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[0:00:05 – 0:00:08] Erik: We love you and you’re very special, you tumble homies.
[0:00:08 – 0:00:12] Erik: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:13 – 0:00:14] Erik: This is episode 0128.
[0:00:14 – 0:00:15] Erik: Nailed it.
[0:00:15 – 0:00:17] Erik: Coming to you live.
[0:00:23 – 0:00:28] Erik: From Studio K and the banks of the K-Dumpster River, my name is Eric.
[0:00:28 – 0:00:33] Erik: I am joined as always and forever by my good friend Adam.
[0:00:33 – 0:00:33] Erik: Hello.
[0:00:34 – 0:00:35] Erik: Hello, Eric.
[0:00:37 – 0:00:39] Erik: I’m, yes.
[0:00:39 – 0:00:42] Erik: How’s it going?
[0:00:42 – 0:00:43] Erik: It’s going well.
[0:00:43 – 0:00:48] Erik: A tumble home first with the show must go on.
[0:00:50 – 0:01:00] Erik: The K2 facilities is currently down a vehicle and I didn’t feel like getting up at 730 to drop the geologist wife off at work.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:04] Erik: So in lieu of a vehicle, I skied here.
[0:01:05 – 0:01:06] Erik: Hour on the nuts.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:08] Adam: I called it.
[0:01:08 – 0:01:08] Adam: You did.
[0:01:10 – 0:01:11] Adam: I doubted you and I shouldn’t have.
[0:01:12 – 0:01:13] Adam: It’s a steep one.
[0:01:13 – 0:01:14] Adam: That’s a steep one.
[0:01:14 – 0:01:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:01:14 – 0:01:19] Erik: From K2 to K took an hour and one hour and 10 seconds.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:23] Erik: It’s 3.5 miles and I gained 500 feet in elevation roughly.
[0:01:25 – 0:01:27] Erik: And that is brought to you by the app AllTrails.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:31] Erik: This week, we are brought to you by AllTrails.
[0:01:31 – 0:01:33] Adam: They got a really good VPN, too.
[0:01:34 – 0:01:36] Adam: AllTrails, they do it all.
[0:01:37 – 0:01:38] Adam: That’s a fun one.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:39] Adam: I have one on my phone.
[0:01:39 – 0:01:45] Adam: I haven’t laid any tracks down yet this year worthy of tracking.
[0:01:46 – 0:01:48] Adam: I did take a trip out to Mount Marguerite.
[0:01:48 – 0:01:49] Adam: You got to visit this time of year.
[0:01:49 – 0:01:50] Adam: It’s gorgeous.
[0:01:51 – 0:01:52] Erik: I’m planning on it.
[0:01:52 – 0:01:54] Erik: You’ve now hipped me to its exact location.
[0:01:55 – 0:01:56] Adam: Yeah, you know it now.
[0:01:56 – 0:01:57] Adam: You’re going to see it.
[0:01:57 – 0:02:00] Erik: I might stop on the way home if I don’t get a ride.
[0:02:00 – 0:02:00] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:02:00 – 0:02:01] Erik: We’ll see.
[0:02:01 – 0:02:02] Erik: It’s all downhill home.
[0:02:02 – 0:02:04] Erik: I should be fine, except for a couple of spots.
[0:02:04 – 0:02:05] Adam: It’s a little too downhill.
[0:02:05 – 0:02:05] Adam: Too downhill.
[0:02:05 – 0:02:06] Adam: It’s a little dangerous.
[0:02:07 – 0:02:07] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:02:08 – 0:02:13] Adam: Yeah, the Margarita Nature Trail, Margaritaville Nature Trail, that is.
[0:02:13 – 0:02:14] Adam: It’s a special one.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:24] Erik: I feel so fortunate to have an extensive set of trails that I’m continually being like finding.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:29] Adam: Yeah, I mean, I didn’t even know about Mount Marguerite until, like, last March.
[0:02:29 – 0:02:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:29 – 0:02:30] Adam: Stumbled upon that thing.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:31] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:35] Adam: So many different little spurs and forks in the road out there.
[0:02:35 – 0:02:36] Adam: You never know where you’re going to end up.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:37] Erik: You never know.
[0:02:37 – 0:02:40] Adam: So, yeah, it’s been a couple years now in exploring the local trails.
[0:02:40 – 0:02:41] Adam: There’s a lot of fun ones out there, though.
[0:02:42 – 0:02:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:42 – 0:02:48] Adam: I started out going to the beaver pond way more, but nowadays I end up on the other side of the river more often.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:50] Erik: Oh, you don’t want to go to the other side of the river.
[0:02:50 – 0:02:50] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:53 – 0:03:00] Adam: Episode 0128 of Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast, is, of course, sponsored by our friends on Patreon.
[0:03:00 – 0:03:06] Adam: And thank you very much for your support of the show, helping us to be a proud, independent podcast.
[0:03:07 – 0:03:07] Adam: Couldn’t do it without you.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:09] Erik: Still proud and independent.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:10] Erik: Iron Will.
[0:03:11 – 0:03:11] Erik: I’ve seen it.
[0:03:12 – 0:03:13] Erik: You’re in the process of watching it.
[0:03:13 – 0:03:15] Erik: We’ll probably have that one out this weekend.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:18] Adam: I made it about 10 minutes in, and I had to hit pause.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:21] Adam: Don’t you whistle at me.
[0:03:21 – 0:03:22] Adam: Don’t you dare.
[0:03:23 – 0:03:24] Adam: Yeah, we’re still working on that one.
[0:03:24 – 0:03:30] Adam: We’re going to maybe record on Saturday before the fantasy hockey draft.
[0:03:30 – 0:03:33] Adam: The round share outdoor calendar fact of the day.
[0:03:33 – 0:03:36] Adam: It is January 7th, 2021.
[0:03:37 – 0:03:42] Adam: Somebody at work said it was December 38th, 2020.
[0:03:42 – 0:03:42] Adam: Basically.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:43] Adam: Basically.
[0:03:44 – 0:03:45] Adam: Could be the coldest week of the year?
[0:03:45 – 0:03:46] Adam: Brr.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:46] Adam: Hmm.
[0:03:50 – 0:04:06] Adam: Sunset’s at 4.48pm So getting a little bit of light back I don’t know It’s been an awful balmy winter With very light snow Trail across the river is pretty Pretty rough With those tussocks still exposed We need about two more feet of snow
[0:04:07 – 0:04:19] Erik: Yeah, and I don’t necessarily see anything implying snow in our futures, which, yeah, I don’t know, is sort of a reason that I live up here.
[0:04:19 – 0:04:29] Erik: And one of them is because these kind of winters that most of like the Midwest is accustomed to really, really suck.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:04:30 – 0:04:31] Erik: And we don’t usually have winters like this.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:38] Erik: And so far, it has been a pretty dismal winter, like 30-degree highs, gray, no snow.
[0:04:39 – 0:04:41] Erik: Like the trail skiing over here was fine.
[0:04:41 – 0:04:43] Erik: It was easier than walking, but it was pretty sticky.
[0:04:45 – 0:04:48] Erik: And I could go for, I mean, yeah, it’s winter in the Northwoods.
[0:04:48 – 0:04:49] Erik: Let’s get some cold.
[0:04:50 – 0:04:52] Erik: At the very least, let’s get some cold.
[0:04:53 – 0:04:54] Erik: Maybe some more snow too.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Erik: What do you know?
[0:04:56 – 0:04:56] Erik: Yeah, so.
[0:04:57 – 0:04:58] Adam: Bear grease is still on.
[0:04:59 – 0:05:00] Erik: Still technically on.
[0:05:00 – 0:05:06] Erik: I’ve got inside sources that they’re planning on making some kind of announcement on the 10th.
[0:05:07 – 0:05:07] Erik: Oh, yeah?
[0:05:08 – 0:05:14] Erik: And they were sort of waiting to see what the next rollout from the state would be.
[0:05:14 – 0:05:17] Erik: It’s going to be in terms of what’s allowed, what’s not.
[0:05:18 – 0:05:23] Erik: And as of January 7th, it sounds like maybe things are opening up a little bit more again.
[0:05:24 – 0:05:27] Erik: COVID numbers are kind of on the decline again.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:29] Erik: So they’re going to open restaurants.
[0:05:29 – 0:05:33] Erik: I don’t know how that’s going to affect an outdoor-based dog sled race.
[0:05:33 – 0:05:36] Erik: There’s also a question as to whether or not there’s even enough snow.
[0:05:37 – 0:05:40] Erik: So we really hope that it does work out.
[0:05:40 – 0:05:43] Erik: But if it’s going to be one of those things that’s like –
[0:05:44 – 0:06:08] Erik: really janky and like not as much of a like full experience i could also be fine with it being canceled just because everything else has been up to this point you know it sucks but it i think it might just make you don’t want all of a sudden like we’re doing the bear grease and then like two weeks later well there was a super spreader event at billy’s bar or whatever because well
[0:06:09 – 0:06:09] Adam: They would never.
[0:06:09 – 0:06:10] Erik: No, not Billy’s.
[0:06:12 – 0:06:12] UNKNOWN: Oh, God.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:16] Adam: It was like the most crowded place I’ve ever been in in my life.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:18] Erik: It was crowded considering where we’re at now.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:20] Adam: Yeah, they can’t have that going on for sure.
[0:06:22 – 0:06:24] Adam: Probably can’t have the banquet at the end either.
[0:06:24 – 0:06:51] Erik: no and it’s like how do how we can have corn dogs though well yeah we can and like i you know i would hate for us to come across as you know being these freaks on the side of the trail although we already you know kind of are um to begin with but like running up to a musher you know who knows where they’re where they’ve come down on the whole yeah i’m outside you got a mask on but stay the heck away from me sure we just have to leave a table out by the trail
[0:06:51 – 0:06:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:52 – 0:06:54] Erik: I think that will be the way to do it.
[0:06:54 – 0:06:54] Adam: Pronto pickup.
[0:06:55 – 0:06:56] Adam: Pronto pickup.
[0:06:57 – 0:07:01] Adam: We can have little meal boxes ready.
[0:07:01 – 0:07:02] Adam: Yeah, there you go.
[0:07:02 – 0:07:05] Adam: A couple of prontos in there and a nice ice cold bush latte for you.
[0:07:06 – 0:07:10] Adam: That’s a nice lunch.
[0:07:10 – 0:07:10] Adam: That’s a nice breakfast.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:13] Erik: We need to get some chafing dishes.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:19] Erik: Stop at the chafing dish with a nice, just take as many warm corndogs as you want.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:20 – 0:07:21] Erik: Steam table.
[0:07:21 – 0:07:27] Erik: That’s the way we should do it anyway, because it’s so hard to maintain corn dogs for that long on a stove without them burning.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:29] Adam: We should just get a little steam table.
[0:07:31 – 0:07:34] Adam: Hey, want a ladle full of hollandaise with that?
[0:07:34 – 0:07:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:07:36 – 0:07:37] Erik: Oh, Hollandaise?
[0:07:37 – 0:07:38] Erik: Wow, for dipping.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:41] Adam: Yeah, you need a cup full of days for dipping.
[0:07:42 – 0:07:44] Adam: Dipping for days.
[0:07:44 – 0:07:53] Erik: Well, we are also going to get to a sponsor here from the beer fridge.
[0:07:53 – 0:08:00] Erik: It still has quite a number of beers in them, and I still am determining what we’re sponsored by based on the size of the bottles.
[0:08:02 – 0:08:04] Erik: And then we’re going to get into part two, the final.
[0:08:05 – 0:08:06] Erik: I don’t care how long it takes.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:09] Erik: It’s going to be a two-part episode on Ask Us Anything.
[0:08:10 – 0:08:11] Erik: We’re going to Reddit.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:13] Erik: And we’ll see.
[0:08:14 – 0:08:18] Erik: That one, we kind of previewed the Facebook questions a little bit.
[0:08:18 – 0:08:20] Erik: Like, I haven’t really looked at any of the ones on Reddit.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:20] Erik: I’m excited.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:21] Adam: Oh, I read the dirge.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:24] Adam: Erica goes, like, maybe we should read them from the bottom up.
[0:08:25 – 0:08:25] Adam: I go, why?
[0:08:25 – 0:08:26] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:08:26 – 0:08:27] Adam: Something different.
[0:08:28 – 0:08:28] Adam: Why not?
[0:08:29 – 0:08:30] Adam: Messing with you.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:32 – 0:08:39] Erik: But we are coming to you from the post-January 6th, 2021 world.
[0:08:39 – 0:08:42] Erik: I don’t know if there’s anything that we necessarily have to say in depth on it.
[0:08:42 – 0:08:53] Erik: I think we’ve said our piece generally on the state of this country and its treatment of different…
[0:08:55 – 0:08:59] Erik: or at least how this country views different people and the access that they have.
[0:09:00 – 0:09:14] Erik: And I guess, if anything, it was distilled in yesterday’s terrorist attack on the U.S. Capitol in exposing police and authority,
[0:09:14 – 0:09:21] Erik: as who they deem able to make a protest slash riot.
[0:09:21 – 0:09:28] Erik: And there’s really no other clear-cut example of the different ways different people who want to voice their opinions get treated.
[0:09:29 – 0:09:34] Erik: And if you don’t see that, there’s probably not a place for you here going forward.
[0:09:34 – 0:09:36] Erik: We don’t talk political issues.
[0:09:37 – 0:09:49] Erik: We don’t get political very often, but it’s not every day that a mob of white supremacists incited by a white supremacist president gain access to the Capitol.
[0:09:50 – 0:09:54] Erik: That hasn’t happened since a foreign country did it almost 200 years ago.
[0:09:54 – 0:09:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:09:55 – 0:09:58] Adam: It’s nice to see the terrorists getting selfies with the cops, though.
[0:09:58 – 0:10:04] Adam: It’s nice to see that everybody is treated the same by the police in this country.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:05] Adam: And where were the police?
[0:10:07 – 0:10:10] Adam: It’s almost like they didn’t see it coming or they wanted it to happen.
[0:10:11 – 0:10:14] Erik: Or they aligned themselves with the quote-unquote protesters.
[0:10:15 – 0:10:22] Adam: They were late to stop it because they had to go home and take off their uniforms first and change into their outfits.
[0:10:22 – 0:10:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:10:23 – 0:10:25] Erik: Yeah, so we’re not going to have a big conversation on it.
[0:10:25 – 0:10:29] Erik: You, as listeners, if you’ve been with us long enough, know where we stand.
[0:10:30 – 0:10:41] Erik: If it is your first time listening to Tumble Home at 128, there’s plenty of history of where we align and where we feel.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:45] Erik: And it’s not a hard opinion, I don’t think.
[0:10:46 – 0:10:48] Erik: I don’t think we’re making any grand, big statements.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:49] Erik: It’s pretty much just…
[0:10:50 – 0:11:15] Erik: common sense um sad really at the end of the day it’s all it is um to to know that it just doesn’t seem to matter anymore they’re not they’re not hiding it they’re not covering it up and to know that it’s literally the state capitol police allowing that to happen um with so many other examples of how they treated people in the past just being uh
[0:11:17 – 0:11:42] Erik: physically assaulted and or straight up arrested uh from top to bottom disabled people people of color um indigenous peoples to just have a whole a mob of 200 um fat white babies with guns just essentially allowed access do whatever you want come on in there’s so many quotes too if you just pay attention a little bit where they’re we just gotta let them do their thing
[0:11:42 – 0:11:44] Erik: It’s like, okay, all right.
[0:11:44 – 0:11:47] Adam: This would have turned out a lot differently, I think, if it was somebody else.
[0:11:49 – 0:11:50] Erik: So it should be interesting to see.
[0:11:51 – 0:11:58] Erik: Nothing’s going to change in two weeks with a change in the politics of this country, I don’t think.
[0:11:59 – 0:12:01] Erik: It’s going to be a cycle of…
[0:12:03 – 0:12:07] Erik: Basically, nothing getting done, just by a different side of the aisle.
[0:12:08 – 0:12:09] Erik: It’s not a political thing.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:20] Erik: That’s the problem, is they are making it out to be political so they can divide us and continue the wheel of…
[0:12:21 – 0:12:49] Erik: unfettered capitalism to continue until we eventually find ourselves four years from now having the same argument well we can’t get anything done because we have to get this new bad guy who’s from the right out of the office so there’s four minutes of politics we’ll leave it there um moving on let’s get to a sponsor i’ve worked up a mighty thirst yeah i think we all have i stayed up pretty late last night watching c-span
[0:12:50 – 0:12:50] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:12:50 – 0:12:51] Adam: It felt like a historic night.
[0:12:52 – 0:12:55] Adam: It was a historic day.
[0:12:55 – 0:13:03] Adam: Every time something important happens lately, I’m somehow at work slicing ham.
[0:13:05 – 0:13:05] Adam: Nobody was in.
[0:13:06 – 0:13:07] Adam: It was the quietest day ever.
[0:13:07 – 0:13:09] Adam: I think everybody was at home watching TV.
[0:13:10 – 0:13:34] Erik: Yeah, and we like to be that escape because essentially that is at the end of the day what the Boundary Waters and that wilderness allows us is to escape and try to find connections to where we came from that we can take into our real lives to hopefully put that back out in positive ways.
[0:13:35 – 0:13:37] Erik: But there is still at some point
[0:13:37 – 0:13:40] Erik: At the end of the day, you don’t get to go on a Boundary Waters trip forever.
[0:13:40 – 0:13:42] Erik: You have to come back to reality, and occasionally we do too.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:46] Adam: Yeah, we’re allowed to talk current events.
[0:13:47 – 0:13:52] Adam: It was a pretty big event, and not every day you see rebel scum taking over the Capitol.
[0:13:53 – 0:13:53] Erik: No.
[0:13:53 – 0:13:54] Adam: Defiled.
[0:13:54 – 0:13:56] Adam: All right, let’s pop these babies.
[0:13:56 – 0:13:57] Adam: Yeah, do you have…
[0:13:57 – 0:13:57] Adam: I need to cool off.
[0:13:58 – 0:14:06] Erik: Yeah, we’ve got some… We had two sponsors last week, one of which was a butchering of a German beer.
[0:14:06 – 0:14:07] Adam: I think I said it right.
[0:14:07 – 0:14:10] Adam: I think I pronounced it sehr gut.
[0:14:11 – 0:14:12] Erik: Sehr gut.
[0:14:12 – 0:14:13] Erik: And we had our…
[0:14:16 – 0:14:45] Erik: illustrious intern who’s keeping track of the ever-growing uh challenging beer sponsorships um maybe say that we could choose an easier to pronounce beer for this episode and i suggested maybe some corona lights or something you’re gonna bring grain belts what are these but then i forgot that we have some beers here from james this is uh okosim okochim no okosim okosim
[0:14:46 – 0:14:46] Adam: I got nothing.
[0:14:47 – 0:14:47] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:14:47 – 0:14:48] Adam: What is it?
[0:14:48 – 0:14:49] Adam: It’s from Poland.
[0:14:49 – 0:14:50] Adam: It’s Polish beer.
[0:14:50 – 0:14:53] Adam: It doesn’t look like a Polish word to me, though.
[0:14:54 – 0:14:54] Adam: Okasim.
[0:14:54 – 0:14:55] Erik: Okasim.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:59] Adam: O-K-O-C-I-M. OK beer.
[0:14:59 – 0:15:02] Adam: It’s called OK beer, so I’m going to say it’s Okasim.
[0:15:02 – 0:15:03] Adam: OK. Okakim.
[0:15:04 – 0:15:05] Erik: OKosim.
[0:15:06 – 0:15:09] Adam: Pop-a-dee-pop.
[0:15:10 – 0:15:10] Adam: Appalicious.
[0:15:10 – 0:15:13] Adam: That’s O-K-O-C-I-M from Poland.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:14] Adam: 1845.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:15] Adam: 1845.
[0:15:15 – 0:15:20] Adam: There’s a pretty lady on the bottle here.
[0:15:20 – 0:15:22] Adam: And then like a ram with a cup on top.
[0:15:22 – 0:15:24] Adam: That’s the best I can give you.
[0:15:25 – 0:15:26] Adam: That’s a satisfying…
[0:15:31 – 0:15:31] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:34] Adam: That’s… Oh, yeah.
[0:15:34 – 0:15:35] Erik: That’s delicious.
[0:15:36 – 0:15:37] Erik: It’s almost fruity.
[0:15:38 – 0:15:39] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Huh.
[0:15:42 – 0:15:47] Erik: That goat just licking a frothy mug.
[0:15:47 – 0:15:49] Erik: That’s a great little logo on top there.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:50] Erik: Thank you, James.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:52] Erik: Horned beast.
[0:15:52 – 0:15:53] Erik: It’s a horned beast.
[0:15:53 – 0:15:55] Erik: It isn’t necessarily a goat.
[0:15:55 – 0:15:57] Erik: Yeah, because it almost looks like it has feathers maybe or a mane.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:01] Adam: Maybe it’s on a cup.
[0:16:01 – 0:16:05] Adam: I think he’s carrying a podium from the U.S. Capitol, actually.
[0:16:05 – 0:16:07] Adam: How appropriate.
[0:16:07 – 0:16:08] Adam: Weird.
[0:16:08 – 0:16:10] Adam: I’m going to give it four yeps.
[0:16:10 – 0:16:12] Adam: I’m giving that one four yeps.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:14] Adam: Okay.
[0:16:14 – 0:16:14] Adam: Beer.
[0:16:16 – 0:16:16] Adam: Bottled in Poland.
[0:16:17 – 0:16:18] Erik: I’ll give it four okays.
[0:16:20 – 0:16:21] Erik: Four okays.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:24] Erik: Four okays out of five.
[0:16:24 – 0:16:25] Adam: We’re on the same page, then.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:25] Erik: Yep.
[0:16:27 – 0:16:28] Adam: It’s from Bresko.
[0:16:32 – 0:16:34] Adam: Cheers to anybody listening in Bresko.
[0:16:35 – 0:16:36] Adam: We have any fans in Poland?
[0:16:37 – 0:16:40] Adam: Any fans of the show out there?
[0:16:41 – 0:16:44] Adam: You know, I was going to do a semester abroad in Poland.
[0:16:44 – 0:16:44] Erik: Really?
[0:16:44 – 0:16:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:45 – 0:16:45] Erik: Wow.
[0:16:45 – 0:16:47] Erik: That would be interesting.
[0:16:47 – 0:16:50] Adam: This is actually an exciting beginning to a very sad story.
[0:16:50 – 0:16:50] Adam: Do you want to hear?
[0:16:50 – 0:16:53] Adam: I’ll give you the 30-second version where you get the thing booted up.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:54] Adam: I’m pulling up questions?
[0:16:55 – 0:16:56] Adam: I’m all signed up.
[0:16:56 – 0:16:57] Adam: I’m ready to go on a semester abroad.
[0:16:58 – 0:17:06] Adam: But then I got offered the job as the editor-in-chief of the college newspaper, which was a one-year commitment.
[0:17:06 – 0:17:08] Adam: And it was a smart and sensible thing to do.
[0:17:09 – 0:17:17] Adam: So I canceled my trip to Poland and I took a job at the newspaper, which is, I’d say, one of the bigger top ten mistakes of my life.
[0:17:18 – 0:17:23] Adam: So if anybody out there’s got a chance to study abroad, I regret it every day that I didn’t go to Poland.
[0:17:23 – 0:17:23] Adam: So there’s that.
[0:17:23 – 0:17:28] Adam: I would actually know how to pronounce OK Kim beers from Bresco.
[0:17:30 – 0:17:31] Adam: And cheers again.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:33] Erik: What was the name of the newspaper?
[0:17:36 – 0:17:38] Adam: I’m not sure I want to divulge that information.
[0:17:38 – 0:17:39] Adam: I probably have mentioned already where I went to school.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:43] Erik: Is there a way to divulge it without saying the name of the location?
[0:17:43 – 0:17:44] Adam: I don’t care, actually.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:44] Adam: It was the Pointer.
[0:17:45 – 0:17:45] Adam: Oh, the Pointer.
[0:17:45 – 0:17:51] Adam: I went to Point on the Wisconsin River, and I was the editor-in-chief of the Pointer for a year.
[0:17:51 – 0:17:56] Adam: Instead of going to Warsaw, it was going to be right outside of Warsaw.
[0:17:56 – 0:18:25] Adam: warsaw i don’t think that’s hard to say that either god it would have been cool anyways yeah for sure every time i meet a young person that’s like on their way off to college now i say whatever you do try and you gotta go and do a semester abroad is anybody still going to college i don’t know i have no idea everybody afford that now like i could have went and lived in poland for six months for like literally 500 that’s a cheap education used to be yeah state college you probably wouldn’t be here right now though
[0:18:26 – 0:18:27] Adam: Maybe not.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:27] Adam: Who knows?
[0:18:28 – 0:18:28] Adam: Who’s to say?
[0:18:29 – 0:18:30] Erik: Ever seen that movie?
[0:18:30 – 0:18:31] Adam: Yeah, I get it.
[0:18:31 – 0:18:32] Erik: Sliding Doors?
[0:18:33 – 0:18:34] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:18:34 – 0:18:40] Adam: It wasn’t a mistake because everything I’ve done, it led to this moment, exact day and place and time.
[0:18:41 – 0:18:42] Erik: That’s the name of it, right?
[0:18:42 – 0:18:42] Adam: What?
[0:18:43 – 0:18:44] Adam: That movie, Sliding Doors?
[0:18:44 – 0:18:45] Adam: I don’t even know what you’re talking about.
[0:18:45 – 0:18:47] Adam: I mean, I think I understand the concept.
[0:18:47 – 0:18:48] Erik: With Gwyneth Paltrow.
[0:18:48 – 0:18:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:48 – 0:18:54] Erik: It’s like a two, there’s a story where she gets on a train and then there’s another story where she doesn’t.
[0:18:54 – 0:18:56] Erik: And then it’s those two stories.
[0:18:56 – 0:18:57] Erik: Like what would have happened?
[0:18:58 – 0:18:59] Adam: Ah, interesting.
[0:18:59 – 0:19:00] Erik: In either case.
[0:19:00 – 0:19:02] Erik: And something as simple as just not getting on a train.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:15] Adam: I’ll go ahead and say, not top ten, it was the top five of my biggest regrets in life is that I didn’t go on the semester abroad because I still could have done something else with the student newspaper for the other semester.
[0:19:15 – 0:19:18] Adam: It was just that that one job was a year-long commitment.
[0:19:18 – 0:19:20] Adam: They literally were like, you got to choose.
[0:19:20 – 0:19:22] Adam: You want the job or you want to go to Poland?
[0:19:22 – 0:19:24] Adam: And I chose incorrectly.
[0:19:24 – 0:19:25] Adam: Well, next.
[0:19:25 – 0:19:26] Adam: To this day, I stand by that.
[0:19:26 – 0:19:27] Adam: I did.
[0:19:27 – 0:19:34] Erik: Next week, we will have a Rankers episode, most regrettable decisions from our life, top five from both of us.
[0:19:34 – 0:19:38] Adam: I hope somebody asks in Reddit, what was your biggest regret in life?
[0:19:38 – 0:19:44] Adam: Well, you’ve got your answer before we even started on the questions.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:55] Erik: Well, this might be a little bit more of a challenge to go back and forth based on how the formatting on Reddit works, but I think we are going to start from the bottom.
[0:19:55 – 0:19:58] Adam: I’m feeling melancholy now, the events.
[0:19:58 – 0:20:04] Erik: Well, let’s get back into it with our first question off of Reddit on the Ask Us Anything podcast.
[0:20:06 – 0:20:11] Erik: Clearly, we traffic in the territory of the Boundary Waters canoe area and adjacent topics.
[0:20:11 – 0:20:18] Erik: But as the acronym implies, you can, in fact, ask us anything and we will be legally obligated to answer it seriously.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:21] Erik: This is according to the Reddit bylaws.
[0:20:22 – 0:20:23] Erik: Will it be interesting?
[0:20:23 – 0:20:23] Erik: Maybe.
[0:20:23 – 0:20:24] Erik: Is it lazy?
[0:20:24 – 0:20:25] Erik: Most definitely.
[0:20:25 – 0:20:27] Erik: Are we excited either way?
[0:20:27 – 0:20:28] Erik: That remains to be seen.
[0:20:28 – 0:20:33] Erik: Nevertheless, let’s do this to help keep the solstice demons at bay.
[0:20:34 – 0:20:35] Erik: That’s how long this question’s been up.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:36] Adam: Absolutely.
[0:20:36 – 0:20:38] Adam: It’s been simmering in the crock pot, huh?
[0:20:39 – 0:20:39] Adam: Yep.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:41] Adam: With the beef.
[0:20:41 – 0:20:43] Adam: Now we’re into the meat of the episode.
[0:20:44 – 0:20:46] Adam: Meat of the episode.
[0:20:47 – 0:20:48] Erik: It’s not an episode of…
[0:20:49 – 0:20:49] Erik: I heard it.
[0:20:49 – 0:20:50] Erik: Thank you.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:54] Erik: Not an episode of Tumble Home if it doesn’t take 20 minutes to get to the meat.
[0:20:54 – 0:21:15] Adam: yeah we don’t want to start you know with the meat you gotta work your way up to it yeah geez whiz enjoy the appetizers and the beer some soup some beer to warm you this is from the bottom of going from the bottom to the top yeah you know what they say
[0:21:16 – 0:21:20] Erik: Acid underscore diarrhea underscore 612.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:25] Adam: That one always makes me chuckle.
[0:21:25 – 0:21:26] Erik: Yeah, and it’s an appropriate question.
[0:21:26 – 0:21:28] Erik: What’s your favorite hot sauce?
[0:21:33 – 0:21:34] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:21:34 – 0:21:40] Adam: I guess just standard old Louisiana hot sauce.
[0:21:40 – 0:21:41] Erik: Old Louisiana?
[0:21:42 – 0:21:42] Erik: Is that a hot sauce?
[0:21:42 – 0:21:44] Adam: It’s just Louisiana hot sauce.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:47] Adam: You can’t, yeah.
[0:21:47 – 0:21:49] Erik: What’s Louisiana hot sauce?
[0:21:49 – 0:21:54] Adam: It’s just good old Louisiana hot sauce, vinegar hot sauce.
[0:21:55 – 0:21:55] Adam: I mean.
[0:21:55 – 0:21:56] Adam: Like two ingredients.
[0:21:58 – 0:21:58] Erik: Oh, I know.
[0:21:58 – 0:22:00] Erik: Three, four ingredients.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:01] Erik: I recognize the bottle.
[0:22:01 – 0:22:07] Erik: It’s the, like, it’s very yellow and red and it’s just Louisiana, the perfect hot sauce.
[0:22:07 – 0:22:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:08 – 0:22:08] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:08 – 0:22:11] Adam: I don’t know, but you can’t often find it up here.
[0:22:11 – 0:22:13] Erik: I was going to say, I don’t see that around very often.
[0:22:13 – 0:22:16] Adam: No, you know, it’s, I don’t know.
[0:22:17 – 0:22:19] Adam: So I just end up buying Cholula.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:23] Adam: Because, you know, it’s a nice little bottle.
[0:22:24 – 0:22:25] Adam: Fits right in the front of the door of the fridge.
[0:22:26 – 0:22:26] Erik: Sure.
[0:22:26 – 0:22:27] Erik: It’s got the wooden top.
[0:22:28 – 0:22:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:28 – 0:22:30] Adam: It’s got a classy wooden top.
[0:22:30 – 0:22:31] Adam: So you’re going with Cholula?
[0:22:31 – 0:22:31] Adam: Cholula.
[0:22:32 – 0:22:32] Erik: Okay.
[0:22:32 – 0:22:32] Erik: Okay.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:40] Erik: Yeah, Cholula used to be one of mine, but I kind of ballooned up in terms of weight in college, believe it or not.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:51] Erik: And my diet to like get back down under 200 pounds was just to eat chicken and baked potatoes.
[0:22:52 – 0:22:54] Erik: And the only thing I would season with was Cholula.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:57] Erik: And this was like for close to half a year.
[0:22:59 – 0:23:02] Adam: Wait, to lose weight, all you ate was chicken and mashed potatoes?
[0:23:02 – 0:23:02] Adam: Yes.
[0:23:03 – 0:23:05] Adam: Are you intermittent fasting or something?
[0:23:05 – 0:23:07] Adam: Like a baked potato?
[0:23:07 – 0:23:09] Adam: Oh, baked potato.
[0:23:09 – 0:23:09] Adam: I’m sorry.
[0:23:09 – 0:23:10] Adam: I thought you said mashed potatoes.
[0:23:10 – 0:23:12] Erik: No, maybe I did, but I meant baked potato.
[0:23:12 – 0:23:15] Adam: I just heard mashed potatoes.
[0:23:15 – 0:23:16] Adam: That’s what I wanted to hear.
[0:23:16 – 0:23:20] Erik: And a pan seared, then like lightly salted chicken breast and then a salad.
[0:23:21 – 0:23:21] Erik: Sure.
[0:23:21 – 0:23:26] Erik: But like I would, the only like introduction of flavor would be Cholula.
[0:23:26 – 0:23:28] Erik: And so I kind of like burned myself out on it.
[0:23:28 – 0:23:31] Erik: I can’t actually can’t really eat Cholula anymore.
[0:23:31 – 0:23:33] Adam: Yeah, and do you go for a hot sauce at All Real?
[0:23:33 – 0:23:34] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:34] Erik: Just not Chalupa.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:39] Erik: The whole top row of the Lazy Susan in the corner of the kitchen is like different hot sauces.
[0:23:39 – 0:23:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:23:39 – 0:23:42] Erik: I have a t-shirt of just all of the hot sauces.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:43] Adam: You do?
[0:23:43 – 0:23:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:23:44 – 0:23:44] Erik: I should have worn it.
[0:23:44 – 0:23:46] Erik: I didn’t know that this question was going to come up.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:47] Erik: Should have previewed it.
[0:23:47 – 0:23:52] Erik: I mean, if I had a desert island, like choose a hot sauce, probably go with Frank’s.
[0:23:53 – 0:23:53] Adam: Yeah, sure.
[0:23:54 – 0:24:00] Erik: And I think what elevates Frank’s is it’s got the best consistency of a hot sauce.
[0:24:00 – 0:24:01] Adam: I think that’s what Dodd uses.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:03] Adam: I’ll have to check with him.
[0:24:03 – 0:24:04] Adam: Dodd, are you listening?
[0:24:05 – 0:24:06] Adam: I think he likes Frank’s.
[0:24:06 – 0:24:07] Erik: Frank’s is a classic.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:13] Erik: It introduced me to hot sauces, but there’s a different hot sauce for every application.
[0:24:13 – 0:24:14] Erik: It depends.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:21] Adam: Yeah, I mean, there’s probably five to six hot sauces in the fridge right now, including a homemade one from one of our…
[0:24:22 – 0:24:24] Adam: executive producers, I think.
[0:24:24 – 0:24:25] Erik: Boats and Hodags.
[0:24:25 – 0:24:26] Adam: Boats and Hodags.
[0:24:26 – 0:24:28] Adam: That’s the hottest hot sauce I have in there right now.
[0:24:28 – 0:24:29] Adam: You got to be careful with that one.
[0:24:30 – 0:24:31] Adam: Just a few drops.
[0:24:32 – 0:24:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:34 – 0:24:36] Adam: But I always have a sriracha in there, too.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:37] Adam: You’ve got to have a sriracha in there.
[0:24:37 – 0:24:38] Adam: That’s just good for everything.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:39] Erik: It is.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:40] Adam: You can put that in sauces.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:43] Adam: You can just put it right on stuff.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:45] Adam: You’ve got to have a sriracha in there, too.
[0:24:46 – 0:24:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:47 – 0:24:48] Adam: Hard one to answer.
[0:24:48 – 0:24:48] Adam: Good question.
[0:24:49 – 0:24:50] Adam: It is a hard one to pick a favorite.
[0:24:50 – 0:24:52] Adam: Give me an extra upvote on that one, I would say.
[0:24:52 – 0:24:54] Erik: Okay.
[0:24:54 – 0:24:57] Erik: We’ll do two at a time again, and then we’ll switch the computer so you can read here.
[0:24:57 – 0:24:57] Adam: Okie doke.
[0:24:59 – 0:25:00] Erik: This one will take a little bit more thinking.
[0:25:01 – 0:25:04] Erik: I can see already, but Boone Quest, two points.
[0:25:05 – 0:25:09] Erik: What are some of the best multi-night hiking routes to do in the BWCA?
[0:25:10 – 0:25:14] Erik: The ability to camp near a lake and maybe catch some fish from shore would be a bonus.
[0:25:19 – 0:25:24] Erik: Oh, I mean, multi-nighter, it’s hard to not, I mean, there’s only so many.
[0:25:24 – 0:25:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:25 – 0:25:28] Erik: There’s the, there’s the Keck, Keckacabic.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:30] Adam: If you can get through hike, that would be fun.
[0:25:30 – 0:25:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:30 – 0:25:34] Erik: If you’ve, if, if logistics are no concern.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:35] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:36] Adam: Let’s answer it that way.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:39] Adam: Cause I don’t want to have to think about the stress of logistics and moving cars.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:45] Adam: If we don’t have to, not that you can have fun on a loop, but it’s nicer if you can just go end to end.
[0:25:45 – 0:25:58] Erik: Yeah, and if that, I mean, well, we’ll start with that one, but I have maybe an idea for like a loop option, which would be probably not super multi-night, maybe just like one, or if you base camped, two nights.
[0:25:59 – 0:25:59] Erik: But yeah, like…
[0:26:01 – 0:26:07] Erik: There’s plenty of options on the border route trail to access lakes to actually fish.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:16] Erik: I mean, from west to east, you gain access off of the border route trail to a number of trout lakes.
[0:26:16 – 0:26:17] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:26:18 – 0:26:22] Erik: Partridge, Mountain, Gogobik.
[0:26:23 – 0:26:25] Erik: I mean, East and West Pike.
[0:26:26 – 0:26:26] Erik: Sock.
[0:26:26 – 0:26:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:26 – 0:26:27] Erik: What’s in Sock again?
[0:26:27 – 0:26:28] Adam: Brookies.
[0:26:28 – 0:26:29] Erik: There’s Brookies in Sock.
[0:26:29 – 0:26:30] Erik: Topper.
[0:26:31 – 0:26:32] Adam: Yeah, Topper’s got Brookies.
[0:26:32 – 0:26:34] Adam: It’s a nice campsite in there.
[0:26:34 – 0:26:36] Adam: You hardly ever see people on it.
[0:26:36 – 0:26:37] Erik: Nobody’s ever there.
[0:26:37 – 0:26:38] Adam: It’s a nice campsite.
[0:26:39 – 0:26:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:40 – 0:26:41] Adam: You can probably hear the road from there.
[0:26:41 – 0:26:46] Erik: Gogabik has got two sites on it, but you can’t access the one from the trail.
[0:26:46 – 0:26:48] Adam: Yeah, that would be a tough one.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:52] Adam: The trail site on Gogabik leaves a little bit to be desired.
[0:26:52 – 0:26:54] Erik: It’s a little too far up into the woods.
[0:26:54 – 0:26:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:55 – 0:27:08] Erik: You know, in terms of the, the Kakakabic hiking trail, I know that there’s a number of, uh, accessible lakes right away from the Gunflint side, um, that you can get down to and fish.
[0:27:08 – 0:27:15] Erik: But then I think the most, the majority of that trail in the, like the heart of the park doesn’t get too close to lakes.
[0:27:15 – 0:27:23] Erik: Then once you start getting closer to like Ely, um, and the, the Fernberg, you get close to like Midas and Moyaki or Moyaka, um,
[0:27:24 – 0:27:49] Erik: that have nice campsites and then there’s a a bit of a adjacent snowbank loop um i mean those would be like huge trips to pack in um you know fishing on a multi-day trip i would think even just like a little loop putting in it like the south lake trail camping on partridge yeah fishing right from shore a couple of those campsites are right on the lake
[0:27:50 – 0:28:05] Erik: Um, going up and hitting some of those nice vistas on the border, a trail, and then coming back down either the caribou rock trail, or if you wanted to extend it coming down the Daniel spur trail, which again has nice sites right on Daniel’s for fishing.
[0:28:05 – 0:28:06] Adam: For sure.
[0:28:06 – 0:28:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:06 – 0:28:11] Adam: You don’t often think of a hiking trip also being a fishing trip.
[0:28:11 – 0:28:13] Adam: You know, I know, I know that people do that.
[0:28:13 – 0:28:15] Adam: You got to get one of those telescoping rods, uh,
[0:28:17 – 0:28:44] Adam: with a little zebco 202 reel on it yeah slip bobber that’s what you need then you can pack that thing right down in the pack you don’t want something dangling you don’t want something in your hands probably you gotta go with a telescopic rod my buddy had this one it was like a telescoping like it almost was ended up being like a cane pole it was like obscenely long and very fine at the tip and he said you could use it as like a big cane pole and that would i think be a nice thing i wish i had the name of the
[0:28:45 – 0:29:06] Adam: the product in front of me but uh shout out to chin whisker charles for that thing uh he showed it to me and it’s pretty impressive if i was going on a hiking trip i think i would try and fish with that you could whip a fly around or you could just sort of put a little float on it with some sort of like grub that you might be able to scrape from underneath the rock grub scrapers
[0:29:08 – 0:29:08] Adam: I can do better.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:09] Adam: I can do better.
[0:29:13 – 0:29:14] Erik: Grub scrapers.
[0:29:16 – 0:29:16] Adam: That was pretty good.
[0:29:16 – 0:29:17] Adam: That was nice.
[0:29:19 – 0:29:19] Adam: Real grubby.
[0:29:20 – 0:29:21] Erik: Let’s see.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:24] Erik: We are up to… Well…
[0:29:26 – 0:29:32] Erik: We’ll have to be careful on upvoting and refreshing the page because it just affected the order.
[0:29:32 – 0:29:35] Adam: All right, we’ll save all the upvotes for at the end.
[0:29:35 – 0:29:40] Erik: Yeah, but I’m going to flip this around, and the question is from Phasmata.
[0:29:40 – 0:29:41] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: That was a terrible noise.
[0:29:41 – 0:29:42] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: That was awful.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:45] Adam: Okay, Phasmata, two points.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:48] Adam: Thank you for your participation.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:51] Adam: Welcome to the show, Phasmata.
[0:29:52 – 0:29:58] Adam: You mentioned earlier this year that you wanted to do something to help improve access to the BWCA for minorities and underprivileged.
[0:29:59 – 0:30:00] Adam: How has that been going?
[0:30:00 – 0:30:14] Adam: I’ve seen various Canadians engage in their canoe flip challenge dedicated to similar goals, and I’m getting more and more interested in things like this, especially given how difficult it can be for many low-income and non-white people to feel comfortable visiting wildernesses.
[0:30:15 – 0:30:16] Adam: Thank you for the question.
[0:30:17 – 0:30:17] Erik: Phasmata.
[0:30:18 – 0:30:27] Erik: Yeah, that is appropriate that it kind of came in on this day again, which is kind of a day after a major…
[0:30:27 – 0:30:30] Adam: It’s a day to be a little serious.
[0:30:30 – 0:30:31] Erik: Yeah, I guess.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:33] Erik: It’s like a day of reflection.
[0:30:33 – 0:30:59] Erik: Obviously, based on what happened, it kind of brings back some of those thoughts on the treatment of people of color, lower income, indigenous people, and their lack of just general access to the things that we all, at least we all in terms of people that look like me, take for granted, I think.
[0:31:02 – 0:31:08] Erik: the challenge that we had with it last year is, you know, we, we just didn’t know like where to start right away.
[0:31:08 – 0:31:15] Erik: So we kind of like reached out and did like a shotgun approach and just said, what do you think?
[0:31:15 – 0:31:18] Erik: Like, where should we try to channel some of this?
[0:31:19 – 0:31:23] Erik: Um, we got a couple of good starts.
[0:31:24 – 0:31:25] Erik: I think the closest, uh,
[0:31:27 – 0:31:34] Erik: You know, it’s like either we can like start our own grassroots thing or we can work with people who kind of have already gotten that out of the way.
[0:31:34 – 0:31:38] Adam: I feel like it makes more sense to work with somebody who’s already got something going.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:54] Erik: Yeah, and so we started last year with a bunch of different emails that got sent out to some places that I think were mostly venerated and seemed legit.
[0:31:55 – 0:31:58] Erik: Some I heard back from, some I didn’t.
[0:31:58 – 0:32:01] Erik: The one response to this question was the Urban Boat Builders.
[0:32:05 – 0:32:06] Erik: We did reach out to them.
[0:32:06 – 0:32:09] Erik: That is a group out of the Twin Cities in Minnesota.
[0:32:09 – 0:32:16] Erik: And that was the other thing is we kind of wanted to have it be a little bit more focused towards the Twin Cities in Minnesota.
[0:32:16 – 0:32:19] Erik: Specifically, this is a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:32:19 – 0:32:21] Adam: So they get them an apprenticeship.
[0:32:21 – 0:32:26] Adam: They build their own canoes and then take them on a BWCA trip.
[0:32:26 – 0:32:28] Adam: Yeah, it sounds like a pretty great thing.
[0:32:29 – 0:32:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:31 – 0:32:48] Erik: And then probably the biggest one that we reached out to and actively worked with and are still actively working with and will in the future work with is Project Success, which I think if you’ve listened last summer, you heard us talking about that and what they do.
[0:32:49 – 0:32:54] Erik: Project Success, I don’t have their details right in front of me here.
[0:32:54 – 0:32:57] Erik: So I would say just a simple Google search on what they do.
[0:32:57 – 0:33:16] Erik: Essentially, they work with inner city, not necessarily inner city, but just city, Minneapolis, St. Paul, middle schools and high schools to introduce their students through like middle school and high school up to a point where then some of the older students
[0:33:16 – 0:33:23] Erik: participants can become guides, but essentially introduce them to the Boundary Waters and everybody’s kind of on the same level playing field.
[0:33:23 – 0:33:34] Erik: You don’t have to worry about not having the latest Arcteryx piece of rain gear or Big Agnes tent.
[0:33:34 – 0:33:37] Erik: Everybody is coming to the table with the same equipment.
[0:33:38 – 0:33:40] Erik: And if they don’t have it, it will be provided.
[0:33:41 – 0:33:44] Erik: And it’s based essentially on almost all on donations.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:52] Erik: And we are based on what our Patreon provides us.
[0:33:53 – 0:34:01] Erik: We’re going to be donating to them to at least get one student paid for, which…
[0:34:01 – 0:34:05] Erik: I think is like around $500 to put a student through that program.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:30] Erik: And I know a couple of listeners last summer upon hearing about Project Success took it upon themselves to do some cool things on like, I wish I had the information in front of me, but I know we had one listener who every year kind of starts a fundraiser for his birthday and did a specifically Project Success based fundraiser.
[0:34:30 – 0:34:33] Erik: uh, for his birthday and put that money towards it.
[0:34:34 – 0:34:41] Erik: Um, the problem last year was obviously they weren’t operating their program, um, because of the pandemic.
[0:34:42 – 0:34:42] Erik: Um,
[0:34:42 – 0:34:51] Erik: So it was essentially like just administration and kind of keeping things afloat.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:53] Erik: There wasn’t any activity with students going out on programs.
[0:34:53 – 0:34:56] Erik: They were trying to do some virtual stuff like everybody was.
[0:34:57 – 0:35:00] Erik: So I’m looking forward to… Yeah, it was a weird year.
[0:35:00 – 0:35:02] Erik: It was a tough year to be like…
[0:35:04 – 0:35:04] Erik: We really want to help.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:11] Erik: We want to get everybody out in the woods, but we can’t have these big groups gathering and doing these orientations and stuff.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:19] Adam: A lot of people are able to take advantage of the Boundary Waters as an outlet and just a way to get out there, but get some outdoor activity.
[0:35:19 – 0:35:30] Adam: But yeah, when you’re bringing a group of teens together from all over the city and taking them up in a van to the Boundary Waters, it sounds insane when you put it that way.
[0:35:30 – 0:35:33] Erik: Well, if anything, the pandemic…
[0:35:33 – 0:35:36] Adam: In this current environment of a pandemic being on.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:37 – 0:35:47] Erik: The pandemic exacerbated the lack of access to these places that most of us privileged people…
[0:35:48 – 0:35:55] Erik: I know that’s like a hot button word that, I don’t know, stresses people out for some reason, but it’s like honest…
[0:35:56 – 0:36:09] Erik: We are privileged in our access to things with vehicles, disposable income to rent and or buy outdoor equipment for what is essentially a vacation.
[0:36:10 – 0:36:19] Erik: So unfortunately, last year, I think that even got exacerbated with those programs not being able to exist anymore.
[0:36:19 – 0:36:31] Erik: for people that can’t just drop what they’re doing and go on a paddling, camping, Boundary Waters exploring trip, which is, um, I think everybody has the right to.
[0:36:32 – 0:36:40] Erik: So if there’s any, any time or if there’s ever been a time to make sure that
[0:36:41 – 0:36:56] Erik: programs like project success, um, can persist and maintain and, um, maybe take a little bit of the extra, like, again, not to get too political, like I don’t need $600.
[0:36:57 – 0:36:58] Erik: I don’t honestly.
[0:36:59 – 0:37:00] Erik: Um, so to, to,
[0:37:00 – 0:37:09] Erik: If you’re somebody out there who’s like, okay, they have my checking account and they’ve decided that this is a stimulus for everybody.
[0:37:10 – 0:37:13] Erik: When it’s not, there’s a lot of people that don’t need that.
[0:37:13 – 0:37:17] Erik: Maybe consider putting some of that towards places like Project Success.
[0:37:18 – 0:37:19] Erik: Tumble Home will be…
[0:37:20 – 0:37:26] Erik: We’re still kind of finalizing the numbers from last year and what we’re going to be able to do in that regard.
[0:37:27 – 0:37:34] Erik: And, you know, I’ll maybe even take that $600 I get and do a personal donation.
[0:37:35 – 0:37:38] Erik: And that’s just, I think, the starting point.
[0:37:39 – 0:37:43] Erik: Maybe we didn’t talk about it enough after we kind of brought it up originally.
[0:37:44 – 0:37:46] Adam: Well, yeah, again, it was a weird year.
[0:37:46 – 0:37:47] Adam: It wasn’t, you know…
[0:37:48 – 0:37:49] Erik: Yeah, there wasn’t as much to do.
[0:37:49 – 0:37:52] Adam: It wasn’t as simple as just, hey, let’s hook it up and go.
[0:37:53 – 0:37:53] Erik: Clearwater was…
[0:37:53 – 0:38:06] Erik: If they’re not going, it’s, you know, but… Yeah, and Clearwater was going to get involved for a little bit in, like, okay, any trips that we do to a certain extent, like, that are just, like, little day trips where we’ve got these aluminum canoes sitting around.
[0:38:06 – 0:38:10] Erik: You know, and we can… We’ll just say, you know, this…
[0:38:12 – 0:38:36] Erik: trip that you’re going on this is what it costs to rent the canoe and we’re taking all of it and putting it towards this group that is exposing the boundary waters and the reason you’re here to other people who may not otherwise get to experience it and that is i would think i would hope something that we can get fired up for this upcoming summer to have as like a little bit more of a
[0:38:37 – 0:38:53] Erik: Um, cause we kinda, when that all went down, it was like mid May and then the whole season was going and you know, it’s 14 hours of focusing on Clearwater, trying to even comprehend putting together like a, a program where you can do that mid season.
[0:38:53 – 0:39:03] Erik: So I’m looking forward to working on that front with project success, but, uh, we’re always open to, to other avenues into where we can expose, uh,
[0:39:05 – 0:39:25] Erik: programs places like that um so i think that’s that’s i guess where we’re at with it now tumblehomecast.gmail.com hit us up all right uh next up on the show a pair of choppers two points
[0:39:26 – 0:39:30] Adam: Just read the article that they are erecting a cell tower by Gunflint Lake.
[0:39:30 – 0:39:32] Adam: Surely this is going to affect the trail.
[0:39:32 – 0:39:38] Adam: Your thoughts on potential benefits and unintended consequences of cell service in the BWCA?
[0:39:41 – 0:39:43] Adam: So yeah, this is a serious show.
[0:39:43 – 0:39:44] Adam: This is a serious show.
[0:39:44 – 0:39:47] Adam: I might need to get another cup of coffee after this one.
[0:39:48 – 0:39:50] Adam: Well, you can start on your thoughts.
[0:39:51 – 0:39:57] Adam: My thoughts are, if I was younger, I’d be talking about we’ve got to take the tower down.
[0:39:58 – 0:40:04] Adam: Anybody read The Monkey Wrench Gang by Edward Abbey?
[0:40:05 – 0:40:05] Adam: That’s my thoughts.
[0:40:06 – 0:40:18] Adam: But, you know, I know there’s a lot of people out there who think they’re going to feel safer if you’ve got a cell phone up the gunpoint trail and, you know,
[0:40:20 – 0:40:22] Adam: I’m not going to change those people’s minds.
[0:40:24 – 0:40:27] Adam: I don’t know, but I don’t like it.
[0:40:28 – 0:40:34] Adam: There’s ways to be smart about being in the wilderness if you don’t have cell phone service.
[0:40:34 – 0:40:45] Adam: The end of the season episode, multiple people mentioned that they specifically went up Thunder Point and got service from the Canadian towers up there.
[0:40:46 – 0:41:12] Adam: you know that’s fine i’ve been up thunder point i didn’t check for signal and i guess it doesn’t really matter if somebody else does but it still irks me and it rubs me the wrong way and it’s a wilderness and you shouldn’t have access to your phone now i do bring my phone i use it as my main camera and i occasionally do play miley cyrus in the morning while we’re cooking breakfast on there uh so you know who am i to judge though because i’m bringing technology
[0:41:14 – 0:41:40] Adam: and i use it in the way that i like to use it while i’m on a camping trip and maybe that generates noise that somebody else might hear i don’t know and that’s my main concern though is that you’d be like a paddle enter in your campsite and hear a phone ringing and then somebody yapping on their phone because you know how people are on their phone you know just in public i don’t ride public transit all that often but you hear this all the time like turn your damn music off nobody wants to hear it or stop you out you know you got people in the grocery store just
[0:41:41 – 0:41:42] Adam: Yep, yep, yep.
[0:41:42 – 0:41:46] Adam: Talking real loud on their phone in the middle of the aisle while other people are trying to shop around them.
[0:41:47 – 0:41:48] Adam: I don’t know what that was.
[0:41:49 – 0:41:50] Erik: That was your time limit.
[0:41:50 – 0:41:51] Adam: You’re up, sir.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:55] Adam: You got your ringer set to vibrate, I see.
[0:41:56 – 0:41:57] Adam: I also heard that.
[0:41:57 – 0:42:00] Erik: So what an appropriate time for Tori to send me a message.
[0:42:01 – 0:42:02] Adam: Yeah, text messaging.
[0:42:03 – 0:42:04] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:42:04 – 0:42:06] Adam: I just feel like, I don’t know.
[0:42:06 – 0:42:11] Adam: I’ve certainly been in the Boundary Waters and I’ve been making the noise pollution.
[0:42:12 – 0:42:13] Adam: I’m doing it right now.
[0:42:14 – 0:42:16] Adam: I love to talk and I love to paddle.
[0:42:17 – 0:42:23] Adam: So what’s the difference if you’re just talking with somebody in a canoe or if you’re talking with somebody on a phone while you’re in a canoe?
[0:42:23 – 0:42:24] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:42:24 – 0:42:25] Adam: It just irks me.
[0:42:25 – 0:42:27] Adam: You’ve got cell phones everywhere.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:30] Adam: We had this one spot where you didn’t have them.
[0:42:31 – 0:42:32] Adam: And there’s radios.
[0:42:32 – 0:42:35] Adam: There’s ways for emergency responders to get there already.
[0:42:35 – 0:42:36] Adam: You got ham radios.
[0:42:37 – 0:42:42] Adam: You got little GPS dots that you can send an emergency message if you really do break your leg.
[0:42:42 – 0:42:47] Adam: But it’s just going to end up with people like these idiots in the river who abandon their canoes.
[0:42:47 – 0:42:48] Adam: You’re going to have that 20 times a day.
[0:42:48 – 0:42:50] Adam: I don’t even work as an outfitter.
[0:42:50 – 0:42:53] Adam: And I’m not going to be the one having to deal with it, but I’m going to have to hear about it.
[0:42:53 – 0:43:02] Adam: And you’re just going to see more and more of that, just people not respecting the wilderness and not properly preparing themselves to deal with it.
[0:43:03 – 0:43:07] Adam: And I don’t know, all that takes a little bit away from the magic that is the Boundary Waters.
[0:43:07 – 0:43:09] Adam: Is that a satisfactory answer?
[0:43:10 – 0:43:14] Erik: I think it’s pretty close to episode 5.
[0:43:15 – 0:43:16] Erik: 121 plus episodes.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:17] Adam: Oh, we’ve come full circle.
[0:43:17 – 0:43:18] Erik: The Wireless Road.
[0:43:18 – 0:43:19] Erik: What does that mean?
[0:43:19 – 0:43:20] Adam: Oka Kim.
[0:43:21 – 0:43:22] Erik: Wow, we should have done some research.
[0:43:22 – 0:43:22] Erik: What does it mean?
[0:43:22 – 0:43:23] Erik: Wireless Road.
[0:43:24 – 0:43:28] Erik: Yeah, we went pretty hard on originally.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:30] Adam: I forgot about the Wireless Road.
[0:43:30 – 0:43:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:30 – 0:43:31] Erik: Revisit episode five.
[0:43:32 – 0:43:37] Erik: If you haven’t, I would say my heart still feels the same way.
[0:43:37 – 0:43:55] Erik: Like I wrote a, essentially what would come down as like a wilderness act 2.0 that would protect the Boundary Waters and surrounding area from the wireless road, which is essentially another form of human protection.
[0:43:57 – 0:44:13] Erik: Humans interfering with the wilderness, and I still, in my heart, believe that there shouldn’t necessarily be just superfluous and ubiquitous access to cell phone coverage.
[0:44:13 – 0:44:14] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[0:44:14 – 0:44:19] Erik: But I’ve sort of just kind of made peace with it that I know it’s going to happen.
[0:44:19 – 0:44:20] Adam: It’s inevitable.
[0:44:20 – 0:44:22] Adam: They’re going to put another tower up at Gunflint.
[0:44:22 – 0:44:24] Adam: They’re going to put one up by Clearwater eventually.
[0:44:24 – 0:44:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:44:24 – 0:44:27] Adam: You’re going to have it or whatever.
[0:44:27 – 0:44:31] Adam: It’s going to end up being in satellites or inside of our own minds.
[0:44:32 – 0:44:37] Adam: Once the lizard people take over and bestow us with telepathic abilities…
[0:44:37 – 0:44:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:38 – 0:44:42] Adam: Either way, it’s fine because there’s nothing I can really do about it at this point.
[0:44:42 – 0:44:43] Adam: I’m not going to blow up.
[0:44:43 – 0:44:45] Adam: I’m not going to monkey wrench a damn tower.
[0:44:45 – 0:44:45] Adam: No.
[0:44:46 – 0:44:51] Adam: I don’t want to be the kind of person that’s just going to be out there always constantly griping and complaining.
[0:44:52 – 0:45:00] Erik: Yeah, well, that’s the other part of it, too, which is kind of why I’ve made peace with it, which is like, is this really worth me not enjoying the park as much?
[0:45:00 – 0:45:02] Erik: I don’t think about it when I’m out there.
[0:45:02 – 0:45:06] Erik: It’s almost like I think about it more when you hear about it in the news or it’s on the radio.
[0:45:06 – 0:45:06] Erik: Yeah, that’s the thing.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:09] Erik: But then once you’re out there, meh.
[0:45:09 – 0:45:11] Adam: How often is that really going to affect you?
[0:45:11 – 0:45:13] Adam: If you don’t want your phone on, turn it off, okay?
[0:45:13 – 0:45:13] Adam: Yeah.
[0:45:14 – 0:45:39] Adam: yeah you might end up hearing somebody you might end up hearing somebody being loud even without a phone um that’s oh well yeah you know i mean ultimately you you do have to paddle and portage to get to those spots and a cell phone’s not taking that experience away you know if anything maybe you get to take a nice uh nice couple pictures you know put it on the tumblr instagram
[0:45:40 – 0:45:42] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:45:43 – 0:45:45] Erik: It’s more almost like how I…
[0:45:47 – 0:46:02] Erik: It’s not necessarily when I think about it more now that I’m against it because it’s going to directly affect me, but just how kind of disappointing it is to think about how people will in the future…
[0:46:04 – 0:46:28] Erik: experience the boundary waters which is going to be forever changed by access to cell phone coverage like i’ve never had anybody when they call or they come into the lodge or the email choose not to visit us or be upset about the fact that there’s no cell phone coverage across the board 100 everybody’s always parts of the boundary waters with cell phone coverage if you want that you can go over there
[0:46:29 – 0:46:34] Erik: Yeah, and when people hear that there isn’t, 100% people, they prefer it.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:49] Erik: They love that there is a place that they can go that is just a sanctuary from that buzzing phone, the dings, the alerts, the knowing that you’re in contact, so you kind of have this bit of responsibility.
[0:46:49 – 0:46:50] Adam: It feels a little less wild.
[0:46:51 – 0:46:52] Adam: Yeah, definitely.
[0:46:52 – 0:46:54] Adam: I mean, even, yeah, you can have a weather radio.
[0:46:55 – 0:46:56] Adam: That’s one little form of connection.
[0:46:56 – 0:46:57] Adam: Right.
[0:46:57 – 0:46:58] Adam: It’s a one-way street.
[0:46:59 – 0:47:05] Adam: Yeah, having that two-way, easy-peasy communication with you, I don’t know, it just takes a little bit of the bite out of the wild.
[0:47:05 – 0:47:06] Erik: For sure.
[0:47:06 – 0:47:21] Erik: Yeah, it erodes it a little bit, and it’s already starting to happen before there is that full coverage by the proliferation of the GPS devices that can send texts over the course of the last two years at Clearwater.
[0:47:22 – 0:47:24] Erik: The amount of calls that we get, which is…
[0:47:25 – 0:47:29] Adam: Yeah, sure, you can use a ham radio, but not many people are doing that, really.
[0:47:29 – 0:47:32] Adam: Most people are doing this, and now everybody’s going to have it.
[0:47:33 – 0:47:41] Erik: Well, the problem with the current state of affairs, which maybe the cell phones will make it easier to a certain extent, at least they’ll have a clear line on communication.
[0:47:41 – 0:47:48] Erik: Right now it’s being filtered through a third party where people are out there with their spot devices or their in-reaches.
[0:47:49 – 0:47:50] Adam: Texting somebody at home.
[0:47:50 – 0:47:54] Erik: Texting somebody at home, and then they call with this fragmented, disjointed… Telephone game.
[0:47:54 – 0:47:59] Erik: Like I have no idea where this person is, but they need to be picked up at this spot.
[0:47:59 – 0:48:05] Erik: I’m like, well, unless I have some hard and fast information, I’m not going to like send out a search party or staff.
[0:48:05 – 0:48:06] Erik: We’re not set up for that.
[0:48:07 – 0:48:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:07 – 0:48:12] Erik: Like I know we are sort of the, you know, we’re in a desert when it comes to like help.
[0:48:13 – 0:48:29] Erik: There’s not too many people up on the Gunflint Trail who are just available, but the way that that information is conveyed when it’s over the course of a text message, and then it’s like, okay, well, let’s do this, and then they have to send the message back, and then we have to wait.
[0:48:31 – 0:48:36] Erik: I guess cell phones would alleviate that pain, but I think it’s just going to increase in
[0:48:37 – 0:48:41] Erik: oh, we were windbound or we didn’t make it as far as we wanted.
[0:48:41 – 0:48:47] Erik: And, you know, it used to be, you know, we’ve survived up to this point as a species without cell phones.
[0:48:48 – 0:48:54] Erik: And if you wanted to go off on this adventure, you needed to be prepared and you needed to plan for…
[0:48:56 – 0:49:23] Erik: uh eventualities and audibles and take care of yourself it’s only been the past 30 years that there is this claim that cell phones and being connected to an emergency response is you know the reason we’ve survived it’s it’s not it’s just a it’s a luxury that i think again like you said is is going to take away from the feeling of the park so
[0:49:24 – 0:49:32] Erik: Episode five, if you want to listen to a full-on discussion about the cell phone towers and what we thought, at least then, which I don’t think has greatly changed.
[0:49:32 – 0:49:35] Erik: We’ve maybe just been a little bit less.
[0:49:35 – 0:49:39] Adam: Maybe I’ve softened around the edges a little bit into my old age.
[0:49:39 – 0:49:42] Erik: I think we’re just getting older and less.
[0:49:43 – 0:49:48] Adam: Now that I’m a boomer, I’m probably a little bit more receptive to it.
[0:49:48 – 0:49:50] Adam: But I don’t know.
[0:49:50 – 0:49:53] Adam: I’m still a radical environmentalist at heart.
[0:49:54 – 0:49:56] Adam: Probably most, you know, on the scale.
[0:49:56 – 0:49:57] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:57 – 0:49:58] Erik: Probably we are a couple.
[0:49:58 – 0:50:00] Adam: I want to go back and reread the monkey wrench gang.
[0:50:00 – 0:50:02] Adam: I think I’ve been looking for like a book.
[0:50:03 – 0:50:25] Erik: uh it’s i don’t think it really holds up because i read it a couple years ago it’s like it’s it’s i mean at its core i like yeah but i’ll just reread desert solitaire that’s fine desert solitaire much better stands up but we don’t need the monkey ranch gang is like fiction yeah so we don’t need the jeep chases through the maze bad dialogue yeah what bad dialogue edward abby would never
[0:50:26 – 0:50:27] Erik: All right, I got to take a break.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:31] Erik: Yeah, we’re at 50 minutes, and we’ve answered maybe five questions.
[0:50:31 – 0:50:35] Erik: There’s maybe 25 more to go.
[0:50:42 – 0:50:42] Erik: Back at it.
[0:50:43 – 0:50:44] Erik: The Okosim?
[0:50:44 – 0:50:47] Adam: Yeah, that’s probably the best one yet.
[0:50:47 – 0:50:47] Erik: Okosim.
[0:50:48 – 0:50:48] Erik: Okosim.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:54] Erik: Is done on my end, and this is not from anybody, but just let it be known.
[0:50:55 – 0:50:56] Erik: I’m drinking.
[0:50:57 – 0:50:57] Erik: Oh.
[0:50:57 – 0:51:00] Erik: It’s not an episode unless you get beer on the computer.
[0:51:00 – 0:51:04] Erik: This is a Surly Periscope Pale Ale.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:09] Adam: Zer-Zee-Zoo.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:09] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:10] Erik: I skied 3.5 miles to get here.
[0:51:10 – 0:51:11] Erik: I deserve it.
[0:51:11 – 0:51:13] Erik: I got 3.5 miles to get back home.
[0:51:13 – 0:51:16] Erik: Do you need one?
[0:51:16 – 0:51:17] Adam: I’ll just give you a ride.
[0:51:18 – 0:51:19] Adam: Yeah, sure.
[0:51:19 – 0:51:20] Adam: We got coffee going, too, now.
[0:51:20 – 0:51:22] Adam: We’re almost into hour two here, so.
[0:51:22 – 0:51:22] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:51:23 – 0:51:26] Adam: Have another cup of coffee and another beer.
[0:51:26 – 0:51:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:51:29 – 0:51:31] Erik: This one’s from Have Beer Will Run.
[0:51:32 – 0:51:34] Erik: We have a Have Beer Will Paddle.
[0:51:34 – 0:51:36] Erik: I’ve not seen the Have Beer Will Run before.
[0:51:38 – 0:51:40] Adam: Running’s not good for your knees, though.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:42] Adam: Just going to say.
[0:51:42 – 0:51:43] Erik: Just going to say that.
[0:51:43 – 0:51:47] Adam: As somebody with severe cartilage damage, I would say running isn’t good for your knees.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:50] Erik: Have beer, we’ll ski smoothly.
[0:51:51 – 0:51:54] Adam: Yeah, my cartilage damage is definitely not from running though.
[0:51:56 – 0:51:57] Adam: Can’t blame it on the running.
[0:51:57 – 0:51:57] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:58 – 0:51:59] Adam: I was never much of a runner.
[0:52:00 – 0:52:02] Adam: Just don’t have the right temperament.
[0:52:02 – 0:52:03] Erik: No, running’s the worst.
[0:52:04 – 0:52:06] Erik: I would rather do anything.
[0:52:07 – 0:52:08] Adam: Running is worse than jogging.
[0:52:09 – 0:52:10] Adam: Jogging’s terrible.
[0:52:11 – 0:52:14] Adam: We’re coming down firmly against jogging.
[0:52:14 – 0:52:17] Adam: I’m sorry if you like to run, though.
[0:52:17 – 0:52:17] Adam: Sure.
[0:52:18 – 0:52:19] Adam: I mean, if you like it.
[0:52:19 – 0:52:20] Adam: It’s not for everyone.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:20] Adam: No.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:21] Adam: Neither is paddling.
[0:52:21 – 0:52:22] Erik: No?
[0:52:22 – 0:52:25] Erik: Well, I don’t think there’s many people here listening that aren’t into paddling.
[0:52:27 – 0:52:28] Adam: We got them locked down.
[0:52:28 – 0:52:31] Erik: I just like their witty banter.
[0:52:31 – 0:52:33] Erik: Have beer, we’ll run.
[0:52:34 – 0:52:36] Erik: What’s your perfect Sunday?
[0:52:38 – 0:52:38] Erik: Oh, wow.
[0:52:40 – 0:52:40] Erik: That’s a good one.
[0:52:41 – 0:52:41] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:52:42 – 0:52:49] Erik: Well, first of all, I don’t think I mean, in the grand scheme of things, what my Sunday is, is typically not on a Sunday.
[0:52:49 – 0:52:52] Adam: Yeah, I was gonna say my Sunday right now is a Monday.
[0:52:52 – 0:52:53] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:52:54 – 0:52:56] Adam: And I don’t but I think we’re gonna answer it as a Sunday.
[0:52:56 – 0:53:22] Erik: sure although it’s hard because i don’t really have sundays in the summer i don’t really have sundays in the winter you never get them i don’t like yeah it’s not like that oh you got that two days coming up and then you get that like that okay we kind of have a half a day coming up in there somewhere or you got multiple days yeah or i have just all of the days off like i am in right now yeah i don’t know how you handle your schedule like that it’s very irregular
[0:53:22 – 0:53:23] Erik: Well, it’s pretty erratic.
[0:53:23 – 0:53:24] Erik: It’s seasonal.
[0:53:24 – 0:53:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:53:25 – 0:53:25] Erik: It’s very seasonal.
[0:53:27 – 0:53:30] Erik: But I get, I mean, I know the concept of a Sunday.
[0:53:30 – 0:53:31] Erik: Sure.
[0:53:31 – 0:53:31] Erik: So.
[0:53:31 – 0:53:32] Adam: You know what?
[0:53:32 – 0:53:35] Adam: I had a Bloody Mary the other day during the Packers game.
[0:53:35 – 0:53:37] Adam: It’s been a long time since I had a Bloody Mary.
[0:53:38 – 0:53:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:38 – 0:53:40] Adam: That to me is just a Sunday.
[0:53:40 – 0:53:42] Adam: You know, I grew up in Wisconsin, so.
[0:53:42 – 0:53:42] Adam: Sure.
[0:53:43 – 0:53:44] Adam: Drinking a Bloody Mary on a Sunday.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:44] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:44] Erik: Yeah.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:53:46 – 0:53:49] Adam: It’s not unheard of on a nice Sunday morning.
[0:53:50 – 0:53:53] Adam: You know, I was raised to go to church on Sunday morning.
[0:53:54 – 0:54:01] Adam: Maybe because I was raised to go to church, I don’t go to church anymore because I never enjoyed going to church as a child.
[0:54:01 – 0:54:03] Adam: I don’t think any child enjoys going to church.
[0:54:03 – 0:54:07] Adam: I was forced to go to church, and it’s like as soon as it was my decision, I’m not going to church on a Sunday.
[0:54:07 – 0:54:07] Adam: Okay.
[0:54:08 – 0:54:10] Adam: The wilderness is my church, for one.
[0:54:10 – 0:54:11] Erik: Well, yeah.
[0:54:11 – 0:54:13] Adam: I’m not a practicing Catholic.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:24] Erik: Although there is something very satisfying about those days when you’d get home after church and take off the dress clothes.
[0:54:24 – 0:54:25] Adam: Yeah, that’s work days.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:36] Adam: That’s just work days when I get home and I take off my real pants and I can put on some nice men’s leggings with a galaxy print.
[0:54:36 – 0:54:37] Adam: That’s when you get that feeling.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:38] Adam: So I don’t know.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:40] Adam: I don’t think you need to go to church to get that feeling.
[0:54:41 – 0:54:44] Adam: I mean, I’m not going to go off on people going to church.
[0:54:45 – 0:54:47] Adam: You know, you got to do whatever you’re going to make you happy.
[0:54:47 – 0:54:51] Adam: And I people get a lot of satisfaction out of going to church.
[0:54:51 – 0:54:52] Adam: But it’s not for me.
[0:54:53 – 0:54:54] Adam: So that’s out.
[0:54:54 – 0:54:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:56 – 0:54:57] Adam: But yeah, I don’t know.
[0:54:57 – 0:54:59] Adam: I’m not going to get back into Bloody Marys, I don’t think.
[0:54:59 – 0:55:00] Adam: But it was nice.
[0:55:00 – 0:55:24] Adam: and the packers won back into bloody mary’s yeah i’m back into bloody mary’s you know what i mean yeah yeah um no around the holidays we were like on a stint of like bloodies and or screwdrivers and or yeah new year’s eve mimosas we had bloody mary’s on new year’s eve so all of a sudden bloody mary’s are back in my life well that happened i haven’t had one in like a year and a half probably
[0:55:24 – 0:55:35] Erik: The problem with Bloody Marys is they, I don’t know, it’s like that classic scene from Father of the Bride where he’s in the grocery store screaming about why they sell hot dogs in 12 packs and buns in 8 packs.
[0:55:35 – 0:55:35] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:36 – 0:55:40] Erik: Like you never, the ratio of vodka to mix is never perfect.
[0:55:40 – 0:55:44] Erik: So once you get on the Bloody Mary train, it takes like two weeks to get off of it.
[0:55:45 – 0:55:46] Adam: Keep adding.
[0:55:46 – 0:55:50] Adam: Now we can’t waste this half bottle of Zing Zang.
[0:55:50 – 0:55:53] Erik: Right now I’ve got a half bottle of Miss Mary’s in the fridge and no vodka.
[0:55:53 – 0:55:53] Erik: There you go.
[0:55:54 – 0:55:56] Adam: What are you going to do?
[0:55:56 – 0:55:57] Adam: You’re a real pickle.
[0:55:57 – 0:55:58] Adam: Yeah, I just got to drink it.
[0:55:58 – 0:56:00] Adam: And speaking of, you get to add a lot of pickles to it.
[0:56:01 – 0:56:02] Adam: Any drink with a pickle in it’s great.
[0:56:02 – 0:56:05] Erik: So clearly our perfect Sunday involves alcohol.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:06] Adam: Bloody Mary.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:10] Adam: I’m going to go with a Bloody Mary, but while, or, you know, whatever.
[0:56:10 – 0:56:14] Adam: I’ve also been drinking some champagne lately.
[0:56:14 – 0:56:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:14 – 0:56:17] Adam: Nothing wrong with a little mimosa with your breakfast on a Sunday.
[0:56:17 – 0:56:18] Adam: We’re adults.
[0:56:18 – 0:56:18] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:18 – 0:56:25] Erik: We’re on the tail end of the two weeks of the most alcoholic days of the year, which is basically Christmas and New Year’s.
[0:56:25 – 0:56:26] Adam: Ask me this question in the summer.
[0:56:26 – 0:56:28] Adam: You get a whole different response probably.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:28] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:56:29 – 0:56:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:29 – 0:56:38] Erik: My Sunday in the summer is basically my one day off, which for me as a perfect Sunday would just be…
[0:56:39 – 0:56:45] Erik: Not having to answer to a phone, an email, or any request from anybody.
[0:56:46 – 0:56:52] Erik: And not looking at a clock and just enjoying the day as it were based on the weather.
[0:56:52 – 0:56:59] Erik: Sitting out on my deck, taking my dog for a walk, and just straight up relaxing.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:00] Erik: I don’t know if I have a set parameter.
[0:57:00 – 0:57:03] Adam: Or if it’s nasty out, just laying by the wood stove.
[0:57:03 – 0:57:05] Erik: Yeah, depending on the season, for sure.
[0:57:05 – 0:57:06] Adam: Watching some Mandalorian.
[0:57:06 – 0:57:07] Adam: That’s a good one, too.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:17] Adam: I would say more important than the Bloody Mary, because like I said, I’m not a regular Bloody Mary drinker or anything, but most important would be a really good breakfast.
[0:57:17 – 0:57:17] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:57:18 – 0:57:23] Adam: Breakfast is definitely my favorite meal of the day, and I really enjoy cooking breakfast.
[0:57:24 – 0:57:27] Adam: And I especially like cooking breakfast on my Sunday.
[0:57:28 – 0:57:28] Adam: Yes.
[0:57:28 – 0:57:30] Adam: Usually it starts on Saturday night.
[0:57:30 – 0:57:31] Adam: You got to par-bake those potatoes.
[0:57:31 – 0:57:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:57:33 – 0:57:52] Adam: i’m not giving out my entire recipe on sunday breakfast but it’s gotta involve hash browns and uh at least hash browns and eggs you know and then you can go from there but yep you know i like uh i really enjoy cooking eggs i like making hash browns and the cast iron so a nice breakfast is a must
[0:57:52 – 0:58:04] Erik: Yeah, food, drink, probably some kind of a stretching of the legs, whether that’s a walk down on the shore or a ski or a snowshoe, something outside.
[0:58:04 – 0:58:15] Erik: And then, yeah, just a relaxing day in general, which is, I mean, that’s a basic answer, but I also don’t have a great frame of reference for Sundays anymore.
[0:58:15 – 0:58:16] Adam: Yeah, sounds good.
[0:58:17 – 0:58:19] Erik: A Ruthen Bee, two points.
[0:58:21 – 0:58:25] Erik: in your lives who influenced and cultivated your love of the wilderness.
[0:58:27 – 0:58:27] Erik: Wow.
[0:58:28 – 0:58:31] Erik: That’s a serious show.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:33] Erik: Yeah, this one’s real serious.
[0:58:34 – 0:58:40] Erik: Um, well, influenced by far was my father.
[0:58:40 – 0:58:49] Erik: He’s the one who introduced me to the wilderness, taking trips up to Ely, you know, adjacent to the Bajau waters.
[0:58:50 – 0:58:50] Erik: Um,
[0:58:51 – 0:59:11] Erik: smitty’s on snowbank i remember staying white iron lake uh we used to stay at and take trips not trips but like day trips we stayed in the the resort and or lodge that was there um so clearly like that i mean i can’t get any more influential than that than the person who introduced it to me um
[0:59:15 – 0:59:29] Erik: The cultivating, that’s, I mean, I guess a little bit more vague, probably just the camaraderie of early trips with friends in high school where, you know, it was like, here’s the introduction.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:34] Erik: And then like we took it upon ourselves to like do our own thing with it and start doing trips.
[0:59:34 – 0:59:39] Adam: Camping as a youngster was like a good way to like get out and have a night to yourself.
[0:59:39 – 0:59:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:59:40 – 0:59:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:59:40 – 0:59:41] Adam: No parents.
[0:59:41 – 0:59:42] Erik: It sort of started like that.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:49] Adam: I mean, we did go camping when I was a kid, and my parents would take us camping, but that was more like car camping.
[0:59:49 – 0:59:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:59:49 – 0:59:51] Adam: I don’t think that counts as wilderness.
[0:59:51 – 1:00:01] Erik: Yeah, no, the wilderness aspect was probably kind of a little bit more of a group effort between my parents.
[1:00:01 – 1:00:10] Erik: My mom took me out on a road trip out west early on, and I kind of was blown away by that form of a wilderness and national parks.
[1:00:11 – 1:00:14] Erik: And then there was the whole realization of what the Boundary Waters was.
[1:00:15 – 1:00:22] Erik: And then that all kind of came together when I was old enough to plan and take my own trips.
[1:00:22 – 1:00:25] Erik: And then one of my friends in high school…
[1:00:26 – 1:00:47] Erik: had an old collection of Sigurd F. Olsen books that we kind of passed back and forth so like reading that like during and then in between Boundary Waters trips um was probably you know my my best answer to that so my parents and Sigurd F. Olsen I think
[1:00:48 – 1:00:51] Adam: Yeah, my grandma and my grandpa really taught me how to fish.
[1:00:52 – 1:00:52] Adam: Yeah.
[1:00:52 – 1:01:03] Adam: And I think that was like really the first experience of like wilderness, even when I was like real little, you know, riding the bike down to the river or the little pond or whatever and fish.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:28] Adam: i don’t know it’s not really wilderness either but that’s like the beginning of it for me would be we’re not a fish and like wading rivers and just catching like carp and pike and you know whatever was in these old wisconsin streams down there like those are like the first days where you just spend like the whole day in the woods like stomping around the mud uh you know
[1:01:28 – 1:01:31] Adam: That would, that at the moment was like pretty wild to me.
[1:01:32 – 1:01:32] Adam: Yeah.
[1:01:32 – 1:01:41] Adam: So, you know, just having somebody to show you how to, you know, do basic fishing stuff, you know, that really kind of sets you down that path, I would say.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:42] Erik: For sure.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:59] Erik: And then just, I guess, to continue on with the cultivation aspect of it, like just living vicariously as an outfitter through other people’s trips and our – which is almost inevitably college-age student staff at Clearwater –
[1:02:00 – 1:02:27] Erik: constantly keeps the excitement for the wilderness, especially when I can enjoy it as much as, you know, I probably want to be able to live kind of vicariously through them, um, keeps that excitement and cultivation up and just the different kinds of people that are coming to experience the wilderness in at least the, the boundary waters wilderness for sure.
[1:02:28 – 1:02:28] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:28 – 1:02:30] Adam: Like once I got my license, um,
[1:02:30 – 1:02:34] Adam: you know, and could drive around myself, that I think that opened up a lot too.
[1:02:34 – 1:02:45] Adam: Like right away, as soon as we were like able to drive ourselves, like me and my buddies were always going up to the Nicolet National Forest and like just finding the most like ramshackle little ponds to go camp on in the middle of nowhere.
[1:02:45 – 1:02:49] Adam: Because at that point I was not interested in camping in a campground.
[1:02:49 – 1:02:51] Adam: I hadn’t quite found the boundary waters yet.
[1:02:52 – 1:02:55] Adam: But yeah, my buddies like Travis and Neil were early.
[1:02:55 – 1:02:57] Erik: We’d go up and do like weekends and just –
[1:02:58 – 1:03:02] Adam: get as far back into the woods as we could find that our cars would allow us to get to.
[1:03:02 – 1:03:04] Adam: And then like kind of hike into little lakes from there.
[1:03:04 – 1:03:12] Adam: There’s a lot of little spots up in the Nicolet and that’s kind of where I really started to like actually camp out in the woods, you know, 16, 17.
[1:03:14 – 1:03:24] Adam: That was a real formative years of like getting together with buddies and doing little trips up north, occasionally fishing, mostly just messing around and drinking beer by the fire.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:25] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:29] Adam: Not that I can condone drinking beer before the age of 21, but.
[1:03:29 – 1:03:30] Adam: No, you can’t condone that.
[1:03:30 – 1:03:34] Adam: It was a part of Wisconsin culture and like getting up north and going camping on the weekends.
[1:03:35 – 1:03:39] Adam: And, you know, um, you know, we had a lot of fun trips doing that.
[1:03:40 – 1:03:40] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:41 – 1:03:44] Adam: Yeah, Neil was the one, you know, he’s a pointer, too.
[1:03:44 – 1:03:45] Adam: So is Travis.
[1:03:45 – 1:03:45] Adam: Pointers.
[1:03:46 – 1:03:47] Adam: Those pointers, I’ll tell you.
[1:03:48 – 1:03:49] Adam: And, yeah, we all end up going to point.
[1:03:51 – 1:03:52] Adam: Way to expand your horizons, boys.
[1:03:53 – 1:03:56] Adam: But, yeah, I don’t know, Neil was the one who, like…
[1:03:56 – 1:04:11] Adam: really introduced me to that d like the boundary waters and i had not even heard of it before even college and then yeah that freshman year of college got the job in the boundary waters and then you know the rest they say is a garden walk of a portage
[1:04:12 – 1:04:13] Erik: It’s a sliding door scenario.
[1:04:13 – 1:04:25] Erik: Yeah, we’ll finish just with my experiences with a good friend, Ed, and his family who had a cabin on West Bearskin that we based our trips out of in high school.
[1:04:25 – 1:04:30] Erik: I think without that, I don’t have any idea where I would be.
[1:04:31 – 1:04:31] Adam: You would have found your way up.
[1:04:32 – 1:04:37] Adam: We both would have found our way up there, no matter how many sliding glass doors scenarios you put into play.
[1:04:38 – 1:04:43] Adam: I think you can have a little variations, but you always end up in your place, right?
[1:04:43 – 1:04:43] Erik: Sure.
[1:04:44 – 1:04:44] Erik: Sure.
[1:04:45 – 1:04:49] Erik: Uh, this one’s from go be in my pants, go buy in my pants.
[1:04:49 – 1:04:52] Erik: And I don’t know necessarily what this question means.
[1:04:52 – 1:04:58] Erik: Am I, um, unaware of what this thing is or am I missing something?
[1:04:58 – 1:05:04] Erik: The question is three words long, Ruben or Randall?
[1:05:05 – 1:05:07] Erik: Uh, what’s a Randall?
[1:05:07 – 1:05:09] Adam: Is this a sandwich question?
[1:05:09 – 1:05:13] Erik: I think it begins with one sandwich that I’m very aware of, but what’s a Randall?
[1:05:13 – 1:05:15] Adam: So I guess it’s a Reuben for both of us then.
[1:05:15 – 1:05:16] Adam: I guess.
[1:05:16 – 1:05:18] Adam: Or is this like a question about the stand?
[1:05:19 – 1:05:22] Adam: Is this somebody trolling us about how I never finished the stand?
[1:05:23 – 1:05:25] Adam: This Randall flag is the bad guy from the stand.
[1:05:26 – 1:05:27] Adam: I’m pretty sure that’s his name.
[1:05:28 – 1:05:29] Adam: Are you going to Google this for us?
[1:05:30 – 1:05:30] Adam: What’s a Randall?
[1:05:30 – 1:05:31] Adam: I want to know.
[1:05:33 – 1:05:41] Erik: I’m not getting anything that would clearly point to what a Randall is.
[1:05:41 – 1:05:42] Erik: Reuben or Randall?
[1:05:43 – 1:05:44] Adam: I’m going Reuben.
[1:05:44 – 1:05:45] Adam: I guess I’m going to go Reuben.
[1:05:45 – 1:05:47] Adam: I’m firmly with Reuben.
[1:05:47 – 1:05:48] Adam: Sauerkraut’s great.
[1:05:52 – 1:05:57] Adam: If that meant something completely different than what we’re interpreting as, that’s even funnier then.
[1:05:58 – 1:05:58] Erik: Yeah, I guess.
[1:05:58 – 1:05:59] Erik: Clear the air.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:00] Erik: Gobi in my pants.
[1:06:00 – 1:06:01] Erik: What’s a Randall?
[1:06:03 – 1:06:05] Adam: You Googled it and it doesn’t return anything.
[1:06:06 – 1:06:09] Erik: No, there’s a sandwich place called Randall’s, but it’s spelled differently.
[1:06:11 – 1:06:12] Adam: What about Camp Randall?
[1:06:13 – 1:06:13] Erik: Camp Randall?
[1:06:13 – 1:06:18] Adam: Yeah, that’s the name of the sports stadium in Madison.
[1:06:19 – 1:06:21] Adam: The sports stadium?
[1:06:22 – 1:06:26] Adam: But I don’t know, a sports stadium that would be called the Reuben Bowl.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:28] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:29] Adam: I’m going with Ruben.
[1:06:29 – 1:06:30] Adam: I don’t know what a Randall is.
[1:06:30 – 1:06:31] Adam: I want to know, though.
[1:06:31 – 1:06:32] Erik: Yeah, Gobi.
[1:06:32 – 1:06:33] Erik: What’s a Randall?
[1:06:33 – 1:06:34] Adam: What’s this question mean?
[1:06:34 – 1:06:37] Adam: Maybe on my next Sunday, we’ll have a Randall.
[1:06:37 – 1:06:38] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:38 – 1:06:43] Erik: Well, this one starts with my name, so I guess I’ll just keep the computer on this side here.
[1:06:44 – 1:06:44] Erik: Okay.
[1:06:44 – 1:06:50] Erik: It says, Eric, as an outfitter, what are some telltale signs that a group you are outfitting is a bunch of bobbies?
[1:06:54 – 1:06:56] Adam: That’s an oversimplification.
[1:06:57 – 1:06:58] Adam: It is.
[1:06:58 – 1:06:58] Adam: I think it is.
[1:06:59 – 1:07:00] Adam: People are a lot more complicated than that.
[1:07:00 – 1:07:07] Erik: It’s really subtle, and I don’t know if I could necessarily point to a group that would
[1:07:09 – 1:07:26] Erik: It would be an extreme generalization if I was able to just say one thing or not because there’s a big difference between the way people act on the property at Clearwater.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:51] Erik: and in camp because i know i act differently and my true self comes out a little bit more when i’m out in the woods and i think other people’s true selves probably come out in the same way when they’re camping that it’s very easy to hide a bobby i think yeah you can keep them in your duluth pack
[1:07:51 – 1:07:54] Erik: Well, I would say not necessarily physically.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:57] Erik: Excuse me, in your canoe pack.
[1:07:58 – 1:07:59] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:07] Erik: There’s never been a group that I can even point to that’s like, oh, and then you hear a report.
[1:08:07 – 1:08:09] Erik: Because we get those where it’s like, oh, it’s this group.
[1:08:09 – 1:08:10] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:08:10 – 1:08:10] Erik: It’s whatever.
[1:08:11 – 1:08:18] Erik: And they’re hacking down trees and they’re leaving down, you know, they’re leaving a bunch of garbage behind because, you know, we do tows on Clearwater Lake.
[1:08:19 – 1:08:24] Erik: And so we’ll pick up groups and we’ll see like what the campsite looks like as they’re leaving it.
[1:08:25 – 1:08:37] Erik: And I don’t think across the board, it’s like groups of guys, but I think generally it’s like bigger groups of guys that kind of just…
[1:08:39 – 1:09:02] Erik: yeah yeah like those even they’re not necessarily bobbies just because you’re out having a wild time drinking lots of bloody marys in the woods doesn’t mean you’re gonna bobby a campsite either i don’t even think bobby like i think there’s we might even need to make a different word like we’re implying that the that this bobby character is kind of like a it might hank hill bobby age like
[1:09:03 – 1:09:15] Adam: Yeah, in my mind, Bobby’s a kid, so it’s not going to be a big group of wild teens or whatever out there having a wild time catching green-eared sunfish or whatever.
[1:09:15 – 1:09:20] Adam: Yeah, to me, Bobby is a kid, like a wild kid, who’s just not being supervised properly.
[1:09:20 – 1:09:21] Erik: Yeah, unfortunately.
[1:09:21 – 1:09:22] Erik: And that does happen.
[1:09:23 – 1:09:30] Erik: Unsupervised groups of kids, I think, are probably to blame for a lot of what you see out there.
[1:09:30 – 1:09:31] Erik: But, I mean, there’s also like…
[1:09:32 – 1:09:38] Adam: Um, I’m a pretty astute observer and my dog almost ate your hat when you arrived here via ski today.
[1:09:38 – 1:09:43] Adam: So, I mean, who’s to say, you know, it’s not, it’s not easy to keep an eye on those rascals.
[1:09:43 – 1:09:44] Erik: Telltale signs.
[1:09:45 – 1:09:45] Erik: Yeah, it’s tough.
[1:09:45 – 1:09:51] Erik: I would say, uh, just again, without generalizing too much.
[1:09:52 – 1:09:56] Erik: Um, I think the, the, the level of organization of a group will tell you a lot.
[1:09:56 – 1:09:57] Erik: Um,
[1:09:57 – 1:10:09] Erik: And how long it takes them to get packed up and exit the waterfront is generally a sign of like, you know, yeah, there’s some first timers for sure.
[1:10:09 – 1:10:11] Adam: Yeah, a lot of it goes to the leadership of the group.
[1:10:11 – 1:10:22] Adam: But yeah, also like clear leadership and like who is… To have the conditions that are ripe for a Bobby requires like a leadership group that just doesn’t quite have it together, I would say.
[1:10:23 – 1:10:24] Adam: That would be your initial indicator of…
[1:10:24 – 1:10:29] Adam: Like, your chance of a Bobby in this group is slightly higher than normal.
[1:10:30 – 1:10:33] Adam: But, you know, you’re not going to go ahead and say, like, this is a guaranteed Bobby.
[1:10:34 – 1:10:39] Erik: But, yeah, even some Boy Scout trips that you see going out where it’s, you know, they’re…
[1:10:40 – 1:10:54] Erik: They’re walking this thin line between, well, we need to let the boys kind of take charge of what’s happening here, which I think is the best aspect of the Boy Scout mentality up to a point.
[1:10:55 – 1:10:59] Erik: Because I’ve seen varying degrees of, okay, this is your trip to plan.
[1:10:59 – 1:11:02] Erik: I’m here as an adult and a leader when I need to be.
[1:11:03 – 1:11:04] Erik: Otherwise, you’re in charge.
[1:11:04 – 1:11:05] Erik: It always depends on the recs.
[1:11:06 – 1:11:07] Adam: Uncle Rex is really the key.
[1:11:08 – 1:11:11] Adam: That’s who you got a key on if you’re reading the play in the field.
[1:11:12 – 1:11:15] Adam: You can’t have a true Bobby without a true Uncle Rex.
[1:11:15 – 1:11:19] Erik: I was going to say, yeah, you can’t find a Bobby unless there’s a Rex.
[1:11:19 – 1:11:24] Adam: They’re attached at the hip.
[1:11:24 – 1:11:26] Adam: You can’t have one without the other.
[1:11:26 – 1:11:26] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:27 – 1:11:35] Erik: And the best Rexes are the ones that allow the bobbies to find their own way up to a point where it’s like… You got to know where is that point, though.
[1:11:36 – 1:11:36] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:36 – 1:11:41] Erik: There’s some scout groups that come through that I really have to commend in the way that they’re…
[1:11:41 – 1:11:45] Erik: This is what the scouts is all about.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:52] Erik: The scout troop leader is there, but the trip is essentially being planned and…
[1:11:53 – 1:12:10] Erik: put into effect by like a little bit of a higher up scout in in and of themselves where like their name is on they’re the trip leader on the permit they’re the ones that called me or emailed me and then when you’re interacting in the whole outfitting process you’re working with
[1:12:11 – 1:12:16] Erik: you know, the head of that scout group, not the scout master.
[1:12:16 – 1:12:19] Erik: They’re there because of obvious like legal reasons.
[1:12:19 – 1:12:34] Erik: You can’t have a bunch of like 16 year olds just running around in the woods, but it’s the opposite versions of those that I’ve seen in scout groups where it’s, it’s like two parents or like two friends who are kind of running it, but they’re just doing it because they have to go through the motions.
[1:12:34 – 1:12:40] Erik: And then meanwhile, they’re doing all of the quote unquote adult stuff in putting together the trip and,
[1:12:40 – 1:12:43] Erik: And then in the background is a bunch of running around crazy scouts.
[1:12:44 – 1:12:46] Adam: There’s probably a spectrum to this.
[1:12:46 – 1:12:52] Adam: I’m like chuckling in my head because now I’m picturing like on the farm, like an Uncle Ralph and a little Barry.
[1:12:53 – 1:12:54] Adam: Ralph and Barry?
[1:12:55 – 1:12:58] Erik: Oh no, we have new characters.
[1:12:58 – 1:13:00] Adam: You know, if you got a Ralph, then you’ll end up with a Barry.
[1:13:01 – 1:13:04] Adam: But if you end up with a Rex, then you get a Bobby.
[1:13:04 – 1:13:07] Adam: You could have, like, I don’t know.
[1:13:07 – 1:13:21] Adam: There’s got to be a whole, like, eight-leveled spectrum, eight-tiered spectrum of different uncles and then the impressionable children that they create.
[1:13:21 – 1:13:32] Adam: yeah and i i mean that’s uh that’s pretty deep yeah i think pretty freaking deep uh yeah i think we took that so you want to be more of a ralph than a rex for sure adult listening and if you’re a kid try and be more like a berry
[1:13:37 – 1:13:41] Adam: Who’s Ralph’s wife if Bobby’s wife is Bernadette?
[1:13:42 – 1:13:46] Adam: Listeners, when you have a serious question where you’re like, who is Uncle Ralph married to then?
[1:13:46 – 1:13:48] Adam: We’ve got to expand this whole universe.
[1:13:48 – 1:13:50] Adam: So we finally have both ends of the spectrum.
[1:13:50 – 1:13:52] Adam: This is a real sliding door scenario.
[1:13:54 – 1:13:59] Adam: I think we’re going to have to watch this Sliding Doors movie now for some home cinema classics.
[1:13:59 – 1:14:00] Erik: It’s got Gwyneth Paltrow in it.
[1:14:00 – 1:14:01] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:14:01 – 1:14:05] Adam: Yeah, I never thought that we’d be doing a podcast about a Paltrow film.
[1:14:06 – 1:14:07] Adam: Never said that.
[1:14:08 – 1:14:08] Adam: Never said that.
[1:14:08 – 1:14:10] Adam: Never thought it in my life.
[1:14:11 – 1:14:12] Adam: This is a strange day.
[1:14:12 – 1:14:34] Erik: yeah and i i don’t even know how i managed to not say who this question was from but it was from underscore bunion underscore boy oh bunion boy thank you for the question and there is a second part which uh has to do with coglin’s gear which i think we’ll probably save for our coglin’s feature tribute episode yeah that’s coming up right after tree rankers in february
[1:14:34 – 1:14:36] Erik: Yeah, we’re definitely going to do that.
[1:14:36 – 1:14:40] Erik: So basically he or she, I would say he, boy is in there.
[1:14:40 – 1:14:42] Erik: So we’ll go ahead and say he.
[1:14:43 – 1:14:48] Erik: I feel like we all have at least one piece of Coghlan’s gear that we love, but are too embarrassed to admit it.
[1:14:48 – 1:14:50] Erik: Is it true or is it just me?
[1:14:50 – 1:14:50] Erik: So yeah, we’ll get there.
[1:14:51 – 1:14:52] Adam: We will not answer that tonight.
[1:14:53 – 1:14:53] Erik: All right.
[1:14:53 – 1:14:58] Erik: We’re going to flip it back over to you to Mick Manowaytee.
[1:15:00 – 1:15:02] Adam: Next up on the show, McManawaty.
[1:15:03 – 1:15:03] Adam: Three points.
[1:15:04 – 1:15:06] Adam: Do you strap your gear to the boat when paddling?
[1:15:06 – 1:15:09] Adam: Does it change if you are paddling rivers versus lakes?
[1:15:09 – 1:15:14] Adam: I have heard both to strap and not to strap and would like to settle this debate with a friend.
[1:15:16 – 1:15:16] Adam: I don’t strap.
[1:15:17 – 1:15:17] Erik: I don’t strap either.
[1:15:18 – 1:15:18] Erik: Let it be.
[1:15:18 – 1:15:19] Adam: Let it be.
[1:15:19 – 1:15:20] Erik: People ask all the time.
[1:15:21 – 1:15:21] Erik: Yeah.
[1:15:21 – 1:15:23] Erik: Unless you’re going down a river.
[1:15:24 – 1:15:24] Adam: Yeah, rafting.
[1:15:25 – 1:15:25] Adam: Maybe strap.
[1:15:26 – 1:15:27] Adam: I’m not an expert in rafting.
[1:15:27 – 1:15:31] Erik: What was that, like, poop box that we talked about where they have to, like, carry it with?
[1:15:31 – 1:15:32] Erik: Like, yeah.
[1:15:32 – 1:15:33] Erik: Prepare to dump?
[1:15:34 – 1:15:35] Erik: Like, prepare to capsize?
[1:15:35 – 1:15:37] Erik: Like, yeah, you want to have stuff tied down.
[1:15:37 – 1:15:41] Adam: The poop box tied down and the lid also tied down to the box.
[1:15:42 – 1:15:42] Erik: Yeah.
[1:15:43 – 1:15:45] Adam: Yeah, I wish we had the name of that thing.
[1:15:45 – 1:15:46] Adam: Anyways, it’s a raft…
[1:15:47 – 1:15:48] Erik: What was it called?
[1:15:48 – 1:15:49] Erik: The Groover.
[1:15:49 – 1:15:50] Erik: The Raft Groover.
[1:15:50 – 1:15:51] Erik: The Groover.
[1:15:51 – 1:15:52] Adam: What a callback.
[1:15:52 – 1:15:53] Adam: You’re sharp today.
[1:15:53 – 1:15:55] Erik: Must have been all that skiing.
[1:15:55 – 1:16:00] Erik: Must have been that brain juice pumped up by my legs working that 500-foot climb.
[1:16:02 – 1:16:13] Erik: Yeah, I don’t strap, and when people ask, I, you know, just think about what a cap size scenario would look like with gear tied in.
[1:16:13 – 1:16:17] Adam: Yeah, people don’t realize your pack will float, no matter what you have in there.
[1:16:17 – 1:16:19] Adam: It will float for a while, at least.
[1:16:19 – 1:16:23] Adam: Unless your pack is all cast iron, then say goodbye.
[1:16:23 – 1:16:25] Adam: Arrivederci to that pack.
[1:16:26 – 1:16:30] Erik: And that’s usually my response is when people ask, I’m like, well, is your pack denser than water?
[1:16:31 – 1:16:37] Erik: If that’s the case, it’s probably going to be like 150 pounds, which I’ve never seen a pack that heavy.
[1:16:37 – 1:16:42] Erik: And even then, like there’s so much trapped air, people are worried their packs are going to float.
[1:16:42 – 1:16:42] Erik: They will.
[1:16:43 – 1:16:44] Adam: Yeah, they will float.
[1:16:44 – 1:16:45] Adam: They will float.
[1:16:45 – 1:16:46] Adam: It is counterintuitive.
[1:16:46 – 1:16:47] Erik: Right.
[1:16:47 – 1:16:52] Erik: Yeah, it seems heavy, but it is not heavier than water, which is what would cause a pack to sink.
[1:16:52 – 1:16:55] Erik: And if you do tie stuff in and then you capsize- What a nightmare.
[1:16:55 – 1:17:03] Erik: Now you’ve got a bunch of packs tied into the underneath of a- I’d rather shoot my own foot off than deal with a bunch of groovers.
[1:17:04 – 1:17:04] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[1:17:04 – 1:17:09] Erik: Cutting packs out from your canoe to like…
[1:17:09 – 1:17:11] Erik: I would actually say don’t tie anything in ever.
[1:17:11 – 1:17:25] Adam: I’m just going to go ahead and give a little preview to our upcoming episode of Dumb Home Cinema Classics on what happens when something that’s too heavy gets in the lake or the river.
[1:17:25 – 1:17:25] Adam: Spoiler alert.
[1:17:25 – 1:17:26] Adam: It’s not good.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:27] Adam: You’re going to have to cut the line.
[1:17:27 – 1:17:31] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: The consequences, they’re tragic.
[1:17:31 – 1:17:32] Erik: And then you might lose the farm.
[1:17:33 – 1:17:33] UNKNOWN: Sure.
[1:17:33 – 1:17:34] Adam: I didn’t get that far.
[1:17:34 – 1:17:35] Adam: Oh, sorry.
[1:17:35 – 1:17:37] Adam: I literally had to stop after 10 minutes.
[1:17:37 – 1:17:38] Adam: It’s a little traumatic.
[1:17:39 – 1:17:41] Adam: Next up on the show… Stop with the whistling.
[1:17:42 – 1:17:43] Adam: That’s not appropriate.
[1:17:44 – 1:17:46] Adam: Next up on the show, maps and maps.
[1:17:46 – 1:17:46] Adam: Three points.
[1:17:47 – 1:17:50] Adam: Adam said he has entered the winter season of ice fishing.
[1:17:51 – 1:17:53] Adam: That was really interesting and introspective.
[1:17:53 – 1:17:53] Adam: Thank you.
[1:17:54 – 1:17:55] Adam: What other things…
[1:17:55 – 1:17:58] Adam: that are now in the winter season for both of you.
[1:17:58 – 1:18:01] Adam: What are other things that are now in the winter season for both of you?
[1:18:02 – 1:18:03] Adam: Well, for one, my life.
[1:18:03 – 1:18:05] Adam: No, shut up.
[1:18:06 – 1:18:09] Adam: This year is the year I officially become a boomer.
[1:18:10 – 1:18:13] Adam: So I’d say, well, no, that’s still the fall of my life.
[1:18:13 – 1:18:14] Adam: All right, I’m just joking around.
[1:18:15 – 1:18:16] Erik: You’re in the long summer.
[1:18:19 – 1:18:19] Adam: Yeah.
[1:18:19 – 1:18:20] Adam: I’m a sweet summer child.
[1:18:20 – 1:18:20] Adam: All right.
[1:18:20 – 1:18:24] Erik: You got to get to at least 50 before you could even say you’re in the fall of your life.
[1:18:24 – 1:18:26] Adam: I’m just taking up skate skiing.
[1:18:26 – 1:18:28] Adam: I’m, I’m still a young pup.
[1:18:29 – 1:18:36] Adam: Um, yeah, I like the whole idea of this and, uh, like the peak interest in like certain hobbies.
[1:18:38 – 1:18:38] Adam: Uh,
[1:18:38 – 1:18:38] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:18:39 – 1:18:41] Adam: Fishing is definitely one that fits the bill the most, though.
[1:18:41 – 1:18:43] Adam: I still do it often.
[1:18:43 – 1:18:44] Adam: It’s still like a key.
[1:18:45 – 1:18:48] Adam: I guess if we’re talking about this, it still has to be like a key hobby.
[1:18:48 – 1:18:49] Adam: This can’t be something you’ve given up.
[1:18:51 – 1:18:54] Adam: I used to be really good at bowling.
[1:18:55 – 1:18:57] Adam: I mean, I used to carry a 178 average.
[1:18:58 – 1:19:00] Adam: I was like an excellent bowler for most of my life.
[1:19:00 – 1:19:02] Erik: That season isn’t even a season.
[1:19:02 – 1:19:05] Adam: Yeah, that’s beyond the death of bowling.
[1:19:05 – 1:19:06] Adam: That’s beyond.
[1:19:06 – 1:19:09] Adam: I’m in the AC blue, whatever.
[1:19:09 – 1:19:11] Adam: I haven’t seen Soul yet.
[1:19:11 – 1:19:13] Adam: I haven’t had a chance to sit down and watch Soul yet.
[1:19:13 – 1:19:15] Adam: I’m not sure what happened to bowling, but it’s beyond winter.
[1:19:17 – 1:19:18] Adam: It’s in the land of forever winter?
[1:19:19 – 1:19:19] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:19:21 – 1:19:25] Adam: What’s that creepy lion character from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer?
[1:19:26 – 1:19:27] Adam: The Island of Misfit Toys?
[1:19:28 – 1:19:28] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:19:28 – 1:19:29] Adam: I don’t know where I’m going with this, but
[1:19:31 – 1:19:34] Adam: The thing is, it used to be a thing that I loved.
[1:19:34 – 1:19:36] Adam: I still would say I love bowling.
[1:19:36 – 1:19:39] Adam: There’s no bowling alleys.
[1:19:39 – 1:19:40] Adam: It’s just not realistic.
[1:19:41 – 1:19:43] Adam: So I’ve replaced that.
[1:19:44 – 1:19:48] Adam: How many things in your life can you truly be passionate about and love?
[1:19:49 – 1:19:51] Adam: And so, yeah, bowling kind of went away for me.
[1:19:51 – 1:19:55] Adam: And now I’ve built a disc golf course for myself.
[1:19:55 – 1:19:58] Adam: And this group of friends we have here plays a lot of disc golf.
[1:19:58 – 1:20:00] Adam: So I think that kind of replaced that.
[1:20:01 – 1:20:10] Erik: Well, that season, I would say, at least for you, you were probably in the winter of that season, but now it’s come back around.
[1:20:10 – 1:20:11] Adam: Now I’m back in the spring.
[1:20:11 – 1:20:13] Adam: Yeah, see, disc golf is the reverse.
[1:20:13 – 1:20:20] Adam: As bowling died for me and just froze into the snowbank, like…
[1:20:21 – 1:20:22] Adam: You know what I’m saying?
[1:20:23 – 1:20:30] Adam: Then like Disc Golf, which had been dead for me for a long time, lying dormant, is now the sun has risen again, as Hemingway said.
[1:20:30 – 1:20:31] Adam: Oh, God.
[1:20:31 – 1:20:32] Adam: Yeah, of course.
[1:20:32 – 1:20:33] Adam: The sun has risen again.
[1:20:33 – 1:20:35] Adam: So Hemingway-esque.
[1:20:35 – 1:20:36] Adam: Yeah.
[1:20:36 – 1:20:37] Adam: So you never know.
[1:20:38 – 1:20:40] Adam: That’s the thing with seasons.
[1:20:40 – 1:20:42] Adam: They are cyclical.
[1:20:42 – 1:20:50] Adam: What I always liked about the Game of Thrones books was this idea that sometimes one winter can be longer than another or so forth for a summer.
[1:20:51 – 1:21:07] Adam: Yeah, like, that’s the thing, and that’s why I like this metaphor so much, is that the seasons are always changing, and they, you know, something that you thought you’d never do again, then all of a sudden it comes back in a renaissance in the springtime again, and it’s flourishing.
[1:21:07 – 1:21:11] Adam: Like, I am, I would say I’m back in the springtime for disc golf.
[1:21:11 – 1:21:12] Adam: Yeah.
[1:21:13 – 1:21:16] Adam: For fishing right now, I don’t know if it’s fair to say I’m a winter.
[1:21:16 – 1:21:17] Adam: I guess you have to.
[1:21:17 – 1:21:20] Adam: You have to go through the winter to get back to the spring, right?
[1:21:20 – 1:21:20] Adam: Yeah.
[1:21:20 – 1:21:38] Adam: sure you can have a resurgence but perhaps i am like beyond the solstice for fishing maybe i think about it more like that yeah yeah sure coming back for the equinox again you know maybe i’m back on the upswing but i don’t know you know each you know spring is not the same each summer is not the same
[1:21:39 – 1:21:43] Erik: Yeah, it could be a longer spring, a longer summer, obviously.
[1:21:43 – 1:21:45] Erik: There’s two other seasons, you could say.
[1:21:45 – 1:21:53] Adam: How many different complete cycles can you go through in life on a thing that you actually truly love?
[1:21:54 – 1:21:54] Adam: Sure.
[1:21:54 – 1:21:55] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[1:21:55 – 1:22:08] Erik: I mean, I know for me, like just with hobbies, I can firmly say that I am definitely in the winter of my previous love of photography.
[1:22:08 – 1:22:13] Erik: Like I haven’t picked up the camera and taken a picture of anything in almost a year.
[1:22:15 – 1:22:19] Erik: And I struggled with whether or not that was okay.
[1:22:20 – 1:22:25] Erik: And I think it’s okay to leave stuff like that, at least, or at the very least take a break.
[1:22:25 – 1:22:29] Erik: I don’t know if I’m moving towards the solstice where it’s going to just be gone forever, but.
[1:22:30 – 1:22:30] Adam: Yeah.
[1:22:30 – 1:22:33] Adam: Are you still in, you know, November or are you into January?
[1:22:34 – 1:22:34] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:22:34 – 1:22:37] Adam: It’s hard to say in those dark months sometimes.
[1:22:39 – 1:22:41] Erik: I mean, I was into it for a while.
[1:22:42 – 1:22:45] Erik: I still do have a number of digital SLR cameras.
[1:22:46 – 1:22:50] Erik: Probably way too much money spent on lenses and filters.
[1:22:52 – 1:22:56] Erik: I like what I’ve done in the past, but it just kind of stopped…
[1:22:57 – 1:22:59] Erik: It didn’t stop being anything.
[1:22:59 – 1:23:08] Erik: What it became was like a burden to be like, I have this like massive briefcase size Pelican case.
[1:23:08 – 1:23:15] Adam: It’s an investment both in gear and in time that you feel like you’ve got to keep with it to justify the investment, right?
[1:23:15 – 1:23:16] Erik: Yeah, for sure.
[1:23:16 – 1:23:21] Erik: And then like the that like, OK, I’ve spent this much money on this equipment.
[1:23:21 – 1:23:22] Erik: I have to use it.
[1:23:22 – 1:23:34] Erik: And so like I’m especially when it comes to its relationship with trips I’ve taken in the Boundary Waters where I’m actively thinking about how I should be pulling out the camera and capturing the moment that I’m in.
[1:23:36 – 1:23:39] Erik: versus actually just sitting and experiencing it.
[1:23:39 – 1:23:45] Erik: I took a whole summer off of bringing those pieces of equipment with me.
[1:23:47 – 1:23:55] Erik: Obviously, we’ve got the live in-field recordings that capture it in a different way, but it doesn’t feel as demanding.
[1:23:55 – 1:23:56] Erik: I felt like the hobby had taken over
[1:23:57 – 1:24:00] Erik: the, the wilderness in a way that was like, well, I’ve got this camera out here.
[1:24:01 – 1:24:02] Erik: I’m not documenting it.
[1:24:02 – 1:24:04] Erik: So is it worth it?
[1:24:04 – 1:24:04] Erik: Did it happen?
[1:24:05 – 1:24:06] Erik: That whole thing.
[1:24:06 – 1:24:11] Erik: And then like, then you get home and you’ve got like a hundred to 500 pictures that night.
[1:24:11 – 1:24:12] Erik: All right.
[1:24:12 – 1:24:14] Erik: Now it felt like it turned into work.
[1:24:15 – 1:24:15] Erik: And yeah,
[1:24:17 – 1:24:19] Erik: And then also at the end of the day, I’m just like, I don’t know.
[1:24:19 – 1:24:31] Erik: I feel like I, unless I move or something, I feel like I’ve captured the boundary waters in my pictures and in that hobby, it’s just kind of, I’ve completed it.
[1:24:32 – 1:24:32] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:24:32 – 1:24:37] Erik: Um, well, I think that’s all part of this, you know, like how much more can I do with fishing?
[1:24:37 – 1:24:37] Adam: Like,
[1:24:38 – 1:25:00] Adam: you know i’ve caught them i caught a big muskie you know i don’t know there’s still fish out there for me though that’s the thing i’ve i’ve got some really nice fish on the board but i still i’ve never caught a sturgeon sure you know i don’t know so there’s always things out there to do but yeah i get the idea that like you’ve completed it you’ve like achieved the highest level of a thing that you can ever do yeah what’s the point in continuing
[1:25:01 – 1:25:01] Adam: Yeah.
[1:25:01 – 1:25:05] Adam: Especially when it starts to feel like a chore, you know, and then for a job, I got to do this.
[1:25:05 – 1:25:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:25:06 – 1:25:07] Adam: And then it’s not fun anymore.
[1:25:07 – 1:25:16] Erik: Fortunately, you know, to get meta, like that’s one thing that’s never felt even close to a chore with this.
[1:25:17 – 1:25:23] Erik: I think the closest thing that feels like a chore is when I have to ship things out for Tumble Home.
[1:25:23 – 1:25:24] Erik: Like I hate going to the post office, but.
[1:25:24 – 1:25:26] Erik: Well, that’s, you know, the post office.
[1:25:26 – 1:25:27] Adam: That’s just the post office.
[1:25:28 – 1:25:30] Adam: Nobody’s passionate about going to the post office.
[1:25:30 – 1:25:37] Erik: And anybody that’s out there on Patreon waiting for their t-shirts, I had to make a new order because turns out most people wear larges.
[1:25:38 – 1:25:41] Erik: And I did not know that when I ordered t-shirts.
[1:25:41 – 1:25:44] Erik: There’s just an even number of t-shirts across the board.
[1:25:44 – 1:25:45] Adam: Five of this.
[1:25:45 – 1:25:46] Erik: Yeah.
[1:25:46 – 1:25:51] Erik: So those are being made and we will get those out in the mail as soon as possible.
[1:25:51 – 1:25:51] Erik: Yeah.
[1:25:51 – 1:25:57] Adam: Your comments on photography got me thinking on writing and how I used to write for a living.
[1:25:59 – 1:26:05] Adam: And then I kind of got away from that as a profession, but I was still doing some freelance, which was clearly then the winter.
[1:26:05 – 1:26:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:26:06 – 1:26:11] Adam: And then now I’ve been in the depths of winter on writing for a long time.
[1:26:11 – 1:26:12] Erik: Yeah.
[1:26:12 – 1:26:15] Adam: As a creative outlet, I just don’t write anymore.
[1:26:15 – 1:26:15] Adam: Yeah.
[1:26:16 – 1:26:17] Adam: Have I lost the skill to write?
[1:26:17 – 1:26:20] Adam: No, I’m, you know, I’m a talented writer.
[1:26:20 – 1:26:24] Adam: I can pick it back up and, you know, someday I probably will.
[1:26:24 – 1:26:24] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:26:25 – 1:26:27] Adam: It’s just, I’ve been in a long winter of writing.
[1:26:27 – 1:26:28] Adam: Yeah.
[1:26:29 – 1:26:30] Adam: Will I ever get back to it?
[1:26:30 – 1:26:31] Adam: Who’s to say?
[1:26:31 – 1:26:33] Erik: Yeah, I think my same thing.
[1:26:33 – 1:26:44] Erik: I used to write blogs for Clearwater on almost a weekly basis, and then we hatched the plan to start this, and it’s pretty much been no writing since.
[1:26:45 – 1:26:47] Erik: Again, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.
[1:26:48 – 1:26:52] Adam: Yeah, I’m in the winter of writing, but I’m in the springtime of podcasting.
[1:26:53 – 1:26:53] Erik: Yeah.
[1:26:54 – 1:26:59] Adam: So the lilacs are in bloom, as they say.
[1:26:59 – 1:27:00] Erik: I wish they were.
[1:27:00 – 1:27:03] Erik: I miss the smell of lilacs.
[1:27:03 – 1:27:05] Erik: I wish this time we missed the smell of flowers.
[1:27:05 – 1:27:07] Adam: Like in January.
[1:27:07 – 1:27:08] Erik: It’s brutal.
[1:27:08 – 1:27:10] Erik: Is that your first one?
[1:27:10 – 1:27:11] Adam: No, that was the second one.
[1:27:12 – 1:27:17] Adam: This boat straps and then the seasonal aspect of… Well, I asked three.
[1:27:17 – 1:27:18] Erik: You can do one more.
[1:27:18 – 1:27:19] Erik: Oh, hold on.
[1:27:19 – 1:27:20] Erik: No, I think… Yeah, no.
[1:27:20 – 1:27:21] Erik: Okay, we’re good here.
[1:27:23 – 1:27:23] Adam: All right.
[1:27:24 – 1:27:27] Adam: Next up on the show, northbound and down.
[1:27:27 – 1:27:28] Adam: Three points.
[1:27:29 – 1:27:38] Adam: How long would it take or how would Sigurd be appeased in order for Bobby to be forgiven for an incident that occurred when he was in eighth grade in the park asking for a friend?
[1:27:39 – 1:27:40] Erik: Oh, I mean, I’ve got…
[1:27:40 – 1:27:42] Adam: If you’re even asking, you’re appeased.
[1:27:42 – 1:27:42] Adam: It’s fine.
[1:27:43 – 1:27:43] Adam: Yeah.
[1:27:43 – 1:27:55] Adam: If you even recognize that something you’ve done as a youth was wrong, and we’ve all done those things, then you’re appeased.
[1:27:55 – 1:27:57] Adam: Sigurd loves you, as do we.
[1:27:57 – 1:28:04] Erik: I think any Bobby can be forgiven if they recognize the mistakes of their previous Bobbies.
[1:28:04 – 1:28:10] Erik: I think I’ve said multiple times, my first couple of trips were just absolute messes.
[1:28:11 – 1:28:18] Erik: We had six packs of 20-ounce Cokes, zip-tied glass bottles of booze.
[1:28:19 – 1:28:25] Erik: I remember at one point we were flinging around macaroni and cheese at each other in a campsite.
[1:28:25 – 1:28:26] Erik: Like, yeah, I’m not proud of any of that.
[1:28:26 – 1:28:35] Erik: But, you know, I’ve since learned that, yeah, those are not great examples.
[1:28:35 – 1:28:42] Erik: But I’m not still out there breaking handles of Captain Morgan in the pack.
[1:28:43 – 1:28:43] Erik: Right.
[1:28:43 – 1:28:44] Erik: On a portage.
[1:28:44 – 1:28:47] Erik: I’m not still out there throwing food in the woods.
[1:28:47 – 1:28:47] Erik: Like…
[1:28:48 – 1:28:52] Erik: Yeah, there’s no Bobby that’s irredeemable unless they’re still a 35-year-old Bobby.
[1:28:52 – 1:28:53] Adam: They’re still a Bobby, yeah.
[1:28:53 – 1:28:54] Erik: That’s, I mean.
[1:28:55 – 1:28:56] Adam: You got to be a Barry.
[1:28:56 – 1:28:57] Adam: You got to be a Barry.
[1:28:57 – 1:28:58] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Just go towards the Barry.
[1:28:58 – 1:28:58] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Yeah.
[1:28:58 – 1:28:59] Adam: Get away from the Bobby.
[1:29:00 – 1:29:01] Adam: That’s the answer there.
[1:29:01 – 1:29:02] Adam: That was the easiest one of the day so far.
[1:29:03 – 1:29:03] Adam: Yeah, no.
[1:29:03 – 1:29:04] Adam: Appreciate you.
[1:29:05 – 1:29:07] Erik: Eagle98MN.
[1:29:07 – 1:29:10] Erik: I’ve heard there are canoe routes in the Everglades.
[1:29:10 – 1:29:11] Adam: Yeah, there are.
[1:29:12 – 1:29:12] Erik: Would you do it?
[1:29:13 – 1:29:13] Adam: Yes.
[1:29:13 – 1:29:15] Erik: Gators, pythons, heat?
[1:29:15 – 1:29:15] Erik: Yes.
[1:29:15 – 1:29:16] Erik: My God, the heat.
[1:29:16 – 1:29:16] Erik: Yes.
[1:29:17 – 1:29:23] Erik: Are there any other non-BWCA routes you have explored besides Sylvania and St. Croix slash Namakagan?
[1:29:23 – 1:29:27] Erik: How much paddling did you do when you were down there?
[1:29:27 – 1:29:31] Adam: Because you went down to the Everglades to visit, didn’t you?
[1:29:31 – 1:29:31] Adam: No, no.
[1:29:31 – 1:29:32] Adam: This is Ed.
[1:29:33 – 1:29:34] Adam: Oh, I know.
[1:29:34 – 1:29:36] Erik: But I thought, didn’t you guys go down there like right after 9-11?
[1:29:37 – 1:29:39] Adam: Yeah, but that wasn’t for any paddling.
[1:29:39 – 1:29:40] Adam: Oh.
[1:29:41 – 1:29:42] Adam: That was a road trip.
[1:29:42 – 1:29:44] Adam: We did a bunch of camping.
[1:29:44 – 1:29:45] Adam: We did some hiking, camping.
[1:29:47 – 1:29:48] Adam: But yeah, no.
[1:29:48 – 1:29:49] Adam: No paddling.
[1:29:49 – 1:29:51] Adam: Ed did it, and then he gave me the map.
[1:29:51 – 1:29:52] Erik: Yeah.
[1:29:52 – 1:29:54] Adam: I was thinking about it, but it never came together.
[1:29:54 – 1:29:58] Adam: But I’m very intrigued by this Everglades paddling scenario.
[1:29:58 – 1:29:58] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:29:58 – 1:30:00] Adam: Could you do a Min 2 in there?
[1:30:00 – 1:30:00] Adam: I think you could.
[1:30:01 – 1:30:02] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:30:02 – 1:30:04] Adam: I’m not sure if a Min 2 is appropriate.
[1:30:04 – 1:30:06] Adam: I’d just defer to whatever…
[1:30:06 – 1:30:32] Adam: ever great is there an everglades paddling podcast out there do we need to link up maybe uh have a collab i don’t know i would definitely be i would go for sure i’m not good in the heat um not good in the salt water and i’m not good in the sun but i would try it i would try anything once i remember guiding anything anything look a conviction in his eyes he stared at eric across the table he said anything
[1:30:33 – 1:30:38] Erik: Um, yeah, I don’t know that there are canoe routes to the Everglades with like platform campsites up off the water.
[1:30:38 – 1:30:38] Adam: Islands.
[1:30:39 – 1:30:47] Erik: I remember, uh, guiding a couple of Germans on a dog sled trip who told me that like two years prior they flew to Miami, uh,
[1:30:48 – 1:31:09] Erik: at the airport got in a cab and asked them asked the cab driver or uber i remember i’m sure it was probably a cab driver to drive them to the everglades from miami so like it’s like an hour two hours i think yeah and then just dropped them off at a canoe outfitter and then rented a canoe and paddled from one side of the other everglades to the other
[1:31:09 – 1:31:09] Adam: Yeah.
[1:31:10 – 1:31:13] Adam: I don’t know if I still have that map somewhere in the map collection.
[1:31:13 – 1:31:16] Adam: I should dig that out, but I’m super intrigued by that.
[1:31:16 – 1:31:17] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:31:17 – 1:31:21] Erik: There’s… Well, I know Ed, the Everglades is different from what he did.
[1:31:21 – 1:31:24] Erik: He was on like the 1000 Island Wilderness, which is on the coast.
[1:31:24 – 1:31:29] Adam: Yeah, it was more of a coastal lagoon setup.
[1:31:29 – 1:31:34] Erik: Not like the middle of Florida, just like basically a watery grass field.
[1:31:35 – 1:31:37] Adam: Full of lizard people in their true form.
[1:31:38 – 1:31:41] Erik: I don’t know if I would be super excited to do like an Everglades paddle.
[1:31:42 – 1:31:42] Erik: Yeah.
[1:31:43 – 1:31:44] Erik: It seems kind of like flat and…
[1:31:46 – 1:32:09] Adam: just it would be fun i mean i could do a day trip i don’t know if i’m doing like a cross a train whenever we can safely do a road trip to florida again we should go all right well we’ll follow strap a couple min twos to the roof of the the van and head on down um i don’t know i always had a dream uh you know when i was younger of just paddling the entire mississippi river
[1:32:10 – 1:32:10] Adam: That would be wild.
[1:32:11 – 1:32:12] Adam: It’s not really a wilderness.
[1:32:13 – 1:32:14] Adam: I’ll check that.
[1:32:14 – 1:32:15] Adam: It’s not a wilderness.
[1:32:16 – 1:32:21] Adam: It would be disgusting, and I’m sure I would hate it most of the time, but I think it would be an adventure.
[1:32:21 – 1:32:22] Erik: I don’t know if it’d be disgusting.
[1:32:23 – 1:32:31] Erik: Really, I would say the vast majority of it would be through pretty pastoral landscapes.
[1:32:31 – 1:32:33] Erik: Really, how long would it take to get through?
[1:32:33 – 1:32:34] Erik: How many cities are on the way?
[1:32:35 – 1:32:39] Erik: St. Paul, Minneapolis, St. Louis.
[1:32:40 – 1:32:44] Erik: It’s not like there’s just a horrible sewage facility plant the whole way.
[1:32:44 – 1:32:51] Adam: It’d be like when Delmar’s riding a desk in the end of, what do you call it?
[1:32:52 – 1:32:55] Adam: I have no idea what you’re talking about.
[1:32:57 – 1:33:00] Adam: The Man of Constant Sorrow on the Soggy Bottom Boys.
[1:33:01 – 1:33:02] Adam: Oh, brother, where are you?
[1:33:02 – 1:33:02] Erik: Oh, okay.
[1:33:02 – 1:33:03] Erik: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:33:03 – 1:33:07] Erik: And you go, you will see a cow on top of a milk shed.
[1:33:08 – 1:33:12] Adam: Like, that’s just riding a desk down a murky old river.
[1:33:12 – 1:33:14] Adam: Like, that’s how I feel like it would end up being by the end of that trip.
[1:33:15 – 1:33:15] Adam: I just…
[1:33:15 – 1:33:21] Adam: I don’t think I would actually enjoy it, but I still kind of want to do the Mississippi River end-to-end.
[1:33:21 – 1:33:23] Adam: I’ll end up down there in New Orleans.
[1:33:25 – 1:33:27] Adam: I don’t know if that qualifies for this question.
[1:33:28 – 1:33:41] Adam: I don’t have any other like great suggestions on just like paddling areas or, you know, there’s spots you can go in Northern Wisconsin where you can kind of do a portage here or there and, uh, you know, have some remote lakes to camp on, but it doesn’t compare.
[1:33:41 – 1:33:43] Adam: I mean, honestly, Sylvania doesn’t compare either.
[1:33:43 – 1:33:44] Adam: No.
[1:33:44 – 1:33:49] Adam: The Namakagan is closer to the Boundary Waters for me than, or whatever the St. Croix than Sylvania is.
[1:33:50 – 1:33:53] Adam: At least there, you know, you really have the river to yourself at night.
[1:33:53 – 1:33:54] Erik: Um, but, uh,
[1:33:55 – 1:33:56] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:33:56 – 1:33:58] Adam: I mean, you got to look north, I would say.
[1:33:58 – 1:33:59] Adam: Wabakimi.
[1:33:59 – 1:34:02] Adam: That would be the one in my radar that I’ve not been to.
[1:34:02 – 1:34:03] Adam: Yeah.
[1:34:03 – 1:34:09] Adam: Get up to Wabakimi or, you know, like go paddle the Yukon River Quest someday.
[1:34:09 – 1:34:10] Adam: Yeah.
[1:34:10 – 1:34:11] Adam: That’s a whole different scenario.
[1:34:11 – 1:34:11] Adam: Yeah.
[1:34:11 – 1:34:19] Erik: The other question of non-BWCA routes that you have explored besides Sylvania and St. Croix slash Namakagan.
[1:34:19 – 1:34:20] Erik: I don’t know if I’ve got too many.
[1:34:21 – 1:34:41] Adam: if any at all yeah well it’s a pretty rare thing that’s what i’m saying you’d have to go north honestly to find anything else i mean that would be comparable um you know the everglades thing i’m sure it’s fine but might get run over by uh joe pesci driving a fan boat you don’t want to have that happen yeah what
[1:34:43 – 1:34:56] Erik: Cabin after, if you could wave your magic wand and move one town slash city onto the edge of the BWCA slash North Shore, what slash which would it be?
[1:34:57 – 1:34:57] Erik: What?
[1:34:58 – 1:35:03] Adam: You can move a town up to the Boundary Waters.
[1:35:03 – 1:35:03] Adam: Yeah.
[1:35:04 – 1:35:06] Adam: Instead, like, would you replace a town?
[1:35:06 – 1:35:11] Adam: Like, we’re going to just get rid of Isabella and we can move Viroqua, Wisconsin in there?
[1:35:11 – 1:35:13] Erik: Yeah, that’s kind of the question.
[1:35:13 – 1:35:15] Erik: And then also, Adam, what is your wand core?
[1:35:16 – 1:35:40] Adam: oh phoenix uh tail feather obviously god i was gonna actually say that i’m glad that they asked yeah i mean the boring answer is i wouldn’t move any town i don’t know i i honestly don’t think i would move any town my one request out there that you really what about uh what’s the town in germany you guys really liked uh just put that in there that’d be cute instead of ely
[1:35:40 – 1:35:41] Erik: No, no.
[1:35:42 – 1:35:43] Erik: It doesn’t make any sense to me.
[1:35:43 – 1:35:46] Adam: We’re not getting rid of Grand Marais, obviously.
[1:35:46 – 1:35:56] Erik: No, I guess what I would maybe do or try to suggest would be maybe a little bit more going on in Isabella.
[1:35:57 – 1:36:03] Adam: Yeah, we’ll get rid of Isabella and we’ll put… Not get rid of it, just make it a little bit more vibrant.
[1:36:03 – 1:36:06] Adam: What’s the name of the… Rottenberg an der Taube?
[1:36:06 – 1:36:06] Erik: Yeah.
[1:36:06 – 1:36:09] Erik: That’s just like a Christmas town with an old medieval wall.
[1:36:09 – 1:36:11] Adam: We’ll put that at Isabella.
[1:36:11 – 1:36:11] Adam: That’s the answer.
[1:36:12 – 1:36:12] Erik: Okay.
[1:36:12 – 1:36:15] Adam: I’ve never been there, but I’ve seen pictures.
[1:36:16 – 1:36:17] Adam: That or Viroqua.
[1:36:17 – 1:36:18] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:36:18 – 1:36:19] Adam: I like Viroqua for some reason.
[1:36:20 – 1:36:20] Erik: Sure.
[1:36:20 – 1:36:20] Adam: Why?
[1:36:21 – 1:36:22] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:36:22 – 1:36:23] Adam: It’s a cute little town.
[1:36:24 – 1:36:26] Adam: I don’t think it would really fit there, though.
[1:36:27 – 1:36:27] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:36:27 – 1:36:28] Adam: That’s a tough question.
[1:36:29 – 1:36:29] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[1:36:29 – 1:36:30] Erik: Just leave it as it is.
[1:36:30 – 1:36:34] Erik: I like all of the little towns that I like just because of where they are.
[1:36:35 – 1:36:35] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:36:38 – 1:36:40] Adam: Next up on the show, Lord Westmarch.
[1:36:41 – 1:36:42] Adam: Three points.
[1:36:43 – 1:36:45] Adam: What brand and model do you like for camp slippers?
[1:36:45 – 1:36:45] Adam: Camp slippers.
[1:36:46 – 1:36:48] Erik: Do you even know what your brand and model is at this point?
[1:36:48 – 1:36:48] Adam: Well, they’re Keens.
[1:36:49 – 1:36:50] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:36:50 – 1:36:55] Adam: The ones I’ve been using the last couple of years are those Keens, and they’re more like a loafer, like a slip-on loafer.
[1:36:56 – 1:36:57] Adam: It’s got a real nice…
[1:36:57 – 1:36:58] Adam: Here’s the key.
[1:36:58 – 1:37:04] Adam: It’s got to be… You got to be able to slip it on easy with no, like, heel connector.
[1:37:04 – 1:37:07] Adam: And then also, but, like, you can pull the heel up if you really got to, like…
[1:37:07 – 1:37:25] Adam: a tricky um you know brown volcano scenario yeah you gotta have some grip and it’s gotta have a good uh like a real soul like you should be able to wear these to the grocery store also that’s a good camp slipper if it’s just an actual like house slipper that’s no good
[1:37:26 – 1:37:28] Adam: You know, that’s what I’m going with.
[1:37:28 – 1:37:29] Adam: Mine were Keens.
[1:37:30 – 1:37:31] Adam: I don’t remember the name of the model.
[1:37:32 – 1:37:37] Adam: But I think those have reached the winter of their life.
[1:37:37 – 1:37:39] Erik: They’re looking a little wintry.
[1:37:39 – 1:37:40] Adam: Well, they got thrown out.
[1:37:40 – 1:37:43] Adam: So I’m actually in the… You’re in the slipper market?
[1:37:44 – 1:37:48] Adam: Well, I have a new house slipper, but they’re not appropriate for going in the…
[1:37:48 – 1:37:49] Adam: They’re a house slipper.
[1:37:49 – 1:37:52] Adam: They’re not appropriate for going outside at all, let alone camping.
[1:37:53 – 1:37:53] Erik: Yeah.
[1:37:53 – 1:37:55] Adam: So I’m actually in the market for a new camp slipper.
[1:37:57 – 1:38:00] Adam: So if anybody’s got any suggestions, but those Keens always treated me right.
[1:38:00 – 1:38:02] Adam: I got like a good six, seven years out of those things.
[1:38:03 – 1:38:03] Erik: Nice.
[1:38:04 – 1:38:07] Adam: Yeah, I don’t wear a camp slipper, so I don’t have… Yeah, Eric just wears…
[1:38:07 – 1:38:08] Erik: I just wear Chacos with socks.
[1:38:08 – 1:38:10] Adam: Yeah, Chacos is your answer.
[1:38:10 – 1:38:11] Adam: Basically, my answer is socks.
[1:38:12 – 1:38:12] Adam: Nice.
[1:38:12 – 1:38:16] Adam: You got to keep one pair of socks just for at night in the camp with your Chacos.
[1:38:16 – 1:38:18] Adam: So Eric’s going with a Chaco.
[1:38:18 – 1:38:20] Adam: I’m still going with a Keen slip-on loafer.
[1:38:21 – 1:38:22] Adam: That’s the answer there.
[1:38:22 – 1:38:24] Adam: Next up on the show, Lost Paddler, three points.
[1:38:25 – 1:38:27] Adam: So win at camp in the buff…
[1:38:28 – 1:38:28] Adam: Hold on.
[1:38:29 – 1:38:33] Adam: So when at camp in the buff, do you use SPF 30 or 50?
[1:38:34 – 1:38:38] Adam: I prefer the 50 just because I sometimes fall asleep in my chair.
[1:38:41 – 1:38:43] Adam: Um, yeah, I don’t always go with more.
[1:38:43 – 1:38:44] Adam: Yeah.
[1:38:44 – 1:38:45] Adam: I’m pretty pale.
[1:38:45 – 1:38:46] Erik: Always the most.
[1:38:46 – 1:38:48] Adam: I have red hair.
[1:38:48 – 1:38:53] Adam: I’m not a ginger, but I, I do have red hair and very pale skin.
[1:38:53 – 1:38:54] Adam: So I’m going 50.
[1:38:55 – 1:38:55] Adam: Yeah.
[1:38:55 – 1:38:56] Adam: Especially if you’re in the buff.
[1:38:57 – 1:38:57] Erik: Well, yeah.
[1:38:57 – 1:39:00] Erik: And I’m not, I’m not typically in the buff for very long.
[1:39:01 – 1:39:01] Adam: Yeah.
[1:39:01 – 1:39:04] Adam: That’s the other key is only allow your shirt to be off.
[1:39:04 – 1:39:05] Erik: Yeah.
[1:39:06 – 1:39:12] Adam: I will leave my pants off for a good hour or two, but you got to really limit that shirt off time to 30 minutes or less.
[1:39:13 – 1:39:16] Adam: Even if you have SPF 50, nobody wants to get sunburned.
[1:39:16 – 1:39:17] Adam: It’s got to be one of the worst things you can do.
[1:39:18 – 1:39:21] Erik: Well, especially in places that make you buff.
[1:39:22 – 1:39:24] Erik: You don’t want to get burnt in any of those spots.
[1:39:24 – 1:39:25] Adam: No good.
[1:39:25 – 1:39:26] Adam: Yeah, and that’s the thing.
[1:39:27 – 1:39:31] Adam: Those are untouched by the sun’s rays usually, so it’s extra.
[1:39:32 – 1:39:34] Adam: Hell, if you can get SPF 100, go for that.
[1:39:37 – 1:39:39] Erik: I think 100 is just clothes.
[1:39:40 – 1:39:42] Adam: Keep your shirt on, yeah.
[1:39:42 – 1:39:43] Adam: I need to take another break.
[1:39:44 – 1:39:45] Adam: My coffee’s gone.
[1:39:45 – 1:39:46] Adam: My beer’s gone.
[1:39:46 – 1:39:47] Adam: It’s time to get a White Claw, I think.
[1:39:48 – 1:39:48] Erik: All right.
[1:39:48 – 1:39:51] Erik: We’ve got a lot of questions still.
[1:39:51 – 1:40:01] Erik: Hard to say as to whether or not I’ve got enough time to keep going.
[1:40:01 – 1:40:02] Erik: I’d like to ski home.
[1:40:03 – 1:40:05] Adam: The suns are hitting the tops of the trees.
[1:40:05 – 1:40:06] Adam: Should we just end it?
[1:40:06 – 1:40:07] Adam: It’s that hour 40.
[1:40:07 – 1:40:10] Adam: We have enough for Ask Us Anything Part 3.
[1:40:10 – 1:40:13] Adam: You promised at the top of the show we were going to finish it.
[1:40:13 – 1:40:14] Adam: I mean, I can give you a ride home.
[1:40:14 – 1:40:15] Adam: You don’t have to ski.
[1:40:16 – 1:40:17] Adam: But I do have a lot of cleaning to do.
[1:40:18 – 1:40:19] Adam: So it’s your call.
[1:40:21 – 1:40:24] Erik: Just a couple of liars coming at you here.
[1:40:25 – 1:40:28] Erik: Promises unfulfilled and broken.
[1:40:30 – 1:40:32] Erik: We’re going to answer a couple more and then we’re going to get out.
[1:40:33 – 1:40:35] Erik: There’s way too many questions to…
[1:40:35 – 1:40:38] Adam: Well, we want to do them all and give them all full attention.
[1:40:38 – 1:40:42] Adam: I don’t want to be skimming over at the end.
[1:40:42 – 1:40:47] Adam: For one, a lot of the questions previously asked on this episode have been pretty good questions.
[1:40:48 – 1:40:53] Erik: They’ve been very good questions, and I don’t want to give any of them going forward short shrift.
[1:40:53 – 1:40:53] Adam: Yeah.
[1:40:53 – 1:40:55] Adam: Well, that’s the way it goes.
[1:40:55 – 1:41:00] Adam: And I was just telling Eric, I can’t handle another three-hour episode, let alone a two-hour episode.
[1:41:00 – 1:41:01] Adam: That’s just too much.
[1:41:01 – 1:41:02] Adam: I mean, I feel like… Nobody needs that.
[1:41:03 – 1:41:08] Erik: I think people appreciated the one that came out that was three hours when it did.
[1:41:09 – 1:41:10] Erik: Holiday special.
[1:41:10 – 1:41:10] Erik: Yeah.
[1:41:11 – 1:41:19] Erik: I know most of the podcasts I listen to take a break for two weeks around the holidays, so I know I was like… No, we’re doing a three-hour one on the holidays.
[1:41:19 – 1:41:19] Erik: Yeah.
[1:41:20 – 1:41:21] Erik: So we’re going to do a couple more here.
[1:41:22 – 1:41:29] Erik: So if you are listening and you want to ask us a question still, you’ve got another week.
[1:41:29 – 1:41:31] Erik: Not once, not twice, but thrice.
[1:41:32 – 1:41:38] Erik: Three weeks of Ask Us Anything to keep it, I guess, manageable.
[1:41:38 – 1:41:39] Erik: Wow, wow, wow.
[1:41:40 – 1:41:47] Erik: I would suggest emailing me directly or us directly, I should say, at tumblehomecasts at gmail.com.
[1:41:47 – 1:41:49] Adam: And don’t anybody upvote or downvote anything.
[1:41:49 – 1:41:50] Adam: You’re going to mess with the order.
[1:41:50 – 1:41:52] Erik: Yeah, I’m going to have to go through and like… Do you lock it?
[1:41:53 – 1:41:54] Adam: Lock that thread.
[1:41:54 – 1:41:55] Erik: Just lock it down.
[1:41:56 – 1:42:03] Erik: Definitely going to like probably screenshot where we’re at with questions so we don’t lose track.
[1:42:04 – 1:42:09] Erik: But I would suggest do not ask another question to us in the original question of the week on Reddit.
[1:42:11 – 1:42:33] Adam: there are some that are on the thread for the first part yeah and i want to do those too those questions we’ll try and get to as well so you know we’re not going to forget about you oh that thread um but uh yeah you know it’s getting dark eric’s gotta i gotta get skiing home he’s gotta ski home he’s he doesn’t want to ride he wants to ski
[1:42:34 – 1:42:35] Adam: It’s the ski season.
[1:42:35 – 1:42:36] Erik: Well, it looks very nice out there.
[1:42:37 – 1:42:37] Erik: Yeah.
[1:42:37 – 1:42:39] Erik: I can’t believe you go down that hill, though.
[1:42:39 – 1:42:40] Erik: That hill is a bomber.
[1:42:41 – 1:42:42] Erik: I don’t go down with the skis on.
[1:42:45 – 1:42:45] Erik: Sure.
[1:42:45 – 1:42:46] Erik: Sure you don’t.
[1:42:47 – 1:42:48] Adam: I will tonight.
[1:42:48 – 1:42:50] Adam: Got to keep the pressure on the balls of the foot.
[1:42:52 – 1:42:52] Erik: Yep.
[1:42:52 – 1:42:55] Erik: So we’ll do two more here, and then we’ll…
[1:42:55 – 1:42:57] Adam: I’m cracking a White Claw.
[1:42:57 – 1:42:59] Adam: I’m not going to give away the flavor.
[1:42:59 – 1:43:04] Adam: I don’t want Hopalicious to have to do any unnecessary work, but it’s time for a White Claw.
[1:43:04 – 1:43:06] Adam: We’re into our final two questions.
[1:43:06 – 1:43:09] Erik: Yeah, this is a Mothership Wit from New Belgium.
[1:43:10 – 1:43:11] Erik: It’s not a sponsor, though.
[1:43:11 – 1:43:14] Erik: The only sponsor was the Ocosim.
[1:43:14 – 1:43:18] Adam: It was a self-sponsored final two questions.
[1:43:19 – 1:43:20] Erik: This one’s from Bird Doggin’ It.
[1:43:22 – 1:43:23] Erik: One.
[1:43:24 – 1:43:28] Erik: Are we all the same people living in parallel canoe universes?
[1:43:29 – 1:43:32] Erik: Everyone on here seems like a freak.
[1:43:33 – 1:43:35] Erik: I mean this in the best possible way.
[1:43:35 – 1:43:44] Erik: But I thought I was unique in my park-slash-paddle-obsessed ways.
[1:43:44 – 1:43:47] Erik: I don’t necessarily know what the question is.
[1:43:48 – 1:44:12] Adam: yeah we’re definitely all the same person living in parallel canoe universes i think it’s just uh some say we’re living in like a wilderness that is like a block of swiss cheese and then we’re all in different little bubbles within the cheese and that the uh the cheese itself is what’s connecting us not the bubbles that we live in yes but you know who am i to say
[1:44:13 – 1:44:15] Erik: Who are we to disagree?
[1:44:15 – 1:44:17] Adam: What our true nature of our connection is.
[1:44:18 – 1:44:25] Adam: I mean, obviously, the wilderness that is out there speaks to us all in the same language.
[1:44:26 – 1:44:38] Erik: Well, it’s an underlying love that nobody, either listening to this or that is on the subreddit,
[1:44:39 – 1:45:02] Erik: or that follows us on facebook or that sends us emails um like we all have that in common so yeah i guess it is a parallel universe to a certain extent yeah but it’s all based on like this place right uh this common place that unifies it maybe that’s the cheese
[1:45:04 – 1:45:08] Erik: De Bongevoir’s is the cheese and we’re all the little people living in the bubbles.
[1:45:09 – 1:45:10] Adam: It’s a Swiss cheese though only.
[1:45:11 – 1:45:13] Adam: Any cheese with a bubble will do for this metaphor.
[1:45:14 – 1:45:15] Adam: This isn’t a metaphor.
[1:45:15 – 1:45:16] Adam: You know what I’m saying.
[1:45:16 – 1:45:19] Erik: A very old cheddar that gets those crystals.
[1:45:20 – 1:45:22] Adam: Oh, yeah, we’re the crunchies in the cheddar.
[1:45:22 – 1:45:25] Erik: We’re the crunchies in that six-year Car Valley cheddar.
[1:45:25 – 1:45:26] Adam: Yeah, we are freaks.
[1:45:27 – 1:45:28] Adam: We’re freaky crunchy.
[1:45:29 – 1:45:32] Erik: Everybody on here seems like a freak.
[1:45:32 – 1:45:46] Erik: I mean, you’ve got an infinite amount of time to do with what you will on this plane, right?
[1:45:47 – 1:45:54] Erik: And at least up to this point, spoiler alert, if you listened to last episode, we were at 298.
[1:45:54 – 1:46:00] Erik: We have cracked the 300 threshold and there was a post specifically with a couple of pew-pews.
[1:46:00 – 1:46:01] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Pew-pew!
[1:46:01 – 1:46:02] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Pew-pew-pew-pew!
[1:46:04 – 1:46:09] Erik: There’s at least 300 plus, however many people are only listening to this.
[1:46:11 – 1:46:19] Erik: Spending that precious amount of time when not in the wilderness, listening to other people talk about it.
[1:46:19 – 1:46:28] Erik: Like that’s a hyper niche thing, which I would say is pretty freakish to tell you the truth.
[1:46:29 – 1:46:29] Erik: Um,
[1:46:31 – 1:46:43] Erik: I mean, I’m sure there’s a whole host of other hobbies and super niche things that people that listen to this are into that I probably wouldn’t be able to relate to at all at the same time.
[1:46:44 – 1:46:48] Erik: It’s just the nature of existing and what you find interesting.
[1:46:48 – 1:46:55] Erik: And again, to go back to those seasons of your hobbies, who knows when we’re catching some people on there.
[1:46:56 – 1:46:56] Erik: on their hobbies.
[1:46:56 – 1:47:03] Erik: Um, you know, on the boundary waters is I think a little bit more, uh, profound of a, of a hobby.
[1:47:03 – 1:47:08] Erik: Um, yeah, there’s aspects of it that you can put into other, um,
[1:47:12 – 1:47:14] Erik: I’m trying to think of the best way.
[1:47:14 – 1:47:22] Erik: You can take things that you can do in the Boundary Waters and apply them to other aspects of camping, exploring, hiking, paddling.
[1:47:23 – 1:47:35] Erik: But under the umbrella of the Boundary Waters, it’s pretty hard to ever see a scenario where I could say, I’m in the winter of my love of the Boundary Waters.
[1:47:37 – 1:47:40] Erik: That’s probably going to be a forever thing.
[1:47:42 – 1:48:04] Erik: spring and or summer but you know at the same time there’s you know there’s a a winter as well as if you want to say what you can do in the bodge waters as it relates to the seasons and that might be part of the reason why i don’t think the sun will ever set on it for me right so if that makes any sense
[1:48:04 – 1:48:05] Adam: Yeah, I think it does.
[1:48:06 – 1:48:19] Adam: You know, the freaks you associate with can also help to propel you along in your seasons, if that makes any sense, or slow you down, whichever you may need at the time, at that point in your life.
[1:48:19 – 1:48:19] Erik: Yeah.
[1:48:20 – 1:48:30] Erik: And you surround yourself with people that have the same interest in something as special as the Boundary Waters.
[1:48:30 – 1:48:38] Erik: I think there’s a number of different ways that can manifest itself and it has kind of manifested itself in our lives in what we’re doing.
[1:48:39 – 1:48:44] Erik: I’m sure there’s a whole bunch of people out there that don’t need a podcast to go along with it though either.
[1:48:44 – 1:48:45] Erik: Yeah.
[1:48:45 – 1:48:47] Erik: Um, that’s totally fine too.
[1:48:48 – 1:48:58] Erik: Uh, you can also surround yourself with people with the same mad ideas and then you, then you end up with a little bit of a, uh, a capital storming scenario.
[1:48:58 – 1:49:04] Adam: You might end up joining a terrorist cult, uh, you know, and, uh, doing some bad stuff.
[1:49:04 – 1:49:07] Adam: You gotta watch out what kind of freaks you run with.
[1:49:07 – 1:49:08] Adam: Make sure you’re with the good kind.
[1:49:09 – 1:49:12] Erik: Yeah, there’s a fine line between groupthink.
[1:49:16 – 1:49:19] Erik: And what we’re kind of doing here, you know?
[1:49:19 – 1:49:34] Erik: Like, I think if we weren’t involved with the community as much, I think this probably would have devolved into something maybe self-congratulatory and… More so than it already is.
[1:49:34 – 1:49:38] Erik: Yeah, and a lack of exploration into what it all kind of means.
[1:49:39 – 1:49:41] Adam: We’re better off with more bubbles in the cheese, you know?
[1:49:41 – 1:49:43] Erik: We need more bubbles in the cheese for sure.
[1:49:43 – 1:49:44] Erik: Otherwise, you just end up with…
[1:49:46 – 1:50:09] Erik: although i love it i really do love it it’s you know but it’s it would just be mayo oh i thought you’re gonna say colby yeah colby does suck though too yeah no otherwise it would just be otherwise it would just be colby you could whip uh some bubbles in the mayo maybe yeah and well yeah mayo is a nice base
[1:50:11 – 1:50:12] Erik: For a lot of different things.
[1:50:12 – 1:50:16] Adam: Can you even move your bubble within the cheese no matter what you do?
[1:50:16 – 1:50:24] Adam: Or are you in your bubble and the cheese and it just depends on what other bubbles that bump in your bubble within the course of the cheese making?
[1:50:26 – 1:50:27] Erik: I think you’ve lost me now.
[1:50:28 – 1:50:29] Erik: All right, moving on.
[1:50:29 – 1:50:31] Erik: Wait, bird dogging it, that was part one.
[1:50:31 – 1:50:32] Erik: This is part two.
[1:50:32 – 1:50:32] Erik: All right.
[1:50:32 – 1:50:33] Erik: It should be pretty easy.
[1:50:34 – 1:50:36] Erik: I’m just going to let you answer this one on your own.
[1:50:37 – 1:50:41] Erik: Two, how much dill can you fit in your deluxe dill dens?
[1:50:42 – 1:50:43] Adam: About two ounces.
[1:50:47 – 1:50:53] Adam: We’re getting to this late in the show, but this was also part of the, on Tumble Home Cast Reddit podcast.
[1:50:54 – 1:50:58] Adam: From Cheap Dancer with the tumble kit and the little dill, fresh dill canister.
[1:50:59 – 1:50:59] Adam: Yeah.
[1:50:59 – 1:51:00] Adam: In the Altoids.
[1:51:01 – 1:51:03] Erik: It’s a Collins brand dill canister too.
[1:51:03 – 1:51:03] Adam: It is.
[1:51:04 – 1:51:04] Adam: Yeah.
[1:51:04 – 1:51:05] Adam: Don’t do that.
[1:51:05 – 1:51:07] Adam: Get fresh dill and dill is dill.
[1:51:07 – 1:51:07] Adam: Yeah.
[1:51:08 – 1:51:12] Adam: And you can fit roughly two ounces of dill in, at least in the Stolquist I have.
[1:51:12 – 1:51:13] Adam: Dill is dill.
[1:51:13 – 1:51:14] Adam: Are we still talking about Stolquists?
[1:51:15 – 1:51:15] Erik: Stolquist.
[1:51:15 – 1:51:16] Adam: Yeah.
[1:51:16 – 1:51:16] Adam: Yeah.
[1:51:18 – 1:51:19] Adam: I think that’s a fair answer.
[1:51:19 – 1:51:19] Adam: Sure.
[1:51:19 – 1:51:21] Adam: That’s about right for a trip.
[1:51:21 – 1:51:22] Adam: You can get by with that.
[1:51:22 – 1:51:24] Adam: That’ll last you a good amount of time.
[1:51:24 – 1:51:24] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[1:51:25 – 1:51:28] Adam: You could paddle for a long time with that amount of dill on you.
[1:51:28 – 1:51:28] Erik: Yep.
[1:51:29 – 1:51:31] Adam: You got a lot of great frittatas in your future.
[1:51:32 – 1:51:32] UNKNOWN: Frittatas.
[1:51:33 – 1:51:35] Adam: Just make sure you open up the dill den once in a while.
[1:51:35 – 1:51:36] Adam: It’s all about the air exchange.
[1:51:36 – 1:51:38] Adam: You got to get a little fresh air in there once in a while.
[1:51:38 – 1:51:40] Adam: Don’t want your den getting stale.
[1:51:40 – 1:51:42] Adam: Don’t let that den get stale.
[1:51:42 – 1:51:43] Adam: That’s my final piece of advice.
[1:51:44 – 1:51:45] Adam: Yeah.
[1:51:45 – 1:51:45] Adam: Moving on.
[1:51:45 – 1:51:46] Erik: Stale dens.
[1:51:48 – 1:51:57] Erik: We’re going to finish here with, speak of the devil, the most serious question Cheap underscore Dancer has ever asked us.
[1:51:59 – 1:52:00] Erik: What’s your favorite lake?
[1:52:08 – 1:52:10] Adam: I mean, it should come to you quick, right?
[1:52:10 – 1:52:10] Erik: Yeah.
[1:52:10 – 1:52:12] Erik: Oh, mine’s Clearwater for sure.
[1:52:13 – 1:52:14] Erik: Without a doubt.
[1:52:15 – 1:52:16] Erik: There’s no way there could be any other lake.
[1:52:17 – 1:52:19] Erik: I can list a couple other ones.
[1:52:19 – 1:52:21] Adam: Lake Superior is a sea.
[1:52:22 – 1:52:23] Adam: That’s an ocean.
[1:52:23 – 1:52:24] Adam: Yeah, it’s a big lake.
[1:52:24 – 1:52:25] Adam: It doesn’t count.
[1:52:26 – 1:52:29] Adam: At least the way I’m taking the question.
[1:52:29 – 1:52:29] Erik: Yeah.
[1:52:32 – 1:52:33] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[1:52:33 – 1:52:41] Adam: Clearwater was like the first one that came to mind, but that’s just like the point at which my bubble and the cheese reached the boundary waters.
[1:52:42 – 1:52:43] Adam: That was the first lake.
[1:52:44 – 1:52:46] Adam: It goes back to the canoe question from last week.
[1:52:47 – 1:52:49] Adam: You know, what’s the first one that you had?
[1:52:50 – 1:52:53] Adam: Or like these skis I got now, it’s like, well, I guess I’m a mad shoose guy.
[1:52:53 – 1:52:54] Adam: I just got mad shoosed.
[1:52:55 – 1:52:55] Erik: Yeah.
[1:52:56 – 1:52:56] Adam: Yeah, Clearwater.
[1:52:57 – 1:52:57] Adam: I mean, obviously.
[1:52:58 – 1:53:01] Adam: The other one would be Shawano Lake, which is where I learned how to fish.
[1:53:01 – 1:53:01] Adam: Oh.
[1:53:01 – 1:53:03] Adam: That goes back to earlier in the episode too.
[1:53:03 – 1:53:04] Erik: Sure.
[1:53:04 – 1:53:06] Adam: Grandma and grandpa taught me how to crappie fish on Shawano Lake.
[1:53:07 – 1:53:07] Adam: Yeah.
[1:53:07 – 1:53:09] Adam: So that was the other one that popped right to mind, you know.
[1:53:10 – 1:53:12] Erik: I mean, for so many reasons, Clearwater.
[1:53:12 – 1:53:12] Erik: Yeah.
[1:53:13 – 1:53:32] Erik: But if you just take out the history, you know, my first job on the Gunflint Trail, where we met, how many times we’ve been on the lake together, how many people I talk to about it on a daily basis.
[1:53:32 – 1:53:38] Erik: Like, yes, it’s Clearwater far and away, but with an asterisk, sort of.
[1:53:38 – 1:53:40] Erik: Like, there’s a bias there.
[1:53:40 – 1:53:42] Erik: If I were to kind of, like…
[1:53:44 – 1:54:00] Erik: portion off and like compartmentalize clear water as like a okay yeah of course he’s gonna say clear water you gotta if i were to just take that away and just be like okay any other like the one that comes to mind ensign is ensign
[1:54:01 – 1:54:02] Erik: Yes.
[1:54:02 – 1:54:04] Adam: We’ll have to get to that next week, though.
[1:54:04 – 1:54:05] Erik: No, definitely not.
[1:54:06 – 1:54:23] Erik: There is a question about Ensign, which we did see as one of the questions which kind of leaned us towards calling this an episode where we are because there’s a request to tell the unabridged bear story on Ensign, which that’ll take a little bit.
[1:54:24 – 1:54:26] Erik: What were you going to say, though?
[1:54:26 – 1:54:28] Adam: I didn’t mean to throw you off with my constant interruptions.
[1:54:29 – 1:54:35] Erik: I would say Agnes Lake in Quetico, just in terms of like.
[1:54:36 – 1:54:39] Adam: Yeah, I named my cat Agnes for that lake.
[1:54:39 – 1:54:41] Adam: I don’t have a cat named Clearwater or Shawano.
[1:54:42 – 1:54:43] Erik: That would be a weird name for a cat.
[1:54:44 – 1:54:45] Adam: I also have a dog named Arrow.
[1:54:45 – 1:54:46] Adam: What about Arrow Lake?
[1:54:46 – 1:54:47] Erik: Yeah.
[1:54:47 – 1:54:48] Erik: Great lake.
[1:54:48 – 1:54:49] Erik: It is a good one.
[1:54:49 – 1:54:51] Erik: It’s got a remix on it, though.
[1:54:52 – 1:54:53] Adam: Have you ever really seen Remix, though?
[1:54:54 – 1:54:55] Adam: Does it truly exist?
[1:54:55 – 1:54:56] Adam: Who knows?
[1:54:56 – 1:54:58] Adam: I wasn’t able to get up there for the tournament last year.
[1:54:58 – 1:54:59] Adam: Yeah.
[1:54:59 – 1:55:01] Adam: Still have yet to make it.
[1:55:01 – 1:55:04] Erik: I mean, it is a Quetico lake, of course.
[1:55:07 – 1:55:08] Erik: But it was, what’s your favorite lake?
[1:55:08 – 1:55:11] Erik: It doesn’t, there’s no lines being drawn there.
[1:55:11 – 1:55:16] Erik: And especially considering I’ve literally only paddled it twice.
[1:55:18 – 1:55:24] Erik: The memories of it in so many different ways are so associated with it that…
[1:55:24 – 1:55:26] Adam: It’s like a mythical lake out there.
[1:55:26 – 1:55:30] Erik: It just comes and it’s like right in the middle of Quetico and it’s just massive.
[1:55:31 – 1:55:34] Erik: The campsite that we occupied was incredible.
[1:55:34 – 1:55:38] Erik: The day we had leading up to being on that lake was…
[1:55:39 – 1:55:48] Erik: And the day that I had a separate trip was so different from the first time that I had been on it.
[1:55:49 – 1:55:55] Erik: It also might just be one of those lakes that I just want to go back to so much that it comes to mind right away.
[1:55:55 – 1:55:56] Adam: Yeah.
[1:55:57 – 1:56:03] Erik: So yeah, with Clearwater being like set aside in like a little compartment of clearly that’s the lake.
[1:56:05 – 1:56:12] Erik: If I were to just look at a big, look at a map, my eyes always kind of get drawn towards that.
[1:56:13 – 1:56:16] Adam: That’s the heart of the park of Quetico, really.
[1:56:17 – 1:56:25] Erik: That arrow of just an angled, long, it just dominates the map when you look at it.
[1:56:26 – 1:56:28] Erik: And it dominates my memories of trips in Quetico.
[1:56:28 – 1:56:38] Erik: So Agnes is probably my favorite lake without any preconceived experiences of living on another one.
[1:56:38 – 1:56:40] Adam: All right, good answer.
[1:56:40 – 1:56:41] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Yeah, good answer.
[1:56:45 – 1:56:47] Adam: Oh, man, that tumble kit was hilarious.
[1:56:48 – 1:56:50] Adam: Cheap dancer.
[1:56:50 – 1:56:51] Erik: Everything was shrunk down.
[1:56:52 – 1:56:52] Erik: Yeah.
[1:56:52 – 1:56:53] Adam: The tiny little bag of wine.
[1:56:53 – 1:56:54] Adam: Tiny bag of wine.
[1:56:55 – 1:56:55] Adam: Yeah.
[1:56:56 – 1:57:00] Adam: I can’t believe he put a little Betty’s Pies in there for you.
[1:57:00 – 1:57:24] Erik: oh yeah thank you for that there was uh i got an email from somebody who said that um their dad used to call it betty’s flies because the first time they went in there when it was the old pie shack there was so many flies that that’s just what he thought it was called like because his dad called it that yeah with fly season in the middle i mean there’s really no avoiding it everybody’s got flies it’s
[1:57:27 – 1:57:29] Adam: That’s where we’re going to leave it, I think.
[1:57:29 – 1:57:31] Adam: Everybody’s got those flies in the middle of the summer.
[1:57:32 – 1:57:32] Erik: Yeah.
[1:57:32 – 1:57:36] Adam: But yeah, the party lights too were in there.
[1:57:36 – 1:57:36] Adam: That was nice.
[1:57:36 – 1:57:47] Adam: And I like that the cheap dancer, he or she, said that the inspiration for the Altoids can was a George Hunter stout.
[1:57:48 – 1:57:48] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Ah.
[1:57:48 – 1:57:53] Adam: So there’s a shout out to the unofficial beer sponsor of that post.
[1:57:54 – 1:57:54] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Mm-hmm.
[1:57:55 – 1:58:18] Erik: uh didn’t give a score on the on the stout but based on the photoshop work by cheap dancer on that altoids tin i mean that’s a that’s a double huzzah for sure very nice yeah so boy we got really close but like we said we want to be able to give um full shrift is that a statement
[1:58:19 – 1:58:35] Erik: Whole shrift to the rest of the questions going forward, which in hindsight, starting at the bottom, kind of, unfortunately, we have not gotten to the top voted questions yet.
[1:58:35 – 1:58:38] Adam: Well, yeah, I guess save those for the finale.
[1:58:38 – 1:58:40] Erik: The juicy finale.
[1:58:40 – 1:58:43] Erik: Just, all right, you can’t blame us.
[1:58:43 – 1:58:45] Erik: They were just so, the questions were so good.
[1:58:45 – 1:58:46] Erik: We’re not like here.
[1:58:46 – 1:58:52] Adam: We’re not going to give a two-word answer to these kinds of, you know, how’d you learn to love the wilderness?
[1:58:52 – 1:58:53] Adam: You know, yeah, sorry.
[1:58:53 – 1:58:55] Adam: Yeah.
[1:58:55 – 1:58:57] Adam: I love to talk, and these were good questions.
[1:58:57 – 1:58:58] Erik: They were very good.
[1:58:58 – 1:59:08] Erik: And yeah, so the joke, I think a couple of weeks ago on Instagram was about how we were going to like milk that three hour episode for three hours of content.
[1:59:08 – 1:59:08] Erik: Yeah.
[1:59:08 – 1:59:09] Erik: And most of the time that’s what’s going to happen.
[1:59:10 – 1:59:13] Erik: Can you really sit down and listen to a three hour podcast?
[1:59:13 – 1:59:14] Adam: I cannot.
[1:59:14 – 1:59:14] Adam: I will never.
[1:59:14 – 1:59:16] Adam: We can’t have that happen again.
[1:59:16 – 1:59:19] Adam: Honestly, we’re closing on two here and it’s obscene.
[1:59:19 – 1:59:19] Erik: Yeah.
[1:59:19 – 1:59:21] Erik: And so we’ve got, we’ve got a number of questions.
[1:59:22 – 1:59:27] Erik: We’re going to get to again, last chance to get us one because we’re never going to do this ever again.
[1:59:28 – 1:59:29] Adam: No, we’ll do it next year, too.
[1:59:29 – 1:59:30] Adam: Every winter we’re going to do this.
[1:59:31 – 1:59:34] Adam: But, you know, that’s the way she goes.
[1:59:34 – 1:59:38] Erik: Yeah, we’ve got Half Beer Will Paddle, Ghost of Ed Abbey, Route Scouter, Jacob Backer.
[1:59:39 – 1:59:41] Erik: These are some big hitters on Reddit.
[1:59:42 – 1:59:45] Erik: Barb’s Bannock, Blow underscore Zephyr, Hopalicious.
[1:59:45 – 1:59:47] Adam: They’re not even just friends of the show.
[1:59:47 – 1:59:49] Adam: They’re like the family of the show at this point.
[1:59:51 – 1:59:51] Adam: A whole new level.
[1:59:52 – 1:59:53] Erik: Square Jaw 77.
[1:59:54 – 1:59:56] Erik: Another one I can’t maybe so.
[1:59:57 – 1:59:59] Erik: Yeah, there’s a bunch of good ones here.
[1:59:59 – 2:00:00] Erik: And multi-parters.
[2:00:00 – 2:00:01] Erik: Yeah, Aldi 1.
[2:00:02 – 2:00:02] Erik: Come on.
[2:00:03 – 2:00:03] Erik: We can’t.
[2:00:04 – 2:00:05] Erik: We cannot.
[2:00:05 – 2:00:06] Erik: We can’t force it.
[2:00:06 – 2:00:09] Adam: Yeah, let’s stop making promises because you never know.
[2:00:09 – 2:00:11] Adam: This could turn into two more episodes.
[2:00:11 – 2:00:13] Adam: No, that’s not happening.
[2:00:13 – 2:00:14] Adam: Yeah, you never know.
[2:00:15 – 2:00:24] Adam: For Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast, we have been Adam and Eric coming to you live from Studio K on the K-Dunce.
[2:00:25 – 2:00:27] Adam: This has been episode 0128.
[2:00:27 – 2:00:28] Adam: Ask us anything.
[2:00:28 – 2:00:29] Adam: Pardois.
[2:00:31 – 2:00:34] Adam: Yeah, I got to slap on the skis.
[2:00:35 – 2:00:35] Erik: Get on home.
[2:00:36 – 2:00:44] Adam: Yeah, brought to you by Ski Eric and regular old mozzarella cheese Adam.
[2:00:44 – 2:00:45] Erik: And a Cosium.
[2:00:47 – 2:00:48] Adam: Yeah, and that one.
[2:00:48 – 2:00:48] Adam: Thanks, James.
[2:00:49 – 2:00:50] Adam: That really set the tone for the day.
[2:00:51 – 2:00:52] Adam: I really liked that one.
[2:00:53 – 2:00:53] Erik: Yeah, it was good.
[2:00:54 – 2:00:56] Adam: All right, we’re getting out of here.
[2:00:56 – 2:01:02] Adam: As we always like to say, happy paddling, happy skiing, and life is precious.
[2:01:02 – 2:01:03] Adam: Every day is a miracle.
[2:01:04 – 2:01:05] Adam: Be kind to your neighbors.
[2:01:06 – 2:01:07] Adam: We’re all Americans.
[2:01:08 – 2:01:10] Adam: And the Polish people listening, too.
[2:01:10 – 2:01:12] Adam: You guys, you’re in on this as well, and the cheese.
[2:01:12 – 2:01:14] Adam: Everybody, get in on the cheese.
[2:01:15 – 2:01:16] Adam: We’re all one cheese, really.
[2:01:16 – 2:01:17] Adam: Find your hole.
[2:01:17 – 2:01:17] Adam: Think about it.
[2:01:17 – 2:01:23] Adam: Get your bubble aligned properly with the other bubbles because we’re all just cheese.
[2:01:23 – 2:01:23] Adam: The end.
[2:01:23 – 2:01:27] Erik: What do you want to go out on?
[2:01:27 – 2:01:28] Adam: I don’t know.
[2:01:29 – 2:01:32] Adam: I had Benny and the Jets in my mind earlier for some reason.
[2:01:33 – 2:01:33] Adam: Benny!
[2:01:35 – 2:01:35] Adam: Benny!
[2:01:35 – 2:01:39] Erik: Is that song about West Side Story?
[2:01:39 – 2:01:42] Adam: Benny and the Jets.
[2:01:42 – 2:01:44] Adam: Yeah, I think it’s pretty obviously it is.
[2:01:44 – 2:01:46] Erik: I don’t know.
[2:01:46 – 2:01:48] Adam: We’re going to have to write Sir Elton John about this.
[2:01:48 – 2:01:52] Erik: Me and Tori just both saw… Well, I saw it for the first time.
[2:01:52 – 2:01:53] Erik: She’d seen it once before.
[2:01:54 – 2:01:55] Erik: And I’m going to go ahead and say it.
[2:01:56 – 2:01:59] Erik: West Side Story might be one of my favorite movies of all time.
[2:01:59 – 2:01:59] Erik: Wow.
[2:01:59 – 2:02:00] Erik: All right.
[2:02:00 – 2:02:07] Erik: It’s really hard for movies to crack as you grow older and more hardened and unwilling to change.
[2:02:07 – 2:02:07] Erik: Yeah.
[2:02:08 – 2:02:11] Erik: It’s really hard for things in your like, I love this.
[2:02:11 – 2:02:12] Erik: I hate this.
[2:02:13 – 2:02:15] Erik: Like they all really get solidified.
[2:02:16 – 2:02:16] Erik: Yeah.
[2:02:16 – 2:02:17] Erik: So to have something like that.
[2:02:18 – 2:02:23] Erik: And I’ve been watching like a bunch of great movies lately because I’m trying to watch all the AFI top 100.
[2:02:24 – 2:02:48] Erik: is that in the top 100 it is it’s like 51 okay and i and like like i said a month leading up to that i’ve been watching other movies on that list and being like well that was good that was good i don’t know about that like the searchers get out of here with that john wayne crap and i was like i guess i’ll do west side story i’ve always like kind of been like anti-musical or whatever but yeah
[2:02:50 – 2:02:51] Erik: The songs, the dancing.
[2:02:51 – 2:02:53] Adam: What’s your favorite song from West Side Story?
[2:02:53 – 2:02:54] Adam: Oh, by far, America.
[2:02:54 – 2:02:58] Adam: That’s what we should go out to.
[2:02:58 – 2:03:01] Adam: Can you find a chiptune version of America?
[2:03:01 – 2:03:03] Adam: I hope you can.
[2:03:03 – 2:03:04] Adam: Find out in a few days.
[2:03:05 – 2:03:06] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Find out.
[2:03:06 – 2:03:06] Adam+Erik Talking Same Time: Find out.
[2:03:22 – 2:03:23] UNKNOWN: Thank you.
