021: The Unexpected Visitor

Episode Transcript

[0:00:30 – 0:00:38] Adam: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast sponsored by Clearwater Lodge, Historic Lodge, and Outfitters.
[0:00:38 – 0:00:39] Adam: Don’t forget the historic part.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:40] Erik: That’s right.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:41] Adam: It’s quite historic.
[0:00:43 – 0:00:43] Adam: And I’m Adam.
[0:00:43 – 0:00:44] Adam: I’m Adam.
[0:00:45 – 0:00:46] Adam: I’m Eric.
[0:00:46 – 0:00:46] Adam: Hello.
[0:00:46 – 0:00:51] Adam: We’re here at the Cadence River Studio for episode 021.
[0:00:52 – 0:01:00] Adam: And on this episode, we’ll be recapping Eric’s recent guided trip through Bower Trout into the unknown.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:01] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:05] Adam: And also be talking about bugs and pests.
[0:01:06 – 0:01:06] Adam: Bugs.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:08] Adam: It’s bug and pest season.
[0:01:09 – 0:01:09] Adam: They’re out there.
[0:01:09 – 0:01:11] Adam: I was just standing out by our septic mound.
[0:01:12 – 0:01:16] Adam: There’s quite a nice array of flies, skeeters, and ants.
[0:01:17 – 0:01:21] Erik: I was sitting out on your lovely deck out here in the beating sun.
[0:01:22 – 0:01:22] Erik: It’s hot.
[0:01:22 – 0:01:24] Erik: And there were some flies.
[0:01:25 – 0:01:38] Erik: Some of the flies that you let land and hang out just long enough that you get that cocked pointer finger behind the thumb and you get up nice and close and then you just wham, smear them right on your leg.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:41] Adam: Sometimes they go away, but sometimes they don’t get the hint.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:42] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:48] Adam: So it’s kind of getting into bug season up here, and so our question of the week touches on this theme.
[0:01:49 – 0:01:56] Adam: I’m going to get to those responses, some of our ideas, you know, ways to combat those.
[0:01:56 – 0:02:00] Adam: We’ve got a story about a really big pest as well.
[0:02:00 – 0:02:02] Erik: Yeah, looking forward to that.
[0:02:02 – 0:02:06] Adam: Also some other strange news and happenings from up here.
[0:02:07 – 0:02:08] Erik: A story about a man on the run.
[0:02:08 – 0:02:10] Adam: Somebody on the run coming up here.
[0:02:11 – 0:02:18] Adam: But before we get to any of that, our other sponsor is Moosehead Lager.
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[0:02:31 – 0:02:35] Adam: Yeah, I haven’t had a Moosehead in a while.
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[0:02:44 – 0:02:45] Adam: You can annex us.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:56] Adam: If Moosehead wants to sponsor the Tumble Home podcast, they can just annex the whole podcast into Canada and give us lifetime memberships to Quetico and Woodlands Caribou.
[0:02:56 – 0:02:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:57 – 0:02:58] Erik: The South Canada.
[0:02:58 – 0:02:59] Adam: We’ll just start focusing up there.
[0:02:59 – 0:03:01] Adam: So let’s get it together, Moosehead.
[0:03:01 – 0:03:01] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:02 – 0:03:05] Adam: We’re still friends with our neighbors to the north.
[0:03:05 – 0:03:05] Erik: We are.
[0:03:05 – 0:03:07] Erik: There’s no wall necessary.
[0:03:07 – 0:03:07] Erik: Nope.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:08] Erik: Please.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:09] Erik: No walls.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:13] Erik: So yeah, that is the sponsored beer.
[0:03:14 – 0:03:25] Erik: This week’s surprise will be a nice little segue from the surprise into talking about the trip last week.
[0:03:25 – 0:03:27] Erik: And it is the remainder.
[0:03:28 – 0:03:29] Erik: I don’t know if this is a surprise.
[0:03:29 – 0:03:31] Erik: Really, you might be disappointed.
[0:03:32 – 0:03:34] Erik: Is it that Magnum?
[0:03:34 – 0:03:34] Adam: No.
[0:03:35 – 0:03:35] Adam: No, yes.
[0:03:35 – 0:03:36] Adam: You didn’t finish that.
[0:03:36 – 0:03:38] Erik: I corked that a month ago.
[0:03:38 – 0:03:38] Erik: It’s warm.
[0:03:38 – 0:03:38] Erik: Saved it.
[0:03:39 – 0:03:40] Erik: It’s as warm as the sun.
[0:03:41 – 0:03:43] Erik: No, it is the… Age to perfection.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:47] Erik: The last little bit of Sailor Jerry that I didn’t finish on my trip.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:49] Adam: Ooh, how did you not finish that?
[0:03:49 – 0:03:50] Adam: That’s a four-night trip.
[0:03:51 – 0:03:53] Erik: Well, I also had some Laphroaig.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:54] Erik: Oh, okay.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:56] Adam: And it’s still an analogy.
[0:03:56 – 0:03:57] Erik: That’s nice.
[0:03:57 – 0:03:59] Erik: It’s still in the camp container.
[0:03:59 – 0:04:04] Adam: So you got all that good camp aroma and vibes with it, too.
[0:04:05 – 0:04:05] Adam: All the miles.
[0:04:06 – 0:04:10] Erik: As I open this, you might get a wafting of cedar smoke, even.
[0:04:10 – 0:04:11] Erik: I bet I will.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:11] Erik: But…
[0:04:12 – 0:04:15] Erik: I’m going to take a little sip, and you can have a little sip if you want.
[0:04:15 – 0:04:15] Erik: Yeah, okay.
[0:04:15 – 0:04:16] Adam: Yeah, I’m in.
[0:04:16 – 0:04:17] Erik: Yeah, it’s good camp.
[0:04:17 – 0:04:18] Adam: I’m excited to hear about this trip.
[0:04:18 – 0:04:24] Adam: So, I mean, I’ve seen you a couple times since you got back, and I’ve been kind of resisting trying to get all the full details.
[0:04:24 – 0:04:33] Adam: I’ve got a few vague details on this trip that you just embarked on out of Bower Trout, and it’s been a while since I’ve been down there.
[0:04:33 – 0:04:37] Adam: So I’m excited to hear what you thought of Swan.
[0:04:38 – 0:04:40] Adam: I’ve never yet been to Vernon.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:41] Adam: I know you were through Vernon.
[0:04:42 – 0:04:47] Adam: And then I wasn’t sure where we were heading from there, but it sounds like you hit on some of our favorites.
[0:04:47 – 0:04:48] Erik: It was up in the air.
[0:04:48 – 0:04:51] Erik: Here’s the Sailor Jerry for you.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:53] Erik: That’s a spicy man right there.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Natalie: So, yeah, it was…
[0:04:56 – 0:04:56] Adam: Yes.
[0:04:58 – 0:04:58] Adam: Very nice.
[0:04:59 – 0:05:00] Erik: It was nice to have out there on trail.
[0:05:01 – 0:05:01] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:02 – 0:05:08] Erik: Kept the bellies warm around the campfire, although we didn’t have too much of an issue with temperatures.
[0:05:08 – 0:05:09] Adam: No, you had pretty good weather, no?
[0:05:10 – 0:05:11] Adam: It was pretty good.
[0:05:11 – 0:05:12] Adam: Yes.
[0:05:12 – 0:05:12] Adam: East wind.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:23] Erik: Yeah, which was funny because we started the trip and on the first day, Tuesday, it was dead calm after about five days of wind, rain.
[0:05:23 – 0:05:27] Erik: And I was like, yeah, this is probably going to be one of the best days of the trip.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:32] Erik: And then once we make the turn heading back from west to east, we should have no trouble.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:35] Erik: We rarely get east or southeast winds.
[0:05:36 – 0:05:40] Erik: And for basically the whole trip, it was all southeast winds.
[0:05:41 – 0:05:44] Adam: Not terrible, but still headwinds.
[0:05:44 – 0:05:46] Adam: That happens in June, I feel like.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:51] Adam: Every June there’s like a spell, a longer than usual spell of the old east wind.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:54] Adam: That old east wind, she gonna blow.
[0:05:54 – 0:06:00] Erik: And then we got back and then it blew out of the southeast for like another two days, like 20 miles an hour.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:01] Erik: I’m like, well, I’m glad we’re done.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:06] Erik: But yeah, for people that had not paddled before, they did really well.
[0:06:06 – 0:06:08] Erik: How’d they do?
[0:06:08 – 0:06:09] Erik: They did well.
[0:06:09 – 0:06:13] Adam: It was a father and son and then your heroic arms in the back seat.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:14] Adam: Yes.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:16] Adam: So it was a three person.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:20] Adam: You said the kid was in the middle and the father was up front for most of the trip or…
[0:06:20 – 0:06:50] Erik: for the most part yeah until you know he demoted the father like ah yeah the kid the kid’s ready we’re calling him up he’s ready he was was he ready i think he was i think he struggled in the middle seat like everybody does because it’s hard to paddle in that middle seat that middle seat is so wide yeah so you’ve really got to reach and so he would always like slide over to the edge and then it would throw the balance off and it was almost like easier to just not have him paddling you should have brought a kayak paddle for that middle seat i should have yeah
[0:06:50 – 0:06:53] Adam: It’s awkward on the portage, but extra boost.
[0:06:53 – 0:06:54] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:55 – 0:06:58] Erik: So, yeah, no, the paddling help was there.
[0:06:59 – 0:07:01] Erik: I’ve been on trips where it hasn’t been there.
[0:07:01 – 0:07:04] Erik: It’s been like two lily dippers.
[0:07:04 – 0:07:07] Adam: I haven’t been on – I’ve never guided anybody.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:10] Adam: I feel like I could, but I’ve never had the pleasure of guiding somebody.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:14] Adam: I’ve been on some trips with people I know where you’re like, come on already.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:15] Adam: You feel like you’re guiding.
[0:07:15 – 0:07:16] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:16 – 0:07:17] Adam: Put some muscle behind it.
[0:07:18 – 0:07:18] Erik: Yeah.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:21] Adam: So, yeah, it’s nice that they’re willing.
[0:07:21 – 0:07:28] Adam: I mean, you guys looked like you did some good miles on the overall trip, but nothing too, no really crazy days.
[0:07:28 – 0:07:29] Adam: Probably the first day was your toughest day.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:32] Adam: You went all the way to Vernon, you said?
[0:07:32 – 0:07:33] Erik: First day was the biggest day.
[0:07:33 – 0:07:34] Erik: Yeah, we drove down.
[0:07:34 – 0:07:34] Adam: You skipped Swan.
[0:07:35 – 0:07:37] Erik: Yeah, we got dropped off down at Bower Trout.
[0:07:38 – 0:07:39] Erik: Starts with a portage.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:40] Adam: How’s that boardwalk on that portage?
[0:07:41 – 0:07:41] Erik: It’s fine.
[0:07:41 – 0:07:42] Erik: Beautiful.
[0:07:43 – 0:07:47] Erik: And then you get over onto the west side of Bower Trout, and there’s actually a dock.
[0:07:48 – 0:07:49] Erik: Yeah, that’s right.
[0:07:49 – 0:07:53] Erik: That was kind of, I was like, well, don’t get used to this.
[0:07:53 – 0:07:54] Erik: It’s not all docks.
[0:07:55 – 0:07:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:07:56 – 0:08:01] Erik: But then even then, like, getting up to the dock, like, wasn’t, we couldn’t get all the way to it.
[0:08:01 – 0:08:04] Erik: Like, the tip was hitting just before the dock.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:06] Erik: I was like, oh, no, am I going to have to get out in wasty water?
[0:08:07 – 0:08:11] Adam: Plus, the dock hands at the Bower Trout to Marshall Portage are kind of rude.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:11] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:12] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:14] Adam: It’s like, I’d rather not even bother with them.
[0:08:14 – 0:08:16] Adam: They really are ourselves.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:16] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:17] Adam: I don’t know how they subside.
[0:08:17 – 0:08:19] Adam: Like, how do they make it out there?
[0:08:19 – 0:08:21] Adam: Just on tips from that one portage.
[0:08:21 – 0:08:21] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:21 – 0:08:27] Erik: They come over on those visas that, uh, anyway, BWCA ones.
[0:08:28 – 0:08:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:28 – 0:08:40] Erik: Uh, but then, you know, Bauer trout over to Marshall, Marshall, uh, dugout, you know, that was one area that I can definitely see giving people trouble later in the year, uh,
[0:08:41 – 0:08:45] Erik: We put way more scratches in the canoe than I was planning on it through that section.
[0:08:45 – 0:08:45] Adam: I told you about them, yeah.
[0:08:46 – 0:08:48] Adam: I remember then the next one, Skidway.
[0:08:49 – 0:08:50] Adam: Skidway, I’m sorry.
[0:08:50 – 0:08:54] Adam: Yeah, there’s a couple little mini lakes unnamed through that section.
[0:08:54 – 0:08:58] Adam: I remember it all being like three inches deep with, you know, hull wreckers.
[0:08:58 – 0:09:00] Adam: It’s a lot of hull wreckers in there.
[0:09:00 – 0:09:05] Adam: And, yeah, we had to be real careful and methodical in our approach through that section.
[0:09:07 – 0:09:12] Adam: If I remember, there wasn’t a ton of current, but we maybe hit it with a little low water or something.
[0:09:12 – 0:09:13] Erik: Was there any current for you?
[0:09:13 – 0:09:24] Erik: There’s one little section coming around the corner right when you get into dugout right there where we were paddling pretty ferociously just to get up this slight little…
[0:09:25 – 0:09:46] Adam: right because it’s all coming down it’s all coming down from swan really it’s all coming down from brule yeah the whole way and then all that all becomes the uh the south brule yeah it does which is cool feels it always feels cool to be involved in the the brule flowage there absolutely so yeah any later in the upper devil’s kettle
[0:09:47 – 0:09:50] Erik: Yeah, eventually this disappears into the center of the earth.
[0:09:50 – 0:09:52] Adam: Did you tell them about the devil’s kettle?
[0:09:52 – 0:09:58] Erik: I don’t think I got to the devil’s kettle in terms of describing oddities of the Northwoods to them.
[0:09:58 – 0:10:02] Adam: I mean, more and more I like to think about the water I’m in right now.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:03] Adam: Like, where is it going?
[0:10:04 – 0:10:25] Erik: i talked to him a little bit about you know the laurentian divide and water flowing north and you know it always i always get really into it when i talk to people about that and then like about halfway through i realize they’re they’re not nearly as interested in it as i am just rolling backwards slowly yeah they don’t care oh okay yeah i mean i don’t know yeah
[0:10:25 – 0:10:27] Erik: But I did talk to them about that.
[0:10:27 – 0:10:28] Erik: No devil’s kettle talk.
[0:10:28 – 0:10:33] Adam: You got to be up here like a decade before you really start fascinating over the up and down of the water.
[0:10:33 – 0:10:34] Adam: The flowages.
[0:10:34 – 0:10:35] Adam: And where it is all heading.
[0:10:35 – 0:10:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:10:37 – 0:10:40] Adam: How it seems to be going two separate directions, but often will then rejoin.
[0:10:41 – 0:10:42] Adam: Like that too.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:10:43 – 0:10:49] Erik: So yeah, we was touch and go through some of those dugout skidway things.
[0:10:49 – 0:10:57] Adam: That’s why I wanted to just stop on Swan then because you get through that tough section and then Swan is such a beautiful lake with three nice campsites.
[0:10:57 – 0:11:02] Adam: Did you stop for a snack at all on Swan at least or did you just kind of blow through it?
[0:11:02 – 0:11:11] Erik: We got to the Bower Trout Landing and there was a big van with a trailer behind it with like BWCA or bust spray painted on it.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:26] Erik: so I was like oh boy this is gonna be some yeah some big Boy Scout crew or something’s out there and so we got out to Swan like late morning and we had the 292 from Swan to Vernon ahead of us and if
[0:11:26 – 0:11:31] Erik: If it would have been like dead quiet or calm out on Swan, I may have been like, okay, let’s just call it.
[0:11:32 – 0:11:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:32 – 0:11:34] Erik: And hang for the rest of the day here.
[0:11:34 – 0:11:39] Erik: But almost immediately, because it was so dead calm, we could hear voices.
[0:11:39 – 0:11:39] Erik: Yes.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:45] Erik: And I think it was that group on the campsite on the north side of the peninsula.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:47] Erik: Because we actually never did see them.
[0:11:47 – 0:11:48] Erik: We only heard them.
[0:11:49 – 0:11:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:50 – 0:11:58] Erik: So I made it across Swan in dead calm conditions and then wound our way down the river, which is way longer than it appears on any map.
[0:11:58 – 0:12:00] Adam: Yeah, that’s off the map for me.
[0:12:00 – 0:12:02] Adam: I’ve never gone that far.
[0:12:02 – 0:12:06] Adam: I’ve made it to Swan, but then we turned it on back after catching some fish there.
[0:12:06 – 0:12:11] Adam: So that is that Vernon to Brule section is untouched for me yet.
[0:12:12 – 0:12:13] Adam: When will I ever get that?
[0:12:13 – 0:12:13] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:15] Erik: I’d do it again.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:17] Erik: I mean, I’ll get to the Vernon.
[0:12:17 – 0:12:21] Adam: I would go from Brule back to Swan, I think, rather than from Bower Trout to Swan.
[0:12:22 – 0:12:22] Adam: Sure.
[0:12:22 – 0:12:23] Adam: I love Swan.
[0:12:24 – 0:12:25] Adam: It’s a very underrated lake.
[0:12:25 – 0:12:26] Adam: Oh, totally.
[0:12:26 – 0:12:27] Erik: I could see my…
[0:12:27 – 0:12:29] Erik: If it would have been dead quiet out there, I think I may have stopped.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:30] Erik: Sure.
[0:12:30 – 0:12:32] Adam: But you got some noisy neighbors.
[0:12:33 – 0:12:33] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:33 – 0:12:34] Adam: Just neighbors in general.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:34] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:36] Adam: Why even put up with it?
[0:12:36 – 0:12:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:37 – 0:12:38] Erik: It was early in the day.
[0:12:38 – 0:12:39] Erik: I’m like, let’s just go for that…
[0:12:40 – 0:12:41] Erik: I’ve heard good things.
[0:12:42 – 0:12:45] Erik: I’ve seen the site on the north side of Vernon, and it looked good when I passed it.
[0:12:45 – 0:12:46] Erik: I’ve heard good things.
[0:12:46 – 0:12:49] Erik: Let’s just power through this 300-rod portage.
[0:12:50 – 0:12:55] Erik: And it has been a long time since I’ve done a 300-rod portage, and I was dying.
[0:12:55 – 0:13:00] Adam: Yeah, it’s that first long one of the year is always pretty difficult.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:03] Adam: Yeah, I know the feeling.
[0:13:03 – 0:13:04] Adam: Shoulders especially.
[0:13:05 – 0:13:06] Erik: It was like not the legs.
[0:13:06 – 0:13:08] Erik: It was just like my shoulders were killing me.
[0:13:09 – 0:13:10] Adam: Were you doing a pack and the canoe at the same time?
[0:13:10 – 0:13:13] Erik: I had the food pack and a canoe.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:14] Erik: I’ve never had a bear barrel.
[0:13:15 – 0:13:19] Erik: Took out the big blue bear barrel for the first time just to kind of see how it works out there.
[0:13:19 – 0:13:21] Adam: This time of year, the bears are just waking up.
[0:13:21 – 0:13:22] Adam: They could give you some trouble.
[0:13:23 – 0:13:26] Adam: I think if you’re going to really be worried about bears, it’s this time of year for me.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:28] Erik: Man, it was nice because it’s nice and compact.
[0:13:29 – 0:13:30] Erik: So it helps with the canoe.
[0:13:30 – 0:13:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:36] Erik: Because I feel like when you have the canoe having a nice, dense, concentrated pack.
[0:13:37 – 0:13:40] Adam: Not like a big bulky pack that’s messing with your flow.
[0:13:40 – 0:13:44] Erik: I don’t care if it’s heavy as long as it’s nice and compact and dense.
[0:13:45 – 0:13:46] Erik: And so that’s what it was.
[0:13:47 – 0:13:49] Erik: And we were able to single portage.
[0:13:49 – 0:13:53] Erik: It was actually the first people I’ve ever guided that I was able to single portage with.
[0:13:53 – 0:13:53] Erik: Props.
[0:13:54 – 0:13:55] Erik: Down to three packs.
[0:13:55 – 0:13:55] Adam: Father and son.
[0:13:56 – 0:13:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:57 – 0:14:20] Erik: we made it through but they were i mean i got the canoe in the pack to the other end and i ran back and met him about a quarter of the way back on the portage and yeah they were i think at that point really questioning whether or not they had made the right decision in signing up for a uh a guided boundary water trip uh yeah they kind of had that deer in the headlights you know like that’s a
[0:14:23 – 0:14:25] Erik: It was one of those things where, you know, it’s like…
[0:14:25 – 0:14:33] Adam: I know you didn’t have a cooler full of ice in 40s with you, but that’s still a tough day going beyond Swan, even with an early start and a moderate pace.
[0:14:33 – 0:14:56] Erik: yep and i told him i was like yeah i mean that’s that’s just how portages go and they as soon as you’re done with them it feels great and you’ve gotten yourself out to a lake where nobody else has camped where nobody else was on vernon got out that’s good got the site on the right next to the portage up to brule where that little there’s some rapids that come down
[0:14:56 – 0:15:00] Adam: Yeah, so it’s marked as rapids on the Nat Geo.
[0:15:00 – 0:15:05] Erik: Yeah, there’s a proper falls up on the Brule side, but when it gets down to the Vernon side, it’s way more.
[0:15:05 – 0:15:07] Adam: So much water is dumping in there.
[0:15:07 – 0:15:11] Adam: Can you give me a feel for how big of a water this is?
[0:15:11 – 0:15:19] Erik: It’s probably like comparable to like half of the Cliff Creek.
[0:15:21 – 0:15:21] Adam: Oh, okay.
[0:15:21 – 0:15:21] Adam: So not much.
[0:15:21 – 0:15:22] Adam: Just on the shore.
[0:15:22 – 0:15:23] Erik: Not much.
[0:15:23 – 0:15:25] Erik: But the falls, like it’s crazy.
[0:15:25 – 0:15:28] Erik: If you’re on the Brule side, there is a little trail.
[0:15:28 – 0:15:31] Erik: It’s pretty game traily, but you can follow it.
[0:15:31 – 0:15:33] Erik: You can clearly tell people have taken it.
[0:15:33 – 0:15:38] Erik: On the Brule side of that portage between Brule and Vernon, you walk it down in there, you can kind of get in.
[0:15:38 – 0:15:48] Erik: There’s a couple of spots where it is like a proper almost waterfall, but it’s still probably I would describe it as a rapids.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:52] Erik: But it just almost seems like it comes out of the side of the hill.
[0:15:52 – 0:15:53] Erik: It’s just hard to describe.
[0:15:53 – 0:15:59] Erik: It’s not necessarily anything that I would say looks like fun to swim in, but it is cool to look at.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:24] Erik: okay um and yeah the water that actually flows out into vernon is pretty pretty quiet and there’s one little spot where somebody has like piled up rocks and pooled up the rapids so like in the hot summer i could imagine it might be nice to sit in there it’s like a rocky like a rock beaver dam that somebody’s made kind of do you know have you ever heard of an onsen
[0:16:25 – 0:16:25] Erik: Is it like a weir?
[0:16:26 – 0:16:27] Erik: I’ve never heard of a weir.
[0:16:27 – 0:16:28] Erik: What’s a weir?
[0:16:28 – 0:16:31] Adam: It’s like when you pile up a bunch of rocks to trap fish in it.
[0:16:32 – 0:16:34] Erik: Uh, I mean, yeah, it’s, it’s like a big one of those.
[0:16:34 – 0:16:36] Erik: It’s like a Japanese onsen, except it’s not hot.
[0:16:37 – 0:16:40] Adam: It’s like basically just a Northwoods onsen.
[0:16:40 – 0:16:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:40 – 0:16:50] Erik: It looks like a, it looks like a hot tub, a handmade hot tub, but it’s just, it’s calming down the water that’s coming down the river so you can sit.
[0:16:51 – 0:16:52] Erik: And we were there.
[0:16:52 – 0:16:53] Erik: So did you go in?
[0:16:53 – 0:16:55] Erik: No, no, it was way too cold.
[0:16:56 – 0:17:18] Erik: just generally it it wasn’t really that warm i did it was a day like today i’d be in that on something like that i did swim but not that first night so we got camp set up and vernon was the one lake that i was the most worried about in terms of fishing because the numbers didn’t look good and i didn’t have any i had no reports i didn’t know what to do yeah so we just went out and started trolling some x-raps and
[0:17:19 – 0:17:21] Adam: It’s the best way to find out what’s going on out there.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:21] Erik: Yep.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:34] Erik: We’re on the south side of that big island, and first fish on, I’m like, oh, surely it’s just going to be your run-of-the-mill pin dick pike, 20-incher, whatever.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:37] Erik: I go for the net and getting it up to the boat, getting it up to the boat.
[0:17:37 – 0:17:38] Erik: Who has it?
[0:17:38 – 0:17:38] Erik: Who has it?
[0:17:38 – 0:17:39] Erik: Father or son?
[0:17:39 – 0:17:59] Erik: the kid in the middle awesome he’s on he’s on a fish and he’s reeling it in he’s doing really good and gets up to the boat and it’s a walleye all right oh my god it’s like a four four o’clock in the afternoon nice walleye yes and i net it i get in the boat and i’m like oh shoot i didn’t bring the stringer shoot
[0:17:59 – 0:18:20] Erik: shoot that’s what i said yeah and so i’m like okay well this is a perfect eater yeah and we’re keeping this so i you know good night sweet prince with the leatherman and then i just kept every time i would take a paddle stroke i would like bring the paddle over it and like drip it with water it was on the cool bottom of a canoe in the shade
[0:18:21 – 0:18:31] Erik: And then like five minutes later, we’re coming around the east side of this island and the kid’s got his line in the water again and like just wham.
[0:18:32 – 0:18:56] Erik: rod tip goes slamming down and he’s reeling in reeling in and wow it’s a huge northern i pulled the net out net this thing it’s like a 33 inch northern yes and get it into the boat and the he comes flying off the lure and the lure is just like twisted in the net and then that’s what nets are for it’s really to get the hook out and embed it as much as possible in the net
[0:18:56 – 0:18:58] Adam: Free the fish up for photos.
[0:18:58 – 0:19:02] Erik: You can spend the next 10 minutes unhooking the lure from the net.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:07] Erik: And so I’m like, he does not want to touch the fish, but the dad wants a picture.
[0:19:07 – 0:19:08] Erik: How old is this kid?
[0:19:08 – 0:19:08] Erik: Like 15.
[0:19:10 – 0:19:12] Erik: He isn’t, well, yeah, I mean, that’s an intimidating fish.
[0:19:12 – 0:19:13] Erik: And it was thrashing.
[0:19:14 – 0:19:15] Adam: It was thrashing.
[0:19:15 – 0:19:17] Adam: Oh, yeah, they get going on the bottom of the boat like that.
[0:19:17 – 0:19:19] Adam: Oh, yeah, that’s scary.
[0:19:19 – 0:19:19] Erik: I know.
[0:19:19 – 0:19:20] Erik: I was scared, too, a little bit.
[0:19:20 – 0:19:26] Adam: Yeah, no, I would be a little like, make sure you grab firmly with purpose.
[0:19:27 – 0:19:28] Erik: And there was a walleye in the bottom of the boat, too.
[0:19:28 – 0:19:29] Erik: Right, already.
[0:19:29 – 0:19:32] Erik: So I’m like, okay, there’s a pike.
[0:19:32 – 0:19:33] Adam: You guys are eating fish this whole trip.
[0:19:34 – 0:19:35] Adam: Throw the camp chow in the lake.
[0:19:36 – 0:19:39] Erik: No, I was like, I’m not cleaning a 33-inch northern.
[0:19:39 – 0:19:41] Adam: You could have got some nice fillets.
[0:19:41 – 0:19:44] Adam: That backstrap alone would have been a dinner for the night.
[0:19:44 – 0:19:44] Adam: I could have, yes.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:46] Adam: Wow, so you’re fish rich.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:47] Erik: Well, at this point, yeah.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:48] Erik: You’re looking pretty good.
[0:19:49 – 0:19:51] Erik: I was holding this fish up, ready to get a picture.
[0:19:52 – 0:19:54] Erik: And the thing just took like one more like thrash.
[0:19:54 – 0:19:55] Erik: How’d they do that?
[0:19:55 – 0:19:58] Erik: And then like flew out of my hand into the bottom of the boat.
[0:19:58 – 0:20:02] Erik: And then at that point I was like, as soon as I get my hands on this thing, I’m throwing.
[0:20:02 – 0:20:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:20:03 – 0:20:04] Adam: Who was trying to get the picture?
[0:20:04 – 0:20:05] Erik: Dad.
[0:20:05 – 0:20:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:05 – 0:20:06] Adam: In front of the boat.
[0:20:06 – 0:20:08] Adam: Did he have a camera or was he like using your camera?
[0:20:08 – 0:20:10] Erik: He had a phone and he didn’t.
[0:20:10 – 0:20:12] Erik: I was holding it for a couple of seconds.
[0:20:13 – 0:20:14] Erik: I thought he had taken a picture.
[0:20:14 – 0:20:18] Erik: And then when it thrashed again and I lost it, I just grabbed it and threw in the lake.
[0:20:18 – 0:20:20] Erik: And it was like, oh, I didn’t get a picture of it.
[0:20:20 – 0:20:20] Adam: Oh.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:21] Erik: And yeah.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:21] Erik: So.
[0:20:22 – 0:20:47] Adam: no picture of the memories yeah i can picture it i can visualize this just from the way you told it and the passion in your voice it was pretty nuts right off the bat to be running into fish like that that’s too bad one of my best fish pictures i ever had is you took it and i was holding somebody else’s lake trout because i they don’t want you know just the way it works out sometimes fishing in a canoe it’s like here you get it okay i got it i’m taking it off and then
[0:20:48 – 0:20:55] Adam: I was going to try and pass it forward to him, and it did the same thing, like the one last spasm, and then I dropped it.
[0:20:56 – 0:20:58] Adam: And, yeah, we weren’t planning on keeping that one anyways.
[0:20:58 – 0:21:01] Adam: But, yeah, no picture for the guy who caught it.
[0:21:02 – 0:21:02] Adam: Too bad.
[0:21:02 – 0:21:03] Erik: There is a picture of it, though.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:05] Adam: Yeah, I got a nice picture.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:08] Adam: It’s like one of the best pictures of me and a fish ever taken.
[0:21:09 – 0:21:11] Erik: I think it’s in the Clearwater brochure.
[0:21:12 – 0:21:16] Adam: Go check it out on clearwater.com backslash brochure.
[0:21:17 – 0:21:18] Erik: Backslash south arm of knife.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:24] Erik: Yeah, so we brought the walleye back, flayed it up, fried it up.
[0:21:24 – 0:21:27] Erik: I mean, it was like one of the freshest fish I’ve had in a long time.
[0:21:27 – 0:21:28] Erik: Delicious.
[0:21:29 – 0:21:33] Erik: Had the handmade Cubans for dinner that night.
[0:21:33 – 0:21:36] Erik: Yeah, the walleye is just an appetizer for the Cubans.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:37] Erik: Yep, and the Cubans.
[0:21:37 – 0:21:38] Erik: You guys earned them.
[0:21:40 – 0:21:43] Adam: You were in that fine dinner, going all the way to Vernon in one strike.
[0:21:43 – 0:21:45] Adam: That’s pretty hardcore.
[0:21:45 – 0:21:46] Erik: Yeah, for sure.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:47] Erik: It was funny.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:55] Erik: The dynamic of the father and son, he was like, he doesn’t eat really anything.
[0:21:55 – 0:21:59] Erik: He’s very minimalistic when it comes to eating.
[0:21:59 – 0:22:05] Erik: And a lot of the things that he was eating on the trip were things that he was surprised to see his son eating.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:06] Erik: And it was just because, I think…
[0:22:07 – 0:22:10] Erik: It was really the only thing that was available to him, first of all.
[0:22:10 – 0:22:14] Erik: But it was also after, you know, you portaged like over 500 rods that day.
[0:22:14 – 0:22:16] Adam: Yeah, you can eat whatever you want.
[0:22:16 – 0:22:19] Erik: Yeah, so chow down on that Cuban.
[0:22:21 – 0:22:21] Erik: Nice.
[0:22:21 – 0:22:27] Erik: But the campsite on the north side of Vernon, you know, I think it gets some high grades.
[0:22:27 – 0:22:28] Adam: I’ve heard a lot about it.
[0:22:28 – 0:22:30] Adam: It’s one of those campsites you hear a lot about.
[0:22:31 – 0:22:32] Erik: Yeah, and I think it’s overrated.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:35] Erik: It’s really shallow leading up to it.
[0:22:35 – 0:22:36] Adam: Whoa.
[0:22:36 – 0:22:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:37 – 0:22:38] Adam: You heard it here first.
[0:22:38 – 0:22:39] Erik: You heard it here first, people.
[0:22:39 – 0:22:45] Erik: The Vernon site, it’s way better than the other one on the west side, but… Did you get down by that one?
[0:22:45 – 0:22:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:46 – 0:22:50] Erik: That’s where we started trolling from there, and that’s a real small junker.
[0:22:50 – 0:22:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:51 – 0:22:51] Erik: But…
[0:22:52 – 0:23:04] Erik: The one on the north side next to the creek, it’s nice to be able to hear the little running river in the creek in the night, but it created some more bug situations.
[0:23:04 – 0:23:12] Erik: The site itself is kind of open, but like it tapers down into like a small landing down towards the water.
[0:23:13 – 0:23:17] Erik: And the fishing opportunities off of the campsite are pretty much non-existent.
[0:23:17 – 0:23:20] Erik: It’s about four feet deep out from that campsite for about 75 yards.
[0:23:21 – 0:23:27] Adam: Well, this time of year would be the one time of year where you can maybe get some walleyes coming in that shallow at night.
[0:23:27 – 0:23:29] Adam: So were you guys blasting slip bobbers off that thing?
[0:23:29 – 0:23:32] Erik: We had slip bobbers going pretty much all night, and we did have one.
[0:23:32 – 0:23:33] Erik: Did you have the little light?
[0:23:34 – 0:23:35] Erik: We didn’t have lighted slip bobbers.
[0:23:35 – 0:23:35] Erik: Those are cool.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:38 – 0:23:41] Adam: Hard to stay up where it’s dark enough this time of year to actually need the light.
[0:23:41 – 0:23:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:46] Erik: I think I stayed up one night that it was dark enough to actually see more than one star.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:47] Adam: You are a hero and a scholar.
[0:23:48 – 0:23:49] Adam: Stay up that late.
[0:23:49 – 0:23:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:49 – 0:23:51] Adam: I have not seen darkness in a long time.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:52] Erik: Yeah.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:55] Erik: So, yeah, the Vernon night, good night.
[0:23:55 – 0:23:57] Erik: Got up to Brule the next day.
[0:23:57 – 0:23:59] Erik: Steep portage from Vernon up to Brule.
[0:23:59 – 0:24:00] Erik: Yeah, so let’s say 23, 33, 23.
[0:24:00 – 0:24:01] Adam: I think he said it was like a 100-foot climb.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:10] Adam: And, yeah, 49 on the Fisher.
[0:24:10 – 0:24:11] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:11 – 0:24:13] Adam: But steep as a staircase.
[0:24:13 – 0:24:15] Erik: Basically, straight up.
[0:24:16 – 0:24:17] Erik: That’s cool.
[0:24:17 – 0:24:17] Adam: I like that.
[0:24:17 – 0:24:21] Erik: It was nice to just have that one portage because we kind of got out of the brule.
[0:24:21 – 0:24:23] Erik: The wind started picking up just a little bit.
[0:24:23 – 0:24:23] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:24 – 0:24:26] Erik: I really wanted to kind of focus on fishing.
[0:24:26 – 0:24:36] Erik: And so we settled into a campsite on the island just directly north of the public access where there’s only one campsite on the island.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:37 – 0:24:37] Erik: This one?
[0:24:37 – 0:24:37] Erik: Yep.
[0:24:38 – 0:24:41] Erik: And it’s kind of on the east tip of a little point.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:49] Erik: And, you know, at first glance, it’s a five-star site.
[0:24:50 – 0:24:52] Erik: Beautifully situated.
[0:24:53 – 0:24:54] Erik: Nice big white pines.
[0:24:55 – 0:25:15] Erik: wide open a nice little gradual sloping rock and what seemed like great fishing potential but um the underlying overuse of the campsite was kind of disappointing more trees cut down at ankle height that i’ve ever seen you’re within uh
[0:25:15 – 0:25:19] Adam: You’re within a mile and a quarter of the public access there, I guess.
[0:25:19 – 0:25:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:20 – 0:25:20] Adam: And I figured…
[0:25:20 – 0:25:28] Adam: I’ve seen people out there with, like, those canoes with the little pontoon set up on them and just coolers stacked up and bungee down.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:31] Adam: Like, yeah, you’re really close to…
[0:25:32 – 0:25:37] Adam: You’re really close to a car access right there, so not surprising, but a good-looking island, though.
[0:25:37 – 0:25:39] Adam: Was there anybody in Brule Bay when you came out?
[0:25:39 – 0:25:42] Adam: There’s four sites above Vernon in Brule Bay.
[0:25:42 – 0:25:45] Erik: I didn’t see anybody in Brule Bay, but there was a kayaker on Brule Island.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:46] Erik: Oh, okay.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:47] Erik: And it looked like a nice spot.
[0:25:48 – 0:25:49] Adam: It’s a named island.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:50] Adam: It’s got to be good.
[0:25:50 – 0:25:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:52 – 0:26:04] Erik: But as soon as we got there, it picked up the wind out of the west, and we had whitecaps rolling through for pretty much the entire day, gusting through camp until well after dinner.
[0:26:04 – 0:26:06] Erik: I was actually hesitant to start a fire.
[0:26:06 – 0:26:07] Erik: It was so windy.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:07] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:26:08 – 0:26:15] Erik: But we had the slip bobber set up off of basically what was like a nice steep drop off between the campsite we were on and the island across the way.
[0:26:16 – 0:26:16] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:26:17 – 0:26:18] Adam: And… A little saddle there.
[0:26:18 – 0:26:20] Erik: We didn’t catch anything.
[0:26:20 – 0:26:21] Adam: Should have been lousy with fish.
[0:26:21 – 0:26:21] Erik: I know.
[0:26:22 – 0:26:23] Erik: It was just dead.
[0:26:23 – 0:26:26] Adam: I remember… Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:26:26 – 0:26:30] Adam: The one time we camped on Brule across from Jockmock Point…
[0:26:31 – 0:26:33] Adam: Same kind of situation.
[0:26:33 – 0:26:36] Adam: We had a lot of wind, but it looked great right there.
[0:26:36 – 0:26:42] Adam: I think we did catch a couple bass that trip, but nothing doing as far as the old walleye.
[0:26:44 – 0:26:46] Adam: But that’s a pretty good setup, though.
[0:26:46 – 0:26:53] Adam: So you had a hard first day and then what appears to be a pretty easy second day, and you’ve got a little wind going on there.
[0:26:53 – 0:26:59] Adam: But you’re looking like you’re set up pretty perfect for an assault onto the north up to a little big winchie.
[0:27:00 – 0:27:10] Erik: Yeah, and the one thing that I’ll also end on with that island is there is literally no firewood that you can find even if you hike out the back of the campsite.
[0:27:10 – 0:27:12] Adam: The whole island has been picked clean.
[0:27:12 – 0:27:19] Erik: There’s a hiking trail like basically with cairns on the side of it going all the way up to the top of the highest point of the island.
[0:27:20 – 0:27:21] Erik: And there’s no firewood.
[0:27:22 – 0:27:22] Erik: Nothing.
[0:27:22 – 0:27:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:27:23 – 0:27:30] Erik: So we had to hop in the canoe and paddle around the corner and ended up finding some driftwood and then a couple of pieces that I was able to walk into the woods for.
[0:27:31 – 0:27:32] Erik: But it’s a nice site.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:46] Erik: It’s horrendously overused and pretty well destroyed in terms of the amounts of trees slash saplings that have been taken down about a foot off the ground.
[0:27:47 – 0:27:48] Erik: Yeah, it’s kind of frustrating.
[0:27:49 – 0:27:51] Adam: Well, if anybody can find firewood on a…
[0:27:52 – 0:27:53] Adam: On a trip, it’s you.
[0:27:54 – 0:27:59] Adam: I’d be confident we could go to Five Mile Rock again and somehow find dead cedar that’s perfect and ready.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:02] Erik: Press together some seagull turds.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:03] Adam: You can make it happen.
[0:28:04 – 0:28:10] Erik: So we were raring to go the next morning because that wind was blowing basically an hour after sunset.
[0:28:12 – 0:28:16] Erik: And I woke up the next morning about an hour before sunrise, and I kind of heard a couple of gusts.
[0:28:16 – 0:28:20] Erik: And it was just like, oh, gosh, I really don’t want to stay here on the day.
[0:28:20 – 0:28:22] Erik: The days are long right now.
[0:28:22 – 0:28:23] Erik: Right.
[0:28:23 – 0:28:24] Adam: You’ve got to make some move.
[0:28:24 – 0:28:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:25 – 0:28:28] Erik: And so I heard that, and I was like, shoot, are we going to get windbound here again?
[0:28:29 – 0:28:33] Erik: But then it kind of died down, and we were able to get up after some bacon sandwiches and make our way.
[0:28:33 – 0:28:34] Adam: Bacon for breakfast.
[0:28:35 – 0:28:35] Adam: Bacon for breakfast.
[0:28:35 – 0:28:37] Adam: Wait, what did you have for dinner the last night?
[0:28:37 – 0:28:38] Adam: No fish then.
[0:28:38 – 0:28:38] Adam: No fish.
[0:28:39 – 0:28:41] Erik: Yeah, the no fish, we had fajitas.
[0:28:42 – 0:28:45] Adam: We should just rename that Fajita Island.
[0:28:45 – 0:28:46] Erik: Fajita Islands.
[0:28:46 – 0:28:50] Adam: Yeah, let’s make it unofficial, listeners, that big island north of the landing.
[0:28:51 – 0:28:53] Adam: It kind of looks like a big fajita pan.
[0:28:54 – 0:29:13] Erik: guacamole point guacamole point on fajita island so i was like itching to get out of there i’m like i want to be done with brule i watched this i watched this big bastard blow all day yesterday i want to be out of here so we were out at like i think we were on the water at like 6 45 it’s crazy after bacon sandwiches
[0:29:14 – 0:29:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:15] Adam: Wow.
[0:29:15 – 0:29:18] Erik: Got across the North Bay there.
[0:29:18 – 0:29:25] Adam: Yeah, you got a little bit of open water to cross, but then you’re kind of in protected coves from there on up to Lilley.
[0:29:26 – 0:29:29] Erik: Yep, lily, portage into lily, and then portage into mulligan.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:38] Erik: And then I gave him the old bamboozler where I was like, yeah, I think this is a 40-rod portage, but there’s potential that it might be longer.
[0:29:38 – 0:29:40] Erik: I knew grassy did not exist.
[0:29:40 – 0:29:42] Erik: I knew it was going to be like a 300-rod portage.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:45] Adam: You obfuscated that.
[0:29:45 – 0:29:46] Adam: I did.
[0:29:48 – 0:29:50] Erik: Oh, well, better they don’t know.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:55] Erik: And so, yeah, if anybody’s listening and wondering, Grassy Lake does not exist.
[0:29:55 – 0:30:01] Erik: To get from Mulligan to Wanahegan, it’s about 300 rods straight.
[0:30:01 – 0:30:06] Erik: Unless you want to put your canoe in and aimlessly paddle around in about a half-acre puddle.
[0:30:06 – 0:30:10] Adam: So is there a pretty well-established detour portage around that now?
[0:30:11 – 0:30:15] Erik: Yeah, it’s almost basically a continuation of the portage.
[0:30:15 – 0:30:17] Erik: There’s not really even any question anymore.
[0:30:18 – 0:30:20] Adam: So we can just pencil that one in.
[0:30:20 – 0:30:23] Adam: Basically, unless we get like… Arrivederci, grassy.
[0:30:24 – 0:30:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:24 – 0:30:26] Erik: There is some water in there, but…
[0:30:26 – 0:30:26] Erik: Au revoir.
[0:30:27 – 0:30:29] Erik: It’s an aptly named lake.
[0:30:29 – 0:30:30] Erik: It’s pretty much grass.
[0:30:30 – 0:30:31] Adam: Because it’s just grass.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:32] Adam: It’s actually not a lake.
[0:30:33 – 0:30:33] Erik: It’s mostly grass.
[0:30:33 – 0:30:35] Adam: It’s a grassy lake out back here.
[0:30:35 – 0:30:37] Adam: We’re going to build the disc golf course out there someday.
[0:30:38 – 0:30:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:39 – 0:30:42] Adam: So got into Wanahegan, which is a really pretty lake.
[0:30:42 – 0:30:44] Adam: I’ve heard good things about Wanahegan, yeah.
[0:30:44 – 0:30:48] Erik: It’s right up in there next to Cliff, which you can see on the map just by looking at the topography.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:53] Erik: Got some nice big hills, some steep sides.
[0:30:53 – 0:30:56] Adam: Pretty much on the very western edge of the Misquah Hills here.
[0:30:56 – 0:31:07] Adam: One thing I noticed about this trip is you’re basically within striking distance of the five tallest points in Minnesota on this trip.
[0:31:08 – 0:31:10] Adam: You’re in that whole general vicinity.
[0:31:10 – 0:31:12] Adam: I’ve got them all circled here on the Nat Geo.
[0:31:12 – 0:31:12] Erik: Oh, yeah?
[0:31:13 – 0:31:16] Adam: And, you know, Eagle Mountain is just south of Brule and Vernon.
[0:31:18 – 0:31:21] Adam: And Brule Mountain was kind of just south of Bower Trout.
[0:31:21 – 0:31:29] Adam: And then the Misquah Hills, which are in between Swan and Vernon and then Winchell, you got a couple big ones in there too.
[0:31:29 – 0:31:33] Adam: And then Lima Mountain, you’d have to drive by it to get dropped off.
[0:31:33 – 0:31:33] Adam: But, I mean…
[0:31:34 – 0:31:43] Adam: Basically, all these, you got seven of the top ten highest points in Minnesota, like literally in between your trip.
[0:31:43 – 0:31:44] Erik: Yeah, that’s cool.
[0:31:44 – 0:31:47] Adam: You could have called this the high pointers loop or something.
[0:31:47 – 0:31:48] Adam: This is really special.
[0:31:48 – 0:31:55] Erik: Man, I like that there was that big 2246 hill just south of where we were camped on Winchell.
[0:31:56 – 0:31:58] Erik: Yeah, no, I guess it makes sense.
[0:31:59 – 0:32:01] Erik: I’ve never really put it all together.
[0:32:01 – 0:32:06] Adam: It’s a pretty dramatic area to take somebody through for their first trip in the Boundary Waters.
[0:32:06 – 0:32:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:07 – 0:32:12] Adam: I wonder how many times on this podcast I’m going to say I’m super jealous, but I’m super jealous of these people that this was their first trip.
[0:32:13 – 0:32:15] Adam: Pretty great for them, especially with the walleye on the first night.
[0:32:15 – 0:32:16] Adam: Yeah, first fish.
[0:32:16 – 0:32:17] Adam: And the big old pike, too.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:18] Adam: That’s pretty awesome.
[0:32:18 – 0:32:20] Erik: Yeah, so we, you know.
[0:32:20 – 0:32:25] Adam: So now you’re thinking maybe parlay that into some really big stuff on Winchell, doing a little trolling with the X-Raps.
[0:32:26 – 0:32:27] Erik: That was the thinking.
[0:32:27 – 0:32:37] Erik: I was like, okay, now, like, because, all right, there’s not much I can do about crazy winds out on Brule, whatever, tip-ups, or tip-ups, basically the same thing.
[0:32:37 – 0:32:38] Adam: Winter tip-ups.
[0:32:38 – 0:32:39] Adam: It’s a slip.
[0:32:40 – 0:32:44] Erik: Slip-ups on Brule, you know, all right, fine.
[0:32:44 – 0:32:45] Erik: It was really windy.
[0:32:46 – 0:32:47] Erik: Maybe that had something to do with it.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:49] Erik: It’s like, all right, it’s calming down.
[0:32:49 – 0:32:51] Erik: We’re going to troll the whole length of Winchell.
[0:32:52 – 0:32:52] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:52 – 0:32:53] Erik: And I know there’s big fish in there.
[0:32:54 – 0:32:54] Erik: Know it.
[0:32:55 – 0:33:08] Erik: And we trolled the whole length from the portage across from Wanahegan on the north side, basically campsite three, all the way down to campsite 10 on the north side.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:10] Adam: It’s a good stretch of water.
[0:33:10 – 0:33:14] Erik: Didn’t even have a tap.
[0:33:15 – 0:33:15] Erik: Lots of snags.
[0:33:16 – 0:33:17] Adam: Yeah, we’ll have that too.
[0:33:17 – 0:33:19] Adam: What was the wind doing then?
[0:33:19 – 0:33:22] Adam: It kind of calmed down or was it at this point that it switched on you?
[0:33:22 – 0:33:27] Erik: This is when it kind of was switching over to like east-southeast, but it was pretty much dead calm.
[0:33:27 – 0:33:31] Adam: Fish don’t like it when you get that east wind, so I was going to try and blame it on that.
[0:33:31 – 0:33:33] Adam: But if it’s still calm, they should have been going.
[0:33:33 – 0:33:35] Erik: Yeah, it was mostly calm.
[0:33:36 – 0:33:44] Erik: And yeah, again, we went by three out of the 12.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:50] Erik: We went by nine out of the 12 campsites that day, and every one of them was open.
[0:33:50 – 0:33:51] Erik: That’s spooky.
[0:33:51 – 0:33:52] Erik: That’s real spooky.
[0:33:52 – 0:33:56] Erik: I don’t know what it is about Winchell, but the last time we were out there, it was completely open.
[0:33:57 – 0:34:01] Adam: If we keep talking about it every other episode, you know, people will figure it out that they need to get down there.
[0:34:01 – 0:34:04] Erik: But yeah, maybe it’s just because there’s, I don’t know.
[0:34:05 – 0:34:07] Adam: It’s in the middle of kind of nowhere there by the Misquahills.
[0:34:08 – 0:34:08] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:08 – 0:34:09] Adam: It’s not an easy place to get to.
[0:34:10 – 0:34:12] Adam: And yeah, it’s big water, big fish.
[0:34:12 – 0:34:14] Adam: So it’s not like it’s going to be jackpot fishing.
[0:34:14 – 0:34:17] Adam: But I mean, if you do hit one, it probably will be a jackpot.
[0:34:17 – 0:34:20] Adam: But you also got a really good likelihood of getting skunked there.
[0:34:21 – 0:34:21] Adam: That’s true.
[0:34:21 – 0:34:22] Adam: It’s big water.
[0:34:22 – 0:34:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:23 – 0:34:29] Erik: But we ended up getting to Campsite 10, which the last time I was there did have a constructed bench.
[0:34:29 – 0:34:30] Erik: The bench.
[0:34:30 – 0:34:32] Erik: Why would you pass up a bench?
[0:34:33 – 0:34:34] Erik: The bench was gone.
[0:34:34 – 0:34:35] Erik: I might have to re-revise.
[0:34:35 – 0:34:36] Adam: Those fetishes.
[0:34:37 – 0:34:37] Adam: Unbelievable.
[0:34:37 – 0:34:37] Adam: I’m sure.
[0:34:38 – 0:34:39] Adam: Who took the bench down?
[0:34:39 – 0:34:39] Adam: I want to know.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:41] Adam: Call our hotline.
[0:34:41 – 0:34:42] Adam: We’ll get to that later.
[0:34:42 – 0:34:42] Erik: Yeah, right.
[0:34:43 – 0:34:44] Erik: Yeah, so no bench.
[0:34:44 – 0:34:48] Erik: But if the bench was there, it would have been obstructing my hammock setup.
[0:34:48 – 0:34:57] Erik: But anyway, we got sweet, sweet campsite 10, which I think might challenge campsite 3 in terms of the best one on the lake.
[0:34:57 – 0:34:58] Adam: 3, 8, and 10.
[0:34:58 – 0:34:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:59 – 0:35:00] Adam: Yeah, they’re all good.
[0:35:00 – 0:35:02] Adam: But yeah, the bench site, man.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:02] Adam: Oof.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:31] Erik: yeah and uh so as we were setting up kind of a little lull in the afternoon i paddled over to where there is a uh an old burn and picked up some of the best campfire wood i’ve ever found i saw a picture of this on your uh social media and some fine cedar beautiful beautiful smell it through the social media post i could smell the quality of that cedar scratch and sniff oh my god it smells good yeah it was like i was out there camping with you for a brief moment
[0:35:31 – 0:35:39] Erik: Almost maxing out the Svensa’s capabilities in terms of thickness, but I was like, I know this is going to split up and be beautiful, so I want to cut it.
[0:35:39 – 0:35:43] Erik: And even if I end up with way more than I need, I feel like…
[0:35:43 – 0:35:46] Adam: These guys help with the woodhogging and all, or are you woodhogging everything?
[0:35:46 – 0:35:47] Adam: Yeah, they were…
[0:35:47 – 0:35:48] Adam: Were you splitting or sawing?
[0:35:49 – 0:35:56] Erik: I was out in the woods typically gathering, but when I would bring back the chunks, they would help me buck it up into splittable pieces.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:57] Erik: All right.
[0:35:58 – 0:35:58] Erik: I like these guys.
[0:35:58 – 0:35:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:59 – 0:36:24] Erik: no there was nothing about it that i’ve had trips where it’s like okay i am not only the guide i am also the pack meal and i did not feel like that at all with these guys they were good they helped out sounds solid yeah no it was it was a good trip there was nothing about it that was that was overly frustrating outside of some uh some lure snagging situations but you know i have that i mean i i mean i snagged it was it’s tricky
[0:36:24 – 0:36:28] Erik: Yeah, I mean, it’s frustrating whether it happens to me or whether it happens to somebody else.
[0:36:28 – 0:36:29] Erik: It’s just frustrating.
[0:36:30 – 0:36:30] Erik: Right.
[0:36:30 – 0:36:31] Erik: You’re never going to know.
[0:36:31 – 0:36:35] Erik: All of a sudden, you go from 40 feet of water up to a two-foot shelf.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:37] Erik: Those reefs.
[0:36:37 – 0:36:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:38 – 0:36:39] Erik: It’s just one of those things.
[0:36:39 – 0:36:53] Erik: So, yeah, the best part about that campsite was the next morning, the guy that I was camping with, he woke me up and was trying to tell me that there was a moose in camp.
[0:36:55 – 0:37:02] Erik: I did not actually visualize, but I was awake then and got some coffee going or whatever.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:08] Erik: And then about 45 minutes later, he was up on the latrine and he started yelling.
[0:37:09 – 0:37:11] Erik: He’s like, Eric, Eric, grab the camera.
[0:37:11 – 0:37:15] Erik: I was like, all right, well, we’ve been out here for three days.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:17] Adam: I’m a big boy.
[0:37:17 – 0:37:18] Adam: I made a number two.
[0:37:19 – 0:37:19] Erik: Take a pic.
[0:37:19 – 0:37:20] Erik: He’s on the latrine.
[0:37:21 – 0:37:23] Erik: What does he want me to bring the camera for?
[0:37:23 – 0:37:26] Adam: Well, you know, I’ve seen some good warblers on the pooper before.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:37:27 – 0:37:32] Erik: No, but I got, so I grabbed the camera and I was like, okay, he saw a moose about 45 minutes ago.
[0:37:32 – 0:37:33] Erik: Maybe there’s another moose up there.
[0:37:33 – 0:37:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:37:34 – 0:37:44] Erik: And so I get up there and right as soon as I get up there, I can just see this silhouette of like an adolescent moose kind of crashing through the woods in the distance.
[0:37:44 – 0:37:50] Erik: And he was like, there was just a moose about 10 yards away from me while I was on the can.
[0:37:50 – 0:37:50] Erik: Yes.
[0:37:51 – 0:38:11] Erik: pants around the ankles yeah moose comes walking up about 10 yards away from you said he he was like the thing kind of like put his head up and started sniffing in his direction kind of tilted his head and then he started trying to throw him some bacon sandwiches
[0:38:12 – 0:38:13] Erik: We were all out of bacon at that point.
[0:38:13 – 0:38:14] Erik: Oh, my God.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:18] Erik: So, yeah, we had a crazy moose encounter.
[0:38:18 – 0:38:19] Adam: That’s awesome.
[0:38:19 – 0:38:19] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:20 – 0:38:22] Erik: And then I was like, well, we’re definitely getting into moose country.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:29] Erik: So we got up to Portage up in the Gaskin, which is an infamous moose swimming lake.
[0:38:29 – 0:38:54] Erik: yeah it’s the swimmingest of the moose lakes for sure yep trolled all the way through there didn’t catch anything but some slimy 20 inch pike and uh saw no moose and then nothing wrong with a 20 inch pike but you guys were spoiled on that first day there’s a lot of things wrong with a 20 inch pike especially when it causes you to lose your leatherman oh but anyway we uh moving on got up to horseshoe portage around horseshoe
[0:38:55 – 0:38:57] Adam: How many campsites were filled on horseshoe?
[0:38:57 – 0:38:58] Erik: Pretty much all of them.
[0:38:58 – 0:39:01] Adam: There’s people that live on horseshoe in the summer, I think.
[0:39:01 – 0:39:02] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:11] Erik: We’d gone through that whole trip where up to that point we had seen a solo kayak camped on Brule Island.
[0:39:11 – 0:39:11] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:11 – 0:39:15] Erik: And then a couple paddling a white canoe down Winchell.
[0:39:16 – 0:39:21] Erik: And then we got up to horseshoe and we got to the portage from horseshoe to caribou and
[0:39:21 – 0:39:27] Erik: And there were five canoes paddling towards us and two canoes portaging from Horseshoe to Caribou.
[0:39:28 – 0:39:32] Erik: I was like, okay, the parade of the bozies has begun.
[0:39:32 – 0:39:34] Erik: What’s the Curb Your Enthusiasm?
[0:39:40 – 0:40:02] Adam: theme that’s what i was that’s what i was seeing last time i was in horseshoe i saw like like three canoes all lashed together just barged up yeah floating down the middle of the lake yeah and then we saw like a floating dead moose in there i was like i’m never coming back to this lake again oh yeah i forgot about that that was gross yeah i’d heard a report of that and yeah there it is yeah oh
[0:40:04 – 0:40:05] Erik: The hair was all gone.
[0:40:05 – 0:40:07] Erik: It was just like burnt red skin.
[0:40:07 – 0:40:07] Erik: The bloat.
[0:40:08 – 0:40:09] Adam: Oh, the bloat.
[0:40:09 – 0:40:10] Adam: And horribly bloated.
[0:40:10 – 0:40:12] Adam: And then we saw a dead moose.
[0:40:12 – 0:40:14] Adam: No.
[0:40:14 – 0:40:17] Adam: The bloated three canoe brigade.
[0:40:18 – 0:40:29] Erik: So yeah, we managed to get by that parade of canoes and it kind of quieted down and we camped on Caribou and the campsite directly across from the portage from Horseshoe to Caribou, which is a nice spot.
[0:40:29 – 0:40:30] Adam: It’s a really nice spot there.
[0:40:30 – 0:40:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:31 – 0:40:40] Erik: And had some luck, finally ran into some more fish, slip bobbering, which had been my most successful methods.
[0:40:41 – 0:40:44] Adam: This time of year, you got to think that slip bobber is going to be dynamite.
[0:40:44 – 0:40:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:45 – 0:40:48] Erik: And we had nothing on Winchell, nothing on Brule.
[0:40:48 – 0:40:53] Erik: And just because of where we were on Vernon, it was so shallow, nothing on Vernon.
[0:40:53 – 0:40:56] Erik: But Caribou, we ran into a couple of nice fish.
[0:40:58 – 0:41:15] Erik: eatable edible filletable walleyes and then a couple of real like throw that pack like that needs to grow 12 inches you know and then uh one bass we finally ran into i’m like how have you not caught a bass yeah they’re just waking up yeah i think they are
[0:41:16 – 0:41:18] Adam: Yeah, I mean, the lupines are blooming.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:21] Adam: I’ve been seeing a lot of turtles on the road.
[0:41:21 – 0:41:24] Adam: So, yeah, the bass should be waking up now.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:28] Adam: Once the turtles are on the road, you know the bass are just around the corner.
[0:41:29 – 0:41:29] Erik: That’s nice.
[0:41:29 – 0:41:34] Erik: It’s like the aspen or the birch leaves as big as a mouse’s ear.
[0:41:34 – 0:41:35] Adam: I’m always collecting these things.
[0:41:36 – 0:41:41] Adam: I ran into an older guy out fishing on a local lake for walleye.
[0:41:41 – 0:41:46] Adam: I was waiting for Buddy Josh to show up with the boat, so I’m just sitting there on shore, and he comes over.
[0:41:46 – 0:41:48] Adam: He’s like, you get them here on shore?
[0:41:48 – 0:41:50] Adam: I’m like, yeah, I’ve gotten a few on shore here.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:52] Adam: And then I said that to him.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:55] Adam: I go, yeah, you know, I’ve seen a lot of turtles on the road.
[0:41:55 – 0:41:56] Adam: So, you know, it’s time.
[0:41:56 – 0:41:57] Adam: We’re turtle rich.
[0:41:57 – 0:41:59] Adam: It’s time to get after the walleye.
[0:41:59 – 0:42:00] Adam: He goes, huh?
[0:42:00 – 0:42:02] Adam: So you watch nature then?
[0:42:03 – 0:42:05] Adam: You could say that.
[0:42:05 – 0:42:06] Adam: You could say that, sir.
[0:42:07 – 0:42:09] Erik: Yeah, no, there are definitely turtles on the road.
[0:42:09 – 0:42:15] Erik: So finished up the next day with a paddle out to Trail Center.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:16] Erik: Called for a ride.
[0:42:16 – 0:42:16] Erik: Yes.
[0:42:17 – 0:42:18] Erik: And, yeah, the last portage.
[0:42:18 – 0:42:20] Adam: Called for a cold beer and a ride.
[0:42:20 – 0:42:21] Erik: Yes, we did.
[0:42:21 – 0:42:24] Erik: We enjoyed a couple of surleys.
[0:42:24 – 0:42:25] Adam: Breakfast beer.
[0:42:25 – 0:42:31] Erik: But the last portage, no, the second to the last portage from Caribou to Liz was
[0:42:32 – 0:42:35] Erik: we came paddling up and it was three canoes.
[0:42:35 – 0:42:48] Erik: One was barely touching shore, kind of drifting in the wind back and forth with like three or four huge like backpacking style backpacks with like jugs of water zip tied to them.
[0:42:48 – 0:42:51] Erik: And then like the big green Coleman stoves.
[0:42:51 – 0:42:55] Erik: And then when we get, we were portaging across, we ran into them.
[0:42:56 – 0:42:57] Erik: One guy was walking and,
[0:42:58 – 0:43:04] Erik: With three little, you know, the square containers of worms, cider foam worms.
[0:43:04 – 0:43:06] Erik: He was holding, that’s all he was holding.
[0:43:06 – 0:43:06] Erik: What?
[0:43:06 – 0:43:09] Erik: Three of those like in front of his chest.
[0:43:09 – 0:43:11] Erik: Yeah, just carrying three of them.
[0:43:11 – 0:43:11] Erik: No.
[0:43:12 – 0:43:14] Erik: Yeah, he was just carrying three containers of worms.
[0:43:14 – 0:43:21] Adam: I know I just laughed before you even like said what it was going to be because I just knew it was going to be something funny before you even said it.
[0:43:21 – 0:43:26] Erik: Yeah, I just, I pulled up and I was just like, oh boy, this is an absolute show here.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:28] Adam: Hey guys, you hang back.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:30] Adam: I’ll take the crawlers on this run.
[0:43:30 – 0:43:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:31 – 0:43:33] Erik: And then we got, so they were all went by us.
[0:43:33 – 0:43:38] Erik: And then when we got to the landing, there was just a hiking stick just floating in the water.
[0:43:38 – 0:43:41] Erik: I was like, that’s pretty classic there.
[0:43:41 – 0:44:08] Erik: nice that’s the problem when you carry that much crap and you’re just inevitably going to lose things and why are you bringing a hiking stick you’re lucky you didn’t find like an old pair of underwear or something just to lay in there with a group like that it was just it was a mess and i was happy to be done and i was and they were happy think of that were they like even aware of your guests were they like hey what are these guys at this point they’re like on you know their final day they were very aware they were like yeah they were like hey look at these guys
[0:44:09 – 0:44:11] Erik: Yeah, no, I think they had gotten it.
[0:44:11 – 0:44:14] Adam: They had kind of… Well, you taught them your ethic, you know.
[0:44:14 – 0:44:25] Erik: Yeah, they were like, I’m happy we started where we did and didn’t start here and end in the hard end where we were like used to docks and huge portages.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:27] Adam: So, yeah, all in all, good trip.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:30] Adam: Yeah, how is that Liz portage now?
[0:44:30 – 0:44:32] Adam: I heard they were going to do some work on the landings in there.
[0:44:33 – 0:44:36] Adam: Are there like boardwalks like going out into the water now or what’s going on there?
[0:44:36 – 0:44:40] Erik: There’s a dock between, so there’s the portage between Poplar and Liz.
[0:44:40 – 0:44:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:43] Erik: And on the Liz side, there is like a dock.
[0:44:43 – 0:44:48] Adam: Well, that was always kind of a weird little shallow little bay thing you had to launch into.
[0:44:48 – 0:44:48] Adam: Yeah.
[0:44:48 – 0:44:51] Erik: But it’s still really hard to get to to begin with.
[0:44:52 – 0:44:53] Erik: It’s really shallow in there.
[0:44:53 – 0:44:59] Erik: But then from Liz to Caribou, that side’s just as bad too, like really mucky and shallow.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:00] Erik: And I don’t mind.
[0:45:00 – 0:45:00] Erik: I’ll jump out.
[0:45:01 – 0:45:05] Erik: But it’s hard to find good footing for people who are trying to keep their feet dry.
[0:45:05 – 0:45:07] Adam: Yeah, what were they wearing for footwear?
[0:45:08 – 0:45:16] Erik: Well, the dad had some, like, big Red Wing boots on, and he pretty much was fine with just getting in.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:19] Erik: And getting his feet wet, because I was, like, straight away.
[0:45:19 – 0:45:20] Erik: I was just like, I walk right in.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:21] Erik: I don’t care.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:21] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:24] Erik: I find it cooling, refreshing, and more comfortable for loading.
[0:45:25 – 0:45:26] Erik: Or are you wearing spare sandals?
[0:45:27 – 0:45:28] Erik: No, I had my A-Solos on.
[0:45:28 – 0:45:29] Erik: Oh, okay.
[0:45:29 – 0:45:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:29 – 0:45:30] Erik: Sandals for the evening.
[0:45:31 – 0:45:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:37] Erik: But the boy was a little bit more…
[0:45:39 – 0:46:02] Erik: favoring the foot to stay dry so we kind of which is really easy if you’re if there’s somebody who’s willing to get their feet wet you can just jump in and then arrange the canoe in a way that that looks like a good rock jump out on that rock there and then you kind of slide it back and you can get in so and they both had good footwear solid sturdy portaging boots so
[0:46:04 – 0:46:05] Erik: I would do it again.
[0:46:05 – 0:46:06] Erik: Nice.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:08] Erik: Well, that’s a fine trip right there.
[0:46:09 – 0:46:09] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:10 – 0:46:12] Erik: Yeah, I was sitting out on Brule just to finish up.
[0:46:12 – 0:46:13] Erik: Wind was blowing.
[0:46:14 – 0:46:29] Erik: Just too windy to be out fishing, but sitting there with my back up against a rock, watching a slip bob or bob in the waves, intermittent clouds blocking a nice sun, 70 degrees, beautiful.
[0:46:29 – 0:46:31] Erik: And I was just like…
[0:46:32 – 0:46:49] Erik: technically i’m working right now technically technically so yeah good work if you can get it if you can get it yeah so yeah that’s that’s the long version of that trip but it was good i could literally we could talk about this trip for three hours honestly yeah
[0:46:50 – 0:47:17] Adam: uh not today not today they’ll come up in a future conversation but it’s always great to um you know a friend comes back from the field to look at a map and talk it over um he can kind of live vicariously yeah that’s what it’s all about take the trip too so yeah a lot of fun dang i’m jealous i want to i want to get into vernon bad yeah well we uh i want to do some other trips off of brule this year too i think i and you vesper
[0:47:18 – 0:47:25] Erik: I think we should definitely get that, uh, Vesper cam Cherokee loop in, on the, under the belt this year.
[0:47:25 – 0:47:26] Adam: It’s been, that’s out there.
[0:47:26 – 0:47:29] Adam: Um, I got some blank spots on the map over there, so.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:30] Adam: All right.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:45] Adam: Well, that ends the portion of the show, um, about the, the Bower Trout, uh, Brule, Misquah Hills, Winchie, Horseshoe, Caribou Trip, and, uh,
[0:47:45 – 0:47:49] Adam: Should get moving on into phase two of the show, perhaps.
[0:47:51 – 0:47:54] Adam: And phase two is Fugitives in the Boundary Waters.
[0:47:54 – 0:47:57] Adam: Doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot.
[0:47:58 – 0:48:16] Adam: In the news this week, a man, a fugitive, a scofflaw, he apparently broke into a family cabin near Preston in Waukesha County, I guess, in Wisconsin.
[0:48:16 – 0:48:17] Erik: Is that Milwaukee?
[0:48:19 – 0:48:21] Adam: No, yeah, it is.
[0:48:21 – 0:48:23] Adam: No, is it central Wisconsin?
[0:48:23 – 0:48:26] Erik: Wow, we are truly the experts on the matter here.
[0:48:26 – 0:48:27] Adam: Whatever.
[0:48:27 – 0:48:29] Adam: It’s not here nor there.
[0:48:29 – 0:48:34] Adam: The guy broke into a cabin, said he was stealing a Beamer, or is it a Mercedes-Benz?
[0:48:35 – 0:48:35] Erik: BMW.
[0:48:36 – 0:48:40] Adam: He said he was stealing a Mercedes-Benz and then fleeing to the boundary waters.
[0:48:40 – 0:48:41] Adam: Nobody was going to catch him.
[0:48:42 – 0:48:45] Adam: So this is a thing you hear about once in a while.
[0:48:45 – 0:48:48] Adam: Somebody’s like, I’m on the run from the law.
[0:48:48 – 0:48:50] Adam: I’m going to disappear into the wilderness.
[0:48:50 – 0:48:51] Adam: Not so fast.
[0:48:52 – 0:48:54] Adam: I haven’t really heard any updates on this, but…
[0:48:54 – 0:48:58] Erik: No updates just as of today.
[0:48:58 – 0:49:03] Adam: We heard another weird story which may be connected, but they have definitely not connected those dots yet.
[0:49:03 – 0:49:07] Adam: So either way, I mean, I don’t know.
[0:49:07 – 0:49:08] Adam: It’s a common theme.
[0:49:08 – 0:49:13] Adam: Every other year you hear somebody just trying to like, I’m going to go off and you’re never going to hear from me again.
[0:49:13 – 0:49:17] Erik: I think it’s like something that people romanticize where they think.
[0:49:18 – 0:49:18] Erik: They do.
[0:49:18 – 0:49:23] Adam: Well, you can’t joke about like, wait, when the zombie apocalypse starts, I know which island I’m going to on SAG.
[0:49:23 – 0:49:25] Erik: Well, that’s not a joke, though.
[0:49:25 – 0:49:26] Adam: No, it’s a real deal.
[0:49:27 – 0:49:34] Adam: But, I mean, that’s the deal is when, like, oh, when things hit the fan, I’m going to the Boundary Waters to escape.
[0:49:34 – 0:49:40] Erik: Yeah, a zombie apocalypse is totally different than running from the law after you assaulted your family.
[0:49:41 – 0:49:42] Adam: Or whatever happened.
[0:49:42 – 0:49:43] Erik: Or whatever.
[0:49:44 – 0:49:45] Adam: Yeah, like something bad happens.
[0:49:45 – 0:49:46] Adam: Allegedly happens.
[0:49:46 – 0:49:47] Adam: You’re going to flee.
[0:49:48 – 0:49:50] Adam: You know, everybody’s fleeing to the wilderness.
[0:49:50 – 0:49:52] Adam: Most people are doing it for a good reason.
[0:49:52 – 0:49:57] Adam: And then once in a while you get these people who have done something bad and they’re like, I can disappear into the woods.
[0:49:58 – 0:49:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:49:59 – 0:50:01] Adam: So that was in the news this week.
[0:50:02 – 0:50:04] Adam: We’re going to keep our pulse on this story.
[0:50:05 – 0:50:09] Adam: Moving along, question of the week.
[0:50:12 – 0:50:14] Adam: Question of the week.
[0:50:14 – 0:50:15] Adam: Yeah, that was pretty funky.
[0:50:16 – 0:50:20] Adam: I got a future in music, I think, Eric.
[0:50:20 – 0:50:23] Adam: We’re bringing in Natalie here to talk about the question of the week.
[0:50:23 – 0:50:26] Adam: She’s an expert on bugs and bug repellents.
[0:50:27 – 0:50:30] Adam: Natalie, welcome to Tumble Home, a Ponderous Podcast.
[0:50:33 – 0:50:38] Adam: All right, so the question of the week was basically the bugs are bad right now.
[0:50:39 – 0:50:41] Adam: What do you do to combat those bad bugs?
[0:50:42 – 0:50:46] Adam: I’ll let my secret out now that we’re recording.
[0:50:47 – 0:50:54] Adam: The way that I have found to keep the bugs off me is, first off, the longer you live up here, the bugs don’t like you as much.
[0:50:55 – 0:50:57] Adam: They’re looking for that fresh city blood.
[0:50:57 – 0:50:58] Adam: Sweet meat.
[0:50:58 – 0:51:01] Adam: So, you know, some people have that going for them, some don’t.
[0:51:01 – 0:51:09] Adam: But the other trick is, especially right before a big trip, I’m going to take as much pickle juice as I can get my hands on.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:14] Adam: I will drink a gallon and a half of pickle juice if I have to right before a trip, and no bugs will ever bite me.
[0:51:16 – 0:51:20] Adam: And just pretty much throughout bug season, anytime I get a chance to drink pickle juice, I will drink it.
[0:51:21 – 0:51:22] Adam: That explains the aroma.
[0:51:24 – 0:51:43] Adam: is that that’s my secret yeah i never knew that yeah that and 100% deet on the hat that and chemicals so there’s that um uh natalie what uh what was your main secret uh i think i think your one smart alecky answer is just don’t go out when the bugs are out right
[0:51:44 – 0:51:46] Natalie: Yeah, you go in the spring or the fall.
[0:51:46 – 0:51:48] Natalie: Don’t go out peak season.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:49] Adam: Well, you know, it’s just not a choice.
[0:51:49 – 0:51:52] Adam: A lot of people have to go when the bugs are bad.
[0:51:52 – 0:51:55] Adam: And you can’t really predict it even on our Frost River trip.
[0:51:55 – 0:51:55] Adam: True.
[0:51:55 – 0:51:58] Adam: We thought we were like, oh, maybe the lakes are still going to be ice.
[0:51:58 – 0:52:02] Adam: And then we still ran into bugs because it’s just really hard to avoid that.
[0:52:02 – 0:52:06] Adam: The bugs, anytime it warms up, they’re hatching and they’re coming for you.
[0:52:07 – 0:52:08] Adam: So say you’re on a trip, though.
[0:52:09 – 0:52:10] Adam: The bugs are bad.
[0:52:10 – 0:52:14] Adam: What are you doing to avoid them or mitigate those biters?
[0:52:15 – 0:52:16] Natalie: Well, you can get a head net.
[0:52:17 – 0:52:18] Natalie: I’ve never worn a head net.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:21] Natalie: It’s in the way.
[0:52:21 – 0:52:22] Natalie: I don’t like it.
[0:52:22 – 0:52:24] Natalie: It feels claustrophobic.
[0:52:24 – 0:52:25] Adam: I don’t want that.
[0:52:26 – 0:52:28] Natalie: A nice hat with DEET on it.
[0:52:28 – 0:52:29] Adam: Yeah, that’s a good one.
[0:52:30 – 0:52:33] Natalie: Now, I’ve never had a tick before, and I’ll let my secret air out.
[0:52:33 – 0:52:36] Adam: Yeah, that’s a pretty good accomplishment, never having gotten a tick before.
[0:52:36 – 0:52:43] Natalie: So, one, take Stone Lake Lavender, wash your clothes in lavender-scented laundry detergent.
[0:52:43 – 0:52:44] Adam: Okay.
[0:52:44 – 0:52:45] Natalie: That’s a natural deterrent.
[0:52:46 – 0:52:49] Natalie: Two, for the ladies out there, or the men.
[0:52:49 – 0:52:51] Natalie: Men can wear leggings, too.
[0:52:51 – 0:52:51] Adam: They certainly can.
[0:52:52 – 0:52:55] Natalie: Get yourself a nice cheap pair of leggings.
[0:52:55 – 0:52:57] Natalie: Don’t use your Athleta or Lululemons.
[0:52:58 – 0:52:59] Natalie: You need a burner leggings.
[0:52:59 – 0:52:59] Natalie: Go to Walmart.
[0:52:59 – 0:53:00] Adam: Go to Target.
[0:53:00 – 0:53:01] Adam: Burner leggings.
[0:53:02 – 0:53:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:03 – 0:53:04] Adam: Hashtag burner leggings.
[0:53:04 – 0:53:05] Adam: Burner pair leggings.
[0:53:06 – 0:53:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:06 – 0:53:07] Adam: Sacrifice them.
[0:53:07 – 0:53:08] Natalie: Spray yourself with DEET.
[0:53:09 – 0:53:12] Natalie: Now, when you’re out in the boundary waters, you’re not dressing for fashion.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:13] Natalie: You’re not dressing for looks.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:15] Adam: I do sometimes.
[0:53:15 – 0:53:17] Natalie: You do, yes.
[0:53:17 – 0:53:23] Natalie: You want to get those socks up over your ankles, over the end of the leggings.
[0:53:24 – 0:53:28] Natalie: Then yes, because of where you’re walking, ticks live in the ground.
[0:53:28 – 0:53:29] Natalie: They don’t fall from trees.
[0:53:31 – 0:53:51] Adam: contrary to popular belief they’re not gonna they can’t access your skin at all they can’t bite you if you’re wearing leggings it seems simple enough okay um eric what are you thinking uh what are your go-to methods when you find yourself on a trip when the bugs are just ferocious
[0:53:52 – 0:53:56] Erik: But I do like the input on the ticks.
[0:53:57 – 0:53:58] Adam: It’s more and more a problem.
[0:53:58 – 0:54:08] Erik: It didn’t even cross my mind to try to think about managing the ticks, but that’s definitely something that I get a lot of questions on, ticks.
[0:54:08 – 0:54:11] Adam: Yeah, I found one on the Frost River trip.
[0:54:11 – 0:54:14] Adam: I had a tick on me in the tent that first night or second night.
[0:54:14 – 0:54:15] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:54:15 – 0:54:21] Erik: I mean, it’s one of those things that it’s a question that I get asked a lot.
[0:54:21 – 0:54:25] Erik: But for me, bugs don’t really bother me that much just in general.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:30] Erik: So that’s the one thing when people are like, what do you do to stop the bugs from bothering you?
[0:54:30 – 0:54:32] Erik: It’s more of a mindset.
[0:54:32 – 0:54:33] Erik: I was like, just don’t let them bother you.
[0:54:34 – 0:54:43] Adam: Yeah, like we were on baloney, Natalie, and I was swatting and cursing and I was just having a bad time with those black flies and you’re just calmly sitting there.
[0:54:43 – 0:54:45] Erik: Yeah, I think that’s totally the thing.
[0:54:45 – 0:54:46] Adam: I go, what’s the deal?
[0:54:47 – 0:54:47] Adam: And what did you say?
[0:54:47 – 0:54:50] Adam: You’re like, there’s nothing I can do about it.
[0:54:50 – 0:54:51] Adam: There’s nothing you can do about it.
[0:54:52 – 0:54:53] Erik: Yeah, I feel the same way.
[0:54:53 – 0:54:54] Adam: That’s his life tip.
[0:54:54 – 0:54:56] Adam: That’s a pro-life tip right there.
[0:54:56 – 0:54:57] Erik: That’s a pro-life tip right there.
[0:54:57 – 0:55:00] Erik: Bug translate, bug methods translate into…
[0:55:01 – 0:55:02] Adam: Life tips.
[0:55:02 – 0:55:02] Erik: Yeah.
[0:55:03 – 0:55:09] Erik: But yeah, I mean, there are definitely times where the bugs kind of bother me, especially black flies.
[0:55:11 – 0:55:13] Adam: Even deep won’t stop those black flies.
[0:55:13 – 0:55:15] Adam: And they get up under your glasses and in a brilliant hat.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:18] Erik: Or they just fly right for your eyes and ear holes.
[0:55:18 – 0:55:20] Adam: They’re going for the orifice.
[0:55:20 – 0:55:20] Erik: Yeah.
[0:55:21 – 0:55:24] Erik: Mosquitoes, I’ve never actually been really that bothered by mosquitoes.
[0:55:25 – 0:55:25] Erik: Yeah, no.
[0:55:25 – 0:55:27] Erik: They’re the ones that everybody talks about.
[0:55:27 – 0:55:28] Erik: They’ll have mosquitoes out.
[0:55:28 – 0:55:29] Adam: They’ve been nice.
[0:55:29 – 0:55:33] Adam: I’ve been out where the mosquitoes, it’s not so much that they’re getting you.
[0:55:36 – 0:55:41] Adam: The noise of a mosquito keeping you awake at night, that’s a real frustrating one, because you can do everything right.
[0:55:41 – 0:55:46] Adam: You could even be in a tent, and the mosquitoes are so loud, they just keep you up by sheer volume.
[0:55:46 – 0:55:48] Erik: You could even be in a tent.
[0:55:48 – 0:55:54] Erik: Yeah, so I mean, like, yeah, the simple answer, which is just don’t let them bother you, that doesn’t really make any sense.
[0:55:55 – 0:55:56] Adam: It makes sense sometimes.
[0:55:56 – 0:55:56] Adam: I mean, it makes sense.
[0:55:56 – 0:56:06] Adam: I think people need to toughen up a lot, myself included, when it comes to bugs, especially when you’ve been through a seven-month winter and then you get bugs on your first trip and you’re like, oh, I forgot.
[0:56:07 – 0:56:12] Adam: You never really truly get over the bugs annoying you, but you can try.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:17] Erik: But, you know, practically, long sleeves, loose-fitting clothing.
[0:56:17 – 0:56:18] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:18 – 0:56:19] Erik: A little bit of deet.
[0:56:19 – 0:56:23] Erik: I’m not a huge, like, 100% deet on my whole body kind of guy.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:24] Adam: I don’t want to deal with that.
[0:56:24 – 0:56:26] Erik: That stuff melts through plastic.
[0:56:26 – 0:56:28] Erik: I don’t want to spray it on my skin.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:31] Adam: That 100% deet in the little tiny bottle, like, you got to be careful where you spray that.
[0:56:31 – 0:56:33] Adam: I’ve had, like, ruined pieces of clothing.
[0:56:33 – 0:56:34] Adam: That’s not even my skin.
[0:56:34 – 0:56:36] Adam: What happens if you pump that on your skin?
[0:56:36 – 0:56:38] Erik: Yeah, I’ve had it ruin glasses for sure.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:40] Erik: It’s gotten on my polarized glasses before.
[0:56:41 – 0:56:44] Adam: All right, so we kicked it out to Facebook and the RETA.
[0:56:44 – 0:56:47] Adam: We’re going to start with the Facebook.
[0:56:47 – 0:56:48] Adam: Jake chimed in.
[0:56:48 – 0:56:51] Adam: Sorry, we scroll up.
[0:56:52 – 0:56:55] Adam: Nathan was our first comment on the question.
[0:56:56 – 0:56:58] Adam: And Nathan likes the Thermacell all day.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:00] Adam: Double thumbs up.
[0:57:00 – 0:57:02] Adam: Well, two people gave the thumbs up.
[0:57:02 – 0:57:03] Adam: He didn’t do the double thumbs up.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:04] Adam: Sorry, Nathan.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:05] Adam: I’m not trying to…
[0:57:06 – 0:57:07] Adam: Anyways, thermocels.
[0:57:07 – 0:57:11] Adam: Yeah, we’ve heard this one before, and I think we’ve talked about it on the podcast.
[0:57:12 – 0:57:13] Adam: It’s new technology.
[0:57:14 – 0:57:23] Adam: It’s kind of this machine with a little propane tank that kind of emanates a cloud of defense.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:24] Adam: I have no idea.
[0:57:25 – 0:57:26] Adam: I think that’s how it works.
[0:57:26 – 0:57:30] Adam: It’s basically like a really fancy citronella burner.
[0:57:30 – 0:57:31] Adam: That’s what it sounds like.
[0:57:32 – 0:57:34] Adam: And it kind of gives off this…
[0:57:35 – 0:57:59] Adam: cloud of defense that i’m gonna go with call us up thermos cloud of defense yeah call us up we are looking for sponsorships you can clearly tell we are passionate about your product we love uh destroying bugs though so if these things work i’ve heard a lot of people say they work i’ve seen them uh where they appear to work and i’ve also seen them where uh they don’t the bugs don’t really seem to care that they’re there
[0:57:59 – 0:58:00] Erik: Well, I got Jake.
[0:58:00 – 0:58:03] Erik: He’s got a nice little paragraph here.
[0:58:04 – 0:58:06] Erik: Loose fitting, full length clothing.
[0:58:07 – 0:58:08] Erik: Don’t stop moving.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:13] Erik: Bandana sticking out from under your hat to protect the back of your neck on porches.
[0:58:13 – 0:58:14] Adam: It serves a double purpose.
[0:58:15 – 0:58:16] Adam: It helps with the bugs and it makes you look cool.
[0:58:17 – 0:58:40] Erik: yeah have all your camp chores done before sunset generally a good thing be ready to hop in your tent and then this is an interesting little uh kill mosquitoes by pressing and gently rolling rather than splatting their guts everywhere the full mosquitoes roosting in the peak of your tent in the morning are no longer a threat no need to smear your blood all over the tent
[0:58:41 – 0:58:42] Adam: Yeah, it’s a double whammy.
[0:58:42 – 0:58:46] Adam: It’s adding injury to insult when you have to smear your own blood on your tent.
[0:58:47 – 0:58:47] Erik: On your own tent?
[0:58:47 – 0:58:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:48 – 0:58:51] Adam: They got you and you stained your tent.
[0:58:51 – 0:58:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:52 – 0:58:54] Adam: Our good friend Josh got in on this.
[0:58:55 – 0:58:57] Adam: Ultrathon is the king of bug spray.
[0:58:58 – 0:59:00] Adam: The cream version lasts an impressive amount.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:06] Adam: The cream version lasts an impressive splash-proof 12 hours.
[0:59:06 – 0:59:10] Adam: An added head net, too, keeps the bugs out of your face, and that’s great.
[0:59:11 – 0:59:12] Adam: I’ve not heard of Ultrathon.
[0:59:12 – 0:59:13] Adam: Have you?
[0:59:13 – 0:59:14] Erik: Yeah, I have.
[0:59:14 – 0:59:16] Erik: We have that in the Clearwater store.
[0:59:16 – 0:59:16] Erik: It’s like a lotion.
[0:59:18 – 0:59:19] Erik: Yeah.
[0:59:20 – 0:59:22] Erik: The head net, if it works for you, it works for you.
[0:59:22 – 0:59:24] Erik: The head net is not for me.
[0:59:25 – 0:59:26] Adam: Only when I’m beekeeping.
[0:59:27 – 0:59:28] Erik: Only when beekeeping.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:43] Erik: I wrote a blog recently about bugs and bug, like, methods and how to manage them, and there was a picture I found online where there was a guy wearing a headnet with sunglasses over the headnet.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:44] Erik: Ha ha!
[0:59:44 – 0:59:50] Erik: And I was like, okay, that is why I hate headnets right there because you can’t live with them.
[0:59:51 – 1:00:00] Erik: Like the amount of stress and uncomfort, discomfort that a headnet brings you is way more than actual existence of bugs.
[1:00:01 – 1:00:02] Erik: Sorry.
[1:00:02 – 1:00:04] Erik: I’ve seen the full bug suits.
[1:00:05 – 1:00:05] Erik: No.
[1:00:05 – 1:00:08] Erik: I have not seen full bug suits, but they sound pretty terrible.
[1:00:08 – 1:00:08] Erik: Okay.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:10] Adam: Socks.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:11] Erik: Bug socks.
[1:00:13 – 1:00:16] Adam: Just wear regular socks and boots and leggings.
[1:00:16 – 1:00:16] Adam: Come on.
[1:00:18 – 1:00:18] Adam: All right.
[1:00:19 – 1:00:21] Adam: Well, thanks for chiming in, Josh.
[1:00:22 – 1:00:22] Adam: We appreciate it.
[1:00:22 – 1:00:23] Erik: And we hate bug nets.
[1:00:24 – 1:00:24] Erik: And head nets.
[1:00:24 – 1:00:25] Erik: We hate that idea.
[1:00:25 – 1:00:25] Erik: Dave.
[1:00:32 – 1:00:58] Adam: deet repel 100 sure probably knocks one year off my lifespan every trip totally worth it smiley face yes yeah i agree and we’ve just you know we didn’t previously mention that yeah like a couple squirts of that deet 100 right on the hat you just take a sacrificial hat you need a burner hat you need some burner leggings just squirt deet 100 olive rum drink a bunch of pickle juice you’re gonna be fine
[1:00:59 – 1:01:27] Adam: you’ve got pickle juice I was saying increase the intake of garlic and decrease the throw a bunch of garlic in the pickle juice let it soak overnight eat a bunch of pickled garlic pickled vegetables and then drink the pickle juice right away you’re not going to taste good to them trust me you may want to get your own tent or hammock set up don’t sleep near other people
[1:01:27 – 1:01:29] Erik: Chris, Thermosel!
[1:01:30 – 1:01:31] Erik: My saving grace.
[1:01:31 – 1:01:32] Adam: Heart emoji.
[1:01:32 – 1:01:32] Erik: Heart emoji.
[1:01:33 – 1:01:38] Erik: Thermosel seems to be… We should try one of these things one of these days.
[1:01:38 – 1:01:41] Adam: I want to check out this Ultrathon lotion, though.
[1:01:41 – 1:01:41] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:50] Adam: Yeah, I mean, the Thermosel is fine, but then you got to have a little, like, propane heater stove thing going.
[1:01:50 – 1:01:50] Adam: I mean…
[1:01:50 – 1:01:52] Erik: I didn’t realize that it involved propane.
[1:01:53 – 1:01:57] Adam: There’s little cartridges that are used to… What’s in the cartridges then?
[1:01:57 – 1:01:59] Adam: You need to have the cartridge?
[1:02:00 – 1:02:02] Erik: I just thought it was like a little…
[1:02:02 – 1:02:07] Erik: I just thought it was a little coil that you started… Like you kind of lit on fire and it slowly burned.
[1:02:07 – 1:02:08] Adam: It’s like that, but in a machine form.
[1:02:08 – 1:02:11] Adam: I thought there was like a cartridge of gas involved.
[1:02:11 – 1:02:15] Adam: Well, we shouldn’t probably speculate about it, but thermocels, they work well.
[1:02:15 – 1:02:20] Erik: 20 episodes in and our reputations are being quickly dashed.
[1:02:20 – 1:02:22] Adam: But thermocels seem to work for a lot of people.
[1:02:23 – 1:02:26] Adam: Brian, travel in the fall or chemicals?
[1:02:27 – 1:02:28] Natalie: Lots and lots of chemicals.
[1:02:30 – 1:02:32] Adam: Truer words were nair spoke.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:37] Adam: We are just adrift in a wandering sea of chemicals.
[1:02:37 – 1:02:38] Adam: Of chemicals.
[1:02:38 – 1:02:41] Erik: Danny, permethrin-treated clothes and hammock.
[1:02:41 – 1:02:43] Adam: Permethrin, yeah, I’ve heard about that.
[1:02:43 – 1:02:43] Erik: Yeah.
[1:02:45 – 1:02:51] Adam: Hannah, smoky fires and Ben’s insectic repellent wipes.
[1:02:52 – 1:02:52] Adam: Okay, thank you.
[1:02:53 – 1:03:00] Adam: The smoky fires, we did utilize that on the Frost River trip because our DEET container refused to spray DEET.
[1:03:00 – 1:03:07] Adam: We were left out in the lack of wind with no DEET, so we went with smoky fires.
[1:03:08 – 1:03:08] Adam: It certainly worked.
[1:03:08 – 1:03:12] Adam: And then a previous commenter said, just jump in the tent.
[1:03:12 – 1:03:13] Adam: We did that too.
[1:03:13 – 1:03:14] Erik: Just get in the tent.
[1:03:15 – 1:03:19] Erik: Antonio, plan early spring and late fall trips.
[1:03:20 – 1:03:30] Erik: If you miss those times, then vitamin B pills, which you naturally sweat out, has worked well during peak summer outings and you stay away from chemicals on your body.
[1:03:30 – 1:03:32] Adam: No, it’s got a lot of vitamin B in it.
[1:03:32 – 1:03:33] Erik: I’ve never heard that one before.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:34] Adam: Pickle juice.
[1:03:35 – 1:03:35] Erik: Does it?
[1:03:36 – 1:03:37] Adam: Vitamin pickles.
[1:03:37 – 1:03:37] Erik: Vitamin P?
[1:03:38 – 1:03:41] Adam: Mark, I’ve said this before, Thermacell.
[1:03:42 – 1:03:43] Adam: I also love the Ultrathon.
[1:03:43 – 1:03:46] Adam: Wear pants, hats, and have a flannel handy.
[1:03:47 – 1:03:50] Adam: Yeah, layers, Ultrathon, Thermacell.
[1:03:50 – 1:03:51] Adam: These are the good stuff.
[1:03:51 – 1:03:53] Adam: This is the good stuff, folks.
[1:03:54 – 1:03:55] Adam: A lot of wisdom being dropped here.
[1:03:56 – 1:03:59] Erik: Carl, this is the best answer, I think.
[1:04:00 – 1:04:00] Adam: Yeah.
[1:04:00 – 1:04:01] Erik: Wait until September.
[1:04:02 – 1:04:03] Adam: That was basically our first answer, right?
[1:04:03 – 1:04:05] Adam: Just don’t go out when the bugs are out.
[1:04:05 – 1:04:06] Erik: Yeah, pretty much.
[1:04:07 – 1:04:07] Adam: All right.
[1:04:07 – 1:04:08] Adam: Thanks, Facebook.
[1:04:08 – 1:04:10] Adam: You guys nailed it once again.
[1:04:10 – 1:04:11] Adam: We love you.
[1:04:11 – 1:04:12] Erik: You guys are looking good.
[1:04:12 – 1:04:17] Erik: We’ve noticed that the Facebook listeners and responders are short and sweet.
[1:04:17 – 1:04:20] Erik: The Redditors are… A little more in-depth.
[1:04:20 – 1:04:21] Erik: A little bit more in-depth.
[1:04:21 – 1:04:30] Erik: I did extend the question a little bit more to what’s your go-to method slash what’s your worst bug experience in general.
[1:04:32 – 1:04:33] Erik: And we’ve got one.
[1:04:33 – 1:04:34] Erik: Do042.com.
[1:04:36 – 1:04:37] Adam: Welcome back, Dew.
[1:04:37 – 1:04:40] Erik: We might have Dew042 on one of these days.
[1:04:40 – 1:04:41] Erik: Friend of the show.
[1:04:41 – 1:04:43] Adam: He should really be on the show.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:43] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:44 – 1:04:45] Erik: We should just have Dew.
[1:04:46 – 1:04:47] Erik: Third member of the show.
[1:04:48 – 1:04:48] Adam: Fourth member today.
[1:04:49 – 1:04:49] Adam: Dew’s here.
[1:04:50 – 1:04:51] Adam: Hello, Dew.
[1:04:51 – 1:04:53] Erik: Was that one of the guys that was working on your septic?
[1:04:53 – 1:04:55] Adam: Yeah, he actually was out here working on the septic.
[1:04:56 – 1:05:00] Adam: He figured out the old recirculating septic field pump.
[1:05:00 – 1:05:04] Erik: Dude, 042, technique number one, avoid summer.
[1:05:05 – 1:05:07] Erik: Trips before and after bug season are typical for me.
[1:05:08 – 1:05:08] Erik: Yep.
[1:05:08 – 1:05:10] Erik: That’s the most practical way for sure.
[1:05:10 – 1:05:12] Adam: I definitely want to go on a trip with this guy.
[1:05:12 – 1:05:17] Erik: On the other hand, permethrin was a revelation to me starting a few years ago.
[1:05:18 – 1:05:19] Erik: Buy it concentrated.
[1:05:19 – 1:05:21] Erik: Dunk everything.
[1:05:21 – 1:05:22] Erik: Quite remarkable.
[1:05:22 – 1:05:23] Erik: All right.
[1:05:23 – 1:05:28] Erik: Worst bugs I ever ran into was in the Quetico in the late 90s, probably June.
[1:05:29 – 1:05:29] Erik: Checks out.
[1:05:29 – 1:05:33] Erik: Basically, we’d run to our tents at dusk.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:38] Erik: We could hear the buzzing of mosquitoes above the solitude of the park.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:47] Erik: We had a Eureka A-frame tent at the time, and we could see the legions of mosquitoes lined up on the rainfly at the entrance.
[1:05:48 – 1:05:56] Erik: Better gear as the years went on led to the cover-up method coupled with head nets, but that can be hot and unpleasant.
[1:05:56 – 1:05:57] Adam: Sure can.
[1:06:00 – 1:06:23] Adam: scrubbing motobin if we want to stay out and about during the swarm at dusk and dawn we typically bring a thermosel once it gets going it’ll keep a 15 foot area free of pests while you work on food or toilet or cards outside of that season is a big one as do mentioned indeed
[1:06:24 – 1:06:42] Adam: do respond to this i need to check these out i’ve heard great things and across the board bug repeller black flies and all and then that’s been my experience we used them on alice and hudson the mosquitoes and alice were miserable and on hudson the black flies in both cases they worked well just keep them dry and fueled up
[1:06:42 – 1:06:43] Adam: See, they’re fueled up.
[1:06:43 – 1:06:45] Adam: They run on these little tanks, I swear.
[1:06:46 – 1:06:53] Adam: I think it’s a little propane burner that actually burns the little pad that has the stuff on it.
[1:06:53 – 1:06:54] Adam: You know, the goodies.
[1:06:54 – 1:06:55] Erik: The goodies.
[1:06:55 – 1:06:56] Erik: Hey, the goodies.
[1:06:56 – 1:06:57] Erik: Here’s the goodies.
[1:07:00 – 1:07:09] Erik: Well, we’ve got a straight-up glare of sun on this computer here, making for a challenging read.
[1:07:10 – 1:07:16] Adam: It might be low enough now where we can move these curtains around a little bit here in studio conducts.
[1:07:17 – 1:07:17] Adam: Thank you, Natalie.
[1:07:17 – 1:07:18] Erik: Brewfish.
[1:07:22 – 1:07:24] Erik: Windblown campsites, if available, yes.
[1:07:24 – 1:07:26] Adam: Yeah, that’s a good move.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:30] Adam: If you know what the wind’s going to be doing, right?
[1:07:30 – 1:07:33] Adam: Like, okay, get one that’s facing the wind.
[1:07:34 – 1:07:39] Erik: I mean, you don’t have to necessarily know what the wind is doing, but at least one that is exposed to the wind.
[1:07:40 – 1:07:44] Erik: That was the one thing that I was saying about that Vernon campsite.
[1:07:44 – 1:07:46] Erik: It was way up in the woods.
[1:07:47 – 1:07:58] Erik: One of the guys I go up with purchased a Nemo bug out tent a couple of years ago, which is basically a tarp with screen walls that drape down to the ground.
[1:07:59 – 1:08:01] Erik: Packs down to about the size of a large folded tarp.
[1:08:02 – 1:08:05] Erik: If you have the space for it and can carry the little extra weight.
[1:08:05 – 1:08:06] Adam: I don’t think it would probably weigh anything.
[1:08:07 – 1:08:07] Adam: Well worth it.
[1:08:09 – 1:08:10] Adam: Yeah, okay.
[1:08:10 – 1:08:11] Adam: You’ve seen those?
[1:08:12 – 1:08:13] UNKNOWN: Yeah, we saw 9×9 and 12×12.
[1:08:14 – 1:08:15] Adam: Oh, boy.
[1:08:16 – 1:08:17] Adam: All right.
[1:08:17 – 1:08:23] Adam: Canoe2, our good friend, says, Usually I trip before and after the worst of the bugs.
[1:08:24 – 1:08:30] Adam: If I’m out in June, lots of deet and the acceptance that there will be a harsh reality.
[1:08:31 – 1:08:36] Adam: My worst experience was after taking 15 or so trips into the BWCAQ.
[1:08:37 – 1:08:41] Adam: I planned a trip with my girlfriend of six years to finally see what I’ve been raving about.
[1:08:41 – 1:08:48] Adam: I chose Duncan Lake, late May, figuring largely bug free, very short in with some trout opportunities.
[1:08:49 – 1:08:52] Adam: All very good deductions, I think you were planning it correctly.
[1:08:54 – 1:08:56] Adam: Never had I seen a midge fly hatch.
[1:08:56 – 1:09:03] Adam: They were so thick I could not fish from shore and they covered every inch of our camp and our gear that was 10 yards or less from shore.
[1:09:03 – 1:09:09] Adam: We made some location adjustments but my girlfriend was mortified and she hasn’t been back since.
[1:09:09 – 1:09:14] Adam: You mean like camping or just, you know, in the relationship?
[1:09:16 – 1:09:26] Erik: I had some issues with bugs on the last day of our trip, on this last guided trip we have been talking about, and they were of the midge variety where, yeah, they’re not biting.
[1:09:26 – 1:09:27] Erik: There’s that on everything.
[1:09:27 – 1:09:28] Erik: But they’re just everywhere.
[1:09:29 – 1:09:29] Erik: Yeah.
[1:09:29 – 1:09:30] Erik: And they’re right on the water.
[1:09:30 – 1:09:31] Adam: Yeah.
[1:09:31 – 1:09:37] Adam: Natalie, we had that one trip when we met some friends out on Seagull for just like a one-nighter, and remember we got into camp and it was like,
[1:09:38 – 1:09:41] Adam: They’re so thick and hatching that you can almost not breathe.
[1:09:41 – 1:09:43] Adam: Yeah, that was insane.
[1:09:43 – 1:09:43] Adam: That was insane.
[1:09:43 – 1:09:45] Erik: That’s all you could hear was them bugs.
[1:09:45 – 1:09:46] Erik: Yeah, you can hear them.
[1:09:46 – 1:09:51] Adam: We all have different names for the bugs, but they are what they are.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:52] Adam: They’re pests.
[1:09:53 – 1:09:53] Erik: Bear pests.
[1:09:54 – 1:09:56] Erik: Finish up with Leroy218.
[1:09:57 – 1:10:01] Erik: Worst bug experience is any trip I’ve taken in June.
[1:10:02 – 1:10:05] Erik: Bug protection for me is long-sleeved shirts, pants, and boots.
[1:10:06 – 1:10:09] Erik: Tuck a handkerchief under my hat on tie.
[1:10:10 – 1:10:12] Erik: It under my chin on swampy portages.
[1:10:12 – 1:10:15] Erik: Growing a beard for summer rather than winter.
[1:10:16 – 1:10:21] Erik: Smoke a pipe while portaging a canoe on long portages and the smoke gets trapped under the boat.
[1:10:21 – 1:10:22] Erik: Great bug detergent.
[1:10:23 – 1:10:26] Erik: The only reason to smoke, really, is for bug detergent.
[1:10:27 – 1:10:37] Erik: Yep, liberal use of DEET, smart campsite selection, and getting in the tent and reading before this bewitching hour hits are all useful techniques.
[1:10:37 – 1:10:41] Erik: Oh, and tripping between August 15th and October 15th is a nice choice.
[1:10:42 – 1:10:48] Erik: Also, shameless product endorsement, but Cook Custom Sewing Screen Tents have changed my life.
[1:10:48 – 1:10:51] Adam: Well, I mean, really, that hit all our main points here.
[1:10:51 – 1:10:54] Adam: We could have just read his comment or her comment first.
[1:10:54 – 1:10:56] Erik: I think Leroy nailed it.
[1:10:56 – 1:10:57] Adam: Nailed it.
[1:10:57 – 1:10:58] Adam: All the main points here.
[1:10:58 – 1:10:59] Adam: Got him.
[1:10:59 – 1:11:00] Adam: It’s not just one thing.
[1:11:00 – 1:11:07] Adam: It’s a comprehensive approach to get rid of those bugs and keep them off you from causing you any mental strain.
[1:11:09 – 1:11:14] Adam: So, anyways, thanks for everybody on Reddit who responded to the question of the week.
[1:11:14 – 1:11:15] Adam: We sure appreciate it.
[1:11:15 – 1:11:16] Erik: Appreciate you.
[1:11:17 – 1:11:17] Adam: Get those upvotes.
[1:11:19 – 1:11:19] Adam: Get them going.
[1:11:20 – 1:11:23] Adam: We have one more pest to discuss, and then I think we’re going to get out.
[1:11:23 – 1:11:30] Adam: I know we’re going a little long here, and then we have a few more things we want to get to as far as how you can get a hold of us outside of Reddit.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:33] Adam: Perhaps you’re not on Reddit, don’t know what Reddit is.
[1:11:33 – 1:11:36] Adam: Well, there’s a new way for you to get a hold of us, but before we get to that…
[1:11:37 – 1:11:40] Adam: We have a problem bear to discuss.
[1:11:40 – 1:11:42] Adam: Natalie had some people come in to the shop.
[1:11:42 – 1:11:44] Erik: This is hot.
[1:11:44 – 1:11:47] Erik: This almost should be up there with the fugitive in terms of news.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:50] Adam: Yeah, this is actually more newsworthy than this fugitive fellow.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:53] Adam: So there’s a bear on Polly Lake.
[1:11:54 – 1:11:57] Natalie: Yeah, there’s a crazy bear on Polly Lake.
[1:11:57 – 1:11:58] Erik: Crazy bear.
[1:11:58 – 1:12:01] Natalie: We had about three men come into the store.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:08] Natalie: They were shopping very calmly for camping gear, and I just happened to ask them, oh, what are you guys up to?
[1:12:08 – 1:12:10] Natalie: Do you need any help with anything?
[1:12:10 – 1:12:13] Natalie: And they were frazzled.
[1:12:13 – 1:12:14] Natalie: They were holding it together.
[1:12:14 – 1:12:17] Natalie: One, they were drinking Red Bulls and coffee.
[1:12:17 – 1:12:18] Erik: Whoa, that doesn’t help.
[1:12:18 – 1:12:22] Natalie: They did not sleep the night before, and I’m like, what is going on?
[1:12:22 – 1:12:29] Natalie: And they tell me this crazy story of an aggressive bear on Lake Pauley, which is right outside of Sawbill.
[1:12:31 – 1:12:34] Natalie: They were at the most western campsite out there.
[1:12:34 – 1:12:39] Natalie: The bear came at night while they were sleeping and started pushing on their tents.
[1:12:40 – 1:12:44] Natalie: Then they scared the bear off and they were able to get out of their tents.
[1:12:44 – 1:12:45] Adam: Wait, I thought you said somebody screamed.
[1:12:46 – 1:12:47] Natalie: They probably screamed.
[1:12:47 – 1:12:50] Erik: I’m sure somebody tried screaming to scare it away.
[1:12:50 – 1:12:51] Natalie: Screaming to scare the bear away.
[1:12:51 – 1:12:55] Natalie: I mean, if you get woken up by something banging on your tent, I’m sure you’re screaming.
[1:12:55 – 1:12:56] Erik: I would scream.
[1:12:56 – 1:12:56] Erik: Yeah.
[1:12:58 – 1:13:02] Natalie: Um, then after they escaped, the bear came back.
[1:13:02 – 1:13:14] Natalie: They watched the bear rip the tents out of the ground, drag the tents, as they said, 30 feet into the woods, shred the tent up, pull their sleeping pads out, eat their sleeping bags.
[1:13:14 – 1:13:20] Erik: Well, I’m not sure like eat, but like, yeah, no, they consumed, they consumed their sleeping bags.
[1:13:20 – 1:13:21] Natalie: Chew on it a little bit.
[1:13:22 – 1:13:25] Adam: Uh, which were also sleeping bags were made out of pork.
[1:13:25 – 1:13:26] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[1:13:27 – 1:13:28] Erik: Rib sleeping pads.
[1:13:29 – 1:13:31] Natalie: It just looked like a rack of ribs to that bear.
[1:13:31 – 1:13:33] Adam: Flying through the air.
[1:13:34 – 1:13:39] Natalie: What’s interesting is the bear did not go for their food pack, which they claimed they’d hung.
[1:13:39 – 1:13:42] Natalie: So it was going for the tent.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:46] Natalie: They were screaming and banging around for 20 to 30 minutes.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:48] Natalie: Nothing would scare this bear off.
[1:13:49 – 1:13:52] Natalie: They eventually just got in their canoes and paddled across the lake and waited it out.
[1:13:53 – 1:14:00] Natalie: And what I found was really nice, they were following the leave no trace policy even after a bear attack.
[1:14:01 – 1:14:08] Natalie: They went back to the campsite, cleaned it up, duct taped what they had left of their packs together.
[1:14:08 – 1:14:13] Natalie: There was a night nine of a 10-day trip, and they just got out of there.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:16] Adam: And then started pounding Red Bull.
[1:14:16 – 1:14:16] Erik: Yep.
[1:14:17 – 1:14:18] Erik: And coffee.
[1:14:18 – 1:14:18] Erik: Yeah.
[1:14:19 – 1:14:19] Natalie: And coffee.
[1:14:20 – 1:14:23] Natalie: And they came in to check out some new camping gear.
[1:14:24 – 1:14:29] Natalie: They were pretty upset because I made a comment like, oh, it’s really nice to outfit yourself once you have all your gear.
[1:14:29 – 1:14:31] Natalie: I’m like, yep, we were able to do that for about two years.
[1:14:33 – 1:14:34] Natalie: And a bear got to it.
[1:14:35 – 1:14:36] Natalie: Ain’t that just the way.
[1:14:37 – 1:14:43] Adam: So you contacted the Forest Service or CO?
[1:14:43 – 1:14:44] Adam: You talked to Mary, no?
[1:14:45 – 1:14:47] Natalie: Yeah, she just happened to be in the store.
[1:14:48 – 1:14:51] Natalie: So I asked her, I was like, well, what do we do about an aggressive bear?
[1:14:51 – 1:14:52] Natalie: Who do they contact?
[1:14:53 – 1:14:58] Natalie: And I didn’t realize the Guffalant Ranger District was on their summer hours where they’re open every day.
[1:14:58 – 1:15:01] Natalie: So I told these guys, like, oh, it’s not going to be open until Monday.
[1:15:01 – 1:15:02] Natalie: Like, you’ve got to wait a few days.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:04] Natalie: And I saw her on a Saturday.
[1:15:04 – 1:15:06] Natalie: So I was telling her all about it.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:07] Natalie: She took some notes.
[1:15:08 – 1:15:14] Natalie: Sounds like they’re probably going to close off that campsite because if it’s going into tents, it’s about food in tents.
[1:15:15 – 1:15:19] Adam: Yeah, so don’t keep food in tents is what ends up happening.
[1:15:20 – 1:15:21] Adam: Nothing enticing.
[1:15:21 – 1:15:25] Adam: A bear learns that and then becomes trouble for other people.
[1:15:26 – 1:15:28] Adam: It clearly had gotten some treats out of a tent somehow.
[1:15:29 – 1:15:30] Adam: Otherwise, why would it be doing that?
[1:15:31 – 1:15:33] Adam: Sometimes you have this with a problem bear.
[1:15:35 – 1:15:42] Adam: It’s unfortunate, but another form of pest you may run into and actually a lot bigger of a problem than any old bug that you can run into is
[1:15:42 – 1:15:45] Natalie: There’s a saying up the trail, a fed bear is a dead bear.
[1:15:45 – 1:15:47] Natalie: Don’t feed the bears.
[1:15:47 – 1:15:47] Erik: Boom.
[1:15:49 – 1:15:49] Adam: All right.
[1:15:50 – 1:15:51] Erik: Thanks for the update.
[1:15:52 – 1:15:55] Erik: Polly Lake visitors, keep that in mind.
[1:15:56 – 1:15:56] Erik: Beware.
[1:15:57 – 1:16:01] Erik: As of right now, there could be a troublesome yogi out there.
[1:16:02 – 1:16:02] Adam: Well, yeah.
[1:16:02 – 1:16:04] Adam: I mean, it’s that time of year.
[1:16:05 – 1:16:08] Adam: Things are starting to grow up now, so I feel like the bears will have more to eat, but
[1:16:08 – 1:16:09] Erik: Some berries are popping.
[1:16:10 – 1:16:11] Erik: Yeah.
[1:16:11 – 1:16:11] Erik: One or two.
[1:16:11 – 1:16:14] Adam: Early in the season like that, I always really do worry about the bears.
[1:16:15 – 1:16:18] Adam: I’ve still never run into one, but you hear these stories every year.
[1:16:18 – 1:16:20] Adam: There’s like a crazy bear story like that.
[1:16:20 – 1:16:22] Adam: It’s only a matter of time.
[1:16:23 – 1:16:25] Adam: You do enough trips in the park, you’re going to run into it.
[1:16:25 – 1:16:27] Adam: Anyhow.
[1:16:27 – 1:16:28] Erik: Should we blast?
[1:16:33 – 1:16:34] Adam: What was that?
[1:16:34 – 1:16:39] Adam: Let’s start the countdown sequence and blast on out of here.
[1:16:39 – 1:16:43] Erik: Let’s just bleep all of that and pretend I was swearing.
[1:16:43 – 1:16:46] Adam: We have a new thing Eric discovered.
[1:16:47 – 1:16:50] Adam: We always joke about the fact checker hotline.
[1:16:51 – 1:16:52] Adam: It’s now a reality.
[1:16:53 – 1:16:54] Adam: Can you tell us more, Eric?
[1:16:54 – 1:16:55] Erik: I can tell you a lot more.
[1:16:56 – 1:16:56] Erik: It’s been a while.
[1:16:56 – 1:17:01] Erik: We’re going to boil it all down, give you all of the contacts.
[1:17:01 – 1:17:04] Erik: And this one was actually brought to my attention.
[1:17:04 – 1:17:08] Erik: I knew it existed, but I’d never really thought much about it.
[1:17:08 – 1:17:18] Erik: But I had a phone call from a listener a few weeks back who said that a couple of the other podcasts that he listens to has this feature.
[1:17:18 – 1:17:21] Adam: It’s kind of like a wildcard line.
[1:17:21 – 1:17:29] Erik: You can call in and leave a message, ask a question, rant, rave, tell us how much we know or don’t know.
[1:17:29 – 1:17:30] Erik: Probably don’t know.
[1:17:30 – 1:17:31] Erik: Yeah, no, nothing.
[1:17:32 – 1:17:38] Erik: So, yeah, we now do have a Tumble Home fact checker hotline.
[1:17:39 – 1:17:41] Adam: Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
[1:17:41 – 1:17:43] Adam: Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew.
[1:17:43 – 1:17:44] Adam: Call it up, baby.
[1:17:44 – 1:17:45] Erik: Feel free to call us.
[1:17:47 – 1:17:48] Erik: Here’s the number.
[1:17:48 – 1:17:48] Erik: Ready?
[1:17:49 – 1:17:52] Erik: 218-481-0649.
[1:17:53 – 1:17:54] Erik: 218-481-0649.
[1:17:56 – 1:18:01] Erik: I believe that spells 218 Pike Phone.
[1:18:01 – 1:18:02] Adam: No, it doesn’t, actually.
[1:18:02 – 1:18:03] Adam: Let me check that.
[1:18:03 – 1:18:05] Adam: It doesn’t spell anything, unfortunately.
[1:18:05 – 1:18:06] Adam: But it’s fun to say.
[1:18:06 – 1:18:07] Adam: 481-0649.
[1:18:07 – 1:18:07] Adam: Hit us up.
[1:18:11 – 1:18:11] Erik: Call us.
[1:18:11 – 1:18:12] Erik: Leave a message.
[1:18:12 – 1:18:14] Erik: We’re not going to answer that phone, but you can leave a message.
[1:18:17 – 1:18:23] Erik: If you have any specific questions that are outside of the question of the week, let us know.
[1:18:23 – 1:18:35] Erik: If you have any thoughts, maybe we’re way off on some bug stuff, some fugitive action, some Vernon fishing tips or questions, let us know.
[1:18:35 – 1:18:39] Erik: But you can also still get in touch with us in the typical ways.
[1:18:40 – 1:19:03] Adam: tumblehomecast at gmail.com tumblehome a boundary waters podcast on the old fb and also on instagram tumblehomecast check us out hashtag tumblehome we’re always here for you and we always will be thank you for our special guest natalie and the septic guys that were here earlier and uh puppy arrow who’s outside
[1:19:04 – 1:19:09] Adam: because she’s very naughty and was not allowed in the studio for today’s show.
[1:19:09 – 1:19:10] Adam: But she’s here with us in spirit.
[1:19:10 – 1:19:11] Erik: In spirit.
[1:19:11 – 1:19:16] Erik: And also on Stitcher and on SoundCloud and on iTunes.
[1:19:16 – 1:19:17] Adam: And on the iTunes.
[1:19:17 – 1:19:22] Erik: And go to all those places and leave us nice reviews, even if they’re one-star reviews.
[1:19:23 – 1:19:23] Erik: Leave them.
[1:19:23 – 1:19:25] Adam: Yeah, we just want to have some bozies.
[1:19:25 – 1:19:27] Erik: All they talk about is stupid bears.
[1:19:28 – 1:19:28] Erik: Wow.
[1:19:29 – 1:19:29] Erik: Wow.
[1:19:29 – 1:19:31] Erik: Anyway, that’s it.
[1:19:31 – 1:19:32] Erik: We got it.
[1:19:36 – 1:19:39] Adam: Good night, sweet prince.
[1:19:39 – 1:19:40] Adam: Good night, sweet princes.
[1:19:41 – 1:19:42] Adam: And happy paddling.
[1:19:43 – 1:19:43] Adam: Thank you for listening.
[1:19:44 – 1:19:44] Adam: I’m Adam.
[1:19:45 – 1:19:45] Erik: I’m Eric.
[1:19:47 – 1:19:48] Adam: Arrivederci.
[1:21:02 – 1:21:06] Natalie: What?
[1:21:06 – 1:21:08] Erik: Oh my god!
[1:21:09 – 1:21:10] Erik: Wow!
[1:21:11 – 1:21:14] Erik: I have never seen anything like that before in my life.
[1:21:15 – 1:21:17] Adam: You should be an anchor no more.
[1:21:17 – 1:21:18] Erik: He literally just caught a rock.
[1:21:19 – 1:21:22] Adam: I was like, it’s still moving, but it’s heavy.
[1:21:23 – 1:21:24] Erik: That was weird.
[1:21:24 – 1:21:24] Erik: How?
[1:21:25 – 1:21:27] Erik: Your rod tip looked like action.
[1:21:27 – 1:21:27] Erik: Yeah.
[1:21:27 – 1:21:34] Adam: We were talking about that two episodes ago, like when you get something weird on there and it kind of moves around in the water like it is a fish.