa joints.
[0:05:44 – 0:05:44] Erik: Pre-rolls.
[0:05:45 – 0:05:45] Erik: Nice.
[0:05:45 – 0:05:46] Erik: Very good.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:53] Erik: And two packages of True North One Hitters.
[0:05:53 – 0:05:54] Erik: These are some gummies.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:55] Erik: Gummies.
[0:05:56 – 0:05:57] Erik: Gummies.
[0:05:57 – 0:06:01] Erik: Yeah, these are from Jackson, Michigan?
[0:06:02 – 0:06:02] Erik: Wow.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:04] Adam: Michigan’s where it’s at.
[0:06:05 – 0:06:07] Adam: Got some serious Michigan gummies.
[0:06:09 – 0:06:11] Adam: I don’t know what this is.
[0:06:11 – 0:06:12] Adam: Not paraphernalia.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:13] Adam: Fine goods.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:16] Adam: I don’t even know if you could like split this with somebody.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:17] Erik: 50 milligrams?
[0:06:17 – 0:06:18] Erik: That’s insane.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:28] Adam: I think I would just keel over and probably, you know, be like falling into the briny deep if I had half of that with you.
[0:06:29 – 0:06:31] Erik: Crack one and have a sip or two maybe?
[0:06:31 – 0:06:32] Adam: Yeah, we can crack one and have a sip.
[0:06:33 – 0:06:39] Erik: Yeah, this is like four or five friends worth of THC in this thing.
[0:06:40 – 0:06:42] Erik: Well, it smells very purple.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:44] Adam: Purple drink.
[0:06:46 – 0:06:47] Erik: And I’m high.
[0:06:48 – 0:06:50] Adam: Eric’s eyes just dilated.
[0:06:50 – 0:06:52] Adam: All right, let me try it.
[0:06:52 – 0:06:53] Erik: I mean, it tastes pretty good.
[0:06:53 – 0:06:59] Adam: All right, I had my one ounce.
[0:06:59 – 0:07:01] Adam: 1.6 ounces has been sipped.
[0:07:02 – 0:07:06] Adam: And it has like a sliding lid, though, so you can slide that lid shut again.
[0:07:06 – 0:07:06] Adam: There we go.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:07] Adam: Until Christmas.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:08] Adam: There we go.
[0:07:08 – 0:07:08] Adam: All right.
[0:07:09 – 0:07:10] Adam: Thank you, Mad Sativa.
[0:07:10 – 0:07:11] Adam: And there’s a note.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:12] Erik: It’s filled with cash.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:16] Erik: Thanks so much.
[0:07:17 – 0:07:18] Erik: Oh, it is filled with cash.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:23] Erik: Holy shit, that’s a lot of cash.
[0:07:24 – 0:07:29] Erik: Is this the money that they found in the woods after DB Cooper jumped out of the plane?
[0:07:29 – 0:07:30] Erik: It’s wet.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:30] Erik: Feel it.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:31] Erik: It’s like moist.
[0:07:32 – 0:07:39] Adam: Yeah, well, it’s been in the tumble shed since August, and you hear that?
[0:07:40 – 0:07:41] Erik: Wet cash.
[0:07:42 – 0:07:44] Adam: Oh, yeah, it smells like money.
[0:07:48 – 0:07:51] Erik: Bungie Waters this, Bungie Waters that, blah, blah, blah.
[0:07:51 – 0:07:53] Erik: It is as beautiful as it gets.
[0:07:54 – 0:07:57] Erik: But it’s not the reason the podcast is a never miss.
[0:07:58 – 0:07:59] Erik: It is you two clowns.
[0:07:59 – 0:08:00] Erik: We love you.
[0:08:00 – 0:08:01] Erik: You are the podcast.
[0:08:02 – 0:08:05] Erik: And you better not quit ever, Mad Sativa.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:09] Adam: And it is filled with a 10.
[0:08:09 – 0:08:12] Erik: And then 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:13] Erik: Another 10.
[0:08:13 – 0:08:16] Erik: 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
[0:08:24 – 0:08:27] Erik: 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, probably 25, and then a 5.
[0:08:29 – 0:08:29] Erik: Sweet.
[0:08:29 – 0:08:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:29 – 0:08:30] Erik: 25 ones, a 5, and a 10.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:30] Erik: Very moist bills.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:30] Erik: Ugh.
[0:08:41 – 0:08:46] Adam: Well, this is the greatest gift of poetry we’ve ever received.
[0:08:46 – 0:08:47] Adam: Thank you, Matt Sativa.
[0:08:49 – 0:08:54] Adam: Eric and I are going to the airport next week with Brother Andrew.
[0:08:54 – 0:09:01] Adam: We won’t disclose where right now, but we are going to bring this cash with us.
[0:09:02 – 0:09:04] Adam: We’re going to spend this somewhere in an airport.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:06] Erik: Yeah, that’ll buy us 1.5 beers at the airport.
[0:09:08 – 0:09:08] Adam: Hell yeah.
[0:09:09 – 0:09:11] Erik: Yeah, any way to get rid of that mildew.
[0:09:11 – 0:09:13] Erik: It smells like my grandpa’s attic.
[0:09:14 – 0:09:14] Erik: Well, it was.
[0:09:15 – 0:09:15] Erik: Smell that money.
[0:09:15 – 0:09:16] Adam: I did smell it.
[0:09:16 – 0:09:19] Adam: Well, it was in the cabinet in the tumble shed.
[0:09:19 – 0:09:21] Erik: I think I just got Legionnaire’s disease.
[0:09:24 – 0:09:25] Adam: Excellent.
[0:09:26 – 0:09:34] Adam: We are going to be, we’re going to watch Interstellar on Blu-ray after this episode’s over, I think, is the plan.
[0:09:35 – 0:09:40] Adam: So maybe we’ll bust into one of these pre-rolled joints before we watch the film.
[0:09:41 – 0:09:43] Adam: We’re not doing a Tumble Home Cinema Classics for it, I don’t think.
[0:09:44 – 0:09:44] Erik: This one’s for us.
[0:09:45 – 0:09:46] Adam: This one’s just for us.
[0:09:46 – 0:09:47] Adam: I’ve never seen Interstellar.
[0:09:48 – 0:09:49] Adam: What year did that come out?
[0:09:50 – 0:09:52] Erik: I don’t know, 2010?
[0:09:52 – 0:09:52] Erik: 2010?
[0:09:52 – 0:09:53] Erik: That’s my best guess.
[0:09:54 – 0:10:00] Adam: All I know is that big wave scene and they’re like, this thing, this little maneuver is going to cost us $30.
[0:10:00 – 0:10:03] Erik: Yeah, that’s exactly.
[0:10:03 – 0:10:03] Adam: 30 years.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:06] Erik: Well, it’s also a 4K Blu-ray.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:07] Erik: It’s not just a Blu-ray.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:09] Erik: So get it right.
[0:10:10 – 0:10:10] Adam: My bad.
[0:10:10 – 0:10:12] Adam: I didn’t know there was such a thing.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:15] Erik: You got a lot to learn when it comes to physical media, my friend.
[0:10:15 – 0:10:17] Adam: Is there anything above 4K Blu-ray?
[0:10:18 – 0:10:19] Erik: There’s like two.
[0:10:19 – 0:10:22] Erik: I think there’s like two 8K DVDs out in the world.
[0:10:23 – 0:10:23] Erik: But.
[0:10:24 – 0:10:29] Erik: Unless it’s over like 79 inches, like the human eye can’t tell a difference.
[0:10:30 – 0:10:36] Erik: And it’s like, I think it’s like the Wizard of Oz and like Citizen Kane or something.
[0:10:36 – 0:10:39] Adam: Is it like so HD though that it’s like weird?
[0:10:40 – 0:10:40] Erik: No, I don’t think so.
[0:10:41 – 0:10:42] Erik: No, it’s like right in the perfect groove.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:49] Erik: That’s why everybody that is into physical media, they’re probably all just like, you know, covering their asses.
[0:10:49 – 0:10:52] Erik: But pretty much everybody’s like, no, this is the final form.
[0:10:53 – 0:10:55] Erik: When I get everything that I want on this form, that’s it.
[0:10:55 – 0:10:56] Erik: Because really…
[0:10:57 – 0:11:00] Erik: You can’t put an 8K movie on a disc.
[0:11:00 – 0:11:06] Erik: 4K discs are already finicky.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:08] Erik: If you get a scratch on them, they’re ruined.
[0:11:09 – 0:11:11] Erik: Whereas DVDs, you could play a record.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:13] Erik: It’ll still play through it.
[0:11:14 – 0:11:21] Erik: So to try to compress that much information onto a piece of plastic beyond 4K, probably not going to happen.
[0:11:22 – 0:11:24] Adam: And also just the TVs don’t exist anymore.
[0:11:24 – 0:11:39] Adam: I remember we were visiting family out in California when the second season of Stranger Things came out, and I don’t know what kind of internet they had in San Jose at the time, but I remember we watched an episode of it, and I was like, this is too HD.
[0:11:39 – 0:11:40] Adam: It’s weird.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:47] Erik: Well, they may have also been a victim of what so many of these TVs these days.
[0:11:47 – 0:11:49] Erik: Like there was that whole video.
[0:11:49 – 0:12:01] Erik: I think Tom Cruise was in charge of it before Mission Impossible where he was explaining to boomers about how to turn off the motion tracking.
[0:12:02 – 0:12:02] Erik: Oh.
[0:12:02 – 0:12:08] Erik: So many of these TVs that come out now come auto-enabled with motion smoothing.
[0:12:08 – 0:12:09] Adam: Maybe that’s what was going on.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:10] Erik: Yeah.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:13] Erik: It makes everything kind of look like a soap opera.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:13] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:14 – 0:12:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:14 – 0:12:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:16] Erik: That’s exactly what it was.
[0:12:17 – 0:12:19] Erik: My in-laws had it.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:34] Erik: It’s a weird area where you’re like, I could make your viewing experience so much better, but I also don’t want to start fiddling around with somebody else’s TV settings, but I know I could make this so much better for you by turning off three things.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:37] Adam: Turn off motion tracking and block Fox News.
[0:12:37 – 0:12:38] Erik: Basically.
[0:12:40 – 0:12:42] Adam: This damn gizmo is not working right.
[0:12:43 – 0:12:48] Erik: I guarantee you it was probably a motion smoothing thing where it cuts.
[0:12:48 – 0:12:49] Adam: It was unsettling.
[0:12:50 – 0:12:57] Erik: Yeah, it fills in the frames with an AI guess as to what is supposed to be there.
[0:12:57 – 0:13:00] Erik: And it makes everything look like a soap opera.
[0:13:00 – 0:13:05] Erik: And if any of you out there have ever seen a soap opera, they don’t look particularly great.
[0:13:06 – 0:13:13] Erik: And so when you’re watching a movie and they look like a soap opera, it makes movies like cinematic films look cheap.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:14] Adam: Well, that was the thing.
[0:13:14 – 0:13:18] Adam: It was like, this is so HD, but also it looks like goofy.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:23] Erik: Yeah, like Super HD and then also very Uncanny Valley.
[0:13:23 – 0:13:24] Erik: Yeah, maybe.
[0:13:24 – 0:13:37] Erik: It’s a stupid effect that I have no idea why it gets auto-turned on to new TVs, but if anybody at home is listening, I think our audience is pretty smart.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:39] Adam: They sure are.
[0:13:40 – 0:13:43] Adam: Smart enough to send us cash in a jar full of joints.
[0:13:44 – 0:14:01] Adam: milligrams of liquid THC holy moly thank you Matt Sativa knowing that this was like full of THC though I was like we gotta bring another show sponsor along that’s probably beer but I didn’t open this one up so hopefully this one’s also
[0:14:02 – 0:14:03] Adam: Got some beer in it.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:05] Adam: But we’re going to open up two show sponsors.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:09] Adam: And thank you to Mad Sativa, obviously.
[0:14:10 – 0:14:15] Adam: We’re going to make good use of this fine Michigan product.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:21] Adam: We are going to be talking about shipwrecks tonight in Lake Superior.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:25] Adam: And, you know, Michigan, the UP.
[0:14:26 – 0:14:26] Erik: Shipwreck season.
[0:14:26 – 0:14:33] Erik: We’re going to have to hang this cold, wet, mildewy money over the fire like a couple of bootleggers.
[0:14:33 – 0:14:34] Erik: Let it dry out.
[0:14:35 – 0:14:37] Adam: We need to launder this money for real.
[0:14:37 – 0:14:38] Erik: It’s wet and musty.
[0:14:39 – 0:14:41] Adam: What’s going on in that cabinet in the shed?
[0:14:41 – 0:14:44] Adam: Is this why there’s so many mushrooms growing in the tumble shed?
[0:14:44 – 0:14:45] Erik: I guess, yeah.
[0:14:45 – 0:14:46] Erik: It’s just a bunch of money.
[0:14:46 – 0:14:48] Adam: We need a dehumidifier on that thing.
[0:14:48 – 0:14:52] Adam: Anybody know what a good dehumidifier is for a shed with a dirt floor?
[0:14:52 – 0:14:54] Erik: A dehumidifier just strictly for cash.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:57] Erik: I should grab the dehydrator.
[0:14:58 – 0:14:59] Adam: Dehydrate the cash.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:03] Adam: Anybody ever have to dehydrate cash?
[0:15:03 – 0:15:04] Adam: What setting should we use?
[0:15:04 – 0:15:05] Erik: Right next to my jerky?
[0:15:06 – 0:15:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:08 – 0:15:08] Adam: Can’t wait.
[0:15:08 – 0:15:09] Adam: Just leave it wet.
[0:15:09 – 0:15:14] Adam: We’re going to spend it at an airport, and the airport can have our wet cash.
[0:15:15 – 0:15:15] Erik: Perfect.
[0:15:15 – 0:15:18] Adam: We’ve got to spend it before we go through security.
[0:15:18 – 0:15:22] Adam: We’ll probably set up multiple alarms, and we’ll be detained otherwise.
[0:15:23 – 0:15:25] Erik: Throw off the drug-sniffing dogs.
[0:15:25 – 0:15:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:26 – 0:15:28] Adam: Just wrap all these drugs in wet money.
[0:15:28 – 0:15:33] Adam: We’re going to get these things right through security and take them with us.
[0:15:33 – 0:15:34] Adam: These guys just
[0:15:36 – 0:15:40] Adam: These are just old guys in a young man’s body.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:43] Erik: That’s what they always say about us.
[0:15:43 – 0:15:45] Adam: Exactly.
[0:15:45 – 0:15:49] Adam: We also have, that’s it for the August supplies, though.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:52] Adam: Thank you, everybody who stopped by in the month of August at the co-op.
[0:15:53 – 0:15:58] Adam: We’re moving into the first supplies from September, and this one is just rated as Blue Alps.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:02] Adam: And it just says Davis Loop.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:07] Adam: Yeah, so this came in an Alps Mountaineering dry bag.
[0:16:08 – 0:16:09] Adam: You got gifted the dry bag?
[0:16:09 – 0:16:10] Adam: The dry bag’s included.
[0:16:10 – 0:16:11] Erik: Wow.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:12] Erik: Here we go.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:13] Adam: Let’s see what’s in there.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:15] Adam: Yeah, so we got a nice dry bag out of the deal.
[0:16:15 – 0:16:20] Adam: We’re going to stick all our cash and drugs in that and take it with us to the airport next week.
[0:16:21 – 0:16:22] Adam: This one’s got another big envelope.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:25] Adam: Cash.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:25] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:26] Erik: Gold coins.
[0:16:26 – 0:16:30] Adam: Gold coins.
[0:16:30 – 0:16:31] Adam: Oh, I think I know which one this is then.
[0:16:33 – 0:16:36] Erik: Oh, no, it’s 200 milligram THC sodas.
[0:16:37 – 0:16:40] Erik: Oh, no, it’s actually a New England-style pale ale.
[0:16:42 – 0:16:45] Adam: I think these are the submarine captains that stop by the co-op.
[0:16:45 – 0:16:46] Adam: Did I tell you about this?
[0:16:47 – 0:16:52] Adam: There’s guys who actually, like, yeah, they’re submariners.
[0:16:52 – 0:16:53] Erik: Oh, hell yeah.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:53] Erik: Look at this.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:55] Erik: We got pins?
[0:16:55 – 0:16:56] Adam: No, they’re challenge coins.
[0:16:57 – 0:16:57] Erik: Challenge coins.
[0:16:57 – 0:17:00] Erik: I have no idea what that means, but that shark looks badass.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:02] Erik: Has he got glow sticks in his hand?
[0:17:03 – 0:17:04] Erik: Or drumsticks?
[0:17:04 – 0:17:05] Erik: Is that a shark playing drums?
[0:17:05 – 0:17:06] Erik: I think it’s flares.
[0:17:07 – 0:17:10] Adam: I don’t know if I’m supposed to open this, but I’m opening it.
[0:17:10 – 0:17:11] Adam: He’s opening his challenge coin.
[0:17:11 – 0:17:16] Erik: I guarantee this will get us through many checkpoints at the Raleigh airport.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:23] Adam: No, like if shit really goes sideways in this country, you just hang on to these challenge coins.
[0:17:23 – 0:17:25] Adam: It’ll get you through any checkpoint.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:26] Adam: Period.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:30] Erik: Virginia class submarine program building for the fight.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:54] Adam: building for the fight that’s a ripped shark uh these two guys stopped by the co-op and they that we’ve really been enjoying your uh sub month content uh and they asked me what was my favorite submarine movie so far and i think i said 20 000 leagues under the sea because i was like fresh on the peter lorry wagon
[0:17:55 – 0:17:59] Adam: And I said, well, which one’s the most accurate as far as you’re concerned?
[0:17:59 – 0:18:01] Adam: Because they both have served on submarines.
[0:18:02 – 0:18:06] Adam: And they said, without even missing a beat, they said down periscope.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:07] Erik: Yeah, that’s great.
[0:18:07 – 0:18:12] Adam: And I said, are all cooks on submarines just fat slobs who are like farting in the stew?
[0:18:12 – 0:18:13] Adam: And they’re like, pretty much, yeah.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:14] Erik: Nice.
[0:18:14 – 0:18:17] Erik: Well, again, another typed question.
[0:18:20 – 0:18:21] Adam: I’ll give it a read here.
[0:18:21 – 0:18:26] Adam: Eric and Adam, thank you for the entertainment and listening pleasure of the past few years.
[0:18:26 – 0:18:31] Adam: Your podcast is the only reason why we, two people from Connecticut, even know about the Boundary Waters.
[0:18:32 – 0:18:40] Adam: We have done zero research on the BWCA outside of your podcast and are 100% dependent on your conversations to get us home safely.
[0:18:40 – 0:18:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:48] Adam: We are in luck as your podcasts are both entertaining and full of knowledge, even the 20-minute beer rambling intros.
[0:18:50 – 0:18:56] Adam: Thank you for the effort you put into what has become a highlight of our weeks, and know that the people from Connecticut are listening.
[0:18:57 – 0:19:05] Adam: In honor of sub-month, we have enclosed two challenge coins, which is a longstanding tradition within the United States Navy submarine community.
[0:19:06 – 0:19:09] Adam: Also enclosed are two of our favorite local beverages,
[0:19:10 – 0:19:12] Adam: both of which are appropriately named.
[0:19:12 – 0:19:15] Adam: Wish us luck, Mike and Josh.
[0:19:15 – 0:19:21] Adam: I had a list that they were going to do a Davis loop and I think end up in Winchell.
[0:19:21 – 0:19:26] Adam: I think my only advice was just please, for us, for the community, please stay on Davis.
[0:19:28 – 0:19:52] Erik: because we just blew right through there um but uh i never did hear back so hopefully they did make it uh to davis at least i hope they made it to davis yeah at least they made it to davis at the very least what do we got here uh we got some uh two different varieties of beard brewing brewing brewing company it’s beer like beer but
[0:19:54 – 0:19:56] Erik: Beard like the facial hair.
[0:19:57 – 0:19:58] Erik: And that is the logo.
[0:19:58 – 0:20:05] Erik: And I’ve got a kittens and canoes New England style pale ale.
[0:20:05 – 0:20:05] Erik: 5.75%.
[0:20:05 – 0:20:06] Erik: Oh, look at all those cats.
[0:20:08 – 0:20:10] Erik: It’s like the opening scene from Mighty Ducks 2.
[0:20:12 – 0:20:16] Adam: And I’ve got a Dogs and Boats double IPA, 9.1%.
[0:20:16 – 0:20:17] Adam: Oh, what?
[0:20:18 – 0:20:21] Adam: Brother in Christ, I’m starting with the hot one.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:30] Erik: You’re going 9.1 and you’re going to double fist the 9.1 and the 100 milligram grape THC infused soda?
[0:20:31 – 0:20:33] Adam: Lord help us, there’s a lot of reading in this episode.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:34] Adam: I hope I can handle it.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:43] Erik: Uh, we did, uh, make the guest bedroom up so you can feel free to just, uh, bed down in there later if you need to.
[0:20:43 – 0:20:44] Adam: It’s been a day.
[0:20:44 – 0:20:52] Adam: I mean, I had that whole day off and I, I did manage to get like a good chunk of my checklist done cause we are going to be gone next week.
[0:20:52 – 0:20:55] Adam: And I was like, I got a lot on my to-do list.
[0:20:55 – 0:21:00] Adam: But also, I had a mild fever all day and just felt kind of crummy.
[0:21:00 – 0:21:04] Adam: And so, you know, I’m already feeling a lot better.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:06] Adam: But who knows how this night’s going to go.
[0:21:07 – 0:21:09] Adam: I just hope I can make it through part one of this series.
[0:21:10 – 0:21:16] Adam: And without delaying much further, we are talking shipwrecks, of course, tomorrow.
[0:21:17 – 0:21:19] Adam: If you’re listening to this the day the episode drops…
[0:21:20 – 0:21:21] Adam: which is Sunday the 9th.
[0:21:22 – 0:21:26] Adam: Tomorrow is the 50th anniversary of the sinking, of course, of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
[0:21:28 – 0:21:28] Adam: Ahoy, matey.
[0:21:30 – 0:21:53] Adam: And for at least the next couple weeks and possibly three, it looks like it’s probably going to be three weeks of shipwreck season here in November, we’re reading and basing these episodes off of Too Much Seas for Their Decks, Shipwrecks of Minnesota’s North Shore and Isle Royale by Michael Schumacher, dear friend of the show.
[0:21:54 – 0:21:54] Adam: Toot, toot.
[0:21:57 – 0:22:00] Adam: Heinolt should have written a book, yeah.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:06] Adam: Frederick Stonehouse gets shouted out in this one pretty early on, and he’s got a bunch of books which I’ve not read any of them.
[0:22:06 – 0:22:08] Adam: Have you managed to get your hand on any Stonehouse?
[0:22:10 – 0:22:14] Erik: No, not in my wheelhouse of prioritizing in terms of books that I want to read.
[0:22:15 – 0:22:17] Adam: Yeah, but I would read Heinolt for sure.
[0:22:17 – 0:22:18] Adam: Get out the foam toys.
[0:22:21 – 0:22:25] Erik: He’s more of a YouTube video guy than a full long-form read, in my opinion.
[0:22:25 – 0:22:31] Adam: Do you have any other side notes before we get into the shipwreck season?
[0:22:31 – 0:22:32] Erik: No side notes.
[0:22:32 – 0:22:42] Adam: Thank you, Mike and Josh, for the beard beers, for the kittens, the dogs, and the boats, and these challenge coins with the hunk sharks.
[0:22:44 – 0:23:06] Adam: uh carry them with you and then if you ever get uh and if you ever get in a tough spot you just show that coin to somebody and i guess it gets you it’s a get out of jail free card for life for anything around the world every other navy recognizes it all navy personnel will let you get on their boat yeah if you just you just wave them down and then show them the coin they have to let you into their hatch
[0:23:09 – 0:23:10] Adam: Let us down your tubes.
[0:23:11 – 0:23:13] Adam: Let us swim into your torpedoes.
[0:23:13 – 0:23:14] Adam: It’s pretty weighty.
[0:23:15 – 0:23:15] Adam: It’s real metal.
[0:23:15 – 0:23:16] Adam: It’s got some weight.
[0:23:16 – 0:23:17] Erik: It’s a heads and a tails.
[0:23:17 – 0:23:21] Erik: I don’t know if I trust necessarily which side is which.
[0:23:21 – 0:23:24] Adam: Let’s see which way it’s going to go.
[0:23:37 – 0:23:38] Adam: And sure did.
[0:23:39 – 0:23:45] Adam: It’s run aground like the Honorable Paul J. Martin, which was grounded in the Detroit River all last night.
[0:23:45 – 0:23:47] Adam: I think that’s part of why I was feeling so rough today because I didn’t sleep.
[0:23:48 – 0:23:58] Adam: I just stayed up all night watching the live cam of the big boat that was stuck in the Detroit River by the Renaissance Pavilion in Detroit.
[0:23:58 – 0:23:59] Adam: Does anybody know where that is?
[0:24:00 – 0:24:01] Adam: Anyways, it was stuck.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:03] Adam: It got free, though, right before I came over here.
[0:24:03 – 0:24:05] Adam: It got free right before dinner time.
[0:24:05 – 0:24:05] Adam: Let’s go.
[0:24:05 – 0:24:19] Adam: reason you’re here i had to um so i’m not slept in two days either so that’s not helping things i got two birds of the week that i did see i did get a snow bunting of course i’m sure you’ve seen the snow buntings they’re back
[0:24:20 – 0:24:25] Adam: So somehow I hadn’t marked that one down in my life list yet.
[0:24:25 – 0:24:27] Adam: So that one got added to the life list.
[0:24:27 – 0:24:35] Adam: And then I got this sweetheart today in the driveway when I was wandering around trying to put away potted plants into the shed and chicken coop building.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:37] Adam: A Lapland Longspur.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:39] Adam: Medium rare.
[0:24:40 – 0:24:42] Adam: Anybody out there ever seen one of these bad boys?
[0:24:42 – 0:24:43] UNKNOWN: Medium rare.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:44] Adam: Very distinctive.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:47] Adam: And, yeah, first timer for me.
[0:24:47 – 0:24:51] Adam: So I am closing in on 100 birds on my life list at this point.
[0:24:51 – 0:24:52] Adam: So pretty excited about that.
[0:24:53 – 0:24:54] Adam: Pretty proud of that sighting.
[0:24:54 – 0:24:57] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:24:57 – 0:24:59] Adam: I saw it and I was like, wow, what is that?
[0:25:00 – 0:25:01] Adam: Goo-goo-ga-ga.
[0:25:02 – 0:25:02] Adam: I’m hot for that bird.
[0:25:03 – 0:25:05] Adam: And I looked it up and I was like, yep, that’s what it was.
[0:25:06 – 0:25:07] Adam: Lapland longspur.
[0:25:10 – 0:25:12] Adam: That’s all I got for the introduction, though.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:14] Adam: And so I think it’s time to get into shipwrecks.
[0:25:15 – 0:25:19] Erik: So the book… Four or five different cans open here, so we should be ready to go.
[0:25:19 – 0:25:22] Adam: This table’s looking real festive.
[0:25:22 – 0:25:24] Adam: This book is divided into three parts.
[0:25:25 – 0:25:27] Adam: Part one is Minnesota’s North Shore.
[0:25:27 – 0:25:29] Adam: Part two is Isle Royale.
[0:25:30 – 0:25:34] Adam: And then part three is just general horrible storms of Lake Superior.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:37] Adam: Uh…
[0:25:38 – 0:25:40] Adam: including the Armistice Day blizzard.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:42] Adam: So we might get to that in part four.
[0:25:43 – 0:25:47] Adam: So we’ve got a whole month of hurricanes up the lake and tough storms.
[0:25:47 – 0:25:51] Adam: But probably we’re just going to be focusing on the shipwreck section.
[0:25:53 – 0:25:58] Adam: But tonight we’ll be focusing on three different shipwrecks from Minnesota’s North Shore.
[0:25:59 – 0:26:06] Adam: And we’re going to be starting with The Stranger, which we did discuss last year on our Halloween episode briefly.
[0:26:06 – 0:26:07] Adam: But…
[0:26:08 – 0:26:13] Adam: Yeah, Schumacher’s got some pretty good detail on this, and I figure we can start there.
[0:26:13 – 0:26:15] Adam: So, The Stranger, you remember it?
[0:26:15 – 0:26:16] Adam: I don’t.
[0:26:17 – 0:26:28] Adam: It was a schooner, a double-masted wooden schooner that sunk in Grand Marais or outside of Grand Marais Harbor on December 12, 1875.
[0:26:28 – 0:26:28] Adam: Eric?
[0:26:28 – 0:26:28] Adam: Eric?
[0:26:32 – 0:26:36] Adam: The Grand Marais Harbor, yes, which is apparently a deep water port.
[0:26:37 – 0:26:51] Adam: As we learned on the trivia series, I cornered Dave at the Grand Marais City Parks Department while he was trying to eat lunch in the co-op and demanded to know all he knew about deep water ports.
[0:26:52 – 0:26:57] Adam: And whether or not Grand Marais truly was rated for deep water and could the Stuart J.
[0:26:57 – 0:26:59] Adam: Court actually pull in there and throw anchor.
[0:26:59 – 0:27:02] Adam: And he professed to not know what I was talking about.
[0:27:02 – 0:27:04] Erik: Leave me alone.
[0:27:04 – 0:27:06] Erik: I’m just trying to eat my clam chowder.
[0:27:06 – 0:27:12] Adam: Damn, this Dogs and Boats is very good.
[0:27:12 – 0:27:15] Erik: Dogs and Boats, kittens and canoes.
[0:27:16 – 0:27:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:27:20 – 0:27:24] Adam: Yeah, we previously covered this story in the Halloween episode last year.
[0:27:24 – 0:27:28] Adam: I think I found a little magazine article about it or something that we read.
[0:27:29 – 0:27:32] Adam: It was a double-masted wooden schooner.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:36] Adam: A 60-footer with a crew of four.
[0:27:37 – 0:27:44] Adam: And for some reason, they left Duluth, headed for Grand Marais, but they did not have an anchor.
[0:27:46 – 0:27:47] Adam: And it was pretty late in the season.
[0:27:48 – 0:27:50] Adam: I don’t know why they didn’t have an anchor.
[0:27:50 – 0:27:50] Adam: Nobody knows why.
[0:27:51 – 0:27:55] Adam: And somebody apparently offered to let them borrow their anchor.
[0:27:55 – 0:27:58] Adam: And they were like, nah, it’s all good.
[0:27:58 – 0:28:01] Erik: Even in 1875, it was not a good idea to sail without an anchor.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:11] Adam: Yeah, well, I don’t know what Grand Marais Harbor looked like back then, but I’m going to go ahead and say that it didn’t look like the one where the lady got swept off the break wall this week.
[0:28:12 – 0:28:21] Adam: And it probably was just literally like Artist Point and, you know, some shabby wooden piers kind of in the lee.
[0:28:23 – 0:28:28] Adam: Anyways, no idea why they wouldn’t have their anchor and they lost it.
[0:28:29 – 0:28:29] Adam: Who knows?
[0:28:30 – 0:28:32] Adam: I never had one to begin with.
[0:28:32 – 0:28:35] Adam: Somebody was like, hey, buddy, though, you’re going up to Grand Marais.
[0:28:35 – 0:28:36] Adam: It’s pretty windy out there.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:37] Adam: You might want to take our anchor.
[0:28:37 – 0:28:39] Adam: And the captain just said, no, thanks.
[0:28:39 – 0:28:40] Adam: I’m OK.
[0:28:42 – 0:28:43] Adam: Proved to be their doom.
[0:28:43 – 0:28:44] Adam: And they should have taken the anchor.
[0:28:45 – 0:28:52] Adam: So just goes to show you, friends, if anybody ever offers you an anchor, you just say yes.
[0:28:52 – 0:28:54] Adam: Thank you very much.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:56] Adam: Don’t be too proud to borrow an anchor.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:59] Erik: Even if you don’t have a boat, just put it in the yard.
[0:28:59 – 0:29:02] Erik: It’s a garden piece, whatever.
[0:29:02 – 0:29:08] Adam: We’re taking the wet money and the challenge coins, and we’re bringing an anchor with us on an airplane next week.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:09] Erik: There you go.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:14] Erik: That’s the one place that an anchor probably doesn’t need to be, but just to be safe, we are bringing a small one.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:16] Adam: Just pitch it out the window just in case.
[0:29:18 – 0:29:20] Adam: 60-footer, no anchor.
[0:29:21 – 0:29:25] Adam: There was zero details on the cargo, but it was generally just a…
[0:29:26 – 0:29:30] Adam: Because at this time, obviously, it was like dog sleds.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:35] Adam: It was either like you’re John Bear greasing it or you’re getting your supplies by boat.
[0:29:37 – 0:29:38] Adam: Just general supplies.
[0:29:38 – 0:29:45] Adam: It wasn’t like they had just 20,000 pounds of chicken nuggets or beaver or iron ore.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:53] Adam: It was probably a little bit of all those things and mail and home goods and lumber.
[0:29:53 – 0:29:54] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:29:55 – 0:30:04] Adam: It’s a mixed bag of cargo, but it doesn’t say why they’re running cargo because probably once you hit January, they aren’t able to get any more boats up there.
[0:30:05 – 0:30:10] Adam: Probably trying to get the last cargo of the season up there for the long winter in Grand Marais.
[0:30:12 – 0:30:20] Adam: I don’t have any details as far as how many people were in Grand Marais at this time, what was actually on the boat.
[0:30:20 – 0:30:26] Adam: But yeah, they left on the 11th, and they sailed up the North Shore overnight.
[0:30:26 – 0:30:33] Adam: And as they made their way towards Grand Marais, the winds dramatically increased in the afternoon.
[0:30:33 – 0:30:38] Adam: And as they were attempting to enter the harbor, they grounded her.
[0:30:38 – 0:30:42] Adam: And nearly capsized by multiple accounts.
[0:30:42 – 0:30:48] Adam: They were, like, completely, like, laying down in the lake, full-on capsized.
[0:30:48 – 0:30:50] Adam: And somehow the boat, like, bounced back up off these rocks.
[0:30:51 – 0:30:54] Adam: But at that point, they had a huge hole in the hull.
[0:30:55 – 0:30:58] Adam: And, yeah, no anchor.
[0:30:58 – 0:31:03] Adam: So they, like, weren’t able to, like, turn it around and, like, beach it or anything.
[0:31:03 – 0:31:05] Adam: And literally the wind was coming straight down the hill.
[0:31:05 – 0:31:06] Adam: Interesting.
[0:31:07 – 0:31:14] Adam: just bloomed straight out to sea with a violent wind, a large gash in the hull, and they were straight up never seen again, Eric.
[0:31:15 – 0:31:16] Adam: Just blown out to sea.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:18] Erik: This was just outside of Grand Marais?
[0:31:18 – 0:31:20] Adam: Yeah, so it’s out there somewhere.
[0:31:20 – 0:31:24] Adam: The stranger was never found.
[0:31:24 – 0:31:24] Adam: Wow, nice.
[0:31:24 – 0:31:27] Erik: It’s one of those ships of Lake Superior.
[0:31:28 – 0:31:28] Adam: I like that.
[0:31:29 – 0:31:35] Adam: And it’s probably somewhere out there, you know, south and east of Grand Marais out there.
[0:31:35 – 0:31:37] Adam: It gets deep quick out there.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:48] Adam: So it’s wooden and is a 60-footer, which, you know, compared to some of these wrecks we’ve talked about in previous years in Shipwreck Month, not much.
[0:31:48 – 0:31:50] Adam: But, you know, compared to a Min 2, huge.
[0:31:52 – 0:32:16] Adam: um yeah boats like these continued hauling cargo on the great lakes well into the 1920s when steam powered boats were already out there and you had like 500 600 foot steam powered boats out there hauling freight at that point but they like can you imagine a time when you’d see you know big true freighters out there steam powered metal boats out there and you still have these like
[0:32:17 – 0:32:41] Adam: alongside 60 foot schooners with sails yeah sailboats still out there like hauling small cargo that would be amazing i would love that and like still mostly everything was being hauled by water at that point so you know he had a wide variety of ships still in service in the 1920s but back in old 1875 the double-masted wooden schooner was about as big as they got i guess that was the premier ship on lake superior in 1875 and uh
[0:32:43 – 0:32:49] Adam: The wind and their lack of an anchor as they’re trying to dock in Grand Marais just made real quick work of them.
[0:32:50 – 0:32:51] Adam: Gashed them on the rocks.
[0:32:51 – 0:32:56] Adam: I’m assuming one of those little like sub reefs kind of coming off of Artist Point.
[0:32:57 – 0:32:58] Erik: It was that close.
[0:32:59 – 0:33:20] Adam: in the harbor and it sounded like by this account that they were able they like cat and got in there but then they decided like we should try and turn around and like park it the other way and when they were trying to like finagle it into the parking zone uh that’s when the wind really kicked up and bloom into the rocks and like almost capsized them on the spot and they probably would have been better off if they just like stayed hung up on the rocks yeah
[0:33:22 – 0:33:23] Adam: They would probably have gotten off at least.
[0:33:24 – 0:33:30] Adam: The boat would have been lost either way, but they would have at least been able to get off the damn thing before they just blew it to sea.
[0:33:33 – 0:33:41] Adam: Apparently there was a group of fishermen that were in the harbor with a rowboat that tried to row out to them and throw them a line.
[0:33:42 – 0:33:44] Adam: There’s multiple accounts.
[0:33:44 – 0:33:47] Adam: Either they couldn’t get the line to them or the sailors on the
[0:33:48 – 0:34:16] Adam: on the stranger could not grab the line or uh yeah i don’t know or they never even got close to reaching them it’s inconclusive but apparently a rescue attempt from the grammar a locals was made and failed and then these guys just blew it to see and they’re like okay we got to let them go or we’re gonna go with them at this point so you got to make that tough call at some point that this rescue ain’t gonna happen so pretty freaky though things just out there somewhere
[0:34:16 – 0:34:19] Erik: Has there been any concerted efforts to look for it?
[0:34:20 – 0:34:25] Adam: No information was given on what kind of resources were poured into trying to find that.
[0:34:25 – 0:34:31] Adam: I think there are generally groups of people, though, that are always looking for shipwrecks that have yet to be found.
[0:34:31 – 0:34:32] Erik: There’s a few of them, aren’t there?
[0:34:33 – 0:34:33] UNKNOWN: There’s plenty.
[0:34:34 – 0:34:43] Adam: Yeah, there’s a lot of boats out there still that have never been found, and I don’t know what something like a 60-foot schooner would look like in 500 feet of water to a side scanner.
[0:34:43 – 0:34:52] Adam: Maybe as sonar technology becomes even more detailed and refined in the future, maybe then they can find it.
[0:34:52 – 0:34:56] Adam: There’s generally no real good sense of how far out it blew.
[0:34:56 – 0:35:02] Adam: They basically just got lost into the clouds out on the lake.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:09] Adam: They could have sunk immediately or they could have drifted a long ways before they finally went down.
[0:35:10 – 0:35:12] Erik: If they would have sunk immediately, they probably would have been found by now.
[0:35:12 – 0:35:13] Erik: It’s probably in the middle
[0:35:14 – 0:35:40] Adam: probably got way out there whatever like the storm was like so crazy and i’m trying to recall if i said it was snowing at all but you know the visibility was poor i’ll just that i can say for sure and so like they immediately were like out of sight from land and so who knows they could have sunk as soon as they like the people lost sight of them or they could have kept going a long ways and nobody’s really got a clue on that so mid-december north shore storm back when they used to be for real
[0:35:41 – 0:35:42] Adam: Yikes.
[0:35:42 – 0:35:44] Adam: So that one’s never been found.
[0:35:46 – 0:35:47] Adam: Have you ever been on the Hjortus?
[0:35:47 – 0:35:49] Adam: The Hjortus?
[0:35:49 – 0:35:52] Erik: Not while it’s been at sea.
[0:35:52 – 0:35:57] Erik: I’ve walked on it when it’s on dock, but I’ve never actually taken a ride out on the boat, no.
[0:35:58 – 0:36:01] Adam: Would you have any guess as to how big the Hjortus is?
[0:36:03 – 0:36:05] Erik: I don’t know, 45?
[0:36:06 – 0:36:06] Adam: I’ll give it to you.
[0:36:07 – 0:36:07] Adam: 50 feet.
[0:36:08 – 0:36:08] Adam: Ding.
[0:36:09 – 0:36:10] Erik: Ding.
[0:36:10 – 0:36:11] Erik: He’s got it.
[0:36:11 – 0:36:13] Erik: This actually is a trivia show again.
[0:36:13 – 0:36:14] Erik: I tricked you.
[0:36:15 – 0:36:17] Erik: This is all scooter trivia.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:21] Adam: And you got one so far correct, so you’re on the right track.
[0:36:22 – 0:36:27] Adam: The flagship of Grand Marais Harbor, the Hjortus shares the name of the mythical Norse goddess of war.
[0:36:29 – 0:36:33] Adam: It’s a 50-foot traditionally rigged steel schooner replica.
[0:36:33 – 0:36:41] Adam: And, yeah, you can see Grand Marais as it was approached in the centuries before Highway 61.
[0:36:42 – 0:36:43] Adam: From the water.
[0:36:43 – 0:36:46] Adam: That’s what it says on the folk school’s website, at least.
[0:36:46 – 0:36:48] Erik: Oh, I thought you wrote that.
[0:36:48 – 0:36:50] Adam: That was directly pulled off their website.
[0:36:51 – 0:36:52] Adam: So I’m taking their word for it.
[0:36:52 – 0:36:56] Adam: I didn’t actually go measure it, but I don’t think it’s in the water anymore.
[0:36:56 – 0:36:58] Adam: They must pull it out of the water for the winter, huh?
[0:36:58 – 0:37:01] Erik: I know usually they do.
[0:37:01 – 0:37:09] Erik: I think last year they couldn’t because there was some leaking slash work that had to be done on it, so they had to keep it in the water for that, weirdly enough.
[0:37:10 – 0:37:10] Adam: Seepage.
[0:37:11 – 0:37:12] Erik: Seepage.
[0:37:12 – 0:37:13] Erik: And I’m also no expert.
[0:37:13 – 0:37:14] Erik: I have no idea.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:16] Adam: Seepage.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:17] Erik: Too much seepage.
[0:37:17 – 0:37:19] Adam: Too much seepage for their decks.
[0:37:23 – 0:37:44] Adam: by michael c mocker uh yeah anyways just imagine a boat like slightly bigger than the hiatus trying to deliver you know toilet paper and chicken nuggets to grand marais in 1875 and they just got like smashed by the wind trying to what were they thinking not having an anchor quick grab the supplies i mean
[0:37:45 – 0:37:48] Adam: I should have been able to sidle up to the dock and throw a line.
[0:37:48 – 0:37:50] Erik: Just get the GP off the boat.
[0:37:50 – 0:37:52] Erik: Who cares what happens after the supplies are off the boat?
[0:37:52 – 0:37:53] Erik: Let them go.
[0:37:53 – 0:37:55] Erik: They didn’t bring an anchor.
[0:37:55 – 0:38:00] Adam: So one slightly bigger than the hiatus.
[0:38:01 – 0:38:03] Adam: Yeah, just huge hole put in it.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:09] Adam: Somehow like shakes itself off the rocks and just gets blown straight up to sea and never is seen again.
[0:38:09 – 0:38:09] Adam: Crazy.
[0:38:09 – 0:38:13] Erik: Seems like a Simpsons cartoon where it’s like, oh no, they’re saved.
[0:38:13 – 0:38:15] Erik: Oh no, they’re being blown out farther into the lake.
[0:38:16 – 0:38:17] Erik: Oh God, now they’re gone.
[0:38:19 – 0:38:22] Adam: And that’s all they wrote.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:24] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:38:24 – 0:38:25] Adam: Pretty creepy.
[0:38:29 – 0:38:33] Adam: Anyways, apparently the hiatus is steel reinforced, though, and it’s not like a full-on.
[0:38:33 – 0:38:35] Adam: I thought it was straight up like a wooden.
[0:38:35 – 0:38:39] Adam: I thought it was like a period wooden schooner.
[0:38:40 – 0:38:41] Adam: Apparently, it’s like a replica, though.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:43] Erik: It’s got metal in there.
[0:38:43 – 0:38:43] Erik: That makes sense.
[0:38:44 – 0:38:51] Adam: I do want to go on it, honestly, but apparently the shipping season or whatever, the sailing season’s over, though, and they’re not
[0:38:52 – 0:38:54] Erik: It’s a little too late in the season for that.
[0:38:54 – 0:38:58] Adam: I did look it up, and I think we’ve got to make it happen next year.
[0:38:58 – 0:39:00] Adam: We should go on a sunrise sale.
[0:39:01 – 0:39:02] Erik: It depends.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:08] Erik: I wish I could buy a pass for when it would be the most interesting to go out on it.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:12] Erik: Because most of those mornings, middle of the summer, it’s just like dead calm and they just are out there under motor.
[0:39:12 – 0:39:15] Erik: It’s like, I don’t know, I want to see your sails in action.
[0:39:15 – 0:39:16] Erik: I want to see some sailing.
[0:39:16 – 0:39:18] Adam: I don’t want to just go out there and putt around.
[0:39:19 – 0:39:20] Adam: I suppose, yeah.
[0:39:20 – 0:39:23] Adam: No, I do want to actually see the sails billowing.
[0:39:23 – 0:39:26] Erik: Most of the time, it’s just like a dead calm little…
[0:39:28 – 0:39:31] Erik: It was just kind of like, yeah, yeah, it’s nice.
[0:39:31 – 0:39:33] Erik: It’s summer in Grand Marais, but like, I don’t know.
[0:39:33 – 0:39:39] Erik: I don’t want to go out there during the gales in November, but I’d like to feel a little wind under the sails, you know?
[0:39:40 – 0:40:02] Adam: no i agree but i do want to get on it i don’t know how it’s possible we’ve both been living here this long and neither of us have been on that boat um i always enjoy watching it it comes in real close to the east bay like i was out there doing wave stations and recording and hanging on the beach a lot and that thing comes in real close to the beach and but they also go like way out there too it’s a deep channel
[0:40:03 – 0:40:05] Adam: maybe I want to get on that boat.
[0:40:05 – 0:40:06] Adam: So it’s reasonable.
[0:40:06 – 0:40:08] Adam: I think it’s like 75 bucks.
[0:40:08 – 0:40:11] Adam: And I think you are, I think they’re giving out tips.
[0:40:11 – 0:40:14] Adam: So we just call it an even a hundred per person to get on that thing.
[0:40:14 – 0:40:38] Adam: stack of musty uh ones over there we can bring yeah we can bring that with us next year give them that for the tip uh i don’t know he smells haunted it says you’re allowed to like it’s basically their website also says like make sure you really bundle up like bring a parka and scarves even in the middle of august and uh then it says you are allowed to bring snacks and beverages
[0:40:39 – 0:40:42] Erik: Well, it’s like 40 degrees out on the lake any time of year, basically.
[0:40:42 – 0:40:46] Erik: So I can imagine when you get out there a couple of miles, yeah, it’s going to be cold.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:48] Adam: Oh, man, that would be a lot of fun.
[0:40:48 – 0:40:51] Adam: Do you think you’re allowed to bring IPAs?
[0:40:53 – 0:40:54] Adam: It does not say.
[0:40:54 – 0:40:56] Adam: It just says, if you want, bring some beverages.
[0:40:57 – 0:40:59] Erik: Yeah, a couple of small beers.
[0:41:00 – 0:41:01] Adam: It’s like a two-hour tour.
[0:41:01 – 0:41:03] Erik: A few small beers.
[0:41:03 – 0:41:04] Erik: What are they going to do?
[0:41:04 – 0:41:07] Erik: You’re out there in international waters.
[0:41:07 – 0:41:10] Adam: Are they inspecting your bags before you get on the craft?
[0:41:11 – 0:41:12] Erik: Yeah, I’m sure there’s a bag inspector.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:16] Adam: Are they letting you actually rig the lines on that thing?
[0:41:16 – 0:41:19] Adam: Or are you just sitting back and enjoying the show?
[0:41:19 – 0:41:22] Erik: Yeah, I don’t think it’s an active, immersive experience, but…
[0:41:24 – 0:41:33] Erik: I’d like to see somebody actually pull the jibs or crank the scoops.
[0:41:34 – 0:41:36] Adam: You’re going to crank the scoops and pull the jibs.
[0:41:36 – 0:41:39] Adam: I didn’t even get to show you a picture of the stranger here.
[0:41:39 – 0:41:40] Erik: Is that the first in line?
[0:41:41 – 0:41:42] Adam: I think it’s that first one in line there.
[0:41:43 – 0:41:43] Adam: Right there.
[0:41:44 – 0:41:46] Erik: Wow, that’s actually way longer than I thought it was.
[0:41:46 – 0:41:47] Adam: No one’s double masted.
[0:41:47 – 0:41:47] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:41:47 – 0:41:49] Adam: How many mast does the Hjortis have?
[0:41:49 – 0:41:51] Erik: I guess it’s like twice as big as the Hjortis.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:52] Erik: That makes sense.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:53] Adam: Pretty big.
[0:41:54 – 0:41:57] Adam: And they made it up from Duluth in like under a day.
[0:41:58 – 0:42:02] Adam: They were cruising, but it was like super windy with the wind at their backs.
[0:42:03 – 0:42:04] Adam: Sailing overnight.
[0:42:04 – 0:42:05] Adam: Just sailing through the night.
[0:42:05 – 0:42:06] Adam: Can you imagine that?
[0:42:06 – 0:42:10] Adam: Let’s do a quick overnight sail from Duluth up to Grand Marais in December.
[0:42:11 – 0:42:15] Erik: It’s 2025 and driving at night up the shore is still scary.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:16] Adam: Yeah, exactly.
[0:42:16 – 0:42:21] Erik: I couldn’t imagine sailing up the shore at night.
[0:42:21 – 0:42:22] Adam: Let’s see.
[0:42:22 – 0:42:25] Adam: I wanted to get the name of the captain before we move on.
[0:42:26 – 0:42:30] Adam: It’s Captain Clark, but I’m sure it says his full name on here at some point, huh?
[0:42:32 – 0:42:34] Adam: And I do have the name of the captain that tried to give him the anchor.
[0:42:34 – 0:42:37] Adam: I wanted to give him a shout-out, too, before we moved on.
[0:42:37 – 0:42:38] Adam: Anyways, it’s just Captain Clark.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:40] Adam: I guess I can’t find his first name.
[0:42:41 – 0:42:51] Adam: But I do have the Captain Alfred Marcotte of the Handy, a small schooner already laid up in Duluth for the winter, offered Clark the use of his anchor.
[0:42:52 – 0:42:55] Adam: But Clark declined, a decision he would regret.
[0:42:57 – 0:42:58] Adam: Captain Clark was only 24 years old.
[0:43:00 – 0:43:02] Adam: He had three other guys on the boat with him.
[0:43:02 – 0:43:05] Adam: One of them was like his first, James Lefebvre.
[0:43:06 – 0:43:09] Adam: It was his first trip ever on the Great Lakes.
[0:43:09 – 0:43:10] Erik: This was 1875?
[0:43:10 – 0:43:11] Erik: 1875.
[0:43:12 – 0:43:16] Erik: So like what, that 24-year-old captain?
[0:43:16 – 0:43:17] Erik: I mean, it’s like inflation.
[0:43:18 – 0:43:19] Erik: What’s a 24-year-old in 1875 is like a 50-year-old now.
[0:43:22 – 0:43:23] Adam: Yeah, he had a gray beard.
[0:43:23 – 0:43:24] Adam: Are you kidding me?
[0:43:27 – 0:43:28] Adam: He was already a grandfather.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:31] Erik: He’s going to be dead in six years.
[0:43:33 – 0:43:34] Erik: Yeah, consumption got that guy.
[0:43:35 – 0:43:36] Adam: Yeah, big time.
[0:43:37 – 0:43:43] Adam: Yeah, apparently it was hurricane force winds, but it was 1875, so we don’t have a ton of information.
[0:43:43 – 0:43:44] Adam: Wrecked.
[0:43:44 – 0:43:45] Adam: They are wrecked.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:49] Adam: Yeah, it’s got the picture of the newspaper and then the…
[0:43:50 – 0:43:52] Adam: black and white outline on the newspaper.
[0:43:52 – 0:43:52] Erik: That’s good.
[0:43:52 – 0:43:55] Erik: It still looks the same.
[0:43:55 – 0:43:59] Adam: What a natural harbor.
[0:43:59 – 0:44:01] Adam: The newspaper has his name.
[0:44:01 – 0:44:02] Adam: Ike N. Clark.
[0:44:03 – 0:44:04] Adam: Captain Ike N. Clark.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:07] Adam: 24 but adjusted for inflation in backwards years.
[0:44:08 – 0:44:09] Adam: Benjamin Button style.
[0:44:09 – 0:44:11] Adam: He was actually like 58.
[0:44:12 – 0:44:13] Erik: Also the name though.
[0:44:13 – 0:44:17] Erik: I feel like the name is old enough that the cycle has returned.
[0:44:18 – 0:44:19] Erik: There are Ikes again.
[0:44:20 – 0:44:28] Erik: But in 1875, that was probably just as frontier, edge of the naming cycle.
[0:44:29 – 0:44:33] Adam: But now it’s back.
[0:44:33 – 0:44:35] Erik: Is Ike short for something?
[0:44:35 – 0:44:36] Adam: No.
[0:44:37 – 0:44:37] Adam: It’s just Ike.
[0:44:38 – 0:44:39] Adam: It’s a hell of a name.
[0:44:39 – 0:44:40] Erik: I like it.
[0:44:43 – 0:44:50] Adam: Uh, anyways, our, uh, our IP to the stranger, wherever you are out there, it is one of the many ghost ships of Lake Superior.
[0:44:52 – 0:44:54] Adam: Um, all right.
[0:44:56 – 0:44:58] Adam: You have any questions before, uh, moving on?
[0:44:59 – 0:44:59] Adam: Not yet.
[0:45:00 – 0:45:00] Adam: All right.
[0:45:00 – 0:45:01] Adam: I got pulled my notes.
[0:45:03 – 0:45:04] Adam: All right.
[0:45:05 – 0:45:07] Adam: Uh, next up tonight.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:09] Adam: Have you ever heard of the Thomas Wilson?
[0:45:10 – 0:45:11] Adam: Got a summer sinking for you.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:15] Erik: The defenseman for the Washington Capitals?
[0:45:17 – 0:45:18] Adam: I hadn’t thought of that, yeah.
[0:45:19 – 0:45:20] Adam: He’s a real goon.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:22] Adam: Also has a nice shot.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:23] Adam: He gets a lot of categories, actually.
[0:45:24 – 0:45:31] Adam: The Thomas Wilson sunk in Duluth June 7, 1902.
[0:45:33 – 0:45:36] Adam: And I got to start you out with a passage here from the book.
[0:45:38 – 0:45:52] Adam: The last two decades of the 19th century saw a continuation of the rapid evolution of freighter design and engineering, all as a result of the explosive convergence of iron ore, lumber, and grain commerce on the Great Lakes.
[0:45:53 – 0:46:05] Adam: Two recently discovered iron ranges, the Vermilion in Minnesota and the Gojibic in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, added to existing productive ranges and the constant demand from eastern steel mills.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:11] Adam: The railways grew enormously, which made transporting iron ore much faster and easier.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:18] Adam: Transporting small, sleepy cities like Duluth and Two Harbors into hubs of shipping activity.
[0:46:19 – 0:46:19] Adam: There we go.
[0:46:22 – 0:46:25] Adam: This story is about a whaleback.
[0:46:26 – 0:46:27] Adam: Do you know about whalebacks?
[0:46:28 – 0:46:33] Erik: It sounds like something I should know about, but I think I will need a refresher.
[0:46:33 – 0:46:34] Adam: All right.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:39] Adam: Captain Alexander McDougal had a crazy idea, Eric.
[0:46:39 – 0:46:48] Adam: And in 1881, he retired as the captain of the Hiawatha and devoted himself to building a new kind of freighter.
[0:46:50 – 0:46:55] Adam: The new boat was nicknamed the Whaleback because when fully loaded, it looked like a whale swimming in the lake.
[0:46:56 – 0:46:58] Adam: Many disliked the new design.
[0:46:58 – 0:47:01] Adam: A lot of people called it a pig boat.
[0:47:03 – 0:47:12] Adam: The first one was launched in 1883 and was named 101, or informally, McDougal’s Dream.
[0:47:14 – 0:47:16] Erik: I like both those names.
[0:47:17 – 0:47:31] Adam: Yeah, the official name of the first whaleback was 101, but the unofficial name was McDougal’s Dream, and it only took him two years from he retired and in two years built the first ever whaleback.
[0:47:31 – 0:47:32] Adam: That’s amazing.
[0:47:32 – 0:47:35] Adam: But he had been on the lakes for his entire life.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:44] Adam: I don’t have an idea how old he was when he built this thing, but McDougal’s dream became a reality in only two years after he decided he was going to do it, which I think is impressive.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:53] Adam: The Duluth Evening Herald called the 131-foot boat, quote, unsinkable and easy to handle.
[0:47:57 – 0:47:59] Adam: All in caps, even in the newspaper.
[0:47:59 – 0:48:00] Erik: All caps.
[0:48:00 – 0:48:01] Erik: How many exclamation points?
[0:48:01 – 0:48:02] Erik: At least three after it.
[0:48:03 – 0:48:06] Adam: That was the headline, and it was in size 128 font.
[0:48:06 – 0:48:12] Erik: Did the Titanic take a note or two from this headline?
[0:48:13 – 0:48:15] Erik: Wow, that looks really good, boys.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:20] Erik: We should use that when our big, even more unsinkable boat gets put into the formation.
[0:48:21 – 0:48:22] Adam: Hell, that’s catchy.
[0:48:22 – 0:48:23] Erik: Unsinkable.
[0:48:23 – 0:48:25] Erik: Unsinkable.
[0:48:25 – 0:48:28] Erik: When’s the last time an unsinkable has not sunk?
[0:48:28 – 0:48:31] Adam: How many unsinkable craft are still floating?
[0:48:32 – 0:48:33] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:48:34 – 0:48:34] Erik: Zero?
[0:48:36 – 0:48:41] Adam: These things, I’ve described it, but it basically looks like a submarine that just always stays at the surface.
[0:48:43 – 0:48:45] Adam: They got challenge coins on the whalebacks, I would think.
[0:48:46 – 0:48:51] Adam: But there is one that you probably have seen, but we’ll get to that later.
[0:48:53 – 0:48:56] Adam: But yeah, it’s just basically, it’s like rounded on top.
[0:48:56 – 0:49:01] Adam: And it looks just like what you think, you know, a big nuclear submarine would look like if it was still on the surface just going.
[0:49:04 – 0:49:05] Adam: Page 13.
[0:49:05 – 0:49:06] Adam: There’s a picture of it.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:06] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:07] Erik: I got you a picture of it.
[0:49:08 – 0:49:09] Erik: The Tom Wilson.
[0:49:09 – 0:49:10] Erik: It’s like a big flat balloon.
[0:49:11 – 0:49:11] Adam: Basically, yeah.
[0:49:14 – 0:49:14] Adam: All right.
[0:49:16 – 0:49:22] Adam: For all its positive features, the whaleback was cursed by negatives that doomed it to a brief lifespan in popularity.
[0:49:23 – 0:49:27] Adam: Its unique design, a plus in many ways, was a negative in others.
[0:49:28 – 0:49:36] Adam: The curved decks, so efficient at keeping water from the decks in rough weather, affected the whaleback’s watertight capabilities.
[0:49:37 – 0:49:38] Adam: Seepage, Eric.
[0:49:39 – 0:49:46] Adam: The hatch covers, placed flush over the hatch openings, had a way of warping or being damaged because of the curved decks.
[0:49:48 – 0:49:52] Adam: In addition, the curvature made loading and unloading difficult.
[0:49:53 – 0:49:59] Adam: Due to the curved decks, the hatch openings were smaller than the conventional hatches, disturbing the loading process.
[0:49:59 – 0:50:01] Erik: It’s an insane shaped boat.
[0:50:01 – 0:50:03] Erik: Nobody ever thought about…
[0:50:04 – 0:50:11] Erik: The dynamics of how this thing is actually going to be day-to-day useful.
[0:50:12 – 0:50:20] Adam: Yeah, but I don’t know if modern submarines have these same issues, but it seems like they still use basically the same design, plus they can go underwater with that design.
[0:50:21 – 0:50:26] Adam: The whaleback was like, it looks like a modern nuclear submarine, but it was being built in the 1880s.
[0:50:26 – 0:50:27] Erik: But that’s the trade-off.
[0:50:27 – 0:50:33] Erik: It’s like, okay, yeah, it’s kind of a pain in the ass to load and unload a submarine, but it’s a submarine.
[0:50:33 – 0:50:34] Adam: Yeah, right.
[0:50:34 – 0:50:36] Erik: This boat is just still a boat.
[0:50:36 – 0:50:37] Adam: It’s just a boat.
[0:50:37 – 0:50:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:50:39 – 0:50:40] Erik: We also have boats.
[0:50:40 – 0:50:46] Erik: We’re really good at making things that can get humans and cargo from the dock to the boat easily.
[0:50:46 – 0:50:48] Erik: And nothing slips off the sides.
[0:50:48 – 0:50:50] Erik: It’s like you’re in the boat.
[0:50:50 – 0:50:53] Erik: This thing just seems like a combination of two things.
[0:50:54 – 0:50:55] Adam: It’s like the Kanak.
[0:50:56 – 0:50:58] Adam: It’s just like the Kanak, exactly.
[0:50:58 – 0:50:58] Adam: It exists.
[0:50:58 – 0:51:00] Erik: There’s no reason for it to exist.
[0:51:00 – 0:51:02] Erik: It’s the worst of both things.
[0:51:02 – 0:51:03] Erik: Why?
[0:51:03 – 0:51:04] Erik: Because you could…
[0:51:04 – 0:51:05] Adam: It’s very fast, though.
[0:51:05 – 0:51:06] Erik: I guess.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:08] Erik: Is there one thing about it?
[0:51:08 – 0:51:08] Erik: It’s fast?
[0:51:08 – 0:51:16] Adam: It’s fast, and generally it was considered to be unsinkable because no water can get into it, but apparently… Because a newspaper printed it?
[0:51:16 – 0:51:18] Adam: No, that was the whole idea, though.
[0:51:18 – 0:51:22] Adam: They’re like, well, it’s all metal, and nothing’s going to break into this thing.
[0:51:22 – 0:51:23] Adam: What could go wrong?
[0:51:24 – 0:51:25] Erik: Unsinkable!
[0:51:25 – 0:51:30] Adam: They originally built them as… His original idea was to make them just a barge, because back in those days…
[0:51:32 – 0:51:36] Adam: Most of the big boats were also just dragging barges of stuff with them because they could.
[0:51:37 – 0:51:41] Adam: It was seen as an efficient way to boost shipping capacity.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:43] Adam: It was like, hey, just have them drag that barge.
[0:51:43 – 0:51:47] Adam: But barges were always followed up and into trouble.
[0:51:47 – 0:51:50] Adam: So his original idea was to make a better barge.
[0:51:51 – 0:51:56] Adam: And then later he was like, actually, if I just put a motor on this sucker, it would be real sweet.
[0:51:56 – 0:51:59] Erik: Who’s sitting up at night being like,
[0:52:00 – 0:52:23] Adam: mcdougall’s dreaming i need to make a better barge this guy barges could be so much better yeah well somebody who’s been dragging barges around as a captain of the hiawatha for many years is like you know what these barges are shit it could be better i’m gonna retire and build a better barge better barge maybe that’s the episode title
[0:52:26 – 0:52:34] Adam: Although whalebacks proved to be excellent barges, their position lower in the water made them harder for other vessels to see.
[0:52:34 – 0:52:51] Adam: This was best illustrated by a tragic collision just outside the Duluth Harbor on June 7, 1902, when the whaleback Thomas Wilson sank after colliding with the freighter George G. Hadley in an accident that should never have occurred.
[0:52:53 – 0:52:57] Adam: The Wilson was a 308-footer, so much bigger than the Whaleback.
[0:52:58 – 0:52:59] Adam: Launched in 1892.
[0:53:00 – 0:53:02] Adam: Had a triple expansion.
[0:53:02 – 0:53:03] Adam: I’m sorry, the Wilson.
[0:53:04 – 0:53:06] Adam: That’s the Whaleback.
[0:53:06 – 0:53:07] Adam: I’m completely confused.
[0:53:08 – 0:53:09] Adam: The Wilson was 308 feet?
[0:53:10 – 0:53:11] Adam: That’s pretty damn big.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:15] Adam: I’m reading my own notes like I didn’t write them.
[0:53:15 – 0:53:16] Erik: Whoa, look at this.
[0:53:17 – 0:53:18] Erik: Get a load of this, Eric.
[0:53:18 – 0:53:19] Erik: This thing is 308 feet.
[0:53:21 – 0:53:24] Adam: Yeah, so he started building the whalebacks in the 1880s.
[0:53:24 – 0:53:29] Adam: This thing was 1892, so it gets like version 3 or 4 of the whaleback.
[0:53:29 – 0:53:37] Adam: It had a triple expansion engine with twin coal-fueled scotch boilers, driving a single propeller.
[0:53:37 – 0:53:41] Adam: It had plenty of power and a 24-foot deep cargo hold.
[0:53:42 – 0:53:44] Adam: So it could hold a lot, and it was very fast.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:47] Adam: And also, as we previously mentioned, unsinkable.
[0:53:48 – 0:53:53] Erik: I just think it’s insane that in this day and age, like, what, the 1890s?
[0:53:54 – 0:54:00] Erik: This is, like, right at the beginning of, like, the industrial, or maybe, like, well into it.
[0:54:00 – 0:54:07] Erik: But still, it always blows my mind that there are creations, such man-made creations in the 1800s of this level.
[0:54:10 – 0:54:13] Adam: Yeah, no, I mean, for what it was, that’s insane they were building it back then.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:14] Adam: It was visionary, truly.
[0:54:14 – 0:54:15] Erik: Yeah, it’s huge.
[0:54:16 – 0:54:26] Erik: It’s a huge size, and then it also has a workable working engine, which is also like, didn’t we just kind of like, well, we just figured out engines.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:29] Erik: Let’s make the biggest one possible.
[0:54:31 – 0:54:32] Adam: Triple expansion.
[0:54:32 – 0:54:33] Adam: What the hell does that mean?
[0:54:33 – 0:54:35] Adam: Like it’s three steam engines within each other?
[0:54:37 – 0:54:38] Erik: Super pressure.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:38] Erik: I guess.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:40] Erik: It’s all got to be steam-based still, right?
[0:54:41 – 0:54:41] Adam: Correct.
[0:54:41 – 0:54:42] Adam: What the hell is a…
[0:54:42 – 0:54:43] Adam: It’s coal-fired, yeah.
[0:54:43 – 0:54:44] Adam: This is steam engines.
[0:54:44 – 0:54:45] Adam: What the hell is a scotch boiler?
[0:54:47 – 0:54:47] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:54:48 – 0:54:50] Adam: He mentions it on a few of these boats.
[0:54:50 – 0:54:52] Adam: He’s like, man, this thing is sweet.
[0:54:52 – 0:54:54] Adam: It was decked out with a scotch boiler.
[0:54:54 – 0:54:57] Adam: Is that literally just like a boiler they shipped in from Scotland?
[0:54:58 – 0:55:00] Erik: Either that or it’s like… Or does it just have scotch in it?
[0:55:01 – 0:55:02] Erik: Like a double boiler?
[0:55:02 – 0:55:03] Erik: Like a scotch egg.
[0:55:06 – 0:55:07] Erik: A boiler in a boiler.
[0:55:09 – 0:55:10] Erik: Yeah, that’s what happened.
[0:55:10 – 0:55:17] Erik: Yeah, they bake one boiler into another one with like a thin layer of, you know, like a breading in between.
[0:55:18 – 0:55:19] Erik: That must be what it is.
[0:55:20 – 0:55:26] Adam: June 7th was a beautiful day in the Twin Ports when Skipper… Skipper Mc… Mick Cameron?
[0:55:27 – 0:55:27] Adam: What?
[0:55:28 – 0:55:30] Adam: Again, these are my notes.
[0:55:31 – 0:55:34] Adam: Skipper Mick… Maybe it’s just MC Cameron.
[0:55:35 – 0:55:39] Adam: You know how people in the 1880s, they just didn’t have an actual name.
[0:55:39 – 0:55:40] Adam: They just had initials for their first name.
[0:55:40 – 0:55:42] Adam: I bet that’s what’s going on here.
[0:55:43 – 0:55:44] Adam: Skipper MC Cameron.
[0:55:45 – 0:55:45] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:46 – 0:55:52] Adam: He ordered the crew to cast off ASAP, and they would fasten the hatch covers when they’re on the move.
[0:55:52 – 0:55:54] Adam: Does that sound like a great idea to you?
[0:55:54 – 0:55:59] Erik: Hey, once we’re moving, once we’re out there on the open seas, that’s when we’ll get everything tidied up and tightened down.
[0:56:00 – 0:56:01] Adam: Yeah, we got to move.
[0:56:02 – 0:56:05] Adam: I think they were delayed for some reason or the other, and they’re like, we got to really get moving here.
[0:56:05 – 0:56:06] Erik: We’re behind schedule.
[0:56:07 – 0:56:07] Erik: Road construction.
[0:56:08 – 0:56:13] Adam: Yeah, so we’re going to cut corners, and we’ll just fashion the hatches after we get under the lift bridge.
[0:56:13 – 0:56:19] Erik: The 35-53 road interchange was still happening back in 1895.
[0:56:19 – 0:56:23] Adam: Yeah, they were already building the first version of the Blatnik back then.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:23] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:56:24 – 0:56:25] Erik: The Blatnik and the bong.
[0:56:26 – 0:56:32] Adam: So they’re leaving, and as they’re leaving, the Hadley was coming into port with a full load of coal.
[0:56:33 – 0:56:41] Adam: And they were told at the last minute, due to confusion at the dock, that they should divert to Wisconsin Point and take the Superior entrance.
[0:56:42 – 0:56:45] Adam: You’ve been out there, out on Wisconsin Point.
[0:56:45 – 0:56:46] Adam: We’ve been out there.
[0:56:46 – 0:56:52] Adam: We’ve been out there, and they’re at the last minute like, hey, actually, you’ve got to head out to the other entry.
[0:56:53 – 0:56:58] Adam: Captain Mike Fitzgerald gave the order to turn the vessel and seemed not to notice the Wilson.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:01] Adam: The two ships otherwise should have easily passed.
[0:57:02 – 0:57:05] Adam: Quote, I forgot all about the other boat.
[0:57:06 – 0:57:08] Erik: This is actually a quote.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:12] Adam: Yeah, that was an actual quote from Captain Mike Fitzgerald of the Hadley.
[0:57:12 – 0:57:14] Erik: Forgot all about that other boat.
[0:57:14 – 0:57:17] Adam: He didn’t even think to look out for him before he ordered the… Alright, Turner!
[0:57:18 – 0:57:20] Erik: Just a beautiful June day.
[0:57:20 – 0:57:22] Adam: It was literally, like, idyllic.
[0:57:22 – 0:57:23] Adam: I don’t think there was any waves.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:31] Erik: Yeah, just people out on Park Point swimming, walking their dogs, and then just an absolute atrocity of maritime negligence.
[0:57:32 – 0:57:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:57:36 – 0:57:52] Adam: they found that one though I’m assuming they did find that one Captain Cameron what are you doing where the hell is this next quote page 16 oh I’m on the wrong page that’s why I got a quote for you
[0:57:54 – 0:58:01] Adam: The sequence of events leading to and immediately following the collision occurred very quickly, all in less than a few minutes.
[0:58:01 – 0:58:08] Adam: When those in the Wilson pilot house saw the Hadley go into her turn, Captain Cameron had to make an immediate decision.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:10] Adam: He had two choices.
[0:58:11 – 0:58:23] Adam: He could order a starboard turn, which might lead to a whaleback grounding in the shallow water, or he could make a tight turn in the same direction that the Hadley was turning and hope there was enough room to avoid the collision.
[0:58:24 – 0:58:25] Adam: He chose the latter.
[0:58:26 – 0:58:29] Adam: Both vessels were sailing at full ahead when they collided.
[0:58:30 – 0:58:35] Adam: The Hadley broadsided the Wilson, her bow driving deep into the Wilson near the farthest aft hatch.
[0:58:36 – 0:58:42] Adam: The Wilson shuddered from the impact, rolled to the port side, and returned to its upright position.
[0:58:43 – 0:58:48] Adam: Water flooded in from the gash, inner side, and the open hatches and filled the boat.
[0:58:48 – 0:58:55] Adam: Similar in effect to running a glass through a sink of dishwater, water gushed into the Hadley as well.
[0:58:57 – 0:58:59] Adam: Yikes.
[0:58:59 – 0:59:02] Adam: So yeah, they just rammed them bad right outside the lift bridge.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:03] Erik: Damn.
[0:59:03 – 0:59:04] Adam: Ridiculous.
[0:59:06 – 0:59:07] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:59:07 – 0:59:10] Adam: It seemed to me from the story that the captain of the Hadley was very old.
[0:59:10 – 0:59:19] Adam: He somehow actually lived to be 75, which in whatever, 1900s, back in them days, that’s like being 200 years old.
[0:59:20 – 0:59:22] Adam: They probably should have revoked his captain license.
[0:59:22 – 0:59:23] Erik: It’s like winning the lottery.
[0:59:24 – 0:59:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:59:24 – 0:59:26] Erik: I’m sure he wasn’t like sober or anything either.
[0:59:27 – 0:59:29] Adam: I forgot all about the other boat.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:31] Adam: Yeah, like maybe he was just drinking a lot.
[0:59:32 – 0:59:43] Adam: Second mate Neil McGilvray recalled an unnerving, almost surreal moment occurring during the Wilson’s final struggle.
[0:59:44 – 0:59:48] Adam: Just before she sank, there was quite an explosion from the boiler house.
[0:59:48 – 0:59:56] Adam: I suppose when the water reached the boilers, he said, gas and steam came out in a cloud, which enveloped some man standing near that part of the boat.
[0:59:57 – 1:00:03] Adam: I did not see the man emerge from the steam, and I do not know what became of him.
[1:00:04 – 1:00:04] UNKNOWN: Creepy.
[1:00:05 – 1:00:07] Adam: He just got steamed.
[1:00:07 – 1:00:09] Erik: Yeah, and then went down with the boat.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:10] Erik: It’s crazy.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:12] Adam: It went down real quick.
[1:00:12 – 1:00:16] Adam: The Wilson did sink very quickly in 70 feet of water upright.
[1:00:17 – 1:00:19] Adam: Nine of the 20 crew drowned.
[1:00:19 – 1:00:20] Adam: One was steamed.
[1:00:21 – 1:00:22] Adam: Once…
[1:00:25 – 1:00:35] Adam: Once it was determined it could not be salvaged, the smokestack and superstructure was removed and apparently remains there and is currently a popular diving spot.
[1:00:36 – 1:00:40] Adam: It’s just right out there, right outside the lift bridge in 70 feet of water.
[1:00:40 – 1:00:41] Adam: There’s a whale back at the bottom.
[1:00:41 – 1:00:42] Adam: That is creepy.
[1:00:43 – 1:00:44] Erik: That would be very creepy.
[1:00:44 – 1:00:45] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:00:46 – 1:00:51] Erik: I don’t think there’s ever going to be a point in my life where I get interested in having a look at that, I don’t think.
[1:00:52 – 1:00:54] Adam: I do want to go on the Hjortus with you.
[1:00:54 – 1:00:58] Adam: I definitely never want to go snorkeling with you or anyone.
[1:00:58 – 1:01:00] Erik: Definitely not at a shipwreck site.
[1:01:01 – 1:01:04] Adam: There’s a ton of good shipwreck diving to be had up here.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:10] Adam: Maybe we should get into scuba, but I guarantee I would rather climb every rickety fire tower in North America than go scuba diving.
[1:01:11 – 1:01:16] Erik: I don’t mind snorkeling right at the surface and maybe a mild dive from time to time, but scuba?
[1:01:16 – 1:01:17] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:22] Adam: You don’t want to go 70 feet down and then come across an old whale back in murky water?
[1:01:22 – 1:01:23] Adam: No.
[1:01:23 – 1:01:24] Adam: I don’t think I need to do that.
[1:01:24 – 1:01:25] Erik: It’s all churned up.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:25] Adam: Yeah.
[1:01:26 – 1:01:26] Adam: No, never mind.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:33] Adam: All right, I got one more passage for you, and that will end this story.
[1:01:33 – 1:01:36] Adam: The days of the whaleback were almost over.
[1:01:36 – 1:01:48] Adam: They would be used in the decades to come, but the construction of new behemoth freighters made the whaleback, with its much smaller cargo capacity and design flaws, obsolete.
[1:01:50 – 1:01:53] Adam: Alexander McDougall died on May 27, 1923, at the age of 78.
[1:01:56 – 1:01:58] Adam: He had built 40 whalebacks during his career.
[1:01:59 – 1:02:10] Adam: The Frank Rockefeller, constructed in 1896, was later renamed the Meteor and was the last of the whalebacks, serving until 1969.
[1:02:11 – 1:02:21] Adam: She was bought by the City of Superior in 1972 and still acts as a museum ship and is the only whaleback still in existence.
[1:02:22 – 1:02:24] Erik: You can see it.
[1:02:24 – 1:02:25] Erik: It’s still there in town.
[1:02:26 – 1:02:28] Adam: It’s right there by Barker’s Island.
[1:02:28 – 1:02:30] Adam: You can go play mini-golf on this thing.
[1:02:31 – 1:02:31] Erik: Can you, though?
[1:02:32 – 1:02:33] Adam: It’s right next to it, at least.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:35] Adam: You can do both in one day.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:38] Erik: Yeah, depending on how clandestine you are about your missed shot.
[1:02:39 – 1:02:44] Erik: You could probably chip one over off of the whale back and claim it was an accident.
[1:02:44 – 1:02:49] Adam: Maybe you could pay extra to be able to do a drive off the top of the whale back like Kelsey Grammer.
[1:02:50 – 1:02:54] Erik: Or like, yes, I got to go over and look for my ball that I lost.
[1:02:55 – 1:02:56] Adam: Well, you’re going to have to buy a ticket.
[1:02:56 – 1:02:58] Adam: It’s $5 to get on the meteor.
[1:02:58 – 1:03:01] Adam: It’s on the back of the whale back, though.
[1:03:02 – 1:03:02] Adam: Do you get to go in it?
[1:03:04 – 1:03:05] Adam: I would assume so.
[1:03:05 – 1:03:11] Adam: Anyways, I don’t want to ever dive to the site of the Thomas Wilson, but I do want to go onto the whaleback meteor.
[1:03:12 – 1:03:12] Erik: We should do that.
[1:03:12 – 1:03:15] Adam: Next time we’re in the Twin Parks, we got to go on the meteor.
[1:03:15 – 1:03:16] Erik: That sounds actually really cool.
[1:03:16 – 1:03:18] Erik: I think I want to see what that looks like.
[1:03:18 – 1:03:21] Adam: I do want to do the Irving tour as well, like when it’s not haunted.
[1:03:21 – 1:03:25] Adam: I’ve been on the haunted boat version, but I want to just do the regular tour of the Irving as well.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:27] Erik: Just stop harassing me.
[1:03:27 – 1:03:28] Erik: I’m just looking around.
[1:03:29 – 1:03:29] Adam: No, no, no.
[1:03:29 – 1:03:31] Adam: What are you doing with that golf club?
[1:03:32 – 1:03:38] Erik: Just looking to take a nice drive off the end of this, try to hit the whale back from here, I think.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:39] Adam: I think I can get a hold of this thing.
[1:03:39 – 1:03:40] Adam: The wind is favorable.
[1:03:40 – 1:03:42] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:03:42 – 1:03:50] Adam: You’ve also been to the Anchor Bar, and I don’t think either one of us have tried the TWA whale back.
[1:03:50 – 1:03:51] Adam: Do you know what’s on that burger?
[1:03:52 – 1:03:53] Erik: This is trivia.
[1:03:53 – 1:03:54] Erik: Onion rings?
[1:03:54 – 1:03:56] Erik: Yeah, this is just secret trivia.
[1:03:56 – 1:03:57] Erik: Onion rings and barbecue sauce?
[1:03:57 – 1:03:58] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:03:58 – 1:03:59] Adam: It is.
[1:03:59 – 1:04:01] Adam: It’s a double bacon cheeseburger with barbecue sauce.
[1:04:02 – 1:04:03] Adam: It’s the TWA Whaleback.
[1:04:03 – 1:04:05] Adam: It doesn’t sound like something I would ever order.
[1:04:06 – 1:04:07] Erik: I would really…
[1:04:07 – 1:04:15] Erik: I think outside of all of the great shipwreck content…
[1:04:16 – 1:04:26] Erik: The biggest question at this point that I have, I think, is who’s ordering these burgers that have barbecue sauce on them?
[1:04:27 – 1:04:27] Adam: Not me.
[1:04:28 – 1:04:29] Erik: I don’t know anybody who’s ordering them.
[1:04:30 – 1:04:31] Adam: Fucking sickos.
[1:04:32 – 1:04:33] Erik: It’s the worst.
[1:04:34 – 1:05:00] Erik: thing to add to a cheeseburger of all time i don’t know though well you said onion ring and honestly that’s the only way i could ever consider it was if it had a big onion ring on there then maybe barbecue sauce would be appropriate no things no no things other meals on cheeseburgers is the greatest affront to the american palate and my general sensibility that i’ve ever seen what about a fried egg on a burger
[1:05:01 – 1:05:04] Erik: That’s about as far as I’ll go, and I still think that’s pushing the limits.
[1:05:04 – 1:05:05] Erik: I’m not super into it.
[1:05:06 – 1:05:09] Erik: I don’t need to get a bunch of hot yolk on my chin when I’m eating a burger.
[1:05:10 – 1:05:13] Erik: There are so many things that get put on burgers that are just like…
[1:05:13 – 1:05:18] Erik: There’s full restaurants based on jacking with a burger.
[1:05:19 – 1:05:20] Erik: It’s great on its own.
[1:05:20 – 1:05:22] Erik: We don’t need to put macaroni and cheese on it.
[1:05:23 – 1:05:24] Erik: We don’t need to put fucking…
[1:05:26 – 1:05:31] Adam: The gas station in town is selling a Guy Fieri burger with mac and cheese on it right now.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:32] Adam: What the hell?
[1:05:32 – 1:05:33] Adam: It’s probably on a fucking pretzel bun too.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:36] Erik: It’s also gas station food.
[1:05:36 – 1:05:38] Adam: It’s also a gas station burger.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:42] Adam: Guy Fieri would be weeping at his grave if he knew what he had done to his picture.
[1:05:42 – 1:05:45] Erik: A gas station burger already looks troubling.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:53] Erik: I couldn’t imagine opening up the foil wrapper on a Guy Fieri mac and cheese burger.
[1:05:54 – 1:05:55] Erik: You might as well just…
[1:05:57 – 1:05:58] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:02] Erik: You couldn’t open that and then still be excited to eat.
[1:06:05 – 1:06:10] Adam: I would rather die than go back to Fisher Roble and eat a mac and cheese burger.
[1:06:12 – 1:06:14] Adam: I would rather shoot my own foot off, Eric.
[1:06:14 – 1:06:15] Erik: I would rather die.
[1:06:15 – 1:06:18] Erik: I would rather die than eat that burger.
[1:06:18 – 1:06:22] Adam: We didn’t even get to talk about the new episode of The Chair Company at all yet.
[1:06:23 – 1:06:32] Adam: Do you think he’s actually an insomniac who’s signing himself up for modeling agency gigs, or is actually somebody pranking him?
[1:06:32 – 1:06:37] Erik: I just hope it doesn’t get too serious in like, actually, he’s a paranoid schizophrenic.
[1:06:37 – 1:06:38] Adam: He’s sleepwalking.
[1:06:40 – 1:06:42] Adam: It’s him in the chair wearing the hockey mask, right?
[1:06:42 – 1:06:45] Erik: It’s a real tale of mental health.
[1:06:45 – 1:06:50] Erik: I’m not opposed to that, but I don’t know if I necessarily want my entertainment to be based on that.
[1:06:50 – 1:06:55] Adam: If it turns out he’s just in a straitjacket at the end of eight episodes, I’ll be pretty disappointed.
[1:06:55 – 1:06:56] Erik: No, I don’t know.
[1:06:56 – 1:06:59] Erik: I think there’s still more going on, obviously, but I love it.
[1:06:59 – 1:07:01] Adam: I think it’s maybe Barb.
[1:07:02 – 1:07:03] Adam: I think maybe it’s his wife messing with him.
[1:07:04 – 1:07:08] Adam: Trying to scare him out of it so it doesn’t turn into another Jeep Tours scenario.
[1:07:08 – 1:07:09] Erik: Are you doing the Jeep Tours again?
[1:07:10 – 1:07:12] Adam: He only built one rope bridge this whole time.
[1:07:13 – 1:07:38] Adam: burned up their whole life savings for one rope bridge oh man yeah i definitely it’s already like i gotta re-watch the whole thing i re-watched uh episode one last night again uh and then i was like oh i’m gonna stay up late and i’m gonna watch all four episodes again and we’re halfway through and i made it through one and i was like you know what i was crying at that jim croce song and i was like i just gotta go to bed yeah
[1:07:39 – 1:07:40] Adam: Got a big night ahead tonight.
[1:07:41 – 1:07:45] Adam: I got a big night ahead book reporting you here on Shipwrecks.
[1:07:45 – 1:07:52] Erik: We’ve had two to three ounces of the 100 milligram grape cannabis infused soda.
[1:07:53 – 1:07:54] Erik: I really don’t know.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:55] Adam: Yeah, how are you feeling?
[1:07:55 – 1:07:59] Erik: It’s like the mac and cheese burger.
[1:07:59 – 1:08:00] Erik: What are you supposed to do with that?
[1:08:01 – 1:08:03] Adam: Well, it does have a nice slider top.
[1:08:03 – 1:08:03] Adam: It’s a can.
[1:08:04 – 1:08:07] Adam: It is a tall boy can, but it doesn’t have just the normal pop top.
[1:08:07 – 1:08:10] Adam: It’s got this slider top thing, so I think you can just throw it in your fridge.
[1:08:11 – 1:08:11] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:08:11 – 1:08:11] Erik: It’s carbonated.
[1:08:12 – 1:08:19] Adam: It’s going to lose that carbonation, but that, I guess, necessarily isn’t why I drink cannabis-infused sodas for the carbonation.
[1:08:19 – 1:08:21] Adam: I would just mix it with something else.
[1:08:21 – 1:08:22] Erik: You could pour it into something else later.
[1:08:22 – 1:08:23] Erik: That’s what I think.
[1:08:23 – 1:08:27] Adam: I think they’re intending where you’re just like, I’m going to pour a little of this in my coffee tomorrow morning.
[1:08:27 – 1:08:28] Erik: What do you think?
[1:08:29 – 1:08:32] Adam: You ever put grape soda in your coffee, Eric?
[1:08:32 – 1:08:34] Erik: Yeah, coffee and grape, that’s a great combo flavor.
[1:08:35 – 1:08:36] Erik: Guy Fieri.
[1:08:36 – 1:08:39] Adam: That’s like macaroni and cheese on a cheeseburger.
[1:08:39 – 1:08:43] Erik: I love that there’s two of these, though.
[1:08:43 – 1:08:45] Erik: Oh, no, I didn’t just open another one.
[1:08:45 – 1:08:46] Adam: See, it’s still got some bubs.
[1:08:46 – 1:08:48] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:08:48 – 1:08:50] Erik: I think you’ve got to pull this backside up again.
[1:08:52 – 1:08:53] Adam: It does reseal okay.
[1:08:54 – 1:08:55] Erik: He’s going for another chug.
[1:08:55 – 1:08:57] Adam: You got time for one more shipwreck in you.
[1:08:58 – 1:08:59] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:08:59 – 1:08:59] Erik: Do you?
[1:08:59 – 1:09:00] Erik: Yeah, I do.
[1:09:01 – 1:09:10] Adam: We still are on the North Shore, and I have to tell you, I get to regale you with the tale of the Benjamin Noble April.
[1:09:11 – 1:09:12] Adam: This is a spring one.
[1:09:12 – 1:09:14] Adam: We’re going out on a spring one.
[1:09:14 – 1:09:16] Adam: April 1914.
[1:09:16 – 1:09:19] Adam: Is World War I going on at this point?
[1:09:20 – 1:09:21] Adam: Is the U.S. in?
[1:09:21 – 1:09:22] Erik: No, not at this point.
[1:09:22 – 1:09:23] Erik: I think it’s just starting.
[1:09:23 – 1:09:24] Adam: Almost.
[1:09:24 – 1:09:26] Adam: This is in the vicinity of two harbors.
[1:09:27 – 1:09:27] Adam: I like this one.
[1:09:27 – 1:09:28] Adam: It’s very vague.
[1:09:31 – 1:09:38] Adam: The first two stories were like harbor disasters, and this one’s just like vicinity of two harbors is how he has it listed.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:39] Adam: Bless Schumacher.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:43] Adam: He’s got a real gift.
[1:09:44 – 1:09:51] Adam: The Noble was a fleet of one for the Capital Transportation Company, and it exclusively hauled one thing.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:53] Adam: Can you take a guess as to the only thing?
[1:09:53 – 1:09:56] Adam: This ship only ever had one thing on it.
[1:09:56 – 1:09:58] Adam: It was not a general merchant hauler.
[1:09:58 – 1:09:59] Erik: This is in 1914?
[1:09:59 – 1:09:59] Erik: Yeah.
[1:10:00 – 1:10:01] Adam: Yeah, 1914.
[1:10:01 – 1:10:05] Erik: Lumber?
[1:10:06 – 1:10:06] Erik: Lumber?
[1:10:07 – 1:10:08] Adam: That’s a good guess.
[1:10:08 – 1:10:13] Adam: It was only hauling iron rails for railroads.
[1:10:14 – 1:10:16] Adam: It was only hauling rails.
[1:10:16 – 1:10:17] Erik: Wow.
[1:10:17 – 1:10:20] Erik: That gets heavy quick, I bet.
[1:10:20 – 1:10:22] Adam: That’s a lot of weight.
[1:10:22 – 1:10:30] Adam: It was a mild winter, which meant that the season got an early start in April, and the first shipment to Duluth was a doozy.
[1:10:31 – 1:10:36] Adam: The boat was obviously overloaded well, well beyond capacity.
[1:10:38 – 1:10:40] Adam: And then it says, I got to show you the picture.
[1:10:41 – 1:10:44] Adam: Here’s the picture of it on that voyage.
[1:10:44 – 1:10:48] Adam: Can you see how it’s literally got like two feet of freeboard?
[1:10:48 – 1:10:50] Adam: Yeah, barely three feet.
[1:10:50 – 1:10:53] Adam: For a boat that size?
[1:10:53 – 1:10:54] Adam: Yeah.
[1:10:54 – 1:10:55] Erik: We’ll be fine.
[1:10:55 – 1:10:57] Erik: This is as long as it doesn’t get windy.
[1:10:58 – 1:10:59] Adam: It won’t get windy.
[1:11:00 – 1:11:08] Adam: Captain John Eisenhardt was the youngest master on the Great Lakes as the 1914 shipping season began.
[1:11:08 – 1:11:09] Erik: He was 12.
[1:11:09 – 1:11:10] Adam: He was 12 years old.
[1:11:11 – 1:11:13] Erik: The boy captain is what they called him.
[1:11:14 – 1:11:16] Adam: They also called him Little Johnny.
[1:11:21 – 1:11:28] Adam: He had previously been the sole survivor of a shipwreck near Manitou Island, and he was known as Captain Johnny.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:32] Erik: He already had survived one shipwreck.
[1:11:32 – 1:11:35] Adam: Yeah, he literally just survived a shipwreck the previous year.
[1:11:35 – 1:11:36] Adam: They fished him out of the water.
[1:11:36 – 1:11:40] Adam: They’re like, we’re making you the next captain because you’re the only one left alive.
[1:11:40 – 1:11:41] Erik: You’re a captain now.
[1:11:44 – 1:11:46] Erik: No, you’re a captain now.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:48] Adam: Now you’re Captain John Eisenhardt.
[1:11:49 – 1:11:54] Adam: They left in reasonable conditions, fully loaded with rails.
[1:11:55 – 1:12:00] Adam: But soon after clearing the Soo Locks, a gale warning for Lake Superior was issued.
[1:12:01 – 1:12:01] Adam: Quote,
[1:12:02 – 1:12:06] Adam: What happened to the Noble is impossible to determine for certain.
[1:12:07 – 1:12:19] Adam: Though several vessels spotted her on the final leg of her journey, the 209-foot Norwalk, a small lumber vessel, sailed a short distance behind the Noble from April 25th through the afternoon of April 27th.
[1:12:21 – 1:12:22] Adam: when she caught up to and passed the Noble.
[1:12:23 – 1:12:33] Adam: The two boats remained within sight of each other through the early morning hours of April 28th, when both were near Knife Island, trying to remain upright and make it to Duluth Harbor.
[1:12:34 – 1:12:50] Adam: The Daniel J. Morrell, a massive 580-foot ore carrier, was in the area, and Captain Millen of the Morrell later reported seeing the two boats barely holding their own in the storm, sailing in proximity of each other until suddenly, with no warning,
[1:12:50 – 1:12:52] Adam: The lights of the trailing vessel disappeared.
[1:12:53 – 1:13:01] Adam: Millen thought nothing of it, given the conditions and the poor visibility, and only mentioned it when the Noble was reported long overdue in Duluth.
[1:13:02 – 1:13:05] Adam: By then, the master of the Norwalk had also expressed concern.
[1:13:06 – 1:13:16] Adam: Another captain of the steamer Lakeport said he had seen what had to be the noble sailing about five miles behind him near two harbors.
[1:13:16 – 1:13:21] Adam: And though the boat’s lights disappeared, the captain held out hope that the boat had reached safe harbor.
[1:13:22 – 1:13:25] Adam: Did it?
[1:13:25 – 1:13:26] Adam: No, sir, it did not.
[1:13:27 – 1:13:30] Adam: Wreckage drifted ashore soon thereafter.
[1:13:30 – 1:13:37] Adam: The captain had never filed a crew manifest, so nobody even knows what happened or how many sailors died on this sinking.
[1:13:38 – 1:13:39] Adam: The best estimate is 20 people dead.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:44] Adam: We got a lot of rails.
[1:13:45 – 1:13:47] Adam: There’s maybe 20 guys working this thing.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:49] Erik: Overloaded with rails.
[1:13:49 – 1:13:51] Erik: Maybe 20 to 40 men on board.
[1:13:52 – 1:13:52] Erik: No names.
[1:13:53 – 1:13:56] Erik: This is the America we’re looking to get back to.
[1:13:56 – 1:13:57] Adam: Just chill out.
[1:13:58 – 1:13:59] Erik: Hey, just chill out.
[1:14:00 – 1:14:01] Adam: Just let us do our shipping.
[1:14:04 – 1:14:07] Erik: So there’s still rails at the bottom of the lake we can go and harvest?
[1:14:07 – 1:14:10] Adam: Yeah, they’re down there.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:12] Erik: A lot of them.
[1:14:12 – 1:14:23] Erik: Well, isn’t that like the thing with Lake Superior is it doesn’t like the water is like so oxygen poor that like things are just preserved down there?
[1:14:23 – 1:14:32] Adam: If they, you know, we know that salvagers, you know, if they feel that they can make money off of the cost of salvaging, we’ll go get that stuff.
[1:14:33 – 1:14:33] Erik: Yeah.
[1:14:33 – 1:14:37] Erik: Not to say that steel rails are going to ever go bad really anywhere.
[1:14:38 – 1:14:39] Adam: I think it’s maritime law.
[1:14:39 – 1:14:40] Adam: Anybody can get those rails up.
[1:14:40 – 1:14:42] Adam: Those are now yours, finders keepers.
[1:14:43 – 1:14:44] Erik: If ghost ship taught us anything.
[1:14:44 – 1:14:46] Erik: Yeah, it’s maritime law.
[1:14:46 – 1:14:47] Erik: Maritime law.
[1:14:47 – 1:14:48] Adam: Finders keepers.
[1:14:49 – 1:14:52] Adam: The noble’s end had been a violent one.
[1:14:52 – 1:15:01] Adam: It plowed into the lake bottom with tremendous force, the bow carving out a swath about 60 feet deep, stopping only when the vessel hit bedrock.
[1:15:01 – 1:15:07] Adam: The bow, completely buried in mud, pointed in the general direction of two harbors.
[1:15:08 – 1:15:12] Adam: The aft cabin had imploded, and there was widespread wreckage scattered around the boat.
[1:15:13 – 1:15:17] Adam: No conclusions, however, could be drawn from the evidence about what sank the Noble.
[1:15:18 – 1:15:25] Adam: Merriman believed the overloading… Merriman’s somebody who was studying this case, I guess.
[1:15:25 – 1:15:27] Adam: I should mention that since I just said his name.
[1:15:28 – 1:15:42] Adam: He believed that overloading and reduced freeboard in the storm contributed significantly to the sinking, but the underwater wreckage, along with the mysterious contradictory speculation given by so-called witnesses, defied a final explanation.
[1:15:43 – 1:15:49] Adam: The Benjamin Noble and the unfortunate souls aboard her left questions that would never be answered.
[1:15:49 – 1:15:52] Adam: So yeah, a bunch of people on shore claim to see it go down too.
[1:15:53 – 1:16:00] Adam: I mean, how many people are in the area of Two Harbors looking out at the ocean, the sea, you know, in a storm?
[1:16:00 – 1:16:02] Erik: The vicinity of Two Harbors?
[1:16:02 – 1:16:03] Erik: Yeah, I have no idea.
[1:16:03 – 1:16:03] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:16:03 – 1:16:04] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:16:04 – 1:16:06] Erik: It looked like there was maybe like 20, 40 guys on there.
[1:16:07 – 1:16:07] Erik: Couldn’t really tell.
[1:16:08 – 1:16:13] Erik: But I was down there having a picnic, and, yeah, it slammed right, man, it slammed right into the bottom of the lake.
[1:16:14 – 1:16:15] Adam: Yeah, a bunch of people claimed to see it.
[1:16:15 – 1:16:19] Adam: But ultimately, like, so there was some people out looking for something.
[1:16:19 – 1:16:20] Adam: They were looking for a different boat, actually.
[1:16:21 – 1:16:24] Adam: And they had, like, this was, like, 2004 when they found it?
[1:16:26 – 1:16:26] Erik: Not too long ago.
[1:16:27 – 1:16:28] Erik: That was the first time it was found?
[1:16:28 – 1:16:29] Erik: Yeah.
[1:16:29 – 1:16:32] Adam: So it was a ghost boat for a long, long time.
[1:16:32 – 1:16:34] Adam: It went down in 1914.
[1:16:34 – 1:16:35] Adam: It was, yeah, like, almost a…
[1:16:36 – 1:16:41] Erik: Boat stops becoming a ghost boat is when its wreckage gets found.
[1:16:42 – 1:16:43] Erik: It’s like releasing it.
[1:16:43 – 1:16:45] Adam: Yeah, once you know where it is, then…
[1:16:47 – 1:16:47] Adam: Correct.
[1:16:48 – 1:16:51] Adam: For 90 years, the Noble was a ghost ship.
[1:16:51 – 1:17:04] Adam: In October 2004, a crew of shipwrecked hunters spotted something large on their side-scan sonar in 360 feet of water near where the Daniel J. Morrell had reported seeing the lights disappear.
[1:17:04 – 1:17:08] Adam: I wonder if the Morrell was involved in this, too.
[1:17:09 – 1:17:10] Erik: Should it eventually go down?
[1:17:10 – 1:17:12] Erik: Like, all these little interconnected stories of…
[1:17:13 – 1:17:17] Erik: Boats seeing other boats sink and then sinking themselves.
[1:17:18 – 1:17:23] Erik: It’s like a little small town interpersonal.
[1:17:23 – 1:17:27] Adam: Up until recently, mostly they didn’t retire boats.
[1:17:27 – 1:17:28] Adam: They just eventually sank.
[1:17:28 – 1:17:30] Erik: Just keep running it until it sinks.
[1:17:30 – 1:17:31] Adam: Basically, yeah.
[1:17:31 – 1:17:33] Adam: Retiring boats is kind of a new thing.
[1:17:34 – 1:17:45] Erik: Yeah, well, basically I would assume only due to the fact that it probably either cuts into costs or has finally been so detrimental to the environment that they have to just stop moving them.
[1:17:46 – 1:17:46] Erik: Yeah.
[1:17:49 – 1:17:52] Adam: So, yeah, they did find it, though, which is nice.
[1:17:52 – 1:17:54] Adam: Yeah, but they were looking for something else.
[1:17:54 – 1:18:01] Adam: And the story of the salvage guys or whatever was that it was the it was like they had a 10 day window to be out there looking.
[1:18:01 – 1:18:05] Adam: And it was like the last afternoon of the last day.
[1:18:06 – 1:18:10] Adam: They had like two hours of daylight left when they got the ping on the side scan.
[1:18:10 – 1:18:12] Adam: Can you imagine how exciting that would have been?
[1:18:12 – 1:18:21] Adam: You’re out there for 10 days dragging a little mini whale back behind you with sonar coming out of it, and then the 10th day at the last hour, doink.
[1:18:23 – 1:18:26] Erik: So they marked it, and then did they send people down to look at it?
[1:18:26 – 1:18:28] Adam: It was like a calm day, too, so they were able to send down a camera.
[1:18:28 – 1:18:29] Adam: Nice.
[1:18:30 – 1:18:32] Adam: And the camera immediately saw rails.
[1:18:33 – 1:18:34] Erik: Wow, yeah.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:34] Erik: And they were like…
[1:18:35 – 1:18:36] Adam: holy shit, that’s rails.
[1:18:36 – 1:18:38] Erik: Yeah, it’s all rails all the way down.
[1:18:38 – 1:18:39] Erik: It’s the Noble.
[1:18:39 – 1:18:40] Erik: Wow, nice.
[1:18:40 – 1:18:49] Adam: And they basically knew immediately and got good enough footage to prove it was the Noble, and then they went back in the spring and actually sent, I don’t know, a mini sub down or something.
[1:18:50 – 1:18:51] Adam: Got more footage.
[1:18:51 – 1:18:54] Erik: Yeah, and then just made a bowl of the cash.
[1:18:55 – 1:18:58] Adam: I don’t know that, yeah, they pulled up all those rails, baby.
[1:18:58 – 1:18:59] Erik: One rail at a time.
[1:19:00 – 1:19:02] Adam: The rails were all made of gold.
[1:19:03 – 1:19:04] Erik: The golden rails.
[1:19:06 – 1:19:08] Adam: I don’t think that any of the rails were pulled up.
[1:19:08 – 1:19:10] Adam: It’s 360 feet of water.
[1:19:10 – 1:19:15] Adam: I don’t know what kind of winch you’d have to get, and you’d have to have a diver down there attaching the winch properly.
[1:19:15 – 1:19:16] Erik: Well, so it’s rails.
[1:19:17 – 1:19:18] Erik: How would you even attach that?
[1:19:18 – 1:19:38] Adam: nobody’s even building new rails uh now they’re all doing magnet trains i think it’s all 3d printed anyways they don’t need them they’re just leave them down there but i don’t know how many people are going down there i don’t know how like public i tried to like find the location of the noble and i didn’t look that hard but i wasn’t able to like it’s not easily just it’s not on google map
[1:19:39 – 1:19:41] Erik: I wonder why.
[1:19:41 – 1:19:43] Erik: It’s not that easy to get to even if you knew where it was.
[1:19:43 – 1:19:44] Adam: Yeah, like…
[1:19:45 – 1:19:50] Erik: It’s not like giving up the information on where the largest tree is because you’re afraid somebody might cut it down.
[1:19:51 – 1:19:54] Adam: But, you know, it is a gravesite, I guess.
[1:19:54 – 1:19:56] Adam: They probably don’t want people…
[1:19:56 – 1:19:58] Adam: They don’t want people to dive to the Edmund Fitzgerald anymore.
[1:19:58 – 1:20:05] Adam: This was discovered in the era where now they understand that we shouldn’t be letting people dive on this anymore.
[1:20:05 – 1:20:11] Adam: Back in the 70s when the Fitzgerald went down, they’re like, I guess Jacques Cousteau can go down there and poke at it with a stick.
[1:20:12 – 1:20:13] Erik: There’s a water slide out back.
[1:20:15 – 1:20:21] Adam: So, I don’t think, I don’t know if it’s not, I wonder if you’re allowed to dive to it or not, but it’s not, like, easily available.
[1:20:21 – 1:20:24] Adam: I’m sure if you really wanted to find out, you could figure out right where it is.
[1:20:24 – 1:20:27] Erik: Yeah, if you’re in the world of divers, it’s probably pretty well known.
[1:20:27 – 1:20:29] Erik: But, like, the general public, it’s like, you know.
[1:20:30 – 1:20:32] Adam: Public doesn’t get to know this information.
[1:20:32 – 1:20:32] Adam: Yeah.
[1:20:33 – 1:20:34] Adam: It’s in the vicinity of Two Harbors.
[1:20:34 – 1:20:35] Adam: That’s good enough.
[1:20:35 – 1:20:36] Erik: Yeah.
[1:20:36 – 1:20:36] Erik: Yeah.
[1:20:38 – 1:20:43] Erik: Going to this fall’s Coldwater Shipwreck Divers Symposium.
[1:20:43 – 1:20:44] Erik: That’s where you learn about that stuff.
[1:20:44 – 1:20:47] Erik: There’s like the 50 people that go to that conference.
[1:20:48 – 1:20:49] Adam: Yeah, you can come with us.
[1:20:49 – 1:20:52] Adam: If you want volunteers or intern next year, you can come with.
[1:20:52 – 1:20:55] Erik: Yeah, and then maybe two years from now, you can actually dive.
[1:20:56 – 1:20:57] Erik: If you’re good.
[1:20:57 – 1:21:00] Erik: If you’re good enough and you keep the oxygen pumping or whatever.
[1:21:01 – 1:21:02] Adam: All right.
[1:21:02 – 1:21:07] Adam: We’re going to leave it there for part one of too much C’s for their decks.
[1:21:08 – 1:21:09] Adam: Thank you, Michael Schumacher, for the book.
[1:21:09 – 1:21:13] Adam: That is source material will be linked in the show notes, I assume.
[1:21:13 – 1:21:16] Adam: I assume.
[1:21:16 – 1:21:17] Adam: It’s going to be linked in there.
[1:21:17 – 1:21:19] Adam: Eric’s very good at what he does.
[1:21:20 – 1:21:25] Adam: There is a lot of THC product on this table.
[1:21:26 – 1:21:27] Erik: Jones left.
[1:21:27 – 1:21:28] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:21:28 – 1:21:30] Adam: This might take us a week.
[1:21:31 – 1:21:34] Adam: We have to finish it by the time we go to the airport.
[1:21:34 – 1:21:40] Adam: Thank you to Mad Sativa for the stack of cash and the grape soda.
[1:21:41 – 1:21:43] Adam: Thank you to Mike and Josh.
[1:21:43 – 1:21:46] Adam: I do hope you made it to Davis.
[1:21:46 – 1:21:47] Adam: Thank you for the challenge coins.
[1:21:47 – 1:21:49] Adam: I’m going to be hanging on to that.
[1:21:50 – 1:21:53] Adam: I’m going to keep that one in my back pocket at all times so I don’t get like…
[1:21:54 – 1:21:56] Adam: ever shipped to Guantanamo or something.
[1:21:56 – 1:22:02] Adam: No matter what crazy, heinous stuff we say on this podcast, they’ll never be able to send us to Guantanamo now, Eric.
[1:22:02 – 1:22:02] Erik: No.
[1:22:02 – 1:22:06] Erik: I mean, even if we do get shipped there, as soon as you pull this coin out.
[1:22:06 – 1:22:07] Adam: We made a mistake, boys.
[1:22:07 – 1:22:09] Adam: Send them back to Minnesota.
[1:22:09 – 1:22:10] Erik: Exactly.
[1:22:11 – 1:22:13] Adam: But thank you very much for these beers.
[1:22:13 – 1:22:15] Adam: I didn’t even get to the second beer.
[1:22:16 – 1:22:17] Adam: It was a very busy episode.
[1:22:17 – 1:22:22] Adam: I still got a beer with cats on it, and I’m about to finish off this dog and boat.
[1:22:23 – 1:22:24] Adam: It was very good.
[1:22:24 – 1:22:25] Adam: This is a 9%.
[1:22:27 – 1:22:36] Adam: If this was… That’d be like having a 9,000% beer, ABV, if the comparison to this strawberry or grape soda to…
[1:22:37 – 1:22:40] Adam: It’s going off the tape.
[1:22:41 – 1:22:43] Adam: Yeah, 1,000 milligrams?
[1:22:44 – 1:22:45] Adam: It seems insane.
[1:22:46 – 1:22:52] Adam: But yeah, you’re only allowed… You get a beer, but you’re only allowed to have it one sip once a day.