Episode Transcript
[0:00:33 – 0:00:36] Adam: The wind’s a-rattling The limbs in the trees
[0:01:00 – 0:01:00] Erik: Are shaken.
[0:01:02 – 0:01:04] Erik: The leaves are pretty much all gone.
[0:01:05 – 0:01:11] Erik: They got all blown off in the wind and the cold and the snow.
[0:01:12 – 0:01:13] Erik: There was some sleet.
[0:01:13 – 0:01:14] Erik: And the rain.
[0:01:16 – 0:01:16] Erik: And the god.
[0:01:16 – 0:01:19] Erik: What has happened to September?
[0:01:22 – 0:01:25] Erik: The last three have just been crap.
[0:01:26 – 0:01:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:28 – 0:01:47] Erik: wind cold rain no sun november it’s the new september yeah it’s just flipped yeah it has secrets out on november god i hope how does new paddling month we’re gonna have to extend the regular season that’s fine they can come up here if they want november nobody’s gonna be around that’s when everybody leaves
[0:01:47 – 0:01:48] Adam: Gotta be self-sufficient.
[0:01:48 – 0:01:51] Erik: I’ll be on my hot air balloon trip by then.
[0:01:52 – 0:01:58] Adam: Tumble Home is, as always, sponsored by our good friends on Patreon.
[0:01:59 – 0:02:01] Adam: They’re making this thing happen.
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[0:02:06 – 0:02:13] Adam: It also goes towards servers and Eric’s fancy hair gels.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:16] Adam: Gotta look good in the studio.
[0:02:16 – 0:02:19] Erik: You know how much wind there is up at hot air balloon height?
[0:02:19 – 0:02:20] Adam: I know.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:26] Adam: But seriously, we would not be doing the show without you.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:28] Adam: Thank you for your support.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:30] Adam: We are eternally grateful.
[0:02:30 – 0:02:32] Erik: Greatly appreciated.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:38] Adam: Episode 076 is also sponsored by the beer of the week.
[0:02:38 – 0:02:44] Adam: Yeah, it wouldn’t be an episode of Tomahawk without some fine beer in studio here.
[0:02:44 – 0:02:49] Adam: And this week we have the Juice Packets India Pale Ale.
[0:02:51 – 0:02:53] Adam: It’s from the fermentorium.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:23] Adam: that was that was a scary witch that was a fermentorium goblin and chaser from bob thanks bob thank you bob oh bob from uh twin peaks obviously tis the season it is the spooky season him
[0:03:24 – 0:03:29] Adam: Whenever I look just to the right, there he is in the woods.
[0:03:30 – 0:03:32] Adam: Welcome to White Lodge.
[0:03:34 – 0:03:37] Erik: White Lodge has something to tell you, Eric.
[0:03:37 – 0:03:39] Erik: Cedarburg, Wisconsin brew.
[0:03:39 – 0:03:40] Adam: That was a Twin Peaks reference.
[0:03:41 – 0:03:42] Erik: Juice packets.
[0:03:42 – 0:03:43] Erik: Juice packets.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:44] Erik: Oh, delicious.
[0:03:44 – 0:03:45] Erik: Juicy.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:48] Erik: Maybe one of the juiciest IPAs.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:49] Adam: Better be.
[0:03:49 – 0:03:50] Adam: Scary juicy.
[0:03:51 – 0:03:52] Adam: So juicy this thing needs a jack.
[0:03:55 – 0:03:55] Adam: Cedarburg?
[0:03:55 – 0:03:56] Adam: Where the heck’s Cedarburg?
[0:03:56 – 0:03:57] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:03:57 – 0:03:58] Erik: You’re from Wisconsin.
[0:03:58 – 0:03:59] Erik: You tell me.
[0:04:00 – 0:04:01] Adam: Who knows?
[0:04:02 – 0:04:03] Erik: Who knows?
[0:04:03 – 0:04:04] Erik: Who’s to say?
[0:04:10 – 0:04:11] Erik: Well, it is delicious either way.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:18] Adam: This week on Tumble Home, we are into part two of Paddling Partners.
[0:04:18 – 0:04:19] Adam: Howdy, partners.
[0:04:20 – 0:04:21] Adam: Howdy.
[0:04:22 – 0:04:26] Adam: I reckon we’re going to talk about the stern paddlers this week.
[0:04:26 – 0:04:28] Erik: The ones that truly matter.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:34] Adam: I would argue each of the bow and stern paddler is important.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:35] Adam: Yes.
[0:04:36 – 0:04:40] Adam: But yes, generally you will put your more skilled paddler in the stern.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:40] Adam: Am I wrong?
[0:04:41 – 0:05:08] Erik: no skilled in terms of navigation and navigation yeah well pointing the the canoe in the right direction absolutely whether or not the person in the front is a skilled paddler at doing that whether you yeah whether you like there is something to be said for setting the tempo up front yes that tempo comes into play but like actually navigating the canoe and putting it in the right direction right it’s it’s a it’s simple physics yeah i mean it come from the back
[0:05:09 – 0:05:28] Adam: it will that’s just the way it is so um you know i i like to i like to paddle up in the bow i also enjoy paddling the stern um but you know i i don’t know i i think there’s there’s enjoyable parts about both i don’t know if i have a favorite
[0:05:29 – 0:05:32] Erik: Yeah, I have a favorite just because I’m so used to it now.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:35] Erik: It’s tough for me to sit up front, for sure.
[0:05:35 – 0:05:38] Adam: I guess what’s more important to me is that I’m a left.
[0:05:38 – 0:05:40] Adam: Yes, that is also…
[0:05:40 – 0:05:41] Adam: I’m a left paddle.
[0:05:41 – 0:05:49] Erik: Yes, and I can go more both ways more than I ever have before, but I’m most happy on my right.
[0:05:50 – 0:05:50] Adam: Right.
[0:05:50 – 0:05:51] Adam: That’s why we work so well together.
[0:05:52 – 0:05:52] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[0:05:53 – 0:05:57] Erik: I mean, we had somebody like last year when we talked about how we paddled on the same side for a month.
[0:05:57 – 0:05:59] Erik: They’re like, you guys are crazy.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:00] Adam: You’re crazy.
[0:06:01 – 0:06:02] Adam: Switching all loosey goosey.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:06] Adam: Do you just write in a letter to your grandma, switch hands?
[0:06:07 – 0:06:29] Adam: all right you’re chopping onions you’re chopping onions for a chowder you just switch to the left all of a sudden no you either yeah you have a knife hand you have a you have a paddle hand a blade hand for me i shoot left in hockey i cut with a right and i paddle left that’s just the way i’m i’m a lefty in the paddle what hand do you stab with
[0:06:30 – 0:06:58] Adam: right yeah i stab all day with the right me too natalie is a right paddler and so we work well together yeah immediately knew when i paddled with natalie because she was paddling on the she chose to paddle on the right unprompted and i just paddled on the left fit naturally and uh she’s had a really great rhythm just steady and she is she just has a steady temperament yeah i love you honey i hope you’re listening
[0:06:59 – 0:07:11] Adam: are you listening this is the only time i get to talk to you and uh when i paddle with eric eric also is a right paddler i’m a left so it works out fine i’ve never run into you don’t run into a lot of lefters
[0:07:12 – 0:07:35] Adam: no you don’t you are rare you’re uh rare i’m like a left winger i’m like a multi-winger come down to a fantasy hockey yeah it always comes back to fantasy sports yeah so my paddle right stab right bludgeon left yeah uh so that’s the question of the week is uh what makes a good paddling partner
[0:07:36 – 0:07:40] Erik: Yes, and group dynamics overall, general conversation.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:46] Erik: We got into it a little bit last week, probably mostly from our end.
[0:07:46 – 0:07:48] Adam: Yeah, we heard from our friends on Facebook.
[0:07:49 – 0:07:55] Adam: We opened up the Reddit and realized there’s no way we’re going to fit them into the first part of the episode.
[0:07:55 – 0:07:59] Adam: So we had already decided we’re going to break this episode into bow and stern paddling.
[0:08:00 – 0:08:03] Adam: Just as more of a metaphor for the entire canoe, really.
[0:08:03 – 0:08:04] Adam: We were joking around, too.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:06] Adam: We could have a third part eventually for Duffers.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:07] Adam: Duffers?
[0:08:07 – 0:08:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:08 – 0:08:09] Adam: Just a 20-minute?
[0:08:09 – 0:08:10] Adam: IR seat.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:14] Adam: Part three, episode 77, Duffers.
[0:08:14 – 0:08:15] Adam: I like to sit in the middle.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:19] Adam: I like to sit in the middle and really lead the cheer.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:20] Adam: You can do it.
[0:08:21 – 0:08:28] Adam: Of course, we do want to hear about the group dynamics on a trip that worked well, but also on a trip that didn’t work out so well.
[0:08:29 – 0:08:56] Adam: nightmare scenarios that’s next week and that’s coming up in episode 78 nightmare scenarios and then we’re going to close the season out with the spooktacular of course make sure you get in on that go check it out on reddit get your responses in or send us an email tumblehomecast at gmail.com send us a voicemail have you seen a ghost have you seen a ufo have you seen the tic-tac
[0:08:58 – 0:09:00] Erik: Have you snapped your femur out on Boulder?
[0:09:01 – 0:09:02] Erik: All of those things.
[0:09:02 – 0:09:07] Adam: Has your canoe flooded away from you while you’re preparing the hash browns in the morning?
[0:09:08 – 0:09:10] Adam: Or in the middle of the night, even scarier.
[0:09:10 – 0:09:11] Adam: Don’t know which direction I went.
[0:09:12 – 0:09:12] Adam: Didn’t see it leave.
[0:09:13 – 0:09:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:09:13 – 0:09:15] Erik: Have you broken every yoke?
[0:09:21 – 0:09:26] Adam: And then, of course, the season finale coming up in several months.
[0:09:27 – 0:09:28] Adam: Several months!
[0:09:29 – 0:09:30] Adam: Get your responses in on that.
[0:09:31 – 0:09:33] Adam: We’re talking your highlights of the season.
[0:09:33 – 0:09:34] Adam: What’d you do?
[0:09:34 – 0:09:35] Adam: What’d you learn?
[0:09:36 – 0:09:36] Adam: Where’d you go?
[0:09:36 – 0:09:39] Adam: We want to hear it all on Tumble Home.
[0:09:41 – 0:09:43] Adam: But let’s jump into the action, shall we, Eric?
[0:09:43 – 0:09:45] Erik: Right back into the action.
[0:09:47 – 0:09:47] Erik: Yes.
[0:09:48 – 0:09:53] Adam: I’m never going to be able to say her name again without picturing you floating in a hot air balloon.
[0:09:53 – 0:09:56] Erik: Well, I might need to kind of start taking some step backs from the friendship then.
[0:09:56 – 0:09:58] Erik: Because he’s the man of the air.
[0:09:59 – 0:09:59] Adam: No.
[0:09:59 – 0:10:01] Adam: He’s got a hot air balloon.
[0:10:01 – 0:10:02] Erik: I don’t like it.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:02] Erik: Wow.
[0:10:03 – 0:10:04] Adam: 20 points.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:05] Adam: Time-lapse chef.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:06] Adam: 20 points.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:08] Adam: Holy moly.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:09] Adam: That’s absolutely a new record.
[0:10:09 – 0:10:13] Adam: I think we have to actually, we should probably commemorate.
[0:10:14 – 0:10:15] Adam: Holy moly, 20 points?
[0:10:16 – 0:10:17] Adam: We’ve got to get a cheers to that.
[0:10:17 – 0:10:18] Adam: All right, juice packets.
[0:10:18 – 0:10:20] Adam: Juice packets to you, time-lapse chef.
[0:10:23 – 0:10:24] Adam: All right, I’m going to go ahead and take this one.
[0:10:26 – 0:10:27] Adam: 20 points.
[0:10:28 – 0:10:30] Adam: Having mates who are knowledgeable is always a plus.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:36] Adam: But hands down, the most important quality in a partner’s is good optimistic attitude.
[0:10:37 – 0:10:40] Adam: Things don’t always go according to plan in the BWCA.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:46] Adam: Weather, campsites being taken, meal times, injuries, difficult portages, etc.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:54] Adam: Partners who don’t get bogged down by the hard parts, who remember it’s just nice being up there, make trips worthwhile for me.
[0:10:56 – 0:10:56] Adam: 20 points.
[0:10:56 – 0:10:59] Adam: Let’s give him another point for our new friend.
[0:10:59 – 0:11:01] Erik: Sure, we have the opportunity to do that.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:03] Erik: 21 points.
[0:11:04 – 0:11:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:07] Erik: I like the last…
[0:11:09 – 0:11:09] Erik: Sentiment.
[0:11:10 – 0:11:12] Erik: It’s just nice being up there.
[0:11:13 – 0:11:14] Erik: It’s just nice being out there.
[0:11:15 – 0:11:17] Erik: There’s a group that came into Clearwater…
[0:11:19 – 0:11:45] Erik: last week or so uh going out into some generally nasty weather they knew that they were getting themselves into it they drove up from the cities anyway yeah and it’s like yeah we’re gonna end up going out to rose lake sitting in snow wind and rain for four days but beats the hell out of pretty much anything else we know what we’re getting ourselves into i was just thinking about on uh
[0:11:45 – 0:12:10] Adam: earlier today before we recorded i was thinking about we were just paddling across pan lake remember pan lake was that the lake where they were getting that like slight drizzle the persistent yeah mist what is this thing yeah and at the time we were like what the hell is this persistent drizzle persistent drizzle i was driving over here you know and i’m like man that was awesome
[0:12:10 – 0:12:14] Adam: By the time, I was annoyed by this drizzle.
[0:12:14 – 0:12:17] Adam: Who cares?
[0:12:17 – 0:12:20] Adam: I think we were both heckling the weather at that point.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:24] Adam: We were also doing it in a playful way, too.
[0:12:24 – 0:12:26] Adam: We weren’t letting it ruin our trip by any means.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:30] Adam: And, uh, it was a great day and that being a really great day.
[0:12:30 – 0:12:31] Adam: That’s the point.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:36] Adam: You just gotta, you know, stay on the sunny side, even when it’s sunny.
[0:12:36 – 0:12:44] Erik: I think we’ve had this conversation before where like a lot of those nicer days don’t, yeah, they’re great when you’re in them, but you don’t remember them as much.
[0:12:44 – 0:13:12] Erik: you remember those maniacally laughing persistent drizzles or two days gypsy camped around the smoky campfire sipping on constant comment tea trying to conserve rations watching the lumbering waves go by yeah like those are much more real memories than you know sunshine lollipops and blue skies everywhere
[0:13:14 – 0:13:15] Erik: Did I just William Shatner that song?
[0:13:17 – 0:13:18] Adam: You absolutely did.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:19] Adam: And you nailed it.
[0:13:19 – 0:13:20] Erik: Loon Paddler.
[0:13:22 – 0:13:22] Erik: My son!
[0:13:24 – 0:13:25] Erik: Exclamation point.
[0:13:27 – 0:13:27] Erik: Wow.
[0:13:27 – 0:13:27] Erik: Wow.
[0:13:49 – 0:13:50] Erik: First year in…
[0:14:12 – 0:14:15] Erik: The first year in, I bought him a nice wood paddle.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:24] Erik: To this day, he brings that paddle in with him, and although it is too short for him, now he always starts and finishes the trip using that paddle.
[0:14:26 – 0:14:26] Erik: That’s awesome.
[0:14:26 – 0:14:36] Erik: Yeah, the response, I don’t know if there’s anything else I can say besides the response from this person, which is, this post makes me very happy.
[0:14:37 – 0:14:39] Adam: Yeah, that’s a super wholesome response.
[0:14:40 – 0:14:43] Erik: Yeah, I hope to get to experience something like this someday.
[0:14:43 – 0:14:47] Erik: Yeah, I can’t relate to that at all, Loon Paddler.
[0:14:48 – 0:14:50] Erik: To be honest with you, I can’t.
[0:14:51 – 0:14:53] Erik: To be out there with my son.
[0:14:53 – 0:15:01] Erik: I’ve had some experiences with my father out there, but we haven’t done nearly as much paddling as it sounds like you guys have almost every year.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:06] Erik: We’ve got some of our own things, but to be able to have that relationship…
[0:15:07 – 0:15:27] Adam: under the realm of the boundary waters that sounds pretty awesome yeah that’s a paddling partner right there acts of kindness nine points i like when they know the j stroke yeah so you’re looking for a stern paddler too
[0:15:29 – 0:15:30] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:15:30 – 0:15:34] Adam: You don’t even need to have… That was the entirety of the post either.
[0:15:34 – 0:15:35] Adam: I’m not just rambling.
[0:15:35 – 0:15:36] Adam: No, that was it.
[0:15:36 – 0:15:37] Adam: That was it.
[0:15:37 – 0:15:39] Adam: I like when they know the J-stroke.
[0:15:39 – 0:15:40] Erik: I like the big ones.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:43] Erik: I also like the really sharp responses too.
[0:15:43 – 0:15:45] Adam: Nine points and well-earned.
[0:15:46 – 0:15:48] Adam: And it doesn’t have to be a perfect J-stroke either.
[0:15:50 – 0:15:51] Adam: I don’t think there’s such a thing.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:52] Adam: As long as it gets the job done.
[0:15:53 – 0:15:54] Adam: And you can’t notice it too much.
[0:15:55 – 0:15:58] Adam: But if you can notice it too much, that means you’re not being efficient either.
[0:15:58 – 0:16:23] Erik: you’re doing it too infrequently yeah and then people it’ll wear yourself out yeah so it’s a balance of deciding when to initiate the j-stroke right and when to just do a straightforward paddle and you can tell you’re like i missed it missed it but i needed a j-stroke yeah i gotta do a big one yeah now i gotta really yeah lean into this next one basically ruddering now i’m yeah exactly
[0:16:23 – 0:16:23] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:24 – 0:16:26] Erik: I like when they know how to J-stroke.
[0:16:26 – 0:16:29] Adam: Great response.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:31] Adam: Does anybody really know how to J-stroke?
[0:16:32 – 0:16:39] Erik: I mean, I think a lot of people do, but I think it’s one of those things where you have to make it your own to a certain extent.
[0:16:39 – 0:16:42] Adam: Mine’s kind of inverted, like it’s completely wrong.
[0:16:44 – 0:17:08] Erik: mine’s like mine changes like I will if I’m focusing on it I’ll do like the proper like turn the thumb down really do it but like a lot of times I get lazy and just like go off the gunnel you know and not turn my wrist down but it’s just one of those things it depends on what the wind’s doing yeah I think we were was this last episode we were talking about this I think I quoted was this North Bond Paddler
[0:17:10 – 0:17:11] Erik: Who this response is from.
[0:17:12 – 0:17:12] Erik: Oh.
[0:17:12 – 0:17:16] Erik: It’s always good to have a partner that is willing to embrace the suck.
[0:17:16 – 0:17:18] Adam: Is Northbound Paddler a time traveler?
[0:17:18 – 0:17:23] Adam: How do they get into our conscience last week?
[0:17:23 – 0:17:25] Adam: That was a whole week ago.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:27] Erik: This is honestly our first time through these responses.
[0:17:28 – 0:17:32] Erik: Because sometimes the sun ain’t shining and the birds ain’t chirping.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:38] Erik: You need a sense of urgency and the willingness to just put your head down and paddle onward in some situations.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:43] Erik: At the same time, a happy-go-lucky partner can make a trip so much better.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:48] Erik: If someone can be both of these things, they’re definitely a clear winner.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:56] Erik: If you can’t find a person to fit your own BWCA style, don’t forget that solo trips can be blissful in the right circumstances.
[0:17:57 – 0:17:57] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:59 – 0:18:00] Erik: To each their own.
[0:18:00 – 0:18:08] Erik: This is, you know, it’s probably comparable to like, what do you find in a good wife?
[0:18:09 – 0:18:14] Erik: Like, yeah, that’s going to really just kind of be what makes sense for you.
[0:18:15 – 0:18:21] Erik: If you are a kind of person who travels the park in a certain kind of way, maybe you’re not going to get along with me in a canoe.
[0:18:22 – 0:18:23] Erik: That’s just the way it’s going to be.
[0:18:24 – 0:18:45] Adam: right i mean i would say i like to do trips with natalie and i also like to take trips with you i’m sure there’s lots of people listening to the show that would not like to be on a trip with me though probably that’s fine for me yeah exactly that’s fine i mean i think i do talk too much maybe you should try listening once in a while adam
[0:18:46 – 0:19:09] Erik: i’m just saying i think that this conversation isn’t one that we’re trying to find a for sure answer on i just think that oh there’s no right answer here obviously i think that we’ve laid out in the bow episode communication and expectations you can never go wrong with those things yeah it always helps yeah you can’t screw it up by doing that but like even then yeah you get out there you’d be like hey i don’t like fishing well i love fishing
[0:19:09 – 0:19:13] Adam: Okay, well, we’re probably never going to be good Boundary Waters paddlers together.
[0:19:14 – 0:19:15] Erik: Yeah, oh well.
[0:19:15 – 0:19:18] Erik: It’s like, yeah, I really like walking on the beach.
[0:19:18 – 0:19:20] Erik: The beach is dumb and I think…
[0:19:21 – 0:19:22] Erik: Covered in litter.
[0:19:22 – 0:19:23] Erik: Yeah, you should just cover them in tar.
[0:19:24 – 0:19:27] Erik: Well, then maybe that’s not a good life partner.
[0:19:27 – 0:19:28] Erik: It’s the same kind of conversation.
[0:19:30 – 0:19:30] Adam: Smoke chaser.
[0:19:31 – 0:19:32] Adam: Nine points.
[0:19:33 – 0:19:39] Adam: A good paddling partner is one who can enjoy the quiet of a morning in the wilderness.
[0:19:39 – 0:19:44] Adam: Someone who doesn’t feel the need to fill a good silence with unnecessary talking.
[0:19:46 – 0:19:53] Adam: Someone who is able to paddle the length of a lake without a word and then share with you a smile at the portage that says it all.
[0:19:54 – 0:20:02] Adam: Also, someone who doesn’t mind saying yes to shooting that small rapids from time to time in the old 17-foot alumna craft to avoid a 10-rod portage.
[0:20:03 – 0:20:04] Adam: It’s a good addendum.
[0:20:05 – 0:20:05] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:20:05 – 0:20:08] Adam: And well-timed smoke chaser.
[0:20:09 – 0:20:09] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:10 – 0:20:11] Erik: Just shot up for once.
[0:20:12 – 0:20:19] Adam: I think we were talking on the bingo card, like not saying anything for an hour could be a bingo space, so.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:29] Adam: Even I, as a rabid talker and abhor of silence, can agree with you that this is a good thing.
[0:20:29 – 0:20:31] Adam: Silence is golden.
[0:20:32 – 0:20:36] Erik: Yeah, it’s one of those things that the more you get used to it, the more you can appreciate it.
[0:20:37 – 0:20:42] Erik: But I also have to say the lakes that I paddle, typically, Vento unit,
[0:20:44 – 0:20:53] Erik: big open stretches of water, you know, after at a certain point, it’s nice to have some good conversation.
[0:20:54 – 0:21:01] Erik: So you don’t necessarily feel yourself making that slow progress down the lake.
[0:21:02 – 0:21:05] Erik: I think, again, it’s a balance.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:06] Erik: It’s a give and take.
[0:21:07 – 0:21:18] Erik: Yes, especially those mornings in camp to just have that silence to appreciate the world around you awakening.
[0:21:18 – 0:21:18] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:21] Erik: Hard to beat.
[0:21:21 – 0:21:25] Erik: But I’m not going to sit silent for 10 miles down Pine Lake either.
[0:21:26 – 0:21:29] Erik: That sounds like borderline torture.
[0:21:29 – 0:21:32] Adam: Even for an introvert, you’ve got to say something.
[0:21:33 – 0:21:34] Erik: Would it kill you?
[0:21:34 – 0:21:36] SPEAKER_00: Would it kill you to say something?
[0:21:37 – 0:21:38] Adam: Panquecos.
[0:21:38 – 0:21:39] Erik: Panquecos.
[0:21:40 – 0:21:40] Erik: Need onguent.
[0:21:44 – 0:21:45] Erik: Winona Ryder.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:48] Erik: Man, I’m so glad she’s a fan of the show.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:48] Erik: Yeah, I know.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:49] Erik: It’s great.
[0:21:49 – 0:21:50] Adam: It’s crazy.
[0:21:50 – 0:21:50] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:51 – 0:22:01] Erik: It’s nice to have someone who is experienced in the outdoors and able to pull their own weight physically, but I think it’s more valuable to have a partner who has the ability to be flexible mentally.
[0:22:02 – 0:22:14] Erik: Someone who is very into sticking to the plan no matter what or gets upset easily if conditions are less than optimal just brings a sense of urgency and angst to the whole business.
[0:22:15 – 0:22:16] Erik: That’s not why I paddle.
[0:22:16 – 0:22:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:17 – 0:22:19] Adam: Yeah, leave the angst behind.
[0:22:19 – 0:22:23] Erik: Yeah, it’s, wow, he didn’t get to this one lake with his campsite I really wanted.
[0:22:23 – 0:22:27] Erik: Like, you can get that sense from groups before they even go out there.
[0:22:27 – 0:22:29] Adam: Going for that sight on Little Caribou.
[0:22:30 – 0:22:33] Adam: You just kind of setting yourself up for disappointment.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:33] Erik: Yep.
[0:22:34 – 0:22:39] Erik: There is always that little level of disappointment, but to be able to roll that disappointment into…
[0:22:41 – 0:22:48] Erik: hey, this campsite’s maybe just as good, if not better, that I feel like is what you need to do in the Bajau waters.
[0:22:50 – 0:22:51] Adam: Wood gnome?
[0:22:51 – 0:22:52] Adam: Wow, there’s a wood gnome.
[0:22:52 – 0:22:54] Adam: This is maybe a first-time commenter.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:57] Adam: I don’t remember hearing from wood gnome before.
[0:22:57 – 0:23:01] Erik: There was a wood gnome comment on our BWCA a few weeks ago.
[0:23:02 – 0:23:10] Erik: Somebody posted that some site out on Winchell, it had like four feet high of split cedar.
[0:23:10 – 0:23:10] Adam: Yes.
[0:23:11 – 0:23:11] Adam: Was that you?
[0:23:12 – 0:23:12] Erik: No, I didn’t do that.
[0:23:12 – 0:23:13] Erik: That’s an insane amount of wood.
[0:23:15 – 0:23:19] Adam: But this is a new Reddit user, Wood Gnome.
[0:23:19 – 0:23:20] Adam: Five points.
[0:23:23 – 0:23:29] Adam: Worst type of guy to go with is anyone who is too controlling or wants to dictate how everything is done around camp.
[0:23:30 – 0:23:40] Adam: I even dislike the idea of having a trip leader designated on the permits or anyone who calls themselves that or pretends they are in charge of the trip.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:53] Adam: I understand every group needs to work towards efficiency and best practices, but if you’re doling out chores to your buddies and telling them how to do everything, just know you’re probably being annoying.
[0:23:56 – 0:24:04] Adam: Include the group in every semi-major decision, and much like on the golf course, unless you’re asked for advice, probably best to keep your mouth shut.
[0:24:04 – 0:24:10] Adam: I don’t have a problem with authority in general, but in the BWCA, I don’t want to be answering to a boss.
[0:24:11 – 0:24:12] Erik: I’ll upvote that.
[0:24:12 – 0:24:12] Erik: Yes.
[0:24:13 – 0:24:13] Erik: I like that Wooden Arm.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:14] Erik: I love it.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:15] Erik: Very well put.
[0:24:16 – 0:24:17] Adam: I’ll give you an extra point, too.
[0:24:17 – 0:24:17] Adam: You’re up to seven.
[0:24:18 – 0:24:19] Erik: Were you at Clearwater this year?
[0:24:19 – 0:24:27] Erik: I feel like maybe there was a couple of groups that came off the water that sounded like that was maybe the issue in camp.
[0:24:29 – 0:24:29] Adam: Bossy boss.
[0:24:30 – 0:24:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:31 – 0:24:32] Erik: It’s one of those things that…
[0:24:32 – 0:24:35] Adam: The worst thing is a bossy boss who isn’t really a boss.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:37] Adam: They just…
[0:24:37 – 0:24:38] Adam: It’s a fake boss.
[0:24:38 – 0:24:39] Adam: Fake boss.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:40] Erik: Like, you’re not my boss right now.
[0:24:40 – 0:24:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:43] Adam: You’re not my dad.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:44] Erik: We’re just a group of friends.
[0:24:44 – 0:24:51] Erik: Like, you know, I even hesitate and struggle with that when I’m out there as a quote-unquote guide.
[0:24:52 – 0:24:55] Adam: I struggle with that as being an actual boss.
[0:24:55 – 0:24:57] Adam: I don’t like to boss people around.
[0:24:57 – 0:24:57] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:57 – 0:24:59] Erik: No, it’s tough.
[0:24:59 – 0:25:00] Adam: I like to lead by example.
[0:25:00 – 0:25:05] Adam: True bosses, people who really like being bosses are sociopaths.
[0:25:06 – 0:25:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:06 – 0:25:08] Adam: Or somebody who says, I’m the boss.
[0:25:08 – 0:25:09] Adam: I’m the boss.
[0:25:09 – 0:25:09] Adam: You listen to me.
[0:25:09 – 0:25:12] Adam: If you have to say I’m the boss, you’re not the boss.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:17] Erik: I think the only time that you get to say I’m the boss is if you are a parent.
[0:25:18 – 0:25:19] Erik: Then you get to say it.
[0:25:20 – 0:25:21] Erik: And it’s like a five-year-old.
[0:25:21 – 0:25:24] Adam: Next time we go on a trip together, I’m going to just bust that on like day three.
[0:25:24 – 0:25:25] Adam: I’m going to be like,
[0:25:25 – 0:25:26] Erik: Eric, I’m the boss.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:29] Adam: Go fetch some kindling.
[0:25:29 – 0:25:31] Erik: Rip the wine bag off of my mouth.
[0:25:31 – 0:25:32] SPEAKER_00: Give me that.
[0:25:32 – 0:25:33] SPEAKER_00: I’m the boss.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:35] Erik: I get 60% of this bag.
[0:25:38 – 0:25:39] Adam: Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:41] Adam: That’s why I drink wine on company time.
[0:25:42 – 0:25:43] Erik: Boom.
[0:25:43 – 0:25:47] Erik: This episode brought to you by Spooky Brand Wine Bags.
[0:25:48 – 0:25:49] Adam: It’s best for drinking on the job.
[0:25:50 – 0:25:51] Adam: Spooky wine.
[0:25:51 – 0:25:53] Erik: Spooky wine.
[0:25:55 – 0:25:55] Erik: No hangovers.
[0:25:56 – 0:25:58] Erik: This comes from Hopalicious.
[0:25:58 – 0:25:59] Erik: Late to the party.
[0:26:00 – 0:26:00] Erik: Not really.
[0:26:00 – 0:26:03] Erik: We leave these hang for a while now, Hopalicious.
[0:26:04 – 0:26:07] Erik: Lots of good stuff here I agree with already posted.
[0:26:08 – 0:26:14] Erik: A good paddling partner is someone who is able to roll with the punches and won’t unravel when problems arise.
[0:26:14 – 0:26:37] Erik: problems will arise oh yes that is what makes it fun fix them and continue the adventure a good group should consist of people who understand problems will arise and can deal with them i think this is uh i’m sorry the park will humble you if you are not prepared for what for that you will probably not want to come back
[0:26:37 – 0:26:52] Adam: It just makes me think that going on a Boundary Waters trip, I already knew this, but I guess I’ve never just kind of said it out loud, that this idea of being able to adapt to adversity.
[0:26:53 – 0:26:54] Erik: Wow.
[0:26:55 – 0:26:56] Erik: You should try a fifth time.
[0:27:01 – 0:27:02] Adam: Adversity?
[0:27:03 – 0:27:04] Adam: I don’t think that’s right.
[0:27:04 – 0:27:07] Adam: Am I short-circuiting right now?
[0:27:07 – 0:27:08] Erik: I think you are short-circuiting.
[0:27:08 – 0:27:09] Erik: Well, anyways.
[0:27:10 – 0:27:11] Erik: Juice packets?
[0:27:11 – 0:27:12] Adam: Juice packets!
[0:27:12 – 0:27:13] Erik: Adversary?
[0:27:13 – 0:27:14] Erik: Is that the word?
[0:27:14 – 0:27:15] Adam: No, I don’t think that’s it.
[0:27:17 – 0:27:18] Erik: Adversity?
[0:27:21 – 0:27:24] Adam: Anyways, you’ve got to be able to roll with the punches, as we’ve said before.
[0:27:24 – 0:27:26] Erik: Yeah, three other people have said that.
[0:27:26 – 0:27:28] Erik: You’re just going to boil that back down to somebody else’s.
[0:27:28 – 0:27:29] Adam: It’s easier to say, I guess.
[0:27:29 – 0:27:30] Erik: It’s easier to say than…
[0:27:30 – 0:27:35] Adam: But helpful on a camping trip, but more helpful in life.
[0:27:36 – 0:27:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:27:37 – 0:27:40] Adam: No, I mean, you could… What makes a good paddling partner?
[0:27:40 – 0:27:43] Adam: It also makes a good partner in any situation.
[0:27:43 – 0:27:55] Erik: Yeah, I mean, why do you think that a lot of those colleges and universities have those like freshman programs where they come up to the Boundary Waters for like freshman orientation?
[0:27:56 – 0:28:02] Erik: Why do you think that the Outward Bound School has a school that exists in the Boundary Waters, YMCA camps?
[0:28:03 – 0:28:10] Erik: It is a place that allows for learning in a different way than is possible.
[0:28:12 – 0:28:39] Erik: fill in the blank multiple choice it’s learning that you can take with you it’s learning that you can learn from others and it’s all still surrounded by a non-classroom environment so yeah it’s I mean the place is really limitless in what you can do with it you can teach people with it like that’s pretty awesome and people do
[0:28:40 – 0:28:42] Erik: So you can teach yourself with it.
[0:28:44 – 0:28:46] Adam: Ooh, we have a C stroke.
[0:28:46 – 0:28:49] Erik: So it’s, is it adverse?
[0:28:50 – 0:28:50] Erik: What is it?
[0:28:50 – 0:28:52] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:28:53 – 0:28:54] Adam: Advertisements.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:56] Erik: Tumblehumcasts at gmail.com.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:58] Erik: What is the word Adam is looking for?
[0:28:58 – 0:28:59] Adam: I can’t even know.
[0:28:59 – 0:29:00] Erik: Adversity?
[0:29:01 – 0:29:02] Adam: Yeah, I think.
[0:29:04 – 0:29:08] Adam: You just shut your pretty, pretty mouth.
[0:29:10 – 0:29:10] Adam: Seastroke.
[0:29:12 – 0:29:13] Adam: Three points.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:18] Adam: Not all people are born with the ability to take on the beauty and struggle of the wilderness.
[0:29:19 – 0:29:36] Adam: Upon taking someone on her first trip, I marveled at her steadfast determination to get through muddy portages, her ability to keep calm as a massive swarm of mosquitoes stalked her legs, and the delight she got in watching otters on the Stewart River.
[0:29:37 – 0:29:44] Adam: It’s the frustration of being windbound on the last day, and the simple pleasure of looking over the map with a cup of wine that we enjoy together.
[0:29:45 – 0:29:53] Adam: Some people understand the chaos of packing at 11pm the night before a trip, and the serenity of the loon calls as the fire burns down.
[0:29:54 – 0:29:59] Adam: If you find such a person, you better put a ring on her finger, and that’s exactly what I did.
[0:30:00 – 0:30:02] Adam: It’s her idea to put a canoe on her wedding registry.
[0:30:03 – 0:30:04] Adam: Huzzah, huzzah!
[0:30:04 – 0:30:05] UNKNOWN: Wooo!
[0:30:07 – 0:30:07] Adam: canoe.
[0:30:08 – 0:30:08] Adam: Dang.
[0:30:09 – 0:30:10] Adam: I hope you get that canoe.
[0:30:11 – 0:30:14] Erik: I’m getting a little chilled here.
[0:30:14 – 0:30:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:15 – 0:30:16] Erik: That was very nice he struck.
[0:30:17 – 0:30:18] Adam: Extra point.
[0:30:18 – 0:30:25] Erik: I think that for me it’s that one struck just because of the relationship I have with
[0:30:26 – 0:30:42] Erik: My now wife and the experiences that we’ve had in the park and being able to tell that the Boundary Waters in Quetigo can somewhat be a testing ground for some of those relationship challenges.
[0:30:42 – 0:30:48] Adam: That’s a good way to find out if you’re compatible, I think, with somebody is to go on a Boundary Waters trip with them.
[0:30:48 – 0:30:49] Erik: Exactly, yeah.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:50] Adam: You know pretty quick.
[0:30:51 – 0:30:54] Erik: Friends, long-term relationship.
[0:30:54 – 0:30:59] Erik: I don’t know if necessarily like lover because that’s a different conversation.
[0:30:59 – 0:31:07] Erik: But like long-term relationship people, friends, yeah, you can definitely tell pretty quick.
[0:31:08 – 0:31:10] Erik: It’s all there in a day.
[0:31:10 – 0:31:11] Erik: You get everything.
[0:31:12 – 0:31:16] Adam: We should do an episode just on park romance.
[0:31:17 – 0:31:19] Erik: Park romance?
[0:31:19 – 0:31:20] Erik: Wow.
[0:31:20 – 0:31:21] Adam: Absolutely.
[0:31:21 – 0:31:26] Adam: I can tell you agree.
[0:31:26 – 0:31:29] Erik: I’ve seen relationships get forged.
[0:31:30 – 0:31:38] Erik: And break down over the course of trips into both the Bon Jovi’s and Quetico.
[0:31:39 – 0:31:40] Erik: It is a place that can do that.
[0:31:43 – 0:31:43] Erik: Aldi won.
[0:31:46 – 0:31:48] Erik: A good group dynamic.
[0:31:49 – 0:31:51] Erik: I dreamt I was Aldi one.
[0:31:53 – 0:31:54] Erik: A good group dynamic.
[0:31:54 – 0:31:54] Adam: Friend of the show.
[0:31:55 – 0:31:56] Adam: Aldi one.
[0:31:57 – 0:31:58] Adam: Sorry.
[0:31:58 – 0:31:59] Adam: We’ll get out of the way.
[0:31:59 – 0:32:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:00 – 0:32:01] Erik: Sorry, Aldi one.
[0:32:01 – 0:32:02] Erik: Sorry.
[0:32:02 – 0:32:03] Adam: Where do we need to go back to?
[0:32:03 – 0:32:04] Adam: When was the person?
[0:32:05 – 0:32:06] Adam: Aldi one.
[0:32:07 – 0:32:08] Erik: It’s nice to know.
[0:32:09 – 0:32:10] Erik: I can’t see wherever it is.
[0:32:10 – 0:32:13] Erik: Something about being quiet and enjoying the silence.
[0:32:14 – 0:32:17] Adam: I’ll never learn that lesson.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:20] Erik: A good group dynamic is when everyone brings a different skill to the team.
[0:32:21 – 0:32:25] Erik: My favorite part of the trip is when we first arrive at camp and start setting up.
[0:32:26 – 0:32:31] Erik: You’ve got your firewood collector, tarp city builders, fishermen, cook, etc.
[0:32:32 – 0:32:37] Erik: Obviously, these roles are not exclusive and can mix up, but it’s great when everyone is contributing.
[0:32:38 – 0:32:40] Erik: A good paddling partner is also so important.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:45] Erik: Having great communication skills is key to navigating smoothly.
[0:32:45 – 0:32:49] Erik: As others have said, positivity is probably the biggest factor, though.
[0:32:50 – 0:32:53] Erik: Our mantra is, you never know in the B-dub.
[0:32:53 – 0:32:54] Erik: Yeah, you never know.
[0:32:55 – 0:33:00] Erik: And when things inevitably don’t go as planned, being optimistic is essential.
[0:33:02 – 0:33:11] Erik: Yeah, even for the last trip I was out on, it looked like we were going to have pretty much prime weather, solid winds.
[0:33:13 – 0:33:16] Erik: Blue skies, maybe a slight chance of rain.
[0:33:17 – 0:33:26] Erik: And then four days in, it’s like, oh, well, okay, that last time I saw a weather forecast, it didn’t make it seem like this was going to be happening, but now there’s a huge black wall of weather.
[0:33:27 – 0:33:31] Erik: And let’s adjust, and let’s adjust.
[0:33:31 – 0:33:40] Adam: One of my favorite jokes when we’re on a trip and it’s just been raining nonstop, and you’re like, you just kind of lean out to the side and you go, yeah, I think it’s clearing up.
[0:33:40 – 0:33:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:42 – 0:33:45] Adam: Especially if it’s just started to pour like way harder.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:47] Erik: I think it’s clearing up.
[0:33:47 – 0:33:48] Adam: It always gets a chuckle.
[0:33:49 – 0:33:50] Adam: You guys can use that.
[0:33:51 – 0:33:52] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:52 – 0:33:53] Adam: I’m sure I invented that joke.
[0:33:54 – 0:33:54] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:54 – 0:33:57] Erik: So you can steal Adam’s original joke.
[0:33:57 – 0:34:00] Erik: I also like a friend of the show.
[0:34:00 – 0:34:03] Erik: Well, I don’t know even if he’s out there anymore.
[0:34:03 – 0:34:05] Erik: But friend just of ours.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:08] Erik: Paige who introduced us to sucker holes.
[0:34:09 – 0:34:10] Adam: Yes.
[0:34:10 – 0:34:14] Erik: In Quetico that month we spent with him where it was like, I think he’s clearing up.
[0:34:14 – 0:34:15] Adam: That’s the sucker hole.
[0:34:15 – 0:34:20] Erik: It’s just a sucker hole where it’s like one little, like the eye of the hurricane, blue sky.
[0:34:21 – 0:34:23] Erik: And then 10 minutes later it’s raining again.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:24] Erik: He’s sucker.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:26] Erik: It’s just a sucker hole.
[0:34:26 – 0:34:27] Adam: I can’t believe you fell for that.
[0:34:27 – 0:34:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:29 – 0:34:30] Adam: Are you going to bleep this?
[0:34:31 – 0:34:33] Adam: PWS, two points.
[0:34:34 – 0:34:39] Adam: I’d rather have somebody who’s positive and funny any day as opposed to a wilderness survival expert.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:43] Erik: You’d rather be out there with us than Bear Grylls.
[0:34:44 – 0:34:48] Adam: I’d also like to go with a group that has the same expectations up front.
[0:34:48 – 0:34:56] Adam: If a few people want to base camp and fish while a few want to move every day to make a loop and explore, half are going to be disappointed.
[0:34:56 – 0:35:01] Adam: While I’m okay with either, it helps with trip planning if we’re all on the same page.
[0:35:01 – 0:35:05] Adam: Bonus points if you’ll collect firewood if I do all the cooking.
[0:35:05 – 0:35:06] Erik: Yeah, all right.
[0:35:06 – 0:35:07] Erik: Some people like to do the cooking.
[0:35:07 – 0:35:09] Adam: Some people like to collect the firewood.
[0:35:10 – 0:35:11] Adam: That’s cool.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:13] Adam: You can also… As long as you’re doing something, you know.
[0:35:14 – 0:35:14] Adam: No laying around.
[0:35:15 – 0:35:17] Erik: As long as you’re doing something.
[0:35:17 – 0:35:20] Erik: I feel like we’ve been on trips where, you know, we’ve had…
[0:35:21 – 0:35:45] Erik: people that wanted to just base camp and we were still able to go out and do a day trip so there’s a combination you can yeah yeah yeah you can do a combo trip yeah but yeah if you’re if you’re with like i need to move every day and there’s other people who want to base camp that’s gonna be trouble yeah that’s definitely communication come on you dub englishman
[0:35:46 – 0:35:46] Erik: What?
[0:35:46 – 0:35:47] Erik: What?
[0:36:08 – 0:36:29] Erik: start fires tie knots etc just makes my own trip less enjoyable when the people i’m with are complaining about these things outside of our control and makes me do the majority of outside of your control you can google it before you go well the weather gonna be cell phone service like if people go into the park and they’re like oh i can’t get my 3g
[0:36:30 – 0:36:38] Erik: Yeah, the lack of cell phone service, that one’s a tough person to be able to even, I don’t even know what I would say to that person.
[0:36:40 – 0:36:41] Erik: STFU, probably.
[0:36:43 – 0:36:45] Erik: But yeah, weather, stuff that you can’t control.
[0:36:46 – 0:36:53] Erik: You know, right away, it’ll kind of hit me with like a, but then it’s like, yeah, what am I going to do about it?
[0:36:53 – 0:36:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:54 – 0:36:54] Erik: I’m out here.
[0:36:55 – 0:36:58] Adam: I’m surprised people aren’t talking more about complainers.
[0:36:59 – 0:37:00] Erik: Yeah, we haven’t gotten too many of those.
[0:37:00 – 0:37:11] Erik: I think a lot of the people that are probably on here and Facebook are, I don’t know, they’ve probably been pretty fortunate for the most part with trips.
[0:37:11 – 0:37:15] Adam: I mean, I have not really been on many trips where people complain.
[0:37:15 – 0:37:24] Erik: Yeah, I’ve got the one with the guy that I think he was just having like a 18-year-old who needed to hack out a log for a little while.
[0:37:25 – 0:37:29] Adam: And I think, you know, too, you can complain just only on portages.
[0:37:30 – 0:37:33] Adam: You’re allowed to get it out of your system on the portage.
[0:37:33 – 0:37:34] Adam: You can complain a little or whine.
[0:37:34 – 0:37:37] Adam: I guess we had agreed whining is okay on a portage.
[0:37:37 – 0:37:39] Erik: Whining is okay at the end of a portage.
[0:37:39 – 0:37:40] Adam: Yeah, that’s it.
[0:37:40 – 0:37:40] Adam: For sure.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:43] Adam: That’s the only spot for whining.
[0:37:43 – 0:37:44] Adam: Not when you’re paddling or in camp, though.
[0:37:44 – 0:37:45] Adam: No.
[0:37:45 – 0:37:46] Adam: Keep that out of there.
[0:37:46 – 0:37:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:37:46 – 0:37:49] Adam: I think that’s a healthy way to get to camp.
[0:37:49 – 0:37:50] Adam: Like, yeah, I think that’s a healthy rule.
[0:37:51 – 0:37:51] Adam: Like, okay.
[0:37:52 – 0:37:53] Adam: So everybody’s got a wine once in a while.
[0:37:54 – 0:37:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:37:54 – 0:37:54] Adam: Right.
[0:37:54 – 0:38:02] Adam: It’s not all, it’s not all sun, sunny skies and fresh cream on a blueberry pie, fresh cream on a blueberry pie.
[0:38:02 – 0:38:03] Erik: Everybody knows that song.
[0:38:03 – 0:38:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:09] Erik: No, there’s, I mean, most portages I get about three quarters of the way through if they’re tough ones.
[0:38:09 – 0:38:13] Adam: It’s not all hot pizza biters and fresh gin fizzies.
[0:38:14 – 0:38:15] Adam: The end of a long portage.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:15] Adam: All right.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:16] Erik: Yeah, you got that.
[0:38:16 – 0:38:19] Erik: Champ, champ, I got a question.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:29] Adam: Do you prefer gin fizzy with your pizza batter or do you enjoy your pizza batters solo and then a gin fizzy after?
[0:38:30 – 0:38:30] Erik: Champ?
[0:38:30 – 0:38:32] Erik: I have no idea what you’re talking about anymore.
[0:38:32 – 0:38:36] Erik: Why don’t you read what the ghost of Ed Abbey has to say?
[0:38:38 – 0:38:39] Erik: Goes to Vet Abby.
[0:38:39 – 0:38:39] Erik: Champ.
[0:38:40 – 0:38:40] Erik: Two points.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:41] Erik: Champ.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:43] Adam: Competent outdoor skills.
[0:38:43 – 0:38:47] Adam: Willing to learn plus being a quality conversationalist.
[0:38:47 – 0:38:47] Adam: Ooh.
[0:38:49 – 0:38:53] Adam: Oh, I had it and I like moved my microphone and it really messed it up.
[0:38:53 – 0:38:54] Adam: Had it, lost it.
[0:38:55 – 0:38:57] Adam: Competent outdoor skills writing.
[0:38:57 – 0:38:58] Adam: Oh my God.
[0:38:58 – 0:38:59] Adam: Hold on.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:05] Erik: This episode brought to you by Spooky Beer.
[0:39:05 – 0:39:05] Erik: Champ.
[0:39:05 – 0:39:06] Erik: Get spooked.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:09] Adam: Champ, you know how to read?
[0:39:10 – 0:39:11] Adam: Goes to bed, Abby.
[0:39:11 – 0:39:12] Adam: Two points.
[0:39:12 – 0:39:21] Adam: Competent outdoor skills, willing to learn, plus being a quality conversationalist that is also content to let the wilderness do the talking.
[0:39:22 – 0:39:22] SPEAKER_00: Here you go.
[0:39:23 – 0:39:23] Erik: We got there.
[0:39:24 – 0:39:24] Erik: These are all great.
[0:39:25 – 0:39:33] Erik: I don’t think that there’s a lot of overlap, but I feel like each person is putting these sentiments into their own words, which I’ve really enjoyed.
[0:39:33 – 0:39:34] Adam: We’re building a quilt here.
[0:39:36 – 0:39:41] Erik: Yeah, and that quilt will be for sale on tumblehomecast at gmail.com.
[0:39:41 – 0:39:44] Erik: Send us an email if you want to buy this quilt.
[0:39:45 – 0:39:46] Adam: I’m working on it currently.
[0:39:48 – 0:39:51] Erik: We’ll have a quilt, then a board game, then a fantasy league.
[0:39:52 – 0:39:53] Erik: The Empire.
[0:39:55 – 0:39:56] Erik: Can do no wrong.
[0:39:57 – 0:40:20] Erik: in for you my wife and i found out she was pregnant with our first about a week before taking a trip with another couple each afternoon when we set up camp my wife would crash into the tent for a nap before i could get the rain fly on we go about collecting firewood fishing and preparing food without her later she’d re-emerge hungry and go back to sleep it was a new experience for all of us
[0:40:21 – 0:40:30] Erik: For us all that we thought was funny then and tell our daughter about because it was her first trip another time I was planning a trip and
[0:40:31 – 0:40:37] Erik: And when a roommate volunteered to be the fourth member, he showed up late and not prepared.
[0:40:38 – 0:40:39] Erik: Here we go.
[0:40:39 – 0:40:41] Erik: He brought two pairs of shoes.
[0:40:41 – 0:40:48] Erik: One was a pair of rubber boots that were too small that he hand carried on portages.
[0:40:48 – 0:40:53] Erik: The other was a pair of slip-on clog style leather shoes, which he wore.
[0:40:54 – 0:40:56] Erik: He drank his share of the booze.
[0:40:58 – 0:41:00] Erik: and went to bed early and slept in late.
[0:41:01 – 0:41:06] Erik: He is a character and always willing to help out and tell a good story.
[0:41:07 – 0:41:12] Erik: Nobody complained about the experience and it is a big part of the memories we share about that trip.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:14] Erik: That’s a good story, though.
[0:41:15 – 0:41:24] Erik: I kind of, that one started out sounding like he was going to describe kind of that friend of Bill Bryson that he goes out with.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:25] Erik: On the trail.
[0:41:25 – 0:41:27] Erik: On the Appalachian Trail in there.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:28] Erik: Too much stuff.
[0:41:28 – 0:41:31] Erik: He’s just throwing gear off mountains to lighten the load.
[0:41:32 – 0:41:35] Erik: But then it kind of, I mean, I guess maybe it does sound like it’s pretty comparable to that.
[0:41:36 – 0:41:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:37 – 0:41:40] Erik: Part of the memories we share about that trip is being out there with a goofball.
[0:41:41 – 0:41:41] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:41:43 – 0:41:51] Erik: I mean, I’ve got some trips where, yeah, I was out there with people that were kind of goofy and had their eccentric ways, and that was just part of it.
[0:41:57 – 0:42:00] Adam: IronSquirrel2683, two points.
[0:42:01 – 0:42:01] Adam: Two points.
[0:42:02 – 0:42:07] Adam: Those who understand pain is just weakness leaving the body, and discomfort is temporary.
[0:42:09 – 0:42:11] Adam: A close second is also a fair sense of direction.
[0:42:12 – 0:42:14] Adam: Yes, we haven’t talked about this enough.
[0:42:14 – 0:42:16] Adam: Somebody always has a bearing on north.
[0:42:17 – 0:42:19] Adam: I feel like you’re great like that.
[0:42:20 – 0:42:25] Adam: When I’m in the front of the boat and you’re paddling in the stern, I never pay attention.
[0:42:25 – 0:42:30] Adam: I’m all tempo then because you always know what direction we’re going and what direction is north.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:31] Adam: Don’t even have to worry about it.
[0:42:31 – 0:42:35] Adam: But by myself, I do feel like I do have a good sense of direction.
[0:42:35 – 0:42:37] Erik: Well, just generally, even not in the Boundary Waters.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:40] Erik: I feel like that’s just a good thing to have.
[0:42:41 – 0:42:43] Erik: I don’t even know if that’s like, can you learn that?
[0:42:44 – 0:42:44] Erik: What’s that?
[0:42:45 – 0:42:46] Erik: Does it just come in your brain?
[0:42:47 – 0:42:48] Adam: Animal magnetism.
[0:42:48 – 0:42:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:42:51 – 0:42:51] Erik: Do I have a bird brain?
[0:42:53 – 0:42:56] Erik: I just feel like I’ve always got a good sense of like which way I’m facing.
[0:42:56 – 0:42:57] Erik: Is it a sun thing?
[0:42:59 – 0:43:00] Erik: Is it because I suck at a lot of other stuff?
[0:43:01 – 0:43:02] Erik: Here we go.
[0:43:02 – 0:43:05] Erik: Let’s just give this guy a little bit of good sense of direction.
[0:43:05 – 0:43:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:43:06 – 0:43:12] Erik: He’s not going to be able to really become good at much of anything else, but he’ll always know which way he’s heading.
[0:43:13 – 0:43:16] Adam: You can leave the migration for the zombie apocalypse.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:16] Erik: There we go.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:17] Erik: Stay tuned.
[0:43:17 – 0:43:19] Erik: Well, no, that’s out at this point.
[0:43:21 – 0:43:22] Adam: Well, go back and check on that one.
[0:43:23 – 0:43:23] Erik: Oh.
[0:43:25 – 0:43:25] Erik: Chemistry.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:31] Erik: Specifically having a partner or a group that has the same goals and plans for the trip.
[0:43:31 – 0:43:37] Erik: Are we fishing, hiking, exploring, or hanging out in the hammocks with a cold beverage?
[0:43:38 – 0:43:45] Erik: It is never good when one partner is expecting to go full speed and the others want to hang around camp taking it easy.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:46] Erik: Yep.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:49] Erik: I think Old Red nailed my sentiment pretty much exactly.
[0:43:49 – 0:43:52] Adam: I think that’s the sentiment so far of the entire group.
[0:43:53 – 0:44:15] Adam: you know package here yeah through through an episode and a half here talking paddling partners that’s the one that seems to keep coming to the surface is this chemistry old red’s talking about chemistry expectations and communication indication you know that’s just any relationship not just one in the park folks we are not let it be known we are not providing any relationship advice here whatsoever
[0:44:17 – 0:44:17] Adam: Yes.
[0:44:18 – 0:44:19] Adam: Quick Step Kyle.
[0:44:20 – 0:44:21] Adam: Two points.
[0:44:21 – 0:44:22] Erik: It’s Quick Step Kyle.
[0:44:22 – 0:44:22] Adam: He’s back.
[0:44:23 – 0:44:25] Adam: He’s got the fancy feet.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:28] Adam: Good friend of the show, Quick Step Kyle.
[0:44:29 – 0:44:34] Adam: Went on a few trips with a guy in my college years who is a loud, a load.
[0:44:34 – 0:44:35] Adam: He was a load.
[0:44:35 – 0:44:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:37 – 0:44:41] Adam: He would always take over the campfire duties and totally sucked at it.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:44] Adam: We would have a nice fire going and then he would suffocate it like an idiot.
[0:44:44 – 0:44:45] Erik: Here we go.
[0:44:45 – 0:44:50] Adam: Not to mention that since he was attending to the fire, he couldn’t ever help do the other camp chores.
[0:44:51 – 0:44:54] Adam: The last straw was on the last evening of a Caribou Lake trip.
[0:44:55 – 0:45:07] Adam: I had my last cup of precious Botabox Cabernet Sauvignon 2016, sitting safely in the kitchen area, breathing in the western wind on Campsite 691.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:16] Adam: Out of nowhere, this punk channeled his inner Ryan Longwell and decided to boot my cup, losing every last drop of the wine.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:21] Adam: I haven’t seen or spoken to him since the end.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:21] Adam: He’s just gone.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:25] Adam: That’s why you cut people like that out of your life.
[0:45:26 – 0:45:26] Adam: Bye.
[0:45:27 – 0:45:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:27 – 0:45:29] Erik: I like the harsh reality too.
[0:45:29 – 0:45:38] Erik: Like, yeah, we’re getting all flowery and boy, isn’t it nice just to communicate and be fun out there and expect whatever the unexpected is going to expect.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:39] Adam: Yeah.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:46] Erik: Sometimes some just kicks your cup of wine and he’s throwing on wet logs of birch and it’s like, yeah, sorry.
[0:45:47 – 0:45:53] Erik: Maybe I’ll go to a bar with you at some point down in a stupid city, but I’m never going into the boundary waters with you ever again.
[0:45:53 – 0:45:54] Adam: This is true.
[0:45:54 – 0:45:59] Adam: Somebody could be a terrible Boundary Waters camper, but still fun in a different setting.
[0:45:59 – 0:46:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:00 – 0:46:03] Erik: Hey, dude, you’re really good at skee-ball.
[0:46:03 – 0:46:05] Adam: Really interesting, but you’re terrible at building a fire.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:07] Erik: Don’t know what dry wood is.
[0:46:07 – 0:46:09] Adam: You insist on building the fire.
[0:46:09 – 0:46:09] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:10 – 0:46:11] Adam: Thank you for that response.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:13] Adam: We’ll give an extra point for that one.
[0:46:13 – 0:46:17] Adam: Three points for Quick Step Kyle.
[0:46:17 – 0:46:17] Adam: Thank you.
[0:46:18 – 0:46:19] Erik: O-G-E-S-I-I.
[0:46:22 – 0:46:26] Erik: It seems to me that canoe camping was created for solo tripping.
[0:46:27 – 0:46:28] Erik: Yeah, here we go.
[0:46:29 – 0:46:31] Erik: This is another aspect.
[0:46:31 – 0:46:46] Erik: I love the peace and quiet, the lack of meaningless conversation, the lack of working to satisfy someone else, the challenge of doing it all, and also the freedom to do what I want when I want.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:51] Erik: Solo tripping is the perfect camping experience.
[0:46:53 – 0:46:55] Erik: What would make a great canoe camping partner?
[0:46:56 – 0:46:59] Erik: Someone who could help me to make the portage in one trip?
[0:47:00 – 0:47:03] Erik: Someone who could cut our camp setup time in half?
[0:47:05 – 0:47:08] Erik: I have my responsibilities that they would have theirs.
[0:47:09 – 0:47:19] Erik: Someone with whom I could alternate camp cooking days or meals so I could come in from early morning fishing to hotcakes already prepared.
[0:47:20 – 0:47:23] Erik: Someone who could do all of this with barely saying a word.
[0:47:24 – 0:47:26] Erik: Someone who wants the same campsites I want.
[0:47:27 – 0:47:30] Erik: Someone who wants to break camp when I do.
[0:47:31 – 0:47:38] Erik: Someone who is good company on the drive up and who appreciates a silent, reflective car ride home.
[0:47:39 – 0:47:42] Erik: Someone who is there to help but invisible the other times.
[0:47:44 – 0:47:47] Adam: Or maybe I should just keep solo tripping.
[0:47:51 – 0:47:51] Erik: Very good.
[0:47:53 – 0:47:55] Erik: I like that perspective as well, a lot.
[0:47:56 – 0:47:57] Erik: I like the way it was put together.
[0:47:58 – 0:48:00] Adam: Yeah, that was well written.
[0:48:00 – 0:48:01] Erik: Very well written.
[0:48:01 – 0:48:04] Adam: O-G-E-S. Cleverly written.
[0:48:04 – 0:48:09] Erik: Yeah, there’s a, you know, I can’t speak to it too much, and I don’t know if it’s going to happen this year.
[0:48:10 – 0:48:16] Erik: The solo tripping, that is going to be something that we explore in the future, but I have no experience with it.
[0:48:17 – 0:48:17] Erik: I would like to.
[0:48:18 – 0:48:19] Erik: It just hasn’t presented itself yet.
[0:48:31 – 0:48:35] Adam: Good attitude, strong back, all business till it’s time to play.
[0:48:36 – 0:48:39] Adam: I like to move while in the park, at least until my kids are older.
[0:48:40 – 0:48:44] Adam: So while I’m still paddling with adults, work hard, play hard is key.
[0:48:45 – 0:48:51] Adam: Experience is good, but I also love showing people canoe tripping for the first time.
[0:48:52 – 0:48:54] Erik: I like the work hard, play hard aspect.
[0:48:55 – 0:48:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:55 – 0:48:56] Adam: We have that going for us.
[0:48:57 – 0:48:58] Erik: Usually when we’re out there, it’s…
[0:48:58 – 0:49:03] Adam: There’s days for that, too, where it’s just a good day to go, just to give it.
[0:49:03 – 0:49:11] Erik: Yeah, and then not really settle in to the bag of wine until basically the dishes are done.
[0:49:12 – 0:49:12] Erik: Right, right.
[0:49:12 – 0:49:14] Erik: And you’ve got enough wood to…
[0:49:16 – 0:49:22] Erik: be satisfied for pretty much the rest of that night, and to get up the next morning without too much work.
[0:49:23 – 0:49:28] Adam: Yeah, it’s full power work mode and then full power relax mode.
[0:49:28 – 0:49:32] Erik: Yeah, once I’m relaxed and I’m in that chair, it’s like… Once you get the slippers on.
[0:49:32 – 0:49:35] Erik: Yeah, hammock set up, we got enough wood to get us through the night.
[0:49:36 – 0:49:37] Erik: Yeah, I’m putting on…
[0:49:38 – 0:49:40] Adam: It’s like one of the greatest feelings you can have.
[0:49:40 – 0:49:46] Erik: It is, and you do that every day for a week, two weeks, and you get into it.
[0:49:47 – 0:49:55] Erik: I mean, it starts feeling like what you were meant to do, where it’s like, yeah, we worked to get here.
[0:49:56 – 0:50:07] Erik: I worked to provide myself with enough heat to provide myself with a hot meal, and I’ve got a warm bed situation set up, whatever that may be.
[0:50:09 – 0:50:16] Erik: All right, now I’ve got about an hour and a half, two hours to truly relax.
[0:50:17 – 0:50:21] Adam: I don’t think you can relax any more than that kind of scenario.
[0:50:21 – 0:50:22] Erik: No, no, I don’t think.
[0:50:22 – 0:50:32] Erik: And that’s what, to a certain extent, keeps me coming back more than anything else is that feeling of satisfaction.
[0:50:34 – 0:50:35] Erik: Is it me?
[0:50:36 – 0:50:36] Adam: Yes, you’re up.
[0:50:41 – 0:50:46] Erik: My wife and kids are by far my favorite.
[0:50:46 – 0:50:51] Erik: My wife grew up going to Quetico with her dad and is a more experienced paddler than me.
[0:50:52 – 0:50:54] Erik: She continues teaching me new things every trip.
[0:50:55 – 0:51:01] Erik: My kids, ages 10 and 7, truly enjoy going on a trip and keep having the best perspectives.
[0:51:03 – 0:51:09] Erik: When you’re going to the wilderness for multiple days with someone, you need to really trust them and enjoy their company.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:18] Erik: Wilderness can bring the best out in all of us, but often only after it dishes out a tough situation or two.
[0:51:19 – 0:51:27] Erik: Finally, if someone has an appreciation for the BWCA and respect it as much as you do, they will be a great partner to have along.
[0:51:29 – 0:51:29] Erik: Yeah?
[0:51:32 – 0:51:32] Erik: Boy.
[0:51:32 – 0:51:33] Erik: Yeesh.
[0:51:34 – 0:51:39] Erik: How did we ever think this was not going to be multi, multi episodes?
[0:51:39 – 0:51:43] Erik: A lot of great responses here from people.
[0:51:43 – 0:51:44] Adam: Kirk bomb.
[0:51:46 – 0:51:46] Adam: One point.
[0:51:46 – 0:51:52] Adam: In my experience, you have a lot of control over your experience and how good, bad your paddling partners are.
[0:51:52 – 0:51:56] Adam: If you can go with the flow, your group will likely do the same.
[0:51:56 – 0:52:02] Adam: If you stress about campsites, weather, fishing time, et cetera, other people are likely to do so as well.
[0:52:03 – 0:52:08] Adam: Trips rarely go according to plan, so relax and enjoy the experience for what it is.
[0:52:08 – 0:52:13] Adam: Some of my favorite trips are with people who are experiencing the BWCA for the first time.
[0:52:14 – 0:52:17] Adam: You can relive your first experience in the park through them.
[0:52:18 – 0:52:23] Adam: On the flip side, sometimes you simply make a poor judgment call and end up with a campmate that is lazy.
[0:52:24 – 0:52:33] Adam: Or worse, the person who always has a suggestion for a better way to do things, but never seems willing to pitch in and actually complete a chore.
[0:52:34 – 0:52:40] Adam: In this case, you have to write it out and know you probably won’t be taking another trip with that individual.
[0:52:40 – 0:52:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:52:41 – 0:52:46] Erik: But regardless of BWCA experience, I know people like that.
[0:52:46 – 0:52:47] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:52:47 – 0:52:52] Erik: They always have a suggestion for the better way to do it, but you’ll never see it.
[0:52:53 – 0:52:54] Erik: You’ll never actually see it in action.
[0:52:55 – 0:52:57] Erik: They’ve just always got that suggestion.
[0:52:58 – 0:53:00] Erik: Those people can be the worst.
[0:53:00 – 0:53:01] Adam: Whoa, what is this?
[0:53:03 – 0:53:05] Erik: Far from the end.
[0:53:05 – 0:53:06] Adam: Oh dear.
[0:53:06 – 0:53:07] Erik: Printing, printing.
[0:53:07 – 0:53:08] Adam: Misjudged.
[0:53:08 – 0:53:09] Adam: Misjudged.
[0:53:11 – 0:53:14] Erik: There’s no final word with printing, printing this week.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:14] Adam: We’ll see.
[0:53:15 – 0:53:15] Adam: We’ll see.
[0:53:15 – 0:53:16] Adam: We’re not to the bottom of the list yet.
[0:53:17 – 0:53:22] Erik: When the bow person knows maneuvering strokes, yeah, that actually is underrated.
[0:53:22 – 0:53:24] Erik: Scooch, scooch, scooch, scooch.
[0:53:25 – 0:53:39] Erik: Especially when you’re maneuvering into a portage landing or exiting a portage landing, having a bow person who can do a big draw stroke or a big sweeping C, you can turn on a dime if you got those people.
[0:53:39 – 0:53:41] Erik: But that, again, is a communication thing.
[0:53:41 – 0:53:43] Adam: Also good on the large creek entry point.
[0:53:43 – 0:53:51] Erik: You almost need that large creek, frost river, going on to Parent via Hog Creek.
[0:53:51 – 0:53:56] Erik: Those are the kinds of trips where you need to be saying, yeah, draw or cross draw or seashore.
[0:53:56 – 0:53:58] Adam: If you don’t have to say it, you just.
[0:53:58 – 0:53:59] Erik: Or if you don’t have to say it.
[0:53:59 – 0:54:06] Erik: But a lot of times you might have to start by saying it because those people in the front, they get used to just kind of whatever.
[0:54:07 – 0:54:10] Erik: But a lot of times there’s only so much that stern paddler can do.
[0:54:10 – 0:54:10] Adam: That’s true.
[0:54:10 – 0:54:15] Adam: Yeah, the bow paddler is usually just, let’s go, put the tempo down, as we’ve said.
[0:54:17 – 0:54:18] Adam: Yeah, there’s some moves.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:20] Adam: You can put on some nifty moves in the front.
[0:54:20 – 0:54:20] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:54:21 – 0:54:21] Erik: That was the…
[0:54:21 – 0:54:21] Erik: Helpful.
[0:54:22 – 0:54:25] Erik: I think for me, it went without being said.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:35] Erik: When I was paddling with Tori, all of a sudden, it was just like we’re getting into some of those more narrow, maneuver-heavy, trafficked, you know…
[0:54:36 – 0:55:02] Erik: boundary riders routes where we need to make some sharp turns and all of a sudden she’s just making these like big moves to move the front of the canoe it’s like dang like all right instead of just trying to be that one guy in the back steering the canoe getting somebody up front to help you yes helps when you can spot a rock too oh yeah that’s another thing too keep your eyes on rocks up there
[0:55:02 – 0:55:03] Adam: Yeah, that’s important.
[0:55:03 – 0:55:05] Adam: You’ve got to be the eyes of the boat up front.
[0:55:05 – 0:55:09] Erik: Yeah, throw those polarized shades on and look for rocks.
[0:55:10 – 0:55:12] Adam: Next up is Fat Tire Bike.
[0:55:12 – 0:55:13] Erik: Wait, wait, wait.
[0:55:13 – 0:55:14] Erik: We haven’t finished printing printing.
[0:55:15 – 0:55:15] Adam: Oh, I’m sorry.
[0:55:15 – 0:55:16] Adam: I thought that was it.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:17] Adam: I got so excited.
[0:55:18 – 0:55:19] Erik: It was a very good response.
[0:55:19 – 0:55:21] Erik: And they have a similar trip expectation as you do.
[0:55:22 – 0:55:23] Adam: Oh, I’m sorry.
[0:55:23 – 0:55:23] Adam: Yes.
[0:55:23 – 0:55:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:55:26 – 0:55:28] Adam: I’ll just do Fat Tire Bike and then you can read this long one here.
[0:55:28 – 0:55:29] Adam: That sounds fine.
[0:55:30 – 0:55:38] Erik: I’m not 100% sure what this might mean, but Fat Tire Bike says, whistles to the birds and sings to the dogs.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:41] Adam: Sounds like the beginning of a rap song.
[0:55:41 – 0:55:43] Erik: Oh, or a folk poem.
[0:55:43 – 0:55:44] Erik: Or a Bon Iver.
[0:55:45 – 0:55:46] Adam: I’m not sure.
[0:55:46 – 0:55:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:55:47 – 0:55:48] SPEAKER_00: Sounds like somebody.
[0:55:48 – 0:55:52] SPEAKER_00: Whistles to the birds and sings to the dogs.
[0:55:52 – 0:55:54] Erik: Fleet Fox’s track, maybe.
[0:55:54 – 0:55:55] Adam: Yeah, let’s start looping this.
[0:55:56 – 0:55:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:56 – 0:55:58] Adam: Whistles to the birds.
[0:56:07 – 0:56:09] Adam: See Jake Paddle, one point.
[0:56:09 – 0:56:13] Adam: Good paddle partners start and end trips with the same priorities in mind.
[0:56:13 – 0:56:20] Adam: If somebody wants to catch pictographs and someone wants to fish, it can make for a tenuous day.
[0:56:21 – 0:56:27] Adam: I rediscovered BWCA paddling as an adult after a group trip of high school friends from Des Moines, Iowa.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:52] Adam: party horn here nice job fell through and the only two left standing were jake who left in the twin cities and me the other jake who went to the bwca in the middle school for a three-night trip since then we’ve honed our bwca tripping style to fit our priorities he prefers to stern and navigate with a fisher and pouch so it can be strapped to the gunwale for hands-free
[0:56:53 – 0:56:58] Adam: I like to be on the bow because I have good eyes and like spotting hazards and wildlife first.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:05] Adam: We both prefer to double portage to rest and avoid injury, even if somebody walks a leg of the portage empty handed.
[0:57:06 – 0:57:12] Adam: We both insist on having some wine or whiskey in a day pack for easy access after a rough portage.
[0:57:13 – 0:57:19] Adam: We also tend to opt for long travel days to cover miles and see the wilderness rather than to get into camp early.
[0:57:20 – 0:57:24] Adam: Finally, shout out from the last episode to the Tarp Boys.
[0:57:24 – 0:57:26] Erik: Tarp Boys!
[0:57:27 – 0:57:29] Adam: We are adamant Tarp Boys too.
[0:57:30 – 0:57:31] Adam: Hashtag trailer Tarp Boys.
[0:57:33 – 0:57:38] Adam: Tie up a mozzie net and a big nylon tarp and you can get a lightweight living bedroom.
[0:57:39 – 0:57:48] Adam: We have noticed we have to charge the party lights more often and bring more party supplies to allow for more late night chill time.
[0:57:48 – 0:57:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:57:49 – 0:57:50] Adam: Oh, man.
[0:57:50 – 0:57:50] Adam: Great.
[0:57:51 – 0:57:51] Adam: Great.
[0:57:51 – 0:57:51] Adam: Double jakes.
[0:57:52 – 0:57:52] Adam: Double jakes.
[0:57:52 – 0:57:53] Adam: The double jakes are in.
[0:57:54 – 0:57:54] Adam: Great response.
[0:57:55 – 0:57:56] Erik: Extra point for double jakes.
[0:57:56 – 0:58:01] Erik: I do like the concept of setting up too comfortable of a camp.
[0:58:01 – 0:58:24] Adam: yeah like staying up too late yeah as a tarp boy yeah it was a response uh yeah that’s what the tarp boys are all about yeah that’s that was a game changer is tarp boys don’t be wary of boys yeah be wary the tarps can be too too nice too cozy i love it staying up too late there’s no such thing so stay up as late as you want it’s your vacation yep rolo pumps
[0:58:26 – 0:58:28] Erik: These are skills I prefer.
[0:58:29 – 0:58:31] Erik: A good wilderness map reader.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:36] Erik: Someone that is can fillet fish and knows what they are doing.
[0:58:37 – 0:58:41] Adam: Generous people that will give you a piece of their gear if yours breaks.
[0:58:42 – 0:58:47] Erik: I’ve gone with the same group of people the past six years, so I got it pretty good.
[0:58:48 – 0:58:49] Erik: What I avoid?
[0:58:50 – 0:58:52] Erik: People that want to get e-drunk every day.
[0:58:53 – 0:58:55] Erik: Not sharing of basic camp responsibilities.
[0:58:57 – 0:58:59] Erik: Yeah, I mean, there’s a certain level of, like, e-drunk.
[0:59:00 – 0:59:01] Erik: That’s no fun.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:04] Erik: I’d like to think we don’t get too…
[0:59:06 – 0:59:31] Erik: that level of drunk it might happen late late in the night once we are truly once we have truly become become tarp boys boyd but i’m up in the morning doing camp chores that’s the only way that i can that’s how you know that’s the only yes the only way i can get to that point
[0:59:32 – 0:59:42] Erik: is knowing that I can get up the next morning and get up and still be, I’m not going to be that guy that’s like in the hammock or the tent until noon.
[0:59:42 – 0:59:43] Erik: Like that is absurd.
[0:59:44 – 0:59:49] Adam: Yeah, I’ve certainly been the last person to wake up, but I’ve also been the first person to wake up.
[0:59:50 – 0:59:54] Adam: And as long as you don’t sleep in until noon, no big deal.
[0:59:54 – 0:59:56] Adam: Some days you just need to sleep in a little bit more.
[0:59:56 – 0:59:56] Adam: That’s fine.
[0:59:57 – 0:59:57] Erik: Yeah, it’s a balance.
[0:59:57 – 0:59:59] Erik: Over the course of a trip, yeah.
[0:59:59 – 1:00:13] Erik: I think we’ve had that experience with each other in the past where it’s like, yeah, right away it seems like we kind of go, you know, like I might be up earlier and then those last few nights, those last few mornings, you’re up earlier and you just…
[1:00:14 – 1:00:33] Erik: every morning it’s like somebody else is starting the fire and you know you don’t necessarily think about it like i started the fire yesterday so adam’s got to start it tomorrow but it just comes out naturally it always helps too if you have like plenty of good firewood prepared the night before save a little for the morning right yeah then make that morning a little easier yeah
[1:00:36 – 1:00:38] Adam: Smooth Hopperator 22.
[1:00:38 – 1:00:39] Adam: I like that.
[1:00:40 – 1:00:41] Adam: Seastroke said it well.
[1:00:42 – 1:00:44] Adam: Seastroke did say it well.
[1:00:45 – 1:00:50] Adam: My girlfriend has turned out to be an excellent paddling partner, camping companion, hunting and fishing partner.
[1:00:51 – 1:00:54] Adam: Basically all our door activities that I love.
[1:00:54 – 1:01:02] Adam: When we first met, she was not much of an outdoors person, but she was willing to do these things with me just because she wanted to enjoy life together.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:07] Adam: She was always up for any challenge I throw at her, especially in the boundary waters.
[1:01:08 – 1:01:20] Adam: Whether it was paddling through a torrential downpour just to get to a site I had in mind or portaging up the steepest hills just to get to my secret walleye lake, she does not complain one bit.
[1:01:21 – 1:01:24] Adam: She now loves the challenge and absolutely loves the outdoors.
[1:01:24 – 1:01:29] Adam: I can hardly go on a guy’s trip without her being sad that she can’t come.
[1:01:29 – 1:01:36] Adam: And I appreciate that very much because it is the life I want to continue until I can no longer portage a canoe.
[1:01:37 – 1:01:38] Adam: Happy paddling.
[1:01:39 – 1:01:40] Adam: Smooth operator.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:43] Adam: Nicely said.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:47] Adam: Happy paddling.
[1:01:47 – 1:01:50] Erik: That seems like a great place to stop.
[1:01:50 – 1:01:51] Erik: I think that’s it.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:56] Erik: Oh, that’s a lot of reading.
[1:01:58 – 1:01:58] Erik: I love it, though.
[1:01:59 – 1:02:01] Erik: Yeah, that’s really cool.
[1:02:01 – 1:02:06] Adam: I think I I think we did a pretty good job of representing what people are trying to say.
[1:02:07 – 1:02:12] Adam: I would always feel a certain bit of pressure reading these like sentimental posts, too.
[1:02:12 – 1:02:14] Erik: There are some really serious responses in there.
[1:02:14 – 1:02:16] Adam: And I mean, a lot of responsibility there.
[1:02:16 – 1:02:33] Adam: yeah it’s important there you can clearly tell it’s important to people and like anybody can go and read these for themselves but i realize like most people are just going to hear it on here and not go and check it out so you want to try and do it justice when you’re reading these like people have put a lot of thought in these responses
[1:02:34 – 1:02:34] Erik: Yeah.
[1:02:34 – 1:02:34] Erik: And I don’t know.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:49] Erik: We’ve had this conversation off and on in the past and how our relationship to the fine folks on this community, online community, and what we get from it and what they get from it.
[1:02:49 – 1:02:58] Erik: And I think when we started out, I made the post saying that we’re starting this podcast and I
[1:02:58 – 1:03:00] Erik: Would love to include all of you.
[1:03:00 – 1:03:05] Erik: And, you know, if I think people didn’t want to be included, they would just not respond.
[1:03:06 – 1:03:09] Erik: I think at this point it’s pretty obvious that we do what we do.
[1:03:09 – 1:03:16] Erik: And we can’t say it enough how much we appreciate the time that you take.
[1:03:17 – 1:03:19] Erik: And it’s not all about the points.
[1:03:19 – 1:03:25] Erik: Obviously, that’s just kind of a side joke about Reddit.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:28] Erik: Get those internet points.
[1:03:28 – 1:03:40] Erik: There’s responses that are what they are, and they don’t matter how many times people click the up arrow and how many times people click the down arrow.
[1:03:40 – 1:03:42] Erik: It’s your true feelings and thoughts, and…
[1:03:44 – 1:03:51] Erik: The fact that at this point, you know that we are going to share those with however many people listen to that is really cool.
[1:03:51 – 1:03:54] Erik: And we can’t say thank you enough.
[1:03:55 – 1:03:57] Erik: And you’re not just doing it for other people.
[1:03:57 – 1:04:01] Erik: You’re elucidating me.
[1:04:02 – 1:04:12] Erik: I’m sure you too in some of the thoughts and experiences that although we are enthusiasts and have spent quite a bit of time out there, there is always a new perspective.
[1:04:14 – 1:04:19] Adam: Yeah, I’ll never stop adjusting my setup on a trip into the park, too.
[1:04:19 – 1:04:21] Erik: Yeah, or mindset.
[1:04:22 – 1:04:25] Erik: There’s a lot of times where you think you’ve got something super figured out.
[1:04:25 – 1:04:28] Adam: I think that’s part of this whole episode.
[1:04:28 – 1:04:29] Erik: That’s part of life, I think.
[1:04:30 – 1:04:32] Adam: Yeah, don’t ever be rigid in your thinking.
[1:04:33 – 1:04:33] Adam: Yeah.
[1:04:33 – 1:04:42] Adam: Don’t have that kind of set-in-your-ways approach.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:56] Adam: I think that’s the overall theme that I’ve gotten from people’s thoughts on this is just like the ability to be flexible and take what comes with being in the park, which is you never know what’s going to come out.
[1:04:56 – 1:04:56] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:58 – 1:04:59] Adam: That’s what the wilderness is all about.
[1:04:59 – 1:05:00] Adam: We don’t know.
[1:05:01 – 1:05:05] Adam: And the wilderness will do what it wants, and you just got to, you know, go with it.
[1:05:06 – 1:05:07] Adam: That’s the whole point of going in the park.
[1:05:08 – 1:05:09] Erik: I love it.
[1:05:09 – 1:05:19] Erik: Yeah, I mean, I think that the Boundary Waters canoe area is kind of a microcosm for just life in general and who you want to spend it with.
[1:05:20 – 1:05:20] Adam: Yeah.
[1:05:20 – 1:05:21] Erik: You know, it’s…
[1:05:22 – 1:05:23] Erik: Roll with the punches.
[1:05:24 – 1:05:26] Erik: Be out there with who makes you happy.
[1:05:28 – 1:05:30] Erik: And don’t take it too seriously.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:32] Erik: Truly.
[1:05:32 – 1:05:34] Erik: I don’t know what else there is to say.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:38] Adam: All right.
[1:05:39 – 1:05:46] Adam: Well, as our friends have said, and we will always say, happy paddling.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:47] Adam: Thanks for being with us.
[1:05:47 – 1:05:48] Adam: Thanks for listening.
[1:05:49 – 1:05:50] Adam: You know where to find us.
[1:05:50 – 1:05:53] Adam: Send us your ideas, stories, and thoughts.
[1:05:54 – 1:05:59] Adam: As always, I’ve been Adam, and I’m here with my good friend Eric.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:00] Adam: Thank you for listening.
[1:06:00 – 1:06:04] Adam: This has been episode 76 of Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[1:06:05 – 1:06:14] Adam: stern paddlers shout out to stern paddlers and also our friends in the bow good evening so
