117: That Old North Wind

Episode Transcript

[0:00:42 – 0:00:49] Erik: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:50 – 0:00:51] Erik: My name.
[0:00:52 – 0:00:58] Erik: Is and always has been Eric, and I am joined by my good friend Adam.
[0:00:58 – 0:00:59] Erik: Hello, Adam.
[0:00:59 – 0:00:59] Erik: I’m Adam.
[0:01:00 – 0:01:00] Erik: Hi.
[0:01:00 – 0:01:01] Erik: You are.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:02] Adam: Nice to meet you.
[0:01:02 – 0:01:03] Adam: I’m drinking night coffee.
[0:01:03 – 0:01:04] Adam: Night coffee?
[0:01:04 – 0:01:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:05 – 0:01:07] Adam: I got a whole thermos of night coffee here.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:07] Erik: Wow.
[0:01:08 – 0:01:11] Adam: It is nighttime, and we are in the…
[0:01:14 – 0:01:39] Erik: um studio v i heard from the geologist wife she’s not a huge fan of that name she thinks it should be called k2 oh yeah because you know for reasons i don’t want to give away so we don’t want any stalkers problem yeah yeah yeah you got to be careful what you reveal on the uh the internet
[0:01:39 – 0:01:43] Erik: Yeah, it’s like all those YouTubers on the flight simulator.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:46] Erik: Let’s fly over my house and show everybody where they live.
[0:01:47 – 0:01:47] Erik: Oops.
[0:01:47 – 0:01:48] Erik: Oops.
[0:01:48 – 0:01:49] Adam: Yeah, don’t self-docs.
[0:01:49 – 0:01:50] Adam: No.
[0:01:51 – 0:01:51] Adam: Is that what that means?
[0:01:52 – 0:01:53] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:53 – 0:01:55] Adam: Yeah, K2, that’s got a nice ring to it.
[0:01:55 – 0:01:57] Erik: Yeah, because it’s the 2nd.
[0:01:58 – 0:01:59] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:01:59 – 0:02:00] Adam: I like it.
[0:02:00 – 0:02:02] Adam: And the K. Studio K2.
[0:02:03 – 0:02:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:05 – 0:02:07] Adam: Studio K2 with the view.
[0:02:07 – 0:02:11] Adam: My name is Adam, joined here by Eric here on Tumble Home After Dark.
[0:02:11 – 0:02:15] Adam: We’re drinking night coffee here on episode 117, Eric.
[0:02:15 – 0:02:16] Adam: It’s 117.
[0:02:16 – 0:02:18] Adam: You’re drinking night coffee.
[0:02:18 – 0:02:20] Adam: 117 night coffee all around.
[0:02:20 – 0:02:21] Erik: Yes.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:23] Adam: Well, I’m pretty much done with the coffee.
[0:02:23 – 0:02:25] Erik: Oh, well, I’m still here.
[0:02:25 – 0:02:29] Adam: I came here to do two things, drink night coffee and drink some beer, and I’m all out of night coffee, Eric.
[0:02:29 – 0:02:30] Erik: Okay.
[0:02:30 – 0:02:32] Erik: What’s that guy’s name from Dazed and Confused?
[0:02:33 – 0:02:34] Adam: The greaser?
[0:02:35 – 0:02:36] Adam: No idea.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:37 – 0:02:40] Erik: Well, anyway, he’s the one that fights the nerd.
[0:02:40 – 0:02:41] Erik: Skids.
[0:02:41 – 0:02:41] Erik: Skids.
[0:02:42 – 0:02:43] Erik: They call me Scabs.
[0:02:44 – 0:02:49] Erik: We’re sponsored, as always, by our good friends on Patreon.
[0:02:50 – 0:02:52] Adam: Pew, pew, pew.
[0:02:52 – 0:02:53] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:02:53 – 0:02:54] Erik: Talk about Patreon.
[0:02:54 – 0:03:01] Erik: The storm that I drove down in from Clearwater down to the house today was literally like the end of the great outdoors.
[0:03:02 – 0:03:05] Erik: Like a Hollywood-esque thunderstorm.
[0:03:05 – 0:03:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:06 – 0:03:07] Adam: Wait, so you’ve already watched it?
[0:03:08 – 0:03:08] Erik: No, but I know.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:09] Adam: Like again?
[0:03:09 – 0:03:11] Erik: Well, I just know that that’s how the ending of the movie is.
[0:03:11 – 0:03:14] Adam: It’s been so long that I couldn’t remember that there’s a storm at the end of it.
[0:03:14 – 0:03:17] Adam: Oh, well, I’m not even certain I’ve seen the whole thing.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:21] Erik: Spoiler alert, there’s a thunderstorm at the end.
[0:03:21 – 0:03:22] Erik: Does it ruin the story for me?
[0:03:22 – 0:03:23] Erik: No, not at all.
[0:03:23 – 0:03:27] Erik: But it is like one of those Hollywood-esque thunderstorms where it’s like so insane.
[0:03:27 – 0:03:28] Erik: You’re like, it never storms like that.
[0:03:29 – 0:03:36] Erik: It was like constant thunder and lightning and pouring rain where the maxed out windshield setting, windshield wiper setting was like not enough.
[0:03:36 – 0:03:37] Adam: And let’s slow down.
[0:03:37 – 0:03:40] Adam: I’m pretty sure I saw lightning strike Durfee Creek on my way home.
[0:03:41 – 0:04:04] Erik: well i’ve said too much uh yeah so folks on patreon uh look forward to our tumble home cinema classics review of the great outdoors we are still uh we’re in the bart the bear hole it’s the bart the bear trilogy baby we gotta do it’s not a hole it’s a it’s a mountaintop this is k2 baby yeah so we’re talking uh dan akroyd john candy
[0:04:04 – 0:04:06] Adam: Yeah, I knew candy was in it.
[0:04:06 – 0:04:09] Adam: Is this the one where he ate the 96-ounce steak?
[0:04:09 – 0:04:09] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:04:10 – 0:04:10] Adam: Okay.
[0:04:10 – 0:04:12] Adam: I’ve definitely seen it then.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:14] Erik: What’s the director’s name?
[0:04:14 – 0:04:15] Erik: John Hughes?
[0:04:15 – 0:04:16] Adam: No idea.
[0:04:16 – 0:04:20] Erik: Well, you know the guy that he did all those classic 80s movies, like Home Alone, Sixteen Candles.
[0:04:20 – 0:04:21] Erik: Oh, okay.
[0:04:23 – 0:04:26] Erik: I’m sure there’s people screaming for the breakfast club.
[0:04:26 – 0:04:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:27 – 0:04:28] Erik: I think it’s John Hughes.
[0:04:28 – 0:04:29] Erik: Top Gun.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:30] Erik: He did them all.
[0:04:31 – 0:04:32] Erik: Top Gun, maybe not.
[0:04:33 – 0:04:34] Erik: But I could see it.
[0:04:34 – 0:04:35] Erik: You know, volleyball.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:35] Adam: Terminator 2.
[0:04:36 – 0:04:36] Adam: T2.
[0:04:37 – 0:04:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:04:37 – 0:04:38] Erik: I think he did RoboCop.
[0:04:39 – 0:04:39] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:43] Adam: All the people are just, stop drinking so much night coffee.
[0:04:43 – 0:04:44] Erik: Yeah.
[0:04:45 – 0:04:46] Erik: As well as our patrons.
[0:04:47 – 0:04:47] Erik: Thank you.
[0:04:48 – 0:04:49] Erik: Our friends on Patreon.
[0:04:49 – 0:04:53] Erik: We are also sponsored by Greg and Rick.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Erik: Thank you.
[0:04:55 – 0:05:06] Erik: We’ve got some Bent Paddle, Wilderness Tuxedo Pogs, and that stands for Passion Fruit, Orange, and Guava.
[0:05:07 – 0:05:08] Adam: These are sours.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:11] Adam: Have you been sponsored by a sour before?
[0:05:12 – 0:05:13] Adam: Absolutely.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:14] Adam: Check the link.
[0:05:17 – 0:05:18] Erik: Hopalicious, let us know.
[0:05:18 – 0:05:19] Erik: Have you been sponsored by a sour?
[0:05:20 – 0:05:21] Erik: Cheers, my night coffee man.
[0:05:22 – 0:05:23] Erik: Cheers, Eric.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:27] Adam: Oh.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:29] Erik: Pause the game.
[0:05:29 – 0:05:30] Adam: I gotta pause that.
[0:05:31 – 0:05:31] Adam: Spoiler alert.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:34] Adam: All right, so Eric, did he pause it?
[0:05:34 – 0:05:36] Adam: No, he’s going over to pause the game right now.
[0:05:37 – 0:05:41] Adam: Game four of the cup finals is on tonight, and so we’re pausing it.
[0:05:42 – 0:05:43] Adam: We already missed the goal.
[0:05:43 – 0:05:46] Adam: They just started the second, and it’s a good game it looks like.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:51] Adam: Anyways, Greg and Rick, we love you too.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:52] Adam: Thank you very much for the beer.
[0:05:53 – 0:05:55] Adam: It says right on the note they love us.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:57] Erik: Yes, we personally love you.
[0:05:58 – 0:05:59] Adam: We love all our patrons.
[0:05:59 – 0:06:02] Adam: Thank you very much for your support of the show.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:08] Adam: And I think also for Tumblum Cinema Classics, we were talking, we’ve got to do Over the Garden Wall.
[0:06:09 – 0:06:12] Adam: It features the great song, The Old North Wind.
[0:06:12 – 0:06:13] Adam: Yes.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:16] Adam: And Potatoes and Molasses.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:17] Erik: Classic.
[0:06:17 – 0:06:18] Adam: Oh, man.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:19] Adam: So many good ones in there.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:20] Adam: It’s a…
[0:06:21 – 0:06:21] Adam: Yeah.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:25] Adam: If anybody out there hasn’t seen it, go on and watch it.
[0:06:25 – 0:06:27] Adam: It’s like 10, 10-minute episodes.
[0:06:27 – 0:06:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:06:28 – 0:06:29] Adam: It’s the perfect thing for October.
[0:06:29 – 0:06:30] Adam: Wait till October, actually.
[0:06:30 – 0:06:32] Erik: It is the perfect October.
[0:06:32 – 0:06:36] Erik: There’s a lot of, you know, let me backtrack.
[0:06:36 – 0:06:48] Erik: There’s actually a lot of good October Halloween movies and content out there where I feel like Over the Garden Wall kind of grooves in, is perfectly into November.
[0:06:48 – 0:06:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:48 – 0:06:57] Erik: It’s not like a good Thanksgiving movie, but it kind of feels like it’s closer to an after Halloween, pre-Christmas.
[0:06:59 – 0:06:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:00 – 0:07:02] Adam: But it’s got people with pumpkins for heads, though.
[0:07:02 – 0:07:04] Erik: It does, and there’s skeletons.
[0:07:04 – 0:07:04] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:07:04 – 0:07:07] Adam: It’s just got that whole spooky vibe going on.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:08] Adam: It’s good all autumn.
[0:07:09 – 0:07:10] Adam: Yeah, well, we can look forward to that.
[0:07:10 – 0:07:13] Adam: It seems like something that we could very easily do.
[0:07:13 – 0:07:15] Adam: It’s got, you know, there’s a fish that fishes.
[0:07:15 – 0:07:16] Adam: They camp.
[0:07:17 – 0:07:18] Adam: They catch frogs.
[0:07:20 – 0:07:23] Adam: I think there’s a lot of aspects that we could discuss.
[0:07:23 – 0:07:25] Erik: And it’s a cartoon, which would be the first on TCC.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:26] Erik: Yeah, first one.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:28] Adam: But I don’t know.
[0:07:28 – 0:07:29] Adam: I think it’s good all autumn.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:30] Adam: Sure.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:31] Adam: I think we’re into autumn now, for sure.
[0:07:31 – 0:07:33] Erik: I think we are fully into autumn.
[0:07:33 – 0:07:34] Adam: The Stanley Cup Finals is on.
[0:07:35 – 0:07:36] Adam: Just classic, like always.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:44] Erik: I remember growing up as a youth and coming home after a cold, brisk day where the leaves were falling.
[0:07:45 – 0:07:51] Erik: Mom’s got the bowl of tomato soup, and we’d put on the Stanley Cup Finals.
[0:07:51 – 0:07:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:52 – 0:07:55] Adam: I just remember how that was always the way it was.
[0:07:55 – 0:08:00] Adam: It makes more sense to have it now than in the beginning of summer when it’s light till 11.
[0:08:00 – 0:08:01] Adam: Yeah, I guess.
[0:08:01 – 0:08:02] Adam: It does kind of make sense.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:05] Adam: What day is it anyway?
[0:08:05 – 0:08:05] Adam: Sunset tonight.
[0:08:05 – 0:08:07] Adam: It is September 25th.
[0:08:07 – 0:08:09] Adam: Is that right?
[0:08:11 – 0:08:11] Adam: Yeah, you’re right.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:12] Adam: I’m in charge of the date, no?
[0:08:13 – 0:08:14] Erik: Well, Ron Schera is in charge of the date.
[0:08:15 – 0:08:18] Adam: Ron Schera’s outdoor fact of the day from September 25th.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:41] Adam: oaks are raining acorns the sunset is at 7 0 4 p.m and the stanley cup finals is on strange times sounds about wrong but yeah it is happening in a couple days the fact was like leaves are changing color so that one’s maybe more applicable
[0:08:41 – 0:08:51] Erik: It’s maybe a little bit closer to the cities and or southern Minnesota because we are… We’re peaking up here on the shore.
[0:08:52 – 0:08:56] Erik: I would say maples are probably just a second beyond peak.
[0:08:56 – 0:09:01] Erik: They still got some life in them, but up on the gun flint, yeah, I took a…
[0:09:03 – 0:09:17] Erik: Towboat ride down the lake this, this, just this earlier evening, couple of hours removed from sitting in the towboat and our yellows are, yeah, they’re, they’re, I would say two to three days away from peak.
[0:09:18 – 0:09:25] Adam: Yeah, the maples at K1 are definitely up at Studio K. They’re looking pretty mint right now.
[0:09:26 – 0:09:28] Adam: And the birch are nice and bright yellow.
[0:09:28 – 0:09:32] Adam: But I tell you what, Eric, my two tammies, they’re still green.
[0:09:32 – 0:09:36] Erik: Well, the tamaracks are always like the… That’s the icing on the cake.
[0:09:36 – 0:09:37] Erik: Wait for the creme.
[0:09:37 – 0:09:38] Erik: Wait for the tamarack.
[0:09:38 – 0:09:39] Adam: Wait for the tamarack.
[0:09:39 – 0:09:40] Adam: Ah, ah, ah.
[0:09:40 – 0:09:42] Adam: Yeah, they’re not even close to starting.
[0:09:42 – 0:09:43] Adam: They’re like, what’s this?
[0:09:43 – 0:09:43] Adam: Like, whatever.
[0:09:44 – 0:09:45] Adam: This is nothing.
[0:09:45 – 0:09:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:09:46 – 0:09:48] Adam: They’re waiting for the sunset at 6, I think.
[0:09:48 – 0:09:51] Adam: That’s probably what they’re going to set their clocks to that.
[0:09:52 – 0:09:52] Adam: Yep.
[0:09:52 – 0:09:56] Adam: Second suggestion from Tori, Studio Tumble Homestead.
[0:09:56 – 0:09:58] Erik: How about that?
[0:09:59 – 0:10:00] Adam: I like K2 better.
[0:10:00 – 0:10:00] Erik: Okay.
[0:10:00 – 0:10:01] Erik: All right.
[0:10:01 – 0:10:01] Erik: Shorter the better.
[0:10:01 – 0:10:02] Erik: Glad I brought it up.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:10:05 – 0:10:07] Adam: It’s got some nice zip to it.
[0:10:09 – 0:10:11] Erik: It’s, yeah, I feel like it rolls off the tongue a little bit better.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:14] Erik: So we’re 10 minutes in.
[0:10:14 – 0:10:17] Erik: Still have done nothing, but… No, poetry doesn’t have to rhyme.
[0:10:17 – 0:10:18] Adam: Preamble.
[0:10:19 – 0:10:21] Erik: Just has to be creative.
[0:10:23 – 0:10:23] Erik: We’re talking wind.
[0:10:23 – 0:10:24] Erik: Wind.
[0:10:25 – 0:10:28] Erik: This week and, hey, big surprise next.
[0:10:29 – 0:10:39] Erik: And this week we’re going to talk our experiences, our thoughts, and we have some great input and content.
[0:10:39 – 0:10:40] Erik: We’ve got some exclusive content.
[0:10:41 – 0:10:46] Erik: From friend of the show, Andy, up at Tuscarora.
[0:10:47 – 0:10:48] Erik: And we’re going to…
[0:10:48 – 0:11:12] Erik: try to do our best to maybe couch it in the, like, hey, this is, you know, over the course of a summer, what I myself as an outfitter sees and suggests, and I don’t necessarily know if I’m going to, at the end of this podcast, have a 100% for sure, because it is so variable in what you do in windy situations.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:14] Erik: How much wind is too windy is
[0:11:15 – 0:11:18] Erik: You know, those overnight permits, you know, what can you get away with?
[0:11:19 – 0:11:21] Erik: It’s just too dangerous to go out on the water.
[0:11:21 – 0:11:24] Erik: Can I wait until tomorrow and still go in on my permit?
[0:11:25 – 0:11:31] Erik: We’re maybe going to hopefully try to give a little bit of a better understanding on that and share some.
[0:11:32 – 0:11:40] Erik: you know, wild experiences that I’ve seen operating the tow boat and just on our personal trips that we’ve had.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:51] Erik: But before we get to the, the winds, which is again, I would say the meat of this, this episode, we got to have the meat, get the meat.
[0:11:51 – 0:11:53] Adam: We should do a vegetarian episode someday.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:53] Adam: All right.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:58] Adam: Well, we’re going to get to the, what’s the meatiest, what’s the meatiest vegetable tempeh.
[0:11:58 – 0:11:59] Erik: That’s not a vegetable.
[0:12:00 – 0:12:01] Adam: That’s a meat.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:01] Adam: Eggs.
[0:12:02 – 0:12:03] Adam: What is tempeh?
[0:12:03 – 0:12:06] Adam: Scrambled eggs are my favorite vegetable.
[0:12:06 – 0:12:07] Adam: Scrambled eggs.
[0:12:07 – 0:12:09] Adam: It’s the meatiest of the vegetables, Eric.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:10] Adam: Okay.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:10] Adam: I mean.
[0:12:11 – 0:12:12] Adam: You work in food, no?
[0:12:13 – 0:12:13] Adam: Me?
[0:12:14 – 0:12:15] Adam: What’s the meatiest of the vegetables?
[0:12:15 – 0:12:16] Adam: Yeah, come on.
[0:12:16 – 0:12:19] Adam: It’s got to be like portobello mushroom, right?
[0:12:20 – 0:12:20] Adam: Eggplant?
[0:12:20 – 0:12:21] Adam: It’s pretty meaty.
[0:12:21 – 0:12:23] Adam: No, it’s not aubergine.
[0:12:23 – 0:12:25] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:12:25 – 0:12:27] Adam: I was going to go with like a good carrot.
[0:12:28 – 0:12:29] Adam: A good carrot?
[0:12:29 – 0:12:30] Adam: Maybe a potato.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:31] Adam: Sure.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:32] Adam: I think a potato.
[0:12:32 – 0:12:37] Adam: The hash brown is the meatiest of the vegetables, but I guess potatoes aren’t really a vegetable either.
[0:12:38 – 0:12:39] Erik: Well, you heard it here first.
[0:12:39 – 0:12:41] Erik: Potatoes are not a vegetable.
[0:12:41 – 0:12:42] Adam: Neither are portabellas.
[0:12:42 – 0:12:43] Adam: Carrots aren’t either.
[0:12:43 – 0:12:45] Adam: We haven’t named one vegetable yet.
[0:12:45 – 0:12:46] Adam: Come on.
[0:12:46 – 0:12:46] Adam: The eggplant maybe.
[0:12:46 – 0:12:47] Adam: Those are all vegetables.
[0:12:47 – 0:12:48] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:12:48 – 0:12:48] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:49 – 0:12:51] Adam: What part of the… What aisle are you finding?
[0:12:51 – 0:12:53] Adam: If it’s not bloody, it’s a vegetable.
[0:12:54 – 0:12:55] Adam: What about beans?
[0:12:56 – 0:12:57] Adam: Beans are a vegetable.
[0:12:57 – 0:12:58] Adam: Yes.
[0:12:58 – 0:13:00] Erik: It’s meat and vegetables and fruit.
[0:13:00 – 0:13:01] Erik: Good bean.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:03] Erik: It’s sweet and it doesn’t have blood in it.
[0:13:03 – 0:13:04] Erik: It’s a fruit.
[0:13:06 – 0:13:07] Erik: And then, you know, the other ones.
[0:13:07 – 0:13:09] Adam: The bean of this episode is wind.
[0:13:10 – 0:13:12] Erik: The bean of this episode is wind.
[0:13:12 – 0:13:16] Erik: Before we get there, we have a couple of fun things to talk about.
[0:13:16 – 0:13:19] Erik: I don’t know what we want to maybe start calling this segment.
[0:13:19 – 0:13:22] Erik: Obviously, its umbrella term is correspondence.
[0:13:22 – 0:13:24] Adam: This was an email we received.
[0:13:24 – 0:13:25] Adam: Hold on.
[0:13:25 – 0:13:26] Adam: Correspondence.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:26] Adam: Hit it.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:28] Adam: Hit it, maestro.
[0:13:35 – 0:13:41] Erik: But it is also a direct email relating to last week when we were talking about Blackbeard.
[0:13:42 – 0:13:43] Erik: Oh, Blackbeard.
[0:13:43 – 0:13:44] Erik: Which I did run into.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:45] Erik: It’s frowned upon, Eric.
[0:13:46 – 0:13:47] Erik: It’s frowned upon.
[0:13:47 – 0:13:48] Erik: Bad form.
[0:13:48 – 0:13:49] Erik: Bad form.
[0:13:49 – 0:13:54] Erik: I ran into the couple that sent that story along.
[0:13:54 – 0:13:55] Erik: They dropped off some sponsorships.
[0:13:55 – 0:13:58] Erik: We’ll get to those in, I don’t know, February.
[0:13:59 – 0:14:02] Erik: Hopefully, Line and Kugel’s lasts that long.
[0:14:02 – 0:14:03] Erik: It does.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:04] Erik: Yeah, it keeps well.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:11] Erik: But we did say after that that it would be fun to hear other stories of fun portage experiences.
[0:14:12 – 0:14:13] Erik: And we’ve got another one here.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:18] Erik: And I almost could see this turning into like… You could see little like…
[0:14:19 – 0:14:20] Erik: What’s that show?
[0:14:21 – 0:14:22] Erik: The Canadians, Letter Kenny.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:23 – 0:14:29] Erik: Where it started as like little shorts were just like two minute little like portage interaction videos.
[0:14:30 – 0:14:35] Erik: And then we would never do the thing where they tried to turn it into a full show and then ruined it.
[0:14:35 – 0:14:35] Erik: Right.
[0:14:35 – 0:14:38] Erik: But I can’t think of what the name of that would be.
[0:14:39 – 0:14:39] Erik: But this is another.
[0:14:39 – 0:14:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:40 – 0:14:41] Erik: Well, like a little vignette.
[0:14:41 – 0:14:44] Erik: But what the name of it would be like, like portage video.
[0:14:46 – 0:14:48] Erik: Like pals or something.
[0:14:48 – 0:14:51] Erik: Like where you just run into people that you would never run into otherwise.
[0:14:53 – 0:14:54] Erik: And this one’s from John.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:56] Adam: Portage personalities.
[0:14:56 – 0:14:58] Adam: Portage personalities.
[0:14:58 – 0:15:00] Adam: I don’t have the drop ready for this one yet.
[0:15:00 – 0:15:01] Adam: You surprised me.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:02] Erik: It’s a work in progress.
[0:15:02 – 0:15:07] Erik: We encourage more of these because I think they’re pretty hilarious.
[0:15:07 – 0:15:20] Erik: I enjoyed the story read on your podcast submitted by a friend of the show that talked about their experience and encounter with Blackbeard, who thought that everyone on the portage should wait for his group to double portage before portaging themselves.
[0:15:21 – 0:15:24] Erik: You said you would be welcome to similar stories.
[0:15:24 – 0:15:25] Erik: Yes, we are.
[0:15:25 – 0:15:26] Erik: And here it is.
[0:15:27 – 0:15:31] Erik: I was in a group of three this past June going from Clearwater to Caribou.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:37] Erik: I was extra excited because one guy in my group is a really good friend of mine who lives in Oklahoma.
[0:15:38 – 0:15:40] Erik: And this was his first time in the BWCA.
[0:15:41 – 0:15:43] Erik: After being… Ooh, here we go.
[0:15:43 – 0:15:45] Erik: This is mainly why I’m reading it.
[0:15:45 – 0:15:51] Erik: After being excellently outfitted by Eric and his crew, we arrived at the portage to get to Caribou.
[0:15:52 – 0:15:57] Erik: That’s when we ran into an old man we would call Frowny McFrownface.
[0:15:57 – 0:15:59] Adam: I don’t like that.
[0:15:59 – 0:16:01] Erik: It makes me mad.
[0:16:01 – 0:16:07] Erik: I struck up a conversation with Frowny in an attempt to find out what campsite he had just vacated on Caribou.
[0:16:08 – 0:16:14] Erik: He then told us that he was just returning from a solo trip and couldn’t get out of the Boundary Waters fast enough.
[0:16:15 – 0:16:21] Erik: He said, I can finally take this off my bucket list and I will definitely never be back.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:25] Erik: I invited others to go with and they didn’t want to go.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:26] Erik: The weather sucks.
[0:16:27 – 0:16:28] Erik: The fishing sucks.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:30] Erik: I am out of here.
[0:16:30 – 0:16:35] Adam: That’s a funny way of saying nobody wants to hang out with you, Frowny.
[0:16:35 – 0:16:37] Erik: Yeah, I invited others to go and they didn’t want to go.
[0:16:37 – 0:16:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:38 – 0:16:40] Erik: The Bounty Waters is ruining friendships.
[0:16:40 – 0:16:41] Erik: I don’t have friends.
[0:16:42 – 0:16:47] Erik: Needless to say, this was not the most pleasant way to start the trip.
[0:16:47 – 0:16:51] Erik: There had been some light rain and wind, and I was discouraged to hear about the fishing.
[0:16:51 – 0:17:00] Erik: We pressed on and found the far eastern campsite on Caribou Open and had an ultimately unbelievable fun four days.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:01] Erik: That’s a good campsite.
[0:17:01 – 0:17:06] Erik: We enjoyed amazing weather, and the fishing was some of the best I have ever experienced in my life.
[0:17:07 – 0:17:07] Erik: Yes.
[0:17:07 – 0:17:07] Erik: Yes.
[0:17:07 – 0:17:08] Erik: Yes.
[0:17:30 – 0:17:31] Erik: This sucks.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:32] Erik: Let’s go home.
[0:17:32 – 0:17:33] Erik: The weather sucks.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:35] Erik: The fishing sucks.
[0:17:35 – 0:17:38] Erik: The joke never got old and it was funny every time.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:41] Erik: Thank you, Frowny McFrownface.
[0:17:41 – 0:17:43] Erik: Thank you, John, for that story.
[0:17:43 – 0:17:45] Erik: That is a great… That was excellent.
[0:17:45 – 0:17:56] Erik: The color of the Boundary Waters in terms of your interpersonal relationships as you run across folks and characters like that on the trails are just the…
[0:17:57 – 0:18:00] Erik: they’re like the accoutrement to the main course.
[0:18:01 – 0:18:05] Erik: And it can enhance greatly if you’ve got a good attitude about it.
[0:18:05 – 0:18:06] Erik: And it sounds like you did.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:10] Adam: Yeah, positive mental attitude and just go with the flow.
[0:18:11 – 0:18:11] Erik: Yes.
[0:18:12 – 0:18:13] Adam: These are the things we preach.
[0:18:14 – 0:18:38] Adam: i gotta give a sad shout out i got my own frowny mcfrown face today well actually it was yesterday i was leaving work and i dropped my favorite old nalgene from like knee height and it it cracked i didn’t even notice that at the time eric oh it fully cracked and uh i put it in the in spot for the ride home and then when i got home there’s a bunch of water i’m like what the heck’s going on here
[0:18:38 – 0:18:43] Adam: I didn’t even notice it when it happened, but there’s a pretty good crack on the bottom and definitely not holding water anymore.
[0:18:43 – 0:18:48] Adam: So your watch has ended, RIP.
[0:18:48 – 0:18:50] Adam: I really don’t care that much about the Nalgene.
[0:18:50 – 0:18:52] Adam: I have plenty of Nalgenes, but that one had my best sticker.
[0:18:53 – 0:18:54] Erik: The Gunflint Trail sticker?
[0:18:54 – 0:18:58] Adam: My old school Gunflint Trail sticker, the Voyager’s Highway.
[0:18:58 – 0:18:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:18:59 – 0:19:05] Adam: With the sweet old guy portaging the most convoluted huge canoe you could find.
[0:19:06 – 0:19:08] Erik: Full chaps, though, not buttless, right?
[0:19:08 – 0:19:09] Adam: Yeah, he could not see his butt.
[0:19:09 – 0:19:10] Adam: That’s pretty sad.
[0:19:11 – 0:19:17] Adam: Sticker could have been better, but I found that when we were renovating and ripping up the old office in Clearwater Lodge.
[0:19:18 – 0:19:18] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:19:18 – 0:19:22] Adam: And then to expand to make room for the new store way back in 2011.
[0:19:23 – 0:19:23] Adam: Yeah.
[0:19:23 – 0:19:31] Adam: We were ripping up carpet and sand and glue off the beautiful hardwood floors, but those stickers were in one of the drawers of the old office, so…
[0:19:32 – 0:19:33] Adam: Whoever put those in there, thanks a bunch.
[0:19:35 – 0:19:37] Adam: I really enjoyed that sticker for about a good decade there.
[0:19:38 – 0:19:39] Adam: It was a nice sticker.
[0:19:40 – 0:19:41] Adam: I wonder how old that sticker was.
[0:19:41 – 0:19:42] Adam: When was that printed?
[0:19:43 – 0:19:45] Erik: Who’s to say?
[0:19:46 – 0:19:47] Adam: So I put a picture of it on the Instagram.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:50] Adam: You can go check that out at tumblehomecast on Instagram.
[0:19:51 – 0:19:55] Adam: And if anybody has any more information on that sticker, I’d like to know where it came from.
[0:19:56 – 0:19:58] Adam: But if not, that’s fine.
[0:19:58 – 0:20:00] Adam: We had good memories with that bottle.
[0:20:01 – 0:20:08] Erik: And we’ve got some Tumblehome cast subreddit posts to shout out.
[0:20:08 – 0:20:09] Erik: Three in particular.
[0:20:10 – 0:20:11] Erik: Our Tumblehome cast.
[0:20:12 – 0:20:14] Erik: One of the funniest Coghlan’s products.
[0:20:15 – 0:20:17] Erik: Is this real or not?
[0:20:17 – 0:20:19] Erik: It’s in some time.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:26] Erik: So it’s possibly, this is the quote from the post, possibly the Coglinsiest Coglins item I’ve seen yet.
[0:20:26 – 0:20:26] Erik: It is.
[0:20:27 – 0:20:34] Erik: And it is a survival kit in a can containing 33 items for signaling and creating warmth and shelter.
[0:20:34 – 0:20:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:36 – 0:21:04] Erik: what this can’t be right this has got to be a photoshop job i know that’s i that was my comment is it took me i couldn’t tell right away whether or not it had been photoshopped well yeah i mean not the yeah i don’t know i’m not sold and the top comment from total bogey was one of my favorites no one man should have all that power no one man should have all that power yeah is that kanye quote yeah i think it is
[0:21:05 – 0:21:29] Adam: yeah it’s filled with junk it’s just filled with a bunch of crap yeah that’s all i saw the one comment mine’s full of sardines yeah wow i don’t i still don’t believe this is real but 33 items if it is if it’s not real excellent photoshop job and if it is real don’t send us a bunch of them i don’t need to see this one in person the picture is beautiful we could use one we
[0:21:30 – 0:21:31] Adam: I think it’d be fun to crack it open.
[0:21:31 – 0:21:35] Adam: We need one for Studio K and one for Studio K2 with the view.
[0:21:35 – 0:21:41] Erik: I love that it’s like, Coglins, have you never heard of Leave No Trace?
[0:21:41 – 0:21:47] Erik: You literally are sending out a tin can lid that cannot be resealed, filled with just a bunch of small crap.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:49] Adam: So what’s in it?
[0:21:50 – 0:21:52] Adam: I can’t tell from the picture what any of that is supposed to be.
[0:21:52 – 0:21:59] Erik: A multifunction survival tool, sewing needle, signal whistle, survival slash first aid information pamphlet.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:00] Erik: No, that’s worthless.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:02] Erik: A pencil slash notepaper.
[0:22:03 – 0:22:06] Adam: Oh, that’s to write your final will and testament.
[0:22:06 – 0:22:17] Erik: Three feet of reflective cord, a compass, two fire starter cubes, 9.8 inches of multi-use cord.
[0:22:17 – 0:22:19] Erik: I guess that’s separate from the reflective cord.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:22] Adam: You can use that to drop your snake bite.
[0:22:23 – 0:22:24] Adam: Four waterproof matches.
[0:22:24 – 0:22:26] Adam: Yeah, well, you’re going to need those.
[0:22:27 – 0:22:33] Erik: Ooh, Tony Hopkins could have used the 101 inches of fish line slash sewing thread.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:36] Erik: Oh, there’s fish in that stream.
[0:22:37 – 0:22:41] Erik: Three twist ties, a foot of duct tape, a signal mirror.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:44] Adam: How big is this can?
[0:22:44 – 0:22:45] Erik: It doesn’t look that big.
[0:22:45 – 0:22:47] Erik: It’s like literally a sardine can.
[0:22:48 – 0:22:51] Erik: Two safety pins, two fish hooks, a razor blade, and a tea light.
[0:22:52 – 0:22:53] Adam: This is like a magical can.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:56] Adam: Like Newt’s.
[0:22:57 – 0:23:01] Adam: Newt from Fantastic Beasts.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:03] Adam: Just keep pulling stuff out of there.
[0:23:03 – 0:23:04] Adam: It’s like a clown can.
[0:23:05 – 0:23:06] Adam: Coghlan’s Clown Can.
[0:23:07 – 0:23:13] Erik: Max, you backslash Max Kaven, friend of the show.
[0:23:14 – 0:23:17] Erik: Fun video from a recent trip he took out onto South Lake.
[0:23:18 – 0:23:18] Erik: Check that one out.
[0:23:18 – 0:23:19] Adam: Beautiful South.
[0:23:19 – 0:23:21] Erik: That is a YouTube video.
[0:23:22 – 0:23:34] Erik: And then one of the more popular posts in recent memory from you, backslash boats and hoedags, chanterelles and lake trout for a BWCA harvested meal.
[0:23:35 – 0:23:38] Erik: And it looks like a hell of a meal.
[0:23:38 – 0:23:39] Adam: Is there biscuits?
[0:23:40 – 0:23:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:23:40 – 0:23:45] Erik: I was going to say underreported amazing biscuits down on the bottom.
[0:23:45 – 0:23:46] Adam: Everybody else is looking at that fish.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:48] Adam: I’m like, oh, man, look at those biscuits, though.
[0:23:48 – 0:23:49] Adam: Look at those biscuits.
[0:23:49 – 0:23:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:50 – 0:23:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:51 – 0:23:54] Adam: It’s a nice old school Smith foundry.
[0:23:55 – 0:23:55] Adam: Great, too.
[0:23:55 – 0:23:56] Adam: I think there was a comic.
[0:23:56 – 0:23:57] Adam: To make that picture perfect.
[0:23:57 – 0:23:59] Erik: Appreciating the old style great.
[0:24:00 – 0:24:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:00 – 0:24:01] Erik: In the old ways.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:02] Erik: From Barbs Bannock.
[0:24:03 – 0:24:04] Adam: Some of us follow the old ways.
[0:24:05 – 0:24:06] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:11] Erik: And top comment, again, from Total Bogey, everything about this picture is awesome to me.
[0:24:11 – 0:24:12] Erik: Look at the sweater.
[0:24:12 – 0:24:14] Erik: The sweater, the mustache, the hat.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:14] Erik: The demeanor.
[0:24:15 – 0:24:19] Erik: The confidence at which that fish is being dropped or pulled.
[0:24:19 – 0:24:21] Erik: It looks like it might be coming out of the pan.
[0:24:21 – 0:24:25] Adam: I know for a fact that he is a professional, so it makes sense.
[0:24:26 – 0:24:30] Erik: Yeah, thanks for the content out there, friends.
[0:24:31 – 0:24:32] Erik: Good stuff.
[0:24:33 – 0:24:45] Erik: The only other thing I have to say before we get into some wind, some comments that we have not actually heard from Andy up at Tuscarora on wind is…
[0:24:45 – 0:24:49] Erik: This was a post a few weeks back on Tumble Homecast, just…
[0:24:50 – 0:24:54] Erik: Generally asking where people get some of their used gear from, and I suggest it.
[0:24:54 – 0:24:55] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:24:55 – 0:25:02] Erik: A lot of times, outfitters have garage sales at the end of the season or beginning of the season or would be willing to part with some of those things.
[0:25:03 – 0:25:08] Erik: And I’m using this platform right now to tell you that Clearwater is having a garage sale.
[0:25:08 – 0:25:09] Erik: Shameless.
[0:25:09 – 0:25:30] Erik: self-promotion believe it or not october 17th and 18th i’m selling canoe packs i’m selling eureka timberlines i got sleeping bags sleeping pads i got canoes i got all the pots and pans you could fully outfit yourself for under i would say probably 150 less than 100 maybe and wow saturday sunday
[0:25:35 – 0:25:35] Erik: Cash only.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:36] Erik: Outside.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:37] Adam: Cash is king.
[0:25:38 – 0:25:39] Adam: And first come, first serve.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:41] Adam: Come on up.
[0:25:41 – 0:25:42] Adam: Is it Saturday and Sunday, you said?
[0:25:43 – 0:25:43] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:25:43 – 0:25:43] Adam: Yep.
[0:25:44 – 0:25:45] Adam: The 18th?
[0:25:45 – 0:25:46] Adam: 17th and 18th.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:46] Adam: Yep.
[0:25:47 – 0:25:48] Adam: No holds.
[0:25:48 – 0:25:48] Adam: No holds.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:49] Adam: Cash is king.
[0:25:50 – 0:25:51] Adam: Yep.
[0:25:51 – 0:25:53] Adam: Maybe I’ll make my way up there on Sunday.
[0:25:53 – 0:25:53] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:53 – 0:25:54] Adam: Got some granite.
[0:25:54 – 0:25:54] Adam: Move some canoes?
[0:25:55 – 0:25:59] Erik: I think it’s going to be a little too early for a canoe move.
[0:25:59 – 0:26:00] Adam: I’m going to wait until more like Halloween.
[0:26:00 – 0:26:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:26] Erik: yeah yeah and that’s i mean this is completely off topic from everything but i’ve had questions going you know going forward into the fall as to you know how late are you outfitting i’m sending canoes out until the water freezes until the wind stops making waves or yeah until the wind stops making waves and the the cold creeps in like a
[0:26:28 – 0:26:29] Erik: Creepy clown.
[0:26:30 – 0:26:30] Erik: Something like that.
[0:26:31 – 0:26:36] Adam: I’ve got to say, I’ve gotten most of my gear from the Clearwater Garage Sale over the years.
[0:26:37 – 0:26:38] Adam: There’s all sorts of good things in there.
[0:26:39 – 0:26:41] Adam: I’ve got multiple pieces of gear I’m still using to this day.
[0:26:42 – 0:26:46] Adam: I’ve acquired for a very reasonable cost from Clearwater Lodge.
[0:26:47 – 0:26:47] Adam: Good used gear.
[0:26:47 – 0:26:52] Erik: The only thing that you had that you no longer use that I can think of is that old flimsy…
[0:26:53 – 0:26:53] Erik: Crazy Creek.
[0:26:53 – 0:26:56] Adam: The old Crazy Creek cheer has been retired.
[0:26:56 – 0:26:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:57 – 0:26:59] Adam: But yeah, I got some old Therm-a-Rests that still work.
[0:27:00 – 0:27:01] Adam: The old ones work the best, honestly.
[0:27:01 – 0:27:03] Adam: That’s another one where the old ways are the best.
[0:27:03 – 0:27:07] Adam: To be honest with you… Those old Therm-a-Rests are just bulletproof.
[0:27:07 – 0:27:08] Adam: The older, the better.
[0:27:09 – 0:27:15] Erik: Any of the newer stuff that I’ve been getting, I blew through six out of the eight Crazy Creeks that I got.
[0:27:15 – 0:27:20] Erik: The rods, they shoot out of the top of that big sheath or whatever.
[0:27:20 – 0:27:20] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:27:21 – 0:27:28] Erik: I’m still sending out crazy creeks that I bought like 10 years ago that are fine, but the new ones, yeah, they look good, but they functionally just break down.
[0:27:29 – 0:27:33] Adam: I got my big granite gear pack, my big canoe pack.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:35] Adam: That thing is still going on trips.
[0:27:36 – 0:27:40] Adam: I don’t even want to say how good of a deal I got on that thing.
[0:27:40 – 0:27:40] Adam: It’s almost criminal.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:45] Erik: Well, you can find some criminal deals of a Clearwater Lodge.
[0:27:46 – 0:27:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:27:47 – 0:27:47] Adam: Sunday.
[0:27:47 – 0:27:48] Adam: Saturday.
[0:27:48 – 0:27:48] Adam: Saturday.
[0:27:48 – 0:27:49] Adam: Saturday.
[0:27:49 – 0:27:50] Erik: Sunday.
[0:27:50 – 0:27:50] Erik: Sunday.
[0:27:50 – 0:27:51] Erik: Sunday.
[0:27:51 – 0:27:53] Erik: October 17th and 18th.
[0:27:53 – 0:27:54] Erik: I’ll be signing autographs.
[0:27:54 – 0:27:57] Adam: You’ll be signing your, you know, packs.
[0:27:57 – 0:27:59] Adam: You’ll sign your cans of gas.
[0:27:59 – 0:28:00] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:02] Adam: I’ll be selling a bunch of used Nalgene’s.
[0:28:04 – 0:28:06] Adam: Oh, now I’m interested.
[0:28:06 – 0:28:07] Adam: I want to be up there.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:08] Adam: Peek your interest.
[0:28:08 – 0:28:09] Adam: Good deals on nail jeans.
[0:28:09 – 0:28:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:10 – 0:28:12] Adam: So, yeah, I might come up and tailgate.
[0:28:13 – 0:28:13] Adam: I might come up and tailgate.
[0:28:13 – 0:28:14] Adam: There you go.
[0:28:14 – 0:28:15] Adam: It’s a garage sale slash tailgate.
[0:28:15 – 0:28:17] Adam: I’ll come up and I’ll sign things too.
[0:28:17 – 0:28:19] Adam: Yeah, maybe we’ll do a live recording.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:21] Adam: I’m definitely not signing anything.
[0:28:21 – 0:28:22] Adam: Don’t even ask.
[0:28:22 – 0:28:25] Erik: Well, you could probably get away with being mostly anonymous.
[0:28:26 – 0:28:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:27 – 0:28:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:28 – 0:28:28] Adam: Nobody knows.
[0:28:28 – 0:28:29] Erik: No, nobody knows.
[0:28:29 – 0:28:31] Adam: Who’s that guy drinking beer in their lot?
[0:28:32 – 0:28:33] Adam: He’s just drinking beer.
[0:28:33 – 0:28:36] Erik: He’s just sitting in his car and drinking.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:38] Adam: That guy’s listening to the Packers game.
[0:28:38 – 0:28:41] Adam: The best reception for 99.7 FM is at Clearwater Lodge.
[0:28:41 – 0:28:42] Adam: The storm?
[0:28:42 – 0:28:43] Adam: The storm.
[0:28:45 – 0:28:45] Adam: Nice.
[0:28:45 – 0:28:51] Erik: Speaking of storms, speaking of winds, which can occur without a storm.
[0:28:53 – 0:28:56] Erik: That’s what the majority of the rest of this episode is going to be about.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:59] Erik: And I promise you the majority of next week’s episode.
[0:29:01 – 0:29:05] Erik: And it is always a concern.
[0:29:06 – 0:29:13] Erik: We’ve talked about the concern of wind, I think, briefly at times over the past three years.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:17] Erik: We had a whole episode on wind in camp, right?
[0:29:17 – 0:29:18] Adam: Yeah, I hate wind.
[0:29:19 – 0:29:21] Erik: Well, on the water, yeah, wind is the worst.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:24] Erik: And even on land, sometimes it’s just annoying.
[0:29:24 – 0:29:26] Adam: No, I’m sick of wind.
[0:29:26 – 0:29:28] Adam: I’ve been sick of wind for seven, eight years at this point.
[0:29:28 – 0:29:29] Erik: But…
[0:29:29 – 0:29:29] Adam: I’ve had it.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:31] Adam: To be honest with you…
[0:29:31 – 0:29:35] Adam: Apparently it serves a purpose, but I don’t agree with it.
[0:29:35 – 0:29:42] Erik: Well, I think it serves a purpose in terms of flushing the system, just the ecosystem.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:43] Adam: That’s a good way of putting it, I guess.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:45] Erik: Because there was a stretch.
[0:29:45 – 0:29:46] Erik: I don’t remember when that was.
[0:29:47 – 0:29:48] Erik: A month, two months ago?
[0:29:50 – 0:29:50] Erik: Who knows?
[0:29:50 – 0:29:52] Erik: But it was just one of those week-long…
[0:29:54 – 0:30:21] Erik: spans of time where like it just the wind wasn’t blowing and you’re just like living in like a humid cloud the sun wasn’t out it was cloudy it was humid it was just stagnant yeah sure the water was like dead calm but it was just like it’s like too quiet yeah but the wind also can bring stuff to you like the haze it can that’s true that’s not the wind’s fault that’s the fire’s fault
[0:30:23 – 0:30:24] Adam: I think it’s the wind’s fault.
[0:30:25 – 0:30:26] Erik: Okay, well.
[0:30:27 – 0:30:28] Adam: I’m not down with the wind.
[0:30:28 – 0:30:29] Adam: Why is it even happening?
[0:30:30 – 0:30:31] Erik: Well, that’s a question.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:33] Adam: Can we get a Wikipedia check?
[0:30:33 – 0:30:34] Adam: Why is wind?
[0:30:35 – 0:30:35] Adam: I want to know.
[0:30:36 – 0:30:37] Erik: All right, well, we’ll do a little bit of research.
[0:30:37 – 0:30:41] Erik: Maybe next week we’ll come back with some factual information on why wind exists.
[0:30:41 – 0:30:43] Erik: I’ll send an email to Paul Hutner, see if he has anything to say.
[0:30:43 – 0:30:45] Adam: Yeah, Paul, special guest of the show, Paul.
[0:30:45 – 0:30:47] Erik: Why is wind?
[0:30:47 – 0:30:48] Erik: Why is wind?
[0:30:48 – 0:30:53] Erik: But it does have a great effect, I would say.
[0:30:54 – 0:31:05] Erik: The most intense, immediately noticeable, and aspect, and aspect, uh,
[0:31:06 – 0:31:12] Erik: Of weather that should be on your radar when you’re trying to plan a trip.
[0:31:13 – 0:31:14] Erik: No doubt.
[0:31:14 – 0:31:18] Adam: I mean, it’s like the number one reason I want to have a weather radio if we’re going on a longer trip.
[0:31:20 – 0:31:27] Adam: When those happen, you know, I want to make sure I have the weather radio because it really can change your day more than anything.
[0:31:27 – 0:31:29] Adam: I don’t really care if it’s raining, you know.
[0:31:29 – 0:31:31] Adam: Sure, thunder and lightning, you got to pull over and stop, but…
[0:31:32 – 0:31:36] Adam: Generally, that’s not going to wreck your whole day if you play it right.
[0:31:37 – 0:31:44] Adam: But yeah, wind can really alter your whole course out there, and it can really bog you down for days, days and days.
[0:31:45 – 0:31:46] Adam: Yeah, for sure.
[0:31:46 – 0:31:47] Adam: I’ve never had that happen with a thunderstorm.
[0:31:48 – 0:31:49] Adam: I can paddle in the rain.
[0:31:50 – 0:32:02] Erik: It’s kind of one of those things that if you’re just starting out in planning the Boundary Waters experience, your first trip, it’s hard to get used to adjusting to that experience.
[0:32:04 – 0:32:16] Erik: and noticing on the forecast, because 99% of the time, if you’re doing anything outside, what you’re looking at in the forecast is, am I going to get wet or not?
[0:32:17 – 0:32:18] Erik: Is it going to rain?
[0:32:19 – 0:32:20] Erik: And that’s what everybody always looks at.
[0:32:20 – 0:32:21] Adam: What’s the rain doing?
[0:32:21 – 0:32:24] Adam: You can’t ever tell anyways if it’s going to rain or not up here.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:29] Adam: You can say it’s 100% chance of sun and it’ll rain on you, or you can say 100% chance of rain and it’s sunny all day.
[0:32:30 – 0:32:31] Adam: That’s not uncommon.
[0:32:31 – 0:32:31] Erik: Right.
[0:32:32 – 0:32:35] Adam: But they usually get the wind forecast somewhat correct.
[0:32:35 – 0:32:40] Erik: Winds are usually enough of the ballpark where, yeah, you get a good sense of what’s coming.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:42] Erik: I think you got to watch those ISO bars, Eric.
[0:32:43 – 0:32:44] Erik: Watch the ISO bars.
[0:32:44 – 0:32:46] Erik: Well, we’re going to get into ISO bars next week.
[0:32:46 – 0:32:47] Erik: All right.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:51] Erik: But it’s always one of those things that people always just look at the, is it okay to go out?
[0:32:51 – 0:32:52] Erik: It looks like it’s going to rain.
[0:32:53 – 0:32:54] Erik: Well, yeah, it’s supposed to be calm.
[0:32:55 – 0:33:10] Erik: So if you can handle getting wet, which I guess that’s a personal choice and what you’ve got for rain gear as to being able to stay comfortable in that, it’s not going to affect anything.
[0:33:11 – 0:33:14] Erik: your, you know, safety and paddling of a canoe on the lake.
[0:33:15 – 0:33:17] Erik: So like, yeah, I’m 20 years old.
[0:33:17 – 0:33:19] Erik: I’ve never been on a canoe trip before.
[0:33:19 – 0:33:22] Erik: All I’ve done is like hiking, biking, all this other stuff.
[0:33:22 – 0:33:25] Erik: Like wind is the least involved factor of any of that.
[0:33:25 – 0:33:29] Erik: So then all of a sudden you’re planning this Boundary Waters trip and it can catch you off guard.
[0:33:30 – 0:33:39] Erik: So yeah, I would say if there’s anything that comes in terms of like my advice is it’s just look at that in terms of the forecast.
[0:33:39 – 0:33:40] Erik: Heed the wind.
[0:33:40 – 0:33:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:41 – 0:33:41] Erik: Yes.
[0:33:42 – 0:33:44] Erik: Keep the wind forecast in mind.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:49] Erik: And I’ve just noticed recently the weather service, the…
[0:33:51 – 0:34:15] Erik: weather.gov national weather services started forecasting wind out farther they used to only go three days and now they’re going like out to six days which is kind of crazy i don’t know if i trust it or not yeah i don’t trust it yeah you know especially watch out for that old north wind eric what way yeah it’s gonna furrow its brow you don’t want to see that
[0:34:16 – 0:34:17] Erik: You definitely don’t want to see that.
[0:34:18 – 0:34:40] Erik: So if there’s any kind of semblance of an order of operations and what we’re discussing here, I would say the best bit of advice is be prepared and know what the wind is going to do, especially when you bring that information in context with what your route is.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:43] Erik: You know, when people call up and they’re asking about the Clearwater Loop.
[0:34:44 – 0:34:50] Erik: I’m always like, well, obviously an entry point allows you to enter, but from there you can go and do whatever you want.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:53] Erik: So which way do you want to do the Clearwater Loop?
[0:34:54 – 0:35:02] Erik: Maybe if you take a look at the forecasts and there’s a certain day where there’s a heavier west wind that can maybe affect…
[0:35:04 – 0:35:09] Erik: How you attack Pine Lake considering it’s 10 mile length east to west.
[0:35:10 – 0:35:10] Adam: Yeah, that’s the one.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:12] Adam: Especially on big water.
[0:35:12 – 0:35:16] Adam: Yeah, you want to make sure you’re avoiding the wrong kind of wind on the big water.
[0:35:17 – 0:35:19] Adam: Because on the smaller lakes you can handle almost anything.
[0:35:20 – 0:35:20] Adam: Right.
[0:35:20 – 0:35:21] Adam: Unless it’s really whipping.
[0:35:22 – 0:35:34] Erik: I mean, yeah, it’s always hard for me when it comes to the size of the lakes, like you were saying, like when people will call and they’ll ask, it sounds like Clearwater is like a windier lake.
[0:35:35 – 0:35:39] Erik: It’s like, well, it’s not that Clearwater is a windier lake.
[0:35:40 – 0:35:44] Erik: It’s just it’s going to affect you more than a smaller lake.
[0:35:44 – 0:35:48] Erik: But if it’s super windy, all lakes are the same, I would say.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:51] Erik: It doesn’t matter the size of it.
[0:35:51 – 0:35:54] Erik: I mean, you could be on Round Lake.
[0:35:54 – 0:35:56] Adam: Have you ever been on Liz Lake when it’s windy?
[0:35:56 – 0:35:57] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:57] Erik: That’s nuts.
[0:35:57 – 0:36:01] Erik: I’ve been on Windy Liz Lake, and that’s a tiny little lake, you would think.
[0:36:01 – 0:36:02] Erik: It’s in a straight line, though.
[0:36:02 – 0:36:02] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:03 – 0:36:07] Erik: If it funnels right in the certain path that the lake lies in,
[0:36:11 – 0:36:16] Erik: At the end of the day, if it’s windy, it’s going to be windy.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:29] Adam: Another thing to think about, too, is when you’re looking at your map and maybe you’re listening to the weather radio in camp that night and it’s saying, oh, we got a west-northwest 10 to 15, gust to 20.
[0:36:30 – 0:36:37] Adam: And you look at it and it’s like, all right, well, you just think it’s going to always be blowing northwest or maybe just straight west.
[0:36:38 – 0:36:45] Adam: But then the wind on these lakes tends to funnel and do funny things where it’ll just follow the contour of the lake.
[0:36:45 – 0:36:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:46 – 0:36:51] Adam: So a northwest wind can certainly be blowing out of the southwest if that’s the direction the lake is oriented in.
[0:36:53 – 0:37:01] Adam: So you don’t just automatically assume that it’s going to follow what the forecast says because the wind will kind of be changed locally just by the shape of the lake itself.
[0:37:01 – 0:37:02] Erik: Yeah.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:11] Adam: And I’ve been on Clearwater where I’ve been paddling both into a headwind and then a tailwind in which it’s generally, well, it’s an east to west lake.
[0:37:11 – 0:37:12] Adam: How much can it really change it?
[0:37:12 – 0:37:15] Adam: But it’s just these subtle differences in the way the…
[0:37:15 – 0:37:21] Adam: the lake gets shaped and then the wind can change just a little bit and all of a sudden you’re into a headwind.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:31] Adam: How many times have you been out and you’re like, it’s supposed to be a west wind and you’re literally in a headwind pointing east because just the way it came down this little ridge line in front of you.
[0:37:32 – 0:37:36] Erik: Well, especially Clearwater because it’s like that upside down shallow horseshoe.
[0:37:36 – 0:37:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:37:37 – 0:37:41] Erik: Like there’s not too many winds that you won’t be affected by.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:43] Erik: You’ll get it at some point in the lake.
[0:37:43 – 0:37:46] Erik: It’s not like Pine, which is like a straight line east-west.
[0:37:47 – 0:37:50] Erik: And it’s not like, you know, obviously we’re just…
[0:37:51 – 0:38:17] Adam: clearly skewed to the vento unit and using these lakes as examples but like you know uh take like duncan or rose i was just gonna say duncan duncan’s notorious for like any wind you’re gonna feel it out there our high energy attack on duncan lake episode from last year we talked about this phenomenon on the triangle lake effect in which it doesn’t matter what the wind is it’s always in your face every anywhere you’re going on that lake yeah it’s just a headwind
[0:38:17 – 0:38:38] Erik: Yeah, and then, I don’t know, I don’t have any science to back this up, but the lakes in our neck of the woods and the Vento, they’ve got a little bit more of that Logan intrusion kind of grain of the land with the big hills and the palisades and the cliffs.
[0:38:39 – 0:38:44] Erik: Hard to say if that plays a factor into funneling winds or not.
[0:38:44 – 0:38:52] Erik: We’re blocking it maybe in some cases more, but I think at the end of the day, if it’s windy, it’s going to be windy no matter what.
[0:38:53 – 0:39:03] Erik: But outside of sizes of lakes, you know, other things that you can look at in preparation for a trip is, you know, like take Seagull, for example.
[0:39:05 – 0:39:13] Erik: Yeah, it’s a massive lake on paper, but really like what’s the most like open expanse of open water?
[0:39:13 – 0:39:28] Erik: There’s tons of islands, tons of little nooks and crannies that I think in the episode where I was describing a day at Clearwater, there was a trip I was sending out on that day that was one of the windiest.
[0:39:29 – 0:39:34] Erik: In my experience, I had a group of some guys going out up on Seagull and I was like, what am I going to do with these guys?
[0:39:35 – 0:39:59] Erik: and then we kind of started looking at the map and it’s like well it’s a northwest wind we can put you in up at trails end campground and then like you can just hug that north shore and then they came off the water and they said yeah we basically made it all the way to alpine that day just hugging shores and bobbing and weaving and it wasn’t too bad so yeah you know that’s you’re smart about it yeah for sure um
[0:39:59 – 0:40:01] Erik: So, yeah, preparation.
[0:40:01 – 0:40:04] Erik: Check that wind forecast.
[0:40:04 – 0:40:10] Erik: If it says it’s a west wind, it means it’s blowing from the west to the east.
[0:40:10 – 0:40:16] Erik: It’s a surprising question I get a lot, and I think that also speaks to just how little people pay attention to wind.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:17] Adam: Right.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:19] Adam: They’re like, oh, it’s west wind, so it’s going west?
[0:40:19 – 0:40:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:40:20 – 0:40:21] Adam: No, it’s from the west.
[0:40:21 – 0:40:22] Erik: From the west, yeah.
[0:40:23 – 0:40:24] Erik: So…
[0:40:25 – 0:40:32] Erik: And then I guess next would be when is it too much wind?
[0:40:32 – 0:40:39] Adam: I was going to say, I was going to ask you, when you’re reading the forecast in the morning, what’s the wind where it gets your attention?
[0:40:40 – 0:40:40] Erik: 20.
[0:40:41 – 0:40:46] Erik: 20 is when it starts jumping off, making myself very apparent that, okay.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:54] Adam: As soon as I see even a gust to 20, it’s like, okay, that could be troubling if you got in the wrong spot.
[0:40:55 – 0:41:00] Adam: Not that it’s anything you couldn’t get out of, but it’s just like, why put yourself in that kind of stress at that point?
[0:41:00 – 0:41:05] Adam: If it’s going to be 20s, then you’re going to want to avoid parts of the lake where that could be the worst.
[0:41:06 – 0:41:07] Erik: For sure.
[0:41:07 – 0:41:13] Erik: And then there’s also the context of what… Look at what the weather is associated with it.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:23] Erik: And again, depending on where you are and who you’re working with, if you’re working with an outfitter, I’ve got a much… At least I’d like to think I do, a much better…
[0:41:25 – 0:41:39] Erik: um idea on like what a forecast means for winds like it’ll say like 10 to 15 gusting as high as 25 and based on the kind of weather that we’ve been having and what it’s forecasting for like
[0:41:40 – 0:42:01] Erik: rain or not i can give you a pretty good idea if that’s like well that’s something that’s slowly going to like build up over the course of a day so it’s like get out on the water early and get some miles behind you before that wind picks up or sometimes you can just tell it’s like well this is just one of those systems that’s going to move through it’s going to blow through the night it’s going to blow through the day and then you’re talking about
[0:42:02 – 0:42:11] Adam: Yeah, it’s a sick feeling when you wake up, you know, first light and it’s blowing the treetops above your hammock real bad already.
[0:42:12 – 0:42:14] Adam: Well, we’re in for a doozy, aren’t we?
[0:42:15 – 0:42:16] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:42:16 – 0:42:16] Erik: You just wake up.
[0:42:16 – 0:42:18] Adam: If you wake up to wind, you’re in for a doozy.
[0:42:18 – 0:42:19] Adam: It’s still dark.
[0:42:19 – 0:42:24] Adam: Because usually it is like a little build as the sun kind of drives it or whatever.
[0:42:24 – 0:42:25] Adam: The temperatures kind of rise up.
[0:42:26 – 0:42:26] Adam: Yeah.
[0:42:26 – 0:42:28] Adam: Usually in the morning it’s calm.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:30] Adam: But, yeah, if you wake up and it’s howling already.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:30] Adam: Yeah.
[0:42:31 – 0:42:35] Adam: I’ve had multiple mornings where you wake up to that and you’re just like, eh, cripes.
[0:42:35 – 0:42:35] Adam: Yeah.
[0:42:37 – 0:42:44] Erik: Yeah, the summer days, I would say like late June through late August.
[0:42:44 – 0:42:51] Erik: Those are the days where being on the water as early as possible is best because those are the ones that the winds will slowly pick up.
[0:42:52 – 0:42:58] Erik: And then your shoulder seasons are the ones where if it’s forecast that the winds are going to be blowing, that’s more of a they’re just going to be blowing.
[0:42:59 – 0:43:01] Erik: But it’s not a blanket statement necessarily.
[0:43:01 – 0:43:04] Erik: And if you’re working with an outfitter, just talk with them.
[0:43:04 – 0:43:18] Erik: Like they more than likely are living on that spot and have probably been there for years and have a pretty good idea on what the weather does and maybe what that forecast means a little bit more because…
[0:43:19 – 0:43:41] Erik: you know a lot of times it’ll still be one of those things where you’re like well i don’t know what does 60 chance of rain mean does it mean it’s gonna rain all day does it mean it’s like 60 chance where it’s gonna rain for like a minute you know what you know what does this wind mean is gonna start right away so do you think today’s storm was gonna be like the last really good thunderstorm of the year probably i don’t know looking at the forecast summer storm like uh
[0:43:41 – 0:43:45] Erik: Yeah, I was surprised to see that much lightning.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:49] Erik: No, no wind really at all.
[0:43:49 – 0:43:53] Erik: Just like super heavy rain and like almost constant lightning.
[0:43:54 – 0:44:01] Erik: I was surprised to see something like that on September 25th, which I think last year by about now we had already seen some snow.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:08] Adam: Yeah, I always get really excited for the first thunder of the spring.
[0:44:08 – 0:44:14] Adam: But, yeah, it’s a little sad to think that could have been the last good thunder of the season.
[0:44:14 – 0:44:14] Adam: Yep.
[0:44:15 – 0:44:15] Adam: Who knows?
[0:44:16 – 0:44:16] Adam: Who knows?
[0:44:16 – 0:44:18] Adam: You get some warm weather in October.
[0:44:18 – 0:44:19] Adam: I bet we see one more.
[0:44:19 – 0:44:20] Erik: I want a long fall.
[0:44:20 – 0:44:21] Erik: I’m on record.
[0:44:21 – 0:44:22] Adam: Always.
[0:44:22 – 0:44:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:38] Erik: So, continuing on with wind from, like, just our perspective, you know, we have talked about this, you know, I think it, at the end of the day, boils down to a safety thing, and really…
[0:44:40 – 0:44:46] Erik: If it’s outside of your comfort level to be paddling, probably best to not paddle.
[0:44:47 – 0:44:56] Erik: But that’s coming from a couple of guys that have probably been on the water a number of times when we definitely should not have been.
[0:44:57 – 0:44:59] Erik: And I don’t think we necessarily need to like recap those.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:04] Erik: I think we’ve talked at length a number of times about some of those harrowing days up in Quantico.
[0:45:04 – 0:45:05] Erik: Yeah, the danger zone.
[0:45:05 – 0:45:08] Adam: The day on Kasaka Quag.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:10] Adam: A couple days on Kasaka Quag.
[0:45:10 – 0:45:14] Adam: Coming across Cache Bay two years ago.
[0:45:14 – 0:45:16] Adam: I still have nightmares about Cache Bay.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:22] Erik: You know, it’s one of those things where it’s like, yeah, in the moment, I got to be somewhere.
[0:45:23 – 0:45:24] Erik: I got to get out.
[0:45:25 – 0:45:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:25 – 0:45:29] Erik: And, you know, you make that decision and then you get through with it.
[0:45:29 – 0:45:31] Erik: But the alternative is like…
[0:45:33 – 0:45:57] Erik: not never getting there at all yeah what’s worse than a no call no show is dying yeah just never coming back to work never again went back to work um he’s in the briny deep so yeah i mean at clear water it’s one of those things where it depends on the time of year early or late i make a little bit of a more black and white decision on like i’m not sending out canoes today
[0:45:58 – 0:45:59] Adam: Yeah, what’s your limit?
[0:45:59 – 0:46:02] Adam: Do you have a wind-o-meter?
[0:46:02 – 0:46:04] Adam: I don’t have a wind-o-meter.
[0:46:05 – 0:46:05] Adam: Wind-o-meter?
[0:46:05 – 0:46:06] Adam: Wind-o-meter.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:08] Adam: You got one of them up on the roof of the lodge?
[0:46:08 – 0:46:19] Erik: Yeah, I have multiple wind socks in multiple locations that can triangulate my success in not killing rentals.
[0:46:21 – 0:46:29] Erik: Day canoes, like just Palisade trips, Rose Falls trips, those are the easiest ones to just be like, it’s just a day trip.
[0:46:29 – 0:46:29] Erik: Sorry, pal.
[0:46:30 – 0:46:31] Erik: Take a hike.
[0:46:31 – 0:46:34] Adam: Literally, just go take a hike up Honeymoon Bluff.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:36] Erik: Literally, just take a hike.
[0:46:36 – 0:46:40] Erik: Where it gets challenging is the overnight permits, which…
[0:46:42 – 0:47:10] Erik: I don’t know, you know, I think if it comes down to like literally life or death in terms of like, hey, it’s May 15th, it’s howling and the conditions are so dangerous that I’m going to wait a day and yes, technically void my permit in whatever that means, but I think in circumstances that are outside of the realm of like…
[0:47:12 – 0:47:16] Erik: Clearly being able to do anything about it, I think you’re okay.
[0:47:16 – 0:47:23] Erik: I don’t think a U.S. Forest Service ranger or an outfitter would necessarily make you feel bad about that.
[0:47:24 – 0:47:29] Erik: Because at the end of the day, it’s a camping trip in a wilderness with a made-up system to control permits.
[0:47:29 – 0:47:29] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:32] Adam: So the wind kind of controlled them for you there for a day.
[0:47:32 – 0:47:33] Adam: Yeah.
[0:47:33 – 0:47:34] Erik: And it’s pretty rare.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:40] Erik: It’s happened, though, where it’s been like, I mean, I know you have an overnight permit.
[0:47:40 – 0:47:41] Erik: You’re renting canoes from us.
[0:47:42 – 0:47:48] Erik: For anybody else, I would basically be saying, no, I’m not putting canoes out for day use permits.
[0:47:50 – 0:47:50] Erik: But…
[0:47:51 – 0:48:03] Erik: If I’ve got a way to accommodate somebody for an extra day in, you know, lodging, whatever that means, I’ll just say, you know, you really should probably wait until this dies down to a certain extent.
[0:48:03 – 0:48:11] Erik: And I’m sure there’s a number of stories out there of people driving up from, you know, all the way from up in cities or, or wherever with their own canoes and they get to a
[0:48:12 – 0:48:15] Erik: public access point and there’s just waves crashing at the beach or whatever.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:17] Erik: And, you know, that’s a different story.
[0:48:17 – 0:48:18] Erik: Do you camp in the parking lot?
[0:48:19 – 0:48:23] Erik: Do you try to find a place to stay and go out the next day?
[0:48:23 – 0:48:33] Erik: But, um, you know, there’s, I don’t think the importance of, uh, the quota system in the bunch was, um, Trump’s safety and human life.
[0:48:33 – 0:48:34] Erik: So,
[0:48:38 – 0:48:39] Erik: Anything else to say on wind?
[0:48:39 – 0:48:43] Erik: I’ve got some fun things from Andy at Tuscarora to play here.
[0:48:43 – 0:48:44] Erik: We’ve got his take.
[0:48:46 – 0:48:47] Adam: No, I want to hear what Andy has to say.
[0:48:48 – 0:48:49] Erik: All right.
[0:48:49 – 0:48:55] Erik: Well, let’s listen to see if maybe we’re way off.
[0:48:56 – 0:48:58] Erik: Maybe he’s got some better information.
[0:48:58 – 0:49:03] Erik: The wisdom, he’s going to come at it from a couple of different… Andy’s elucidations.
[0:49:04 – 0:49:32] Erik: elucidations yeah he talks about the blowdown which we’ve never talked about too much but he sounds like he’s got a bit to say on that that was a little bit before my time the wind the big wind you know like we call Lake Superior the big lake yes that’s the big wind the big wind the blowdown 99 4th of July yeah so let’s let’s see what Andy has to say about the wind and general safety in the Bodgewaters
[0:49:35 – 0:49:39] Andy: Alright, this is Andy up at Tuscarora, and we’re talking about the wind.
[0:49:40 – 0:49:48] Andy: Specifically, what are protocols for high wind days with groups with overnight permits, and if I have any wild stories from trips in the past.
[0:49:50 – 0:49:50] Andy: Um…
[0:49:52 – 0:50:06] Andy: In terms of official protocols for wind, you know, we use some strategic drop points, strategic areas that will start people off on their trips.
[0:50:06 – 0:50:08] Andy: And this is no secret to anyone.
[0:50:08 – 0:50:16] Andy: But a good example of that is, and well, not the best example, is definitely Seagull Lake.
[0:50:16 – 0:50:19] Andy: There are two ways to access Seagull.
[0:50:20 – 0:50:42] Andy: seagull publicly um blankenberg landing which is the most uh common public landing on seagull there um right right off the seagull lake access road and that’s a great public landing uh the issue with it is that if there’s a real stiff west wind or northwest wind or north wind um you can get your butt kicked
[0:50:42 – 0:50:45] Andy: getting out, you know, starting at that landing.
[0:50:45 – 0:50:58] Andy: And we will often on high windy days take the extra time to drive around to the end of the trail campground and start folks at the landing on Seagull Lake that’s in the campground there off the loop.
[0:50:59 – 0:51:04] Andy: And if you do Seagull trips and you don’t know about this landing, it’s worth taking a look at…
[0:51:05 – 0:51:14] Andy: It’s not labeled on a lot of maps, but there is parking there in the campground parking and a little, you know, public landing at Seagull.
[0:51:14 – 0:51:18] Andy: And that puts you on the north side of Seagull.
[0:51:19 – 0:51:25] Andy: And you are able to pop out onto Seagull Lake through the… You paddle up the Seagull River through the riffle and pop out onto Seagull there.
[0:51:26 – 0:51:28] Andy: And it can really…
[0:51:29 – 0:51:53] Andy: help uh get you away from that big open water because you kind of immediately get out into an area that is uh you know dotted with islands that you can hide behind you know work up your strength paddle out into the wind and then paddle up to the behind another island and keep working your way west there and and eventually it will put you into another big part of seagull but at least you are um
[0:51:54 – 0:51:57] Andy: you’re getting into an area with some real nice campsites.
[0:51:57 – 0:52:06] Andy: So you can set up camp if you’re obviously not going to make it down to the other end of Seagull because there’s a 40-mile-an-hour northwest or west wind.
[0:52:08 – 0:52:12] Andy: So we do stuff like that all the time with Seagull Lake.
[0:52:12 – 0:52:14] Andy: We also do it here on Round Lake.
[0:52:14 – 0:52:18] Andy: This is kind of a no-brainer, but we are on the eastern side of Round
[0:52:20 – 0:52:27] Andy: And even our tiny lake can get whipped up so much by a west wind that it’s not very fun to start your canoe trip right at our beach.
[0:52:27 – 0:52:35] Andy: So what we’ll do is load people in our van with a trailer and take them over to the public landing, which is on the north side of the lake, and start them off there.
[0:52:35 – 0:52:46] Andy: And if you’re using that, you know, even missing link, but especially the Brant Lake entry point, you can just hug the shoreline and sneak right over into west round there and start your trip.
[0:52:48 – 0:52:55] Andy: Saginaw, which is, you know, when you think of wind, that’s the number one lake you think of.
[0:52:56 – 0:52:57] Andy: On Sag, we will…
[0:52:58 – 0:53:16] Andy: Depending on what groups want, if there’s a real terrible wind and if their plan is to start an American Point with a towboat ride and it’s apparent that they’re not going to be leaving American Point that day, they’re going to get dropped off and just basically be stuck there.
[0:53:17 – 0:53:28] Andy: we will drop them off somewhere on the route along the way so they can paddle out and find a campsite on Sag and wait for that wind to die down and start their trip.
[0:53:28 – 0:53:43] Andy: You do lose a day to the wind every so often like that, but another part of our protocol or advice I guess you’d get from me is having realistic expectations about
[0:53:44 – 0:53:50] Andy: the wind and realistic expectations about what it can do for your trip.
[0:53:50 – 0:53:54] Andy: It’s much easier to work with Mother Nature than it is to work against her.
[0:53:55 – 0:54:04] Andy: So there are times when your big loop might be a little shorter because you’re going to have a 30 mile an hour west wind for two days and you may lose a day or two and
[0:54:05 – 0:54:12] Andy: um, having a good attitude about that is, is key, uh, for, for a successful canoe trip.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:16] Andy: Um, and it’s also key for safety.
[0:54:16 – 0:54:21] Andy: You know, there are, especially on the big lakes out here, um, you can get in trouble.
[0:54:22 – 0:54:26] Andy: Even, even very seasoned paddlers, um, can get in a lot of trouble.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:31] Andy: Seagull and Saginaw can get so windy that, um, no one can paddle in it.
[0:54:31 – 0:54:33] Andy: No one in the world could paddle, um,
[0:54:33 – 0:54:41] Andy: a, you know, a canoe that you’d paddle in the boundary waters, you know, um, on these lakes, you’re either going to immediately flip or just get blown backwards.
[0:54:42 – 0:54:52] Andy: Uh, so having realistic expectations about what, uh, the wind can do to your trip, uh, is a really, really good thing to try to try to have.
[0:54:55 – 0:54:56] Erik: Well, what do you know?
[0:54:56 – 0:54:59] Erik: Andy coming in with the sage advice.
[0:55:00 – 0:55:06] Erik: Getting that backside trails and seagull drop off.
[0:55:06 – 0:55:12] Erik: I never realized that bringing people up around to the other side of the round could be advantageous, but it makes sense.
[0:55:12 – 0:55:13] Erik: Sure does.
[0:55:14 – 0:55:31] Erik: I really like how he ended it, though, and basically saying, like, no matter who you are, at the end of the day, on some of those big lakes, Sag, Seagull, yeah, we were talking about Clearwater and, like, Duncan weren’t even scratching the surface of, like, monstrous lakes.
[0:55:31 – 0:55:31] Erik: Right.
[0:55:32 – 0:55:38] Erik: Unless you’re in one of those Hawaiian outrigged canoes, you’re not going to be able to paddle it.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:41] Erik: There’s going to be some days where it’s just literally impossible.
[0:55:41 – 0:55:45] Adam: Yeah, I’ve been paddling my heart out and going backwards before.
[0:55:45 – 0:55:49] Adam: And that wasn’t on SAG.
[0:55:50 – 0:55:52] Adam: When you get those days, just don’t even try it.
[0:55:53 – 0:56:01] Erik: Yeah, and that’s, yeah, like the expectations of it, but also just be humble in yourself and know that, yeah, Mother Nature is going to always win.
[0:56:01 – 0:56:04] Erik: She’s batting a thousand, I would say.
[0:56:04 – 0:56:09] Erik: I mean, we’re trying our best to like, you know, squash her under our boot heel right now, it seems, but…
[0:56:09 – 0:56:35] Erik: on the water when it’s just one-on-one man man versus nature uh just respect it and yeah don’t feel bad about calling it early maybe even delaying the trip a day or taking advantage of a motorboat if you have to because yeah it’s just there’s some days where you’re not going to be able to do it hello i could listen to andy tell stories all day that guy’s got the voice of an angel
[0:56:35 – 0:56:36] Erik: I can’t wait.
[0:56:36 – 0:56:39] Erik: There’s another story coming up here about some lost canoes.
[0:56:42 – 0:56:54] Andy: When you rent a canoe here at Tuscarora, you’ll hear me talking about taking care of it, loading and unloading while they float in the water, just being careful with Kevlar canoes.
[0:56:54 – 0:56:59] Andy: And you’ll also hear me say to bring the canoe up into camp and secure it.
[0:57:01 – 0:57:02] Andy: or when you’re not using it.
[0:57:02 – 0:57:08] Andy: I don’t mean like lash it down to, you know, the trees around it, but just, you know, don’t leave it right on the water’s edge.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:16] Andy: And there are several amusing stories as to why I always remember to say that to people.
[0:57:16 – 0:57:26] Andy: And, you know, one of them is really not a long, drawn-out story at all, but we did have some folks in the fall, a couple years back,
[0:57:27 – 0:57:28] Andy: Have their canoe blow away.
[0:57:29 – 0:57:34] Andy: And they were stranded for two days until they were rescued by another group.
[0:57:35 – 0:57:39] Andy: And, you know, that’s not something you want to have happen to you when you’re out there.
[0:57:41 – 0:57:43] Andy: we weren’t really involved in that very much.
[0:57:43 – 0:57:51] Andy: So I, it’s not much of a story, but the, um, the other, um, or the most recent, uh, canoe blowing away story we were really involved in.
[0:57:52 – 0:58:02] Andy: And that involved a, uh, uh, real nice folks, a father and a son who were camped out on, uh, Seagull Lake down at the West end on an Island down there somewhere.
[0:58:02 – 0:58:02] Andy: Um,
[0:58:03 – 0:58:07] Andy: And they had made camp, and it was really windy.
[0:58:08 – 0:58:11] Andy: It was one of those days where Seagull is not a fun lake to be on.
[0:58:12 – 0:58:13] Andy: And they had…
[0:58:15 – 0:58:17] Andy: set up camp and, you know, they were doing camp stuff.
[0:58:17 – 0:58:22] Andy: And then they decided to go fishing around the island from shore, which is, that’s what I would have done in a day like that.
[0:58:23 – 0:58:28] Andy: Um, so they just struck off, you know, walking through the woods, bushwhacking around the island, fishing from shore in areas where they could.
[0:58:29 – 0:58:31] Andy: And, uh, they kind of did a loop of the island.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:32] Andy: They started at the campsite.
[0:58:32 – 0:58:33] Andy: They went one direction.
[0:58:33 – 0:58:39] Andy: They’re fishing along the shoreline, went around the whole island, came back and their canoe was gone.
[0:58:40 – 0:58:41] Andy: Um, uh,
[0:58:42 – 0:58:44] Andy: So they were in a bit of a pickle.
[0:58:45 – 0:58:49] Andy: You know, they were on an island and they didn’t quite know what to do.
[0:58:49 – 0:58:50] Andy: Fortunately, they had all their stuff.
[0:58:50 – 0:58:52] Andy: It wasn’t like they had lost all their camping gear.
[0:58:52 – 0:58:53] Andy: They just lost their canoe.
[0:58:55 – 0:59:02] Andy: So if I remember this right, and they may be listening to this, they spent the night in that campsite.
[0:59:03 – 0:59:07] Andy: And then the next morning, because it’s seagull, they flagged down the first canoe that came by, which didn’t take very long.
[0:59:08 – 0:59:10] Andy: And some nice folks brought them back out to the landing.
[0:59:11 – 0:59:21] Andy: And I remember sitting in the office here and they came walking up the steps and they had driven in and I didn’t look at their car to see that their canoe wasn’t there.
[0:59:21 – 0:59:23] Andy: This is their canoe, it wasn’t our canoe.
[0:59:23 – 0:59:30] Andy: And he sat down in the chair right across from me and he says, so what do we do if we lose our canoe?
[0:59:31 – 0:59:31] Andy: And
[0:59:32 – 0:59:36] Andy: at first I had no idea what he was talking about.
[0:59:37 – 0:59:38] Andy: I had no clue.
[0:59:39 – 0:59:50] Andy: And so he explained the story to me and they had actually looked with the, with that, the folks that picked them up, they’d gone and looked the way the wind was blowing and they couldn’t find their canoe anywhere, which, which was kind of strange.
[0:59:50 – 0:59:59] Andy: And looking back on it was, it was extremely strange because, you know, a canoe is pretty easy to spot from a long ways away and the wind’s blowing, you know, one certain direction.
[0:59:59 – 0:59:59] Andy: So it,
[0:59:59 – 1:00:03] Andy: Certainly didn’t, you know, it ended up in a known area.
[1:00:03 – 1:00:08] Andy: It was, you know, they had a pretty good idea of what direction the canoe had floated off in, but they could not find it.
[1:00:08 – 1:00:09] Andy: So…
[1:00:11 – 1:00:17] Andy: the first thing I did was actually call the sheriff’s office to check in and see if anyone had reported a missing canoe.
[1:00:18 – 1:00:27] Andy: And, um, to make sure that if they did, they didn’t, you know, call this poor, you know, call his poor wife and say, Hey, we found this canoe abandoned in the wilderness and give her a heart attack.
[1:00:27 – 1:00:34] Andy: So I called in and dispatch actually had, had someone report a canoe that they’d found on seagull.
[1:00:35 – 1:00:39] Andy: And so we thought, well, cool, uh, we’ll get the location for this canoe.
[1:00:40 – 1:00:40] Andy: And,
[1:00:41 – 1:00:46] Andy: The location they gave us was, at the time, in Grand Marais.
[1:00:47 – 1:00:49] Andy: And so we’re like, what is going on?
[1:00:50 – 1:00:57] Andy: So we’re like, well, maybe they brought the canoe to Grand Marais for some reason to leave it at the law enforcement center.
[1:00:58 – 1:01:03] Andy: And it’s a long, drawn-out, convoluted story as to where this was.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:06] Andy: It was apparently by the golf course in Grand Marais.
[1:01:06 – 1:01:12] Andy: And we had come up with all these crackpot theories as to why they left it there on the side of the road in case someone was driving back.
[1:01:12 – 1:01:16] Andy: They would notice their canoe there, which in hindsight was just a bunch of BS.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:24] Andy: But thankfully, I had enough wherewithal to call my mom and she checked out this lead.
[1:01:24 – 1:01:25] Andy: And there was no canoe there, of course.
[1:01:26 – 1:01:30] Andy: So we determined that the canoe has got to be down the lake somewhere.
[1:01:31 – 1:01:40] Andy: So we had a couple of staff members on and they, three of the staff members and this fellow, jumped in one of our canoes.
[1:01:40 – 1:01:44] Andy: Actually, we got a towboat ride down from Seagull Outfitters to the end of Three Mile Island.
[1:01:45 – 1:01:50] Andy: And they struck off with a satellite phone and they scoured around.
[1:01:51 – 1:02:16] Andy: seagull lake and they could not find they went along every inch of shoreline on the southwestern end of seagull around every island and they could not find the canoe and it’s getting to be getting dark they’re calling me on the satellite phone going what the hell do we do they’ve been out there for hours and hours at this point chugging around the lake and a three person looking everywhere they cannot find this canoe so ada
[1:02:18 – 1:02:29] Andy: calls dispatch again and is like, can you just give us the contact information for these people that found this canoe apparently?
[1:02:29 – 1:02:35] Andy: And then, you know, just let the sheriff’s office know and didn’t really do anything else other than that.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:39] Andy: And I’m not quite sure what their thought process was.
[1:02:39 – 1:02:46] Andy: But anyway, Ada ended up getting in contact with them and they had found this canoe floating around on the lake.
[1:02:47 – 1:02:54] Andy: And they had brought it up into a campsite, turned it over and set it in the campsite where it was not visible from the shoreline.
[1:02:55 – 1:03:08] Andy: And I might not know the whole story, but if I can give anyone any advice out here, if you are on a lake and an empty canoe floats up to you, don’t do that.
[1:03:08 – 1:03:09] Andy: Don’t.
[1:03:10 – 1:03:13] Andy: They bring it into the campsite, turn it over, and then paddle away.
[1:03:14 – 1:03:19] Andy: You know, do the world a favor and please find out where that canoe came from.
[1:03:20 – 1:03:23] Andy: At least leave it somewhere where it’s visible from the lakeshore.
[1:03:24 – 1:03:38] Andy: So finally, after probably five, six hours of paddling in circles on Seagull Lake, our guys and this guy finally rescued his canoe and paddled it back and had quite the story to tell.
[1:03:43 – 1:03:46] Erik: That would have never been a bit of advice I thought was needed.
[1:03:47 – 1:03:56] Erik: But yeah, I guess if you find a ghost canoe, don’t just stash it up in the woods.
[1:03:56 – 1:04:03] Adam: I mean, well intended, but yeah, that’s one of my all-time nightmare scenarios.
[1:04:03 – 1:04:04] Erik: That’s a nightmare scenario.
[1:04:05 – 1:04:07] Adam: It’s just losing the canoe, not having somebody hide it on you.
[1:04:07 – 1:04:12] Erik: Yeah, we lost a tandem that one year when we were out.
[1:04:12 – 1:04:16] Erik: Fortunately, with somebody in a solo, Paige was able to rescue that for us.
[1:04:17 – 1:04:19] Erik: But I’ve never just had one canoe for…
[1:04:19 – 1:04:20] Adam: Happens more often than it should.
[1:04:21 – 1:04:24] Erik: Yeah, I’ve never had one disappear for days like that, though.
[1:04:25 – 1:04:26] Erik: That was a great story.
[1:04:26 – 1:04:28] Erik: I was on the edge of my seat.
[1:04:28 – 1:04:35] Erik: It was a potential false flag operation down at the golf course that you had some information on.
[1:04:35 – 1:04:39] Adam: You sent your canoe over at the Dairy Queen.
[1:04:40 – 1:04:43] Adam: It was getting a cone.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:44] Adam: It was at the drive-thru.
[1:04:44 – 1:04:44] Adam: Dilly bar.
[1:04:45 – 1:04:47] Adam: Getting a dilly bar.
[1:04:48 – 1:04:48] Adam: What?
[1:04:48 – 1:05:11] Erik: yeah makes no sense yeah no it’s there’s very like very few times that somebody will like ask me something sit down and and say something that just truly catches me like blindsided and that would be one where it’s like yeah what do you do if you just lose a canoe maybe that canoe isn’t lost maybe it just went to find itself
[1:05:12 – 1:05:13] Erik: Yeah, it’s on a little bit of a walkabout.
[1:05:14 – 1:05:14] Erik: It’s on a sojourn.
[1:05:15 – 1:05:15] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:16 – 1:05:19] Erik: But yeah, no, that would be one where it’s like, wait, all right, let’s start from scratch.
[1:05:20 – 1:05:21] Erik: What do you mean by that?
[1:05:22 – 1:05:22] Adam: The heck do you mean?
[1:05:22 – 1:05:23] Adam: What the heck do you mean?
[1:05:23 – 1:05:25] Adam: I lost my canoe.
[1:05:25 – 1:05:27] Adam: Yeah, I lost my canoe.
[1:05:27 – 1:05:28] Adam: Oh, man.
[1:05:28 – 1:05:31] Adam: Well, we have one more story, it looks like.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:32] Adam: We got a big one.
[1:05:32 – 1:05:33] Adam: Queued up, so.
[1:05:33 – 1:05:37] Erik: Which is the big windy, the big blowdown of 99.
[1:05:37 – 1:05:38] Erik: I’m very interested to hear.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:39] Adam: The wind.
[1:05:39 – 1:05:40] Erik: The wind.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:40] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:58] Andy: You know, and talking with people throughout the season here, every year, probably monthly, people ask, you know, what is the craziest thing you’ve ever seen in the Boundary Waters or, you know, living on the Gunfland Trail?
[1:05:58 – 1:06:02] Andy: What’s the craziest thing that, you know, it’s ever happened to you or, you know, things like that.
[1:06:03 – 1:06:06] Andy: And I’m always amused by that.
[1:06:06 – 1:06:10] Andy: But the answer for me is always the same.
[1:06:10 – 1:06:11] Andy: And it’s pretty simple.
[1:06:11 – 1:06:13] Andy: It is what happened on July 4th, 1999.
[1:06:15 – 1:06:18] Andy: Um, that is definitely the craziest thing that I’ve ever witnessed in my life.
[1:06:18 – 1:06:22] Andy: And might, that might, uh, might take that one to my grave.
[1:06:23 – 1:06:39] Andy: Um, I was 15 years old and, uh, on July 4th, 1999, and we were on Seagull Lake staying at a cabin on Blankenburg lane, which is, uh, the next left past the Seagull Lake access road, which is where the Blankenburg landing is.
[1:06:40 – 1:06:40] Andy: Um,
[1:06:41 – 1:06:46] Andy: And that it was, uh, I remember the day very, very well.
[1:06:47 – 1:06:52] Andy: Um, it was a very hot and humid day right from the get-go.
[1:06:53 – 1:06:57] Andy: Um, and we were painting a floor in this cabin.
[1:06:58 – 1:07:05] Andy: Um, this cabin has since burned down in the Ham Lake fire, but, uh, we were painting a floor and, um,
[1:07:07 – 1:07:09] Andy: It was hot and humid and pretty calm.
[1:07:09 – 1:07:12] Andy: Actually, if I remember right, it was pretty much dead calm.
[1:07:14 – 1:07:17] Andy: And kind of mid-morning, we decided to get out on the water.
[1:07:17 – 1:07:23] Andy: So we took a boat out and we went down the lake and, you know, did some fishing.
[1:07:23 – 1:07:26] Andy: I don’t think we caught anything because it was terrible weather to fish in.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:29] Andy: And we headed back for lunch.
[1:07:30 – 1:07:37] Andy: And by that point, and my timeline on this is fuzzy, but it was mid-late morning, something along those lines.
[1:07:38 – 1:07:40] Andy: You know, you can start to hear some rumbling in the distance.
[1:07:42 – 1:07:45] Andy: And, you know, this was before anyone looked at weather.
[1:07:46 – 1:07:50] Andy: You know, you got, maybe you watched the weather channel if you had satellite TV.
[1:07:52 – 1:07:54] Andy: But, you know, or you heard it on the radio.
[1:07:55 – 1:07:58] Andy: But it wasn’t like nowadays where you bring up your phone and check the weather 150 times a day.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:05] Andy: Um, so we had, uh, you know, we heard some rumbling in the distance.
[1:08:05 – 1:08:06] Andy: It felt like there was going to be a storm.
[1:08:08 – 1:08:17] Andy: And so we went back and there’s no, there was no dock, um, where we kept the boat on this property where this cabin was.
[1:08:18 – 1:08:21] Andy: And it was me and my dad and our friend Pat.
[1:08:22 – 1:08:27] Andy: And we pulled the boat up on shore, um,
[1:08:30 – 1:08:32] Andy: And thankfully we tied it off pretty well.
[1:08:32 – 1:08:39] Andy: Went up to the cabin and made some, remember this very clearly, instant Kraft macaroni and cheese.
[1:08:39 – 1:08:41] Andy: It was a new thing at that point.
[1:08:41 – 1:08:43] Andy: It was terrible, but I remember eating that.
[1:08:43 – 1:08:50] Andy: So we’re sitting there eating lunch and looking down the west,
[1:08:51 – 1:08:53] Andy: to the west, down Seagull Lake.
[1:08:53 – 1:08:59] Andy: If you’re familiar with Seagull, we’re looking down kind of towards Fishhook and Dominion Island where Wilderness Canoe Base is.
[1:08:59 – 1:09:02] Andy: That’s in the far, far distance.
[1:09:02 – 1:09:05] Andy: And you could start to see darkening skies in the distance.
[1:09:06 – 1:09:19] Andy: And as it came closer, the sky kind of, the dark area in the sky developed into a very distinctive green, very, very green sky.
[1:09:21 – 1:09:21] Andy: shelf cloud.
[1:09:23 – 1:09:32] Andy: So it was kind of a high cloudy ceiling and then this very distinctive green lower cloud coming that kind of covered the entire western horizon.
[1:09:33 – 1:09:39] Andy: And it looked pretty cool and we’re on a big screened in deck looking down Seagull Lake.
[1:09:40 – 1:09:46] Andy: And the shoreline is probably where we’re looking at
[1:09:47 – 1:09:51] Andy: We’re looking about a mile down Seago at the most.
[1:09:52 – 1:09:59] Andy: And all of a sudden, that shoreline vanished in a white wall would be the best way to describe it.
[1:10:00 – 1:10:07] Andy: And, you know, I’m relaying this kind of slowly, but these events occurred in, I guess, a matter of seconds, really.
[1:10:08 – 1:10:15] Andy: We’re looking at that, and, you know, it’s thundering, and all of a sudden, the far shoreline way down the lake disappears.
[1:10:19 – 1:10:23] Andy: There was some talk of, well, we should put the shutters up because it looks like a good storm is rolling in.
[1:10:24 – 1:10:41] Andy: And I remember looking across Seagull to the north and west at a shoreline that had a bunch of those like 60, 70-year-old jack pines, those tall, really uniform trees all together.
[1:10:42 – 1:10:43] Andy: And that white wall…
[1:10:43 – 1:10:50] Andy: hit those jack pine, and every single one of them snapped off 20-some feet up in the air.
[1:10:52 – 1:10:57] Andy: And I remember that we all saw that, and I was just a kid.
[1:10:57 – 1:11:05] Andy: I didn’t really understand what was about to happen, but I think the adults realized that this was going to be pretty serious.
[1:11:06 – 1:11:12] Andy: And so they jumped up to put these shutters up on the screen, and that white wall that hit us
[1:11:13 – 1:11:18] Andy: And it was like being in a washing machine.
[1:11:19 – 1:11:23] Andy: When it initially hit, trees just snapped and flew off everywhere.
[1:11:25 – 1:11:27] Andy: Not even in one uniform direction.
[1:11:27 – 1:11:29] Andy: It was just chaos immediately.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:36] Andy: And we rushed to put up these heavy shutters on the screen and porch to try to protect some of this.
[1:11:36 – 1:11:37] Andy: And the rain was just…
[1:11:38 – 1:11:44] Andy: pouring into the screen porch, um, to the point where it was like starting to puddle inside.
[1:11:44 – 1:11:50] Andy: And we got these big heavy shutters up and we got off the porch into the cabin, shut the door.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:57] Andy: And, uh, we looking out the windows, it was just unbelievable.
[1:11:58 – 1:12:01] Andy: Um, the wind would
[1:12:01 – 1:12:19] Andy: build and build and build and then gust and then we would see a hundred trees snap off and fly onto the ground trees started to hit the side of the cabin and lean up against it um i remember looking out at a uh
[1:12:20 – 1:12:30] Andy: it changed the viewscape so much and you couldn’t see much outside the cabin, but I could see a birch tree that was probably about four inches in diameter growing on this mossy rock.
[1:12:31 – 1:12:43] Andy: And Augusta wind ripped the entire birch tree, including the root wad and all the soil on the rock and flipped it upside down in the air and spun it, you know, flying off kind of out of our view.
[1:12:44 – 1:12:44] Andy: Um,
[1:12:45 – 1:12:47] Andy: And we didn’t really know what to think.
[1:12:48 – 1:12:58] Andy: It was one of those moments in your life where you see, you know, your parents or authority figures or something like that scared and not knowing what to do.
[1:12:59 – 1:13:09] Andy: And that’s definitely something I remember is the fear in my dad and Pat’s, you know, their eyes.
[1:13:10 – 1:13:14] Andy: Them yelling at me to get away from the window and, you know, kind of get down.
[1:13:14 – 1:13:16] Andy: Because the building was…
[1:13:16 – 1:13:19] Andy: It may have been shifting around a little bit on its foundation.
[1:13:19 – 1:13:20] Andy: It was really, really high.
[1:13:21 – 1:13:23] Andy: We were just getting hammered.
[1:13:23 – 1:13:25] Andy: And we rode it out.
[1:13:26 – 1:13:28] Andy: That wind would gust and gust and gust.
[1:13:28 – 1:13:33] Andy: And then, boom, you’d get hit with a gust that would just level huge sections of forest around you.
[1:13:35 – 1:13:36] Andy: You couldn’t hear anything.
[1:13:36 – 1:13:37] Andy: You couldn’t even talk to each other.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:39] Andy: It seemed like it was so loud.
[1:13:40 – 1:13:40] Andy: And…
[1:13:42 – 1:13:47] Andy: We didn’t have a lot of view because it was just a white sheet of rain outside.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:51] Andy: You could see maybe 100 feet around you from the cabin.
[1:13:51 – 1:13:54] Andy: And then the trees that fell over were blocking the view too.
[1:13:56 – 1:14:01] Andy: And it just pounded us and pounded us and pounded us.
[1:14:01 – 1:14:02] Andy: The power was out immediately.
[1:14:04 – 1:14:07] Andy: And then it just kind of let up and vanished.
[1:14:09 – 1:14:09] Andy: And
[1:14:12 – 1:14:20] Andy: We just looked at each other and, you know, I remember being scared to go outside because maybe another round would come.
[1:14:20 – 1:14:31] Andy: And I think we were all feeling like that because one of my most distinct memories I have is of opening that door and going down the steps and it being an entirely different world.
[1:14:31 – 1:14:33] Andy: I’ll never forget the smell.
[1:14:33 – 1:14:34] Andy: It smelled like a lumber mill.
[1:14:35 – 1:14:42] Andy: with broken trees and stacks of smashed, mature jack pine everywhere.
[1:14:45 – 1:14:48] Andy: Our car was completely covered in trees.
[1:14:48 – 1:14:52] Andy: Fortunately, there wasn’t a ton of damage because one big tree had uprooted and blocked a bunch of other trees.
[1:14:53 – 1:14:54] Andy: But it was covered in trees.
[1:14:54 – 1:14:55] Andy: You couldn’t even see it.
[1:14:55 – 1:14:57] Andy: The property was just leveled.
[1:14:59 – 1:15:05] Andy: And, you know, we walked from that cabin, and you walk down a short path to where the parking area is, and you didn’t even know where you were.
[1:15:05 – 1:15:12] Andy: Because, you know, the entire landscape had changed within, you know, 20 minutes.
[1:15:13 – 1:15:22] Andy: And we walked out, and you’re just kind of like, what do you do next?
[1:15:22 – 1:15:24] Andy: And they’re like, well, might as well get a chainsaw.
[1:15:24 – 1:15:29] Andy: They had a couple chainsaws and start to, you know, try to clear the road or something like that.
[1:15:30 – 1:15:34] Andy: Um, and this is about a quarter mile drive to the Gunflint Trail.
[1:15:34 – 1:15:35] Andy: It’s pretty close to the Gunflint Trail.
[1:15:36 – 1:15:38] Andy: And that’s what we did.
[1:15:38 – 1:15:52] Andy: I was hauling brush out of the road and, you know, they were cutting up trees and there were a lot of trees down on the road in, but it wasn’t as many as there were down around, right around the cabin and on our parking lot and the vehicles and stuff like that.
[1:15:53 – 1:15:56] Andy: But what I remember, another real distinct memory I have is,
[1:15:57 – 1:16:12] Andy: is of how quiet it was and we cut our way out to the road and you expected to like see cars or something like that and there was nothing all it was just dead silence except for way in the distance we heard chainsaws and
[1:16:13 – 1:16:16] Andy: At this point, we were still thinking that this was a super isolated event.
[1:16:16 – 1:16:27] Andy: We had no idea that this was what it was, you know, the most devastating storm in the history of northern Minnesota by many orders of magnitude and the area it impacted.
[1:16:28 – 1:16:36] Andy: But we went up the road and we were going to check on some friends down, you know, down the Segal Lake Road, which shoots down the south side of Segal.
[1:16:36 – 1:16:39] Andy: And we thought, oh, we’ll just, you know, start to cut our way in there.
[1:16:39 – 1:16:40] Andy: It’s going to take a while.
[1:16:40 – 1:16:41] Andy: We’ll just cut, you know.
[1:16:42 – 1:16:43] Andy: We drove in there.
[1:16:44 – 1:16:47] Andy: We cut a tree out of the way, another tree, another tree.
[1:16:47 – 1:16:55] Andy: And we came around a corner and there was a pile of mature aspen trees that were probably 30 feet tall stacked on top of each other.
[1:16:56 – 1:17:04] Andy: We realized that there was no way, no way at all we were going to be moving this with a chainsaw, at least the three of us.
[1:17:05 – 1:17:05] Andy: And
[1:17:07 – 1:17:08] Andy: It kind of got real at that point.
[1:17:08 – 1:17:18] Andy: We started to realize that, you know, this may not be just a normal little, you know, nasty storm that knocked a bunch of trees out.
[1:17:18 – 1:17:19] Andy: I mean, we already knew that.
[1:17:19 – 1:17:25] Andy: But, you know, when we came to that pile of trees and the road just disappeared underneath it, we didn’t know.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:26] Andy: what to think.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:33] Andy: And so my dad took off on foot, picking his way through the trees to try to see if everyone was safe on the opposite side.
[1:17:33 – 1:17:36] Andy: And he was able to make it down the road a ways and touch base with everyone.
[1:17:36 – 1:17:39] Andy: And people were starting to cut from the other side out.
[1:17:40 – 1:17:44] Andy: And, um, you know, the rest is kind of history.
[1:17:44 – 1:17:47] Andy: Later on that day, I remember it wasn’t even that much later.
[1:17:47 – 1:17:50] Andy: We started to hear reports that you started to get aircraft flying over us
[1:17:51 – 1:17:55] Andy: And what it turned out is that there were some pretty severely injured people on Seagull Lake.
[1:17:55 – 1:18:12] Andy: I think there were, and don’t quote me on this, but I think there were two people that had a pretty severe, maybe broken leg and then a broken spine that were coming off Seagull Lake.
[1:18:13 – 1:18:22] Andy: And I think it ended up being something like 25 people on the Gunflint Trail were hospitalized, at least some worse than others, because of that storm.
[1:18:23 – 1:18:33] Andy: And I remember sitting over at Sea Island Lodge, which my aunt and uncle own, and that was closed in 2001 or 2002, but at that point they had a restaurant there.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:36] Andy: We were eating the ice cream that was melting because the power was out.
[1:18:37 – 1:18:42] Andy: And at that point, it was very, very clear that the power was not going to come back on anytime soon.
[1:18:42 – 1:18:45] Andy: And I think it went about a month before they had power.
[1:18:45 – 1:18:47] Andy: A month or three weeks from a month.
[1:18:48 – 1:18:56] Andy: But it really wasn’t until the drive back down the trail that it really hit us.
[1:18:57 – 1:19:01] Andy: You know, seeing huge swaths of trees leveled.
[1:19:02 – 1:19:11] Andy: and realizing that this damage was from the end of the trail all the way down to about Swamper, it was just catastrophic damage.
[1:19:12 – 1:19:19] Andy: And yeah, that is the craziest thing that I have ever seen in my life.
[1:19:20 – 1:19:24] Andy: If you want to experience it for yourself, if you go on YouTube,
[1:19:25 – 1:19:43] Andy: and Google July 4th blowdown, there is a short clip with no sound of, I think it’s reported as a cabin on the Canadian side of Saginaw and that white wall of wind and just chaos outside the cabin is, it’s exactly, it just, it brings me back to that day like nothing else.
[1:19:43 – 1:19:48] Andy: It’s, I watch it all the time just to, just to kind of remember that, that craziness.
[1:19:48 – 1:19:49] Erik: But, um, yeah.
[1:19:49 – 1:19:53] Andy: And that, and the, you know, the implications that the blowdown had to our lives up here, the,
[1:19:54 – 1:20:15] Andy: know the blowdowns led to the sprinkler systems that saved so many buildings and ham lake fire um it caused the cavity lake fire to be so incredibly you know destructive in the boundary waters and burn so hot and really you know change so many things about our forest up here it is uh you know it definitely is the craziest thing that i’ve ever witnessed
[1:20:18 – 1:20:23] Erik: Well, it’s hard to even come back from that to say anything that would add anything.
[1:20:23 – 1:20:30] Erik: So essentially, we’re going to just say thank you, Andy, for sharing that incredible experience.
[1:20:30 – 1:20:32] Adam: That firsthand account was something else.
[1:20:34 – 1:20:42] Adam: And yeah, I mean, just really puts you in that moment, which he then described as like a very pivotal moment.
[1:20:42 – 1:20:45] Adam: And that storm then led to the fires and
[1:20:45 – 1:20:52] Adam: we went and watched that video you described and, uh, to have lived through that, uh, to see it firsthand must’ve been something else.
[1:20:52 – 1:20:54] Adam: I think you conveyed that very well.
[1:20:55 – 1:20:55] Erik: Yeah, for sure.
[1:20:56 – 1:20:58] Erik: And, uh, yeah, if you get the chance, check it out.
[1:20:58 – 1:21:03] Erik: It’s like 35 seconds of, uh, just madness from inside a cabin.
[1:21:03 – 1:21:12] Erik: And I imagine it’s probably one of the only publicly accessible videos of, of that storm, which, uh,
[1:21:13 – 1:21:14] Erik: Yeah, very well put.
[1:21:15 – 1:21:19] Erik: I was, again, on the edge of my seat that whole time.
[1:21:20 – 1:21:27] Erik: And yeah, it was a pivotal moment for the forest and probably a pivotal moment for anybody who experienced it personally.
[1:21:28 – 1:21:30] Erik: And that’s where we’re going to end it.
[1:21:30 – 1:21:32] Erik: It seems like a heck of a place to end it.
[1:21:32 – 1:21:34] Erik: Yikes.
[1:21:35 – 1:21:43] Erik: We’re going to come back next week with more personal tales from listeners of good and bad.
[1:21:43 – 1:21:44] Erik: Probably mostly bad.
[1:21:44 – 1:21:47] Erik: Bad stuff is the stuff you remember.
[1:21:50 – 1:21:51] Erik: Concerning wind.
[1:21:51 – 1:21:54] Erik: Maybe there’ll be some more blowdown stories.
[1:21:56 – 1:22:18] Erik: tales to tell but we shall see for tumble home i have been eric joined in k2 by my good friend adam thanks for having me thank you for being here my pleasure
[1:22:20 – 1:22:21] Adam: We’re going to go ahead and get on out.
[1:22:21 – 1:22:24] Adam: Remember, folks, every day is precious and life is a miracle.
[1:22:25 – 1:22:31] Adam: For Tumble Home, from K2, we’re out until next week for part two.
[1:22:32 – 1:22:33] Adam: Happy Pat.
[1:22:33 – 1:22:37] SPEAKER_00: Until you can’t tell what you came here for.
[1:22:38 – 1:22:40] SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, that old North wind.
[1:22:40 – 1:22:41] SPEAKER_00: Yes, indeed.
[1:22:41 – 1:22:45] SPEAKER_00: He’s going to breathe and breathe.
[1:22:45 – 1:22:46] SPEAKER_00: He’s going to breathe.
[1:22:50 – 1:22:53] SPEAKER_00: Until you can’t feel no more.