Episode Transcript
[0:00:23 – 0:00:25] Adam: Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:25 – 0:00:33] Adam: I’m going to come to you live from Studio K. I’m here with my mate.
[0:00:35 – 0:00:36] Adam: How’s she going by, Eric?
[0:00:36 – 0:00:37] Adam: She’s going by.
[0:00:37 – 0:00:38] Adam: Your hair looks amazing.
[0:00:41 – 0:01:07] Erik: oh thank you leaning into those bandana things this summer i love it yeah yeah it’s uh like you said right before we uh recorded it is a miracle we’re in the same room together and it feels good to be in front of the mics we came in uh and the the box from the keg that we opened up a month ago was like still on the floor of the studio i was just like jeez the glitter that keeps on glittering it’s been a month glittering yeah it is it’s been a month
[0:01:07 – 0:01:14] Adam: since we last joined ourselves here in Studio K. And I really enjoyed 115.
[0:01:14 – 0:01:19] Adam: I just listened to it while I was finishing staining the rest of the banisters.
[0:01:20 – 0:01:20] Adam: Those are fun.
[0:01:21 – 0:01:25] Adam: I’ve gotten every single banister in the entire property done now.
[0:01:25 – 0:01:29] Erik: Yeah, I think you probably do hold the record for most spindles on a deck in Cook County.
[0:01:30 – 0:01:32] Adam: Yeah, it’s densely spindled.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:34] Erik: Yeah, it is an unholy amount of spindles.
[0:01:35 – 0:01:37] Adam: Anyways, I really enjoyed the show.
[0:01:37 – 0:01:38] Adam: Well, thanks.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:42] Adam: It was nice to listen to a tumble home without me yelling about stuff.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:46] Adam: I liked the tone of the whole thing and nicely done.
[0:01:46 – 0:01:47] Adam: Sorry I couldn’t be there.
[0:01:49 – 0:01:51] Adam: I wouldn’t have been able to add anything to that episode, though.
[0:01:51 – 0:01:54] Adam: I mean, that was the kind of episode that needed to be solo.
[0:01:55 – 0:02:15] Erik: yeah yeah no and uh make a mini preview for your davis lake trip coming up oh sure yeah uh yeah it was kind of one of those things where there were parts of it where i i wish i was talking to somebody else about it just to be like can you believe it the towboat rack blew out of the canoe i couldn’t believe a million years would i have ever thought of that happening
[0:02:15 – 0:02:24] Adam: I remember, like, weren’t you in, like, Conservation Journal about, you, like, guided, or you took some guys up to, they were going to Gojibic or something, and they, like… Oh, yeah.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:31] Adam: Then they, like, comment about how they were marveling over that the canoe rack is just kind of loosely set in the john boat.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:31] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:32] Erik: Yeah, no, it was in…
[0:02:32 – 0:02:33] Erik: There was two different…
[0:02:33 – 0:02:41] Erik: This was back in the day when Gogebic was being blown up by all kinds of publications.
[0:02:42 – 0:02:44] Erik: Gogebic is so hot right now.
[0:02:44 – 0:02:48] Erik: Which may explain why it had a little bit of a dip in trout fishing experiences.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:49] Adam: I think it does explain that.
[0:02:50 – 0:02:55] Erik: But anyway, yeah, there was the Minnesota Conservation Volunteer article, and then there was another…
[0:02:55 – 0:02:59] Erik: I think it was just a straight-up Pioneer Press or…
[0:03:01 – 0:03:27] Erik: regular newspaper and that was the the article that i was shuttling slash towing with our our john boat with the canoe rack in it some guys out to west pike portage and i was just you know it was a bumpier day and he kind of noticed that the rack was like rattling and he was like what’s holding this thing down and i just go my leg and because i kind of like sit over part of it but that’s uh
[0:03:27 – 0:03:41] Erik: Yeah, apparently not the case, because when it wants to blow out, it kind of will just blow it out of the boat along with the leg of the person attached, which, yeah, Michael ended up a little battered from that experience, it sounded like.
[0:03:41 – 0:03:43] Adam: That’s wild.
[0:03:44 – 0:03:46] Adam: Did he go in the lake with the rack?
[0:03:46 – 0:03:50] Erik: He did not, but he was… You didn’t have his leg over it then, or what?
[0:03:50 – 0:03:53] Erik: Well, it kind of flipped him into the back compartment next to where the gas is.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:57] Adam: Yeah, he got hurled into the gas dungeon.
[0:03:57 – 0:04:11] Erik: He kind of got mangled into the back, and then it seemed like for a second the canoe was going to get fully sunk with it, but there was enough of it still kind of hanging in the boat that he was able to hang on and…
[0:04:12 – 0:04:29] Erik: kind of slowly put back to the the beach at clearwater um yeah i only saw the immediate like just the aftermath when they were at the beach i couldn’t imagine what that scene must have looked like in person everybody seemed a little jangled say that
[0:04:30 – 0:04:32] Adam: Yeah, I can’t imagine that thing coming out of there.
[0:04:33 – 0:04:35] Adam: It’s a heavy canoe wreck just on its own.
[0:04:36 – 0:04:36] Adam: I know.
[0:04:36 – 0:04:39] Adam: I’ve helped move it and take it out of that boat.
[0:04:39 – 0:04:39] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:39 – 0:04:41] Adam: It’s a solid piece of rackery.
[0:04:42 – 0:04:43] Adam: Rackery.
[0:04:43 – 0:04:49] Adam: This episode of Tumble Home is sponsored, of course, by our friends and supporters on Patreon.
[0:04:50 – 0:04:50] Adam: Our Patreons.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:51] Erik: Our Patreons.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:55] Adam: Without their support, we would not be here rambling about…
[0:04:56 – 0:05:18] Adam: the kudu country and all the different adventures that come with it thank you very much for your support uh pretty unbelievable uh still every time eric tells me what’s going on at the tumble home uh patreon i and how many downloads we’re getting a week i don’t look at any of that back end dashboard stuff i just uh i don’t want to look at the books at all i just trying to keep you modest
[0:05:19 – 0:05:21] Adam: Yeah, it will go to my head.
[0:05:23 – 0:05:25] Adam: So just truly mind-blowing.
[0:05:26 – 0:05:29] Adam: Thank you to everybody that listens every week.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:31] Adam: And thank you to our friends on Patreon.
[0:05:31 – 0:05:36] Erik: Yeah, I hope you’re enjoying that commentary on this week’s Tumble Home Cinema Classics.
[0:05:36 – 0:05:41] Erik: We checked out the Edge late 90s classic with… 97?
[0:05:42 – 0:05:46] Erik: Yeah, Tony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:48] Erik: They never called him Tony, did they?
[0:05:48 – 0:05:50] Adam: They never once called him Tony.
[0:05:50 – 0:05:52] Erik: He was always Sir Anthony Hopkins.
[0:05:52 – 0:05:53] Erik: Sir Anthony.
[0:05:53 – 0:05:54] Erik: He was prestigious.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:57] Adam: Boy, he sure is regal.
[0:05:58 – 0:06:00] Erik: He’s a real conundrum in that movie.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:07] Erik: Don’t know which way he’s coming from, where he’s going, or what he was trying to convey as an actor in that movie.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:11] Erik: But we talk all about it on this week’s TCC.
[0:06:11 – 0:06:12] Erik: The Edge.
[0:06:12 – 0:06:13] Adam: The Edge.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:16] Adam: I’m still not sure why they called it The Edge.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:17] Erik: We’ll get into all that, too.
[0:06:17 – 0:06:19] Erik: I had a lot of questions.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:21] Erik: Yep.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:24] Erik: Man, the beers are stacking up in the beer fridge.
[0:06:24 – 0:06:25] Adam: I’ll tell you that.
[0:06:25 – 0:06:25] Adam: Yeah.
[0:06:26 – 0:06:37] Adam: You know what makes it better after spending four hours hand-rag-standing banisters is that Eric just shows up at Studio K with a pile of beers.
[0:06:37 – 0:06:39] Adam: He said, here, I’ve got a bunch of beers for you.
[0:06:40 – 0:06:40] Erik: Yep.
[0:06:40 – 0:06:41] Erik: That sounds great, Eric.
[0:06:41 – 0:06:43] Erik: Got to get them out of my fridge and into yours.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:48] Erik: But the ones that we are specifically sponsored by this week, I think that’s probably been…
[0:06:50 – 0:06:54] Erik: A few months now since these have been dropped off.
[0:06:54 – 0:06:55] Erik: These are from Matt.
[0:06:57 – 0:06:58] Erik: This is a Nex.
[0:06:58 – 0:07:07] Erik: An experimental northeastern IPA by Daredevil Brewing.
[0:07:09 – 0:07:11] Erik: And it’s their latest.
[0:07:12 – 0:07:16] Erik: Who knows if it’s even that new anymore because it’s been a while since these were dropped off.
[0:07:16 – 0:07:18] Adam: Actually, fact check on the fly.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:21] Adam: NEXT stands for new and experimental.
[0:07:22 – 0:07:22] Erik: Oh, well.
[0:07:23 – 0:07:24] Adam: So I think it is.
[0:07:24 – 0:07:26] Erik: It must be new and experimental.
[0:07:26 – 0:07:27] Erik: It’s aggressively fun.
[0:07:28 – 0:07:29] Erik: I’m trying to see.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:32] Erik: Ah, from Speedway, Indiana.
[0:07:33 – 0:07:34] Erik: That’s a fun.
[0:07:34 – 0:07:38] Erik: That makes that town sound probably way more fun than it actually is.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:40] Erik: Sorry, Speedway.
[0:07:41 – 0:07:45] Erik: Well, let’s see how your northeast India pale ale.
[0:07:46 – 0:07:48] Erik: Experiment number nine.
[0:07:53 – 0:07:54] Erik: Fun can artwork.
[0:07:59 – 0:08:00] Erik: Hmm.
[0:08:01 – 0:08:02] Erik: Ah.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:08] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know what to make of that.
[0:08:08 – 0:08:13] Erik: It’s like, uh, it’s almost, it’s kind of hazy.
[0:08:15 – 0:08:24] Erik: It’s kind of malty, though, still, too, for IPA.
[0:08:24 – 0:08:25] Erik: It’s good.
[0:08:26 – 0:08:34] Adam: Yeah, I guess I was expecting him to punch me in the jaw, but it’s a gentle kind of punch.
[0:08:35 – 0:08:36] Erik: Yeah, it’s a…
[0:08:36 – 0:08:37] Erik: Does that make sense?
[0:08:37 – 0:08:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:38 – 0:08:39] Erik: It’s aggressively fun.
[0:08:39 – 0:08:40] Erik: It is aggressively fun.
[0:08:40 – 0:08:42] Erik: That’s, yeah, a gentle punch.
[0:08:42 – 0:08:43] Erik: That’s aggressively fun.
[0:08:45 – 0:08:46] Erik: Well, thanks, Matt.
[0:08:46 – 0:08:49] Erik: These are… Never had a daredevil, have we?
[0:08:49 – 0:08:49] Erik: Nope.
[0:08:50 – 0:08:51] Adam: Not that I can remember.
[0:08:52 – 0:08:54] Adam: But Hopalicious, he’ll get right on it.
[0:08:54 – 0:08:55] Adam: I’m sure he will.
[0:08:55 – 0:08:59] Erik: On the pinned beer sponsorship thread on TumblehomeCast subreddit.
[0:08:59 – 0:09:03] Adam: What a saint for starting this beer sponsorship thread.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:05] Erik: Yeah, true saint.
[0:09:05 – 0:09:10] Erik: Though I should say he may need to go on and correct.
[0:09:10 – 0:09:16] Erik: It was in fact Jim Beam we were drinking on episode 114, not Maker’s Mark.
[0:09:17 – 0:09:18] Erik: Maybe need to do a little edit on there.
[0:09:18 – 0:09:20] Adam: Fact checked on the fly.
[0:09:20 – 0:09:21] Erik: A reverse fact check.
[0:09:21 – 0:09:22] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know what D.B.
[0:09:22 – 0:09:26] Adam: Cooper ordered, but it was what we had in the studio was Beam.
[0:09:28 – 0:09:30] Adam: That was the only bourbon they had at the store.
[0:09:30 – 0:09:31] Adam: At the Gittin’ Place.
[0:09:33 – 0:09:34] Adam: Yeah, what is this?
[0:09:34 – 0:09:36] Adam: There’s little UFOs on this can.
[0:09:36 – 0:09:38] Adam: There’s little parachutists.
[0:09:39 – 0:09:40] Adam: And little fighter bombers.
[0:09:41 – 0:09:42] Adam: Looks like an old Atari game.
[0:09:43 – 0:09:44] Adam: Which I can appreciate.
[0:09:44 – 0:09:45] Adam: The old 2600.
[0:09:45 – 0:09:48] Erik: Well, we’ve got to have chiptune at the end of this episode.
[0:09:48 – 0:09:50] Adam: We’ve got to get back to the chiptune.
[0:09:50 – 0:09:51] Erik: Yeah, we’ve been…
[0:09:52 – 0:09:55] Erik: The music in the last few weeks has been odd and weird.
[0:09:56 – 0:09:59] Adam: You can just prompt me to sing something and cut the audio.
[0:09:59 – 0:10:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:10:00 – 0:10:00] Adam: Cut the mic.
[0:10:01 – 0:10:01] Adam: Let’s cut that mic.
[0:10:03 – 0:10:07] Erik: Well, boy, oh, boy, I don’t know what Ron Scherer has to say about the… We flipped it over.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:08] Adam: We’re into September now, Aaron.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:16] Erik: The day as it is, but I can tell you up here in the Northwoods, the… Ooh, very nice artwork on September.
[0:10:17 – 0:10:19] Adam: The understory is coming alive with colors.
[0:10:20 – 0:10:20] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:10:20 – 0:10:28] Adam: The maples out in the back six on the course here are starting to turn for sure, just in time for the annual tournament.
[0:10:28 – 0:10:32] Adam: Should be a glorious afternoon out on the dog yard.
[0:10:32 – 0:10:33] Adam: It’s a beaut.
[0:10:33 – 0:10:35] Adam: Yeah, the course is really coming together this year, Eric.
[0:10:36 – 0:10:39] Adam: Yeah, our new artwork for September is Blue Wings by David.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:41] Adam: Dave Moss, not David.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:43] Adam: He’s just Dave.
[0:10:43 – 0:10:44] Adam: Just Dave.
[0:10:45 – 0:10:46] Adam: Blue Wings.
[0:10:46 – 0:10:49] Adam: Some beautiful fowl in the air.
[0:10:50 – 0:10:52] Adam: Today is September 15th.
[0:10:52 – 0:10:53] Adam: It’s a Tuesday, is this right?
[0:10:54 – 0:10:54] Adam: That is right.
[0:10:54 – 0:10:55] Adam: Sunset is at 723.
[0:10:58 – 0:10:58] Erik: Yikes.
[0:10:59 – 0:11:01] Adam: I like that.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:04] Adam: Sunrise was at 652 here.
[0:11:05 – 0:11:07] Adam: Fact of the day is Orioles migrate to South America.
[0:11:07 – 0:11:08] Erik: Oh.
[0:11:09 – 0:11:10] Adam: I don’t know if we have Orioles in our parks.
[0:11:10 – 0:11:11] Erik: I haven’t seen one.
[0:11:11 – 0:11:19] Erik: I remember one time thinking that I saw an Oriole, and I asked my ornithologist buddy, and he said, there’s no way you saw an Oriole.
[0:11:19 – 0:11:21] Erik: There’s never been a recorded Oriole in Cook County.
[0:11:21 – 0:11:21] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:22 – 0:11:28] Adam: Well, we could just use the 16th one actually goes with the artwork for the month, and it’s a bird we might see more often.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:33] Adam: It’s the blue-winged teal are migrating to South America or whoever.
[0:11:33 – 0:11:33] Adam: They don’t say.
[0:11:33 – 0:11:35] Adam: It just says they’re migrating.
[0:11:35 – 0:11:37] Adam: The Orioles, we know where they’re going.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:39] Adam: Those teal, you never know.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:41] Adam: You never know where they’re going to end up.
[0:11:42 – 0:11:44] Adam: New Moon is on Thursday, Eric.
[0:11:44 – 0:11:45] Adam: Nice.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:49] Adam: You ready to keep looking up at the dark skies?
[0:11:49 – 0:11:53] Adam: I was going to say, that’s a good transition we could take into our first news story.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:53] Adam: Hey, man.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:54] Adam: I’m feeling it today.
[0:11:54 – 0:11:55] Adam: What can I say?
[0:11:55 – 0:11:56] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:11:56 – 0:11:56] Erik: It’s almost like…
[0:11:59 – 0:12:00] Erik: We’ve been doing this for a little bit.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:01] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:02] Erik: Yeah, right.
[0:12:02 – 0:12:03] Erik: We got it figured out now.
[0:12:03 – 0:12:07] Erik: Episode 116, and we finally figured out segues.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:12] Erik: We have two emails on bad portages.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:14] Erik: We’re going to read those.
[0:12:14 – 0:12:16] Erik: We’ve got some news stories to get to.
[0:12:18 – 0:12:27] Erik: It’s going to probably just be a mixed bag episode because this is the first time in two weeks that I have been unchained from the Clearwater property.
[0:12:28 – 0:12:32] Erik: And I just kind of want to talk with my good friend here.
[0:12:32 – 0:12:34] Erik: And that’s what’s going to happen.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:39] Erik: So if you want to skip to next week’s episode, you’ll just have to wait a week and we’ll be talking about wind and stuff.
[0:12:40 – 0:12:44] Erik: But for now, we’re going to cover some of the things that have happened here.
[0:12:44 – 0:12:47] Erik: associated with the Bon Jovi’s in the last couple of weeks.
[0:12:47 – 0:12:49] Erik: And you talk about that new moon.
[0:12:51 – 0:13:17] Adam: one of those stories the the stars lately have been amazing out here yes had a couple real crispy nights but yeah i always look forward to new moon up here and especially in the fall there’s just something about stepping out on the beautifully stained deck yeah crisp night air yeah uh you know i have to admit we had a fire in the wood stove the other day first of the year i made natalie go up on the roof and clean the chimney and then we had a fire
[0:13:17 – 0:13:18] Adam: Thanks, Natalie.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:19] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:19 – 0:13:24] Erik: No, we have still abstained from the wood stove at our house.
[0:13:24 – 0:13:24] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:13:24 – 0:13:30] Adam: The general rule is you don’t do it before October if you can help it.
[0:13:30 – 0:13:32] Erik: Well, there’s been some crispy mornings.
[0:13:32 – 0:13:37] Erik: We’ve had our hard frost by, I would say, about two weeks earlier than average.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:39] Erik: Solid.
[0:13:39 – 0:13:40] Erik: Solid frost.
[0:13:41 – 0:13:43] Erik: Anyway, new moon, dark skies.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:45] Erik: Just recently…
[0:13:46 – 0:14:01] Erik: And we’ll talk about what exactly this means and, like, if it’s important or if it’s kind of one of those Grand Marais voted coolest small town by AARP’s Funtime magazine or whatever, where it’s like, okay, well, what does that mean?
[0:14:02 – 0:14:02] Erik: Does it mean anything?
[0:14:03 – 0:14:08] Erik: But the Bajie Waters has been designated a dark sky sanctuary.
[0:14:09 – 0:14:09] Erik: By who, though?
[0:14:09 – 0:14:18] Erik: The International Dark Sky Association, which is a nonprofit that works around the world to reduce light pollution and protect night skies.
[0:14:19 – 0:14:21] Erik: They have a whole range of different designations.
[0:14:21 – 0:14:22] Erik: Yes.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:30] Erik: And the sanctuary is its highest and most fragile of designations.
[0:14:31 – 0:14:35] Erik: And there’s 13 of them that they have designated around the world.
[0:14:35 – 0:14:35] Erik: Oh, really?
[0:14:36 – 0:14:40] Erik: A sanctuary, this is directly from the Dark Sky website.
[0:14:40 – 0:14:41] Adam: There’s 13 in the whole world.
[0:14:41 – 0:14:42] Erik: Yes.
[0:14:42 – 0:14:43] Adam: How many are in North America?
[0:14:44 – 0:14:47] Adam: I’ve heard there’s two spots in North America like this.
[0:14:47 – 0:14:48] Erik: Yeah, we’ll go down, we’ll look at that.
[0:14:49 – 0:14:54] Erik: We’ll just see the International Dark Sky Association, the IDA.
[0:14:55 – 0:15:05] Erik: They classify a sanctuary as different from a dark sky park or reserve in that it is typically situated in a very remote location and
[0:15:05 – 0:15:14] Erik: with few nearby threats to the quality of its dark skies, and it does not otherwise meet the requirements for designation as a park or reserve.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:30] Erik: The typical geographical isolation of dark sky sanctuaries significantly limits opportunities for public outreach, so a sanctuary designation is specifically designed to increase awareness of these fragile sites and promote their long-term conservation.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:35] Erik: So there’s a whole bunch of other designations that they have.
[0:15:35 – 0:15:41] Erik: Like you can become a dark sky town, like a city if you go through and like change all your lights.
[0:15:41 – 0:15:43] Adam: Dim your lights and face them downwards.
[0:15:44 – 0:15:44] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:45 – 0:15:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:46 – 0:15:51] Adam: So I remember hearing about this at several planning commission meetings back in the day.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:52] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:15:52 – 0:15:52] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:54 – 0:15:56] Adam: We can talk about lights and soffits all day, Eric.
[0:15:57 – 0:15:57] Adam: Sure.
[0:15:57 – 0:16:03] Erik: Yeah, we can have maybe a winter episode on light pollution.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:05 – 0:16:14] Erik: So yeah, like I said, there are 13 of these sanctuaries designated by the IDA, International Sanctuary.
[0:16:14 – 0:16:16] Adam: Sky Association.
[0:16:16 – 0:16:22] Erik: There is Ai Hai Kalahari Heritage Park in South Africa.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:26] Erik: The Great Barrier Reef Island in New Zealand.
[0:16:26 – 0:16:28] Erik: The Bajoars Canoe Area Wilderness.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:30] Erik: Obviously, that’s in Minnesota.
[0:16:31 – 0:16:34] Erik: The Cosmic Campground, that’s in the United States.
[0:16:34 – 0:16:35] Erik: Wow.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:38] Erik: It just says U.S. What?
[0:16:38 – 0:16:44] Erik: That is on the border of New Mexico and Arizona.
[0:16:44 – 0:16:49] Erik: So basically, it’s just a crazy remote desert campground.
[0:16:50 – 0:16:53] Erik: That would be a fun one to visit.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:57] Erik: Devil’s River State Natural Area, Del Norte Unit, U.S.?
[0:16:59 – 0:17:01] Adam: Sounds like it’s in the same neck of the woods to me.
[0:17:01 – 0:17:02] Adam: Probably, yeah.
[0:17:02 – 0:17:02] Adam: Four corners.
[0:17:04 – 0:17:11] Erik: No, that’s about in the mid, halfway across the Texas border between…
[0:17:13 – 0:17:16] Erik: Basically like where it goes down and then blips again.
[0:17:16 – 0:17:16] Erik: Uh-huh.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:17] Erik: You can see kind of.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:18] Erik: It’s in Texas?
[0:17:18 – 0:17:19] Erik: It’s in Texas, yeah.
[0:17:20 – 0:17:21] Erik: I’m never going there.
[0:17:22 – 0:17:23] Erik: Too close to the border.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:29] Erik: Gabriela Mistral in Chile.
[0:17:29 – 0:17:29] Erik: Okay.
[0:17:30 – 0:17:32] Erik: Katahdin Woods and Waters National Monument.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:36] Erik: That’s in Maine, I believe, because isn’t that where the Appalachian Trail ends?
[0:17:38 – 0:17:39] Erik: Katahdin, Mount Katahdin.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:40] Adam: That sounds right.
[0:17:41 – 0:17:42] Erik: Yep, that’s in northern Maine.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:44] Erik: Um…
[0:17:47 – 0:17:48] Erik: What was the other one there?
[0:17:49 – 0:17:50] Erik: Massacre Rim.
[0:17:50 – 0:17:51] Erik: Wow, that sounds intense.
[0:17:52 – 0:17:53] Erik: That’s in the U.S. as well.
[0:17:53 – 0:18:06] Erik: There’s a few in the U.S. Massacre Rim is nestled between the Black Rock Desert High Rock Canyon Emigrant Trails National Conservation Area and the Sheldon National Wilderness Refuge.
[0:18:07 – 0:18:08] Erik: Whereabouts is that?
[0:18:08 – 0:18:10] Erik: In the middle of nowhere, Nevada.
[0:18:11 – 0:18:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:15] Adam: I bet there’s no UFOs up there.
[0:18:16 – 0:18:16] Erik: No.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:17] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:28] Erik: Each one of these sites, the website’s kind of fun because on each one of these locations, they attach a clear sky chart and how often you get clear nights.
[0:18:28 – 0:18:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:28 – 0:18:33] Erik: And then the level of transparency and the level of actual darkness.
[0:18:33 – 0:18:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:34 – 0:18:38] Erik: So there’s like a whole little like graphic that you can follow along.
[0:18:38 – 0:18:39] Erik: Lots of good information.
[0:18:39 – 0:18:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:40 – 0:18:41] Erik: Oh, I like this.
[0:18:41 – 0:18:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:41 – 0:18:43] Erik: There’s a lot to explore on this website.
[0:18:44 – 0:18:50] Erik: We’ll finish up with the other Niu in N-U.
[0:18:51 – 0:18:51] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:18:51 – 0:18:53] Erik: They need to do a little bit of a better job.
[0:18:55 – 0:19:00] Erik: No, this is just a tiny island northeast of New Zealand.
[0:19:01 – 0:19:01] Erik: Nuuk.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:31] Erik: new pitcairn islands rainbow bridge national park that one sounds like i should know where that is it’s gotta be utah it’s gotta be yep it’s uh on the border of utah and arizona and then stewart island that’s in uh this the southern the third island of new zealand the far uh most south island and then the jump up which is in australia that sounds like fun i’m sure that’s just in the middle would you rather go to the jump up or massacre rim
[0:19:35 – 0:19:37] Adam: In your next hot air balloon adventure, Eric.
[0:19:38 – 0:19:42] Erik: I mean, the most accessible is probably Massacre Rim.
[0:19:42 – 0:19:46] Erik: But if I could go back to Australia, I would go back in a second.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:49] Erik: I’m not getting on a plane anytime soon, I’ll tell you that much.
[0:19:49 – 0:19:52] Adam: Where’s this cosmic campground at Arizona and New Mexico?
[0:19:53 – 0:19:54] Adam: Is this like the Grand Canyon?
[0:19:55 – 0:19:56] Erik: No, it is not.
[0:19:56 – 0:19:56] Erik: It’s…
[0:19:58 – 0:20:01] Erik: It’s just in the desert, right on the border.
[0:20:01 – 0:20:02] Erik: High desert, huh?
[0:20:02 – 0:20:03] Erik: Yeah, Cosmic Campground.
[0:20:04 – 0:20:06] Adam: Is that the name of the town or the county?
[0:20:07 – 0:20:08] Erik: It’s the name of the campground.
[0:20:10 – 0:20:17] Erik: It’s in the Gila National Forest in western New Mexico, situated between the Gila Wilderness and the Blue Range Primitive Area.
[0:20:17 – 0:20:20] Erik: located on land managed by the U.S. Forest Service.
[0:20:20 – 0:20:29] Erik: Campground is located in an exceptionally dark part of the lower 48 with the nearest significant source of artificial light more than 65 kilometers away.
[0:20:31 – 0:20:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:32 – 0:20:33] Adam: So you got that going for you.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:35] Erik: Got some road trip ideas going here.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:36] Erik: Which is nice.
[0:20:36 – 0:20:36] Erik: Yep.
[0:20:37 – 0:20:41] Erik: So, yeah, that’s cool that the Bonjouar’s is on that list.
[0:20:42 – 0:20:50] Erik: It wasn’t just a thing that they decided, like the Bonjouar’s, I don’t know if it was the Forest Service or if a group had to get together to…
[0:20:51 – 0:20:52] Erik: and do it on their own.
[0:20:52 – 0:20:59] Erik: But you needed to go through a pretty rigorous process of getting…
[0:20:59 – 0:21:02] Erik: Applying for it and then getting approved for it.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:04] Erik: So…
[0:21:05 – 0:21:14] Erik: Some other quotes here from the, I say this all the time and I promise I will link to this article.
[0:21:14 – 0:21:17] Erik: It’s an NPR news report.
[0:21:17 – 0:21:30] Erik: There’s a science consultant that one of the quotes from it that I thought was kind of interesting was that it’s estimated that about 85% of the world’s population lives in a place where they cannot see the Milky Way.
[0:21:31 – 0:21:32] Erik: 75%?
[0:21:32 – 0:21:32] Erik: 85%.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:37 – 0:21:38] Adam: I don’t know about that.
[0:21:38 – 0:21:38] Erik: That’s no good.
[0:21:39 – 0:21:40] Erik: That’s no good at all.
[0:21:40 – 0:21:44] Erik: I think it’s, uh, man, it just really disassociates you with so much.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:56] Erik: And that’s a big, that’s a big, so much, you know, like there could be a whole episode that we talk about just that connection with dark skies, just from a human perspective.
[0:21:56 – 0:22:05] Erik: And that’s not the only purpose of the dark sky preservation, um, birds, animals, and they’re, they’re,
[0:22:06 – 0:22:32] Adam: likelihood to survive and thrive in places where there’s just a bunch of car dealerships with lights pointed in the sky uh is greatly diminished so you kind of touched on this in 115 on like your uh your disillusionment with like society at points in time yeah is this what’s wrong is that we know most of the people can’t even see the stars anymore that’s i mean is this what’s wrong with all of us now
[0:22:32 – 0:22:33] Erik: It could be part of it.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:39] Erik: I mean, I think it’s maybe not that specific of a thing to point to, but it’s just probably that general connection.
[0:22:39 – 0:22:42] Adam: Yeah, I mean, I know there’s some crazy folk up here, too.
[0:22:43 – 0:22:43] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:43 – 0:22:45] Adam: And it’s a dark sky area, so.
[0:22:45 – 0:22:46] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:22:47 – 0:22:48] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:22:48 – 0:22:53] Adam: That theory is probably not merited further study, but it’s interesting to think about.
[0:22:54 – 0:22:59] Adam: I wish you would have posed it to me as like, what percentage of people live where you can’t see the Milky Way?
[0:22:59 – 0:22:59] Adam: Sure.
[0:23:00 – 0:23:00] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:23:00 – 0:23:02] Adam: I guess I probably would have been around 80.
[0:23:03 – 0:23:04] Adam: 77%.
[0:23:04 – 0:23:04] Adam: 85%.
[0:23:04 – 0:23:04] Adam: 85.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:13] Adam: It means there’s only 15% of the population that can see the Milky Way on a regular basis just by looking up.
[0:23:14 – 0:23:15] Erik: Yep.
[0:23:15 – 0:23:17] Adam: Horkheimer would be just furious over this.
[0:23:18 – 0:23:18] Erik: Right.
[0:23:18 – 0:23:19] Adam: Jack!
[0:23:20 – 0:23:20] Adam: R.I.P.
[0:23:20 – 0:23:20] Adam: Jack.
[0:23:21 – 0:23:29] Erik: Yep, and we’ll finish with this last part here, which is just interesting slash also kind of fun to say.
[0:23:29 – 0:23:40] Erik: While there are many places in the western U.S. recognized for their dark skies, the region over the Boundary Waters is the only site in the eastern U.S., which is kind of funny to think about the word eastern.
[0:23:40 – 0:23:42] Erik: But I guess if you split it right down the middle.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:45] Adam: There’s either east or west because there’s no in between, Eric.
[0:23:45 – 0:23:45] Erik: No, yep.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:54] Erik: Anyway, it’s the only site in the eastern U.S. with darkness that ranks as level one on something called the Bortles scale.
[0:23:54 – 0:23:55] UNKNOWN: The Bortles?
[0:23:55 – 0:23:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:56 – 0:23:57] Adam: It’s the Bortles scale.
[0:23:57 – 0:23:58] Adam: Hold on.
[0:23:58 – 0:24:01] Adam: Like Blake Bortles got out of football.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:03] Adam: He went into dark sky rankings.
[0:24:03 – 0:24:05] Adam: This is even better than the Danielson scale.
[0:24:05 – 0:24:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:05 – 0:24:06] Adam: So it’s a one?
[0:24:06 – 0:24:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:08] Erik: On the Bortles is a darkness.
[0:24:08 – 0:24:14] Erik: It’s named for an astronomer who devised a system of ranking the quality of night skies from one to nine.
[0:24:15 – 0:24:18] Erik: So I would have to believe that that is the darkest.
[0:24:18 – 0:24:19] Adam: Is it exponential?
[0:24:19 – 0:24:22] Adam: Like the farther from five you get, the more severe?
[0:24:23 – 0:24:24] Adam: Like the Richter scale?
[0:24:24 – 0:24:25] Adam: Yeah, exactly.
[0:24:26 – 0:24:26] Adam: I would hope.
[0:24:26 – 0:24:27] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:24:27 – 0:24:30] Adam: Like a seven’s nuts, but an eight is like five sevens.
[0:24:31 – 0:24:32] Erik: Yeah, what’s a nine?
[0:24:32 – 0:24:36] Adam: Just like… Nine is you’re in a tanning bed.
[0:24:37 – 0:24:39] Erik: Always.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:40] Adam: You ever been in a tanning bed, Eric?
[0:24:40 – 0:24:41] Erik: Yes, I have.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:42] Adam: You have been?
[0:24:42 – 0:24:45] Adam: Oh, no!
[0:24:46 – 0:24:46] Adam: Have you?
[0:24:47 – 0:24:47] Adam: No, I haven’t, actually.
[0:24:47 – 0:24:52] Adam: I wanted to really be able to say that makes two of us, but I haven’t actually been in a tanning bed.
[0:24:52 – 0:24:54] Adam: Did you wear the little, like, tiny goggles?
[0:24:56 – 0:25:03] Erik: I used to go to Florida on spring break with my family, and I would get, like, coming from Minnesota, I would get severely burned.
[0:25:03 – 0:25:04] Erik: You got bordled.
[0:25:04 – 0:25:10] Erik: So I had to get a little pre-color in me before just going down.
[0:25:10 – 0:25:12] Adam: I know why people go in them.
[0:25:12 – 0:25:13] Adam: No, there’s different reasons.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:15] Adam: At least you didn’t go in for prom.
[0:25:15 – 0:25:16] Adam: Yeah, I was 13.
[0:25:16 – 0:25:23] Erik: I wasn’t going in for vanity purposes to get that sick, deep, get that jar of brown on me.
[0:25:23 – 0:25:26] Adam: Yeah, just rub it on with a rag.
[0:25:27 – 0:25:30] Adam: Like the spindles.
[0:25:30 – 0:25:30] Adam: Get that staining mitt.
[0:25:33 – 0:25:38] Erik: Yeah, so we’ll do some more research into the Bortles scale, and maybe we’ll have a fun episode this winter on…
[0:25:38 – 0:25:41] Adam: I was told… Yeah, we should explore this further.
[0:25:41 – 0:25:47] Adam: I was told by a reliable source that there’s only two areas in the entire North America…
[0:25:51 – 0:25:52] Erik: That can’t be right.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:53] Erik: Well, say it.
[0:25:53 – 0:25:53] Adam: The lower 48.
[0:25:53 – 0:25:54] Adam: I’ll just say it.
[0:25:54 – 0:25:58] Adam: There’s only two areas in the lower 48 that are considered truly dark.
[0:25:58 – 0:26:00] Adam: It’s the Boundary Waters and then the Grand Canyon.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:02] Adam: Like at the bottom of the Grand Canyon.
[0:26:03 – 0:26:03] Erik: Sure.
[0:26:03 – 0:26:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:04 – 0:26:06] Adam: Because it filters out a lot of the noise.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:09] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:15] Adam: But, and I’ve, you know, I’ve been to both and I agree, but I haven’t been to Massacre Rim either, so.
[0:26:15 – 0:26:17] Adam: Yeah, it’s kind of got me, you know.
[0:26:17 – 0:26:19] Adam: Or the Cosmic Campground.
[0:26:19 – 0:26:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:26:19 – 0:26:36] Erik: Yeah, I’m thinking I don’t necessarily, I’m not super excited about the off-season and travel, but some of those options, maybe like a road trip, about as self-contained as possible road trip to some really dark sky places would be fun.
[0:26:36 – 0:26:43] Adam: Only if we got a RV camper van and several more GoPros would I consider this.
[0:26:43 – 0:26:44] Adam: Okay.
[0:26:44 – 0:26:45] Adam: We could make our own reality show.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:48] Adam: Well, let’s…
[0:26:49 – 0:26:50] Adam: It’s called Massacre Rim.
[0:26:50 – 0:26:53] Adam: It’s an offshoot Tumble Home YouTube show.
[0:26:53 – 0:26:53] Adam: Okay.
[0:26:54 – 0:26:57] Adam: It’s all about our visit to cosmic camp.
[0:26:58 – 0:27:02] Erik: No, that one might need some more… We’ll have to think about that.
[0:27:02 – 0:27:03] Adam: We’ll file it away.
[0:27:03 – 0:27:07] Erik: Maybe a little bit more… We’ll make a thought tree on that one.
[0:27:07 – 0:27:08] Erik: Well, it’s in the notes.
[0:27:09 – 0:27:16] Erik: Also, on the disguise, we should note that Solar Cycle 25 is officially underway.
[0:27:18 – 0:27:28] Erik: Which means we are beyond the solar minimum and have transgressed, transmogrified.
[0:27:29 – 0:27:31] Erik: We’ve moved on from solar cycle 24.
[0:27:32 – 0:27:32] Adam: Transmittance.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:33] Adam: Yes.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:41] Erik: There’s a fun graphic on spaceweather.com that shows where exactly we are in the process.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:41] Adam: You are here.
[0:27:42 – 0:27:42] Adam: All right.
[0:27:42 – 0:27:43] Adam: We’re on our way back up.
[0:27:43 – 0:27:44] Adam: Keep looking up, Eric.
[0:27:45 – 0:27:55] Erik: Which means, if you haven’t listened to our Aurora episodes, the activity in the night sky involving the Aurora Borealis, a.k.a.
[0:27:55 – 0:28:05] Erik: Northern Lights, should, over the coming years, unfortunately it is a year process, the solar cycle 25 peak is predicted for 2025.
[0:28:06 – 0:28:07] Erik: So hang on to your hats for that.
[0:28:08 – 0:28:11] Erik: But we are at least moving upwards now.
[0:28:11 – 0:28:15] Adam: I think the grouse cycle is similar in time frame.
[0:28:15 – 0:28:18] Adam: I don’t know if they line up perfect, but I do feel like I’ve been seeing more grouse lately.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:19] Adam: Sure.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:20] Adam: More than last year anyways.
[0:28:21 – 0:28:22] Erik: And you think they’re correlating?
[0:28:22 – 0:28:23] Adam: Yeah, I think they are.
[0:28:23 – 0:28:29] Adam: It’s the grouse versus rabbit cycle and then the busy sun versus the still sun.
[0:28:29 – 0:28:30] Adam: Sure.
[0:28:30 – 0:28:33] Erik: Well, I don’t know whatever kind of a cycle the mice are on, but they’re on a massive cycle.
[0:28:33 – 0:28:37] Erik: They’re on the same cycle, but inverted.
[0:28:37 – 0:28:38] Adam: They’re at their peak right now.
[0:28:38 – 0:28:39] Erik: They’re peaking.
[0:28:39 – 0:28:40] Adam: God.
[0:28:40 – 0:28:43] Adam: What do you think KP Index is doing right now?
[0:28:43 – 0:28:45] Adam: I heard he was playing in Europe.
[0:28:46 – 0:28:46] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:28:46 – 0:28:48] Adam: Draining threes left and right.
[0:28:48 – 0:28:49] Adam: In front of cardboard cutouts?
[0:28:50 – 0:28:54] Adam: No, they have actual, in Croatia, they have live fans.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:56] Adam: They’ve got it completely under control.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:57] Erik: Sure, yeah.
[0:28:57 – 0:29:00] Adam: Everybody’s willing to do their part to help their neighbor in Croatia.
[0:29:00 – 0:29:00] Adam: Yep.
[0:29:01 – 0:29:03] Adam: I got one more sky-related one.
[0:29:03 – 0:29:03] Adam: Sweet.
[0:29:03 – 0:29:04] Adam: Let’s keep on the sky.
[0:29:04 – 0:29:05] Adam: What’s with this haze?
[0:29:06 – 0:29:07] Adam: We’re in the peak of the haze.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:08] Adam: Did you see the map?
[0:29:08 – 0:29:09] Erik: I saw you showed me the map.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:10] Adam: I showed you.
[0:29:10 – 0:29:13] Erik: I know you saw the map because I just showed it to you.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:15] Erik: We’re in the plume.
[0:29:15 – 0:29:22] Erik: We basically made it through this whole summer without any of the effects of the… Have you heard?
[0:29:22 – 0:29:23] Erik: Seen this?
[0:29:23 – 0:29:23] Erik: Heard about this?
[0:29:23 – 0:29:25] Erik: There’s apparently some wildfires out west.
[0:29:26 – 0:29:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:26 – 0:29:36] Erik: And usually we’ll get evidence of that either in our skies and the effect that it has on our sunsets and the sun.
[0:29:36 – 0:29:38] Erik: And then sometimes you can even smell it.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:42] Adam: It was hazy yesterday, but I didn’t feel like I was smelling it.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:43] Adam: I haven’t smelled anything.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:44] Adam: Must be really high up yet.
[0:29:45 – 0:29:49] Erik: I think it’s just way up in the, yeah, whatever sphere that is.
[0:29:49 – 0:29:53] Erik: The ones that you smell are usually the Canadian ones that are a little closer.
[0:29:53 – 0:29:58] Adam: Yeah, this plume is kind of going all the way up the west coast and then looping them back down and around.
[0:29:59 – 0:30:05] Erik: Yeah, the graphic as to how it’s getting into Minnesota now is kind of interesting to see how far it’s traveled.
[0:30:07 – 0:30:07] Erik: It’s crazy.
[0:30:08 – 0:30:08] Erik: It is.
[0:30:09 – 0:30:09] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:09 – 0:30:15] Erik: I mean, it was like yesterday, 3, 4 in the afternoon.
[0:30:15 – 0:30:17] Erik: It was a bluebird day.
[0:30:18 – 0:30:22] Erik: And then all of a sudden, it looked like the sun had gone down.
[0:30:25 – 0:30:30] Erik: Beyond the… Like, over the… Like, where the trees… Not down, but, like, it wasn’t directly shining.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:33] Erik: And then you looked and it was like, oh, no, it’s still there.
[0:30:33 – 0:30:35] Erik: It’s just weirdly hazy.
[0:30:35 – 0:30:37] Adam: Just weird little sky pie.
[0:30:37 – 0:30:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:38 – 0:30:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:39 – 0:30:42] Erik: So, I don’t know how that’s going to continue.
[0:30:43 – 0:30:48] Erik: And it’s, like, kind of along with the clouds today.
[0:30:48 – 0:30:51] Erik: Anytime that the sun comes out, like, you can just see…
[0:30:51 – 0:30:54] Erik: the light on the ground is, like, red.
[0:30:54 – 0:30:55] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:30:55 – 0:30:56] Adam: It’s a weird light.
[0:30:56 – 0:30:57] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:30:57 – 0:31:00] Adam: No, and it’s perfect weather for staining a banister, let me tell you.
[0:31:01 – 0:31:01] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:01 – 0:31:05] Adam: The light’s nice and flat, so you can see exactly where you missed.
[0:31:05 – 0:31:05] Adam: No shadows.
[0:31:05 – 0:31:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:05 – 0:31:07] Adam: No splotches.
[0:31:07 – 0:31:13] Erik: You gotta wait until the sun gets blood red from the western fires, and that’s when you stain the deck.
[0:31:14 – 0:31:15] Erik: Old Trapper told me that.
[0:31:15 – 0:31:16] Erik: Zara Brown!
[0:31:17 – 0:31:18] Erik: His name was Zara?
[0:31:18 – 0:31:19] Adam: Thank you for that tip.
[0:31:21 – 0:31:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:23 – 0:31:24] Adam: This next is going down really well.
[0:31:25 – 0:31:26] Erik: It is pretty good.
[0:31:27 – 0:31:34] Erik: It could be a little colder, but I loaded up the truck, and then it’s been a minute since I was able to get that back into a fridge.
[0:31:34 – 0:31:47] Erik: But not that there’s anything necessarily wrong with that, but I feel like a beer of this fullness, this magnitude, probably better just a little bit colder.
[0:31:47 – 0:31:48] Erik: But it is still good.
[0:31:49 – 0:31:59] Erik: I do stand by my statements about the beer that we were drinking with the Heineken, the one that had the money going towards hospitality workers.
[0:32:00 – 0:32:02] Erik: That was one of the best beers I’ve had in a long time.
[0:32:03 – 0:32:07] Erik: I’ve completely forgotten who sponsored that episode, but thank you.
[0:32:07 – 0:32:08] Erik: You know who you are.
[0:32:08 – 0:32:09] Adam: I think it’s Steve.
[0:32:10 – 0:32:11] Adam: No, Steve was the…
[0:32:13 – 0:32:14] Erik: They were the Heineken boys.
[0:32:14 – 0:32:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:32:15 – 0:32:16] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:32:16 – 0:32:16] Erik: All right.
[0:32:16 – 0:32:17] Erik: Let’s go back.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:20] Erik: Well, let’s move off of Dark Sky News.
[0:32:21 – 0:32:21] Adam: Sky News.
[0:32:22 – 0:32:23] Adam: Sky News.
[0:32:23 – 0:32:24] Adam: Pew, pew, pew.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:25] Adam: Pew, pew, pew.
[0:32:27 – 0:32:29] Erik: We got to talk about this.
[0:32:29 – 0:32:36] Erik: This is a little old now, considering where we’re at and just how often we get together this time of year.
[0:32:37 – 0:32:43] Erik: This report originally came out about an unruly woman.
[0:32:44 – 0:32:50] Erik: Over on Lake 1, who had to be escorted out of the Boundary Waters.
[0:32:50 – 0:32:53] Erik: Did you hear that this has been basically entirely changed?
[0:32:53 – 0:32:56] Erik: I don’t understand how… Was it fabricated in the first place?
[0:32:56 – 0:33:00] Adam: No, but… For one, what’s wrong with being nude in the Boundary Waters?
[0:33:00 – 0:33:01] Adam: We’ve already discussed this.
[0:33:01 – 0:33:03] Erik: I don’t think it’s illegal.
[0:33:03 – 0:33:06] Adam: Being unruly is, though, and being on edibles, for sure.
[0:33:06 – 0:33:07] Adam: Yes.
[0:33:07 – 0:33:08] Adam: Not cool.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:11] Erik: Intending to eat edibles is not illegal.
[0:33:11 – 0:33:12] Adam: Which is one of my favorite lines.
[0:33:12 – 0:33:13] Adam: She fessed up.
[0:33:13 – 0:33:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:14 – 0:33:20] Erik: I was planning on eating some edibles, which I love the description as to what edibles are as well.
[0:33:23 – 0:33:25] Adam: Seems like innocent fun to me.
[0:33:26 – 0:33:30] Adam: So you get removed now for having edibles and being nude, apparently.
[0:33:30 – 0:33:31] Erik: Well, this was the original story.
[0:33:32 – 0:33:39] Erik: It was just one woman, nude, on edibles, on Lake One, which is basically like… That’s half the people on Lake One.
[0:33:39 – 0:33:40] Adam: Right.
[0:33:40 – 0:33:42] Adam: Why is this even in the news?
[0:33:43 – 0:33:43] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:44 – 0:33:49] Erik: So the incident on Lake One involved six men, not a woman.
[0:33:50 – 0:33:52] Erik: This is completely changed.
[0:33:52 – 0:33:53] Erik: Oh, dear.
[0:33:53 – 0:34:05] Erik: So this is from the Duluth News Tribune and an incident on Lake One in the Bonjouar’s Canoe Area Wilderness on August 28th involving six unruly naked men and not a woman as earlier reported by the News Tribune.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:07] Adam: How did they mess that up?
[0:34:07 – 0:34:08] Erik: I have no idea.
[0:34:08 – 0:34:08] Erik: How does that happen?
[0:34:08 – 0:34:11] Adam: Our sources are mistaken.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:14] Erik: How does six men just get nude?
[0:34:16 – 0:34:18] Adam: I still don’t see anything wrong with it.
[0:34:18 – 0:34:20] Adam: Well, if they’re unruly, though.
[0:34:20 – 0:34:24] Erik: I don’t mind if there’s a bunch of people out there just jumping in the lake, skinny dipping or whatever.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:26] Erik: But if you’re being unruly, you can’t be naked.
[0:34:27 – 0:34:27] Adam: Why?
[0:34:28 – 0:34:32] Adam: Unruly and naked, that’s when police get called.
[0:34:32 – 0:34:33] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:34:33 – 0:34:35] Adam: I mean, what qualifies as unruly?
[0:34:36 – 0:34:39] Erik: Probably affecting other people’s experiences, I’m assuming.
[0:34:39 – 0:34:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:42] Adam: Yeah, I mean, there’s one thing if you’re skinny dipping.
[0:34:42 – 0:34:46] Adam: There’s another if you’re, like, dancing on a rock out on a point.
[0:34:47 – 0:34:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:47 – 0:34:52] Erik: What was that video that, like, one of those first videos we saw of the Bon Jovi’s dance party?
[0:34:53 – 0:34:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:53 – 0:34:55] Erik: Where it was just, like, acapella.
[0:34:55 – 0:34:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:55 – 0:34:57] Erik: And it was, like, a bunch of guys in camp.
[0:34:57 – 0:34:58] Erik: Yeah, it’s like that.
[0:34:58 – 0:35:00] Adam: If they were all just nude, yeah, whatever.
[0:35:00 – 0:35:01] Adam: Out on a point.
[0:35:01 – 0:35:01] Adam: That’s not unruly.
[0:35:01 – 0:35:04] Adam: And there’s, like, another family camp directly across from them.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:07] Adam: Sure, then that’s probably not in the best taste.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:09] Erik: No.
[0:35:10 – 0:35:26] Erik: Officers from three law enforcement agencies were called to the scene northeast of Ely on the report of drunk, naked, and disorderly behavior by campers who also reportedly were going to be doing edibles.
[0:35:26 – 0:35:26] Adam: Oh my god.
[0:35:26 – 0:35:28] Erik: Which is so interesting.
[0:35:28 – 0:35:31] Adam: So they weren’t doing the edibles, but they were drunk.
[0:35:31 – 0:35:34] Erik: It was reported that they were going to be doing them.
[0:35:34 – 0:35:35] Erik: Were they that drunk?
[0:35:35 – 0:35:38] Adam: They were just yelling about, we’re going to do animals later.
[0:35:38 – 0:35:40] Adam: Yeah, that’s exactly what happened.
[0:35:40 – 0:35:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:41 – 0:35:42] Adam: We got these cookies.
[0:35:43 – 0:35:46] Erik: Oh, man, he’s going to mess me up so good, and I’ll tell you what.
[0:35:46 – 0:35:49] Erik: It’s just like everybody on that lake hearing them.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:53] Adam: Yeah, there’s like no wind at all, and everybody on the lake can hear these idiots yelling.
[0:35:53 – 0:35:55] Adam: All right, I’m not on these guys’ side anymore.
[0:35:56 – 0:35:57] Adam: See, this is the problem.
[0:35:57 – 0:36:02] Adam: It got blamed on women and edibles, but in reality, it was a bunch of dumb boys.
[0:36:03 – 0:36:04] Adam: Who are drunk.
[0:36:05 – 0:36:07] Adam: So what’s the real scourge here?
[0:36:07 – 0:36:08] Adam: I think it’s alcohol.
[0:36:08 – 0:36:10] Adam: Some people can’t handle it.
[0:36:10 – 0:36:13] Adam: And yeah, that’s how you get unruly.
[0:36:13 – 0:36:15] Adam: I was going to say, how is somebody on edibles getting unruly?
[0:36:16 – 0:36:18] Erik: Yeah, maybe they should have taken those edibles a little sooner.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:24] Adam: They should have started with the edibles and then went to the Budweiser, which I’m sure was in metal cans.
[0:36:24 – 0:36:31] Erik: So the U.S. Forest Service, the Minnesota DNR, and Lake County’s Sheriff’s Office responded to the call.
[0:36:32 – 0:36:33] Adam: Everybody wanted to get in on that.
[0:36:33 – 0:36:34] Adam: Where’s the Border Patrol, honestly?
[0:36:36 – 0:36:36] Adam: Let’s get everybody.
[0:36:37 – 0:36:41] Adam: When that call went out across the radio, I’m sure everybody was, all right, let’s go.
[0:36:41 – 0:36:41] Adam: Yep.
[0:36:43 – 0:36:46] Erik: Yeah, I mean, it’s not really a story beyond that because there isn’t any details.
[0:36:46 – 0:36:54] Erik: The most interesting part about it, though, is just like the how, why was it originally reported as a naked woman?
[0:36:55 – 0:36:56] Erik: And it turned out to be six men?
[0:36:57 – 0:36:59] Erik: I don’t even, I don’t know who to believe anymore.
[0:36:59 – 0:37:01] Adam: That’s quite the twist of the story there.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:15] Erik: yeah the exact the exact nature of the citations uh was not released uh the initial complaint came in as a loud music and disorderly behavior report which doesn’t surprise me either um
[0:37:16 – 0:37:22] Erik: It is extremely unusual for anyone to be escorted out of the BWCA due to unruly behavior.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:29] Erik: Lake One is a popular entry point into the Million Acre BWCA wilderness, which has been extremely busy this summer.
[0:37:31 – 0:37:42] Erik: Yeah, and it says that the News Tribune initially reported incorrectly that the officers were called in the scene to report for a woman acting drunk and disorderly.
[0:37:42 – 0:37:44] Erik: So it’s mostly just a correction article.
[0:37:45 – 0:37:46] Erik: Not much more than that.
[0:37:46 – 0:37:47] Adam: That’s quite the correction.
[0:37:47 – 0:37:50] Erik: It’s a huge, that’s a glaring error.
[0:37:51 – 0:37:57] Adam: I can’t even begin to explain as a former journalist how bad of a screw-up that is.
[0:37:58 – 0:37:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:37:59 – 0:38:00] Erik: How does that happen?
[0:38:01 – 0:38:04] Erik: Man, woman, and then six versus one.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:38:07 – 0:38:10] Erik: Yeah, well, I mean, I don’t really know if there’s anything else that we could say on it.
[0:38:10 – 0:38:13] Adam: I’m guessing it started at the base level of, like, they reported it.
[0:38:14 – 0:38:15] Adam: Like, somebody reported it wrong.
[0:38:16 – 0:38:21] Adam: You know, the Duluth News Tribune picked that up and went with it without verifying.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:25] Adam: But, I mean, a lot of times when you’re dealing with government agencies, it’s hard to verify.
[0:38:25 – 0:38:29] Adam: When you’ve got a juicy story like that, you’ve got to get it to the press sometimes.
[0:38:29 – 0:38:36] Erik: Yeah, originally the Forest Service refused to comment on the case saying that they were still actively investigating it.
[0:38:37 – 0:38:42] Adam: They probably only then were like, fine, we’ll tell you guys only because you messed it up so bad.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:45] Adam: Because they’re, you know, I don’t know.
[0:38:46 – 0:38:47] Adam: In my experience…
[0:38:48 – 0:38:53] Adam: A lot of times government officials aren’t all that willing to talk to the press, even though they work for the people.
[0:38:54 – 0:38:56] Adam: That is public information.
[0:38:56 – 0:39:02] Adam: I’m sure we could, if we really wanted to, dig into this and file a freedom of information request, but I don’t want to.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:03] Adam: I don’t care.
[0:39:03 – 0:39:11] Erik: Yeah, it looks like two citations were issued and a report on the incident has been forwarded to agency officials in Washington.
[0:39:11 – 0:39:14] Adam: The two drunkest and, oh, actually, I’ll check that.
[0:39:14 – 0:39:20] Adam: The two worst dancers, the six men, were cited for having terrible moves.
[0:39:21 – 0:39:21] Erik: I mean…
[0:39:23 – 0:39:38] Erik: I just can’t imagine getting that messed up anywhere, ever, that I needed to be escorted away, let alone a boundary where I was like, I would have to imagine the ages are skewing pretty young.
[0:39:39 – 0:39:41] Adam: Yeah, that would be my guess.
[0:39:41 – 0:39:44] Erik: You don’t get drunk and crazy anymore.
[0:39:44 – 0:39:48] Erik: It’s like a calm down or relaxation thing for me.
[0:39:49 – 0:39:51] Erik: Drinking doesn’t make me go nuts anymore.
[0:39:52 – 0:39:56] Erik: It’s probably some crazy teens, if I were to guess, right around maybe 20, 21.
[0:39:56 – 0:39:57] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:40:00 – 0:40:04] Adam: Well, yeah, it sounds like they were really bothering everybody else on the lake, so that’s why they got called in.
[0:40:04 – 0:40:08] Adam: I’m sure everybody on the lake was like, finally, when they got out of there.
[0:40:08 – 0:40:11] Adam: It’s like, all right, now we can look at this beautiful dark sky.
[0:40:12 – 0:40:15] Erik: And it’s one of those areas where you can pick up a cell phone and make that call, too.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:24] Erik: So I wonder how many places that, you know, we have on our side, maybe there’s stuff like that happening that you just can’t do anything about it.
[0:40:25 – 0:40:27] Adam: Yeah, that’ll be our next sat phone conversation.
[0:40:28 – 0:40:29] Erik: There’s some unruly guys.
[0:40:30 – 0:40:33] Erik: Yeah, that’s the thing that’s happening more and more.
[0:40:33 – 0:40:36] Erik: I get that phone call from the family member or the friend.
[0:40:37 – 0:40:37] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:40:38 – 0:40:45] Erik: Oh, yeah, a buddy of mine just sent me an inReach message, says that he’s going to want to get picked up here instead of there, or just picked up in general.
[0:40:46 – 0:40:51] Erik: And it’s like, all right, well, I guess we’ll make time for that one.
[0:40:51 – 0:40:52] Erik: Come get me.
[0:40:53 – 0:40:53] Erik: Come get me.
[0:40:54 – 0:40:54] Erik: Bring edibles.
[0:40:55 – 0:40:57] Erik: Bring edibles.
[0:40:57 – 0:41:00] Erik: Yeah, so that’s kind of, that was another crazy story.
[0:41:01 – 0:41:24] Erik: i don’t know um if it tops the man in the jet ski i don’t like superior but there were so many fun details in that jet ski story there was yeah the fact that they changed it from one woman to six men is the most interesting part about that yeah like what if they just changed that jet ski story to like we apprehended a bear on a jet ski never mind that wasn’t a guy we were way off
[0:41:26 – 0:41:29] Adam: I don’t even know how he drove the jet ski.
[0:41:29 – 0:41:30] Adam: It must have been Bart the Bear.
[0:41:31 – 0:41:32] Erik: Oh, Bart the Bear.
[0:41:32 – 0:41:34] Adam: I bet Bart the Bear did drive a jet ski in his life.
[0:41:35 – 0:41:36] Adam: I bet he did.
[0:41:38 – 0:41:42] Erik: Well, we’ve got a couple of bad portage experiences to share from… We’ve got some correspondence.
[0:41:43 – 0:41:44] Adam: Correspondence.
[0:41:44 – 0:41:46] Adam: Correspondence.
[0:41:46 – 0:41:47] Erik: Correspondence.
[0:41:49 – 0:41:50] Erik: Do you have it?
[0:41:51 – 0:41:51] Erik: Guts.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:53] Erik: We’ve got one from Mitchell here.
[0:41:55 – 0:41:57] Erik: He knows he’s late with this one.
[0:41:57 – 0:41:59] Erik: Can’t hurt to share the story anyway.
[0:42:00 – 0:42:05] Erik: This one’s a couple of paragraphs, so buckle up.
[0:42:06 – 0:42:09] Erik: My two sisters, sorry, let me restart.
[0:42:09 – 0:42:18] Erik: My two stepsisters have done annual BWCA trips for some time, but in June of this year, they went on their first trip with no one but the two of them.
[0:42:19 – 0:42:24] Erik: I knew next to nothing about their trip and plans, so once they were back, I asked them about it.
[0:42:24 – 0:42:25] Erik: Where did they enter?
[0:42:26 – 0:42:26] Erik: Where did they go?
[0:42:27 – 0:42:28] Erik: What did they do?
[0:42:28 – 0:42:29] Erik: What did they see?
[0:42:30 – 0:42:39] Erik: My stepsister casually summarized to me via text that they entered at Fall Lake and that they visited Mud, Muskeg, Ellahall, and Basswood.
[0:42:40 – 0:42:45] Erik: Like any BWCA enthusiast, I later grabbed a map to assist in my visualization of their trip.
[0:42:46 – 0:42:53] Erik: She made specific mention of Back Bay of Basswood and all those other lakes, but not Newton Lake, question mark.
[0:42:54 – 0:42:58] Erik: Surely they paddled through Newton to get from Fall to Basswood.
[0:42:58 – 0:42:59] Erik: Must have just been a forgettable lake.
[0:42:59 – 0:43:00] Erik: Curious.
[0:43:01 – 0:43:09] Erik: Days later, the subject came up with my mom as my stepsister had visited my mom and stepdad and told them about their trip in greater detail.
[0:43:10 – 0:43:15] Erik: My mom’s recollection of details wasn’t great, but she did recall a four-mile portage being mentioned.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:16] Erik: Oh dear.
[0:43:17 – 0:43:18] Erik: Four miles, I thought.
[0:43:18 – 0:43:20] Erik: That’s like 1,200 rods.
[0:43:20 – 0:43:27] Erik: I can’t recall ever seeing such a long portage in all of my time perusing maps, certainly not around Fall Lake.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:30] Erik: After some time of staring at the map…
[0:43:31 – 0:43:38] Erik: I figured that if one were to portage to Ella Hall from Fall and continue in that line, they would reach Basswood in about four miles.
[0:43:39 – 0:43:41] Erik: But no such portage was on my map.
[0:43:42 – 0:43:42] Erik: I checked another.
[0:43:43 – 0:43:43] Erik: No portage.
[0:43:44 – 0:43:46] Erik: I checked another, yet older map.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:47] Erik: Portage confirmed.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:50] Erik: Naturally, I had to know more.
[0:43:50 – 0:44:04] Erik: My Google foo revealed reviews and message board posts going back years, and the general theme was that for at least the last 10 years, no one in their right mind considers the stretch from Ellihall to Basswood to be anything more than a winter route.
[0:44:05 – 0:44:07] Erik: Lots of warnings not to attempt it in the summer.
[0:44:07 – 0:44:08] Erik: Old winter route.
[0:44:09 – 0:44:10] Erik: Dog sledding, basically.
[0:44:11 – 0:44:12] Erik: Evidently, those are wise warnings.
[0:44:13 – 0:44:22] Erik: My two stepsisters fought their way through densely overgrown areas, flooded by beavers in multiple spots, and packed with bugs, all the way to Hoist Bay.
[0:44:23 – 0:44:36] Erik: I’m not sure where, and I’m not sure that they even knew that they even know where, but they also say they were lost somewhere in along the way for some time before eventually finding the trail again.
[0:44:37 – 0:44:40] Erik: If I’m not mistaken, they double portaged.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:41] Erik: Yikes.
[0:44:42 – 0:44:47] Erik: As if their trip wasn’t already memorable enough, they also found themselves raided by a bear on Back Bay.
[0:44:48 – 0:44:50] Erik: Jeez.
[0:44:50 – 0:44:51] Erik: Later in the trip.
[0:44:52 – 0:44:58] Erik: I never had a single doubt in my mind that they could handle a BWCA trip by themselves, but handling this is quite the achievement.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:01] Erik: I hope they are as proud of themselves as I am of them.
[0:45:02 – 0:45:04] Erik: So they did the four-mile portage.
[0:45:04 – 0:45:05] Erik: Yeah, I’m proud.
[0:45:05 – 0:45:06] Erik: The old truck portage.
[0:45:06 – 0:45:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:08] Adam: That is no longer a truck portage.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:13] Erik: And if they double portage it, that’s like 16 miles.
[0:45:14 – 0:45:16] Erik: That’s like more than the Grand Portage.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:19] Adam: It’s like the Bright Angel Trail.
[0:45:19 – 0:45:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:21] Erik: Good Lord.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:21] Adam: The whole thing.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:24] Erik: Getting turned around on that four-mile portage.
[0:45:25 – 0:45:25] Erik: Wow.
[0:45:26 – 0:45:26] Adam: Yeah.
[0:45:27 – 0:45:28] Erik: One more bad portage, I would say.
[0:45:28 – 0:45:32] Adam: That qualifies for sure.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:36] Erik: We’ve got one more here from Dane.
[0:45:37 – 0:45:39] Erik: Do you want to read it or do you want me to just keep the computer facing me?
[0:45:40 – 0:45:41] Adam: No, I can read it.
[0:45:41 – 0:45:42] Adam: Okay.
[0:45:42 – 0:45:42] Adam: Is it long?
[0:45:42 – 0:45:48] Adam: Yeah, it’s probably not as long as the last one, but it sounded interesting.
[0:45:49 – 0:45:50] Adam: Is this an email?
[0:45:51 – 0:45:51] Erik: It is.
[0:45:52 – 0:45:53] Adam: See, people?
[0:45:54 – 0:45:55] Adam: Eric reads all the emails.
[0:45:55 – 0:45:55] Adam: I do.
[0:45:56 – 0:45:57] Erik: Email us.
[0:45:58 – 0:46:01] Erik: Glenn, just before, we do have a couple of voicemails, but… We do?
[0:46:01 – 0:46:04] Erik: Yeah, they’re not necessarily for this episode.
[0:46:04 – 0:46:05] Erik: They’re for future ones.
[0:46:05 – 0:46:09] Erik: Just know if you’ve sent them in, I have received them.
[0:46:09 – 0:46:09] Erik: I do have them.
[0:46:10 – 0:46:10] Adam: All right.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:11] Adam: See?
[0:46:11 – 0:46:12] Adam: It works.
[0:46:12 – 0:46:12] Adam: It works.
[0:46:13 – 0:46:14] Adam: Hi, Eric and Adam.
[0:46:14 – 0:46:18] Adam: My wife, Dog, and I just returned from a quick base camp trip on Brulee.
[0:46:18 – 0:46:26] Adam: Coincidentally, we listened to the bad portage episode en route to the Caribou Trail, and we found ourselves in our first portage debacle.
[0:46:26 – 0:46:27] Adam: We’re still scratching our heads.
[0:46:28 – 0:46:34] Adam: We viewed an absolute cluster while approaching the 165-rod portage to Cherokee Lake from Sitka.
[0:46:35 – 0:46:37] Adam: Six-ish dudes ranging from 30 to 60…
[0:46:40 – 0:46:44] Adam: four canoes, and enough gear to consume every square inch of frontage.
[0:46:44 – 0:46:55] Adam: As we approached, the self-proclaimed leader of the group, whom we’ve dubbed Blackbeard, announced that there were two groups ahead of them and one guy had to come back to retrieve a single canoe.
[0:46:55 – 0:47:02] Adam: I mentioned that it was okay for their group to begin their portage, that the guy returning can just briefly step off the trail when you go by him.
[0:47:02 – 0:47:05] Adam: Blackbeard replied, no, that’s frowned upon.
[0:47:05 – 0:47:05] Adam: Ha!
[0:47:06 – 0:47:28] Adam: yes oh that’s great no one in the group made an attempt to make room for us to get out of our canoe there was plenty of room and we’re too nice to assert ourselves so we stepped out into knee-deep muck and waded to shore this action was enough of a hint to blackbeard that it would be polite for his group to consolidate their gear
[0:47:29 – 0:47:42] Adam: Blackbeard then lifted, with the help of a minion, one end of one of their empty rental canoes and jammed it between two trees at a 50-degree angle, effectively shredding both the gunwale and a significant amount of tree bark.
[0:47:43 – 0:47:52] Adam: After cleaning the muck off ourselves, I told the group that we were just doing a day trip of the loop, so they wouldn’t need to worry that we’d steal a campsite from them.
[0:47:52 – 0:47:54] Adam: I received blank stares in response.
[0:47:55 – 0:47:57] Adam: Then I said, To which Blackbeard replied,
[0:48:00 – 0:48:01] Adam: Nah, we’re double portaging.
[0:48:04 – 0:48:08] Adam: My wife and I stole a quick, huh, so what, glance at each other.
[0:48:08 – 0:48:16] Adam: My wife then summoned her inner Manitowoc Minute alter ego and declared, oh, well then we’re just going to scooch on right by you quick.
[0:48:17 – 0:48:20] Adam: Blackbeard snidely quipped, well, that’s bad form, but whatever.
[0:48:21 – 0:48:25] Adam: Our minds spent the half-mile portage in a fury of WTFs.
[0:48:26 – 0:48:31] Adam: We reached Cherokee, put miles of water between us and the landing, and never once saw Blackbeard’s group in the rear view.
[0:48:32 – 0:48:36] Adam: By the time we stopped for lunch, we couldn’t stop laughing about the encounter.
[0:48:37 – 0:48:49] Adam: Long story short, Blackbeard was under the impression that only one group could portage at a time and in one direction, and he expected us to wait at the beginning of the portage while his group completed their two-mile double portage.
[0:48:50 – 0:48:50] Adam: Sitka Circus.
[0:48:51 – 0:48:56] Adam: You guys were right about the ankle breaker boulders throughout the portages on that loop.
[0:48:56 – 0:49:01] Adam: Well, time to unpack and repack for the shorter Clearwater Loop in three weeks.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:04] Adam: Thank you for the podcast, Dane, Mandy, and Eva.
[0:49:05 – 0:49:06] Adam: Thank you for the email.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:06] Erik: That’s funny.
[0:49:07 – 0:49:07] Adam: Well written.
[0:49:08 – 0:49:11] Adam: I hope I did Blackbeard’s voice proper justice.
[0:49:12 – 0:49:13] Adam: I guarantee I didn’t.
[0:49:13 – 0:49:14] Erik: I love that.
[0:49:14 – 0:49:15] Erik: I love that.
[0:49:16 – 0:49:17] Adam: You can just sneak right past you there.
[0:49:18 – 0:49:19] Erik: I love that Manitowoc.
[0:49:19 – 0:49:20] Erik: The Manitowoc Minute.
[0:49:21 – 0:49:23] Erik: I got the hope right, that’s for sure.
[0:49:25 – 0:49:29] Erik: I just love the… You know that Blackbeard guy.
[0:49:30 – 0:49:32] Erik: Everybody’s met a guy like that.
[0:49:33 – 0:49:34] Erik: No, no, no.
[0:49:35 – 0:49:36] Erik: That’s not… That’s frowned upon.
[0:49:36 – 0:49:38] Erik: Yeah, that’s frowned upon.
[0:49:38 – 0:49:39] Erik: He’s got the etiquette figured out.
[0:49:39 – 0:49:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:40 – 0:49:46] Erik: And what kind of a horrible circus would the banjoers be if that’s the way that the portages had to work?
[0:49:47 – 0:49:49] Erik: Like, have you never heard of playing through?
[0:49:49 – 0:49:50] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:50 – 0:49:51] Erik: Mind if we play through?
[0:49:51 – 0:49:52] Erik: We’re a twosome.
[0:49:52 – 0:49:55] Erik: You’re a group of eight double portaging.
[0:49:56 – 0:50:01] Erik: So you want me to sit here and wait for you to double portage?
[0:50:01 – 0:50:02] Erik: Is that the idea?
[0:50:04 – 0:50:05] Adam: Yeah, they were too polite.
[0:50:05 – 0:50:08] Adam: They should have just played through aggressively fun.
[0:50:09 – 0:50:11] Erik: Well, that’s bad form, but whatever.
[0:50:11 – 0:50:12] Erik: Whatever.
[0:50:14 – 0:50:43] Erik: I would love to get more stories like that because there is a whole host of I’m sure I welcome additional emails like this one for sure I kind of just basically glazed over it and I could just tell this is going to be a fun one to read on the podcast it’s not even bad portages it’s just like a fun concept and experience like there’s
[0:50:45 – 0:50:48] Adam: people out there that would think that that’s the best way to portage.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:54] Erik: So that’s all we’ve got for portages.
[0:50:54 – 0:50:59] Erik: Boy, like 3.25 episodes to get through bad portages.
[0:51:00 – 0:51:01] Adam: Yeah, it’s something that sticks with people.
[0:51:02 – 0:51:04] Adam: People always want to talk about bad portages for sure.
[0:51:04 – 0:51:04] Erik: Yep.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:09] Erik: So we’re going to move past that.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:21] Erik: Obviously, this has just kind of been a blur catch-up episode because the fastest two weeks of my life have just gone by.
[0:51:21 – 0:51:24] Erik: And it’s probably going to happen again.
[0:51:25 – 0:51:32] Erik: But I think maybe it’s looking like a little bit of a let-up.
[0:51:33 – 0:51:34] Erik: It is…
[0:51:37 – 0:51:40] Erik: Every day we’re still sending out three permits on Clearwater.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:42] Erik: All of our cabins are still full.
[0:51:43 – 0:51:47] Erik: But it seems like the groups are getting a little smaller.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:52] Adam: I had a buddy pop in in town, and he had acquired a Clearwater permit.
[0:51:52 – 0:51:58] Adam: Him and his special lady were going out, and they were planning to go to Johnson Falls, apparently.
[0:51:59 – 0:51:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:52:00 – 0:52:01] Adam: And I was like, when did you get this permit?
[0:52:01 – 0:52:04] Adam: Did you have this all summer, or did you just pick it?
[0:52:04 – 0:52:07] Erik: And he said, oh, we just made an impromptu trip.
[0:52:07 – 0:52:08] Erik: There’s one available.
[0:52:08 – 0:52:12] Erik: Well, I mean, if you’re on there enough, and if you’ve got the time to refresh…
[0:52:13 – 0:52:15] Erik: You can still find clear water permits.
[0:52:15 – 0:52:20] Erik: There’s one thing I’ve noticed this year is that the permits, they pop up and disappear like pretty regularly.
[0:52:22 – 0:52:35] Erik: The fluidity of people’s plans in this day and age seems to be translating into last second availability and not as much availability.
[0:52:35 – 0:52:38] Erik: It just depends on how much you can get on that rec.gov website.
[0:52:38 – 0:52:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:52:41 – 0:52:48] Adam: There’s one item from our Tumblehome cast this week that I think we probably should talk about a little bit before we get out of this episode.
[0:52:48 – 0:52:49] Adam: I don’t know how you feel about this, Eric.
[0:52:49 – 0:52:50] Erik: Oh, yeah, we have to talk about that.
[0:52:50 – 0:52:51] Erik: Extra paddle.
[0:52:51 – 0:52:53] Erik: Yeah, we have to talk about the extra paddle comments.
[0:52:53 – 0:53:00] Adam: There’s a really good thread on extra paddle, yes or no, by you, Threshroodloon.
[0:53:01 – 0:53:02] Adam: The Shroodloon.
[0:53:02 – 0:53:03] Erik: The Shroodloon.
[0:53:03 – 0:53:05] Adam: Threshroodloon.
[0:53:05 – 0:53:06] Adam: Yeah, no, there’s…
[0:53:08 – 0:53:14] Adam: I can’t remember the last time I brought an extra paddle on a trip.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:21] Adam: This whole thread got me thinking I’m not being safe now by not going out with an extra paddle.
[0:53:21 – 0:53:32] Erik: Yeah, I think I responded to it, and I basically said, basically the question is, do you bring an extra paddle, yes or no, on top of the one that you’re bringing?
[0:53:33 – 0:53:37] Erik: And I think you’d be crazy to not bring an extra one as a solo paddler.
[0:53:37 – 0:53:41] Adam: Yeah, like you’re going to take an extra one when you go to Davis in October for sure.
[0:53:41 – 0:53:41] Erik: Yes.
[0:53:43 – 0:53:44] Erik: You never know.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:45] Erik: Right.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:46] Erik: Freakier things have happened.
[0:53:47 – 0:53:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:53:47 – 0:53:52] Erik: You can end up snapping, breaking, blown away, whatever.
[0:53:52 – 0:53:53] Erik: Things can happen.
[0:53:54 – 0:54:10] Erik: It’s still highly unlikely, and that’s why I think the response that I had to whether or not an extra paddle is warranted is, I think, less of a concern the higher the number of people involved in the trip is.
[0:54:11 – 0:54:11] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:54:11 – 0:54:11] Erik: Because…
[0:54:13 – 0:54:33] Erik: especially if you’re if there’s like a three person and they all everybody has a paddle all right well you’ve basically got an extra paddle already if you’ve got like a group of nine yeah same kind of the same thing then you just put somebody on ir forced ir you’re gonna have to take a break and maybe read some poetry to the group yeah but
[0:54:33 – 0:54:37] Adam: Yeah, I don’t think I even had a spare paddle on our Aquetico trip, to be honest.
[0:54:37 – 0:54:40] Adam: And I fell on my paddle one point with a full pack on.
[0:54:40 – 0:54:41] Erik: That one over in the corner there?
[0:54:41 – 0:54:42] Erik: That one right there.
[0:54:42 – 0:54:43] Erik: That one is literally unbreakable.
[0:54:43 – 0:54:49] Adam: Yeah, I think pretty much that one weighs about 12 pounds, give or take.
[0:54:49 – 0:54:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:49 – 0:54:53] Erik: Yeah, that is made from like the heart of a maple.
[0:54:54 – 0:54:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:55 – 0:54:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:56 – 0:54:56] Erik: So, yeah, I don’t know.
[0:54:56 – 0:54:59] Erik: I think it’s still up to the paddler.
[0:54:59 – 0:55:04] Erik: But the fewer numbers, probably I would say a solo or a two-person trip, why not?
[0:55:04 – 0:55:08] Erik: Strap one in, get a bungee-deely-bob, and throw an extra paddle in.
[0:55:08 – 0:55:10] Erik: Be a lot better off than not having one.
[0:55:10 – 0:55:15] Erik: And you’ve seen, you know, you talk about Captain Mike having a fashion paddle.
[0:55:15 – 0:55:17] Erik: Yeah, paddling with a log.
[0:55:17 – 0:55:23] Erik: And I’ve seen people come off the water with, like, other crazy-fashioned paddles because they break one or lose one or whatever.
[0:55:23 – 0:55:25] Erik: But, yeah, yeah.
[0:55:27 – 0:55:29] Erik: Some other fun posts on the subreddit.
[0:55:31 – 0:55:32] Erik: Not that we have to go into too many of them.
[0:55:33 – 0:55:37] Erik: But it’s a fun little community that we have there.
[0:55:37 – 0:55:39] Erik: We appreciate that there is involvement.
[0:55:40 – 0:55:43] Erik: And we love everything that we see on there.
[0:55:44 – 0:55:52] Erik: And I still do find it really kind of surprising that the Beaver Island North Star Canoe IPA beer is like…
[0:55:54 – 0:56:21] Erik: impossible to find anywhere because i had north star stopped by and they dropped off another six pack of those beers the ones we were sponsored by on the next week yeah and they’re very clearly a beer but still no information on either north star or beaver island did they just make them specifically for north star to hand out to like their canoe buyers yeah it’s a rep special yeah so um
[0:56:21 – 0:56:25] Erik: Yeah, there’s still fun on the subreddit.
[0:56:25 – 0:56:30] Erik: This is very clearly not a hard-hitting episode filled with content.
[0:56:31 – 0:56:37] Erik: Well, it was filled with content, but not filled with Boundary Waters-like lake review information.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:40] Adam: Yeah, but we found out about the Bortles scale.
[0:56:41 – 0:56:42] Erik: We found out about the Bortles scale.
[0:56:42 – 0:56:50] Adam: Next time you’re on a camping trip and you’re going to impress your campmates with tales of the Bortles scale and how, look it, folks, you’re looking at our number one right now.
[0:56:51 – 0:56:51] Erik: Number one out of nine.
[0:56:51 – 0:56:54] Adam: You’re number one in my heart and also in the sky’s heart.
[0:56:54 – 0:56:56] Adam: Thank you for being here with me on this trip.
[0:56:56 – 0:56:58] Erik: You can say to them, that’s the Bortles scale.
[0:56:58 – 0:57:00] Erik: That’s the Bortles scale.
[0:57:00 – 0:57:02] Adam: It’s going to be moving and eloquent.
[0:57:03 – 0:57:06] Adam: So at least we got that out of this episode.
[0:57:07 – 0:57:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:11] Erik: So we are going to come back, I believe, next week.
[0:57:14 – 0:57:15] Erik: I think we’re going to…
[0:57:15 – 0:57:21] Erik: This was, again, from the what is now just becoming sentient subreddit.
[0:57:22 – 0:57:22] Erik: There was a…
[0:57:23 – 0:57:27] Erik: I think a month ago I scrolled all the way back down.
[0:57:27 – 0:57:29] Erik: This is from Bird Doggin’ It.
[0:57:29 – 0:57:34] Erik: And we’re going to do this, and I’ve thrown this question out to some other fellow outfitters.
[0:57:35 – 0:57:43] Erik: And we’re going to ask you, now, and on the subreddit on Facebook…
[0:57:45 – 0:57:57] Erik: Focusing on people’s bests, and I like that the best was involved here because there have been some fun wind moments, but best slash worst wind-related moments.
[0:57:59 – 0:58:04] Erik: So, headwinds, especially this time of year, the winds affect the trips more than ever.
[0:58:04 – 0:58:06] Erik: And…
[0:58:08 – 0:58:23] Erik: What’s your thinking on winds in the boundary waters, regardless of the time of year, but especially in the fall when the water temperatures get to be a little bit more dangerous temperature-wise?
[0:58:24 – 0:58:26] Erik: You don’t want to be sipping any of that water?
[0:58:26 – 0:58:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:28 – 0:58:31] Erik: Have you had an experience that has caused you to stay in camp?
[0:58:32 – 0:58:34] Erik: Have you pressed into the wind?
[0:58:36 – 0:58:39] Erik: Have you spent days windbound?
[0:58:39 – 0:58:48] Erik: Just generally, I will do my best to boil this down into a question that’s a little bit more concise when I post it.
[0:58:48 – 0:58:50] Erik: But generally, we’re talking wind.
[0:58:50 – 0:58:58] Erik: We’re going to try to get some information from the quote-unquote experts in the form of other outfitters if they have protocols.
[0:58:59 – 0:59:25] Erik: i’ve sent a message to to voyager i’d love to know like i think we’ve asked them like do they have days where they just don’t send out even their tow boats you know like what’s the is there a point where you’re not even sending motorboats out on the lake because i have a point where i’m not sending canoes out on the water but it’s very rare that i don’t send out the john boat on the lake i thought 115 could have been called northwest wind
[0:59:26 – 0:59:26] Erik: Yes.
[0:59:28 – 0:59:29] Erik: Northwest wind.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:30] Erik: Heavy northwest wind that day.
[0:59:30 – 0:59:31] Erik: And it’s been a windy fall.
[0:59:32 – 0:59:36] Erik: And I’m sure there’s going to be some windier days ahead.
[0:59:36 – 0:59:50] Erik: So we’re going to talk with you a little bit more in the upcoming week and or weeks, knowing what we know and based on the amount of feedback that we get from people.
[0:59:50 – 0:59:52] Erik: It’ll probably be a couple of episodes.
[0:59:53 – 0:59:54] Erik: But we’re talking winds.
[0:59:56 – 1:00:21] Adam: the boy situations right we are thank you matt for this beautiful new and experimental beer today it’s gone if you can tell mine’s gone and it was it was quite delicious yeah it was good do you have anything else to add before we uh
[1:00:22 – 1:00:34] Erik: wrap up shop here and maybe try to sneak in a little round on the disc golf course before I have to get back at it tomorrow.
[1:00:34 – 1:00:35] Adam: Yeah, I think that sounds good.
[1:00:35 – 1:00:39] Adam: I have nothing else that I had in my notes for this episode.
[1:00:39 – 1:00:39] Adam: All right.
[1:00:39 – 1:00:45] Adam: I think we can wrap it for episode 116 of Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[1:00:46 – 1:00:49] Adam: Thank you for being here with us today, Eric, on the show.
[1:00:49 – 1:00:50] Erik: Wow.
[1:00:51 – 1:00:54] Adam: I like how I thanked you for being on the show in the other episode.
[1:00:54 – 1:00:56] Adam: I did laugh at that moment.
[1:00:56 – 1:00:59] Erik: Thanking me for everybody else.
[1:00:59 – 1:01:00] Erik: Yeah, thank you personally.
[1:01:00 – 1:01:01] Erik: I’m happy to be here.
[1:01:01 – 1:01:03] Adam: Thank you for episode 115.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:07] Adam: I enjoyed it, and I didn’t have to do anything because I’m not an outfitter.
[1:01:07 – 1:01:10] Adam: But I enjoyed the stories even though I’ve worked at an outfitter.
[1:01:11 – 1:01:13] Adam: But thank you for being here today for 116.
[1:01:13 – 1:01:16] Adam: My name is Adam, coming to you live from Studio K.
[1:01:18 – 1:01:22] Adam: And remember, folks, every day is precious and life is a miracle.
[1:01:23 – 1:01:24] Adam: Keep looking up, you know.
[1:01:26 – 1:01:28] Adam: If you can see the stars, you’re in a beautiful place.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:29] Adam: I think that’s a good spot to leave it.
[1:01:30 – 1:01:34] Adam: And I think it’s time, if I’m not mistaken, to cue the chiptunes.
[1:01:34 – 1:01:34] Adam: Is this right?
[1:01:34 – 1:01:36] Adam: We have to cue the chiptunes this week.
[1:01:36 – 1:01:37] Adam: Cue chiptunes.
[1:01:38 – 1:01:39] Erik: Find the stars.
[1:01:40 – 1:01:43] Adam: Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
