269: Canoeing with the Cree: The Father of Troubles

Episode Transcript

[0:00:01 – 0:00:09] Adam: I awoke at midnight with a sense of having heard strange noises, and as I listened I realized they were coming from Walt, curled up beside me.
[0:00:10 – 0:00:13] Adam: At first I thought he was mumbling in his sleep and prepared to settle down again.
[0:00:14 – 0:00:15] Adam: Then I knew he was moaning.
[0:00:16 – 0:00:20] Adam: I realized that he must be suffering awfully and felt ashamed for having made light of his injury.
[0:00:22 – 0:00:26] Adam: I sat up most of the night trying to think what to do next, for it must be serious.
[0:00:26 – 0:00:28] Adam: Nothing less could make Walt flinch.
[0:00:29 – 0:00:31] Adam: In the morning we removed the poultice.
[0:00:31 – 0:00:38] Adam: It had accomplished nothing, and now his thumb, brown and discolored, had swollen so it resembled the thumb of a boxing glove.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:41] Adam: Back to Fargo we had to go.
[0:00:43 – 0:00:49] Adam: We hid the outfit in the bushes and dragged the canoe well up on the bank, threw our sweaters over our shoulders and started the hike to town.
[0:00:51 – 0:00:57] Adam: When at the end of eleven days Walt’s hand was almost healed, and we decided we must be off, the parting with the doctor was hard.
[0:00:58 – 0:01:02] Adam: I am sure there were tears in his eyes, and I know there were tears in mine, and in Walt’s.
[0:01:03 – 0:01:07] Adam: Half a mile away at the first bend, we turned and saw his tall figure at the water’s edge.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:08] Adam: He was still watching us.
[0:01:09 – 0:01:13] Adam: The doctor’s parting words repeated themselves in my brain continually during the rest of the day.
[0:01:15 – 0:01:19] Adam: Don’t let anyone, no matter who he is, convince you that your trip can’t be completed.
[0:01:20 – 0:01:22] Adam: You have youth and strength, and courage too.
[0:01:23 – 0:01:26] Adam: I hope, and with a little common sense, you can do it.
[0:01:28 – 0:01:34] Adam: Handling the paddle gingerly with his injured hand, Walt was able to help thrust the canoe along, but we had to go slowly.
[0:01:35 – 0:01:39] Adam: We were two weeks behind our schedule, the first of August was at hand, and we progressed northward.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:41] Adam: The nights began to be chilly.
[0:01:55 – 0:01:57] UNKNOWN: Thank you.
[0:02:11 – 0:02:14] Erik: There’s no map left to guide us.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:16] Erik: My name is Eric.
[0:02:16 – 0:02:17] Erik: Hello, welcome.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:27] Erik: It’s Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast joined in the shed in the morning by my good friend and gentleman, Adam.
[0:02:27 – 0:02:28] Erik: Hello.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:29] Erik: Good morning, sir.
[0:02:30 – 0:02:32] Erik: Guten Morgen.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:36] Erik: We were talking maybe one of the first morning records in the shed today.
[0:02:37 – 0:02:37] Erik: Very pleasant.
[0:02:38 – 0:02:38] Erik: Very pleasant.
[0:02:39 – 0:02:44] Erik: Plenty of in the field morning records, obviously, but we’re in the shed.
[0:02:44 – 0:02:45] Erik: It’s bright and early.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:47] Erik: It’s October 21st.
[0:02:47 – 0:02:48] Erik: Open the window.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:51] Erik: Feels like it’s August 21st.
[0:02:51 – 0:02:52] Erik: My God.
[0:02:53 – 0:02:56] Adam: We got a window and it’s open wide.
[0:02:56 – 0:02:57] Erik: One window wide open.
[0:02:57 – 0:03:04] Erik: I think if we did the garage door, there might be a little too much dog interference.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:04] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:05] Adam: They’re frisky this morning.
[0:03:05 – 0:03:06] Adam: Arrow would definitely run away.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:09] Adam: Can’t have it.
[0:03:09 – 0:03:12] Adam: Just the window gets to be open today, but it’s beautiful out there.
[0:03:12 – 0:03:13] Adam: Can you imagine paddling on a day like today?
[0:03:14 – 0:03:14] Erik: Oh, God.
[0:03:14 – 0:03:19] Erik: I was walking the dogs this morning, and you just get that cool morning.
[0:03:20 – 0:03:24] Erik: The dew is burning off, and it’s dead calm, too.
[0:03:24 – 0:03:26] Adam: I wish I was on Lac La Croix right now.
[0:03:26 – 0:03:26] Erik: I know.
[0:03:26 – 0:03:33] Erik: It definitely just hearkened back deep Quetico memories of the good days.
[0:03:33 – 0:03:34] Erik: The good days.
[0:03:34 – 0:03:37] Erik: The good, calm days out on big water, deep.
[0:03:39 – 0:03:46] Erik: Most of the leaves are gone, but we’ve got the burgundy understory is still fiery.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:49] Adam: The tamaracks in the yard are nice and yellow right now.
[0:03:49 – 0:03:50] Erik: Yeah, it’s Tamarack season.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:52] Erik: Underrated, deep fall, Tamaracks.
[0:03:52 – 0:03:54] Adam: I feel like I’m on Kenny right now, Eric.
[0:03:55 – 0:03:56] Erik: Oh, Kenny, yes.
[0:03:57 – 0:03:58] Adam: That was like early in the trip.
[0:03:58 – 0:04:01] Adam: That was like one of the nicer days, though, or Mickery.
[0:04:01 – 0:04:01] Adam: We jumped in.
[0:04:01 – 0:04:03] Adam: I feel like I’m on the beaches of Mickery right now.
[0:04:03 – 0:04:05] Adam: The beaches of Mickery.
[0:04:06 – 0:04:09] Erik: What was the last day we swam on that trip?
[0:04:09 – 0:04:10] Erik: Do you remember?
[0:04:10 – 0:04:13] Erik: Because we for sure swam on Kenny.
[0:04:13 – 0:04:16] Erik: And then the bathtub going into Agnes.
[0:04:17 – 0:04:18] Adam: Louise, yeah.
[0:04:19 – 0:04:21] Erik: Was there any later swim?
[0:04:22 – 0:04:23] Adam: I don’t think so.
[0:04:25 – 0:04:28] Erik: Just the shower at the hotel.
[0:04:28 – 0:04:28] Erik: Right.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:30] Erik: Of course, the standing bath.
[0:04:30 – 0:04:32] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:35] Adam: Did anybody hop in on Batchewan the first night?
[0:04:36 – 0:04:41] Adam: We had a full moon, and I remember that being pretty nice, but that was right before the storm blew in.
[0:04:41 – 0:04:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:42 – 0:04:45] Adam: And then, yeah, the next chance maybe would have been
[0:04:47 – 0:04:49] Adam: you know, like table rock or something.
[0:04:49 – 0:04:50] Adam: It was cold by then though.
[0:04:50 – 0:04:54] Adam: I think, yeah, it got pretty like our night on Lac La Croix was pretty nice, but I don’t think it was swimmable.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:59] Erik: Yeah, it got pretty icy, basically like that evening on Batchawan.
[0:04:59 – 0:05:02] Erik: We didn’t have any weather this warm this late into October on our trip.
[0:05:02 – 0:05:02] Erik: This late?
[0:05:02 – 0:05:03] Adam: No.
[0:05:03 – 0:05:05] Adam: Yeah, that’s what I was thinking, though.
[0:05:05 – 0:05:10] Adam: As soon as I walked the dog this morning, I was like, man, can you imagine if you’re on a month-long trip this year and getting this day?
[0:05:10 – 0:05:17] Erik: God, this is the October that is reminiscent of my very first Quetico trip, where as soon as I got back, I was like…
[0:05:18 – 0:05:20] Erik: We’ve got to do this again next year.
[0:05:20 – 0:05:21] Erik: It’s amazing.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:21] Erik: It’s incredible.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:23] Erik: Every day is dead calm and sunny.
[0:05:23 – 0:05:27] Erik: And then every subsequent trip was just like, well, there’s a couple of those days.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:29] Adam: You get those rare days in October.
[0:05:29 – 0:05:31] Adam: We’ll get some of these days even in November up here.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:33] Adam: I’ve had that.
[0:05:33 – 0:05:44] Adam: That one year when we first bought the land, we were out there for like a week in the wall tent just to grow something and just messing around because the trail center was closed.
[0:05:44 – 0:05:46] Adam: It was like this for like a week straight in November.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:47] Adam: I remember that one was legendary.
[0:05:48 – 0:05:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:48 – 0:05:50] Adam: Beautiful out there, though, today, I can imagine.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:55] Adam: I wish I was still on the water somewhere, but not on the water.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:58] Adam: We’re in the shed, and we’re going to have a nice morning record here.
[0:05:58 – 0:06:00] Adam: Brother Andrew’s on his way up today.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:03] Adam: He’s currently driving through central Wisconsin.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:04] Erik: Huzzah.
[0:06:04 – 0:06:04] Adam: Huzzah.
[0:06:04 – 0:06:08] Adam: Hopefully he stops and picks up some Anchor Burgers on his way.
[0:06:08 – 0:06:12] Erik: Yeah, could you imagine getting some two-and-a-half-hour-old Anchor Burgers delivered?
[0:06:12 – 0:06:14] Erik: Yeah, I’d eat it.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:15] Erik: Well, I mean, you’re a father of two.
[0:06:15 – 0:06:17] Erik: You pretty much eat anything at this point.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:22] Adam: You know, I heard a man gains a pound a year until he turns 60.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:27] Adam: I don’t know where I heard that.
[0:06:27 – 0:06:30] Adam: It was Max Cady.
[0:06:31 – 0:06:33] Adam: My dear friend Max Cady told me that.
[0:06:33 – 0:06:36] Adam: He didn’t really tell me that.
[0:06:36 – 0:06:38] Adam: He so much as spoke that at me.
[0:06:39 – 0:06:43] Erik: Yeah, we are definitely back in the mezzanine again tonight.
[0:06:43 – 0:06:49] Erik: Back to back mezzanines, back to back Katie’s years.
[0:06:50 – 0:06:53] Erik: Just I’m pretty sure I know.
[0:06:53 – 0:06:57] Erik: But do you just as a teaser, you do have to become a five dollar a month patron.
[0:06:57 – 0:07:02] Erik: If you want to hear us talk about the 91 Scorsese version of Cape Fear.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:26] Erik: uh who’s your uh who’s your favorite katie out of the two we got uh mitchum versus de niro i mean de niro yeah it’s not even close uh his everything about him is i mean incredible yeah his outfits his hair his tattoos the tattoos the outfits the accent the accent i don’t know what that is but i love it
[0:07:27 – 0:07:28] Erik: Yeah, who knows what that is?
[0:07:28 – 0:07:30] Erik: I watched it last night with Tori.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:31] Erik: She’s like, what accent is that?
[0:07:31 – 0:07:32] Erik: I’m like, I don’t know.
[0:07:32 – 0:07:34] Erik: I think it’s supposed to be in Georgia, but I also think
[0:07:34 – 0:07:36] Adam: I think this one occurs in North Carolina.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:37] Erik: Oh, yes.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:39] Erik: The North Carolina plates give it away.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:43] Erik: But also, I feel like De Niro’s doing his own thing.
[0:07:43 – 0:07:47] Adam: I think it’s one of them where they’re just like, he showed up doing that, and they’re like, well, don’t correct him.
[0:07:47 – 0:07:48] Adam: Just let him do that.
[0:07:49 – 0:07:51] Erik: We’re just going to have to go with it.
[0:07:52 – 0:07:55] Adam: It’s incredible, though, and he’s a much more playful Max Cady.
[0:07:55 – 0:08:01] Adam: If you can say that a Max Cady can be playful, I’m not sure he can, but…
[0:08:01 – 0:08:03] Erik: It might be too late to pull the trigger on this.
[0:08:03 – 0:08:07] Erik: And also, I don’t have any parties lined up for Halloween.
[0:08:07 – 0:08:16] Erik: But Max Cady in the Hawaiian shirt and the white Dom DeLuise hat with the big massive aviators would be…
[0:08:17 – 0:08:18] Erik: I mean, that’s just a sick look in general.
[0:08:19 – 0:08:23] Adam: Yeah, it’d be comfortable, iconic, and scary.
[0:08:23 – 0:08:24] Adam: And scary, totally.
[0:08:25 – 0:08:28] Erik: I don’t know if my hair’s long enough to do the full greased back.
[0:08:28 – 0:08:29] Erik: You’d have to get a wig.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:31] Adam: I’d have to probably do a little wig.
[0:08:31 – 0:08:34] Adam: You’d probably get one sent from overseas in a week.
[0:08:34 – 0:08:37] Erik: And I’m sure from Karachi I could get the whole look.
[0:08:41 – 0:08:42] Erik: Oh, dear.
[0:08:42 – 0:08:43] Erik: It’s going to be a good one.
[0:08:43 – 0:08:43] Erik: I can’t wait.
[0:08:44 – 0:08:44] Adam: I can’t wait.
[0:08:44 – 0:08:46] Adam: We’re talking about that immediately after this.
[0:08:47 – 0:08:49] Adam: Brother Andrew should be here for dinner.
[0:08:49 – 0:08:51] Adam: I told him I’d have the grill lit.
[0:08:51 – 0:08:53] Adam: We’re going to throw those burgers right back on the grill when he gets here.
[0:08:54 – 0:08:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:56 – 0:08:57] Adam: He was texting me all week.
[0:08:57 – 0:09:02] Adam: He’s been messing around with experimental biters using egg roll wrappers.
[0:09:03 – 0:09:06] Adam: And I think we’re going to mess around with some of that this week when he gets up here.
[0:09:06 – 0:09:07] Adam: That’s exciting.
[0:09:07 – 0:09:09] Adam: He would have left earlier, but I think he…
[0:09:09 – 0:09:15] Adam: He was getting a late start, plus he couldn’t find egg roll wrappers anywhere in the Fox River Valley.
[0:09:16 – 0:09:19] Erik: Oh, Wisconsin doesn’t have a great oriental culinary scene?
[0:09:20 – 0:09:22] Adam: Every grocery store has an oriental aisle.
[0:09:22 – 0:09:23] Adam: An oriental section.
[0:09:23 – 0:09:24] Adam: Even the Piggly Wiggly.
[0:09:26 – 0:09:31] Adam: Anyways, I think he must have found something because then he texted right before you got here and said he was on his way.
[0:09:31 – 0:09:34] Adam: So he gave me a very specific ETA.
[0:09:34 – 0:09:40] Adam: So I’m going to light the grill 10 minutes before what he said, and I assume it’ll be perfect timing.
[0:09:40 – 0:09:41] Erik: Nice.
[0:09:41 – 0:09:45] Erik: A bucket of spotted cows and a sack of Anchor Burgers.
[0:09:45 – 0:09:48] Adam: He asked what I wanted, and I said, you know what I need.
[0:09:48 – 0:09:49] Erik: Yeah, you know what I need.
[0:09:49 – 0:09:51] Adam: Plus some egg roll wrappers also.
[0:09:51 – 0:09:58] Erik: I love the idea of him frantically working on experimental biters through the night and into the morning.
[0:09:58 – 0:10:00] Erik: There’s no time to get up here.
[0:10:00 – 0:10:04] Adam: Like multiple times this week, he just sent me a picture of some homemade biters too.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:06] Adam: These are real artistic endeavors.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:07] Erik: Artisanal.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:09] Adam: Artisanal biters.
[0:10:10 – 0:10:13] Adam: And he just sent a picture and then said, guess what’s in the biter?
[0:10:14 – 0:10:16] Adam: So we played that game all week.
[0:10:16 – 0:10:17] Adam: I didn’t get one right.
[0:10:18 – 0:10:20] Adam: He did try biscuits and gravy at one point.
[0:10:21 – 0:10:23] Adam: He did a fajita.
[0:10:24 – 0:10:24] Adam: No, dang.
[0:10:25 – 0:10:27] Adam: I believe it was chicken fajitas.
[0:10:27 – 0:10:28] Erik: That sounds good.
[0:10:28 – 0:10:30] Adam: He wasn’t pleased with those, though.
[0:10:30 – 0:10:32] Adam: I think he was going to make some tweaks on that.
[0:10:32 – 0:10:38] Adam: He did do jalapeno poppers, essentially, in a biter format.
[0:10:39 – 0:10:43] Adam: He did, of course, bless my brother’s heart, he did the FaZe Clan.
[0:10:44 – 0:10:46] Adam: And he said that was the best one, but it was messy.
[0:10:46 – 0:10:47] Erik: What do you mean?
[0:10:47 – 0:10:48] Erik: He did the FaZe Clan.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:49] Adam: Buffalo Chicken.
[0:10:49 – 0:10:51] Erik: He made his own Buffalo Chicken?
[0:10:51 – 0:10:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:10:51 – 0:10:51] Adam: Sure.
[0:10:52 – 0:10:52] Adam: Nice.
[0:10:52 – 0:10:53] Adam: But he called it FaZe Clan.
[0:10:53 – 0:10:54] Adam: He’s a connoisseur of the show.
[0:10:55 – 0:10:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:10:55 – 0:11:00] Erik: No, I love this at-home, his own extracurricular tumblehome experimentation.
[0:11:00 – 0:11:00] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:11:00 – 0:11:04] Erik: He probably doesn’t have access to a low enough grade like…
[0:11:05 – 0:11:11] Erik: emulsifying oil to make the commensurate biter cheese.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:28] Erik: If you want to go and you want to elevate a biter, it’s a delicate balance you have to strike where, yes, I want this to be better and taste good, but there’s something about that coagulating cheesy oil that’s a hard one to hit.
[0:11:29 – 0:11:34] Erik: while being elevated, but still providing that, like, biter satiation.
[0:11:34 – 0:11:43] Adam: For the Faeus clan, he said he used cream cheese, plus, I think, some shred and buffalo chicken, but then he also put the blue cheese dressing in it.
[0:11:44 – 0:11:49] Adam: And he said they’re a huge mess, so I was like, maybe we try that again, but keep the blue cheese on the side.
[0:11:50 – 0:11:50] Erik: Blue cheese for dipping.
[0:11:50 – 0:11:52] Adam: Yeah, there we go.
[0:11:52 – 0:11:54] Erik: That sounds… Yeah, I mean, it’s basically like…
[0:11:55 – 0:12:03] Erik: You just make like your classic, you know, I’m no holds barred Christmas party buffalo chicken dip.
[0:12:03 – 0:12:04] Erik: You just shove that into a blender.
[0:12:04 – 0:12:05] Erik: That’s what I’m thinking, yeah.
[0:12:06 – 0:12:07] Adam: Maybe add some jalapenos to that.
[0:12:08 – 0:12:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:12:08 – 0:12:09] Erik: I mean, the sky’s the limit.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:12] Adam: He said the biscuits and gravy one, he said it didn’t turn out great.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:17] Adam: And then I had earlier suggested maybe we put eggs in there, and he was like scoffed at that idea.
[0:12:17 – 0:12:23] Adam: And then he said that just the biscuits and gravy and sausage was inside of a wrapper.
[0:12:23 – 0:12:25] Adam: It’s like it was too dry.
[0:12:25 – 0:12:26] Adam: He’s like, I think maybe it needed some eggs.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:27] Adam: Too dry.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:28] Adam: I said, that’s a good idea.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:29] Erik: Maybe like – Some eggs.
[0:12:30 – 0:12:31] Erik: Yeah, maybe like a – Some scrambies.
[0:12:32 – 0:12:33] Erik: Like a yolk sauce for dipping.
[0:12:33 – 0:12:33] Erik: Oh, true.
[0:12:34 – 0:13:00] Adam: like a hollandaise yolk butter yolk sauce butter gravy aka hollandaise that’s coming out of that pinky finger still to this day still to this day just a constant drip there’s a gasket loose or something uh you’ll be proud of me though for every time you ask me to guess what’s in the biter i every single time guess spaghettios oh none of them were spaghettios so my idea has not been attempted yet
[0:13:01 – 0:13:01] Adam: Yet.
[0:13:02 – 0:13:03] Erik: Yet.
[0:13:03 – 0:13:05] Erik: Again, talk about delicate balance.
[0:13:05 – 0:13:06] Adam: That one’s a really delicate balance.
[0:13:06 – 0:13:09] Erik: Not too much sauce, not too much noodle.
[0:13:09 – 0:13:10] Erik: Some parmesan.
[0:13:10 – 0:13:11] Erik: Some parm.
[0:13:12 – 0:13:13] Adam: Grated parmesan.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:14] Erik: A surprise meatball.
[0:13:15 – 0:13:19] Adam: Talking about all these culinary delights is getting me quite thirsty, even though it is the morning time.
[0:13:20 – 0:13:26] Adam: I have the day off, and I’m probably just going to do some light cleaning and yard work between the show and Andrew’s arrival.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:29] Adam: So I’m going to pop into these.
[0:13:29 – 0:13:31] Adam: I’ve got a two-pack in a co-op bag.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:32] Adam: It just says my name on it.
[0:13:33 – 0:13:35] Adam: This one was on the board as co-op two-pack.
[0:13:37 – 0:13:37] Adam: August 12th.
[0:13:37 – 0:13:38] Adam: Are you ready?
[0:13:38 – 0:13:39] Erik: August 12th.
[0:13:39 – 0:13:39] Erik: I am ready.
[0:13:39 – 0:13:41] Adam: We’ve got a note.
[0:13:42 – 0:13:44] Erik: On the back of a receipt.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:44] Erik: A receipt.
[0:13:46 – 0:13:49] Adam: Adam, going to Brule August 13th.
[0:13:49 – 0:13:50] Adam: Dominic and Courtney.
[0:13:51 – 0:13:51] Erik: All right.
[0:13:51 – 0:13:52] Adam: Thank you.
[0:13:53 – 0:13:54] Adam: Thank you, Dominic and Courtney.
[0:13:54 – 0:13:55] Adam: I hope you enjoyed Bruleye.
[0:13:55 – 0:13:56] Adam: Bruleye.
[0:13:56 – 0:13:58] Erik: I guess he’s insane.
[0:13:58 – 0:14:00] Erik: I guess you would call it.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:04] Erik: This is a blueberry basil hard seltzer from Blacklist.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:05] Erik: What do you got?
[0:14:06 – 0:14:10] Adam: A northern sweet tea, raspberry lemon iced tea from Blacklist.
[0:14:10 – 0:14:10] Erik: Hmm.
[0:14:11 – 0:14:34] Erik: well i mean these are probably oh you got uh yours is that’s a thc what’s yours i think this doesn’t have thc no i think this this one has alcohol in it what yeah well maybe we should trade you want to trade yeah probably these feel very cold these were in the door of the mini fridge i see yeah these feel very cold it’s probably basil and blueberry huh
[0:14:34 – 0:14:36] Erik: It’s a pretty good morning.
[0:14:36 – 0:14:37] Adam: Oh, it’s a hard seltzer.
[0:14:38 – 0:14:39] Erik: Morning option.
[0:14:39 – 0:14:39] Adam: I see it.
[0:14:39 – 0:14:41] Adam: Yeah, that sounds pretty good.
[0:14:41 – 0:14:43] Adam: I still have like a mug of coffee here.
[0:14:43 – 0:14:45] Adam: So I don’t know how that’s going to go with my coffee.
[0:14:45 – 0:14:47] Adam: Yeah, seltzer and coffee.
[0:14:47 – 0:14:48] Adam: I’ll just set the coffee aside.
[0:14:48 – 0:14:49] Adam: I think I only have 5%.
[0:14:50 – 0:14:51] Adam: That’s a beautiful morning option.
[0:14:51 – 0:14:53] Erik: Not a great mixer, but you know.
[0:14:54 – 0:15:06] Adam: We are, of course, today talking about Canoeing with the Cree, and then afterwards recording a Tumble Home Cinema Classics episode on Cape Fear 1991.
[0:15:07 – 0:15:13] Adam: So we’re looking at the whiteboard, and we got a little bit of a recording session here today.
[0:15:13 – 0:15:15] Adam: We decided we’re going to open two art supplies today.
[0:15:15 – 0:15:24] Adam: So to be kind for Hopalicious, we’re going to open up the second one right away and we’ll let you guys know what we think.
[0:15:25 – 0:15:26] Adam: Yes.
[0:15:28 – 0:15:29] Adam: It’s too nice of a day.
[0:15:29 – 0:15:30] Erik: Too nice of a day for one.
[0:15:30 – 0:15:31] Erik: For just one.
[0:15:31 – 0:15:33] Erik: We’re in here for the long haul.
[0:15:34 – 0:15:38] Adam: All right, the next art supply sponsors came in on the next day, too.
[0:15:38 – 0:15:39] Adam: See, these came in together.
[0:15:39 – 0:15:40] Erik: It was meant to be.
[0:15:41 – 0:15:45] Adam: They’re like sister supplies.
[0:15:45 – 0:15:46] Erik: Sister supplies.
[0:15:46 – 0:15:47] Adam: There’s a shipping term for you.
[0:15:48 – 0:15:52] Adam: These came in on August 13th, the next day, and it was just labeled as Mystery Black Pack.
[0:15:52 – 0:16:18] Adam: wow and also i was moving it out of the door to get at this one too and it felt like there’s some ice or something in there so i don’t know i did get below freezing a couple nights ago like pretty far below freezing i haven’t pulled the weather data but it looks like one of these may have had a rupture event and so we put it we had to pull it out to investigate also so we’re opening them up but they look like they’re gonna be okay this is like a shuttle map uh
[0:16:20 – 0:16:22] Adam: Superior… What’s going on here?
[0:16:23 – 0:16:24] Adam: This is like a…
[0:16:25 – 0:16:27] Adam: It looks like an SHT manifest here.
[0:16:27 – 0:16:28] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:16:28 – 0:16:29] Erik: Northern Terminus.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:31] Adam: It’s got some notes and phone numbers listed on here too.
[0:16:32 – 0:16:34] Erik: It looks like it was maybe handwritten on the trail.
[0:16:35 – 0:16:36] Adam: All right, I’m going to read this note here.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:47] Adam: Eric and Adam, I intended to deliver this on the ride up to my southbound hike on the SHT.
[0:16:48 – 0:16:52] Adam: My shuttle driver was running behind, and she did not want to stop at the co-op for delivery.
[0:16:52 – 0:16:52] Adam: Harriet?
[0:16:53 – 0:16:53] Adam: Sounds like Harriet.
[0:16:54 – 0:16:59] Adam: Would love to talk in person, but I want to get to Bally Creek Pond before dark, and I need to start walking again.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:02] Adam: I hope you find the art supplies satisfactory.
[0:17:02 – 0:17:05] Adam: I’ve carried these damn cans for the past 50 miles.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:05] Adam: Wow.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:06] Erik: You were hiking with them?
[0:17:06 – 0:17:08] Adam: Hiking with the art supplies?
[0:17:08 – 0:17:09] Adam: I don’t get how all that works.
[0:17:11 – 0:17:13] Adam: Enjoy paddling Road Ridge 1865.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:13] Adam: 1865.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:16] Adam: Thank you, Road Rage.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:21] Adam: And don’t worry, as I said, they’re all in satisfactory condition.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:23] Erik: They’re not frozen and bulging.
[0:17:23 – 0:17:24] Adam: They’re standing upright in the door.
[0:17:24 – 0:17:30] Adam: So what we got going on here is a couple high seltzers, THC infused.
[0:17:30 – 0:17:31] Adam: We got a wild berry and a real cherry.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:35] Adam: It looks like the real cherry just suffered a minor breach in the top hull.
[0:17:35 – 0:17:37] Erik: Yeah, that one might be compromised.
[0:17:37 – 0:17:40] Adam: That one’s got a crack in the spar deck, but I think it’s going to be all right.
[0:17:41 – 0:17:43] Adam: And we did have a couple beautiful beers in there.
[0:17:43 – 0:17:49] Adam: We had a Central Waters October Lager with a Canadian maple leaf icon on there.
[0:17:50 – 0:17:50] Adam: Oh, beautiful.
[0:17:50 – 0:17:54] Adam: Central Waters is from Central Amherst, obviously.
[0:17:54 – 0:17:55] Adam: Yeah, obviously.
[0:17:55 – 0:18:00] Adam: I don’t know, but it’s a nice Oktoberfest lager with a Canadian-looking maple leaf on there.
[0:18:00 – 0:18:01] Adam: And then…
[0:18:02 – 0:18:04] Adam: We got a tall one from the brewing project here.
[0:18:05 – 0:18:06] Adam: A smoothie, Eric.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:07] Adam: Smoothie?
[0:18:07 – 0:18:11] Adam: That’s a sour ale brewed with raspberry, guava, and vanilla.
[0:18:12 – 0:18:12] Adam: Okay.
[0:18:12 – 0:18:13] Adam: That one sounds pretty good.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:14] Erik: I can feel that one.
[0:18:15 – 0:18:19] Erik: It feels thick in the mouth, those guava sours.
[0:18:19 – 0:18:23] Erik: They have like a viscosity to them.
[0:18:23 – 0:18:27] Adam: Are they thickened up by being hiked down the trail for 50 miles?
[0:18:27 – 0:18:37] Erik: Yeah, maybe it’s kind of like the Akavit that needs to travel over the equator twice in the back of an old schooner.
[0:18:37 – 0:18:40] Adam: It’s got a roll on the tumble home of a schooner.
[0:18:40 – 0:18:42] Adam: Otherwise, it’s not Akavit.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:54] Erik: Yeah, I think my tactic of going back and re-listening to random, really old episodes and then bringing some of those comments to the forefront.
[0:18:54 – 0:18:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:18:56 – 0:18:58] Adam: I remember that conversation, though.
[0:18:58 – 0:19:02] Erik: Is a practice that might continue on into the future.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:03] Erik: Flashbacks.
[0:19:04 – 0:19:04] Adam: Flashbacks.
[0:19:05 – 0:19:28] Erik: flashback flash from the past man oh man some of the names we were reading comments i was uh listening to the boat show episode zero two nine uh-huh it’s boat show time uh we were boat show fully started off reading like a lot of comments from facebook yeah those were the days and then we facebook era was real strong
[0:19:28 – 0:19:37] Erik: We did move into Reddit comments, and I only recognized two comments from folks that are still commenting.
[0:19:37 – 0:19:46] Erik: So either we’ve completely driven them off, all the other responders, or I don’t know.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:48] Erik: I don’t know what the explanation is.
[0:19:48 – 0:19:49] Adam: New people are coming in.
[0:19:50 – 0:19:52] Erik: I think all it means is we need to do another boat show.
[0:19:53 – 0:19:54] Adam: I think you’re right.
[0:19:54 – 0:19:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:19:54 – 0:20:03] Adam: We’re not going to read too far into that, the lack of the old listeners, but we have a lot of new listeners who weren’t around during the first boat show.
[0:20:03 – 0:20:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:03 – 0:20:04] Adam: And we got to find out.
[0:20:04 – 0:20:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:05 – 0:20:06] Adam: What kind of boat you got.
[0:20:06 – 0:20:08] Erik: Where are you, Rojo Ryder?
[0:20:08 – 0:20:09] Erik: How about Robobular?
[0:20:10 – 0:20:10] Erik: Where are you?
[0:20:11 – 0:20:13] Erik: He was the top commenter from the boat show.
[0:20:13 – 0:20:15] Erik: Ten upvotes for Robobular.
[0:20:15 – 0:20:18] Erik: Spent a long time trying to figure out how to pronounce it.
[0:20:18 – 0:20:20] Erik: We settled on Robobular.
[0:20:20 – 0:20:26] Adam: I’m going to go ahead and say that a lot of people wised up and just deleted the Reddit app.
[0:20:27 – 0:20:37] Erik: They just wised up and maybe they deleted their burner accounts because they were so satisfied with our podcasting prowess that they were like, I need to make a real account that I will be proud of.
[0:20:37 – 0:20:37] Erik: Maybe that’s what happened.
[0:20:38 – 0:20:39] Erik: Having mentioned.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:40] Erik: There we go.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:49] Erik: So we’ll maybe find out if when we do another boat show, maybe some people will come clean and say, yes, that was in fact a burner account.
[0:20:49 – 0:20:51] Erik: I am now a proud independent person.
[0:20:54 – 0:20:54] Erik: Fill in the blank.
[0:20:55 – 0:20:55] Erik: I did.
[0:20:56 – 0:20:56] Erik: Cheers.
[0:20:57 – 0:20:57] Erik: Yeah, sorry.
[0:20:58 – 0:20:59] Erik: I’m in.
[0:21:00 – 0:21:00] Adam: Blacklist.
[0:21:00 – 0:21:01] Erik: Sweet tea.
[0:21:02 – 0:21:03] Erik: Northern sweet tea.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:04] Adam: Thank you, Dominic and Courtney.
[0:21:07 – 0:21:08] Erik: Yeah, that was back in the days.
[0:21:08 – 0:21:09] Erik: Happy paddling.
[0:21:09 – 0:21:10] Erik: Happy paddling.
[0:21:10 – 0:21:14] Erik: Back in the days when we were still providing our own sponsors.
[0:21:14 – 0:21:15] Adam: Yeah, sure.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:16] Erik: I went to the liquor store.
[0:21:16 – 0:21:19] Adam: People forget that we’re still the number one art supply supplier.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:20] Erik: We are.
[0:21:21 – 0:21:27] Erik: And yeah, I went to the liquor store back when the old liquor store used to be where it was.
[0:21:27 – 0:21:30] Erik: And I was like, I’m just going to find something with a boat on it.
[0:21:30 – 0:21:32] Erik: And I settled on a bottle of…
[0:21:33 – 0:21:59] Erik: uh aquavit that we mispronounced horribly throughout the entire show that’s great and uh then talked about this was also the early days of even getting anything close to a sponsorship somebody did drop something off at clearwater and it was uh it was so mysterious to me at the time and it was so funny to listen to because i’m like that’s all the sponsorships were and ended up becoming was just like these mysterious like beer would just show up
[0:21:59 – 0:21:59] Adam: Right.
[0:21:59 – 0:22:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:02] Adam: Not a lot of people getting their shout outs in the early days.
[0:22:02 – 0:22:02] Erik: No.
[0:22:03 – 0:22:04] Adam: And that’s all right.
[0:22:04 – 0:22:07] Adam: Some people want to anonymously donate to the show.
[0:22:07 – 0:22:08] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:09 – 0:22:10] Adam: Yeah, wild.
[0:22:11 – 0:22:11] Adam: I agree.
[0:22:11 – 0:22:15] Adam: I listened back on those Frost River episodes from way back in the teens or whatever.
[0:22:16 – 0:22:20] Adam: Yeah, it’s always funny, the little things you pick up on, like re-listening to the olden shows.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:24] Erik: Yeah, some of the things that are still around, some of the things that we’ve completely abandoned.
[0:22:24 – 0:22:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:25 – 0:22:27] Erik: I think there’s a general sense of…
[0:22:29 – 0:22:32] Erik: I don’t know what it was, but there’s just like a…
[0:22:34 – 0:22:42] Erik: Maybe it was because we were so closely tied with it being like a Clearwater thing that I feel like it was somewhat restrained.
[0:22:43 – 0:22:48] Erik: Like in terms of like the jokes or the extracurricular comments.
[0:22:48 – 0:22:51] Erik: Not that we’re like wild and like off the cuff now.
[0:22:51 – 0:22:52] Erik: But, you know, like there’s…
[0:22:52 – 0:22:55] Erik: I’m not… We’re not sponsored by anybody but ourselves.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:58] Erik: But, you know, back in those days, you know, it was like, well, I don’t want…
[0:22:58 – 0:23:00] Erik: I don’t want to give a bad name to…
[0:23:01 – 0:23:30] Erik: this place that is kind of the sponsor as it were and for a long time we started every show by saying sponsored by clearwater outfords if i could go back and bleep out all those no i wouldn’t moon bleep them they’re fine uh when we re-release the director’s cuts yes we can unbleep them again when we have our version yeah uh well you know i don’t mind that was the affiliation i think that’s a great part that’s like a great part of the story at tumble home
[0:23:30 – 0:23:31] Erik: Yeah, it’s all the story.
[0:23:31 – 0:23:43] Erik: I’m sure in six more years, I’ll listen back to, I’ll be, I have no idea where I’ll be, but I will be listening back to this episode and I’ll be like, man, maybe we should do.
[0:23:44 – 0:23:45] Erik: Another boat show.
[0:23:45 – 0:23:47] Adam: Canoeing with a third boat show.
[0:23:47 – 0:23:49] Erik: I think we got to do the boat show again.
[0:23:49 – 0:23:50] Adam: It’s been six years.
[0:23:50 – 0:23:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:53] Erik: Lots of mouth.
[0:23:53 – 0:23:55] Erik: I don’t know with the mics.
[0:23:55 – 0:23:58] Erik: These have been the mics we’ve had since pretty much day one.
[0:23:58 – 0:24:00] Erik: I think we replaced one of them.
[0:24:00 – 0:24:05] Erik: But there’s a lot of like lots of mouth movement.
[0:24:05 – 0:24:06] Erik: What was going on?
[0:24:06 – 0:24:11] Erik: I don’t know why the mouth clacking and movement was being picked up so much.
[0:24:11 – 0:24:14] Erik: But I don’t notice that nearly as much anymore.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:14] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:16] Erik: We’re just professionals now.
[0:24:16 – 0:24:17] Erik: We’re definitely a little bit better, I would say.
[0:24:19 – 0:24:19] Erik: A little better.
[0:24:19 – 0:24:21] Adam: Yeah, a little bit better each day.
[0:24:21 – 0:24:23] Erik: Every six years, get a little better.
[0:24:23 – 0:24:26] Adam: That’s the key to podcasting, and just stick with it.
[0:24:27 – 0:24:29] Adam: Obviously, anybody can have a podcast.
[0:24:29 – 0:24:30] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:30 – 0:24:35] Adam: It’s not hard, but it is hard to stick with it, and you make little improvements along the way.
[0:24:35 – 0:24:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:38] Adam: I have notes now, for instance.
[0:24:38 – 0:24:38] Adam: You have notes.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:42] Adam: The thing is, some of the times you bring up these old conversations, or somebody will just like…
[0:24:43 – 0:25:10] Adam: randomly make a comment about something like that on the subreddit or the discord and at first you’re like what are they talking about uh because if you didn’t even notice this show is not scripted so even though we talked about a lot of things you don’t necessarily like always recall those immediately especially after like six years yeah or five years or whatever you know i don’t really i don’t have like a memorized script for tumble home and i certainly that’s why i always say we need a wikipedia just for tumble home
[0:25:10 – 0:25:29] Erik: oh yeah so you could easily go back and reference like where did we first talk about this or that um but yeah it’s always fun taking a trip down memory lane yeah and i feel like even more now that the boat show needs to for sure be uh reduxed but we’re not doing the boat show tonight no we’re gonna post it though
[0:25:30 – 0:25:31] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:25:31 – 0:25:32] Erik: Is that what we want to do?
[0:25:32 – 0:25:36] Erik: There’s a bunch of questions of the week slash year.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:38] Erik: We’re not getting to the question of the year yet.
[0:25:38 – 0:25:38] Erik: I think there’s time.
[0:25:38 – 0:25:45] Adam: I don’t know exactly is the best way to proceed, but I would think we want to get a thread going on the subreddit for boats.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:55] Erik: Do we want to do boat show and then leave the other discussed question for later?
[0:25:56 – 0:25:58] Adam: For like the end of the year question?
[0:25:58 – 0:25:59] Erik: Well, I don’t know.
[0:25:59 – 0:26:01] Erik: I feel like the end of the year question is kind of always its own.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:08] Erik: I also feel like there’s enough with the feast comment that you made that can be its own thing as well.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:09] Adam: Right on.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:13] Adam: So I think we got three big questions coming up for the fall season.
[0:26:14 – 0:26:16] Adam: Yeah, so just… Boat show number one, though, I would think.
[0:26:16 – 0:26:18] Erik: I think stay tuned on the subreddit.
[0:26:18 – 0:26:21] Erik: We’ll post the question of the week.
[0:26:22 – 0:26:26] Erik: It’s been a while since we’ve done a question of the week, and it’s about dang time.
[0:26:27 – 0:26:28] Erik: We get back to the boats, and…
[0:26:29 – 0:26:35] Erik: Yeah, I think we can probably fold in, because it is that time of year as well, boats.
[0:26:35 – 0:26:39] Erik: And if you do own your own, boat storage maybe.
[0:26:40 – 0:26:41] Erik: You know, what do you do with your boats in the off season?
[0:26:41 – 0:26:42] Adam: What do you do with the boats?
[0:26:42 – 0:26:44] Adam: Where do your boats live in the winter?
[0:26:44 – 0:26:44] Adam: Yeah.
[0:26:45 – 0:26:46] Adam: So, but…
[0:26:47 – 0:26:48] Erik: Yeah, we’ll leave that one up for a while.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:52] Erik: The subreddit, yes, always tumblehomecasts at gmail.com if you’d like.
[0:26:53 – 0:26:54] Erik: I still do check that.
[0:26:54 – 0:27:01] Erik: Not very many emails coming in as much, but we don’t really pump that nearly as much as we used to.
[0:27:01 – 0:27:09] Erik: So boat show and then stay tuned for a few more questions of the week and then always the end of the year question of the year.
[0:27:10 – 0:27:10] Erik: Hell yeah.
[0:27:10 – 0:27:22] Erik: We should think of, because we’ve been haikus in the past, maybe we’ll throw a little extra spice into the question of the year this year to get people thinking a little bit more interestingly, artistically.
[0:27:24 – 0:27:26] Adam: I like that, yeah.
[0:27:28 – 0:27:31] Adam: We are discussing the second half of Canoeing with the Creed at Night.
[0:27:31 – 0:27:37] Adam: I am currently working on another book that is boat-related as well.
[0:27:37 – 0:27:37] Adam: Boat-related?
[0:27:37 – 0:27:39] Adam: It’s a big boat?
[0:27:40 – 0:27:41] Adam: It’s a big boat book.
[0:27:42 – 0:27:42] Adam: Big boat book.
[0:27:43 – 0:27:43] Adam: Big boat book?
[0:27:44 – 0:27:47] Adam: I got one in the hopper for November for sure.
[0:27:47 – 0:27:47] Adam: Nice.
[0:27:47 – 0:27:48] Adam: The gales.
[0:27:48 – 0:27:52] Erik: It’s going to be a big, big month of big boats, big questions.
[0:27:53 – 0:27:54] Erik: Schumacher does it again.
[0:27:55 – 0:27:57] Adam: Cha-cha-cha-ho.
[0:27:58 – 0:28:01] Adam: Brittle Steel by Michael Schumacher.
[0:28:01 – 0:28:01] Adam: Wow.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:02] Adam: Brittle Steel.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:03] Adam: I wish it was called that.
[0:28:03 – 0:28:05] Adam: It’s definitely not.
[0:28:05 – 0:28:06] Adam: All right.
[0:28:06 – 0:28:10] Adam: Well, I’m going to give my blacklist blueberry – what is it?
[0:28:11 – 0:28:12] Adam: Hard seltzer.
[0:28:12 – 0:28:13] Adam: Blueberry basil.
[0:28:13 – 0:28:14] Adam: Blueberry and basil, yeah.
[0:28:15 – 0:28:18] Adam: I thought maybe it was blackberry at the last second.
[0:28:18 – 0:28:19] Adam: It’s really good.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:22] Adam: It’s the perfect thing for 11 in the morning.
[0:28:22 – 0:28:23] Erik: Quarter to noon.
[0:28:23 – 0:28:23] Erik: Mmm.
[0:28:25 – 0:28:26] Adam: You’re wearing shorts.
[0:28:26 – 0:28:27] Adam: I wish I was wearing shorts.
[0:28:27 – 0:28:28] Adam: It’s a beautiful day.
[0:28:28 – 0:28:31] Adam: I’ll definitely be down to shorts by this afternoon.
[0:28:31 – 0:28:37] Erik: I wouldn’t even have the long sleeve on, but the shed holds the residual night chill.
[0:28:40 – 0:28:45] Adam: I’m still wearing my full wool long underwear bottoms, which are only for sleeping.
[0:28:46 – 0:28:49] Adam: As soon as we get done with this show, though, I’m going to rip off my pants.
[0:28:49 – 0:28:50] Adam: That’s for sure.
[0:28:50 – 0:28:51] Adam: That’s a rock fact.
[0:28:51 – 0:28:52] Adam: Once and for all.
[0:28:52 – 0:28:53] Adam: Once and for all.
[0:28:55 – 0:28:59] Adam: All right, are you ready to start part two of Canoeing with the Cree?
[0:28:59 – 0:29:00] Adam: I think so.
[0:29:00 – 0:29:01] Adam: All-time classic canoe book.
[0:29:02 – 0:29:03] Adam: Is your paddle dipped in copper?
[0:29:04 – 0:29:04] Adam: Are you ready?
[0:29:05 – 0:29:07] Erik: Yeah, the cauldron is heating as we speak.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:08] Adam: How’s your thumb feeling?
[0:29:09 – 0:29:12] Adam: Riddled with fly eggs.
[0:29:12 – 0:29:13] Adam: What’s a boxing glove?
[0:29:14 – 0:29:17] Adam: Probably half our listeners are like, what the hell is a boxing glove?
[0:29:17 – 0:29:17] Adam: Boxing glove?
[0:29:17 – 0:29:18] Adam: Brown leather.
[0:29:18 – 0:29:19] Adam: Is that a sport?
[0:29:22 – 0:29:28] Adam: Get this, there’s a sport back in the day, kids, where men just punched each other with a piece of leather on their hand.
[0:29:28 – 0:29:33] Erik: Yeah, they just beat one another in the face while spectators looked on.
[0:29:33 – 0:29:34] Adam: No knees allowed.
[0:29:34 – 0:29:36] Adam: All right.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:40] Adam: I’m immediately lost here.
[0:29:40 – 0:29:43] Adam: I was going to say you have to pause so you can get your… Not again.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:44] Adam: This is ridiculous.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:44] Adam: Find the note.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:48] Erik: The boys are heading north out of Fargo.
[0:29:49 – 0:29:49] Erik: Fly bite.
[0:29:51 – 0:29:51] Erik: Went back.
[0:29:51 – 0:29:52] Erik: Oh, I know what’s going on.
[0:29:52 – 0:29:54] Erik: Healed it up after 10 days.
[0:29:54 – 0:29:55] Erik: Is that what I heard in the beginning?
[0:29:55 – 0:29:56] Erik: A 10-day wait?
[0:29:57 – 0:30:00] Adam: They’ve got the… 11 days they had to wait.
[0:30:00 – 0:30:02] Erik: They have the blessings of a local doctor.
[0:30:02 – 0:30:04] Adam: All right.
[0:30:06 – 0:30:07] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:30:07 – 0:30:08] Adam: What’s going on here?
[0:30:10 – 0:30:11] Adam: Okay, I got you.
[0:30:13 – 0:30:13] Adam: Yeah, so…
[0:30:15 – 0:30:18] Adam: But they’re on their way from Fargo heading towards Winnipeg.
[0:30:18 – 0:30:23] Adam: In the morning, we were in Pembina, North Dakota, one of the historic villages of the state.
[0:30:23 – 0:30:28] Adam: Here it was that a group of Scotchmen coming down from Hudson Bay in search of fur had settled.
[0:30:28 – 0:30:33] Adam: Advised that films would cost a few cents more across the line, we stocked up all we could need.
[0:30:34 – 0:30:39] Adam: Two miles on, we bribed a little child to take a snapshot of us in the act of crossing into the Canadiens.
[0:30:40 – 0:30:44] Adam: In the act of crossing into Canada.
[0:30:45 – 0:30:45] Erik: Wait, wait, wait.
[0:30:46 – 0:30:46] Erik: What were they buying?
[0:30:46 – 0:30:47] Erik: Film for the camera?
[0:30:47 – 0:30:48] Erik: Films.
[0:30:48 – 0:30:48] Adam: Okay.
[0:30:48 – 0:30:49] Adam: Yeah, but they call it films.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:51] Erik: They were going to be way more expensive in Canada?
[0:30:51 – 0:30:52] Erik: Wow.
[0:30:52 – 0:30:53] Adam: Not much has changed.
[0:30:53 – 0:30:54] Adam: Stocked up in Pembina.
[0:30:54 – 0:30:57] Adam: It’s a hot tip for anybody reproducing this trip.
[0:30:57 – 0:30:58] Adam: You’re going to stock up on the films.
[0:30:59 – 0:31:00] Erik: I mean, I think that’s going to be us in 2030.
[0:31:01 – 0:31:06] Adam: Two miles on, we bribed a little child to take a snapshot of us in the act of crossing into Canada.
[0:31:07 – 0:31:14] Adam: It was the 12th day of August, when Walt and I checked our outfit through the customs office in Emerson, Manitoba, and entered Canada.
[0:31:15 – 0:31:19] Adam: Since our start, June 17th, we had covered approximately 1,000 miles.
[0:31:19 – 0:31:27] Adam: Upon our formal entry, customs officials declared us to be the first ever to enter from the United States by canoe since that customs office had been established.
[0:31:28 – 0:31:30] Adam: Our appearance and meager outfit puzzled them.
[0:31:31 – 0:31:37] Adam: But we escaped trouble because we had secured a letter of introduction and explanation from the Canadian agent in Minneapolis.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:40] Adam: The Canadian agent.
[0:31:40 – 0:31:41] Erik: The Canadian agent.
[0:31:41 – 0:31:41] Erik: That’s nice.
[0:31:41 – 0:31:42] Erik: That’s a good thing to have.
[0:31:42 – 0:31:44] Erik: You always want a letter of intent.
[0:31:44 – 0:31:47] Adam: I always like to travel with a couple letters of recommendation.
[0:31:47 – 0:31:51] Erik: Where can we go to get a couple of those before our trip across the border in a few weeks?
[0:31:51 – 0:31:55] Adam: We better request a meeting with the mayor of Grand Marais.
[0:31:56 – 0:32:03] Erik: Yeah, I’m sure he’s got a connection to some Canadian consulate down in the cities that we could get a handwritten letter to.
[0:32:03 – 0:32:04] Adam: We could go higher up, maybe get the governor.
[0:32:04 – 0:32:09] Erik: It’s like a very official hall pass is what it kind of sounds like.
[0:32:10 – 0:32:12] Adam: Yeah, it’s probably got a stamp on it.
[0:32:12 – 0:32:13] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:32:13 – 0:32:14] Erik: Wax.
[0:32:14 – 0:32:14] Erik: Stamps.
[0:32:14 – 0:32:17] Adam: Governor Walls, if you’re listening, are you a tumble homie?
[0:32:17 – 0:32:22] Adam: Can you please send us a letter of approval and recommendation for our trip to Wapakimi?
[0:32:23 – 0:32:23] Erik: Yeah, I mean.
[0:32:23 – 0:32:24] Adam: That’d be great.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:29] Erik: I feel like he’s got enough time on his hands right now to be writing letters of intent for us.
[0:32:29 – 0:32:30] Adam: Get right on that.
[0:32:30 – 0:32:31] Adam: Coach.
[0:32:31 – 0:32:31] Adam: Coach.
[0:32:32 – 0:32:32] Adam: Please.
[0:32:32 – 0:32:32] Adam: Come on.
[0:32:34 – 0:32:37] Adam: We did not, however, get through without paying a deposit of $5.25 on our canoe.
[0:32:40 – 0:32:44] Adam: Which would be returned if we came back with the canoe, in quotes.
[0:32:44 – 0:32:46] Adam: And to pay a deposit on the canoe.
[0:32:46 – 0:32:49] Erik: The Canadians don’t want the canoes left behind in their country?
[0:32:50 – 0:32:53] Adam: Or is it that they don’t want them being resold on the market?
[0:32:54 – 0:32:55] Adam: Is this like a… Could be that.
[0:32:56 – 0:32:57] Adam: I’m not sure.
[0:32:57 – 0:32:58] Adam: $5, though.
[0:32:58 – 0:33:02] Adam: That’s a lot out of their $50 they had on them in traveler’s checks.
[0:33:02 – 0:33:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:02 – 0:33:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:04 – 0:33:08] Adam: Our little .22 caliber rifle they allowed us to take in, for which we were grateful.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:11] Adam: The canoe deposit represented one-fourth of the boat’s value.
[0:33:12 – 0:33:13] Adam: We named as low a figure as we dared.
[0:33:14 – 0:33:15] Adam: Oh, they cheated the system.
[0:33:15 – 0:33:27] Adam: As we walked with our paddles past a tourist car with Minneapolis license plate, it amused us very much to hear one of the small occupants exclaim in a guarded whisper to his mother, Gee, look at the Canadians.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:29] Adam: Maybe they’re trappers or something.
[0:33:30 – 0:33:31] Erik: Maybe do trappers or something.
[0:33:33 – 0:33:38] Adam: The inspector came down to the river, hardly bothered to look through our outfit, so engrossed as he was with the story of our trip.
[0:33:39 – 0:33:46] Adam: We took him upon his request for a short ride, at the end of which he was forced to go ashore upon the shoulders of Walt because of the mud.
[0:33:47 – 0:33:47] Adam: Because of the mud.
[0:33:48 – 0:33:48] Erik: Because of the mud?
[0:33:48 – 0:33:49] Erik: What was happening there?
[0:33:50 – 0:33:52] Adam: The shore of the river was so muddy at the station?
[0:33:54 – 0:33:57] Adam: You’d think they would have a dock at the customs station.
[0:33:57 – 0:34:00] Adam: No wonder no canoers are sneaking through in the night.
[0:34:00 – 0:34:01] Adam: No dock.
[0:34:01 – 0:34:01] Adam: Too muddy.
[0:34:01 – 0:34:02] Adam: Too muddy to stop.
[0:34:03 – 0:34:04] Adam: I mean, that makes sense, I guess.
[0:34:05 – 0:34:08] Adam: I like that Walt just gave the customs official a ride on his shoulders.
[0:34:08 – 0:34:09] Adam: That was a thing you could do.
[0:34:10 – 0:34:12] Adam: Imagine that would never happen in this day and age.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:13] Erik: No.
[0:34:14 – 0:34:18] Adam: By camp time, we had penetrated seven miles into the new country.
[0:34:19 – 0:34:24] Adam: We asked a girl sitting on the porch of a little farmhouse for water, and she said, in ze stable.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:25] Adam: We knew the people were French.
[0:34:26 – 0:34:26] Adam: God.
[0:34:27 – 0:34:32] Adam: I remember that in my French textbook as a child, the barn was always zistable.
[0:34:32 – 0:34:42] Adam: So to the boy of her own age there, I immediately tried out parlez-vous, nous sommes americains, I said, which seemed about the easiest.
[0:34:43 – 0:34:46] Adam: Oh, I see, he answered in perfect English as Walt kicked me in the shins.
[0:34:48 – 0:34:49] Adam: There we go.
[0:34:49 – 0:34:50] Erik: In the stable?
[0:34:50 – 0:34:51] Erik: In the stable.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:54] Erik: That sounds more like Swedish or Scandinavian.
[0:34:54 – 0:34:57] Adam: Oh, it’s just me trying to do a French.
[0:34:58 – 0:35:00] Adam: How would you say in the stable if you’re in French?
[0:35:00 – 0:35:01] Adam: I have no idea.
[0:35:01 – 0:35:02] Adam: French, I don’t know.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:03] Adam: In the stable?
[0:35:03 – 0:35:04] Adam: I don’t.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:10] Erik: There’s nothing about French that I could even come close to guessing in terms of what it would be.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:11] Erik: I’m sorry.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:12] Erik: That’s okay.
[0:35:13 – 0:35:14] Adam: In the shins.
[0:35:15 – 0:35:16] Adam: All right.
[0:35:17 – 0:35:19] Adam: Coming up next as we approach Winnipeg.
[0:35:20 – 0:35:20] Erik: Hold on now.
[0:35:20 – 0:35:21] Erik: What’s going on here?
[0:35:21 – 0:35:24] Erik: This is the Red River, correct?
[0:35:25 – 0:35:27] Adam: Yeah, they’re still on the Red River all the way into Lake Winnipeg.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:29] Adam: Into Lake Winnipeg, right?
[0:35:29 – 0:35:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:31 – 0:35:36] Adam: I got to switch back over because I was doing, I’m not going to really explain it, honestly.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:37] Adam: I’m just going to get to it.
[0:35:37 – 0:35:38] Adam: Here we go.
[0:35:38 – 0:35:40] Adam: We’re on the outskirts of Winnipeg now, though.
[0:35:40 – 0:35:42] Adam: They’ve been making their way from the border up there.
[0:35:42 – 0:35:43] Erik: Exciting.
[0:35:43 – 0:35:50] Adam: As we slid into the bank that night, we noticed a long, deep dent in the mud where another craft had stopped.
[0:35:50 – 0:35:56] Adam: After a minute’s examination, we knew it was a canoes, and we determined to catch the owners before we reached the city, if possible.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:57] Adam: Wow.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:57] Adam: Wow.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:57] Adam: Wow.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:57] Adam: Wow.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:21] Adam: Within 10 miles, we caught the travelers who had left their sign behind them.
[0:36:22 – 0:36:23] Adam: Two clean-looking athletic boys.
[0:36:23 – 0:36:26] Adam: They gave us full directions for locating ourselves in the city.
[0:36:27 – 0:36:31] Adam: With their names as references, we were to stop at the Canoe Club.
[0:36:31 – 0:36:33] Erik: It’s always good to have a reference.
[0:36:34 – 0:36:37] Adam: Within the city limits, coasting along through park-like surroundings.
[0:36:38 – 0:36:40] Adam: Yeah, this trip’s all about connections.
[0:36:40 – 0:36:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:40 – 0:36:41] Adam: And networking.
[0:36:42 – 0:36:44] Adam: I would never have thought of it in that way.
[0:36:45 – 0:36:49] Adam: Within the city limits, a man yelled from a diving float, where are you bound for?
[0:36:50 – 0:36:53] Adam: And when we had shouted the answer, he came back, you’re crazy.
[0:36:53 – 0:36:55] Adam: It’ll be frozen up there before you get there.
[0:36:56 – 0:37:03] Adam: At the beautiful, spacious Canoe Club, we are taken right into the family of more than a thousand members.
[0:37:03 – 0:37:04] Adam: Geez.
[0:37:04 – 0:37:05] Adam: Sam Southern.
[0:37:05 – 0:37:05] Adam: They were all there?
[0:37:05 – 0:37:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:37:06 – 0:37:09] Adam: They’re all waiting for them due to the recommendation.
[0:37:09 – 0:37:10] Erik: I guess.
[0:37:10 – 0:37:11] Erik: They knew that they were coming.
[0:37:12 – 0:37:23] Adam: Sam Southern, the skipper, we found to be very hospitable, caretaker, canoe builder, and repairer, as well as unofficial father of all troubles and fount of all wisdom about the place.
[0:37:24 – 0:37:30] Adam: He immediately took charge of us, fixed up our boat on a suitable rack, and granted permission for us to camp beside the club.
[0:37:30 – 0:37:40] Adam: In another tent alongside ours was Tim, the Winnipeg movie censor, who seemed to take an interest in us and drove us to downtown on more than one occasion.
[0:37:40 – 0:37:41] Adam: Wow.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:48] Adam: Sam showed us all the different types of canoes and paddles, which made our equipment look sick, although we refused to admit it.
[0:37:49 – 0:37:50] Erik: Sick in a bad way?
[0:37:50 – 0:37:50] Adam: Yeah.
[0:37:50 – 0:37:50] Erik: Okay.
[0:37:51 – 0:38:01] Adam: There were war canoes, which contained 14 men, Peterboroughs, Sunnysides, old towns like ours, and chestnut freighters.
[0:38:01 – 0:38:03] Adam: These are all different canoes?
[0:38:04 – 0:38:04] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:05] SPEAKER_01: Chestnut freighters.
[0:38:05 – 0:38:07] Erik: I need a chestnut freighter for my quiver.
[0:38:07 – 0:38:10] Adam: According to this, they were paddling an old town.
[0:38:10 – 0:38:13] Adam: The San Susi was an old town like ours.
[0:38:13 – 0:38:14] Erik: American cruiser.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:19] Adam: I just posted this on Instagram picture app before you came over this morning.
[0:38:19 – 0:38:21] Adam: Here’s a portrait of the two lads.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:21] Adam: Oh, nice.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:22] Adam: 17-year-old.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:23] Adam: Those are them in high school?
[0:38:23 – 0:38:25] Adam: This is them as 17-year-olds wearing breeches.
[0:38:25 – 0:38:26] Erik: I don’t understand.
[0:38:26 – 0:38:31] Erik: How does that regularly happen where those look like 40-year-old men.
[0:38:32 – 0:38:32] Erik: Right.
[0:38:32 – 0:38:33] Erik: At least.
[0:38:34 – 0:38:35] Erik: My God.
[0:38:35 – 0:38:38] Erik: Was it just the- They look as old as I am.
[0:38:38 – 0:38:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:38:38 – 0:38:40] Adam: Was it just how- They maybe have better hair still.
[0:38:40 – 0:38:40] Erik: Trying.
[0:38:40 – 0:38:42] Erik: The times were that you just got aged.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:44] Erik: You got aged real fast.
[0:38:44 – 0:38:44] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:45 – 0:38:47] Erik: Those don’t look like high schoolers.
[0:38:48 – 0:38:49] Adam: No, they don’t.
[0:38:49 – 0:38:51] Adam: They look like men going off to war.
[0:38:51 – 0:39:00] Erik: Yeah, no, they look like they are just ready to get on a U-boat.
[0:39:01 – 0:39:02] Erik: Maybe it’s the wool.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:03] Erik: Maybe it’s the black and white.
[0:39:03 – 0:39:03] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:39:04 – 0:39:05] Erik: They look fully aged.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:10] Adam: Well, you know, they’re strapping.
[0:39:10 – 0:39:11] Adam: They’re strapping.
[0:39:11 – 0:39:12] Erik: They’re strapping.
[0:39:12 – 0:39:14] Erik: What was the father of troubles?
[0:39:15 – 0:39:17] Erik: Was that also a term that you used?
[0:39:17 – 0:39:18] Erik: What was that guy?
[0:39:18 – 0:39:20] Erik: That just mean he took care of all the issues?
[0:39:20 – 0:39:21] Erik: Yeah, he’s the skipper.
[0:39:21 – 0:39:24] Adam: He’s the skipper of the Winnipeg Canoe Club.
[0:39:24 – 0:39:25] Adam: It has over a thousand members.
[0:39:26 – 0:39:27] Adam: And I think it’s still a thing to this day.
[0:39:28 – 0:39:32] Adam: I tried to look up some information on it, but mainly I just wanted to like find that passage again.
[0:39:32 – 0:39:33] Adam: Cause all right.
[0:39:33 – 0:39:38] Adam: I had the book in, I had a paper copy of it and all my original notes are out of that.
[0:39:38 – 0:39:42] Adam: But then this morning I was thinking about that Winnipeg canoe club again.
[0:39:42 – 0:39:45] Adam: And that knowing that’s kind of where the start of today’s episode was going to be.
[0:39:46 – 0:39:48] Adam: I wanted a little bit more information on that.
[0:39:48 – 0:39:51] Adam: I want, I remember that section exactly what I just read and,
[0:39:51 – 0:39:53] Adam: And I just wanted that text.
[0:39:53 – 0:39:56] Adam: And actually, the book is available as a PDF on the Library of Congress.
[0:39:56 – 0:40:01] Adam: So if anybody just wants to read it for free on their phone, it’s available.
[0:40:02 – 0:40:03] Adam: So I went and found that.
[0:40:03 – 0:40:07] Adam: It was like page 78 on the PDF copy, at least.
[0:40:07 – 0:40:09] Adam: So yeah, the Winnipeg Canoe Club.
[0:40:09 – 0:40:12] Adam: And I liked all the war canoe, the Peterborough.
[0:40:12 – 0:40:13] Adam: What’s a Peterborough?
[0:40:13 – 0:40:14] Erik: Yeah, who knows?
[0:40:14 – 0:40:16] Erik: The father of troubles, though.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:17] Adam: The father of troubles.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:17] Erik: It’s a great term.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:20] Adam: Yeah, I know.
[0:40:21 – 0:40:24] Adam: Yeah, like the titles that they give to people throughout this book are pretty funny.
[0:40:25 – 0:40:28] Adam: Like up at the forts, man, there’s…
[0:40:30 – 0:40:38] Adam: The head of the fort, it’s York Factory is where they’re trying to end the trip.
[0:40:38 – 0:40:39] Adam: That’s the end of the line.
[0:40:39 – 0:40:41] Adam: That’s when they reach Hudson’s Bay.
[0:40:41 – 0:40:42] Adam: It’s at York Factory.
[0:40:42 – 0:40:45] Adam: But the person in charge of York Factory is named the Factor.
[0:40:46 – 0:40:47] Erik: The factor.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:47] Erik: Oh, my God.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:48] Erik: That’s great.
[0:40:48 – 0:40:48] Erik: The factor.
[0:40:48 – 0:40:49] Erik: The factor.
[0:40:49 – 0:40:50] Erik: The factor.
[0:40:50 – 0:40:51] Erik: Of the factory.
[0:40:51 – 0:40:52] Erik: Of the factory.
[0:40:52 – 0:40:52] Adam: Yeah.
[0:40:52 – 0:40:53] Erik: There’s also no factory there?
[0:40:54 – 0:40:55] Adam: I like… Like, that’s…
[0:40:55 – 0:40:56] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:40:56 – 0:40:56] Adam: When I was…
[0:40:56 – 0:40:57] Adam: It’s like a forge, maybe?
[0:40:58 – 0:40:58] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:40:58 – 0:40:59] Adam: Maybe.
[0:40:59 – 0:41:00] Adam: I doubt it.
[0:41:00 – 0:41:03] Adam: It’s just like… Like, repairs for steamships?
[0:41:03 – 0:41:04] Adam: I don’t know what’s going on up there.
[0:41:04 – 0:41:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:05 – 0:41:13] Erik: It’s a couple of buildings that look, like, kind of relatively similar to the Coast Guard station that’s in the Grand Marais Harbor.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:14] Erik: It’s like all it is.
[0:41:15 – 0:41:15] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:41:15 – 0:41:45] Adam: just there it is on the coast there’s no factory here i was expecting a factory the factor lied to us the factor lied to us the father of all troubles i like how in some in the book i’m reading on the big boats too like captains of big lake freighters are referred to as the master oh yeah and uh i don’t know i think that’s a sailing term for all big boats tcc uh this winter maybe master and commander and commander fire the big guns it’s classic what’s the dude’s name which dude master and commander
[0:41:46 – 0:41:46] Erik: Cameron Crowe?
[0:41:47 – 0:41:47] Adam: No.
[0:41:47 – 0:41:48] Adam: Russell Crowe.
[0:41:48 – 0:41:49] Adam: Russell Crowe.
[0:41:49 – 0:41:49] Adam: Not Cameron.
[0:41:49 – 0:41:51] Adam: Fire them big guns, guy.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:53] Erik: Fire them big guns, guy.
[0:41:53 – 0:41:54] Adam: I believe that’s a direct quote.
[0:41:54 – 0:41:56] Adam: That’s a direct quote.
[0:41:57 – 0:41:57] Adam: All right.
[0:41:58 – 0:42:01] Adam: So, yeah, this route, I showed you the map last week.
[0:42:01 – 0:42:14] Adam: So, yeah, they basically went up the Red River and then, or I’m sorry, up the Minnesota River, over the Heideland, down the Red River, all the way to Lake Winnipeg, essentially, which they got to travel through Fargo and Winnipeg.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:21] Adam: Once they leave Winnipeg onto Lake Winnipeg, then it starts to get a little bit more lonely.
[0:42:21 – 0:42:27] Adam: Then once they leave the north end of Lake Winnipeg and start going down those rivers, that’s where they’re really paddling with the Cree.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:28] Erik: Nothing up there.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:30] Adam: There’s not a whole lot.
[0:42:31 – 0:42:37] Adam: Now they’re basically heading their way out onto Lake Winnipeg, which seems insane to me.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:41] Adam: They took an old-town canoe onto Lake Winnipeg.
[0:42:41 – 0:42:42] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:42:42 – 0:42:47] Erik: Tori did a trip in high school where they paddled Lake Winnipeg.
[0:42:47 – 0:42:51] Erik: And I think I’ve probably told this story on the podcast before or not.
[0:42:51 – 0:42:57] Erik: It’s not really a story, but literally it was so windy that they would paddle at night and sleep during the day.
[0:42:57 – 0:42:57] Erik: Sure.
[0:42:57 – 0:43:00] Erik: It was the only way to get any mileage.
[0:43:00 – 0:43:03] Erik: And it was just two weeks it took them to paddle at night.
[0:43:03 – 0:43:04] Adam: Right.
[0:43:04 – 0:43:14] Adam: I mean, these guys took four months to do this trip, and I don’t know if I have a figure for how long it took them on Lake Winnipeg, but as you’ll see, Lake Winnipeg threw a real curveball at them.
[0:43:14 – 0:43:17] Erik: I don’t know if I could, honestly, I don’t know if I could do that.
[0:43:17 – 0:43:19] Adam: No, I didn’t even like going out to Five Mile Rock.
[0:43:19 – 0:43:21] Adam: I had to do that like times 10 every day.
[0:43:22 – 0:43:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:43:22 – 0:43:23] Adam: I’d be nervous.
[0:43:23 – 0:43:24] Adam: My nerves would be shot.
[0:43:25 – 0:43:27] Adam: I’d have to paddle that kind of water in a canoe.
[0:43:27 – 0:43:53] Erik: yeah just like the mental i mean you know what it’s like coming down onto like a like a pine lake where you’re like well there’s the end you can’t even see the end on lake winnipeg you’re just like this is our life for uh weeks at least so they’re heading north on winnipeg on the eastern shore yeah and yeah it’s just there’s a bunch of bays though that you have to like well do we take the bay or do we like just go straight across to that next point yeah which is what they were doing
[0:43:54 – 0:43:58] Adam: I’m going to read here from the chapter entitled Ready for the Plunge.
[0:43:59 – 0:43:59] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:44:00 – 0:44:02] Adam: The chapter title is Severide.
[0:44:02 – 0:44:02] Adam: Amen.
[0:44:03 – 0:44:04] Adam: These are very good.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:05] Adam: Huzzah, huzzah.
[0:44:06 – 0:44:18] Adam: The feeling of immensity that overwhelmed me when I first gazed out on Lake Winnipeg returns to me every time I think of the moment when Walt and I paddled around a bend and for the first time saw the huge body of water we were about to traverse in a frail canoe.
[0:44:19 – 0:44:21] Adam: It may as well have been the Atlantic Ocean.
[0:44:22 – 0:44:28] Adam: My feeling was one of immediate emptiness in the pit of my stomach, and I have a sneaking hunch Walt’s impression was not much more optimistic.
[0:44:29 – 0:44:35] Adam: As far around as we could see stretched water and nothing but water, more water than either of us had ever seen at one time before.
[0:44:36 – 0:44:44] Adam: But it couldn’t be more than three or four hundred miles up to the other end around the east shoreline, and miles were miles on river or lake.
[0:44:45 – 0:44:50] Adam: A warning about the lake that came to us even before we left Minneapolis returned to me.
[0:44:51 – 0:44:55] Adam: It was from a nationally known authority on canoe travel to whom I had written for advice.
[0:44:55 – 0:45:05] Adam: He answered my letter saying it would be foolhardy to attempt to navigate the shores of Lake Winnipeg in a canoe because we would be laid up for weeks at a time in bad weather.
[0:45:06 – 0:45:15] Adam: With the ready permissions of the lighthouse keeper, who smiled grimly at our plan of navigating the lake in our little craft, we took several pictures from the top of the lighthouse.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:18] Adam: From the summit, we could see more water than ever.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:24] Adam: The keeper, a crippled Canadian war veteran, scoffed at our ideas and finally compromised with us.
[0:45:24 – 0:45:31] Adam: “‘Well, you might make it, but none of them canoe club fellers ever done it, far as I know.’
[0:45:32 – 0:45:35] Adam: He had spent years beside the lake, and it was his god.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:42] Adam: He seemed to resent the idea of anything smaller than a hundred-foot steamship audaciously attempting to sail out upon its broad surface.
[0:45:42 – 0:45:46] Adam: “‘As we are about to embark,’ he said, scrutinizing the dull skies.
[0:45:46 – 0:45:48] Adam: “‘Well, boys, I don’t know.
[0:45:49 – 0:45:51] Adam: I don’t like the looks of that mackerel sky.
[0:45:52 – 0:45:53] Adam: Maybe you better hold over a day or so.'”
[0:45:55 – 0:45:56] Adam: We thanked him, but shoved out.
[0:45:56 – 0:46:04] Adam: We didn’t tell him that the men in Winnipeg had warned us of his lonely life and consequently his love of company at any expense.
[0:46:04 – 0:46:06] Erik: Yeah, you probably should just hang out for the winter here, boys.
[0:46:07 – 0:46:09] Adam: Surely you like me lobster.
[0:46:09 – 0:46:11] Erik: It’s a mackerel sky.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:12] Erik: Look at that mackerel sky.
[0:46:12 – 0:46:14] Adam: I don’t like the looks of that there mackerel sky.
[0:46:15 – 0:46:21] Adam: With the keeper’s warnings ebbing slowly out of our minds, we navigated straight out a quarter of a mile until we were around a long cribbing.
[0:46:22 – 0:46:27] Adam: Then, at an angle to the shore, we headed out into the vastness of Lake Winnipeg.
[0:46:28 – 0:46:33] Erik: Yeah, I would say vast is an understatement, but yeah, my God.
[0:46:35 – 0:46:41] Adam: This whole section made me squeamish and nervous the whole time I was reading it.
[0:46:41 – 0:46:42] Adam: I didn’t like this part of the book at all.
[0:46:43 – 0:46:45] Erik: Yeah, no, I have no interest.
[0:46:45 – 0:46:50] Erik: I have about as much interest as paddling the length of Lake Winnipeg as I do through hiking the SHT.
[0:46:51 – 0:46:52] Erik: There’s nothing there.
[0:46:53 – 0:46:55] Adam: I think I’d much rather do the SHT.
[0:46:55 – 0:46:57] Adam: Actually, I do want to do the SHT.
[0:46:58 – 0:46:59] Adam: Good for you.
[0:46:59 – 0:47:06] Adam: I love hiking with packs of beer on my back for this podcast I listen to.
[0:47:06 – 0:47:09] Adam: Yeah, I mean, I think… Or deliver them if my delivery driver will help me.
[0:47:09 – 0:47:15] Erik: In both scenarios, the main reason to do it is to then afterwards be able to say you’ve done it.
[0:47:15 – 0:47:18] Erik: I don’t think that there’s, I mean, yeah, sure, you’re out in nature and it’s beautiful.
[0:47:19 – 0:47:25] Erik: But for the most part, it’s going to be a slog and I’m going to be actively aware of what I’m doing.
[0:47:26 – 0:47:31] Erik: And I think for the most part, the whole experience would suck.
[0:47:31 – 0:47:32] Adam: No, the beauty.
[0:47:32 – 0:47:33] Adam: The beauty.
[0:47:33 – 0:47:34] Adam: You got to just take your time.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:36] Adam: Always in such a hurry.
[0:47:37 – 0:47:37] Erik: That’s true.
[0:47:37 – 0:47:43] Erik: I mean, but still, I don’t know, like weeks and weeks of just paddling into open water.
[0:47:44 – 0:47:45] Adam: Oh, I thought we were talking about the SHT.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:45] Adam: Both.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:46] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:47:48 – 0:47:51] Adam: I think every day on the SHT would be a treat and adventure.
[0:47:51 – 0:47:55] Adam: I think paddling Lake Winnipeg would be awful in a canoe.
[0:47:55 – 0:47:56] Adam: So I firmly come down on it.
[0:47:56 – 0:47:58] Adam: I’d much rather hike all.
[0:47:59 – 0:48:02] Adam: I’d do the Pacific Crest Trail, the Appalachian Trail, and the SHT.
[0:48:03 – 0:48:04] Adam: Not the North Country Trail, though.
[0:48:04 – 0:48:05] Adam: No, not the North Country Trail.
[0:48:05 – 0:48:08] Adam: But I’d do those three instead of by far, and I’d enjoy it.
[0:48:09 – 0:48:12] Adam: And I would hate every day of being on Lake Winnipeg in a canoe.
[0:48:12 – 0:48:12] Adam: No, thank you.
[0:48:13 – 0:48:14] Erik: Yeah, I mean, I think…
[0:48:14 – 0:48:14] Adam: It ate them up.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:16] Adam: It ate them up, and it almost killed them.
[0:48:16 – 0:48:17] Erik: I’m sure.
[0:48:17 – 0:48:20] Adam: They, like, had a couple crazy nights, like, camped on beaches, though.
[0:48:20 – 0:48:24] Adam: I mean, some of their, like, scenes from this are truly wonderful.
[0:48:24 – 0:48:30] Adam: But, yeah, all the paddling sequences as they make their way north are awful, and they actually had pretty good weather for the most part.
[0:48:31 – 0:48:35] Adam: This was in summertime, but, you know, it’s still a huge lake with these swells.
[0:48:35 – 0:48:37] Erik: And they’re on the east side of the lake, you know.
[0:48:37 – 0:48:41] Adam: Yeah, they’re going to just get peppered by wind, but it’s a more direct route if you look at a map.
[0:48:42 – 0:48:42] Erik: Oh, sure.
[0:48:42 – 0:48:45] Erik: I think the eastern shore is relatively straight shot.
[0:48:46 – 0:48:52] Adam: They talk about almost being dashed on reefs by huge waves, and it’s just like, ugh, it sounds awful.
[0:48:52 – 0:48:53] Adam: I can’t believe they survived.
[0:48:54 – 0:49:00] Erik: I mean, I guess the water is probably not like deadly cold in late October or late August.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:01] Adam: How deep is Lake Winnipeg?
[0:49:01 – 0:49:02] Adam: It’s probably pretty cold.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:02] Adam: 500 feet?
[0:49:03 – 0:49:05] Adam: Yeah, it’s still like a great lake, essentially.
[0:49:05 – 0:49:05] Erik: Pretty much.
[0:49:05 – 0:49:06] Erik: I mean, it’s on that…
[0:49:07 – 0:49:08] Erik: It is a great lake.
[0:49:08 – 0:49:11] Erik: …vein of lakes heading off in that direction.
[0:49:11 – 0:49:12] Erik: They just get bigger and…
[0:49:15 – 0:49:17] Erik: Canada’s got a lake issue.
[0:49:17 – 0:49:19] Erik: It’s a good issue, but they’ve got some lakes.
[0:49:20 – 0:49:23] Adam: I’m going to go back to the map here quick and just look at this.
[0:49:23 – 0:49:33] Adam: So they had multiple stops along the way just to get to Barrens River here, which is maybe a third of the way north.
[0:49:33 – 0:49:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:34 – 0:49:34] Adam: Maybe.
[0:49:35 – 0:49:42] Adam: And that’s about where the lake actually gets sort of wide, and they got basically stuck in Barrens River for a long time.
[0:49:43 – 0:49:50] Adam: And I’m not going to read anything from there, but they only paddled to Barron’s River, which is still insane to make it all the way up there in a canoe.
[0:49:50 – 0:49:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:51 – 0:49:57] Adam: And then they basically got trapped there, and they booked passage on a steamship called the Wolverine.
[0:49:57 – 0:49:57] Erik: Good.
[0:49:58 – 0:50:02] Adam: Yeah, and then they hopped down there, and the only good part about this whole section is the way they describe it.
[0:50:03 – 0:50:08] Adam: placing their canoe inside of another bigger boat and the mixed feelings they had about that.
[0:50:08 – 0:50:13] Adam: But then they got into their cabins, and it was nice and warm, and there was hot food included in their ticket.
[0:50:13 – 0:50:14] Erik: A boat in a boat.
[0:50:14 – 0:50:18] Adam: They had to negotiate to get on there, though, because they didn’t have quite enough money.
[0:50:18 – 0:50:23] Adam: They did, but they would have been out of money then, so they negotiated a 50% rate discount.
[0:50:24 – 0:50:28] Adam: Along the way, they had a lot of kindness, a lot of people doing them solid favors.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:30] Erik: I think that that would still hold true today.
[0:50:31 – 0:50:47] Erik: There’s not a lot of faith I have in humanity for a lot of reasons, but I feel like, especially in Canada, but I think anywhere, like wilderness travelers, whether it be on the water or on land, I feel like a lot of… People want to help a pilgrim.
[0:50:47 – 0:50:48] Erik: Yeah, totally.
[0:50:48 – 0:50:48] Erik: You’re a pilgrim.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:49] Erik: A traveler.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:50] Erik: Yeah.
[0:50:50 – 0:50:52] Erik: I was once a traveler myself.
[0:50:52 – 0:50:53] Adam: Yeah.
[0:50:53 – 0:50:56] Adam: I think they call that angels on a hiking trip.
[0:50:56 – 0:50:59] Adam: I don’t know if that counts for paddling trips, but we’ll say it does.
[0:51:00 – 0:51:03] Adam: They made it all the way up to Norway House on the steamship Wolverine.
[0:51:04 – 0:51:04] Adam: Norway House.
[0:51:04 – 0:51:07] Adam: And even that was like a couple, like it was more than a day.
[0:51:08 – 0:51:11] Adam: They were like traveling through the night on a steamship at one point.
[0:51:11 – 0:51:11] Adam: Jeez.
[0:51:11 – 0:51:14] Adam: It was a long journey from Barrens River up to Norway House.
[0:51:14 – 0:51:16] Adam: Yeah.
[0:51:17 – 0:51:24] Adam: Anyways, we’re going to pick the story back up when they’re leaving Norway House here, and I’ve got to go backwards and find that passage.
[0:51:24 – 0:51:26] Erik: When they get back in the canoe?
[0:51:29 – 0:51:32] Adam: Yeah, I’m on here.
[0:51:33 – 0:51:34] Adam: All right, so here we go.
[0:51:34 – 0:51:36] Adam: We’re leaving Norway House.
[0:51:36 – 0:51:37] Adam: We’re done with Lake Winnipeg.
[0:51:37 – 0:51:41] Adam: We’re skipping ahead, and they’re back in their canoe, the Sans Souci.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:41] Adam: We were off.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:42] Adam: We were off.
[0:51:42 – 0:51:47] Adam: 500 miles beyond across a vast stretch of wilderness lay our goal, the North Atlantic Ocean.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:49] Adam: Could we do it?
[0:51:50 – 0:51:56] Adam: Laden with enough food for nearly a month, twice as much as we thought we would need, we pushed off from the fort dock.
[0:51:57 – 0:52:05] Adam: While overhauled and moccasined Cree braves, fat squaws, and gurgling Indian babies stared at us, and the white men and women cheered.
[0:52:05 – 0:52:06] Adam: Wow.
[0:52:07 – 0:52:09] Adam: I’ll just take a moment to say that there’s too much of this in the book.
[0:52:09 – 0:52:18] Adam: If I have one squabble about canoeing with the Cree, there’s not enough Cree, and then when they are written into the book, they’re described in this nature.
[0:52:18 – 0:52:22] Adam: A lot of describing people by their skin color in this book, which is the 30s, but…
[0:52:23 – 0:52:27] Erik: Yes, the 30s, you know, very animalistic descriptions of humans.
[0:52:27 – 0:52:32] Adam: Yeah, I’m not asking that they censor this book in any way, but if you’re going to read it, just be prepared for that kind of talk.
[0:52:32 – 0:52:35] Erik: Yeah, I mean, they’re shooting turtles on day one.
[0:52:35 – 0:52:37] Erik: Yeah, what do you think it’s going to go?
[0:52:37 – 0:52:39] Adam: I was trembling a little, I confess.
[0:52:39 – 0:52:44] Adam: Walt and the ballast set stiffly erect and paddled hard without a backward glance.
[0:52:44 – 0:52:48] Adam: It was frightening to cut off all communication, all connection with these people.
[0:52:48 – 0:52:54] Adam: Unconsciously, we had been morally bolstered by their presence during our two-day visit at Norway House.
[0:52:55 – 0:53:11] Adam: And now we struck out, without knowing when or where we would see the next white person, realizing we had just an equal chance of getting through the wilderness to the bay without getting hopelessly lost in the intertwining rivers and lakes, or without getting caught out by the sudden freeze-up.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:13] Adam: This was hard to grin away.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:22] Adam: We had not elaborated on the dangers that lay ahead in the story for The Star, which was taken by plane through the courtesy of pilot Bob Nevins.
[0:53:23 – 0:53:25] Adam: Planes were coming to pick up their story?
[0:53:25 – 0:53:28] Adam: At Norway House, the mail plane got their story for the star, yeah.
[0:53:28 – 0:53:28] Erik: Dang.
[0:53:29 – 0:53:31] Adam: For that, we would have scared our folks to death.
[0:53:31 – 0:53:32] Adam: Could we do it?
[0:53:33 – 0:53:33] Adam: We had to.
[0:53:35 – 0:53:37] Adam: For there could be no turning back once we had left Norway House.
[0:53:38 – 0:53:45] Adam: We never could paddle back up any of the swift rivers that cascade to the bay, and hiking through the dense, impenetrable bush country couldn’t be done.
[0:53:46 – 0:53:51] Adam: Suppose we smashed up our canoe in a rapid, or lost our outfit, our food, our blankets, or our matches and rifles.
[0:53:51 – 0:53:52] Adam: What then?
[0:53:53 – 0:53:56] Adam: If we actually did make our way back to Norway Alice, we would be no better off.
[0:53:56 – 0:53:58] Adam: The steamers would have ceased running by then.
[0:53:59 – 0:54:00] Adam: We would have no money.
[0:54:01 – 0:54:09] Adam: A check from the newspaper might await us at York Factory, and 90 miles back up the Nelson River from Hudson Bay was the new Hudson Bay Railroad.
[0:54:10 – 0:54:11] Adam: That was our only chance.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:18] Erik: I mean, so you just got to keep going for many reasons.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:19] Erik: It sounds like that’s crazy.
[0:54:19 – 0:54:28] Erik: I mean that on one, on one hand, I feel like I, I think I would appreciate that as a trying to put myself in their shoes.
[0:54:29 – 0:54:31] Erik: To be like, wow, we just, we have to go now.
[0:54:31 – 0:54:36] Erik: There’s no, if we go back there, we’re stuck and then we go forward.
[0:54:36 – 0:54:39] Erik: It’s the only way to get us back home for, you know, obviously the flow of the river.
[0:54:40 – 0:54:45] Erik: And then I’m assuming it’s because it’s the next place where you can jump on any kind of transit.
[0:54:45 – 0:54:48] Erik: I mean, I’m assuming train that will take them back home.
[0:54:49 – 0:54:56] Adam: Yeah, so I’m not going to give away the entire ending of this book.
[0:54:57 – 0:54:58] Adam: I would encourage people to read it.
[0:54:58 – 0:55:01] Adam: And so I will cut my notes short today.
[0:55:01 – 0:55:01] Adam: Sure.
[0:55:01 – 0:55:02] Adam: But they obviously made it.
[0:55:02 – 0:55:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:03 – 0:55:05] Adam: And yeah, that’s the route home then.
[0:55:05 – 0:55:10] Adam: You basically just take a railroad ride back home.
[0:55:11 – 0:55:15] Adam: They took a train back to Winnipeg and then back to the Twin Cities from there.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:17] Erik: Yeah, did you get a sense…
[0:55:17 – 0:55:21] Erik: Were there year-round residents of York Factory still at that time?
[0:55:21 – 0:55:24] Adam: It seems like there’s people that were going to winter there, yeah.
[0:55:24 – 0:55:24] Adam: And they were able to…
[0:55:25 – 0:55:25] Adam: So…
[0:55:27 – 0:55:28] Adam: I don’t know what happened.
[0:55:28 – 0:55:34] Adam: They were going to get like supplies sent up, but because they ended up taking a steamship, like their supplies hadn’t arrived there yet.
[0:55:34 – 0:55:35] Erik: Because they got there sooner.
[0:55:35 – 0:55:37] Adam: Because they took the Wolverine.
[0:55:37 – 0:55:40] Adam: And so they were like, then they made up some time that they lost due to the trench thumb.
[0:55:42 – 0:55:43] Adam: But they missed out on their like supply drops.
[0:55:43 – 0:55:49] Adam: And then they were able to like procure everything, two months worth of, you know, provisions to continue the trip.
[0:55:49 – 0:55:58] Adam: Unfortunately, I know you’re probably sad to hear this, they don’t include a list of everything they were able to acquire up their Norway house for the provisions barrel.
[0:55:58 – 0:55:59] Erik: How many more hams did they acquire?
[0:55:59 – 0:56:01] Adam: How many more small hams did they acquire?
[0:56:01 – 0:56:02] Adam: Everybody wants to know.
[0:56:03 – 0:56:04] Adam: I’m asking for everybody.
[0:56:04 – 0:56:06] Erik: People are clamoring for an answer.
[0:56:08 – 0:56:18] Adam: So, yeah, I do have some passages I want to read, but the general route from Norway House down to York Factory is the God’s River.
[0:56:20 – 0:56:29] Adam: Well, first they’re making their way on a bunch of portages to God’s Lake, and then God’s Lake is the headwaters of the God’s River to the Shemadoah.
[0:56:30 – 0:56:36] Adam: And then the Shematawa flows into the Hayes, which might as well be like a fjord at the point they hit it.
[0:56:37 – 0:56:39] Adam: It’s got very fast current, but it’s like wide.
[0:56:39 – 0:56:43] Adam: And like crossing the river itself like to get to the other side is a bit of like a treachery.
[0:56:44 – 0:56:44] Adam: Dang.
[0:56:44 – 0:56:45] Adam: There’s tides involved at that point.
[0:56:45 – 0:56:50] Adam: And then the Hayes River flows to Hudson Bay at York Factory.
[0:56:50 – 0:56:51] Erik: Right into the big lake.
[0:56:51 – 0:56:56] Adam: So this is the section now that they’re striking off into of like into the unknown.
[0:56:56 – 0:56:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:57 – 0:57:01] Adam: And at that point, there’s people telling him, like, nobody’s ever done the God’s River.
[0:57:02 – 0:57:04] Adam: I think I have a passage on that up ahead here.
[0:57:05 – 0:57:08] Adam: But, yeah, it was, like, really, like, they went in there in Winnipeg, too.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:20] Adam: There’s a passage, which I was reading again this morning, in which they go to, like, the Ministry of Mining and, like, you know, land or whatever in Winnipeg and, like, looking for maps.
[0:57:20 – 0:57:21] Adam: Does anybody have maps?
[0:57:21 – 0:57:22] Erik: Yeah, I bet.
[0:57:22 – 0:57:26] Adam: Like, can you imagine going out on a trip and not, like, already having the maps on hand?
[0:57:27 – 0:57:28] Adam: They had hams, but not any maps.
[0:57:29 – 0:57:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:57:30 – 0:57:32] Erik: I guess I… Yeah, the…
[0:57:32 – 0:57:36] Adam: This is just river travel to get to Winnipeg, essentially, in the lake.
[0:57:36 – 0:57:38] Adam: And then from there is when you really need the maps, apparently.
[0:57:38 – 0:57:43] Adam: I think they did have some maps, but we only had maps to get to Winnipeg.
[0:57:44 – 0:57:45] Erik: That would be unsettling for me, I know.
[0:57:46 – 0:58:11] Erik: yeah um i like having a map and uh just constantly looking at the map throughout a trip and uh i mean no man in god’s country like that with no map yeah no matter how dangerous things get at least i can always say i know where i am right but in this scenario it would be dangerous and also you’re kind of just like i have no idea where we are yeah that’s nuts yeah very brave young men
[0:58:12 – 0:58:12] Erik: Well, those were full.
[0:58:12 – 0:58:14] Erik: Those were 60-year-old men that started.
[0:58:15 – 0:58:16] Adam: They’ve seen a lot of things.
[0:58:16 – 0:58:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:58:17 – 0:58:22] Adam: I think they were able to acquire some maps, but still like they were still looking for maps for this section.
[0:58:23 – 0:58:26] Adam: That was the most like important section of the whole trip, like in the middle of the trip.
[0:58:26 – 0:58:30] Erik: Yeah, and how, like, really, how accurate are these maps?
[0:58:30 – 0:58:31] Erik: Right, yeah.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:35] Adam: You know, it looks like those maps are, you know, are hanging in trail center.
[0:58:35 – 0:58:38] Adam: The hand-drawn maps where most of the lakes are missing, except for the big ones.
[0:58:38 – 0:58:40] Erik: It’s just a circle and a blue line in between them.
[0:58:40 – 0:58:42] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:58:42 – 0:58:43] Adam: That’s it.
[0:58:43 – 0:58:44] Adam: Yeah, this is the way.
[0:58:44 – 0:58:45] Erik: A series of circles and blue lines.
[0:58:45 – 0:58:46] Erik: That’s all it is, straight up to the bay.
[0:58:47 – 0:58:49] Adam: I’m trying to think of the name of the artist on those maps.
[0:58:50 – 0:58:52] Adam: Needham?
[0:58:52 – 0:58:52] Adam: Billy Needham.
[0:58:52 – 0:58:53] Adam: Billy Needham.
[0:58:53 – 0:58:54] Adam: It’s the Needham maps.
[0:58:54 – 0:58:55] Adam: Yeah, that’s what they were able to procure.
[0:58:57 – 0:59:02] Erik: Billy Needhams are a little bit more artistic than the first time anybody tried drawing a map.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:03] Erik: You’ve seen those, right?
[0:59:03 – 0:59:06] Adam: Yeah, the Norway house maps they picked up on the back of a napkin.
[0:59:06 – 0:59:24] Erik: just literally like a blue circle with a line for some of the circles get a little bigger and then they get a little smaller but that’s probably what it felt like for like the first traveler to go through well it was a bunch of lakes and some rivers in between in terms of what the shoreline was like I don’t remember
[0:59:27 – 0:59:29] Adam: They’re getting into cold times, though, now.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:30] Erik: When is this now?
[0:59:30 – 0:59:31] Erik: Like September?
[0:59:32 – 0:59:34] Adam: No, I think they’re still like the end of August right now.
[0:59:34 – 0:59:35] Adam: Still late August?
[0:59:35 – 0:59:35] Adam: Okay.
[0:59:35 – 0:59:36] Erik: But they’re heading north, you know.
[0:59:37 – 0:59:42] Adam: They’re into the last section of the trip, but it’s going to be the longest and hardest section, so.
[0:59:42 – 0:59:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:59:44 – 0:59:47] Adam: Walt washed his socks one evening and hung them over the bow of the canoe.
[0:59:48 – 0:59:51] Adam: When we arose, they were heavy with clinging our ice particles.
[0:59:51 – 0:59:58] Adam: As we thought of the significance of these things for the hundredth time, the creak of wooden orlocks reached our ears.
[0:59:59 – 1:00:07] Adam: Excited, I stood gripping a dirty breakfast plate as a big canoe manned by two Indians and carrying a white man who sat reading in the center swirled around the bend.
[1:00:08 – 1:00:23] Adam: at a word from the white in cree the indians one rowing in the bow with clumsy home-made oars and the other paddling vigorously in the stern put into shore at our feet my word the white man exclaimed is this all the progress you have made
[1:00:24 – 1:00:29] Adam: As shamed as we were to admit the fact that we had lost the trail, we were greatly relieved at seeing the man.
[1:00:29 – 1:00:39] Adam: We soon recognized him as Ralph Butchart, the young clerk in the Hudson Bay store at Norway House, who now was on his way to God’s Lake to become manager of that post.
[1:00:39 – 1:00:42] Erik: My God, this is all the further you’ve made it?
[1:00:42 – 1:00:44] Erik: That’s gotta be demoralizing.
[1:00:45 – 1:00:47] Adam: Oh, my word, boys.
[1:00:49 – 1:00:50] Adam: Where’d you go?
[1:00:50 – 1:00:51] Adam: Where’d you go, Ralph?
[1:00:51 – 1:00:56] Adam: Ralph invited us to travel along with him and his savages as far as his destination.
[1:00:57 – 1:01:00] Adam: With that little canoe, he said, you should keep up with us very easily.
[1:01:01 – 1:01:07] Adam: Nearly bursting with joy, we flung everything into our boat and shoved off to trail the big boat and its three occupants.
[1:01:08 – 1:01:10] Adam: And for four days after that, we trailed them.
[1:01:10 – 1:01:14] Adam: It was a gorgeous experience living with the Crees and this experienced woodsman.
[1:01:14 – 1:01:17] Adam: but it almost broke our backs to keep up with them.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:24] Adam: We paddled as fast as they because they had 300 pounds of flour with them besides their regular equipment and all of Ralph’s worldly goods.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:27] Adam: But oh, those portages.
[1:01:27 – 1:01:30] Adam: In the first place, our canoe could not be carried by one of us.
[1:01:30 – 1:01:32] Adam: The middle thwart was missing.
[1:01:32 – 1:01:36] Adam: We had no portage yoke, and our paddles were not long enough to serve as shoulder braces.
[1:01:37 – 1:01:40] Adam: Each portage meant two trips apiece for us.”
[1:01:41 – 1:01:46] Adam: First we would load each other up with about 150 pounds of outfit and stagger the distance.
[1:01:46 – 1:01:49] Adam: Gasping, we hurried back and threw the canoes to our shoulders.
[1:01:50 – 1:01:54] Adam: There seemed to be something about each portage that put frenzy in the hearts of the Indians.
[1:01:55 – 1:02:03] Adam: Within two minutes after beaching, they would have about 250 pounds apiece on their backs, and away they trotted as though their very lives depended on speed.
[1:02:04 – 1:02:09] Adam: And Ralph always took an immense load too, supported only by a tump line across his forehead.
[1:02:10 – 1:02:13] Adam: It was then that we found all things wrong with our outfit.
[1:02:13 – 1:02:20] Adam: Our pack sacks were too small, our wooden grub box had no straps on it, and handling our box of hardtack was like holding a slippery fish.
[1:02:21 – 1:02:23] Erik: Yeah, no tump lines, I bet.
[1:02:25 – 1:02:25] Adam: Oh, man.
[1:02:25 – 1:02:25] Adam: Man.
[1:02:27 – 1:02:35] Adam: I got a little bit of information on the Cree, so we might as well read this because he doesn’t give them a lot of actual personal limelight.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:38] Adam: Our Cree friends were named Moses Gore and James Robertson.
[1:02:39 – 1:02:40] Adam: I’m sure that was their names.
[1:02:40 – 1:02:42] Erik: Probably James Robertson.
[1:02:42 – 1:02:45] Erik: I think, yeah, First Nations name.
[1:02:45 – 1:02:46] Erik: Yeah, very appropriate.
[1:02:46 – 1:02:50] Adam: Many Indians have biblical names given by the missionaries.
[1:02:50 – 1:02:51] Adam: There you go.
[1:02:51 – 1:02:55] Adam: Moses was 54 years old, and yet he could portage the heart right out of Walt and me.
[1:02:56 – 1:03:00] Adam: Jimmy was in his 20s, and unlike Moses, he would not talk with us in English.
[1:03:00 – 1:03:04] Adam: I don’t think we said four words to him during our journey, and he never said one to us.
[1:03:05 – 1:03:08] Adam: A tump line is a very neat little thing, but I hate the mention of it.
[1:03:09 – 1:03:10] Adam: I am horribly prejudiced, of course.
[1:03:10 – 1:03:14] Adam: The strap resulted in a sensation in my neck, like hanging from the gallows all day.
[1:03:15 – 1:03:16] Adam: So he doesn’t like it.
[1:03:17 – 1:03:22] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know if he’s using it correctly, if it makes him feel like he’s being hung.
[1:03:22 – 1:03:23] Erik: Maybe not.
[1:03:23 – 1:03:25] Erik: Also, the name of the book?
[1:03:26 – 1:03:27] Adam: Canoeing with the Cree.
[1:03:27 – 1:03:31] Erik: You kind of canoed behind some for a while.
[1:03:31 – 1:03:32] Erik: And then they portaged you.
[1:03:32 – 1:03:33] Erik: And then called them savages.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:36] Erik: I don’t know if you get to name your book Canoeing with the Cree.
[1:03:36 – 1:03:39] Adam: I mean, they spend a lot of time at these posts along the way, too.
[1:03:39 – 1:03:39] Adam: Sure.
[1:03:41 – 1:03:50] Adam: A lot of the Lake Winnipeg section, they’re staying in First Nations settlements or camp near them at least.
[1:03:51 – 1:03:52] Adam: There’s more to it than just that.
[1:03:52 – 1:03:57] Adam: But like I said earlier, the language used to describe his Cree friends is a little rough.
[1:03:58 – 1:04:04] Erik: It’s a little rough and you know, it’s one of those things that you just at this point, you know, we talk about like, what was it?
[1:04:04 – 1:04:05] Erik: The father of trouble.
[1:04:06 – 1:04:10] Erik: Like there’s some things that I’m like, man, why did we ever get rid of talking like that?
[1:04:10 – 1:04:10] Erik: Right, right.
[1:04:10 – 1:04:14] Erik: There’s some fun things that are like kitschy and, but then there’s also, yeah.
[1:04:14 – 1:04:17] Adam: You’re reading a book that’s almost a hundred years old at this point.
[1:04:17 – 1:04:24] Erik: But there’s also that where it’s like, yeah, well, I mean, we’re not going to read some of that stuff verbatim, but it’s just the style of the time.
[1:04:24 – 1:04:28] Adam: Yeah, I had to carefully pick which sections I was reading for the show, for sure.
[1:04:28 – 1:04:31] Adam: Some of them are a little bit harder to read than others.
[1:04:31 – 1:04:33] Erik: Yeah, I don’t really hold it against them.
[1:04:34 – 1:04:39] Erik: Some 18-year-olds in the 1930s, that was probably just the common nomenclature.
[1:04:40 – 1:04:46] Adam: Anyways, they make it to God’s Lake, and then this is where their Cree friends and their white man friend are going to be posted up for the winter.
[1:04:46 – 1:04:51] Adam: So they leave them there, and then they basically head off the map at that point for real.
[1:04:51 – 1:04:52] Adam: Heading off the map.
[1:04:52 – 1:04:54] Adam: And they basically have to paddle across a huge lake.
[1:04:54 – 1:04:55] Adam: I mean…
[1:04:55 – 1:05:01] Adam: It’s probably like paddling across something, you know, probably bigger than Lac La Croix by three times or whatever.
[1:05:02 – 1:05:06] Adam: And then you got to find a little river outlet on the far shore to get onto the God’s river.
[1:05:06 – 1:05:07] Adam: I looked this up on a map for sure.
[1:05:07 – 1:05:07] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:08 – 1:05:09] Adam: Cause I wanted to see like what they’re up against.
[1:05:09 – 1:05:11] Adam: They’re like, just keep following the Island that burnt.
[1:05:11 – 1:05:15] Adam: And then from there, take about, go about 15 miles North, Northeast, uh,
[1:05:15 – 1:05:19] Adam: And you’ll pick up the river, and you look at the map, and you’re like, yeah, that lake’s nuts.
[1:05:19 – 1:05:20] Adam: Go look at God’s Lake.
[1:05:20 – 1:05:26] Adam: If anybody hit pause and go find God’s Lake and just look at where the God’s River flows out of it in the northeast corner.
[1:05:26 – 1:05:29] Adam: It’s ridiculous how they basically found it immediately, too.
[1:05:30 – 1:05:30] Adam: Yeah.
[1:05:30 – 1:05:36] Adam: So these guys must have been able to follow the compass pretty well or whatever maps they had were pretty good.
[1:05:37 – 1:05:39] Adam: I wanted to read this passage.
[1:05:39 – 1:05:44] Adam: It’s not long compared to the other passages, but it’s my favorite part of the whole book.
[1:05:45 – 1:05:47] Adam: So I’m going to try and nail this little passage here.
[1:05:47 – 1:05:49] Adam: This is from the chapter God’s Country.
[1:05:50 – 1:05:55] Adam: Such sites as this are reserved for those who will suffer to behold them.
[1:05:55 – 1:06:03] Adam: The clear, calm level of the lake stretched as far as our eyes could see, and, like precious stones in a setting of silver, eyelets resided.
[1:06:05 – 1:06:08] Adam: Islets reflected the afternoon sun in splotches of color.
[1:06:09 – 1:06:13] Adam: The air was blue, so blue, as though the sky had settled down to earth.
[1:06:15 – 1:06:17] Adam: All right, well, I didn’t do it right, but I’m not going to reread it.
[1:06:17 – 1:06:18] Adam: That’s the way I read it.
[1:06:18 – 1:06:20] Adam: It’s a one-take wonder, this show.
[1:06:20 – 1:06:21] Erik: Yeah, this one.
[1:06:22 – 1:06:25] Adam: And this is as scripted as Dumbledore ever gets, and I messed her up.
[1:06:25 – 1:06:27] Adam: Such sights are those.
[1:06:27 – 1:06:27] Adam: Oh, man.
[1:06:29 – 1:06:31] Adam: They’re for those who will suffer to behold them.
[1:06:31 – 1:06:45] Erik: I was going to say, that’s my biggest takeaway is the suffering and earning the feeling more than it being, you know, yeah, sure, you can drive up to a pretty vista, but it doesn’t look the same as if you hiked to it.
[1:06:45 – 1:06:51] Erik: There’s a deep feeling of trying to earn something and suffer for it that changes the way it looks.
[1:06:54 – 1:06:58] Adam: Uh, they ended up like running into another group farther up here.
[1:06:58 – 1:07:00] Adam: And, uh, there’s a fun exchange I wanted to read.
[1:07:00 – 1:07:08] Adam: We’ve got a couple more to go here and that’s about all I’m going to, we’ll maybe just discuss like, you know, the overall look at their trip and how they got home.
[1:07:08 – 1:07:08] Adam: But, um,
[1:07:09 – 1:07:13] Adam: Like I said, I want to leave some of this book.
[1:07:14 – 1:07:24] Adam: With 29th Day, which was kind of a similar trip to this, I feel like we read right up until they got taken out of there and helicoptered back home.
[1:07:24 – 1:07:28] Adam: So anybody that wanted to go read the book, there wasn’t a whole lot left to the imagination.
[1:07:28 – 1:07:30] Adam: So I’m going to try and leave a little bit of this.
[1:07:30 – 1:07:31] Adam: All right.
[1:07:31 – 1:07:33] Adam: I do want to read this last couple passages.
[1:07:33 – 1:07:33] Adam: All right.
[1:07:33 – 1:07:35] Erik: We’ll pick back up in one second.
[1:07:36 – 1:07:37] Adam: I do want to reread it.
[1:07:37 – 1:07:37] Adam: I messed it up.
[1:07:37 – 1:07:38] Adam: It’s the best part of the book.
[1:07:38 – 1:07:39] Erik: Okay.
[1:07:39 – 1:07:41] Erik: You want to reread it on mic right now?
[1:07:41 – 1:07:41] Adam: Yeah.
[1:07:41 – 1:07:43] Erik: All right.
[1:07:46 – 1:07:48] Adam: Three, two, one.
[1:07:49 – 1:07:53] Adam: Such sights as this are reserved for those who will suffer to behold them.
[1:07:53 – 1:08:03] Adam: The clear, calm level of the lake stretched as far as our eyes could see, and, like precious stones in a setting of silver, islets reflected the afternoon sun in splotches of color.
[1:08:03 – 1:08:07] Adam: The air was blue, so blue, as though the sky had settled down to earth.
[1:08:10 – 1:08:14] Adam: They were going towards, on God’s Lake, there is a post up there that they were heading towards.
[1:08:14 – 1:08:19] Adam: It was like the last spot where they could probably get any supplies before they hit the rivers heading towards Hudson Bay.
[1:08:19 – 1:08:28] Adam: The post on God’s Lake was immortalized by Kerwood in his story, Nomads of the North, one of the shrines of the North Country to us.
[1:08:28 – 1:08:31] Adam: They landed in the face of a growing crowd of curious Crees.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:33] Erik: Curious, I bet.
[1:08:34 – 1:08:34] Adam: That was the last spot.
[1:08:34 – 1:08:39] Adam: I think in this one is the one where they literally spent their last pennies on some candy bars.
[1:08:40 – 1:09:02] Adam: classic teenage behavior so these forts and posts that are up there are they accessed just by just by boat i believe so yeah but there is a there’s another way from like this section that they could have taken that was like more well traveled i don’t know why they were set on taking the god’s river from there but yeah from god’s lake down to like the post on the you know on the haze river they’re basically like off the map for real um
[1:09:04 – 1:09:08] Adam: Anyways, I have a couple more passages I just wanted to read from their time.
[1:09:08 – 1:09:14] Adam: Here’s one from basically I got a couple more from their time on God’s Lake before they head off down the final river.
[1:09:14 – 1:09:16] Erik: How long is the final stretch, though?
[1:09:16 – 1:09:18] Erik: Isn’t that still like a long ways?
[1:09:18 – 1:09:20] Adam: I have a there’s a quote in there that will.
[1:09:20 – 1:09:22] Adam: Yeah, I think it takes them like three more weeks from that point.
[1:09:23 – 1:09:25] Adam: But there’s a quote that kind of home stretch.
[1:09:25 – 1:09:25] Adam: Yeah.
[1:09:27 – 1:09:28] Adam: They caught some fish.
[1:09:29 – 1:09:30] Adam: What kind of fish were they?
[1:09:30 – 1:09:31] Adam: Ernest asked.
[1:09:31 – 1:09:32] Adam: Northern pike.
[1:09:32 – 1:09:34] Adam: No wonder they laughed, he said.
[1:09:34 – 1:09:35] Adam: And the men proceeded to laugh also.
[1:09:36 – 1:09:37] Adam: We call them jackfish.
[1:09:37 – 1:09:39] Adam: They go to the dogs for winter grub.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:41] Adam: People around here eat nothing but whitefish.
[1:09:42 – 1:09:46] Adam: Of course, when there comes a famine, they’ll eat jackfish, but not until then.
[1:09:47 – 1:09:48] Adam: Don’t let the kids see you eat them.
[1:09:49 – 1:09:50] Adam: Better throw them to the pups outside.
[1:09:50 – 1:09:53] Adam: We have a nice mess of whitefish if you must have fish to eat.
[1:09:54 – 1:09:59] Adam: Throw to the dogs these glorious, shining, freshwater monsters, the biggest he had ever caught, not Walt.
[1:10:00 – 1:10:03] Adam: And to show him I was thoroughly in sympathy with him, I helped him eat the jackfish.
[1:10:04 – 1:10:11] Adam: The pups outside were a team of five beautiful, square-headed gray huskies, easily the most powerful and handsome dogs we saw anywhere.
[1:10:11 – 1:10:12] Erik: Wow.
[1:10:12 – 1:10:16] Adam: So, yeah, they got a little dog team action in the book.
[1:10:16 – 1:10:18] Adam: They’re getting pretty far north at this point.
[1:10:18 – 1:10:21] Adam: But, yeah, I like that they got made fun of for eating pike.
[1:10:21 – 1:10:23] Adam: Yeah, they caught some really big jackfish.
[1:10:23 – 1:10:24] Erik: I like the jackfish term.
[1:10:26 – 1:10:27] Adam: On their one fishing pole they had.
[1:10:28 – 1:10:29] Adam: Copper-tipped.
[1:10:30 – 1:10:32] Erik: Copper-tipped fishing pole even?
[1:10:32 – 1:10:34] Erik: Yeah, for landing those jackfish.
[1:10:36 – 1:10:36] Erik: Peckerel?
[1:10:37 – 1:10:38] Erik: How many other names of northern pike are there?
[1:10:39 – 1:10:40] Erik: There’s tons, I feel.
[1:10:40 – 1:10:41] Adam: Yeah, I like Jackfish.
[1:10:41 – 1:10:42] Adam: That’s always a classic.
[1:10:42 – 1:10:44] Adam: Yeah.
[1:10:44 – 1:10:52] Adam: This is the last passage I’ll read, and then we can get your final thoughts on the book, and I can maybe just tell you about the logistics of how their trip ended.
[1:10:54 – 1:11:00] Adam: “‘Well, boys, goodbye and God take care of you,’ Ralph said to us as he stood up in our canoe and shook his hand.
[1:11:00 – 1:11:02] Adam: The last tie with safety was being broken.
[1:11:03 – 1:11:11] Adam: More than 300 miles of practically unexplored wilderness lay before us, down a river traversed, perhaps, by only a handful of white men in history.’
[1:11:11 – 1:11:14] Adam: never covered by any of the whites or Crees we had met so far.
[1:11:15 – 1:11:22] Adam: I don’t know anything about the Rapids, but that current should be very fast, and I think you should make York in about eight days, Ralph went on.
[1:11:22 – 1:11:26] Adam: What do you think, Solomon, he asked, turning to the Cree trapper for the post.
[1:11:27 – 1:11:29] Adam: They said tripper there, not trapper.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:32] Adam: I don’t know if that’s an old-timey title.
[1:11:32 – 1:11:32] Erik: Yeah, maybe.
[1:11:33 – 1:11:34] Erik: Maybe that’s all he does.
[1:11:34 – 1:11:35] Adam: What do you think, Solomon?
[1:11:35 – 1:11:38] Adam: He added, turning to the Cree tripper for the post.
[1:11:38 – 1:11:40] Adam: Solomon scratched his head.
[1:11:40 – 1:11:41] Adam: Don’t know.
[1:11:41 – 1:11:43] Adam: Never been down gods.
[1:11:43 – 1:11:44] Adam: Think maybe 10 days.
[1:11:45 – 1:11:46] Adam: Lots of rain soon now.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:47] Adam: Uh-oh.
[1:11:49 – 1:11:49] Adam: That’s it.
[1:11:50 – 1:11:51] Adam: Lots of rain soon.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:51] Adam: It did.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:53] Adam: It just rained buckets.
[1:11:53 – 1:11:55] Adam: Solomon knew exactly what was going to happen.
[1:11:55 – 1:11:56] Adam: September rain.
[1:11:57 – 1:12:00] Erik: The cold zip tambourine.
[1:12:01 – 1:12:02] Adam: That’s the song.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:05] Adam: So they went there, God’s River down the Shematawa.
[1:12:06 – 1:12:08] Adam: And there was several where they’re like, is this the Shematawa?
[1:12:09 – 1:12:09] Adam: No.
[1:12:09 – 1:12:11] Adam: They kept being confused as to where they were.
[1:12:11 – 1:12:12] Adam: They got lost a bunch.
[1:12:12 – 1:12:15] Adam: There’s some rapids that just sound insane.
[1:12:15 – 1:12:15] Erik: Yeah.
[1:12:16 – 1:12:21] Erik: Not knowing how the rapids were going to go, that would be the most stressful for me.
[1:12:22 – 1:12:44] Adam: also kind of exciting but you know i you don’t want to get dashed on a rock and uh in those parts that’s it i don’t know what else you’re done do well that basically as i said earlier they’re like we’d just be we’d be stuck yeah um actually i had one more i found this morning i wanted to read and uh this is like their final night on the trail on the hayes river
[1:12:45 – 1:12:48] Adam: We put up the tent and spread the ponchos and blankets directly on the clay.
[1:12:49 – 1:12:53] Adam: It was like lying on a cake of ice, but we had become so hardened and were so weary that we slept.
[1:12:54 – 1:13:05] Adam: Our notes for the next morning read, last day on the trail, got up at 5.30 a.m. and hopped around in the freezing cold while we ate the last can of beans cold, a few prunes, and half a hardtack.
[1:13:06 – 1:13:08] Adam: Hit the trail at 7, hands and feet wet and numb.
[1:13:09 – 1:13:11] Adam: Paddled against strong north winds till noon,
[1:13:12 – 1:13:17] Adam: A last of chocolate, last of prunes, a raw potato, and half a biscuit, all out of grub.
[1:13:18 – 1:13:19] Erik: Perfect timing.
[1:13:19 – 1:13:22] Adam: They were almost all out of grub.
[1:13:22 – 1:13:24] Adam: They were almost all out of grub.
[1:13:25 – 1:13:31] Adam: The last day, going with the current on the haze, they paddled 60 miles to get there.
[1:13:31 – 1:13:36] Adam: I think you’ve been there on a trip where you’re just like, I got to get to supplies.
[1:13:36 – 1:13:37] Erik: Yeah, no matter what happens.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:39] Adam: I will paddle as many miles as it takes.
[1:13:39 – 1:13:42] Adam: And they were done sleeping on the hard, icy clay.
[1:13:42 – 1:13:45] Adam: So they made it into York Factory on September 20th.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:49] Adam: Just about four months, a little bit more than four months after departing the Twin Cities.
[1:13:51 – 1:13:54] Adam: Upon reaching it there, there was like somewhat of a celebration.
[1:13:54 – 1:13:56] Adam: They almost like left their boat to the tide.
[1:13:56 – 1:13:57] Adam: Oh, no, yeah.
[1:13:57 – 1:14:01] Adam: The tide almost got the San Susie, and they’re like whatever was left of their gear at that point.
[1:14:02 – 1:14:03] Adam: But, yeah, they had victory dinner.
[1:14:04 – 1:14:06] Adam: Does anybody out there have a victory dinner?
[1:14:06 – 1:14:09] Adam: I guess for us it’s the equivalent of a glove box warmy.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:30] Adam: yeah pretty much uh their glove box warmy was a can of pineapple that they had carried with them the entire trip canned pineapple one can of pineapple which uh they cracked open and ate the whole thing at york factory didn’t share it with any of the locals this is just a tube of pineapple in a can like when you get cranberry sauce or was it like chunked pineapple
[1:14:30 – 1:14:34] Adam: I assume it was like chunks or rings of pineapple in a can.
[1:14:34 – 1:14:36] Adam: You can see this still today in a grocery store.
[1:14:36 – 1:14:36] Adam: Well, yeah.
[1:14:36 – 1:14:37] Adam: Victory dinner.
[1:14:37 – 1:14:39] Erik: Who knows what’s going on in the 30s, though.
[1:14:39 – 1:14:39] Erik: That’s hilarious.
[1:14:39 – 1:14:40] Erik: They might just be plunging.
[1:14:40 – 1:14:41] Adam: They didn’t mention that at all.
[1:14:41 – 1:14:43] Adam: I don’t think it was listed in the original.
[1:14:44 – 1:14:45] Adam: A can of pineapple?
[1:14:45 – 1:14:48] Adam: A can of pineapple was maybe acquired at Norway House or something.
[1:14:48 – 1:14:48] Adam: Yeah, wow.
[1:14:48 – 1:14:49] Adam: Or God’s Lake.
[1:14:49 – 1:14:49] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:14:50 – 1:14:54] Adam: They were able to get their hands on a bunch of candy bars and some canned pineapple.
[1:14:54 – 1:14:54] Adam: That’s insane.
[1:14:54 – 1:14:59] Erik: Like how in the 30s, how long and how far away that pineapple had to come.
[1:14:59 – 1:15:02] Adam: That was the fanciest thing you could eat in the 1930s was canned pineapple.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:03] Adam: Yeah, basically.
[1:15:03 – 1:15:05] Adam: You couldn’t just go buy a pineapple at the grocery store back then.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:06] Erik: No.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:11] Adam: The only way you’d ever, you know, somebody living in North America would ever see a pineapple was in a can.
[1:15:11 – 1:15:12] Erik: Canned pineapple.
[1:15:12 – 1:15:13] Adam: Yeah.
[1:15:13 – 1:15:16] Adam: So anyways, York Factory, pretty bleak.
[1:15:16 – 1:15:18] Adam: They stay there for like two days and recover.
[1:15:18 – 1:15:19] Adam: Yeah.
[1:15:19 – 1:15:24] Adam: They did leave the San Susi on the beach upturned in the mud on the Hayes River.
[1:15:24 – 1:15:25] Erik: Is it still there?
[1:15:25 – 1:15:26] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:15:26 – 1:15:31] Adam: I try to look that up if it got put in a museum eventually or maybe it’s on display at the fort now.
[1:15:32 – 1:15:33] Adam: I couldn’t find anything.
[1:15:33 – 1:15:35] Adam: Does anybody know what happened to the San Susi?
[1:15:35 – 1:15:36] Adam: That’d be interesting to know.
[1:15:36 – 1:15:42] Adam: They never got their deposit back of $5.25 from the Canadian government for leaving their canoe behind.
[1:15:43 – 1:15:44] Erik: Yeah, that’s how it goes.
[1:15:44 – 1:15:59] Adam: The railroad does not go to York Factory, though, so they hired First Nations paddlers to take them back up the river, and then they did a five-mile portage across the tundra
[1:16:00 – 1:16:01] Erik: to the…
[1:16:03 – 1:16:04] Adam: There’s another river.
[1:16:04 – 1:16:04] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:16:04 – 1:16:05] Erik: But that’s where the train ended?
[1:16:05 – 1:16:13] Adam: So then they had to get up across that river, but the train track wasn’t fully built yet, but the grade was down.
[1:16:14 – 1:16:17] Adam: They had to hike 90 miles on a railroad grade bed.
[1:16:17 – 1:16:18] Erik: Oh, my God.
[1:16:18 – 1:16:19] Erik: They had to hike 90 miles at the end of all this?
[1:16:19 – 1:16:20] Adam: Hike 90 miles.
[1:16:20 – 1:16:25] Adam: That’s like doing a whole SHT trip at the end with no scenery.
[1:16:25 – 1:16:31] Adam: It’s just on a flat railroad grade the whole way to where the railroad actually was.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:35] Erik: It’s like hiking from Grand Marais to Duluth.
[1:16:35 – 1:16:40] Adam: They were supposed to, like, wire their families, like, hey, we made it, but there’s no way to do that at York Factory.
[1:16:40 – 1:16:44] Adam: So they were, like, weeks behind schedule, like, notifying their, like, parents that they were alive.
[1:16:44 – 1:16:49] Erik: Yeah, they started turning their rooms into, like, pool ball, pool billiard, rumpus rooms.
[1:16:49 – 1:16:54] Adam: Yeah, I don’t think they, like, sent out the search party for them yet, but, like, anyhow.
[1:16:54 – 1:16:57] Adam: They made it up there, and then, like, they had missed the train by, like, an hour.
[1:16:57 – 1:16:59] Adam: So then they had to wait around there for the next train.
[1:16:59 – 1:17:02] Erik: I was going to say that probably comes, what, like, once a week?
[1:17:02 – 1:17:03] Adam: Yeah.
[1:17:03 – 1:17:11] Adam: What I liked about the story was they referred to the railroad as the steel, as in we had to hike 90 miles to the steel.
[1:17:11 – 1:17:12] Erik: To the steel, yeah.
[1:17:12 – 1:17:15] Adam: And then they rode the steel back to Winnipeg and then back to the Twin Cities.
[1:17:16 – 1:17:18] Erik: But the train was eventually supposed to go farther.
[1:17:18 – 1:17:19] Erik: It was just not.
[1:17:19 – 1:17:19] Erik: Eventually.
[1:17:19 – 1:17:21] Erik: There was no steel down yet.
[1:17:21 – 1:17:22] Adam: Right.
[1:17:22 – 1:17:22] Adam: Yeah.
[1:17:22 – 1:17:29] Adam: They were, they like, you know, I don’t know how much longer it was till that was, that section was completed or whatever, but now you basically, it ends at Churchill.
[1:17:30 – 1:17:30] Erik: Yeah.
[1:17:30 – 1:17:37] Adam: Um, and you can still ride the, uh, uh, the Hudson Bay railway, I guess is what it’s called from Winnipeg up to Churchill.
[1:17:37 – 1:17:39] Adam: It’s like a multi-night trip up there and back.
[1:17:39 – 1:17:39] Erik: Yeah.
[1:17:39 – 1:17:46] Erik: That’s the train that Tori had to take back after their trip ended up, uh, it sounds like they almost did the exact, this exact trip.
[1:17:46 – 1:17:52] Adam: Yeah, in reading about this one, too, there’s a lot of people that, like, follow this trip, like, as closely as they can.
[1:17:52 – 1:17:54] Adam: Like, we’re going to recreate the canoeing with the Cree trip.
[1:17:54 – 1:17:55] Adam: Yeah.
[1:17:55 – 1:17:57] Adam: So, yeah, pretty common route these days.
[1:17:57 – 1:18:03] Adam: I don’t think you have to walk 90 miles at the end to get the steel, but they had to, which is crazy to me.
[1:18:03 – 1:18:07] Adam: And, like, yeah, Walt had, like, basically was walking on, like, a broken ankle at that point, too.
[1:18:08 – 1:18:11] Erik: Well, God, at least they were able to abandon the canoe.
[1:18:11 – 1:18:13] Adam: Yeah, they left the canoe behind, though.
[1:18:13 – 1:18:16] Adam: They did get stopped back at the Winnipeg Canoe Club.
[1:18:17 – 1:18:20] Adam: Another thousand-member welcoming party.
[1:18:20 – 1:18:22] Adam: Rub it in everybody’s faces who said they couldn’t do it.
[1:18:22 – 1:18:33] Adam: For the most part, almost everybody they encountered in this trip, although a lot of people were kind to them, almost nobody thought they could do it, and a lot of people told them right to their face that they’re not going to make it.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:34] Adam: You will die.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:36] Adam: You will die, and you’re not going to make it.
[1:18:37 – 1:18:42] Adam: And the newspaper will be very… You will be shamed publicly.
[1:18:42 – 1:18:45] Adam: Very upset with you that you didn’t finish your quest.
[1:18:45 – 1:18:47] Erik: It will be written down in the ages that you were buffoons.
[1:18:47 – 1:18:49] Erik: For hundreds of years, they will talk about you.
[1:18:50 – 1:18:51] Erik: But yeah, the exact…
[1:18:52 – 1:18:55] Erik: I don’t know about the exact opposite, but… Severide and Port, they made it.
[1:18:55 – 1:18:56] Adam: Close to it, yeah.
[1:18:56 – 1:18:59] Adam: And yeah, I don’t know if I could pull that off.
[1:19:00 – 1:19:02] Adam: It sounded like a pretty tough one.
[1:19:02 – 1:19:09] Erik: I think I could probably have pulled it off or gotten close to it in this day and age, maybe like 15 years ago.
[1:19:10 – 1:19:18] Erik: If I was fully prepared and I had the resources that I do now, I don’t think I could have gotten anywhere close to pulling anything like that off in the 30s.
[1:19:18 – 1:19:18] Adam: Right.
[1:19:18 – 1:19:23] Adam: Just going in essentially blind with like- Just with traveler’s checks and ham.
[1:19:23 – 1:19:25] Erik: Just with traveler’s checks and Alice meat.
[1:19:25 – 1:19:25] Erik: Yeah.
[1:19:27 – 1:19:28] Erik: Oh, no, there’s no way.
[1:19:28 – 1:19:29] Erik: Or Alice.
[1:19:29 – 1:19:29] Erik: For sure.
[1:19:29 – 1:19:32] Erik: I don’t even know if I would have considered doing it.
[1:19:33 – 1:19:36] Erik: God forbid I would have even gotten close to doing it.
[1:19:36 – 1:19:41] Erik: But yeah, if I had an entire winter to plan, I think we could probably do it.
[1:19:42 – 1:19:43] Adam: Right on.
[1:19:43 – 1:19:46] Adam: I’m about to pop into one of these high seltzers.
[1:19:46 – 1:19:50] Adam: I’m going to go for the, I don’t know, wild cherry or wild berry.
[1:19:51 – 1:19:51] Adam: One of these.
[1:19:52 – 1:20:00] Adam: Thank you to Road Rage 1865 for the beautiful handwritten note and for the art supplies, which we are about to enjoy.
[1:20:02 – 1:20:10] Adam: Thank you for hiking them on your back like you’re going down to the steel, bringing us our surprise dinner of pineapple in a can.
[1:20:11 – 1:20:12] Adam: Thank you to Courtney and Dominic
[1:20:12 – 1:20:17] Adam: of course, for our blacklist drinks that we started tonight’s episode with.
[1:20:17 – 1:20:18] Erik: Trey Tasty Ammo.
[1:20:18 – 1:20:19] Adam: Trey Tasty Ammo.
[1:20:19 – 1:20:20] Adam: What are you going into?
[1:20:21 – 1:20:21] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:20:23 – 1:20:26] Erik: Probably just one of the seltzers, I guess.
[1:20:26 – 1:20:27] Adam: I’ll go with the real cherry.
[1:20:27 – 1:20:28] Erik: No, no, no.
[1:20:28 – 1:20:29] Erik: Just don’t take that one.
[1:20:30 – 1:20:30] Erik: Let’s get out of here.
[1:20:30 – 1:20:35] Erik: We’ll figure out drink selection here in the intermission.
[1:20:35 – 1:20:36] Adam: Right on.
[1:20:36 – 1:20:40] Adam: Well, this has been episode 269 of Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[1:20:41 – 1:20:48] Adam: And I highly recommend anybody that enjoys paddling or this podcast would go ahead and check out Canoeing with the Cree if you somehow haven’t read it yet.
[1:20:49 – 1:20:52] Adam: Yeah, I’m in my 40s, and I finally read it, and it was a really good book.
[1:20:52 – 1:20:54] Adam: Sounded like quite the adventure.
[1:20:54 – 1:20:56] Adam: Yeah, it was a fun couple episodes.
[1:20:58 – 1:21:01] Adam: As we say on Tumble Home, life is precious and every day is a miracle.
[1:21:01 – 1:21:02] Adam: Happy paddling.
[1:21:05 – 1:21:10] SPEAKER_01: I’m not Prince Charming in Rapunzel’s world.
[1:21:12 – 1:21:16] SPEAKER_01: There’s no dragon to fight off.
[1:21:16 – 1:21:20] SPEAKER_01: There’s no tower to climb up.
[1:21:21 – 1:21:26] SPEAKER_01: There’s no purse for your hair.
[1:21:28 – 1:21:33] SPEAKER_01: And if there was, I’d just be pulling.
[1:21:46 – 1:22:12] SPEAKER_01: Cinderella tail There’s no sisters to fight on There’s no pumpkin to ride on There’s no slipper to wear There’s no one to rely on There’s no
[1:22:12 – 1:22:41] SPEAKER_01: They’ve never been out there Like a candle in the wind It’s gonna blow out again I’ve tried to put it in my head I’ve tried to make it understand But I’ll just get burned