295: Trace Cleanse

Episode Transcript

[0:00:22 – 0:00:23] UNKNOWN: Thank you.
[0:00:34 – 0:00:39] Adam: Throat singers.
[0:00:39 – 0:00:43] Erik: Estamos pasándolo bien.
[0:00:43 – 0:00:49] Erik: Ah, tumble horn.
[0:00:49 – 0:00:52] Adam: We’re doing it.
[0:00:54 – 0:00:55] Erik: My name is Eric.
[0:00:55 – 0:00:56] Erik: Hello.
[0:00:56 – 0:01:00] Erik: Joined as always by my best man.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:24] Erik: adam hello hello and by the world’s largest we’re gonna get the uh we’re gonna get the bb gun out and put this thing down and then measure it up against the world record for the largest horsefly ever trophy horsefly hunters trophy horsefly and then you’re gonna want to get out the 177 for this job
[0:01:24 – 0:01:26] Erik: Yeah, you do the full chest mount.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:29] Erik: Put that above the fireplace.
[0:01:29 – 0:01:30] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:31 – 0:01:34] Adam: I got a nice hunk of maple we could mount it on.
[0:01:34 – 0:01:35] Adam: Perfect.
[0:01:35 – 0:01:37] Erik: Yeah, dip that in some shellac.
[0:01:37 – 0:01:38] Adam: Beautiful.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:40] Erik: Just push it onto that piece of maple.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:44] Erik: I think it’ll look real, real nice.
[0:01:44 – 0:01:46] Erik: Really, really nice.
[0:01:46 – 0:01:47] Erik: It is that large, though.
[0:01:47 – 0:01:52] Erik: I mean, you probably will hear it at some point when it flies around and bumps into the walls.
[0:01:52 – 0:01:56] Erik: It sounds like somebody’s drilling into a safe.
[0:01:57 – 0:01:59] Adam: I’ve never seen anything like it.
[0:01:59 – 0:02:02] Adam: So hopefully it doesn’t go for one of our scalps in the night.
[0:02:03 – 0:02:03] Adam: Oh my God.
[0:02:04 – 0:02:06] Adam: One of us is probably coming out of here bloodied.
[0:02:06 – 0:02:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:06 – 0:02:08] Adam: With that thing in the, in the shed.
[0:02:09 – 0:02:11] Adam: Hopefully the dog arrow, you got to get this thing out of here.
[0:02:12 – 0:02:13] Adam: Protect us.
[0:02:13 – 0:02:13] Adam: Protect.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:14] Adam: Please.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:17] Erik: This is episode 295.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:17] Erik: Boom brother.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:17] Erik: It is.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:17] Erik: Oh,
[0:02:24 – 0:02:38] Erik: One of these days where we’re just both going to be able to sit back on a creaky porch and a couple of rocking chairs and just be able to go back and be like, how in the hell did we ever record whatever we end at?
[0:02:38 – 0:02:42] Erik: But even now, we could do this tonight.
[0:02:42 – 0:02:43] Erik: It seems absurd.
[0:02:43 – 0:02:44] Erik: How did we ever record 295 of these damn things?
[0:02:44 – 0:02:45] Erik: What?
[0:02:49 – 0:02:53] Adam: Yeah, it’s turned into a legacy.
[0:02:53 – 0:03:01] Adam: I always thought I was going to be famous as a writer, and I have published work as a writer, but obviously this is going to be our legacy.
[0:03:01 – 0:03:03] Adam: Yeah, and now we’re wildly famous as podcasters.
[0:03:03 – 0:03:10] Adam: Just this, just yakking in a shed for a decade plus.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:14] Adam: That’s going to end up being the thing that we’ll be known for or remembered probably.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:17] Erik: Turn the microphones on and talk.
[0:03:17 – 0:03:19] Erik: That’s all it is.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:21] Erik: I was thinking about that on the way over here.
[0:03:21 – 0:03:28] Erik: I used to get so nervous before, like, I don’t know, the sub-50, the first, like, sub-50 episodes.
[0:03:28 – 0:03:32] Erik: I feel like I always was a little, and maybe that was a good thing.
[0:03:32 – 0:03:33] Erik: I think it’s always good to be nervous.
[0:03:33 – 0:03:34] Erik: It means that you care about it.
[0:03:35 – 0:03:35] Erik: That’s true.
[0:03:35 – 0:03:38] Erik: And not to say that I don’t care about it anymore, but I’m comfortable with it now.
[0:03:38 – 0:03:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:03:39 – 0:03:45] Adam: At some point, you do make the transition from, yeah, anxiety into just pure comfort.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:47] Adam: Behind the microphone.
[0:03:47 – 0:03:48] Adam: It’s pure comfort.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:49 – 0:03:51] Adam: And that is true, though.
[0:03:51 – 0:03:53] Adam: If you’re nervous, that means you do care.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:54] Adam: I like that phrase.
[0:03:55 – 0:04:03] Erik: I do feel like we talked about that on the, you get to a point where you are, you have to earn the comfort.
[0:04:03 – 0:04:05] Erik: I don’t remember what I said.
[0:04:05 – 0:04:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:06 – 0:04:06] Erik: Sure.
[0:04:06 – 0:04:07] Erik: Something along those lines.
[0:04:07 – 0:04:08] Erik: And it takes time.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:10] Adam: You also got to earn the anxiety.
[0:04:10 – 0:04:12] Erik: Yeah, you sure do.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:13] Erik: We’ve earned both.
[0:04:15 – 0:04:16] Adam: Pressure is a privilege.
[0:04:17 – 0:04:18] Erik: Pressure is a privilege, yeah.
[0:04:19 – 0:04:19] Adam: Sure is.
[0:04:20 – 0:04:21] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:21 – 0:04:28] Adam: We got ourselves a real fancy boy bag here, sir, for episode 295 of this proud independent podcast.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:34] Adam: I looked up at the whiteboard when Eric got here and it just says, cheers, 524.
[0:04:34 – 0:04:40] Erik: Wouldn’t it be amazing if it was a nice icy cold bottle of bubbly of some sort?
[0:04:40 – 0:04:58] Adam: that’d be incredible it has been in the fridge so it is ice cold but uh i was like i wonder what that means and i opened up the fridge and there’s just a huge black bag that is the size of um a magnum bottle of champagne that just says cheers and gold lettering on the side if it’s just a four pack of like uh
[0:05:00 – 0:05:02] Erik: Midwestern swill.
[0:05:02 – 0:05:03] Erik: I will be disappointed.
[0:05:03 – 0:05:04] Adam: That’s probably what it’s going to be, though.
[0:05:05 – 0:05:06] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:05:06 – 0:05:08] Erik: We got a folded note here.
[0:05:08 – 0:05:10] Erik: Somebody typed this up and printed it up.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:11] Erik: Wow, look at this.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:14] Erik: It is typed.
[0:05:14 – 0:05:16] Erik: It looks like it’s signed from over here.
[0:05:16 – 0:05:17] Erik: Yep, I see ink.
[0:05:18 – 0:05:21] Erik: We got 52525.
[0:05:22 – 0:05:23] Erik: Name spelled correctly.
[0:05:23 – 0:05:28] Erik: I’m liking the looks of that.
[0:05:29 – 0:05:30] Erik: Eric and Adam.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:30] Erik: Ain’t no swill.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:34] Erik: Hope these beers from the loo, i.e.
[0:05:35 – 0:05:38] Erik: St. Louis, Missouri, find you well.
[0:05:39 – 0:05:40] Erik: The loo.
[0:05:40 – 0:05:41] Erik: I’ve never heard it called the loo.
[0:05:43 – 0:05:44] Erik: I think that they must be from there.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:52] Erik: We are on our way north for our third annual father-son fishing trip to Big Sag.
[0:05:53 – 0:05:53] Erik: Big Sag.
[0:05:53 – 0:05:57] Erik: And our fourth drop of art supplies.
[0:05:58 – 0:06:00] Erik: See, that’s how long we’ve been doing this.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:00] Erik: I know.
[0:06:01 – 0:06:01] Erik: Fourth.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:03] Adam: Getting to know these people.
[0:06:04 – 0:06:08] Erik: Fishing with a guide again and hoping to land our first ever Lakers.
[0:06:09 – 0:06:13] Erik: Past two years, we had good luck with walleyes and smallmouth in late July.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:16] Erik: Sorry about the jets.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:17] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:06:17 – 0:06:19] Erik: I thought we were done with this.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:21] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:24] Erik: Yeah, I guess we lost our Blues in game seven.
[0:06:24 – 0:06:24] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:06:24 – 0:06:25] Erik: Yeah, I guess.
[0:06:25 – 0:06:28] Erik: I don’t know whose side I would rather be on.
[0:06:28 – 0:06:38] Erik: That horrific round one loss that the Blues had, but they were about to win the game with .7 seconds left.
[0:06:38 – 0:06:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:39 – 0:06:43] Erik: And then they lost it in overtime because the Jets tied it up in a miracle.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:46] Erik: Then the Jets just went on to lose anyway.
[0:06:46 – 0:06:47] Erik: They squandered the miracle.
[0:06:47 – 0:06:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:48 – 0:06:49] Erik: Squandered the miracle.
[0:06:49 – 0:06:54] Erik: Squandering the miracle is what the Canadian hockey teams are all about.
[0:06:56 – 0:06:58] Erik: Hope Eric can get on board with the Timberwolves fever.
[0:06:59 – 0:07:00] Erik: No, it didn’t happen.
[0:07:00 – 0:07:01] Erik: It won’t happen.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:06] Erik: Keep up the great podcast community and enjoy paddling.
[0:07:06 – 0:07:08] Erik: Cheers, Derek and Keegan.
[0:07:09 – 0:07:12] Erik: Nash Cato on Tumble Reddit.
[0:07:13 – 0:07:14] Erik: From the loo.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:16] Erik: It’s a fine-looking signature there.
[0:07:16 – 0:07:22] Erik: It looks pretty close to mine, which is slightly more than a scribble.
[0:07:22 – 0:07:24] Adam: Is it Derek with a C or Derek with a K?
[0:07:24 – 0:07:27] Erik: K, of course.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:29] Adam: All right.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:30] Adam: Sounds great.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:30] Adam: We got ourselves…
[0:07:31 – 0:07:36] Adam: This is our fourth sponsor, and this is from Four Hands Brewing Company.
[0:07:36 – 0:07:37] Erik: City wide.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:39] Erik: Oh man, I need something cold at this point.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:40] Erik: This is ice cold.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:47] Erik: I’ve been going back and forth with the refrigeration that I’m living with right now.
[0:07:48 – 0:07:51] Erik: It’s a smaller refrigerator and you can only put so much in there at a time.
[0:07:53 – 0:08:02] Erik: For those of you who are fully aware, I live in a van in the summer, and it’s a small fridge, so you have to allocate and prioritize.
[0:08:02 – 0:08:05] Erik: Is it battery-powered or propane-powered?
[0:08:05 – 0:08:06] Adam: It is battery-powered.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:07] Adam: Or diesel.
[0:08:07 – 0:08:09] Adam: Lithium-ion-powered.
[0:08:09 – 0:08:10] Erik: Yeah, there’s a diesel.
[0:08:10 – 0:08:12] Erik: Yeah, we just run the diesel generator all day.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:16] Adam: Got me a Ryobi fridge, 40 volt max.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:22] Erik: Yeah, to keep my tendies, biters, and lights cold.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:29] Erik: But it’s a good-sized fridge, but it’s not big enough to go full hog wild loaded up with beers.
[0:08:31 – 0:08:33] Erik: That’s a tough tab.
[0:08:34 – 0:08:35] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:08:35 – 0:08:36] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:08:36 – 0:08:42] Adam: Going to have to get yourself a cooler with some ice mounted on the roof.
[0:08:43 – 0:08:53] Erik: But so, you know, you’re always kind of like getting the iciest of beers, leaving room for, you know, what actually matters, which is food.
[0:08:54 – 0:08:54] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:55 – 0:09:00] Erik: Refilling it with the next beer, which has been fully baked because it’s
[0:09:02 – 0:09:05] Erik: These last couple of days have felt like full-blown summer.
[0:09:05 – 0:09:13] Erik: Yesterday we were in those popcorn showers, humid, hot, and then all of a sudden like icy cold downpours out of nowhere.
[0:09:14 – 0:09:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:09:15 – 0:09:21] Erik: And then today was like everywhere, except unless you were right down on the harbor, basically 80 plus.
[0:09:23 – 0:09:25] Erik: It was still warm down by the harbor.
[0:09:26 – 0:09:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:09:27 – 0:09:27] Erik: It feels like summer.
[0:09:27 – 0:09:28] Erik: It feels good.
[0:09:30 – 0:09:38] Erik: But, yeah, getting an ice-cold beer in my hands has been a mild challenge this time of year.
[0:09:38 – 0:09:39] Adam: These are ice-cold.
[0:09:39 – 0:09:41] Adam: They’re almost a little too cold, it looked like.
[0:09:41 – 0:09:42] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:09:42 – 0:09:43] Erik: Citywide.
[0:09:44 – 0:09:48] Adam: Got ourselves some French stuff on here, huh, bud?
[0:09:49 – 0:09:51] Adam: Yeah, what do they call that?
[0:09:51 – 0:09:53] Adam: That’s the Fleur de Max.
[0:09:53 – 0:09:54] Adam: Is that what that is?
[0:09:54 – 0:09:54] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:09:54 – 0:09:55] Adam: The Saints logo?
[0:09:55 – 0:10:02] Adam: It looks like the Saints logo, but I think the Saints logo is known as something else before the New Orleans Saints were a thing, is my guess.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:07] Erik: I’m pretty sure that this logo predates the… What was the…
[0:10:08 – 0:10:11] Erik: The Hitch Ransom Gate or whatever.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:13] Erik: Oh, sheesh, yeah.
[0:10:13 – 0:10:15] Erik: Putting bounties on Brett Favre.
[0:10:15 – 0:10:16] Erik: Bounty Gate, yeah.
[0:10:17 – 0:10:26] Erik: But even back in the 80s when they became a team, I’m pretty sure that’s this little, I don’t even know, what do you even call that?
[0:10:26 – 0:10:27] Adam: It’s got a name.
[0:10:27 – 0:10:29] Adam: The Fleur de Triomphe.
[0:10:29 – 0:10:31] Erik: Yes, exactly.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:34] Adam: And as they say in St. Louis.
[0:10:35 – 0:10:36] Erik: The loo?
[0:10:36 – 0:10:37] Adam: Loo.
[0:10:37 – 0:10:38] Adam: Don’t you mean loo?
[0:10:38 – 0:10:39] Adam: Loo or get out of the way.
[0:10:39 – 0:10:40] Adam: That’s what they say.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:40] Adam: Yep.
[0:10:41 – 0:10:41] Erik: Pairings.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:42] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:44] Erik: I don’t like the pairings already.
[0:10:44 – 0:10:46] Erik: Wait, there’s supposed to be pairings?
[0:10:46 – 0:10:50] Erik: You can take your toasted ravioli and get out of here.
[0:10:50 – 0:10:51] Adam: Yeah, pork steak, though.
[0:10:51 – 0:10:52] Adam: I’ll do a pork steak, though.
[0:10:52 – 0:10:53] Adam: I had a pork chop for dinner.
[0:10:53 – 0:10:55] Adam: Is a pork chop a pork steak?
[0:10:55 – 0:10:56] Adam: What’s the difference?
[0:10:56 – 0:10:57] Adam: I don’t know what else it would be.
[0:10:58 – 0:10:58] Erik: It’s a pork chop.
[0:10:59 – 0:11:00] Adam: Or a ham steak.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:02] Erik: That’s different.
[0:11:02 – 0:11:03] Erik: That is different.
[0:11:03 – 0:11:03] Adam: It’s cured, right?
[0:11:04 – 0:11:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:04 – 0:11:05] Adam: It’s more ham.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:07] Adam: More ham, less steak.
[0:11:09 – 0:11:11] Adam: Ham’s on the other side of the pork spectrum.
[0:11:11 – 0:11:11] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:13 – 0:11:14] Erik: It’s got a round bone in it.
[0:11:15 – 0:11:24] Erik: The pork steak slash or pork chops seem to have more of the classic like steak bone shape in it.
[0:11:24 – 0:11:24] Erik: But those ham steaks.
[0:11:24 – 0:11:25] Adam: The triangle shape.
[0:11:26 – 0:11:26] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:26 – 0:11:26] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:26 – 0:11:29] Adam: It looks like kind of like this French logo.
[0:11:29 – 0:11:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:30 – 0:11:31] Adam: It’s supposed to be.
[0:11:31 – 0:11:36] Adam: It’s like when the Lord Jesus Christ met a pork chop bone.
[0:11:36 – 0:11:36] Adam: That’s what you get.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:38] Adam: The fleur de pork.
[0:11:38 – 0:11:39] Erik: Fleur de pork.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:42] Adam: Or however you say pork in French sauce or whatever.
[0:11:43 – 0:11:44] Erik: I’m not even going to try.
[0:11:44 – 0:11:45] Adam: I won’t even look it up.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:46] Adam: I’m not going to.
[0:11:46 – 0:11:47] Adam: I’m not going to.
[0:11:47 – 0:11:48] Adam: I’m not going to.
[0:11:49 – 0:11:49] Adam: Hamon?
[0:11:50 – 0:11:50] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:50 – 0:11:52] Adam: Hamon.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:53] Adam: There we go.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:57] Adam: You saved me because I was floundering for sure.
[0:11:57 – 0:11:57] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:58 – 0:11:59] Adam: But yeah, it does look like a ham bone in there.
[0:11:59 – 0:12:02] Adam: But I think the round bone is the tastiest of the bone, no?
[0:12:03 – 0:12:05] Adam: You’re just talking bone?
[0:12:05 – 0:12:06] Adam: Bone flavor rankers.
[0:12:06 – 0:12:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:07 – 0:12:08] Erik: Bone flavor rankers.
[0:12:08 – 0:12:10] Adam: Which bone’s got the best marrow flavor?
[0:12:12 – 0:12:14] Erik: I don’t know if I would dabble in pork marrow, really.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:16] Erik: You won’t chew on a ham bone?
[0:12:16 – 0:12:19] Erik: I mean, sure, I guess.
[0:12:19 – 0:12:19] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:12:19 – 0:12:21] Erik: I’m not really a marrow guy, though, either.
[0:12:21 – 0:12:21] Erik: Any marrow.
[0:12:22 – 0:12:23] Erik: Not really my game.
[0:12:24 – 0:12:26] Erik: It always looks way better on TV.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:29] Erik: And then you get it, and it’s like, it’s just like.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:33] Erik: Really salty.
[0:12:33 – 0:12:37] Erik: It’s also because they salt the S out of it.
[0:12:37 – 0:12:41] Erik: But it’s like kind of like gamey glue.
[0:12:41 – 0:12:42] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:43 – 0:12:46] Adam: On one hand, I don’t want to be wasteful and you wouldn’t want something to go to waste.
[0:12:47 – 0:12:55] Adam: On the other hand, malnutrition isn’t in the top three things that are endangering humans, at least in this country.
[0:12:55 – 0:12:57] Adam: I don’t know if we need to be chewing on the bones.
[0:12:57 – 0:12:58] Adam: Most Americans.
[0:12:58 – 0:12:59] Adam: Probably bad for your teeth.
[0:13:00 – 0:13:00] Erik: Probably not needing.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:03] Adam: You don’t need those calories, honestly.
[0:13:03 – 0:13:04] Adam: Let’s face it.
[0:13:04 – 0:13:05] Adam: Most of us don’t need that.
[0:13:05 – 0:13:08] Erik: Yeah, that’s a delicacy at this point.
[0:13:10 – 0:13:11] Adam: Anyways, I think the round ones are the best.
[0:13:11 – 0:13:13] Adam: I like ham steaks.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:14] Adam: Okay.
[0:13:14 – 0:13:15] Adam: You heard it here first.
[0:13:15 – 0:13:17] Adam: Any meat with a bone in it just tastes better.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:18] Adam: Yeah, always.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:20] Adam: Obviously, bones are good.
[0:13:20 – 0:13:21] Adam: Everybody knows it.
[0:13:21 – 0:13:23] Adam: Let’s not sit here and pretend like bones aren’t good.
[0:13:25 – 0:13:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:25 – 0:13:27] Adam: The problem is with you can’t bring a bone.
[0:13:28 – 0:13:31] Adam: You could, but you don’t want to bring a bone on a Boundary Waters trip.
[0:13:32 – 0:13:36] Adam: Bone in is frowned upon because you got to pack out them bones then, or you got to eat them.
[0:13:37 – 0:13:39] Erik: Well, you just carve them down and use them as tent stakes.
[0:13:39 – 0:13:40] Erik: There you go.
[0:13:40 – 0:13:42] Erik: Repurpose the T-bone.
[0:13:43 – 0:13:44] Erik: That’s the Stu Ossoff way.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:47] Erik: What do you think he does with his T-bones after he…
[0:13:47 – 0:13:49] Adam: He stakes his canvas tent down.
[0:13:49 – 0:13:51] Adam: You don’t want your flaps to flapping in the night.
[0:13:52 – 0:13:52] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:53 – 0:13:53] Adam: He does…
[0:13:53 – 0:13:58] Adam: He puts two bones in the diagonal from each other in these two corners.
[0:13:58 – 0:14:00] Adam: And then the other two corners, he just ties his boot to them.
[0:14:01 – 0:14:02] Adam: That’s how heavy they are.
[0:14:02 – 0:14:03] Adam: And then fills them with pine cones.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:05] Adam: And then there they lay.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:14:07 – 0:14:09] Adam: And that’s the method.
[0:14:09 – 0:14:12] Adam: Anyways, you probably shouldn’t be bringing T-bones in the park.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:15] Adam: Unless you get the bone situation.
[0:14:15 – 0:14:17] Erik: Yeah, the bone situation for a short trip?
[0:14:18 – 0:14:18] Erik: Maybe.
[0:14:18 – 0:14:18] Erik: Maybe.
[0:14:19 – 0:14:24] Erik: Longer, though, I wouldn’t want to have a bone or try and burn a bone.
[0:14:25 – 0:14:28] Adam: You could use it to make up a nice broth and a stew later in the trip.
[0:14:28 – 0:14:33] Erik: You could probably just chuck that into the woods if you really were not on bike.
[0:14:33 – 0:14:34] Erik: I feel like we find bones a lot.
[0:14:36 – 0:15:00] Erik: yeah well we’ve talked i think about uh we are on the the the magnetic river granite river somewhere in there and we just stopped at a tiny little island it was the technically it was the granite river yeah and there was like uh just a pile of like like baby back rib bones on an island some maps would call it the arrow river some maps would call it that
[0:15:04 – 0:15:04] Adam: They don’t know.
[0:15:05 – 0:15:05] Adam: They don’t know.
[0:15:06 – 0:15:06] Adam: What are we doing?
[0:15:07 – 0:15:08] Adam: Talking bones.
[0:15:08 – 0:15:09] Erik: Talking bones.
[0:15:10 – 0:15:11] Erik: Bone chat.
[0:15:11 – 0:15:13] Adam: This is Tumble Home After Dark.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:15] Adam: We’re talking bones.
[0:15:16 – 0:15:20] Adam: What’s your favorite bone to bring on a trip?
[0:15:22 – 0:15:22] Erik: Dead, right?
[0:15:23 – 0:15:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:24 – 0:15:25] Adam: Okay.
[0:15:25 – 0:15:27] Adam: What’s the best bone to bring on a trip?
[0:15:31 – 0:15:34] Erik: Come home, Cass, at gmail.com.
[0:15:34 – 0:15:37] Adam: Besides the round one and a ham steak.
[0:15:37 – 0:15:40] Erik: The round one and a ham steak has already been mentioned.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:41] Erik: What other bones?
[0:15:41 – 0:15:45] Adam: That one, you just put it on your paddle, and it rattles as you paddle.
[0:15:45 – 0:15:49] Adam: And then people go by you, and they’re like, wow, that guy’s got a triple bone rattler going there.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:51] Adam: That guy must eat a lot of ham.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:52] Adam: He must be paddling a long ways.
[0:15:53 – 0:15:55] Adam: Milk bones for pups.
[0:15:55 – 0:15:58] Adam: Now we’re going to get back into monkey biscuits.
[0:15:59 – 0:16:00] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:01] Adam: The monkey biscuits, they’re not a bone.
[0:16:02 – 0:16:03] Erik: Milk bone are a bone.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:04] Erik: They don’t really shape them into anything.
[0:16:05 – 0:16:05] Erik: The monkeys don’t care.
[0:16:07 – 0:16:08] Erik: Circle is best.
[0:16:09 – 0:16:10] Erik: Circle food?
[0:16:10 – 0:16:10] Adam: Yes.
[0:16:10 – 0:16:12] Adam: Yes, we love circle food.
[0:16:12 – 0:16:13] Erik: I am monkey.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:14] Erik: Give me circle food.
[0:16:18 – 0:16:22] Adam: Ten out of ten monkeys agree circle food is best.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:28] Erik: This is pretty good beer.
[0:16:28 – 0:16:30] Erik: This is good.
[0:16:30 – 0:16:32] Erik: This is the best beer I’ve ever had from…
[0:16:33 – 0:16:33] Adam: The Lou.
[0:16:34 – 0:16:37] Adam: That’s my favorite new Lou beer as well.
[0:16:37 – 0:16:40] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:44] Erik: Have we recently had Boulevard or do we have Boulevard coming our way?
[0:16:45 – 0:16:48] Adam: I feel like that’s… We’ve had Boulevard and I believe there’s more Boulevard in there.
[0:16:48 – 0:16:51] Erik: But isn’t that also… Is that St. Louis or is that Kansas City?
[0:16:51 – 0:16:52] Adam: That’s Kansas City, brother.
[0:16:52 – 0:16:53] Adam: All right.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:54] Erik: Don’t get…
[0:16:54 – 0:16:55] Erik: I don’t want to start a… Don’t get it twisted.
[0:16:55 – 0:17:00] Erik: I don’t want to start a class riot down there in the… We don’t want any trouble in the Ozarks.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:01] Erik: The breadbasket of this country.
[0:17:03 – 0:17:04] Adam: Yes, sir.
[0:17:04 – 0:17:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:06 – 0:17:08] Adam: I’m going to give these pretty high marks, though.
[0:17:08 – 0:17:08] Adam: Thank you.
[0:17:08 – 0:17:09] Adam: Four hands brewing.
[0:17:10 – 0:17:10] Erik: St. Louis.
[0:17:10 – 0:17:11] Adam: Nicely done.
[0:17:11 – 0:17:11] Adam: High marks.
[0:17:12 – 0:17:15] Adam: The arch kind of looks like a wishbone.
[0:17:16 – 0:17:17] Adam: It does.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:19] Erik: It kind of does look like a wishbone.
[0:17:22 – 0:17:25] Erik: No TCC this week because it’s early.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:29] Erik: It’s only three days after we recorded last time.
[0:17:29 – 0:17:29] Adam: It’s true, yeah.
[0:17:29 – 0:17:31] Adam: We’re on a short hop right here.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:32 – 0:17:35] Adam: Feels like we just finished the last episode.
[0:17:35 – 0:17:36] Adam: Yeah, it sure does.
[0:17:36 – 0:17:39] Adam: We’re right back in here though, but we got 4th of July travel plans.
[0:17:40 – 0:17:42] Erik: We got all kinds of summer plans.
[0:17:42 – 0:17:43] Erik: We’re doing early recording.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:44] Erik: And we’re…
[0:17:44 – 0:17:45] Erik: We’re happy that you’re here.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:47] Erik: We’re happy that we are here.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:52] Erik: We’re going to continue on with our conversations about how do you go above and beyond.
[0:17:53 – 0:17:56] Erik: And in the park.
[0:17:57 – 0:17:58] Erik: We all know about the Bobbies and the Rexes.
[0:18:00 – 0:18:04] Erik: Close to 300 episodes worth of slagging on those guys.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:06] Erik: Yeah, we love them, though.
[0:18:07 – 0:18:09] Erik: Episode 301, Bobby and Rex respond.
[0:18:10 – 0:18:10] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:12 – 0:18:17] Adam: Yeah, we’re never going to be able to reach these guys if we don’t understand their motivations.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:19] Erik: Yeah, it’s all about the psychology.
[0:18:20 – 0:18:24] Adam: Yeah, maybe we, instead of slagging on them, you know, we need to befriend them.
[0:18:25 – 0:18:28] Erik: Yeah, I would, I mean, I would try for a little bit.
[0:18:29 – 0:18:30] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:18:31 – 0:18:31] Adam: For like a day?
[0:18:34 – 0:18:35] Adam: Depends on where I was.
[0:18:35 – 0:18:36] Adam: Ten minutes tops.
[0:18:36 – 0:18:41] Erik: Ten minutes at a bar, maybe a day if I was forced into a campsite with them.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:48] Erik: But I don’t think I would ever get myself into a situation where I would end up in a campsite with a Bobby and or a Rex.
[0:18:49 – 0:18:50] Erik: Although this September I might find out.
[0:18:51 – 0:18:52] Erik: Wow.
[0:18:52 – 0:18:52] Erik: Wow.
[0:18:53 – 0:18:57] Erik: Okay, Rabbit3683.
[0:18:58 – 0:19:00] Erik: Welcome to Tumble Home.
[0:19:00 – 0:19:01] Erik: Okay, Rabbit.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:03] Adam: Thank you for joining us.
[0:19:05 – 0:19:06] Adam: What’s your favorite bone?
[0:19:07 – 0:19:09] Erik: Okay, Rabbit, what’s your favorite bone?
[0:19:10 – 0:19:11] Erik: Raw bone?
[0:19:12 – 0:19:13] Erik: Cooked bone?
[0:19:14 – 0:19:18] Erik: Or fake pressed meal bone to bring into the park?
[0:19:20 – 0:19:24] Erik: Oh, I talk about it to anyone who will listen.
[0:19:25 – 0:19:30] Erik: Kind of like people who do CrossFit or are vegan or whatever, you know.
[0:19:31 – 0:19:34] Erik: Like, hey, I love canoes and the Bajie Waters.
[0:19:34 – 0:19:35] Erik: Do you know why?
[0:19:35 – 0:19:37] Erik: Also, it’s under threat.
[0:19:38 – 0:19:39] Erik: We must protect.
[0:19:39 – 0:19:41] Erik: In other words, I try to get the word out.
[0:19:41 – 0:19:46] Erik: Half the country or more doesn’t even know what it is, let alone that it needs protecting.
[0:19:46 – 0:19:49] Erik: Yeah, it’s an interesting take.
[0:19:49 – 0:19:54] Adam: It’s funny enough, I didn’t know what it was when I accepted my first job at Clearwater Lodge way back in the day.
[0:19:55 – 0:19:55] Adam: Yeah?
[0:19:55 – 0:19:57] Adam: My buddy was just like, I think you’d like it.
[0:19:58 – 0:19:59] Adam: Who was that buddy?
[0:19:59 – 0:19:59] Adam: Neil.
[0:20:00 – 0:20:00] Erik: Oh.
[0:20:01 – 0:20:01] Adam: Neil.
[0:20:01 – 0:20:02] Adam: Thank God for Neil.
[0:20:02 – 0:20:02] Adam: I can dock some.
[0:20:02 – 0:20:04] Adam: Neil, are you out there listening?
[0:20:04 – 0:20:05] Adam: Neil Kranick.
[0:20:05 – 0:20:07] Erik: That’s not a dog thing.
[0:20:07 – 0:20:09] Adam: I’m giving him a shout out now.
[0:20:10 – 0:20:15] Adam: If you guys can spell it based on how I said it, then you deserve to find out more about him, I guess.
[0:20:16 – 0:20:17] Adam: He’s a hero of Manitowoc.
[0:20:18 – 0:20:19] Adam: I’ll say that much.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:21] Adam: He is a dear friend.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:22] Adam: I just haven’t seen him in a long time.
[0:20:22 – 0:20:25] Erik: I do like that perspective from OK Rabbit.
[0:20:26 – 0:20:33] Erik: It’s not necessarily going above and beyond whilst in the park.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:40] Erik: I think a lot can be said to going above and beyond just in general to people who aren’t fully aware.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:42] Erik: Like, hey, where are you going this weekend?
[0:20:43 – 0:20:44] Erik: What’s the Boundary Waters like?
[0:20:45 – 0:20:47] Erik: I don’t know what this person says.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:50] Erik: It’s shocking how many people…
[0:20:52 – 0:21:01] Erik: Even in the Midwest, Minnesota, pretty tough at this point to probably find somebody who’s not aware at all.
[0:21:02 – 0:21:02] Erik: Maybe.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:14] Erik: But if you do run into somebody, treat them like anybody else who doesn’t know about it and try your best to explain to them before their eyes glaze over because of so many…
[0:21:16 – 0:21:37] Erik: moments in their life that have probably existed before that where they’re listening to somebody else talk about their hobby like oh man this pickleball thing is so crazy it’s so fun i just love the way that the ball sounds when it clacks on the panel and i can play with my old man i can play with my boy and then you just all of a sudden like 30 seconds and you’re like but
[0:21:38 – 0:21:49] Erik: I don’t know, there’s something about it, regardless of how in-depth you want to get about what your trip is, but just talking about how it absolutely must be protected.
[0:21:52 – 0:21:53] Adam: It will be protected.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:55] Erik: Basically… And that’s a promise.
[0:21:56 – 0:21:57] Erik: That’s self-defense.
[0:21:58 – 0:22:03] Erik: It’s basically a national park that’s not a national park, and that’s why I feel like it’s not as well-known.
[0:22:04 – 0:22:04] Adam: True.
[0:22:04 – 0:22:05] Adam: I wouldn’t say…
[0:22:05 – 0:22:10] Adam: I didn’t know what it was, I guess, but I was in the loop.
[0:22:10 – 0:22:12] Adam: It’s a canoe camping paradise park.
[0:22:12 – 0:22:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:13 – 0:22:15] Adam: I was like, man, there’s these lodges you can work at.
[0:22:15 – 0:22:16] Adam: I was like, sounds good.
[0:22:16 – 0:22:17] Adam: That’s all I need to know.
[0:22:18 – 0:22:25] Adam: But it wasn’t until much later, you know, through that course of that summer that I fully, like, appreciated, like, whoa, I see now what it is.
[0:22:25 – 0:22:26] Adam: How did I not know about this?
[0:22:27 – 0:22:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:27 – 0:22:37] Erik: It’s still, I mean, I feel like the Quetico Superior region, including the Bajoars, obviously, is still revealing itself to us, even though we’re, I don’t know.
[0:22:39 – 0:22:44] Erik: pretty well-accomplished Boundary Waters paddlers in terms of, like, whatever.
[0:22:44 – 0:22:47] Erik: Like, coloring in the map or saying…
[0:22:51 – 0:22:55] Erik: Basing your experience on, like, number of nights spent in the park.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:56] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:22:56 – 0:23:01] Erik: Like, that doesn’t necessarily, like, equate to experience necessarily.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:01] Erik: I mean, it does.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:03] Erik: Like, you got to draw the line somewhere.
[0:23:03 – 0:23:06] Erik: But I don’t think that any of that really matters.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:08] Erik: Like, you could go on one trip and be…
[0:23:11 – 0:23:22] Erik: enamored with the place and understand what it has going for it in terms of why it’s an important place that if anybody asks you if you’re standing around a water cooler
[0:23:23 – 0:23:25] Erik: Yeah, it’s a place that needs to be projected.
[0:23:25 – 0:23:36] Erik: That’s a good how to go above and beyond when you’re not in the park day to day, which is what most people, including me and you, are doing.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:41] Erik: We don’t really paddle that much, honestly, over the course of the year.
[0:23:41 – 0:23:44] Erik: What is the percentage of days that we spend on the water?
[0:23:45 – 0:23:47] Erik: Under 5%, you know?
[0:23:47 – 0:23:48] Adam: Not even close to enough.
[0:23:48 – 0:23:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:49 – 0:23:50] Erik: Not even close to enough.
[0:23:50 – 0:23:51] Erik: That’s true, too.
[0:23:51 – 0:23:55] Erik: But, you know, I think that’s a good take from OK Rabbit.
[0:23:55 – 0:23:55] Erik: Appreciate that.
[0:23:56 – 0:23:59] Erik: And it’s a good place to start.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:01] Erik: Pequod.
[0:24:02 – 0:24:08] Erik: Zpod turning the computer towards without unplugging.
[0:24:09 – 0:24:10] Erik: Don’t you dare.
[0:24:10 – 0:24:11] Erik: Don’t you dare unplug my mic.
[0:24:18 – 0:24:23] Adam: Pequod Seapod, dear friend of the show, is up next with 11 boxes of wine.
[0:24:24 – 0:24:26] Adam: Thank you for your response and taking time to write.
[0:24:28 – 0:24:29] Adam: Lots of good answers here.
[0:24:29 – 0:24:42] Adam: Two courtesies I try to follow while in the park are to not be seen and not be heard, no loud music or unnecessary yelling, and, if it can be helped, minimizing how much of my camp can be seen from the water.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:55] Adam: I leave something out so that people can tell the camp is occupied, but I generally try to choose a natural color for my tarps canoes and pull the canoe off and away from the water while not in use anyway.
[0:24:56 – 0:25:05] Adam: Of course, my main, largest tarp is teal-blue-green with an orange flare, and not all sites are conducive to hiding out.
[0:25:06 – 0:25:13] Adam: But when the stars align, the only people who will know they’re passing an occupied site are me and someone approaching the landing fairly close.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:14] Adam: The end.
[0:25:14 – 0:25:15] Adam: Pequod out.
[0:25:17 – 0:25:20] Adam: And I would like to drop my microphone, but I cannot.
[0:25:21 – 0:25:24] Erik: It’s hooked onto a large apparatus.
[0:25:24 – 0:25:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:25 – 0:25:25] Adam: It’s undroppable.
[0:25:26 – 0:25:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:27 – 0:25:31] Erik: That’s another unique opinion.
[0:25:31 – 0:25:33] Adam: I like the term courtesies.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:35] Erik: Not that it’s one that I’ve never heard before.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:45] Erik: I remember back in the day, my early days at Clearwater, there were these Cliff Jacobson, like paddling the boundary waters, like tips and tricks books.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:47 – 0:25:52] Erik: And a lot of it was kind of in this realm of like how to be a good steward, how to be a good…
[0:25:53 – 0:26:13] Erik: camper and i do remember one of the notes from it was like don’t take out like neon colored like rainflies or tents like try and stay kind of muted like you don’t have to be like invisible but like yeah we’re not trying to be you know sniper in a you know
[0:26:14 – 0:26:38] Adam: everything should be ghillie suited yeah no but you know no neon colors is a good start one of the things i’m always super embarrassed about and like i always just kills me a little time each uh each time it happens is when i accidentally bang the gunnel with my paddle it just makes an unmistakable and like very loud noise to me and i’m sure it’s not nearly as loud as i perceive it to be but
[0:26:39 – 0:26:47] Adam: Especially, like, if there’s people nearby or, like, you’re near another boat or something and you accidentally touch the gunwale and, like, make that little boink.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:49] Erik: Over water, too.
[0:26:49 – 0:26:50] Erik: Yeah, that’ll carry.
[0:26:50 – 0:26:50] Adam: That carries.
[0:26:50 – 0:26:53] Erik: I’m always just like, oh, shush.
[0:26:54 – 0:26:55] Erik: I did get my…
[0:26:57 – 0:27:03] Erik: No dynamite yet, but I did get the new CCS pack in the mail.
[0:27:04 – 0:27:04] Erik: Oh, good.
[0:27:04 – 0:27:05] Erik: A couple of weeks ago.
[0:27:05 – 0:27:06] Adam: Got right on that.
[0:27:07 – 0:27:11] Adam: I texted you about it maybe last week and asked if you had actually ordered it or not.
[0:27:12 – 0:27:12] Erik: I did.
[0:27:12 – 0:27:19] Erik: It sat in a box for like two weeks because I was too busy to get at it and then cracked it open.
[0:27:19 – 0:27:20] Erik: What color is that?
[0:27:20 – 0:27:22] Erik: That is a dark blue.
[0:27:22 – 0:27:23] Erik: Dark blue.
[0:27:23 – 0:27:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:27:24 – 0:27:26] Erik: Yes, my favorite color.
[0:27:27 – 0:27:30] Erik: And I thought it was a good looking color.
[0:27:31 – 0:27:32] Erik: And I can’t wait to use it.
[0:27:32 – 0:27:35] Erik: The whole front flap.
[0:27:35 – 0:27:37] Erik: Not neon pink, not an option.
[0:27:37 – 0:27:40] Erik: The whole front flap is unzippable.
[0:27:40 – 0:27:42] Erik: It’s basically like the top of the food barrel.
[0:27:43 – 0:27:44] Erik: And so you can just…
[0:27:45 – 0:27:49] Erik: I mean, it will immediately all come falling out if you unzip it at the wrong time.
[0:27:50 – 0:27:50] Erik: Sure.
[0:27:50 – 0:28:00] Erik: But I do like that aspect of those packs is there’s just a little bit of added storage for quick access to things and can’t wait to use it.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:00] Adam: Things we need.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:01] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:07] Erik: I think I’ve said my piece on wherever it comes from.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:19] Erik: I don’t want to disparage any specific country, but wherever the mountain hardware folks are having their packs made these days, it’s trash.
[0:28:20 – 0:28:26] Adam: Yeah, we discussed the straps coming loose, which is why you had to buy a new one.
[0:28:27 – 0:28:33] Erik: Yeah, I’m at the point now where I don’t want to do anything more than a weekend trip with that.
[0:28:33 – 0:28:34] Erik: It’s a number four pack.
[0:28:34 – 0:28:37] Erik: You know how much weight is going to go into this bag?
[0:28:37 – 0:28:39] Adam: A ridiculous amount.
[0:28:39 – 0:28:41] Erik: The shoulder strap needs to be about the beefiest spot in your pack.
[0:28:42 – 0:28:44] Adam: Was there any CCS packs available with the tump line?
[0:28:45 – 0:28:46] Erik: No, I don’t know.
[0:28:47 – 0:28:52] Erik: I think maybe you could fashion your own, but no, none of them came with it.
[0:28:53 – 0:28:54] Erik: Got to be your own tump.
[0:28:55 – 0:29:14] Adam: be your own tump uh yeah i don’t know most of my i don’t know the gordy’s boats uh bright white gel coats i mean i think i’m out the things you can see that thing from space i don’t know white’s white’s not bad it’s not terrible
[0:29:15 – 0:29:16] Adam: Yeah, I don’t mind it.
[0:29:16 – 0:29:17] Adam: I think it looks nice.
[0:29:18 – 0:29:21] Adam: But, I mean, when I redo it, I want to do the sparkle glitter like the bass boat.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:22] Adam: It’s a canoe.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:29] Erik: Like, what, 90% of the canoes floating around out there are probably golden yellow.
[0:29:31 – 0:29:36] Erik: Kevlar or flashy aluminum.
[0:29:36 – 0:29:36] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:29:37 – 0:29:39] Erik: Canoes are a different story.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:39] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:41] Erik: What are you going to do?
[0:29:42 – 0:29:44] Adam: It would be cool to never be seen.
[0:29:45 – 0:29:47] Adam: What’s the stealthiest color you could be?
[0:29:48 – 0:29:49] Erik: You could probably get a blue canoe.
[0:29:50 – 0:30:16] Adam: blue like but it would have to be like those battleships with the crazy like uh blocky patterns oh yeah sure yeah so it’s some sort of like aqua camo would you want that though let’s just say you don’t want to be seen ever ever what’s the best i don’t i’m not saying i want that i just i like my boat but clear if you didn’t want to be seen like yeah like think about it in stealth technology mode
[0:30:17 – 0:30:21] Adam: But like in with canoes, you’re just saying like, I don’t want to be seen.
[0:30:21 – 0:30:25] Adam: You don’t have to worry about most people in camp don’t carry radar arrays.
[0:30:25 – 0:30:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:26 – 0:30:32] Adam: But yeah, like some sort of blocky blue camo and then make your paddle in the same pattern.
[0:30:32 – 0:30:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:30:32 – 0:30:37] Adam: Because that’s the thing I always see first is not the canoe itself, but the paddle moving.
[0:30:37 – 0:30:40] Adam: Because it’ll glint off the sun or whatever.
[0:30:40 – 0:30:42] Adam: I’m talking when you see somebody from way off.
[0:30:42 – 0:30:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:43 – 0:30:45] Adam: And it’s never that you see the canoe.
[0:30:45 – 0:30:48] Adam: It’s always like, I saw a little blip over there.
[0:30:48 – 0:30:49] Adam: And then you’re looking.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:50] Adam: Yeah.
[0:30:50 – 0:30:54] Adam: And then eventually it becomes clear there is two boats over there, way down there.
[0:30:54 – 0:30:55] Adam: You see them?
[0:30:55 – 0:30:57] Adam: I’m pointing at the shed door right now.
[0:30:57 – 0:30:58] Erik: I mean, yeah, I guess.
[0:30:58 – 0:30:59] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:30:59 – 0:31:01] Adam: It’s the paddle that really is reflecting the light.
[0:31:01 – 0:31:07] Adam: First, you’d have to make the paddle so that it would absorb light and also blend into the surroundings.
[0:31:07 – 0:31:14] Erik: I don’t know if that would ever be possible because it almost always seems like what’s happening is that it’s glinting off the wet and paddle.
[0:31:14 – 0:31:15] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:15 – 0:31:15] Adam: Wet and.
[0:31:17 – 0:31:22] Adam: Yeah, how do you make a paddle that never gets wet?
[0:31:24 – 0:31:25] Adam: Sheds water like a duck.
[0:31:25 – 0:31:31] Erik: Yeah, you just start paddling around with basically like a tennis racket.
[0:31:31 – 0:31:32] Adam: Waxed.
[0:31:33 – 0:31:33] Adam: Waxed.
[0:31:33 – 0:31:36] Adam: So it just sloughs off real quick.
[0:31:37 – 0:31:38] Adam: I wax my paddle like wax.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:41] Erik: It might even be shinier, though.
[0:31:41 – 0:31:42] Adam: If you get the right wax.
[0:31:43 – 0:31:43] Adam: I know a guy.
[0:31:43 – 0:31:45] Erik: A wax guy?
[0:31:45 – 0:31:45] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:46 – 0:31:47] Erik: This guy knows a wax guy.
[0:31:49 – 0:31:49] Adam: Wax Wayne.
[0:31:50 – 0:31:51] Adam: Ha ha ha ha ha.
[0:31:52 – 0:31:54] Adam: You know Wax Wayne in Superior?
[0:31:55 – 0:31:55] Adam: Of course.
[0:31:55 – 0:31:59] Adam: That’s where I get all my wax and most of my stuff.
[0:32:00 – 0:32:03] Adam: And all my fireworks from Wax Wayne.
[0:32:03 – 0:32:08] Erik: You got any non-Minnesota approved fireworks ready to go for this weekend?
[0:32:08 – 0:32:09] Adam: I actually do, yeah.
[0:32:09 – 0:32:10] Erik: Oh, you do?
[0:32:10 – 0:32:12] Adam: They’re nothing crazy, but I mean.
[0:32:13 – 0:32:16] Adam: Just a couple bottle rockets and snappers.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:18] Adam: I got some big fountains.
[0:32:18 – 0:32:19] Adam: Big?
[0:32:19 – 0:32:20] Erik: Well, you can get big fountains, can’t you?
[0:32:20 – 0:32:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:32:21 – 0:32:21] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:32:21 – 0:32:23] Adam: I got some of those for sure.
[0:32:23 – 0:32:25] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:32:25 – 0:32:29] Adam: We’re not going to be the loudest crew on the block, that’s for sure.
[0:32:29 – 0:32:34] Adam: Last year we had sparklers and the snakes.
[0:32:34 – 0:32:36] Erik: Now this year you just have one big snake.
[0:32:36 – 0:32:37] Erik: One big ass snake.
[0:32:37 – 0:32:40] Erik: It’s the size of a hockey puck.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:43] Adam: It’s called the Inquisitor.
[0:32:43 – 0:32:44] Adam: It’s coming for you.
[0:32:44 – 0:32:47] Adam: Who wants to know your secrets?
[0:32:50 – 0:32:52] Adam: I’m going to tell Wayne.
[0:32:52 – 0:32:52] Adam: Oh, God.
[0:32:52 – 0:32:53] Adam: God damn it.
[0:32:53 – 0:32:55] Adam: I’m going to turn you to wax.
[0:32:55 – 0:32:57] Adam: I’m going to turn your bones to wax.
[0:32:58 – 0:32:59] Adam: Leave me alone, Wayne.
[0:32:59 – 0:33:00] Erik: Not my bones.
[0:33:02 – 0:33:04] Erik: That’s how they get the good wax.
[0:33:04 – 0:33:05] Erik: You were reading another one?
[0:33:05 – 0:33:06] Erik: I’ll read another one.
[0:33:06 – 0:33:07] Erik: It still turned nicely here.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:12] Adam: Next up on the show, a dear friend of the show, Squarejaw77.
[0:33:12 – 0:33:15] Adam: I promote the crap out of the podcast.
[0:33:15 – 0:33:24] Adam: That way anyone interested in canoe camping, the BWCAW, will have access to tips, tricks, gear, routes, etiquette, etc.,
[0:33:24 – 0:33:28] Adam: It’s really a great place to go whether a novice or a beginner.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:34] Adam: I also try to help out when I can on Facebook or Reddit when people ask questions about the park.
[0:33:35 – 0:33:42] Adam: Lastly, I make sure to support Outfitters by purchasing some items when I am there as well as a visit to the local businesses.
[0:33:43 – 0:33:47] Adam: Chamber of Commerce, thanks to Squarejaw77.
[0:33:49 – 0:33:51] Adam: We appreciate you voting with your dollars.
[0:33:52 – 0:33:58] Erik: Yeah, pumping the sweet, sweet numbers of this show, which have plateaued long ago.
[0:33:58 – 0:34:00] Adam: They plateaued?
[0:34:00 – 0:34:02] Adam: Are you still skyrocketing?
[0:34:02 – 0:34:05] Adam: I thought we were going up like the S&P 500, Eric.
[0:34:05 – 0:34:06] Adam: Yeah, we’re right up there.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:09] Erik: We’re battling…
[0:34:09 – 0:34:12] Erik: I can’t even think of what’s the most popular podcast anymore.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:13] Adam: They’re all crap.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:15] Adam: We’re the only real thing left on the internet.
[0:34:16 – 0:34:19] Erik: I can’t think of the dumb one that’s like the…
[0:34:23 – 0:34:27] Adam: I don’t want to say anything because I don’t want to call one of your favorite podcasts dumb by accident.
[0:34:28 – 0:34:31] Erik: No, I don’t really have any favorite podcasts.
[0:34:31 – 0:34:33] Erik: Obviously, this one’s my favorite.
[0:34:33 – 0:34:33] Erik: Come on.
[0:34:34 – 0:34:34] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:35 – 0:34:35] Erik: Thoughtless?
[0:34:35 – 0:34:36] Erik: Thinkless?
[0:34:36 – 0:34:41] Erik: What’s the one with those three Jason Bateman?
[0:34:45 – 0:34:47] Adam: I’m really not helping you out here at all.
[0:34:47 – 0:34:50] Adam: I’m just staring at them with dead eyes right now.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:52] Adam: Not going to help out.
[0:34:52 – 0:34:54] Adam: I don’t know what you’re talking about.
[0:34:55 – 0:34:56] Adam: I know what it is.
[0:34:56 – 0:34:57] Adam: I can picture it.
[0:34:57 – 0:34:59] Adam: You’re talking about the last podcast on the left?
[0:34:59 – 0:35:01] Erik: No, I’m not talking about that.
[0:35:01 – 0:35:09] Erik: Their current slash last series on the assassination of Abraham Lincoln was fantastic, though.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:15] Adam: I saw that, and I maybe even downloaded the first part of it, but I definitely haven’t listened yet.
[0:35:16 – 0:35:17] Erik: Highly recommend.
[0:35:17 – 0:35:21] Erik: Not one of those topics that I ever – I was just like, yeah, I know the story.
[0:35:21 – 0:35:31] Erik: And then you actually listen to somebody tell you about what happened and like well before it occurred and then the ramifications well after.
[0:35:31 – 0:35:36] Erik: It’s much more than I thought I could possibly learn about it.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:36] Erik: It’s great.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:38] Erik: And also funny, obviously.
[0:35:38 – 0:35:39] Erik: Obviously.
[0:35:39 – 0:35:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:41 – 0:35:42] Erik: God, it’s going to drive me crazy.
[0:35:42 – 0:35:49] Erik: I can’t think of the… And I’m sure there’s multiple people out there right now that are slamming their fists on the… Jason Bateman?
[0:35:49 – 0:35:50] Adam: Yes.
[0:35:50 – 0:35:52] Erik: Is that like…
[0:35:54 – 0:35:56] Erik: The guy from Will and Grace.
[0:35:58 – 0:36:08] Erik: And I also cannot think of the third guy who has a very iconic voice who voices the advertisements for Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups.
[0:36:09 – 0:36:10] UNKNOWN: What?
[0:36:11 – 0:36:13] Adam: The more you say, the more confused I am becoming.
[0:36:13 – 0:36:17] Erik: He’s the magician from Arrested Development.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:18] Adam: Buster?
[0:36:18 – 0:36:18] Adam: No.
[0:36:19 – 0:36:21] Adam: No, not Buster.
[0:36:21 – 0:36:22] Adam: The older brother.
[0:36:22 – 0:36:22] Adam: Yes.
[0:36:23 – 0:36:25] Adam: So it’s two of the brothers from Arrested Development?
[0:36:25 – 0:36:25] Erik: Yes, exactly.
[0:36:26 – 0:36:27] Adam: Why not Buster?
[0:36:27 – 0:36:28] Adam: It’s not Buster.
[0:36:28 – 0:36:28] Adam: Get him on there too.
[0:36:29 – 0:36:31] Adam: There’s always money in the banana stand.
[0:36:32 – 0:36:34] Erik: There’s always money in the banana stand.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:36] Adam: Burn that thing to the ground.
[0:36:38 – 0:36:39] Adam: Why would you do that?
[0:36:39 – 0:36:41] Erik: It was lined with cash, Eric.
[0:36:41 – 0:36:44] Erik: Well, we’re just going to leave that there.
[0:36:44 – 0:36:46] Adam: Do you want me to look it up while you read the next comment?
[0:36:47 – 0:36:47] Adam: I’m going to have to.
[0:36:47 – 0:36:48] Adam: I need to know now.
[0:36:48 – 0:36:50] Adam: I’m going to read this next comment.
[0:36:50 – 0:36:52] Adam: Is it a comedy podcast or politics?
[0:36:52 – 0:36:55] Erik: It’s just three famous people interviewing famous people.
[0:36:56 – 0:36:56] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:36:56 – 0:37:04] Erik: They kind of make fun of each other and then ask some questions along the way.
[0:37:05 – 0:37:07] Erik: But it’s a very popular podcast.
[0:37:07 – 0:37:08] Erik: That’s why I brought it up.
[0:37:08 – 0:37:09] Erik: We’re right up there.
[0:37:09 – 0:37:11] Erik: I think we’re second in line to that show.
[0:37:12 – 0:37:13] Erik: Smartless.
[0:37:13 – 0:37:14] Erik: Smartless.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:15] Erik: Will Arnett.
[0:37:15 – 0:37:16] Erik: There it is.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:17] Erik: It’s all coming together.
[0:37:17 – 0:37:18] Adam: And Sean Hayes.
[0:37:18 – 0:37:18] Adam: Yes.
[0:37:19 – 0:37:20] Adam: You guys listening to Tumble Home?
[0:37:21 – 0:37:23] Adam: I bet they sell ads on their show.
[0:37:23 – 0:37:25] Erik: Will Arnett, he’s from Canada.
[0:37:25 – 0:37:26] Erik: He’s a big hockey fan.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:28] Erik: Okay.
[0:37:28 – 0:37:33] Erik: And so the way that that show works is each one of them gets to find and invite somebody onto the show.
[0:37:34 – 0:37:37] Erik: And Will Arnett is always really good about bringing in like hockey people.
[0:37:37 – 0:37:38] Adam: Oh, good.
[0:37:38 – 0:37:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:37:38 – 0:37:40] Erik: He’s had like Kyle.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:41] Erik: No.
[0:37:43 – 0:37:43] Erik: Is that his name?
[0:37:44 – 0:37:45] Erik: Kyle Shanahan?
[0:37:46 – 0:37:47] Erik: No, I’m thinking of Kyle Dubas.
[0:37:47 – 0:37:48] Erik: Yeah, you are.
[0:37:48 – 0:37:48] Erik: Yes.
[0:37:49 – 0:37:54] Erik: He’s had multiple… Everybody else is always kind of in the realm of Hollywood.
[0:37:55 – 0:38:00] Erik: And he occasionally brings in… You’ve angered the fly.
[0:38:00 – 0:38:04] Erik: The rat-sized fly.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:05] Erik: Jesus.
[0:38:06 – 0:38:06] Erik: It’s getting bigger.
[0:38:07 – 0:38:08] Erik: J.D.
[0:38:08 – 0:38:09] Erik: Poussaint.
[0:38:10 – 0:38:11] Adam: Our friend in T-Bay.
[0:38:12 – 0:38:12] Adam: Up here in Canada.
[0:38:12 – 0:38:13] Adam: Our friend up there in the Lakehead.
[0:38:14 – 0:38:15] Erik: Up here in Canada.
[0:38:16 – 0:38:17] Adam: They know about Shabandawan.
[0:38:18 – 0:38:18] Erik: They do.
[0:38:19 – 0:38:21] Erik: All too well.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:27] Erik: The tumble homey north contingent often paddles in wilderness areas outside of parks.
[0:38:28 – 0:38:30] Erik: We call this crown land.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:31] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:36] Erik: Although that term is colonial and problematic.
[0:38:36 – 0:38:37] Erik: And problematic.
[0:38:37 – 0:38:39] Erik: It’s a problem.
[0:38:39 – 0:38:40] Erik: It’s a problem.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:46] Erik: These areas have portage routes that have existed since the days of the Birch Park Canoe.
[0:38:47 – 0:39:00] Erik: However, with modernization, fewer indigenous peoples rely on the canoe for transportation, and if not enough recreational users are on the portages, then they become overgrown and lost.
[0:39:01 – 0:39:02] Erik: Good time.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:03] Erik: Good time.
[0:39:04 – 0:39:20] Erik: to time to time oh no there are no paid portage crews or park staff in these areas so one of the things we the tumble home north contingent do is clear overgrown portages when traveling through them
[0:39:22 – 0:39:22] Erik: That’s nice.
[0:39:23 – 0:39:31] Adam: I mean, there’s like six rangers out there this summer, so it might be turning into that kind of PMA-style wilderness down here as well.
[0:39:31 – 0:39:32] Erik: I’m fine with that.
[0:39:33 – 0:39:35] Erik: I mean, I’m not fine with it, but I will.
[0:39:35 – 0:39:36] Adam: We will overcome.
[0:39:36 – 0:39:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:37 – 0:39:48] Erik: We get out the silky boys, brush hooks, or even a motorized brush saw once for a porter’s loss to post-fire thick as a wall jack pine regeneration.
[0:39:49 – 0:39:49] Erik: Brush hooks?
[0:39:50 – 0:39:50] Erik: Brush hooks?
[0:39:51 – 0:39:53] Erik: I’m not sure what a brush hook is, but… We need one.
[0:39:54 – 0:39:54] Adam: I need one.
[0:39:54 – 0:39:56] Adam: I don’t know what one is, but I need one.
[0:39:56 – 0:39:58] Adam: I want one.
[0:39:58 – 0:40:00] Adam: It’ll pair well with the landing tamer.
[0:40:00 – 0:40:02] Erik: Spend some time making them passable again.
[0:40:02 – 0:40:05] Adam: You gotta tame those portages.
[0:40:05 – 0:40:08] Erik: Tame that portage with a brush hook.
[0:40:09 – 0:40:11] Adam: I want to get my brush hook into that portage.
[0:40:12 – 0:40:13] Adam: Damn it.
[0:40:15 – 0:40:21] Erik: Other things we consider to be part of our ethos as Canadian paddlers is using barbless hooks, required in Quetico anyway.
[0:40:22 – 0:40:25] Erik: Revamping stone campfire rings when necessary.
[0:40:26 – 0:40:27] Erik: We don’t have fire grates.
[0:40:28 – 0:40:33] Erik: And going way, way far away from the campsite and shoreline to do our business.
[0:40:34 – 0:40:35] Erik: We do not have brown volcanoes.
[0:40:36 – 0:40:38] Adam: You bring your own toilet seats though, right?
[0:40:38 – 0:40:48] Erik: Yeah, you just big GRK, you know, lag bolt, screw that right into a tree, and then just sit right on it.
[0:40:49 – 0:40:50] Erik: There you go.
[0:40:50 – 0:40:54] Erik: We also minimize toilet paper usage with the use of backcountry bidets.
[0:40:55 – 0:40:56] Erik: Uh-huh.
[0:40:57 – 0:40:57] Erik: And burn.
[0:40:58 – 0:40:59] Adam: I got to say, that’s not going to work on me.
[0:41:02 – 0:41:02] Erik: Okay.
[0:41:03 – 0:41:05] Adam: No, can you just bleep that out?
[0:41:05 – 0:41:06] Adam: Do you want me to bleep that?
[0:41:08 – 0:41:10] Adam: Yeah, it would totally work.
[0:41:10 – 0:41:12] Adam: It sounds like a great idea.
[0:41:12 – 0:41:13] Adam: Yes, sounds great.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:13] Adam: Amazing.
[0:41:14 – 0:41:20] Erik: I also backcountry bidet and will burn what toilet paper is used as long as fire conditions permit it.
[0:41:20 – 0:41:32] Erik: One of the most frustrating things in Quetico is seeing toilet paper or human waste not being properly buried and or not being sufficiently far from the campsite and or shoreline.
[0:41:33 – 0:41:38] Erik: I feel like we could use brown volcanoes on the more popular lakes slash sites at the very least.
[0:41:38 – 0:41:41] Erik: Great question, Vazmata.
[0:41:42 – 0:41:46] Erik: Yeah, interesting take from the north, the north, the north.
[0:41:46 – 0:41:48] Adam: Contingent of the north.
[0:41:48 – 0:41:51] Erik: Yeah, and I feel the same way.
[0:41:52 – 0:42:00] Erik: I think in terms of the brown volcanoes, it’d be a hard thing to try and convince a government to figure out, which is like,
[0:42:01 – 0:42:03] Erik: These are the more popular sites.
[0:42:03 – 0:42:13] Erik: We should probably have some because that’s the thing I’ve always had a hard time with in Quantico is that some of those more popular sites, you do clearly see the people who are like,
[0:42:14 – 0:42:16] Adam: I’ve got to pee in the middle of the night or whatever.
[0:42:16 – 0:42:19] Erik: And it’s like, this is just right next to camp.
[0:42:20 – 0:42:23] Erik: Or it’s like the one rock in camp, and you lift that up.
[0:42:23 – 0:42:24] Erik: Don’t lift up a rock near camp.
[0:42:25 – 0:42:25] Erik: God.
[0:42:26 – 0:42:27] Erik: My God.
[0:42:27 – 0:42:28] Erik: What happened here?
[0:42:29 – 0:42:30] Erik: Somebody’s trying to make a chud, baby.
[0:42:32 – 0:42:34] Adam: I think you still have my shovel, by the way.
[0:42:34 – 0:42:35] Adam: I do have your trowel.
[0:42:36 – 0:42:37] Erik: I finally, only a month.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:38] Erik: Little old…
[0:42:40 – 0:43:05] Erik: barely nigh a month i finally cleaned out the bear barrel that uh oh yeah an entire canister of salt blew open in and so everything was just covered in salt so it wasn’t like a full-blown spray out it’s a good way to preserve your barrel yeah it was uh yeah it preserved everything in there it’s all nicely desiccated and dried out that’ll keep the barrel from turning
[0:43:05 – 0:43:10] Erik: All the old bags of dehydrated food were even more dried out and ready to use.
[0:43:10 – 0:43:12] Erik: Never, because we always bring them and never use them.
[0:43:12 – 0:43:13] Erik: Good thing we have them, though.
[0:43:13 – 0:43:15] Erik: But they all had to be individually wiped and rinsed.
[0:43:17 – 0:43:20] Erik: I’m just in the backyard wiping off granola bars.
[0:43:20 – 0:43:21] Erik: Like, what am I doing?
[0:43:22 – 0:43:23] Adam: Clean the snacks.
[0:43:24 – 0:43:25] Erik: I could throw this out, but no.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:28] Adam: You should have a checklist for after a trip.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:31] Adam: And that would be like item number 27.
[0:43:31 – 0:43:32] Adam: Clean the snacks.
[0:43:32 – 0:43:34] Erik: Wipe down the bars.
[0:43:35 – 0:43:38] Adam: And stow for future use.
[0:43:39 – 0:43:40] Adam: My drink?
[0:43:40 – 0:43:41] Erik: I can’t.
[0:43:42 – 0:43:43] Erik: We’re doing it.
[0:43:44 – 0:43:45] Adam: Denses are up pretty good.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:45] Erik: One.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:47] Erik: Vin?
[0:43:48 – 0:43:48] Erik: Ski?
[0:43:50 – 0:43:51] Erik: One Vin Ski.
[0:43:52 – 0:43:53] Adam: Welcome to Tumble Home.
[0:43:53 – 0:43:54] Erik: Welcome.
[0:43:54 – 0:43:55] Erik: I believe first time.
[0:43:56 – 0:44:04] Erik: I do many of the things people mention here, wood gnoming and sourcing wood away from campsites, picking up trash, clearing the fire grate.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:09] Erik: I also try to stay at some of the less used sites.
[0:44:10 – 0:44:12] Erik: It’s a thing that we’ve kind of started doing.
[0:44:13 – 0:44:13] Erik: It’s the ethos.
[0:44:13 – 0:44:24] Erik: Not out of any grand, magnanimous equaling of the playing fields, but just because we get lazy and we just want to stop for the day.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:26] Erik: We’re like, yeah, this looks great.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:31] Erik: The popular sites are really overused on some of the lakes.
[0:44:31 – 0:44:37] Erik: Yes, staying on an island is neat, but when there is no longer any grass growing in the site and it is a trampled mess…
[0:44:38 – 0:44:40] Erik: Needs a rest.
[0:44:40 – 0:44:41] Erik: I agree.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:43] Erik: One fin ski.
[0:44:44 – 0:44:45] Erik: They got to just be…
[0:44:45 – 0:44:46] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:44:46 – 0:44:47] Adam: Got BTU that site.
[0:44:48 – 0:44:59] Erik: You just got to hope that the Forest Service will have anybody working at it in a few years and maybe they can go back through and this has been done in the past.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:00] Erik: It’s not unheard of.
[0:45:00 – 0:45:03] Erik: Maybe start canceling out some sites.
[0:45:04 – 0:45:05] Erik: Closing them off.
[0:45:06 – 0:45:19] Erik: shuffling them up i don’t know maybe it’s worse maybe maybe shuffling them is worse opening up and re-trammeling new land just in the same way just restrict uh permits further and make them more expensive
[0:45:20 – 0:45:20] Erik: They are.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:22] Adam: Put it out of reach of the common man.
[0:45:23 – 0:45:28] Erik: And I don’t think I’ve heard any other comments besides, yes, please take my money.
[0:45:28 – 0:45:31] Erik: We’ve been demanding that you charge more for this for years.
[0:45:31 – 0:45:32] Erik: They’re like, I don’t know.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:33] Erik: We’re kind of weighing the options.
[0:45:33 – 0:45:34] Erik: What do you guys think?
[0:45:35 – 0:45:38] Erik: We charge you a little more for the, like, yeah, God damn it.
[0:45:38 – 0:45:39] Erik: Like, I don’t know.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:41] Erik: Who knows where that money’s going now.
[0:45:41 – 0:45:43] Erik: You should have done this 10 years ago.
[0:45:43 – 0:45:48] Adam: If I could guarantee all that money would actually go into the Boundary Waters, I’m all for it.
[0:45:48 – 0:45:50] Adam: I have zero faith that money is going to the Boundary Waters, though.
[0:45:50 – 0:45:52] Erik: At this point, probably not.
[0:45:53 – 0:45:53] Adam: Like, zero.
[0:45:54 – 0:45:58] Adam: I don’t know why everybody’s so gung-ho to be like, yeah, why not?
[0:46:00 – 0:46:03] Adam: That’s why I don’t drink that American beer no more, other than these.
[0:46:04 – 0:46:06] Adam: All that other stuff tastes like boot water.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:07] Erik: You’re just too negative.
[0:46:08 – 0:46:09] Erik: I am the optimist on the show.
[0:46:09 – 0:46:10] Adam: Always have been.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:12] Adam: I’m the realist, Eric.
[0:46:13 – 0:46:20] Adam: Next up on the show, a fellow optimist, Hopalicious, with seven boxes of wine.
[0:46:21 – 0:46:24] Adam: When I get to a portage, I move all my stuff to the side.
[0:46:24 – 0:46:33] Adam: You could be the only person for miles, but when you come back down the portage to get the second load of crap, you will get stink eye from a group that seemingly came out of nowhere.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:36] Adam: Save everyone the grief and move it to the side.
[0:46:36 – 0:46:38] Adam: Same plan at the other end of the portage.
[0:46:38 – 0:46:41] Adam: Drop your stuff to the side and go back for more.
[0:46:42 – 0:46:53] Adam: A thorough sweep of camp just before you push off is also a wise move, not only for that gravity filter you are about to leave behind, but to make sure you will leave zero trace.
[0:46:53 – 0:46:56] Adam: Don’t forget to walk up the trail to the brown volcano.
[0:46:56 – 0:47:00] Adam: You probably forgot the teepee, your binoculars, and a birding journal.
[0:47:01 – 0:47:01] Adam: The end.
[0:47:02 – 0:47:03] Adam: Seven boxes of wine.
[0:47:03 – 0:47:04] Adam: Sounds very specific.
[0:47:04 – 0:47:09] Adam: Yeah, I’ve never left my birding journal at the brown volcano.
[0:47:10 – 0:47:10] Erik: No, I don’t know.
[0:47:11 – 0:47:14] Erik: I do appreciate the Portage comment because you pull up.
[0:47:14 – 0:47:15] Erik: You never know.
[0:47:15 – 0:47:16] Erik: And you’re like, I don’t know.
[0:47:16 – 0:47:26] Adam: Somebody might be driving a blue camo canoe with waxed paddles, and you think you had seen them, but you ain’t seen them, and you sure as hell didn’t hear them.
[0:47:26 – 0:47:28] Erik: Yeah, it’s the James Bond of paddlers.
[0:47:29 – 0:47:29] Erik: You know he was there.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:33] Adam: I want to get like, yeah, I agree.
[0:47:33 – 0:47:37] Adam: You never know when somebody’s going to come out of the back bay or whatever.
[0:47:37 – 0:47:43] Erik: We got a little lazy on our Quetico trip, but we knew there’s nobody out here.
[0:47:43 – 0:47:44] Adam: Yeah, we were right.
[0:47:44 – 0:47:45] Adam: We didn’t see anybody.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:51] Adam: I feel like we weren’t egregiously in the way, but some of those portage landings, there’s only one spot anyways.
[0:47:51 – 0:47:57] Adam: Some of these BWCA landings, there’s plenty of room to adequately move to the side.
[0:47:58 – 0:47:59] Adam: No problemo.
[0:47:59 – 0:48:00] Erik: No problemo.
[0:48:00 – 0:48:00] Erik: Just do it.
[0:48:03 – 0:48:05] Adam: I am done with my first Citywide.
[0:48:05 – 0:48:06] Adam: That one tastes like freedom, buddy.
[0:48:07 – 0:48:08] Erik: Citywide.
[0:48:08 – 0:48:13] Adam: I’m going to be wearing my short shorts, my American flag short shorts for the next couple days.
[0:48:14 – 0:48:15] Adam: I’m taking the flag back.
[0:48:16 – 0:48:19] Adam: That one tastes like freedom, and I’m wearing my American flag short shorts this week.
[0:48:19 – 0:48:22] Erik: So you were just anti-bootlicker beer.
[0:48:22 – 0:48:23] Erik: I’m just saying.
[0:48:23 – 0:48:25] Erik: And then you’re just back on for two days?
[0:48:25 – 0:48:27] Adam: Corporate American beer.
[0:48:27 – 0:48:29] Adam: I’ve never heard of four hands brewing before.
[0:48:29 – 0:48:30] Adam: These guys are probably cool.
[0:48:30 – 0:48:34] Erik: Are you just judging me because I came in here drinking another light?
[0:48:34 – 0:48:35] Adam: No, I’m not.
[0:48:35 – 0:48:46] Adam: Because of the t-shirt you’re wearing, you’re absolved of any of that kind of accusations because your t-shirt’s A-plus baller deluxe over here.
[0:48:46 – 0:48:52] Erik: I’m going to take this up to the air show at the… You can wear that shirt to the air show.
[0:48:53 – 0:49:08] Adam: You better pair it with some American flag short shorts to distract from the fact that you’re advocating for that message at an air show because the Thin Blue Line crowd ain’t going to be very pleased with you over there, sir.
[0:49:08 – 0:49:10] Erik: I’m just here for the disasters.
[0:49:10 – 0:49:11] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:49:11 – 0:49:14] Adam: I’m just here to see the Blue Angels execute a tight turn.
[0:49:16 – 0:49:45] Adam: over the port that one wasn’t too bad despite the fact that I dropped it we were just talking about needing to like brush off the snacks and I was like immediately dropped the city wide beer into the ground in the tumble shed it’s like a mixture of gravel dirt and old straw it’s so it’s a I mean it’s perfect this is a straw slash dirt floor though for perfect for what we need it for so many overflowing beers are you gonna do another one here
[0:49:45 – 0:49:47] Adam: Yeah, buddy, I’m definitely going to do another one.
[0:49:47 – 0:49:48] Adam: I might do two.
[0:49:48 – 0:49:49] Adam: Whoa.
[0:49:49 – 0:49:51] Adam: Because the next one’s pretty short, so maybe I’ll do three.
[0:49:52 – 0:49:52] Adam: Wow.
[0:49:52 – 0:49:55] Adam: Next up on the show, What the Paddle?
[0:49:56 – 0:49:58] Adam: One month ago with seven boxes of wine.
[0:50:00 – 0:50:01] Adam: Thank you for your comment.
[0:50:01 – 0:50:05] Adam: Educating new… Three, two, one.
[0:50:07 – 0:50:08] Adam: What the paddle?
[0:50:08 – 0:50:09] Adam: Seven boxes of wine.
[0:50:10 – 0:50:16] Adam: Educating newcomers of the BWCA about the threats to the Boundary Waters.
[0:50:16 – 0:50:20] Adam: Most people have never heard of the mining that stands to ruin the watershed.
[0:50:21 – 0:50:24] Adam: Also, as others have said, pick up that trash that isn’t yours.
[0:50:24 – 0:50:25] Adam: Keep voices down.
[0:50:26 – 0:50:28] Adam: Unless, you know, come on, that giant fish.
[0:50:29 – 0:50:30] Adam: Yeah, that’s the only allowed.
[0:50:32 – 0:50:35] Adam: One of my favorite phrases in ice fishing is no running or yelling.
[0:50:37 – 0:50:44] Adam: And because when you’re watching tip-ups, like if anybody runs or yells, you immediately think that there’s like a flag up somewhere and everybody starts looking around.
[0:50:44 – 0:50:48] Adam: And it’s severely frowned upon to run or yell.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:49] Adam: Unless the flag is up.
[0:50:50 – 0:50:50] Adam: Unless the flag’s up.
[0:50:50 – 0:50:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:50:51 – 0:50:53] Adam: And then you’re allowed to run and yell.
[0:50:53 – 0:50:54] Adam: Right.
[0:50:54 – 0:50:56] Adam: So I agree that this is the exception.
[0:50:56 – 0:51:00] Adam: If you have a big fish on while you’re in canoe country, you are allowed to yell.
[0:51:00 – 0:51:05] Adam: And probably it’s still frowned upon to run, though, if you’re in a canoe.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:07] Adam: Don’t even think about it.
[0:51:07 – 0:51:08] Adam: Don’t run in a canoe.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:11] Adam: Even if it’s waxed, don’t even think about it.
[0:51:13 – 0:51:14] Adam: I’m not sure about the term comers, though.
[0:51:15 – 0:51:16] Erik: Newcomers?
[0:51:16 – 0:51:18] Adam: Yeah, educating newcomers.
[0:51:18 – 0:51:21] Adam: It’s just the way that it’s – it should be one word probably, huh?
[0:51:21 – 0:51:21] Adam: It is one word.
[0:51:21 – 0:51:22] Adam: It’s supposed to be one word.
[0:51:22 – 0:51:27] Adam: Okay, so that’s what threw me off and why I had to restart that one because newcomers.
[0:51:30 – 0:51:31] Adam: Newcomers, right?
[0:51:31 – 0:51:32] Erik: Newcomers.
[0:51:32 – 0:51:33] Erik: Thank you for your comment.
[0:51:33 – 0:51:35] Erik: Let’s not dwell on it too much, though.
[0:51:35 – 0:51:37] Adam: We’re going to move on to the next one here.
[0:51:37 – 0:51:38] Adam: Thank you for your comment.
[0:51:38 – 0:51:44] Adam: Next up on the show, dear friend of the show, Exhausted Horty with six boxes of wine.
[0:51:45 – 0:51:47] Adam: Everyone has taken the things…
[0:51:47 – 0:51:48] Adam: LOL.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:53] Adam: My other half and I like to participate in a lot of the same stewardship tasks mentioned here.
[0:51:53 – 0:51:59] Adam: Among the homies, picking up trash, getting rid of bobby logs, getting rid of zen rock stacks.
[0:52:01 – 0:52:03] Adam: Quote.
[0:52:03 – 0:52:06] Adam: Yes.
[0:52:06 – 0:52:11] Adam: Keeping quick and quiet on the portages and lakes and keeping stuff to the side and out of the way.
[0:52:11 – 0:52:12] Adam: Wood gnoming.
[0:52:12 – 0:52:13] Adam: All the good stuff.
[0:52:13 – 0:52:14] Adam: All the good stuff.
[0:52:15 – 0:52:23] Adam: I guess one thing to add that I didn’t see or maybe missed is we like to point out neat animals, insects, mushrooms, and plants to people we meet on the portages.
[0:52:24 – 0:52:31] Adam: Most people really seem to appreciate this, and I feel like these experiences help encourage people to protect and love this place as much as we do.
[0:52:32 – 0:52:37] Adam: We’ve had some nice shared excitement moments with random groups over some neat moth, caterpillar, or bird before.
[0:52:38 – 0:52:42] Adam: and that’s always a nice high moment for a trip, especially when shared.
[0:52:43 – 0:52:44] Adam: Now, that is a good comment.
[0:52:45 – 0:52:51] Erik: Yeah, it was one of my biggest, I don’t know, takeaway.
[0:52:52 – 0:53:00] Erik: One of the things that I appreciated the most, I guess, about when I used to guide, it wasn’t just like, this is how you start a fire.
[0:53:01 – 0:53:03] Erik: Like, this is how you do the J-stroke.
[0:53:04 – 0:53:07] Erik: It was like, this is like a…
[0:53:07 – 0:53:33] Erik: very rare flower or did you hear that bird or look at that tree like that you don’t usually see those like it’s all that filling in and the like allowing somebody to understand a place better sure they’re not going to go home and be like oh yeah i saw a blue bead lily or whatever like i saw a horse-lipped warbler saw a horse whip lip warbler on the crest of uh johnson falls
[0:53:34 – 0:53:35] Erik: Highly rare.
[0:53:35 – 0:53:36] Erik: But, like, I don’t know.
[0:53:36 – 0:53:39] Erik: Like, there’s just so many things that, like, it gives you a better understanding.
[0:53:39 – 0:53:40] Erik: It’s like anything.
[0:53:42 – 0:53:47] Erik: The better that you understand something, it’s like the more, obviously, that you can learn to appreciate it.
[0:53:47 – 0:53:56] Erik: But at the very least, it’s going to, like, create in you a reason to not want to see it destroyed.
[0:53:56 – 0:53:58] Erik: Like, or hate it.
[0:53:58 – 0:53:59] Erik: Or, like, anything.
[0:54:00 – 0:54:01] Erik: You can say it about people.
[0:54:01 – 0:54:02] Erik: You can say it about the whole…
[0:54:03 – 0:54:06] Erik: You’re going to say it about the whole goddamn current situation we’re living in.
[0:54:07 – 0:54:12] Erik: Just learn a little thing or two about whatever is going on with the Bungie water.
[0:54:12 – 0:54:18] Erik: It’s just like this commenter says, just a little bit of an extra understanding.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:19] Erik: It makes it cooler.
[0:54:20 – 0:54:21] Erik: It makes it more relatable.
[0:54:22 – 0:54:25] Erik: And it makes it feel less like a strange place.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:28] Erik: And yeah, it’s great.
[0:54:28 – 0:54:30] Adam: It’s encouraging curiosity.
[0:54:30 – 0:54:31] Adam: Exactly.
[0:54:31 – 0:54:34] Adam: Which I think is something that this world desperately needs more of.
[0:54:34 – 0:54:34] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:35 – 0:54:38] Adam: There’s not nearly enough curiosity out there these days.
[0:54:39 – 0:54:40] Erik: Is that even a thing anymore?
[0:54:40 – 0:54:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:41 – 0:54:41] Erik: Kids these days.
[0:54:41 – 0:54:42] Erik: Am I right?
[0:54:42 – 0:54:43] Adam: They love to be curious.
[0:54:44 – 0:54:45] Adam: Kids are still curious.
[0:54:45 – 0:54:48] Adam: It’s unfortunately most of the adults that lose the curiosity.
[0:54:48 – 0:54:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:49 – 0:54:56] Adam: And if you can encourage curiosity, yes, then it will make people care and want to defend it when something needs defending.
[0:54:57 – 0:54:57] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:58 – 0:54:59] Adam: We’re not going to protect it anymore.
[0:54:59 – 0:55:00] Adam: We’re going to defend it.
[0:55:01 – 0:55:05] Erik: There’s no more protection, I would think, outside of anything that’s already been protected.
[0:55:05 – 0:55:08] Erik: We’re not expanding or protecting anything new.
[0:55:08 – 0:55:15] Erik: Yeah, it’s essentially protect what’s currently in place.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:19] Erik: And there’s a lot to be pointed out to people today.
[0:55:20 – 0:55:38] Erik: Even the ones that aren’t on their first trip, like there’s, I mean, even for myself, like just this last trip up to Quetico, I learned a number of crazy things about the Dick Cheney sacred Forever Heart River, you know.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:39] Adam: Arctic ferns.
[0:55:40 – 0:55:44] Erik: Wild hops, wild ginseng, like crazy.
[0:55:45 – 0:55:46] Erik: Silver maples.
[0:55:46 – 0:55:49] Erik: Silver maples, like just all the, I don’t know.
[0:55:49 – 0:55:53] Erik: It’s just a crazy, I mean, and that’s on the kind of like the granular scale.
[0:55:53 – 0:55:59] Erik: And then you start going bigger and you get into the geology and into the way that the lakes connect.
[0:55:59 – 0:56:02] Erik: And even that, like little things like that where you just like…
[0:56:03 – 0:56:09] Erik: That was one of my favorite things about when I used to do shuttles and you’d go by the Laurentian Divide and people would be like, oh, what’s that?
[0:56:09 – 0:56:12] Erik: And you’d just be like, everybody’s heard of the Continental Divide.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:19] Erik: It’s just the concept of watersheds and just how the lay of the land works.
[0:56:19 – 0:56:23] Erik: It helps you understand it and makes it less scary.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:30] Erik: And then eventually it makes you like, I don’t know, it’s just a cool thing to know and be able to look at a map and be like,
[0:56:31 – 0:56:41] Erik: Yeah, all that water, my whole life, I just assumed, always flowed from north to south because I’m from central Minnesota, and that’s what the water does.
[0:56:41 – 0:56:48] Erik: No, actually, up here, it flows north, and that’s a crazy thing for people from most other places.
[0:56:48 – 0:56:50] Adam: The people in the loo can’t believe it.
[0:56:50 – 0:56:51] Erik: No, like what?
[0:56:51 – 0:56:52] Erik: What are you talking about?
[0:56:52 – 0:56:55] Erik: Like just little things like that and it’s – I don’t know.
[0:56:55 – 0:56:56] Erik: It’s a good thing.
[0:56:56 – 0:57:03] Erik: I don’t know how many opportunities you would get to do that like in the wild like as you cross paths with people.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:12] Erik: But obviously, if you’re on a trip with like a first-timer or somebody who’s relatively new, like that kind of sharing of information –
[0:57:14 – 0:57:23] Erik: Whether or not they’re super into it, I think eventually they’ll probably remember it and take a good thing away from that.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:27] Erik: A lot of good comments this second week on this question.
[0:57:29 – 0:57:30] Erik: We got Bob Ross.
[0:57:31 – 0:57:31] Erik: Paddler.
[0:57:33 – 0:57:35] Erik: Love all this above.
[0:57:36 – 0:57:37] Erik: Yeah, we’re kind of getting down.
[0:57:37 – 0:57:43] Erik: We’ve definitely been ringing out this conversation, which I feel like we have had kind of like
[0:57:44 – 0:57:52] Erik: you know, like adjacent, like if it was a bullseye, we’re hitting like the doubles on the kind of the outside of the board with this conversation.
[0:57:52 – 0:57:57] Erik: But this is a, we’re definitely nailing some bullseyes here with these comments.
[0:57:58 – 0:58:00] Erik: Bob Ross Paddler, love all this above.
[0:58:00 – 0:58:08] Erik: I will add that I think a homie knows the time and place for social noise or lack thereof.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:12] Erik: Most times, quiet is the mode of operation.
[0:58:13 – 0:58:21] Erik: But a homie knows a good chi-hoo, or a wine-slapping good-timer on the fire also has a place for embracing all that the park offers to us.
[0:58:22 – 0:58:28] Erik: I really enjoy times of less human interaction in the park.
[0:58:28 – 0:58:30] Erik: It’s a break from the rat race for me.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:42] Erik: Maybe it makes me seem antisocial at some portages, but I’d rather give everyone space to see the park in their own way versus start up another conversation on the weather.
[0:58:43 – 0:58:46] Erik: Right noise level at the right time and the right place.
[0:58:49 – 0:58:53] Adam: I’m not talking the weather, but I will ask somebody where they’re from maybe.
[0:58:54 – 0:58:54] Erik: Sure.
[0:58:54 – 0:58:55] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:58:55 – 0:58:56] Adam: I’m definitely too noisy still.
[0:58:57 – 0:58:58] Erik: I probably am too.
[0:58:58 – 0:59:02] Erik: And I do get the right time, right place, right moment, that whole thing.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:10] Erik: You know, if you’re at the top of Thunder Point and you got a bag of wine and you just climbed up there with, did I see a picture of somebody who pours a canoe up to the top of that?
[0:59:10 – 0:59:10] Adam: You did, yeah.
[0:59:11 – 0:59:12] Adam: The hell?
[0:59:12 – 0:59:12] Adam: Why not?
[0:59:13 – 0:59:15] Adam: The canoe wants to see it too.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:16] Adam: My God.
[0:59:16 – 0:59:18] Adam: You know, your canoe wants to see those vistas as well.
[0:59:19 – 0:59:22] Erik: Yeah, that’s a time and a place for a chi-hoo and a slap in the wine bag.
[0:59:22 – 0:59:23] Erik: Sure, obviously.
[0:59:23 – 0:59:29] Erik: It’s late night, you’re right down in the water, sitting next to a crackling fire.
[0:59:30 – 0:59:34] Erik: That’s probably more of a moment for silence or a quiet conversation.
[0:59:34 – 0:59:42] Erik: Or fire up that, I don’t know, nice little trombone.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:43] Adam: Hand crank radio.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:44] Erik: Hand crank radio.
[0:59:45 – 0:59:46] Adam: Yeah, know your surroundings.
[0:59:46 – 0:59:48] Adam: I mean, we talked earlier.
[0:59:48 – 0:59:50] Adam: It’s like sometimes it is hard to know when somebody is right around the corner.
[0:59:51 – 0:59:57] Adam: Everybody’s had that moment where you’re like loudly talking and paddling and you come around the corner and you’re like, whew, there’s people right there.
[0:59:57 – 0:59:59] Adam: It’s like, oh, no, that’s embarrassing.
[0:59:59 – 1:00:02] Erik: They probably heard everything we were talking about for the last hour.
[1:00:03 – 1:00:03] Adam: Yeah, probably.
[1:00:05 – 1:00:11] Adam: But, you know, there are times when you’re out there and you’re on a lake and you know you’re the only people on that lake for the night.
[1:00:11 – 1:00:15] Adam: And then, you know, it’s all right to, you know, laugh a little.
[1:00:16 – 1:00:16] Adam: Yeah.
[1:00:17 – 1:00:18] Adam: And not feel bad about it.
[1:00:19 – 1:00:27] Erik: Not that we’re, you know, Quetico snobs or anything, but it seems like you find yourself in a situation more often up there than in the Boundary Waters.
[1:00:27 – 1:00:32] Erik: Not that I want to go out there and be, like, super loud, but it’s nice to not have to think about.
[1:00:33 – 1:00:39] Adam: I still have only seen, like, a handful of people in Quetico, and I’ve spent a pretty good amount of nights in Quetico at this point.
[1:00:39 – 1:00:39] Adam: Right.
[1:00:40 – 1:00:44] Adam: A lot of it’s been off-season, sure, but I’ve very rarely seen anybody.
[1:00:44 – 1:00:46] Adam: It’s weird when you see somebody in Quetico still for me.
[1:00:47 – 1:00:48] Adam: It’s always shocking.
[1:00:49 – 1:00:53] Adam: Whereas in the BWCA, it’s pretty much expected.
[1:00:53 – 1:00:54] Erik: Kind of expected, yeah.
[1:00:55 – 1:00:56] Erik: You’re going to see them.
[1:00:56 – 1:01:03] Adam: But out there, you get to that mode where you haven’t seen anybody in a while, and then you do see somebody in the distance even.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:04] Adam: You’re like, holy moly, hot dog.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:10] Erik: Yeah, we’ve been cackling like shrieking baboons out here for days on end.
[1:01:10 – 1:01:11] Adam: The bird is near you.
[1:01:13 – 1:01:14] Adam: It’s coming for that beer.
[1:01:15 – 1:01:16] Adam: It wants to go citywide, baby.
[1:01:16 – 1:01:17] Erik: Citywide.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:18] Erik: Bass.
[1:01:18 – 1:01:18] Erik: Bass?
[1:01:19 – 1:01:19] Erik: Bass.
[1:01:19 – 1:01:20] Erik: Timely.
[1:01:21 – 1:01:21] Erik: Bass or bass?
[1:01:21 – 1:01:22] Erik: Bass.
[1:01:22 – 1:01:23] Erik: Bass Timely.
[1:01:23 – 1:01:25] Erik: Bass Timely, 70-44.
[1:01:26 – 1:01:30] Erik: The group gets seasoned vacuum-sealed ribeyes on the first night.
[1:01:30 – 1:01:31] Erik: Bone-in?
[1:01:32 – 1:01:34] Erik: No way.
[1:01:34 – 1:01:38] Erik: No recommendation and or mention of bone.
[1:01:38 – 1:01:39] Adam: No, no, ribeye, you don’t need it.
[1:01:40 – 1:01:47] Erik: I’ll hook the non-fishing canoe up with a small tackle box of assorted lures that I’m not concerned about losing.
[1:01:48 – 1:01:50] Erik: I also carry the community wine.
[1:01:50 – 1:01:52] Erik: Thanks again for the tip gentlemen.
[1:01:52 – 1:01:53] Erik: On community wine?
[1:01:54 – 1:01:55] Erik: I don’t know what the tip was.
[1:01:56 – 1:01:57] Adam: You’re welcome.
[1:01:59 – 1:02:00] Adam: Absolutely.
[1:02:01 – 1:02:02] Erik: Oh, there’s only two more comments here.
[1:02:04 – 1:02:05] Erik: The bugs have found us.
[1:02:05 – 1:02:06] Adam: You can do one.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:07] Adam: Yeah, we might need to flee here.
[1:02:07 – 1:02:10] Adam: The bugs finally got in here because they’re pretty bad out there at night.
[1:02:10 – 1:02:15] Adam: And I was shocked that they hadn’t found their way into the shed earlier because they always do.
[1:02:15 – 1:02:16] Erik: And I am wearing shorts.
[1:02:17 – 1:02:18] Adam: I am too.
[1:02:18 – 1:02:19] Erik: They’re short.
[1:02:19 – 1:02:22] Erik: Cornered with a K47.
[1:02:22 – 1:02:29] Erik: I think being generally pleasant to others is a plus in any walk of life, but especially in wilderness settings.
[1:02:30 – 1:02:35] Erik: Anytime I’m backpacking anywhere, I’m away from people for a good while.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:36] Erik: That’s great.
[1:02:36 – 1:02:37] Erik: That’s what it’s about.
[1:02:37 – 1:02:39] Erik: However, I’m also living an adventure.
[1:02:40 – 1:02:43] Erik: If I do encounter someone, I ask about their adventure.
[1:02:43 – 1:02:45] Erik: Are they struggling and needing something?
[1:02:45 – 1:02:47] Erik: Are they killing it and want to brag a bit?
[1:02:48 – 1:02:53] Erik: Are they after a hot tip for the walleye bite or an awesome feature just off the path up ahead?
[1:02:54 – 1:02:58] Erik: I may be the only person that traveler sees all day.
[1:02:58 – 1:03:03] Erik: I want them pleased with humanity as they continue beyond our encounter.
[1:03:04 – 1:03:04] Erik: Wow.
[1:03:04 – 1:03:05] Erik: I like that too.
[1:03:05 – 1:03:06] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:03:06 – 1:03:07] Erik: There is something to be said.
[1:03:07 – 1:03:16] Erik: We’ve talked about this numerous times where, especially once you’re out there and you run into those people, there’s just that like level of camaraderie.
[1:03:16 – 1:03:16] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:16 – 1:03:17] Adam: You get the bond.
[1:03:17 – 1:03:20] Erik: It’s just inherent before a word is even spoken.
[1:03:20 – 1:03:22] Erik: Like you’ve worked to get out here.
[1:03:23 – 1:03:24] Erik: We’ve worked to get out here.
[1:03:24 – 1:03:25] Erik: Like, what’s going on, man?
[1:03:25 – 1:03:26] Erik: This is great.
[1:03:26 – 1:03:28] Erik: Did we just become best friends?
[1:03:28 – 1:03:30] Erik: But then, like, I don’t know.
[1:03:31 – 1:03:34] Adam: How many, like, one-minute friendships have you had in the Boundary Waters?
[1:03:34 – 1:03:34] Adam: Plenty.
[1:03:35 – 1:03:35] Adam: Yeah, a lot.
[1:03:35 – 1:03:42] Erik: But then also plenty of times where you get the sense where it’s like, yeah, this dude is not into it, you know?
[1:03:43 – 1:03:45] Erik: He’s just not that into us.
[1:03:45 – 1:03:49] Erik: We’re in the middle of the Frost River, and okay, he’s going to go on his way.
[1:03:50 – 1:03:50] Erik: That’s fine.
[1:03:51 – 1:03:52] Erik: That’s fine, too.
[1:03:52 – 1:03:54] Erik: I always get a little bit of a rush.
[1:03:54 – 1:03:56] Adam: He didn’t even want to buy any of our gemstones.
[1:03:56 – 1:03:57] Erik: Yeah, we tried.
[1:03:57 – 1:04:02] Adam: I got out the little briefcase and everything, and he was like, leave me alone, whatever that means.
[1:04:04 – 1:04:07] Erik: A nice square black suitcase that flips down.
[1:04:07 – 1:04:08] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:08 – 1:04:09] Erik: Filled with gems.
[1:04:10 – 1:04:10] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[1:04:12 – 1:04:15] Adam: I don’t think I’ve actually ever had anybody tell me to just leave them alone.
[1:04:15 – 1:04:16] Adam: Leave me alone, please.
[1:04:16 – 1:04:18] Adam: In the Boundary Waters, at least.
[1:04:18 – 1:04:20] Erik: I’m thinking.
[1:04:21 – 1:04:26] Adam: Last up on the show, welcome to Tumble Home, Suddenly Literate.
[1:04:28 – 1:04:28] Adam: Welcome back.
[1:04:29 – 1:04:31] Adam: One box of wine 15 minutes ago.
[1:04:31 – 1:04:33] Erik: Whoa.
[1:04:33 – 1:04:34] Erik: You just made it in.
[1:04:34 – 1:04:36] Erik: That might be the world record.
[1:04:36 – 1:04:37] Erik: What?
[1:04:38 – 1:04:39] Erik: Skin of your teeth.
[1:04:39 – 1:04:41] Adam: Yeah, all right.
[1:04:41 – 1:04:44] Adam: I’m feeling pretty excited right now for all of us.
[1:04:45 – 1:04:46] Adam: Thank you for the comment.
[1:04:46 – 1:04:48] Erik: What if it’s horrible, though?
[1:04:51 – 1:04:53] Adam: One minute friendship rescinded.
[1:04:53 – 1:04:57] Adam: No, we’re going to be friends, suddenly literate, I guarantee it.
[1:04:57 – 1:05:00] Adam: Just returned from the land of Mudro on a lollipop loop.
[1:05:01 – 1:05:07] Adam: While we always like to leave our sites better than we found them, this year seemed to underscore the chore in camp chores.
[1:05:08 – 1:05:16] Adam: I normally give a gentlemanly nod when I find a site visited by a wood gnome, but this year almost every site was bobby gnomed.
[1:05:16 – 1:05:17] Adam: Is that even a thing?
[1:05:18 – 1:05:27] Adam: Wood was either excessively large or inappropriate to burn, or there was large piles of brush heaped haphazardly next to the fire grate.
[1:05:28 – 1:05:28] Adam: No worries, though.
[1:05:29 – 1:05:33] Adam: We dutifully burned off and cleaned up, even down to sweeping the kitchen area.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:34] Adam: Nice.
[1:05:36 – 1:05:39] Adam: Yeah, that’s a pretty common… You find one that’s just a mess.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:43] Erik: Pretty common boundary water is firewood tactic, which is like…
[1:05:45 – 1:05:45] Erik: Yeah, thanks.
[1:05:45 – 1:05:46] Adam: Drag it all in here.
[1:05:46 – 1:06:03] Erik: Thanks for the years worth of not even kindling, just like that brushy, scrappy spruce undercuts to get the flames about four feet into the air.
[1:06:04 – 1:06:08] Erik: No kindling, and then just like 12-inch round charred birch.
[1:06:09 – 1:06:13] Erik: It’s like both ends of the spectrum, neither of which are necessary.
[1:06:14 – 1:06:18] Adam: They’re not hitting the sweet spot at all.
[1:06:18 – 1:06:20] Adam: I assume they’re doing their best.
[1:06:20 – 1:06:23] Erik: All of the off cuts that they didn’t have any use for.
[1:06:23 – 1:06:28] Erik: It’s like, well, thanks for the huge brush pile and the charred logs.
[1:06:29 – 1:06:37] Erik: Or not charred, but also I’m not going to go to the effort to try and turn that huge log into anything worth burning.
[1:06:40 – 1:06:43] Erik: But it’s nice of you that you are able to hack up.
[1:06:44 – 1:06:47] Adam: At the very least, we usually do try and get rid of that brushy stuff.
[1:06:48 – 1:06:49] Adam: Get it out of there, yeah.
[1:06:49 – 1:06:49] Adam: But I don’t know.
[1:06:50 – 1:06:53] Adam: I don’t usually mess with the big logs.
[1:06:53 – 1:06:54] Adam: Let them lie.
[1:06:55 – 1:06:55] Adam: No.
[1:06:56 – 1:06:56] Adam: You rest now.
[1:06:57 – 1:06:58] Adam: That’s what I say to those.
[1:06:58 – 1:06:59] Erik: Rest and rot.
[1:07:01 – 1:07:02] Adam: Become soil.
[1:07:02 – 1:07:03] Adam: Become soil.
[1:07:03 – 1:07:04] Adam: Is that it?
[1:07:04 – 1:07:05] Adam: That’s all of them.
[1:07:05 – 1:07:05] Adam: We’re done.
[1:07:05 – 1:07:06] Adam: All right.
[1:07:06 – 1:07:07] Adam: Yeah.
[1:07:07 – 1:07:08] Adam: Good show, everyone.
[1:07:08 – 1:07:09] Adam: Good show, everyone.
[1:07:09 – 1:07:10] Adam: You guys are great tonight.
[1:07:10 – 1:07:13] Adam: I’m really appreciative of all these comments.
[1:07:14 – 1:07:15] Adam: And I’m really proud of you all.
[1:07:15 – 1:07:21] Adam: You guys have really demonstrated some kindness and understanding.
[1:07:22 – 1:07:23] Adam: And we need more of that.
[1:07:25 – 1:07:26] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[1:07:26 – 1:07:29] Adam: I like the idea of just making little friends on the portage.
[1:07:29 – 1:07:32] Adam: And I like the idea of leaving a campsite looking really nice.
[1:07:32 – 1:07:34] Adam: I think that’s a lot of what it boils down to.
[1:07:34 – 1:07:40] Adam: But I think I’ve learned tonight that I need to try and be a little bit more quiet in the Boundary Waters because I’m still probably just a little too loud.
[1:07:41 – 1:07:43] Adam: And I think I also want to get myself a camp rake.
[1:07:44 – 1:07:45] Adam: There’s another reference to sweeping.
[1:07:46 – 1:07:50] Adam: The campsite, maybe even two references, is sweeping a campsite this week.
[1:07:51 – 1:07:52] Adam: And I don’t know.
[1:07:52 – 1:07:54] Adam: Do they actually make these little tiny rakes?
[1:07:54 – 1:07:55] Adam: I want to do the Zen.
[1:07:55 – 1:07:57] Adam: I don’t want to do the Zen rock stacks.
[1:07:58 – 1:08:00] Adam: I do want to leave Zen grooves.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:06] Adam: Is leaving Zen grooves in the pine needles considered leaving a trace?
[1:08:06 – 1:08:07] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:08:07 – 1:08:10] Adam: It’s probably going to be gone the next time it’s got a little bit of a breeze.
[1:08:10 – 1:08:10] Adam: Probably.
[1:08:10 – 1:08:11] Adam: Probably.
[1:08:12 – 1:08:13] Adam: It would look nice, though.
[1:08:14 – 1:08:20] Adam: And, yeah, a little rake would go a long ways towards just clearing off all the little twigs and sticks that you might want to not step on.
[1:08:20 – 1:08:24] Erik: Well, maybe we should go, maybe not this weekend because we’re busy.
[1:08:25 – 1:08:28] Adam: Yeah, wearing our short shorts for America.
[1:08:28 – 1:08:34] Erik: One of these next few weeks we should just, I don’t know, they don’t know what’s going on down there.
[1:08:34 – 1:08:39] Erik: We just park down at Superior National, walk out to the first sand trap, just take one of their sand trap rakes.
[1:08:41 – 1:08:42] Adam: It’s public owned.
[1:08:42 – 1:08:43] Adam: That’s our rake.
[1:08:43 – 1:08:44] Adam: Yeah, that’s my rake.
[1:08:44 – 1:08:45] Adam: Yeah, that’s my rake.
[1:08:45 – 1:08:45] Adam: We’re going to need this.
[1:08:46 – 1:08:47] Adam: Anybody yells at me?
[1:08:47 – 1:08:48] Adam: I paid for this rake.
[1:08:48 – 1:08:49] Erik: This is my rake.
[1:08:49 – 1:08:51] Erik: They were borrowing it from me.
[1:08:51 – 1:08:52] Erik: Throw it in the back of the truck and drive off.
[1:08:54 – 1:08:57] Erik: I’m going to cut this down and use it to rake campsites.
[1:08:58 – 1:08:58] Adam: Don’t you see?
[1:08:58 – 1:09:03] Adam: So what you do is you just bring the head of the rake, and then you find an appropriate stick.
[1:09:03 – 1:09:04] Erik: Yeah, there you go.
[1:09:04 – 1:09:07] Adam: And then tie it on there, and then use that to rake.
[1:09:07 – 1:09:13] Adam: Or are we talking like you get a little tiny telescopic rake, just enough to do the job.
[1:09:13 – 1:09:15] Adam: I don’t need to actually be moving.
[1:09:15 – 1:09:16] Erik: Just like this wide?
[1:09:16 – 1:09:17] Adam: Yeah, just a little tiny rake.
[1:09:17 – 1:09:19] Adam: I think that’s mostly what people are talking about here.
[1:09:19 – 1:09:20] Adam: Sure.
[1:09:20 – 1:09:24] Adam: It would be like the Coghlan’s camp broom and dustpan equivalent of a rake.
[1:09:24 – 1:09:26] Erik: Could also be too much, though, at the same time.
[1:09:26 – 1:09:29] Adam: It might be too much, honestly, and it’s silly.
[1:09:29 – 1:09:30] Adam: Yeah.
[1:09:30 – 1:09:32] Adam: You could easily just rake with your Crocs.
[1:09:32 – 1:09:33] Adam: Just sort of kick it over.
[1:09:34 – 1:09:34] Erik: It’s foot raking.
[1:09:35 – 1:09:35] Adam: Yeah, foot rake it.
[1:09:36 – 1:09:36] Adam: There we go.
[1:09:36 – 1:09:38] Adam: I think we’ve achieved the ultimate there.
[1:09:38 – 1:09:41] Adam: We don’t need an actual rake, but you can foot rake it.
[1:09:41 – 1:09:43] Erik: I might still stop by and steal a sand trap rake, though.
[1:09:44 – 1:09:44] Adam: Yeah, that would be fun.
[1:09:44 – 1:09:45] Erik: I kind of want one.
[1:09:47 – 1:09:48] Adam: Freedom isn’t free.
[1:09:49 – 1:09:50] Erik: But sand trap breaks are.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:51] Adam: For you and me.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:55] Erik: For you and me, sand trap breaks are free.
[1:09:56 – 1:09:59] Erik: That’s a hefty fee for us, yeah.
[1:09:59 – 1:10:01] Erik: It’s a hefty fucking fee.
[1:10:01 – 1:10:02] Erik: That’s right.
[1:10:05 – 1:10:06] Erik: Oh, baby.
[1:10:06 – 1:10:12] Erik: Thank you all for listening to this series, little light series on a question that was posed by Fazmata.
[1:10:13 – 1:10:14] Erik: How do you go above and beyond?
[1:10:15 – 1:10:18] Erik: You know, it’s one of those things on its face immediately.
[1:10:18 – 1:10:19] Erik: I was like, we’ve kind of talked about
[1:10:19 – 1:10:45] Erik: this we’re gonna do this again but uh that there was plenty plenty new uh especially in the out of the park and talking to people about exactly why the boundary waters is a place worth protecting and what is at stake in terms of what’s threatening it because it’s not one of those things that yeah you kind of maybe you know you’re sitting on your lunch hour brush by it maybe occasionally and
[1:10:46 – 1:11:04] Erik: couple of times a year maybe npr will like mention it but like really if you’re not paying attention which we’ve always said don’t stop paying attention and i surely haven’t but it’s really getting hard to keep paying attention but i i think uh one of the things that a
[1:11:08 – 1:11:29] Erik: Without causing their eyes to cross or go back into their head, just be like, yeah, this is a place I really like going and it’s also under threat from a foreign mining conglomerate that wants to do things that have consistently in the past failed and ruined watersheds.
[1:11:29 – 1:11:30] Erik: It’s as simple as that.
[1:11:31 – 1:11:32] Erik: That’s all you need to say.
[1:11:32 – 1:11:42] Erik: And also, if there are people out there, I do love some of the new comments that we heard tonight about just sharing little bits of information.
[1:11:42 – 1:11:45] Erik: If people are open to them…
[1:11:46 – 1:11:55] Erik: not to say that you need to force your commentary on somebody on a portage, but if there’s somebody that’s like kind of seemingly like, like new, I don’t know.
[1:11:55 – 1:11:57] Erik: Just be like, Hey, like, look at this.
[1:11:57 – 1:11:58] Erik: This is a cool thing.
[1:11:58 – 1:12:03] Erik: Or, you know, you can chew on this and it’s like a little wild, like wintergreen.
[1:12:03 – 1:12:05] Erik: Like that was always one of my favorites.
[1:12:05 – 1:12:09] Erik: Again, like when I was taking people out as a guide, it was like, this is,
[1:12:10 – 1:12:12] Erik: This stuff grows up here like wild.
[1:12:13 – 1:12:15] Erik: It’s like peppermint.
[1:12:15 – 1:12:15] Adam: Nibble it.
[1:12:16 – 1:12:16] Adam: Nibble it up.
[1:12:16 – 1:12:17] Erik: Just nibble it up.
[1:12:17 – 1:12:24] Adam: I was joking on the subreddit today that I was going to just start loudly giving out spoilers to the show Lost on portages in front of people.
[1:12:24 – 1:12:27] Erik: The show’s 15 years old, buddy.
[1:12:27 – 1:12:33] Adam: That guy in the hot air balloon, he killed the Dharma Initiative, and I’ll tell you what, he’s not from Minnesota.
[1:12:33 – 1:12:34] Adam: What?
[1:12:34 – 1:12:35] Erik: Henry Gale?
[1:12:35 – 1:12:36] Erik: What?
[1:12:37 – 1:12:39] Erik: Henry Gale was from Minnesota, wasn’t he?
[1:12:39 – 1:12:41] Adam: He’s definitely not who he seems.
[1:12:42 – 1:12:43] Adam: Well, I don’t know about that.
[1:12:43 – 1:12:45] Adam: He seems pretty trustworthy.
[1:12:45 – 1:12:47] Erik: Oh, I was binging that show.
[1:12:47 – 1:12:48] Erik: 20 years ago.
[1:12:48 – 1:12:49] Erik: Damn.
[1:12:53 – 1:12:53] Erik: Is that how long it’s been?
[1:12:54 – 1:12:54] Adam: Yeah, for real.
[1:12:55 – 1:12:58] Adam: Where’s Jack Shepard these days?
[1:12:59 – 1:12:59] Adam: He’s retired, baby.
[1:12:59 – 1:13:08] Adam: I do like leaving a trace by maintaining the portages a little bit if you can, too.
[1:13:09 – 1:13:17] Adam: One of the only good ways to leave a trace is by getting out the old brush hook and clearing some portage debris.
[1:13:17 – 1:13:19] Erik: That isn’t really leaving a trace, though, is it?
[1:13:20 – 1:13:21] Adam: That’s getting rid of the trace.
[1:13:21 – 1:13:21] Adam: Trace of cleanliness?
[1:13:21 – 1:13:23] Adam: Yeah, that’s cleaning.
[1:13:23 – 1:13:25] Adam: That’s trace cleanse.
[1:13:25 – 1:13:26] Adam: Trace cleanse.
[1:13:27 – 1:13:34] Erik: I was thinking the only trace worth leaving is one with another person in terms of your sharing of knowledge and or memories.
[1:13:34 – 1:13:35] Adam: Oh, my God.
[1:13:35 – 1:13:36] Adam: Now we’re talking.
[1:13:36 – 1:13:37] Adam: Now we’re really talking, baby.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:38] Adam: Memory trace.
[1:13:38 – 1:13:38] Adam: Yeah.
[1:13:39 – 1:13:40] Erik: Memory trace.
[1:13:41 – 1:13:42] Erik: Nailed it.
[1:13:42 – 1:13:44] Erik: I’ll leave a trace in your mind.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:48] Erik: Thank you.
[1:13:49 – 1:13:49] Erik: All right.
[1:13:49 – 1:13:50] Erik: These bugs are swarming.
[1:13:50 – 1:13:51] Erik: We got to get out of here.
[1:13:51 – 1:13:55] Adam: As we always say in Tumblum, every day is precious and life is a miracle.
[1:13:55 – 1:13:57] Adam: Thank you for listening and thank you for the comments.
[1:13:57 – 1:14:01] Adam: Thank you to our patrons and we hope you have a delightful weekend.
[1:14:14 – 1:14:15] UNKNOWN: Thanks for watching!