069: Maps! II

Episode Transcript

[0:00:34 – 0:00:38] Erik: Hi, hi, hi, my little trugies.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:41] Adam: Oh, dear.
[0:00:41 – 0:00:41] Adam: Oh, dear.
[0:00:42 – 0:00:42] Adam: Trugies?
[0:00:43 – 0:00:44] Adam: That’s dumb.
[0:00:44 – 0:00:46] Adam: Is there a lot of maps in Clockwork Orange?
[0:00:48 – 0:00:48] Erik: No.
[0:00:49 – 0:00:49] Erik: Moopies.
[0:00:50 – 0:00:51] Erik: Moopies.
[0:00:51 – 0:00:53] Erik: That sounds like… Map-drugies?
[0:00:54 – 0:00:55] Erik: Map-drugies.
[0:00:56 – 0:00:56] Adam: Moopies.
[0:00:57 – 0:00:58] Erik: Welly, welly.
[0:00:58 – 0:01:00] Erik: Welly, welly, welly, welly.
[0:01:00 – 0:01:02] Erik: That’s your new catchphrase.
[0:01:03 – 0:01:08] Erik: The Tumble Home, a map podcast, all things maps.
[0:01:09 – 0:01:17] Adam: My name is Francois Le Castor, and joining me here in Studio K is my good friend, the Babadook.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:19] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:20] Erik: Wow.
[0:01:20 – 0:01:20] Erik: Okay.
[0:01:20 – 0:01:21] Erik: The Babadook?
[0:01:21 – 0:01:22] Erik: It is.
[0:01:23 – 0:01:26] Erik: And we are talking maps part two.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:28] Erik: It’s been a week.
[0:01:28 – 0:01:29] Erik: How have you been?
[0:01:29 – 0:01:32] Erik: What have you been doing this last week?
[0:01:32 – 0:01:35] Adam: Strangely, nothing has happened since the last episode at all.
[0:01:35 – 0:01:36] Adam: It’s been a very odd week.
[0:01:37 – 0:01:37] Erik: Very odd.
[0:01:37 – 0:01:40] Adam: I’m coming at you in a back-to-back doubleheader.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:41] Adam: We’re owning it.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:41] Adam: Yep.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:42] Adam: I’m wearing the same shirt.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:44] Adam: I’m still wearing the same shirt, obviously.
[0:01:44 – 0:01:47] Erik: Can’t prove anything besides that based on the video evidence.
[0:01:47 – 0:01:51] Adam: Why would you want to end the conversation on maps when you can just keep talking about maps?
[0:01:52 – 0:01:53] Adam: The pizza party can wait.
[0:01:53 – 0:01:54] Erik: It’s a five-part episode.
[0:01:55 – 0:01:56] Adam: You never know.
[0:01:56 – 0:01:58] Adam: We should stop telling people how many there are.
[0:01:58 – 0:01:59] Adam: Like, this is just part one.
[0:01:59 – 0:02:00] Adam: Now this is part two.
[0:02:01 – 0:02:02] Erik: Maybe this is part three.
[0:02:02 – 0:02:03] Adam: Who knows?
[0:02:03 – 0:02:04] Adam: Who knows?
[0:02:04 – 0:02:11] Erik: We are sponsored, as always, by the fine, fine folks and friends on Patreon.
[0:02:11 – 0:02:15] Adam: The distinguished members of the club.
[0:02:15 – 0:02:18] Erik: Thank you, fine folks and friends.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:22] Erik: Things are in the mail imminently for you.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:24] Erik: I think they probably have been at this point.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:27] Erik: I had to send out a message to some of them.
[0:02:27 – 0:02:29] Adam: Seriously, something’s on its way.
[0:02:29 – 0:02:29] Adam: They understand.
[0:02:29 – 0:02:30] Adam: It’s August.
[0:02:30 – 0:02:31] Erik: It’s crazy.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:34] Erik: Today was the first time I was in town in like three weeks.
[0:02:35 – 0:02:40] Adam: I think one of the worst things is why like any schools that are starting before Labor Day.
[0:02:41 – 0:02:42] Adam: What is that going on?
[0:02:42 – 0:02:49] Erik: I was driving into town like early August and like NPR was like, most schools are back in session today.
[0:02:49 – 0:02:50] Erik: It was like August 5th.
[0:02:51 – 0:02:54] Erik: I’m like, what kind of a mad state are you?
[0:02:54 – 0:02:54] Adam: I know.
[0:02:54 – 0:02:55] Erik: Texas.
[0:02:56 – 0:02:58] Erik: Students are back in school the first week of August.
[0:02:58 – 0:03:10] Adam: I mean, okay, if we’re going to discuss a weird, unconventional school schedule system, there’s arguments to be made for not just having the whole summer off.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:12] Adam: You lose a lot of the retention.
[0:03:13 – 0:03:15] Adam: This is why we never take a month off anymore.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:17] Adam: We’re with you here forever.
[0:03:18 – 0:03:19] Adam: We’ll never go away.
[0:03:20 – 0:03:42] Adam: we’ll never go away we’ll never die eric and i will never die we’ll never die but yeah i mean you know say what you will like there’s other uh ideas on the most efficient way to have a school calendar but like if you’re going to have summers off like then what are you doing starting in the middle of august for or the and maybe they end in like
[0:03:44 – 0:03:45] Adam: May?
[0:03:45 – 0:03:46] Adam: April?
[0:03:46 – 0:03:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:47] Adam: Why would you do that?
[0:03:47 – 0:03:48] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:49] Adam: Nobody enjoys the spring of their life.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:50] Adam: It’s tight.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:53] Adam: Let’s let people enjoy the fall of their life just a little.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:55] Adam: They don’t know what they’re doing.
[0:03:55 – 0:03:55] Adam: So, yeah.
[0:03:59 – 0:03:59] Erik: Joe.
[0:03:59 – 0:04:00] Erik: What are we talking about?
[0:04:00 – 0:04:00] Erik: Maps?
[0:04:01 – 0:04:01] Erik: What are we talking about?
[0:04:01 – 0:04:04] Erik: We have to get to the peer sponsorship.
[0:04:04 – 0:04:04] Adam: Well, yeah.
[0:04:04 – 0:04:07] Adam: We got to thank our friends on Patreon.
[0:04:07 – 0:04:08] Erik: Thank you, friends on Patreon.
[0:04:08 – 0:04:09] Erik: You are the best.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:10] Adam: You’re legit.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:15] Erik: We are also sponsored this week by Kyle.
[0:04:15 – 0:04:15] Erik: Noted.
[0:04:23 – 0:04:24] Erik: Friend of the show.
[0:04:24 – 0:04:25] Erik: Kyle.
[0:04:25 – 0:04:28] Erik: Vikings fan and.
[0:04:28 – 0:04:28] Erik: That’s cool.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:31] Erik: Incredible dancer.
[0:04:31 – 0:04:32] Erik: Good luck this season.
[0:04:34 – 0:04:39] Erik: He’s sponsored us with some delicious.
[0:04:39 – 0:04:41] Erik: I already have had one of these before.
[0:04:41 – 0:04:42] Erik: I know they’re delicious.
[0:04:43 – 0:04:45] Erik: Ballast Point Brewing Company.
[0:04:46 – 0:04:47] Erik: Grapefruit.
[0:04:48 – 0:04:48] Erik: Scalpina.
[0:04:49 – 0:04:50] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:04:50 – 0:04:51] Erik: There’s one for you.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:51] Erik: Thank you.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:52] Erik: Grapefruit.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Erik: Here’s one for me.
[0:04:55 – 0:04:57] Adam: I had some really good grapefruit juice, and I bought some.
[0:04:58 – 0:04:58] Adam: Ready?
[0:04:58 – 0:04:58] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:04:59 – 0:04:59] Erik: Go.
[0:05:00 – 0:05:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:01 – 0:05:02] Erik: Not our best work.
[0:05:03 – 0:05:04] Erik: Cheers.
[0:05:04 – 0:05:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:05 – 0:05:10] Adam: I bought just a little bottle of gin, and I made some Greyhounds this week.
[0:05:11 – 0:05:11] Adam: It’s summer.
[0:05:12 – 0:05:12] Adam: Just a little bottle.
[0:05:12 – 0:05:14] Erik: Oh, this is really nice.
[0:05:14 – 0:05:15] Erik: This is the… Yeah.
[0:05:16 – 0:05:20] Erik: Last week, we were scrapping the meat off the T-bones steak.
[0:05:20 – 0:05:21] Erik: What are we doing now?
[0:05:21 – 0:05:21] Erik: Like…
[0:05:22 – 0:05:24] Adam: Now we’re boiling the bones down.
[0:05:24 – 0:05:25] Adam: We’re making the broth.
[0:05:25 – 0:05:27] Adam: Yeah, then we’ll get to the gravy later.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:30] Adam: You got to make the broth before you can make the gravy.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:31] Adam: That’s what everybody says.
[0:05:31 – 0:05:34] Adam: I’m not sure that’s true, and I should probably know that.
[0:05:34 – 0:05:36] Adam: I think you can make gravy with a broth.
[0:05:36 – 0:05:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:37 – 0:05:39] Adam: You’re going to actually want to make some broth first.
[0:05:39 – 0:05:42] Adam: Just make a lot of broth in life in general, and then you can make lots of other great things.
[0:05:43 – 0:05:46] Erik: Just generally good life tip, make a lot of broth.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:48] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:05:48 – 0:05:49] Adam: So he’s a Vikings fan?
[0:05:49 – 0:05:50] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:50 – 0:05:51] Erik: Do you remember Kyle?
[0:05:51 – 0:05:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:52] Adam: He was at the party last year.
[0:05:52 – 0:05:53] Adam: I know.
[0:05:53 – 0:05:54] Adam: We danced.
[0:05:54 – 0:05:54] Erik: Yeah, that’s what I mean.
[0:05:54 – 0:05:55] Erik: Noted dancer.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:56] Adam: Yeah, really.
[0:05:57 – 0:05:58] Adam: Smooth moves.
[0:05:58 – 0:06:03] Adam: I mean, I’ve definitely, I think, it’s no secret, I’m a Packers fan.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:07] Adam: And people often ask, like, what’s that like living up in northern Minnesota?
[0:06:07 – 0:06:08] Erik: What’s that like?
[0:06:08 – 0:06:09] Adam: The season’s upon us.
[0:06:10 – 0:06:14] Adam: And I say, well, you can still listen to the Packers radio network on 99.7 FM.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:22] Adam: You can pick that up on any weather radio in the park, by the way, if you’re happening to be on a Thursday night trip at the beginning of the season for week one.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:28] Adam: Just crank the handle and put on 99.7 FM out of Ashland.
[0:06:28 – 0:06:29] Adam: You can pick those games up.
[0:06:29 – 0:06:32] Adam: And honestly, I know I prefer listening to them on the radio.
[0:06:32 – 0:06:33] Adam: It’s super nostalgic.
[0:06:33 – 0:06:35] Adam: I borderline…
[0:06:35 – 0:06:38] Erik: I borderline can’t watch NFL on TV anymore.
[0:06:38 – 0:06:40] Erik: Well, I borderline hate football.
[0:06:41 – 0:06:43] Adam: Now I’m getting a call from Pennsylvania.
[0:06:43 – 0:06:44] Erik: I think you should answer that one.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:46] Erik: Should we answer it live on air?
[0:06:46 – 0:06:47] Adam: It’s raw.
[0:06:48 – 0:06:49] Adam: I don’t think so.
[0:06:49 – 0:06:54] Erik: Yeah, no, I can’t stand watching football.
[0:06:55 – 0:06:58] Erik: Ever since they put instant replay in now.
[0:06:58 – 0:06:58] Adam: I know.
[0:06:58 – 0:07:00] Erik: But listening to it on the radio, it’s not even like.
[0:07:00 – 0:07:03] Adam: You can still get things done, but also enjoy the game.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:07] Adam: Larry and Wayne do a fine job of calling the game.
[0:07:08 – 0:07:12] Adam: The guy for the Vikings is a little obnoxious, but so are Wayne and Larry sometimes.
[0:07:13 – 0:07:13] Adam: What?
[0:07:13 – 0:07:14] Erik: The Vikings guy is super obnoxious.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:17] Adam: The Vikings guy is insane to listen to him.
[0:07:17 – 0:07:18] Adam: What’s his name?
[0:07:18 – 0:07:19] Adam: Don’t even say it on air.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:20] Erik: Border battle.
[0:07:20 – 0:07:21] Erik: It’s a border battle.
[0:07:23 – 0:07:24] Adam: How do we fall down this rabbit hole?
[0:07:25 – 0:07:25] Adam: Kyle.
[0:07:26 – 0:07:27] Adam: Kyle.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:28] Adam: So it’s fine.
[0:07:28 – 0:07:34] Erik: Listening to football on the radio is like an audio form of like a nice, like your favorite wool sweater.
[0:07:35 – 0:07:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:07:35 – 0:07:36] Erik: It’s so cozy.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:39] Erik: It’s just not about listening to football on the radio.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:40] Erik: I love it.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:42] Adam: It’s this good Christian boy fall stuff out here.
[0:07:43 – 0:07:47] Adam: It’s wearing cozy sweaters and listening to football on the FM radio.
[0:07:47 – 0:07:48] Adam: It’s got a really good boom box.
[0:07:48 – 0:07:49] Adam: It’s got a great speaker.
[0:07:50 – 0:07:52] Adam: Shout out to my buddy Pat.
[0:07:53 – 0:07:54] Adam: He gave me this radio.
[0:07:54 – 0:07:55] Adam: It’s very fine.
[0:07:55 – 0:07:59] Adam: I just have that hooked up out in the living room and listen to the game on that.
[0:07:59 – 0:08:00] Adam: It’s pretty nice.
[0:08:00 – 0:08:02] Erik: Yeah, it’s like out around the campfire.
[0:08:02 – 0:08:05] Erik: Listening to it is great, but it’s also like one of those things like…
[0:08:07 – 0:08:33] Adam: like cleaning the garage with the door open yeah and like you can just be out there splitting wood just splitting wood in your flannel yeah drinking a light beer maybe having a sculpin grapefruit ipa while you’re splitting a little wood listening to the packers play the the bears in week one or i think we play uh american vikings week two this year like classic american artists who did all like the super nostalgic paintings norman rockwell
[0:08:34 – 0:08:44] Erik: yeah did he ever do like a football garage painting like that seems like we’re like yeah really like painting a rock well you want to come over in a couple weeks and like change some oil
[0:08:46 – 0:09:13] Adam: listen to the game like this is the way to watch to enjoy football is you’re not sitting glued to your tv like scarfing down wings oh like hang out in the garage listen to it in the game let your imagination put the pieces together yeah and then or you know go on a camping trip and let’s do it on uh around the fire out in the boundary waters there’s nothing illegal about that and it’s quite enjoyable the day football on the radio dies is the day i i die
[0:09:13 – 0:09:14] Adam: Yeah, I would stop.
[0:09:15 – 0:09:18] Adam: Honestly, I only watch a game every once in a while now.
[0:09:18 – 0:09:22] Adam: If we’re going to get some friends together or something, okay, then put it on the TV.
[0:09:22 – 0:09:26] Adam: But if I’m just sitting around, I’ll just put it on the radio.
[0:09:26 – 0:09:28] Adam: I prefer it that way now.
[0:09:28 – 0:09:29] Adam: So that’s always an option.
[0:09:29 – 0:09:31] Adam: So if you’re off, you can listen to it live.
[0:09:33 – 0:09:35] Erik: This is coming from a guy who really doesn’t like football.
[0:09:35 – 0:09:40] Erik: So, jeez, I can’t imagine the warm fuzzies people get from football on the radio.
[0:09:40 – 0:09:46] Adam: I feel pretty good about getting to listen to a Packers live on, listen to Wayne and Larry call the game.
[0:09:46 – 0:09:47] Adam: It’s nice.
[0:09:47 – 0:09:52] Adam: And there honestly are a lot of Packers fans that live up here, at least in Cook County.
[0:09:53 – 0:09:56] Adam: As we’ve said, there’s 5,400 people that live here year-round.
[0:09:56 – 0:10:02] Adam: I would say a good 20% of those, 22% of those people are Packers fans.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:05] Adam: There’s a lot of expats and transplants that live up here.
[0:10:05 – 0:10:07] Adam: Expats.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:09] Adam: I like to say that the people up here are expats.
[0:10:09 – 0:10:11] Adam: You’ll find people from everywhere living up here.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:12] Adam: It’s great.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:14] Adam: You meet people from all over.
[0:10:14 – 0:10:15] Erik: Yeah.
[0:10:15 – 0:10:18] Adam: And a lot of really interesting folks live up here.
[0:10:18 – 0:10:18] Adam: Yeah.
[0:10:19 – 0:10:42] Adam: it’s not all Vikings fans like for sure the majority of people up here are Vikings fans if you’re wearing if you’re bold enough to wear your Packers hat out in public you’re gonna get you know thrown your way oh 10 30 that’s the way it is I’m you know I just I’m not as serious about football as I used to be either so I just kind of smile and yeah all right let’s see where you’re at in week two then um
[0:10:45 – 0:10:45] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:10:45 – 0:10:47] Adam: I would say I think I looked it up.
[0:10:47 – 0:10:56] Adam: The Vegas odds, I think, actually have the Packers and Vikings basically at even odds to win the North this year with the Bears slightly behind.
[0:10:56 – 0:11:01] Adam: So any Chicagoland listeners, I know you don’t believe that.
[0:11:02 – 0:11:09] Adam: I’ve heard a lot of talk on Reddit that the Bears are going to run away with this division, and Vegas does not believe that to be so.
[0:11:09 – 0:11:10] Adam: So it’ll be a good year.
[0:11:10 – 0:11:11] Adam: It’s a tough division.
[0:11:11 – 0:11:13] Adam: Hell, don’t even sleep on the Lions.
[0:11:13 – 0:11:14] Adam: I can’t believe I’m saying that.
[0:11:14 – 0:11:33] Erik: All right, well, thanks, Kyle, for giving me the thoughts on nostalgic football on the radio, but also thanks for kind of borderline putting me to sleep because Adam just went off on a little bit too much of a tangent.
[0:11:33 – 0:11:34] Erik: Do you think that was too much?
[0:11:34 – 0:11:35] Erik: For me, it was.
[0:11:36 – 0:11:37] Erik: Not for probably anybody else.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:40] Adam: Yeah, I’m guessing a lot of people listening enjoyed that.
[0:11:41 – 0:11:42] Adam: I think it was a fair assessment.
[0:11:43 – 0:11:46] Adam: I’m pretty measured when it comes to football these days.
[0:11:46 – 0:11:50] Erik: I was finding myself just looking over on these maps.
[0:11:50 – 0:11:51] Adam: You want to get to the maps?
[0:11:51 – 0:11:53] Adam: What’s in these maps over here?
[0:11:53 – 0:11:54] Adam: What’s your favorite map, Eric?
[0:11:55 – 0:11:56] Adam: My favorite map?
[0:11:56 – 0:11:57] Adam: Company or just map?
[0:11:57 – 0:12:02] Adam: Just like your favorite map overall, like your one map you think of when you think of maps.
[0:12:03 – 0:12:06] Erik: My favorite map, it’s tough.
[0:12:06 – 0:12:18] Erik: When I think of maps, it’s tough not to think of, which is a huge part of maps, which we didn’t talk about in episode one, which makes a big difference to me, and that is the color scheme.
[0:12:18 – 0:12:19] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:12:19 – 0:12:20] Erik: Yeah, that’s big.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:26] Erik: Tough not to think of the classic yellow and blue, like Fisher, W.A.
[0:12:26 – 0:12:26] Erik: Fisher.
[0:12:26 – 0:12:27] Erik: What is that?
[0:12:27 – 0:12:28] Erik: Do you know what that stands for?
[0:12:28 – 0:12:29] Erik: Have we ever looked into that?
[0:12:29 – 0:12:31] Adam: Wilbur Adam.
[0:12:32 – 0:12:32] Adam: No, I don’t know.
[0:12:33 – 0:12:34] Adam: I don’t know what the WA stands for.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:42] Erik: They’ve got the most visually, aesthetically pleasing color combination with the yellow and blue.
[0:12:42 – 0:12:52] Adam: Right, because I really don’t like the light yellow or the light blue on their own, but together they are very pleasing to the eye.
[0:12:52 – 0:13:18] Erik: yes but so easy they’re easy on the eye so my favorite map color combination generally i would say my go-to is is the is the fisher wa fisher but yeah and i don’t think it’s any any secret that we we enjoy the fisher but the adventure map by chris marr i think is my favorite map in general just because of my it’s really well made profound love for quetico
[0:13:19 – 0:13:36] Adam: this is like the costoplast of maps like whatever they’re printing these on is the best material i mean it’s got the best this is the k1 plastic of maps right here it’s swedish made yeah still after all these years it smells good it’s just or is it just that doesn’t retain smell
[0:13:37 – 0:13:40] Erik: It’s got a beautiful weight to it.
[0:13:40 – 0:13:41] Adam: It is printed on…
[0:13:42 – 0:13:45] Adam: This is a 1 to 125,000 scale.
[0:13:46 – 0:13:52] Erik: It’s a beautifully weighted paper, which is also 100% waterproof.
[0:13:52 – 0:13:58] Erik: It has an incredible legend on the right-hand side.
[0:13:58 – 0:14:00] Erik: I’m a big fan of a legend.
[0:14:01 – 0:14:03] Erik: It’s a legendary legend.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:04] Erik: Look at this eagle.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:06] Erik: Bald Eagle.
[0:14:06 – 0:14:07] Erik: Bald Eagle, really?
[0:14:07 – 0:14:13] Adam: The backside of this map is loaded with information and fun details and pictures.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:13] Adam: Yep.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:15] Adam: There’s a nice picture of a castor.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:35] Erik: canadensis oh you know the there was there is one map company that i did not bring to represent which is um fine because i don’t really use them but they we would still mention them so um obviously the adventure map is for uh quetico purposes um
[0:14:36 – 0:14:38] Erik: So, where do you want to start?
[0:14:38 – 0:14:41] Erik: Do you want to just go right into the Chrismarn?
[0:14:41 – 0:14:43] Erik: Do you want to do Fisher?
[0:14:43 – 0:14:52] Erik: Or do you want to do… Because we kind of ended with big, broad overview maps, which we like for planning, but not necessarily for navigating maps.
[0:14:52 – 0:14:55] Adam: I was going to say we just keep going on that arc.
[0:14:55 – 0:15:01] Adam: Now we’re working our way to the Chrismar and the Nat Geos, and then at the end we’ll go to the zoomed-in maps.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:04] Erik: We’ll finish with the most practical navigational maps.
[0:15:05 – 0:15:08] Adam: And then, of course, what is everybody else using?
[0:15:08 – 0:15:11] Adam: That’s what we really are getting to the meat of this episode.
[0:15:11 – 0:15:17] Erik: We’ll bring out the notepad and just make a dash mark under what everybody else votes for.
[0:15:17 – 0:15:18] Adam: Yeah, we will.
[0:15:18 – 0:15:19] Adam: I have the scorecard ready here.
[0:15:19 – 0:15:21] Adam: I have a fine pen.
[0:15:22 – 0:15:26] Adam: I wanted to just give a shout-out, and I asked Natalie what her favorite map was.
[0:15:27 – 0:15:29] Adam: She said, like, old hand-drawn maps.
[0:15:30 – 0:15:31] Adam: Like, hell yeah.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:35] Adam: Old maps are really cool to look at just because they’re sometimes inaccurate.
[0:15:35 – 0:15:37] Adam: Sometimes things aren’t named the same thing.
[0:15:39 – 0:15:43] Adam: There’s an artist who is pretty well known up here.
[0:15:43 – 0:15:47] Adam: If you’ve seen the work around, it’s like these old hand-drawn maps.
[0:15:47 – 0:16:10] Adam: billy billy needham yeah those are really fun get your way up to trail center there’s a bunch of original needhams in their back room yeah get yourself a seat in the back room at trail center and check those needhams out i’m glad we got to that so uh natalie kind of reminded me there’s a cool one over at bearskin lodge too yeah there’s a lot of just cool ones i like the on the grand portage just recently like on the crossing the old 61 there’s kind of like a
[0:16:11 – 0:16:30] Adam: hand carved map of the the relief map of that whole area that’s a really cool like the font on that yeah i don’t know there’s a lot of that going around and um so yeah shout out to hand-drawn maps for sure um yeah i don’t know if i have a favorite map i think we i do and we will get to it so it’s coming up
[0:16:31 – 0:16:32] Adam: So I think…
[0:16:32 – 0:16:33] Adam: It’s not the Chris Marr, even though…
[0:16:33 – 0:16:36] Adam: The Chris Marr is the nicest map on the market, for sure.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:38] Erik: The crossover… And we’ll talk about accuracy as well.
[0:16:39 – 0:16:40] Adam: I think we should just… That makes a difference.
[0:16:40 – 0:16:43] Adam: Delve into the Chris Marr and then get into the Nat Geos.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:55] Erik: So I think we’re crossing over from the end of last episode into this one with maps that are predominantly used for, like, planning and, like, somewhat navigation…
[0:16:56 – 0:17:04] Erik: But these maps were getting to a point where it’s like you can plan with them, but then you can also navigate with them.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:11] Adam: Yeah, I’m more and more going into these mid-range maps.
[0:17:11 – 0:17:11] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:12 – 0:17:13] Adam: These aren’t grim.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:17] Adam: These are more like a buzz or a rock kind of map.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:18] Adam: Understandable distance.
[0:17:19 – 0:17:20] Adam: Yeah, a lot of people are getting these references.
[0:17:20 – 0:17:21] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:25] Adam: You could navigate off of these, and they show a lot of territory.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:26] Adam: You could navigate.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:27] Adam: They’re zoomed out.
[0:17:27 – 0:17:37] Adam: As we said, one to 125,000 for the Quetico, and then the Nat Geos are zoomed in, and there’s actually, I believe, three of them.
[0:17:38 – 0:17:44] Adam: There’s two for the Boundary Waters, one for Voyager National Park, and then one also for Isle Royale.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:57] Adam: So these are a little more zoomed in at 1 to 70,000, but this Chrismar at 1 to 125, you got the entirety of Quetico Provincial Park on there, and you can navigate by that map.
[0:17:58 – 0:18:00] Adam: I believe it to be highly accurate.
[0:18:01 – 0:18:01] Adam: It is.
[0:18:01 – 0:18:02] Erik: I know it is.
[0:18:02 – 0:18:04] Erik: We have corroborated.
[0:18:04 – 0:18:21] Erik: the portage locations that doesn’t have campsites the chrismar yeah but there are no designated campsites in quetico so it doesn’t have to but the portage locations are highly accurate and the map is updated on a yearly basis
[0:18:22 – 0:18:27] Adam: Yeah, I like about ordering this map too, the adventure map by Chris Meyer.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:31] Adam: You literally go to this old website.
[0:18:31 – 0:18:31] Adam: You have to call.
[0:18:32 – 0:18:33] Erik: Did I have to call?
[0:18:33 – 0:18:35] Adam: I thought I was able to mail.
[0:18:35 – 0:18:38] Adam: I thought I mailed a personal check to somebody’s house.
[0:18:38 – 0:18:41] Erik: Maybe that, but you can’t just go and click and drag into a cart.
[0:18:41 – 0:18:49] Adam: It was the most wholesome interaction I’ve had in this economy in the last decade other than when I got my auger blade sharpened by a guy in Duluth.
[0:18:49 – 0:18:49] Adam: That’s right.
[0:18:49 – 0:18:51] Adam: And that’s not a metaphor.
[0:18:51 – 0:18:54] Adam: I literally shipped this guy my auger blades, and he did a great job.
[0:18:55 – 0:18:56] Adam: This is like that.
[0:18:57 – 0:19:02] Adam: You had to send somebody a personal check by mail, and then they sent this to you.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:05] Adam: It just shows up in an envelope.
[0:19:05 – 0:19:08] Adam: It’s like a card from your grandmother.
[0:19:08 – 0:19:12] Erik: Yeah, I ordered a bunch from Clearwater, and I just had to call, and it was just some guy.
[0:19:12 – 0:19:13] Adam: Chris, where are my apps?
[0:19:13 – 0:19:15] Erik: I was like, I want to buy 20 of them.
[0:19:17 – 0:19:18] Adam: Oh, great.
[0:19:18 – 0:19:19] Adam: We can do that.
[0:19:19 – 0:19:21] Erik: And they’re like, here’s credit card information.
[0:19:21 – 0:19:22] Erik: We’ll get those in the mail as soon as possible.
[0:19:22 – 0:19:24] Adam: Wow, they take credit card now, huh?
[0:19:24 – 0:19:26] Adam: See, I think I bought this one in…
[0:19:26 – 0:19:28] Adam: I know I bought this one in 2011.
[0:19:29 – 0:19:31] Adam: And it’s still in great… Yeah, they have their email in the back.
[0:19:31 – 0:19:32] Adam: And their email…
[0:19:32 – 0:19:33] Adam: This is very wholesome, too.
[0:19:34 – 0:19:36] Adam: It’s email at chrismar.com.
[0:19:37 – 0:19:39] Adam: If anybody wants to email Chris Marr, that’s it.
[0:19:40 – 0:19:41] Adam: Big plug for Chris Marr.
[0:19:42 – 0:19:44] Adam: They are an unofficial sponsor of the show.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:47] Adam: I like this location map on the back.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:47] Adam: This is great.
[0:19:48 – 0:19:53] Adam: Just shows you the whole Pickerel Lake, Sturgeon Lake, the big ones, Quetico.
[0:19:53 – 0:20:20] Erik: yep it’s got the map multiple it’s got the like full north yeah wow it’s a super zoom in and then they oh i didn’t even notice that it’s a triple triple zoom in that’s crazy all right on the also on the back i like the the adventure map series developed by wilderness map makers mark jameson smith and christine kennedy is composed of original topographic maps covering many of canada’s popular wilderness recreation areas
[0:20:20 – 0:20:45] Adam: maps are specifically designed for outdoor adventurers who need an accurate up-to-date rugged guide to the wilderness you know i think we’re going to talk about like future show ideas in the bonus episode this week but i’m just got an idea like we should try and get a hold of them to like you know have them on the show we should go and we should go have drinks with these guys and they do they signed it autographs are on the bottom of the map we already have their autographs
[0:20:46 – 0:20:54] Erik: And then the other thing that is bolded, which we probably should have started the show with, this map is no substitute for preparation, caution, and experience.
[0:20:55 – 0:20:55] Erik: Yes.
[0:20:55 – 0:20:57] Erik: These are all great points.
[0:20:57 – 0:21:00] Erik: We hid that like mid episode of part two.
[0:21:00 – 0:21:01] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:01 – 0:21:06] Erik: This map is definitely no map is substitute for preparation, caution, and experience.
[0:21:07 – 0:21:08] Erik: Um,
[0:21:08 – 0:21:14] Erik: So, yeah, the Chrismar Quetico map, we kind of mentioned the scale.
[0:21:14 – 0:21:17] Erik: They’re out of Uxbridge, Ontario.
[0:21:17 – 0:21:20] Erik: Incredibly accurate if you can get used to that scale.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:21] Erik: It’s not a problem at all.
[0:21:21 – 0:21:22] Erik: Which is a little bit large.
[0:21:23 – 0:21:29] Adam: Honestly, I viewed the wilderness differently before I used a Chrismar.
[0:21:29 – 0:21:30] Erik: Okay.
[0:21:30 – 0:21:40] Adam: When you’re on the zoomed-in scale of a McKenzie or a Fisher or what have you, you think about the way you’re navigating a lake on a windy day.
[0:21:41 – 0:21:46] Adam: It just changes the way you’re trying to read the lake, if that makes sense.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:52] Adam: Whereas when you’re on here, it forces you to really just look at the really big detail.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:57] Adam: Where’s that next pinch point or point or bay?
[0:21:58 – 0:22:00] Adam: There’s a big hill up ahead on the right.
[0:22:01 – 0:22:01] Adam: Where is it?
[0:22:03 – 0:22:10] Adam: It forces you to zoom out personally, I think, when you’re using these mid-range maps, which is what I’ve really started to enjoy.
[0:22:10 – 0:22:14] Adam: You don’t need the super zoomed-in maps for navigation, right?
[0:22:14 – 0:22:19] Erik: The only thing with the Chris Marr is it doesn’t have the topo lines, so you don’t really get that hill.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:32] Adam: I guess, yeah, I mean, that’s, yeah, I guess I’m more, like, talking about, like, the shape of lakes and, like, how you, like, see it on a map versus how it looks to you when you’re in the backseat of a canoe navigating.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:37] Erik: It’s part two of that Guillermo del Toro movie.
[0:22:38 – 0:22:39] Adam: The water monster movie?
[0:22:39 – 0:22:42] Erik: The shape of lakes.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:43] Adam: Yeah, it’s that.
[0:22:44 – 0:22:45] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:22:45 – 0:22:52] Adam: There is something about when you’re on a Fisher or a McKenzie, it’s so detailed that you’re like, wait, is that the next bay?
[0:22:52 – 0:22:58] Adam: But when you’re on a Chrismar or an Atgeo, you know when you’ve seen the big bay.
[0:22:58 – 0:22:59] Adam: Like, okay, that’s that.
[0:23:00 – 0:23:01] Adam: This isn’t like, oh, I don’t know.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:02] Adam: Is that…
[0:23:02 – 0:23:04] Adam: what I’m thinking that is like, it just, I don’t know.
[0:23:04 – 0:23:08] Adam: I like to, when I’m navigating, I like to be a little farther zoomed out.
[0:23:08 – 0:23:25] Adam: I like the 70 or the 100, uh, uh, scale as opposed to this like zoomed in version, except for when I’m like looking for the campsites later, which is why I have really started to enjoy the Nat Geo that the one, one to 70,000 scale.
[0:23:26 – 0:23:30] Adam: And I, I guess, do we have anything else to say on the, on the Chris Meyer before we move on?
[0:23:31 – 0:23:32] Erik: No, love it.
[0:23:32 – 0:23:33] Erik: I love it.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:36] Erik: I sleep with one under my pillow every night.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:37] Adam: Keep one in your pillow.
[0:23:37 – 0:23:40] Adam: Actually, I just have a whole pillow filled with Chris Mars.
[0:23:41 – 0:23:42] Adam: Makes a fine pillow.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:43] Adam: A lot of air in this map, too.
[0:23:43 – 0:23:46] Adam: I can’t say enough about the quality of the construction.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:48] Erik: I mean, the Nat Geos are along the same lines.
[0:23:48 – 0:23:48] Adam: They are, though.
[0:23:48 – 0:23:50] Adam: The Nat Geos are in the same…
[0:23:50 – 0:23:52] Adam: This is K1 plastic.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:53] Adam: This is K2.
[0:23:53 – 0:23:53] Adam: These are both…
[0:23:54 – 0:23:55] Adam: They’re nice in a different way.
[0:23:55 – 0:24:00] Adam: I feel like I’ve used this one a lot more, and it just shows its own wear.
[0:24:00 – 0:24:06] Adam: I think if I had actually taken this Chris Marr on this many trips, it still is heavier, though.
[0:24:06 – 0:24:08] Adam: It shows slightly more area.
[0:24:08 – 0:24:09] Erik: The Nat Geos…
[0:24:09 – 0:24:12] Adam: This one’s a little more banged up, as you can see.
[0:24:12 – 0:24:14] Adam: Let’s give them the side view on these, too.
[0:24:15 – 0:24:20] Adam: This one’s clearly in pretty mint condition, whereas this is like a Nat Geo that’s seen some things.
[0:24:21 – 0:24:22] Erik: Seen some things.
[0:24:22 – 0:24:23] Adam: It’s seen some things.
[0:24:23 – 0:24:34] Erik: And I think it’s probably mostly based on the fact that the Nat Geo tries to get all of the campsites accurately marked, that I can say the Nat Geos are less accurate than the Chris Marr.
[0:24:34 – 0:24:38] Erik: But if the Chris Marr tried to mark all of its campsites, it would probably end up saying the same thing.
[0:24:40 – 0:24:48] Adam: Yeah, you’ve got to take that information with a grain of salt when you’re consulting a map.
[0:24:49 – 0:24:51] Adam: Why is marking campsites so difficult?
[0:24:52 – 0:24:54] Adam: But it seems to be the one that they all struggle with.
[0:24:54 – 0:24:54] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:24:55 – 0:25:04] Erik: There’s a map company that we’re going to get to that, in my experience, has the best campsite location procedure.
[0:25:04 – 0:25:04] Erik: Right on.
[0:25:05 – 0:25:07] Adam: One last note on the Chris Marlick.
[0:25:07 – 0:25:09] Adam: On portage distances, they are in meters.
[0:25:10 – 0:25:10] Erik: Right.
[0:25:10 – 0:25:12] Adam: So you have to get used to that.
[0:25:12 – 0:25:13] Adam: Which is fine.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:14] Adam: I don’t mind that at all.
[0:25:14 – 0:25:15] Erik: No, once you’re out there, we’re out there.
[0:25:16 – 0:25:18] Erik: When in Quetico, you use meters.
[0:25:18 – 0:25:19] Adam: And you just get used to it.
[0:25:19 – 0:25:20] Adam: Yeah, it’s not bad.
[0:25:21 – 0:25:25] Adam: I feel like their portage marking, like their distances given in meters are…
[0:25:26 – 0:25:27] Adam: Highly accurate, as with the rest.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:32] Adam: They’re always like, if it says it’s on the right side of the creek, it’s on the right side of the creek.
[0:25:32 – 0:25:37] Adam: If it says it’s 900 meters, it’s 900 meters, like give or take a meter.
[0:25:37 – 0:25:40] Erik: You look at the map right away and you’re like, man, that scale is just way too big.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:42] Erik: But then when you look closely…
[0:25:44 – 0:25:46] Erik: It shows what side of the river it’s on.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:48] Erik: Absolutely, and they’re right every time.
[0:25:48 – 0:25:50] Adam: Portage locations are actually very accurate.
[0:25:51 – 0:25:51] Adam: Always.
[0:25:51 – 0:25:52] Adam: They’re never off.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:52] Adam: No.
[0:25:53 – 0:25:53] Adam: Like this map.
[0:25:53 – 0:25:55] Erik: We’ve never found one to be off.
[0:25:55 – 0:25:55] Adam: No.
[0:25:55 – 0:25:58] Adam: So, I mean, how is that not the best map ever?
[0:25:58 – 0:26:05] Adam: I guess if I got to paddle, it’s only because I don’t get to paddle Quetico that often that it’s not my absolute favorite map.
[0:26:05 – 0:26:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:05 – 0:26:07] Adam: But it’s a very good map.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:08] Adam: Solid map.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:12] Adam: Just wanted to make sure we got to that before we moved into Nat Geos.
[0:26:12 – 0:26:17] Erik: The Nat Geo maps, I think, are along the same lines as the CRISMAR with the larger scale.
[0:26:17 – 0:26:19] Erik: You can navigate with them.
[0:26:19 – 0:26:26] Erik: There’s a lot of peripheral information on campgrounds, entry points, roads.
[0:26:27 – 0:26:29] Erik: There’s no PMAs.
[0:26:30 – 0:26:35] Adam: I’ve had to draw in the fire zones and PMAs onto my own map.
[0:26:35 – 0:26:38] Erik: Yeah, there’s no old historical fires listed.
[0:26:38 – 0:26:41] Adam: As you can see here, got the old PMA 8.
[0:26:41 – 0:26:46] Erik: It is, in my experience, I would say close to 90% accurate.
[0:26:46 – 0:26:51] Erik: I’ve found a few campsite locations to be wrong, especially in the Vento unit.
[0:26:51 – 0:26:56] Erik: I have found a few portage lengths to be questionable at best, borderline wrong.
[0:26:57 – 0:27:04] Erik: But it’s under 10% of the vast majority of listed things that are important.
[0:27:05 – 0:27:12] Erik: It is split up in two different maps, Boundary Waters East, Boundary Waters West.
[0:27:13 – 0:27:14] Adam: Yeah, I don’t think it’s any surprise.
[0:27:14 – 0:27:16] Adam: I don’t own the west version.
[0:27:16 – 0:27:19] Erik: I’ve got the west, but it’s very west.
[0:27:19 – 0:27:23] Erik: The east, it gets you almost to Ely on these maps, honestly.
[0:27:24 – 0:27:30] Adam: No, I mean, everything I’ve paddled, almost everything I’ve paddled in the Boundary Waters is on the east map.
[0:27:32 – 0:27:33] Adam: It’s a great value.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:34] Erik: So you’ve got your…
[0:27:34 – 0:27:58] Erik: you know your lake height your hills yeah i like the elevations this is a big thing we should get on to and i love this map for this yes is the elevations just of the lakes themselves like if you’re traveling in a chain of lakes are we going up are we going down if your portage is going to be up or down yeah that’s pretty nice look at the elevation of the two lakes that you’re
[0:27:58 – 0:28:24] Adam: going in between fisher does it pretty well mckenzie does it but it’s just way it’s much easier on the eye on that geo it’s just right there and their color scheme is more of like this they kind of included as we were talking about that plat book before like they have like little darker green areas for state land for some reason and yeah they you see that throughout the boundary if you ever do go and corroborate it with the plat book
[0:28:24 – 0:28:27] Adam: It is pretty closely aligned.
[0:28:27 – 0:28:28] Adam: They’ve done their research there.
[0:28:28 – 0:28:39] Adam: It’s more of like a beige, tan, grayish color of land, and then the same, maybe a little even lighter blue, light blue for the lakes.
[0:28:39 – 0:28:43] Adam: So it’s nice fonts, clearly marked.
[0:28:44 – 0:28:49] Erik: I don’t think we’ve said, but the National Geographic, the magazine…
[0:28:50 – 0:29:10] Adam: yes that is what we’re saying when we oh right nat geo my grandma used to get nat national geographic like she has subscription she had like um everyone like the full collection yeah and so i’d every time we’d be over there i’d be checking that magazine out yep i assume it’s still going it is
[0:29:11 – 0:29:14] Adam: But, yeah, they make maps, and they’ve done really nice.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:25] Adam: And, you know, especially if you’re just talking about the Boundary Waters, the BWCA, if I had to have just one map, I would take this one, obviously.
[0:29:25 – 0:29:29] Adam: It’s got all the key information you need and the most space.
[0:29:29 – 0:29:31] Adam: And I like that it’s just flipped over.
[0:29:31 – 0:29:32] Adam: Like, it covers a large amount of space.
[0:29:33 – 0:29:37] Adam: The one side is, like, the very eastern section, and then the backside is the other section.
[0:29:38 – 0:29:39] Adam: So there’s like no wasted space.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:43] Adam: You could literally travel all year on this one map.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:44] Adam: Yeah.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:45] Adam: And you’d make it.
[0:29:45 – 0:29:47] Adam: It’s surely… No wasted space.
[0:29:47 – 0:29:49] Adam: No, it’s really well put together.
[0:29:49 – 0:29:51] Adam: I love the Nat Geo.
[0:29:51 – 0:29:53] Erik: It doesn’t have quite as much information.
[0:29:53 – 0:29:56] Erik: The back of the Chris Marr is like half of a book.
[0:29:56 – 0:29:59] Adam: Well, this thing, I’ve got a lot of notes in this one, too.
[0:29:59 – 0:30:09] Adam: This one, if I were to try and put a value on this on Antiques Roadshow, this wouldn’t be uncategorized value to me personally.
[0:30:10 – 0:30:10] Adam: Sure.
[0:30:11 – 0:30:15] Adam: I have a lot more notes on here than I have managed to put up onto the big map.
[0:30:16 – 0:30:19] Adam: But this is where I keep my secrets, friends.
[0:30:20 – 0:30:21] Adam: You go ahead and keep your secrets.
[0:30:22 – 0:30:23] Adam: Don’t show too much of it.
[0:30:23 – 0:30:25] Adam: Well, I kind of paid a shirt on the video.
[0:30:26 – 0:30:29] Adam: Somebody’s going to find all my good Barry spots.
[0:30:30 – 0:30:33] Adam: So those are two great mid-ranges.
[0:30:34 – 0:30:35] Adam: Foldable maps.
[0:30:35 – 0:30:40] Adam: With these two, with the Chris Marr and the Nat Geo East, you can almost just paddle forever.
[0:30:41 – 0:31:02] Erik: yeah for sure they fit they fit in your pocket on your fall raven pants too real nice just feel good they do feel good they smell good they feel good they look amazing actually in my experience most of the time what i navigate with these are the maps i started a career not a career
[0:31:03 – 0:31:04] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:31:04 – 0:31:05] Adam: A legacy, more like.
[0:31:06 – 0:31:07] Adam: It’s more like that.
[0:31:07 – 0:31:12] Erik: A legacy of paddling in Quetico and the Boundary Waters with McKenzie maps.
[0:31:13 – 0:31:14] Erik: Believe it or not.
[0:31:15 – 0:31:16] Adam: That is a fun fact, Eric.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:18] Adam: I did not know that about you.
[0:31:18 – 0:31:21] Erik: My first trip up into Quetico, we literally had like a…
[0:31:22 – 0:31:35] Erik: damn filing cabinet of maps because we went with McKenzie’s because I thought the closer it was zoomed in the better but I have come to subsequently learn
[0:31:37 – 0:31:41] Erik: I prefer the scale, the accuracy, and the color of the fissures.
[0:31:42 – 0:31:44] Adam: I think it’s the color more importantly.
[0:31:45 – 0:31:47] Adam: I don’t mind the McKenzie’s so much.
[0:31:48 – 0:31:51] Adam: There’s a lot of good here, and I have one.
[0:31:52 – 0:31:54] Adam: I have one as well.
[0:31:54 – 0:31:59] Adam: I still bring them on trips into new terrain just as a reference and camp at night.
[0:32:01 – 0:32:04] Adam: I will not navigate off of McKenzie unless, like,
[0:32:05 – 0:32:09] Adam: Perhaps you’re on the Granite River going out of Gunflint.
[0:32:09 – 0:32:10] Adam: It’s all on one map.
[0:32:11 – 0:32:11] Adam: That’s nice.
[0:32:11 – 0:32:15] Erik: Yeah, we also used one on the Pigeon River slash Grand Portage.
[0:32:15 – 0:32:16] Adam: Yeah, we did.
[0:32:16 – 0:32:17] Adam: That was the only one they had.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:23] Adam: So there are certain maps where it’s the best one for that job, which is what we set at the top of 068.
[0:32:25 – 0:32:31] Adam: You want to just pick the right tool for the job, and McKenzie has a spot in the map quiver for sure.
[0:32:31 – 0:32:33] Adam: The one I have is for the Frost River.
[0:32:33 – 0:32:40] Adam: It has the entirety of the Frost River route on one map, but the Fisher pretty much does too in that instance.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:50] Adam: But for that trip, that was a big one that we were doing, and we just wanted to have a couple different looks at the same trip while we were doing that big new loop.
[0:32:50 – 0:32:56] Erik: I think the map scale on the McKenzie’s is the closest.
[0:32:56 – 0:33:00] Erik: It’s a 1 to 31,680.
[0:33:00 – 0:33:07] Erik: So that, based on my knowledge, would be one inch equals a half of a mile.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:10] Erik: Something like that.
[0:33:10 – 0:33:12] Erik: Because 63,360 is the one inch to one mile.
[0:33:12 – 0:33:13] Adam: That’s 31,000?
[0:33:13 – 0:33:13] Adam: 31,000.
[0:33:13 – 0:33:14] Adam: Yeah, it’s the most.
[0:33:15 – 0:33:16] Adam: It’s almost exactly half.
[0:33:16 – 0:33:19] Adam: It’s the most zoomed in you can get.
[0:33:19 – 0:33:23] Erik: Which in my, I think it’s more than enough.
[0:33:24 – 0:33:26] Adam: It’s plenty of information.
[0:33:26 – 0:33:27] Erik: It’s too much.
[0:33:27 – 0:33:28] Erik: It’s too much information.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:29] Erik: I think it’s too zoomed in.
[0:33:29 – 0:33:30] Adam: Well, yeah, it is.
[0:33:30 – 0:33:33] Erik: Especially if you’re doing a big route where you have.
[0:33:33 – 0:33:35] Adam: You have to have like six different maps.
[0:33:35 – 0:33:35] Erik: It’s crazy.
[0:33:35 – 0:33:43] Erik: Like I literally had, it was like a thick, like a one inch thick pile of maps to do because we were up in Quetico for a month.
[0:33:44 – 0:33:44] Adam: Right.
[0:33:44 – 0:33:47] Adam: Yeah, you took McKenzie’s on your first Quetico trip.
[0:33:47 – 0:33:47] Adam: That’s right.
[0:33:48 – 0:33:48] Adam: That’s crazy.
[0:33:48 – 0:33:52] Erik: There were some days where I was like, we went across three maps.
[0:33:53 – 0:33:54] Erik: It’s like, this is insane.
[0:33:54 – 0:33:55] Erik: I don’t need this much information.
[0:33:55 – 0:33:56] Adam: Yeah, but you just…
[0:33:57 – 0:33:59] Adam: So which one do you have here as your example?
[0:33:59 – 0:34:01] Adam: I brought number seven, Tuscarora.
[0:34:02 – 0:34:03] Adam: This is a great map.
[0:34:03 – 0:34:05] Erik: I have 118, Disappointment Lake.
[0:34:05 – 0:34:08] Adam: Can we just break one of these open?
[0:34:09 – 0:34:18] Adam: This one’s got a little sag, too, and I actually didn’t bring this on our little sag trip in June, but this is just a great section.
[0:34:18 – 0:34:24] Adam: It’s got the entirety of the Frost River loop on it, which is a sweet loop.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:26] Adam: If you’ve not done it, get yourself to Bologna.
[0:34:26 – 0:34:28] Erik: Well, that’s the other thing that should be mentioned.
[0:34:29 – 0:34:40] Erik: I mean, depending on what you’re doing, the scale, like for the Frost River, it might actually make sense to take a McKenzie because you’re going to be on waters that are small and curly.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:42] Erik: You’re going to need all that detail.
[0:34:42 – 0:34:46] Adam: And, like, I was counting portages, you know, and, like, beaver dams, and where do you think we are?
[0:34:46 – 0:34:49] Adam: You’re always trying to, like, take stock of where you’re at.
[0:34:49 – 0:34:50] Adam: I like this one, too.
[0:34:50 – 0:34:52] Adam: It’s got Din Din and Sora.
[0:34:52 – 0:34:53] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:53 – 0:34:58] Adam: So it’s got that whole, which I should have notes on there as to where those portages are.
[0:34:58 – 0:34:59] Adam: I have not updated this one.
[0:35:00 – 0:35:12] Erik: But then also along those same lines, based on how the map companies, where they break up the maps, that makes sense too.
[0:35:13 – 0:35:21] Erik: At Clearwater, it makes sense for us to send out fishers because the entire Vento unit slash main Clearwater loop is on one map.
[0:35:22 – 0:35:22] Adam: Exactly.
[0:35:22 – 0:35:23] Adam: We will get to that map.
[0:35:23 – 0:35:25] Erik: Versus sending out two McKenzie’s.
[0:35:25 – 0:35:31] Adam: Yeah, no, I mean, a lot of it, especially, yeah, if somebody’s just coming up for that trip, well, this one makes the most sense.
[0:35:31 – 0:35:33] Adam: You only have to buy one as opposed to two.
[0:35:33 – 0:35:35] Erik: As opposed to two, exactly.
[0:35:35 – 0:35:39] Adam: But a lot of times, I mean, what’s the cost of a map, though?
[0:35:40 – 0:35:42] Adam: So you’re doing the Frost River for the first time.
[0:35:42 – 0:35:42] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:35:42 – 0:35:44] Adam: It’s nice to pick up number seven.
[0:35:45 – 0:35:47] Adam: It’s a cool map to have.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:48] Adam: I don’t take it out a lot.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:50] Adam: So it’s kind of fun to look at it.
[0:35:50 – 0:35:54] Adam: To the north side, you get almost all of Seagull on there, too.
[0:35:54 – 0:35:55] Erik: Most of Seagull.
[0:35:59 – 0:36:08] Adam: No, it doesn’t quite take you west enough to get to Knife, but there’s a lot of fun to be had on number seven here from McKenzie, so…
[0:36:09 – 0:36:12] Adam: That said, though, yeah, I agree with Eric.
[0:36:13 – 0:36:23] Adam: I just prefer the look, and I tend to use fishers if I’m going to bring a zoomed-in map, which is, at this point, only for new waters.
[0:36:23 – 0:36:30] Adam: If I’m going anywhere I’ve already been, I will only bring the Nat Geo and probably won’t even really look at it while we’re moving.
[0:36:32 – 0:36:36] Adam: It’s more of a, like, if you’re on a route you’ve done before, I mean, how often are you really looking at the map?
[0:36:38 – 0:36:40] Adam: I mean, I have it with me.
[0:36:40 – 0:36:43] Adam: It’s in my pocket, but it’s not like I have a map out at all times even.
[0:36:44 – 0:36:47] Adam: If I’m on familiar water, I’ll always have one with me.
[0:36:48 – 0:36:49] Adam: It’s fun to have one with you.
[0:36:51 – 0:37:02] Adam: But it’s more of like I really stare at a map a long time before the trip, and then while we’re in camp, I’ll kind of consult what we’ve done that day and then what we’re going to look at for tomorrow, right?
[0:37:02 – 0:37:03] Erik: Right.
[0:37:03 – 0:37:03] Erik: Right.
[0:37:05 – 0:37:13] Erik: And I do find that McKenzie maps have the most inaccuracies when it comes to campsite locations.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:19] Erik: I can think of three or four right now just off the top of my head that are wrong.
[0:37:19 – 0:37:20] Adam: Okay.
[0:37:21 – 0:37:28] Adam: And the egregious not marking of the Partridge Falls on the Grand Portage trip.
[0:37:28 – 0:37:30] Adam: You kill somebody going over that.
[0:37:31 – 0:37:37] Adam: I know it says be wary around the falls, but I don’t understand why they just don’t mark that.
[0:37:38 – 0:37:39] Adam: It’s obviously a portage.
[0:37:39 – 0:38:01] Adam: yeah uh it seems kind of nuts but whatever i think anybody that’s doing the grand portage route will have like researched that enough um to know and obviously it was like well marked by tape on the shore but yes nobody’s gonna miss it exorbitant yeah you’d have to be a crazy buffoon to miss that portage but still it should be marked
[0:38:02 – 0:38:03] Adam: So whatever, though.
[0:38:03 – 0:38:08] Adam: I mean, McKenzie’s are pretty nice, but they do not win our endorsement for map of the year ever.
[0:38:08 – 0:38:14] Erik: I think my endorsement is, if you haven’t figured it out, going to W.A.
[0:38:14 – 0:38:14] Erik: Fisher.
[0:38:14 – 0:38:15] Erik: Fisher, baby.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:28] Erik: The beautiful yellow and blue maps I find to be the most accurate, the most pleasing to my eye for multiple reasons, color, scale, accuracy.
[0:38:28 – 0:38:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:29 – 0:38:31] Adam: I like how the yellow changes over the times.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:37] Adam: Like you can see if you’re watching the video, this is a well-loved and, uh, Oh, don’t look at those notes.
[0:38:38 – 0:38:40] Adam: That one was older and this one’s like brand new.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:49] Adam: Um, so you can tell like over the years, they, uh, they, they really hold up well though, uh, to being brought out camping.
[0:38:49 – 0:38:51] Adam: They, they hold up very nicely.
[0:38:51 – 0:38:58] Adam: And then on the back, they have a little, like a big overview map and that shows you what number you’re looking on, which is easy to see.
[0:38:58 – 0:39:06] Erik: I think that would be my only real complaint about the fishers is they really don’t take much advantage of the back of the map.
[0:39:06 – 0:39:08] Erik: There’s not really anything on there.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:16] Adam: No, I mean, they give you the overview map and there’s some like leave no trace ethics that you should know already anyways, but that’s whatever.
[0:39:16 – 0:39:18] Erik: The same information that comes printed on your permit.
[0:39:19 – 0:39:44] Adam: basically i like their logo their logo is sweet their logo is amazing they’re out of virginia minnesota they’re like right there um we should go like i would love to go tour their um plant sometime do you think they have a plant or it’s literally literally just like a one room office no i mean they just like they print the maps right there you think they do yeah man i’d love to see that like it’d be like an episode of mr rogers just go see how the how the fishers are made
[0:39:45 – 0:39:47] Adam: That’ll be part three, like in season three.
[0:39:47 – 0:39:49] Adam: We’ll have maps part three.
[0:39:51 – 0:39:56] Adam: Can we make a note of that to email ourselves next year and remind you?
[0:39:56 – 0:40:02] Adam: You should call up WA and Fisher and request a tour of the map company.
[0:40:04 – 0:40:10] Adam: And then, the paper goes through the press, and they print the portages.
[0:40:11 – 0:40:13] Erik: Mr. Rogers talks about pets.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:18] Adam: Yeah, I mean, it’s the right scale.
[0:40:21 – 0:40:23] Adam: They’re nice to look at, friends.
[0:40:25 – 0:40:25] Adam: And, uh…
[0:40:27 – 0:40:30] Adam: Their campsites are usually pretty close.
[0:40:31 – 0:40:34] Adam: Their portages can often be off.
[0:40:34 – 0:40:35] Adam: A little off.
[0:40:35 – 0:40:39] Adam: On their distances, but for the most part, they get it right.
[0:40:39 – 0:40:43] Adam: If it’s a short, medium, or long portage, that’s all you really need to know, right?
[0:40:43 – 0:40:49] Adam: I mean, we’ve got to do a whole other episode just on the Danielson scale someday.
[0:40:49 – 0:40:50] Erik: Ah, yes.
[0:40:50 – 0:40:52] Erik: Red, yellow, green.
[0:40:52 – 0:40:54] Adam: We worked this all out on the Laos River.
[0:40:54 – 0:40:55] Erik: We did.
[0:40:56 – 0:41:06] Erik: So my go-to map, your go-to map in the park, in the field, on the water is a WA Fisher.
[0:41:06 – 0:41:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:07 – 0:41:09] Erik: With an auxiliary Nat Geo.
[0:41:09 – 0:41:14] Adam: If I’m going somewhere new, yeah, I’ve got the Fishers with me for sure.
[0:41:14 – 0:41:18] Adam: And then I will kind of consult the Nat Geo in camp that night.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:19] Adam: If I’m going somewhere familiar…
[0:41:20 – 0:41:22] Adam: I will often only bring the Nat Geo.
[0:41:22 – 0:41:26] Adam: And for Quetico, I would recommend you only really need the Crismar.
[0:41:26 – 0:41:27] Adam: But let’s be honest.
[0:41:28 – 0:41:30] Adam: If you’re making a Quetico trip, let’s have an event, folks.
[0:41:31 – 0:41:32] Adam: Just get the Fisher 2 for it.
[0:41:33 – 0:41:34] Erik: Yeah, but the Fisher…
[0:41:35 – 0:41:38] Adam: They do mark the campsites, but they’re often wrong in Quetico.
[0:41:38 – 0:41:44] Erik: The Fisher falls apart dramatically in accuracy in campsites in Quetico.
[0:41:45 – 0:41:46] Adam: Well, that’s fine, though.
[0:41:46 – 0:41:48] Adam: You can just kind of…
[0:41:48 – 0:41:50] Adam: The campsites are all in very obvious spots in Quetico.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:55] Adam: Yeah, so… You don’t really need that, so just take it with a grain of salt, but…
[0:41:56 – 0:41:57] Adam: Fishers of the bomb.
[0:41:58 – 0:42:03] Adam: In my personal quiver, I’ve just brought the entire stack of fishers I’m currently rostering.
[0:42:04 – 0:42:07] Adam: I have the F12, which is Little Sag, Tuscarora.
[0:42:08 – 0:42:10] Adam: This one has the Frost River Loop as well.
[0:42:12 – 0:42:18] Adam: And my old, old trusty… What the heck’s the number on this one?
[0:42:18 – 0:42:18] Adam: The F13…
[0:42:20 – 0:42:28] Adam: F13 is an important map to have if you’re ever going to find yourself working at Trail Center or anywhere on the Gunpoint Trail.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:29] Adam: You’re going to want to have one of those.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:35] Adam: And then, of course, the finest map ever made.
[0:42:35 – 0:42:35] Adam: F14.
[0:42:36 – 0:42:37] Erik: It’s the F14 map.
[0:42:39 – 0:42:41] Erik: F-14 by W.A.
[0:42:41 – 0:42:43] Erik: Fisher is the greatest map.
[0:42:43 – 0:42:45] Adam: I have a story to tell about the F-14.
[0:42:46 – 0:42:51] Adam: I also just have a backup F-13 and F-14 for really no reason.
[0:42:54 – 0:43:18] Adam: um can i take a small tangent on f14 uh do you have anything else to offer on before we get off of like the oh yeah talk about that so let’s come back to the f14 for the side tangent because we’re still in map mode right now this is i have 26 comments on reddit keep that in mind yeah i will keep it brief they do seem like they’re mostly short i’m not saying don’t like no i i understand i
[0:43:19 – 0:43:22] Adam: Yeah, let’s… What do you got there?
[0:43:22 – 0:43:25] Adam: That was the first time I’ve ever actually held one in my hands.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:28] Adam: I’ve not actually touched one before.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:30] Adam: It really feels nice.
[0:43:31 – 0:43:32] Erik: Yes, they do feel very nice.
[0:43:32 – 0:43:34] Erik: This is a one to…
[0:43:37 – 0:43:39] Erik: 42,240.
[0:43:39 – 0:43:41] Erik: That’s a good scale.
[0:43:41 – 0:43:43] Adam: That’s a good scale.
[0:43:43 – 0:43:45] Adam: I’m really glad we figured out how scales work.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:48] Erik: If anything else… 63,360.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:50] Erik: I will always remember that number.
[0:43:51 – 0:43:57] Adam: I can’t tell you how many feet are in a mile, but I will definitely be able to tell you how one mile equals one inch.
[0:43:57 – 0:44:09] Erik: I mean, I think if you’re watching on YouTube anytime this season, you will know this map company because it’s the sticker on the back of my computer here.
[0:44:10 – 0:44:10] Erik: Oh.
[0:44:10 – 0:44:17] Erik: The newest contributors to the map game, True North Map Company.
[0:44:17 – 0:44:19] Erik: Taking it to a new level.
[0:44:19 – 0:44:30] Erik: They are doing it right in terms of accuracy and reaching out to outfitters and people who know the area.
[0:44:31 – 0:44:38] Erik: And they’re printing it on these amazing, stretchy, waterproof…
[0:44:38 – 0:44:40] Erik: I haven’t had anybody actually…
[0:44:40 – 0:44:41] Erik: They’re waterproof?
[0:44:42 – 0:44:44] Adam: Well, I mean, it’s… Like, it’s watery.
[0:44:44 – 0:44:44] Adam: It’s repellent.
[0:44:44 – 0:44:48] Erik: It’s waterproof, like it’s going to keep water off of it, but it’s not going to, like…
[0:44:50 – 0:44:51] Erik: The ink’s not going to go anywhere.
[0:44:52 – 0:45:04] Erik: I don’t have anybody who’s had one out in the field for multiple years to see how they hold up because they’ve just basically only been around for this one season.
[0:45:06 – 0:45:14] Erik: But they basically are Bon Jovi’s maps printed on fabric.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:17] Erik: And it’s like the size of a bandana.
[0:45:19 – 0:45:22] Erik: It is a bandana.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:23] Adam: Yeah, it’s a bandana.
[0:45:23 – 0:45:24] Adam: You can wear that as a…
[0:45:24 – 0:45:26] Erik: I think it’s got a good color scheme.
[0:45:26 – 0:45:27] Erik: I like it.
[0:45:27 – 0:45:29] Erik: I think I like it way more than McKenzie’s color scheme.
[0:45:30 – 0:45:34] Erik: It doesn’t have that fissure, and nobody’s ever going to beat that yellow and blue, if you ask me.
[0:45:34 – 0:45:39] Adam: Well, yeah, and you don’t want to be a copycat either, so you’ve got to come up with something better.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:40] Adam: You’ve got to come up with something.
[0:45:40 – 0:45:42] Adam: And that is actually green is the land and blue is the lake.
[0:45:42 – 0:45:44] Adam: That’s how it really is.
[0:45:44 – 0:45:45] Adam: It’s got the topo.
[0:45:45 – 0:45:47] Adam: Yeah, it’s more of the Nat Geo look.
[0:45:47 – 0:45:49] Erik: It’s got the trails.
[0:45:49 – 0:45:50] Erik: It’s got the portages.
[0:45:50 – 0:45:51] Erik: It’s got the campsites.
[0:45:51 – 0:46:00] Erik: And the people that run this company reached out to me and sent me preliminary maps of what they were planning on printing.
[0:46:00 – 0:46:02] Erik: And I told them, this is wrong.
[0:46:02 – 0:46:02] Erik: This is right.
[0:46:02 – 0:46:03] Erik: This is wrong.
[0:46:03 – 0:46:04] Erik: Move this campsite.
[0:46:05 – 0:46:05] Erik: Right on.
[0:46:05 – 0:46:06] Erik: This portage is a little bit…
[0:46:06 – 0:46:14] Erik: So, in terms of accuracy and who’s actually putting together… Bye, video…
[0:46:14 – 0:46:15] Adam: Well, we got to show all the maps.
[0:46:16 – 0:46:17] Adam: Yeah, all the maps are out there.
[0:46:17 – 0:46:19] Erik: Screw that Garmin or GoPro or whatever.
[0:46:22 – 0:46:28] Erik: So they have their fingers on the pulse of accuracy with the people who would know what’s accurate.
[0:46:28 – 0:46:35] Erik: So this last winter, they sent me and I’m sure other outfitters emails about this is what we’re about to print.
[0:46:35 – 0:46:36] Erik: Do you have any corrections?
[0:46:37 – 0:46:43] Erik: And so if you’re looking for accuracy, I would, based on the experience I have had with them,
[0:46:44 – 0:46:52] Erik: be led to believe that the true north map accuracy is probably about 100% because they’re asking people who would know.
[0:46:53 – 0:46:55] Erik: They’re not going on like historical…
[0:46:57 – 0:47:19] Erik: you know i’ve always wondered how they like determine portage lengths too well those are yeah i don’t know such a some of those are way off wild variables some of them with the gps and it’s like okay so the 480 rad portage from missing link to tuscarora is actually like just a little over a mile yeah that’s way off yeah like i don’t know how they figuring that out but
[0:47:20 – 0:47:23] Adam: Well, it’s nice to know they’re reaching out and they look, they feel nice.
[0:47:23 – 0:47:24] Adam: They look nice.
[0:47:24 – 0:47:25] Erik: They feel nice.
[0:47:25 – 0:47:25] Erik: They look nice.
[0:47:25 – 0:47:26] Erik: And then accuracy.
[0:47:27 – 0:47:28] Erik: I think they got it all going.
[0:47:29 – 0:47:32] Erik: It’s just, I’m super used to using the fishers.
[0:47:33 – 0:47:33] Adam: Yeah, sure.
[0:47:33 – 0:47:35] Adam: And like, I don’t know.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:38] Adam: I like how these maps feel after 10 years in the field.
[0:47:38 – 0:47:41] Adam: Like how’s that going to hold up to 10 years in the field?
[0:47:42 – 0:47:43] Adam: It looks like it’s high quality.
[0:47:43 – 0:47:45] Adam: Like I don’t see how that’s rubbing off.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:46] Adam: It’s like in the fabric.
[0:47:46 – 0:47:47] Adam: How did they do it?
[0:47:47 – 0:47:49] Adam: We’ve got to take a tour of that.
[0:47:50 – 0:47:50] Erik: Right.
[0:47:50 – 0:47:53] Adam: I want to see how those are made.
[0:47:53 – 0:47:55] Adam: That’ll be season three or four.
[0:47:55 – 0:47:58] Adam: We’ll take a tour of a map company.
[0:47:58 – 0:48:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:01 – 0:48:09] Adam: Yeah, so that’s… Yeah.
[0:48:10 – 0:48:12] Adam: We’ll finish the show with Mr. Rogers.
[0:48:13 – 0:48:18] Adam: I had a little bit more I wanted to talk about F-14, which is the home waters, really.
[0:48:18 – 0:48:19] Adam: Home map.
[0:48:20 – 0:48:22] Adam: I don’t live on the trail anymore.
[0:48:22 – 0:48:31] Adam: I don’t get to paddle Clearwater as much as I would like to, but I still consider it my home map.
[0:48:33 – 0:48:34] Adam: We’re off the camera.
[0:48:35 – 0:48:36] Erik: We can do whatever we want now, too.
[0:48:36 – 0:48:38] Adam: Okay, so I can let my hair down finally?
[0:48:38 – 0:48:39] Adam: Take that shirt off.
[0:48:40 – 0:48:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:40 – 0:48:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:43 – 0:48:44] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:48:44 – 0:48:48] Adam: I hope they could tell on the video that Natalie did my hair really nice for me.
[0:48:48 – 0:48:49] Adam: Yeah, she sprayed it up.
[0:48:50 – 0:48:52] Erik: As soon as she sprayed you down, she’s like, it’s going to itch.
[0:48:52 – 0:48:53] Adam: Yeah, she goes, all right.
[0:48:53 – 0:48:55] Adam: It never did itch, by the way.
[0:48:56 – 0:48:59] Adam: But maybe not enough spray.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:13] Adam: So, I think I’ve mentioned, I know I’ve mentioned before, Tumble Home, the board game, and how it was going to be some sort of hybrid of Ticket to Ride and Carcassonne.
[0:49:14 – 0:49:16] Adam: My two favorite games.
[0:49:16 – 0:49:17] Adam: Yes?
[0:49:17 – 0:49:18] Adam: I think we’ve talked about this.
[0:49:18 – 0:49:19] Erik: Yeah, many times.
[0:49:20 – 0:49:31] Adam: Okay, so I’ve decided over time, and this is going to be like a project over the winter, like this is going to be a thing, listeners, and once we get it, it’s going to be amazing.
[0:49:32 – 0:49:40] Adam: Tumble Home, the board game, I have determined is going to be closer to Carcassonne, but we’ll have elements of Ticket to Ride in it as well.
[0:49:41 – 0:49:41] Adam: Hybrid.
[0:49:42 – 0:49:45] Adam: Carcassonne has 72 tiles in the base edition.
[0:49:46 – 0:49:47] Adam: There’s, of course, expansions.
[0:49:48 – 0:50:12] Adam: so anyway just to get an idea of like where to start because this is all gonna have to end up being hand drawn i just i took an f14 out i gridded it well it comes pre-gridded they have their like one mile grid basically yeah so i just gridded out an f14 uh what would you guess would be the number of tiles on f14 they’re all water
[0:50:13 – 0:50:17] Erik: Oh, just all water on an F-14?
[0:50:17 – 0:50:17] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:50:17 – 0:50:18] Erik: Five?
[0:50:18 – 0:50:18] Erik: Wow!
[0:50:19 – 0:50:19] Adam: It is.
[0:50:19 – 0:50:20] Adam: It’s five.
[0:50:20 – 0:50:21] Adam: Did you look at my notes?
[0:50:21 – 0:50:22] Adam: No.
[0:50:22 – 0:50:23] Adam: You son of a bitch.
[0:50:24 – 0:50:24] Adam: I did not.
[0:50:24 – 0:50:25] Adam: You looked at my notes.
[0:50:26 – 0:50:28] Adam: I’ll just quick run through, and that’s all I wanted to say.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:31] Erik: I made up for my wildly overestimate for mileage.
[0:50:31 – 0:50:32] Erik: Yeah, you nailed it.
[0:50:33 – 0:50:35] Adam: All right, so this is an F-14 broken into grids.
[0:50:36 – 0:50:37] Adam: All land is 35 tiles.
[0:50:37 – 0:50:38] Adam: Okay.
[0:50:39 – 0:50:40] Adam: Some water is 35 tiles.
[0:50:40 – 0:50:40] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:50:42 – 0:50:45] Adam: Lots of water is 55 tiles.
[0:50:45 – 0:50:46] Adam: Lots of water.
[0:50:46 – 0:50:48] Adam: And all water is 5.
[0:50:48 – 0:50:53] Adam: And then I also scored 10 of the tiles as river, which there’s not a lot of.
[0:50:53 – 0:50:53] Erik: That’s just F14.
[0:50:53 – 0:50:54] Adam: That’s just F14.
[0:50:54 – 0:50:56] Adam: There’s not a lot of river on F14, obviously.
[0:50:56 – 0:50:58] Adam: That’s big lake country.
[0:50:58 – 0:51:03] Adam: But I still gave away 10 rivers, and a lot of that was the crocodile river.
[0:51:03 – 0:51:08] Erik: I mean, you’ve got me very excited for this potential game.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:14] Adam: Well, I want it to be accurate, but I also want this game to be based on the home waters, which is F-14.
[0:51:15 – 0:51:23] Adam: This is the perfect episode to discuss this because we brought it up, but I’ve never really been able to get into the fine detail of the trip planning for this game.
[0:51:23 – 0:51:26] Adam: You know what I’m saying.
[0:51:27 – 0:51:30] Adam: I just want people to know I’m still working on the game.
[0:51:31 – 0:51:32] Erik: We are planning on…
[0:51:32 – 0:51:37] Erik: I mean, we promised, I think, by next season, a board game.
[0:51:37 – 0:51:39] Adam: Oh, it’s still in the works.
[0:51:39 – 0:51:40] Adam: I also would like to…
[0:51:41 – 0:51:46] Adam: So this is obviously, at this point, way more than 72 tiles, which is what the base Carcassonne set is.
[0:51:46 – 0:51:49] Erik: I feel like the Carcassonne, there’s not enough.
[0:51:49 – 0:51:51] Adam: Yeah, well, there could be more.
[0:51:51 – 0:51:59] Adam: So I was thinking, like, we try and use these ratios, like, of, you know, land versus water versus lots of water, and then try and, like, get it to, like, 100.
[0:51:59 – 0:52:03] Adam: Because, I mean, these are all going to have to be hand-drawn, basically, and fit together.
[0:52:03 – 0:52:07] Erik: The key is to make it so that it makes sense for two people.
[0:52:08 – 0:52:09] Erik: Or four or five.
[0:52:09 – 0:52:13] Adam: Well, I think these ratios are correct, you know, and they would make for a fun gameplay.
[0:52:13 – 0:52:17] Erik: Because like two people is, I think Carcassonne is set up perfectly for two.
[0:52:17 – 0:52:20] Erik: But when you play with like four or five people, it doesn’t seem like it.
[0:52:23 – 0:52:27] Erik: It doesn’t seem like there’s enough cards, little squares.
[0:52:27 – 0:52:29] Adam: Yeah, and I want to have a good variety.
[0:52:29 – 0:52:33] Adam: I also want to include some wild card tiles, like Secret Waterfalls.
[0:52:34 – 0:52:34] Erik: Yes.
[0:52:34 – 0:52:38] Adam: Or like Bostrom’s Trapline could be a tile.
[0:52:38 – 0:52:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:52:38 – 0:52:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:52:39 – 0:52:44] Adam: And then like pictographs, you could have a pictograph tile, which would be worth extra points.
[0:52:44 – 0:52:46] Adam: Most of the points would be for like completing a lake.
[0:52:47 – 0:52:54] Adam: So like in Carcassonne, you’re trying to complete roads and cities, but in Tumblehome, you’re going to be completing lakes and portages.
[0:52:54 – 0:52:54] Adam: Yes.
[0:52:54 – 0:52:55] Adam: This is your points.
[0:52:55 – 0:53:01] Adam: And then also for like occupied campsites that you’ve camped in, you leave your meeple in the campsite.
[0:53:01 – 0:53:01] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:02 – 0:53:06] Adam: Yeah, clearly we’re just straight up ripping off Carcassonne, but we’re going to have our own wrinkle on it.
[0:53:06 – 0:53:07] Erik: There’s a lot there.
[0:53:07 – 0:53:08] Adam: It’s going to be hand-drawn.
[0:53:08 – 0:53:09] Adam: I just love the game.
[0:53:09 – 0:53:12] Erik: Expansion pack, you could do different seasons.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:13] Adam: Exactly.
[0:53:13 – 0:53:14] Adam: It’s easier in the summer.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:16] Adam: I’ve been putting a lot of thought into it.
[0:53:16 – 0:53:25] Adam: I just think if we’re going to make a board game based on the park, that this is the way that, to me at least, makes the most sense and would be the most fun.
[0:53:26 – 0:53:30] Adam: I just wanted to give an update on the game progress and…
[0:53:32 – 0:53:35] Adam: It’s based on F-14, like on the math of F-14.
[0:53:35 – 0:53:36] Adam: And I’m not strong at math.
[0:53:37 – 0:53:39] Adam: I’m about as good at math as I am at skiing.
[0:53:39 – 0:53:40] Adam: And I’m not good.
[0:53:41 – 0:53:45] Adam: And I like the amount of water to land in F-14 is what I’m saying.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:49] Adam: So that’s a good, you know, in every game, you’re building your own Boundary Waters Park.
[0:53:50 – 0:53:50] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:50 – 0:53:51] Adam: It’ll be fun.
[0:53:51 – 0:53:55] Erik: And it could be a huge, like, you know, carcass zone.
[0:53:56 – 0:54:01] Erik: It could be a massive sprawling city, or it could just be like two tiles to make a little pond.
[0:54:01 – 0:54:03] Adam: Yeah, you never know how it’s going to look.
[0:54:03 – 0:54:08] Adam: So we’ll have more updates on the game in the future.
[0:54:08 – 0:54:16] Adam: But since we’re talking maps, and I had gridded out at 14 that way as a basis of research, I just wanted to make sure I got a good mention in there.
[0:54:17 – 0:54:24] Adam: All right, well, enough about what we think on maps and what interests us in maps.
[0:54:25 – 0:54:32] Adam: Obviously, it’s something that very much interests us, and we could talk about it for literally forever, weeks and weeks.
[0:54:32 – 0:54:34] Adam: We could have 10 parts on maps.
[0:54:34 – 0:54:40] Erik: Welcome to Tumble Home, a maps podcast, episode 100.
[0:54:40 – 0:54:45] Adam: Yeah, we’re starting our own map podcast after this series is over, but…
[0:54:46 – 0:54:50] Erik: Yeah, we threw the question out on RBWCA.
[0:54:50 – 0:54:55] Erik: It is the most commented on question we’ve ever had.
[0:54:56 – 0:54:57] Erik: And it’s only been up for a few days.
[0:54:58 – 0:55:00] Erik: And we’re going to go ahead and read them now.
[0:55:00 – 0:55:02] Erik: I hope we don’t miss out on other comments.
[0:55:02 – 0:55:08] Adam: Well, we’ll probably have extra comments later and we’ll get those in a part three, which is coming out.
[0:55:08 – 0:55:11] Adam: These are coming out back to back as episode 068 and 069.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:16] Erik: Nice.
[0:55:17 – 0:55:17] Erik: There it is.
[0:55:18 – 0:55:21] Erik: It only took us 55 minutes to make a stupid 69 joke.
[0:55:22 – 0:55:23] Erik: All right.
[0:55:23 – 0:55:25] Erik: I don’t know what you’re talking about.
[0:55:25 – 0:55:25] Adam: I have no idea.
[0:55:27 – 0:55:28] Erik: Let’s do it.
[0:55:28 – 0:55:29] Erik: All right.
[0:55:29 – 0:55:37] Erik: RBWCA, the beautiful folks on that favorite subreddit.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:38] Adam: Oh, mine.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:40] Adam: Yeah, we’re running in dark mode, of course.
[0:55:41 – 0:55:41] Erik: Dark mode.
[0:55:42 – 0:55:44] Adam: This is from Total Bogey.
[0:55:44 – 0:55:45] Erik: Six points.
[0:55:48 – 0:55:56] Erik: I downloaded the Portage and Camp GIS data from our, not our, just bwca.com.
[0:55:57 – 0:56:01] Erik: And now every trip I make custom maps for the crew.
[0:56:01 – 0:56:01] Erik: Whoa.
[0:56:02 – 0:56:03] Erik: This is next level.
[0:56:03 – 0:56:05] Erik: Next level.
[0:56:05 – 0:56:09] Erik: I make print copies, but also a PDF for everyone to put on their phone.
[0:56:10 – 0:56:17] Erik: We also bring a compass too, but I don’t think we’ve ever actually used it in all our summers until this summer.
[0:56:18 – 0:56:18] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:20 – 0:56:20] Adam: Wow.
[0:56:20 – 0:56:21] Adam: Makes his own maps.
[0:56:21 – 0:56:23] Erik: That’s even like, that’s beyond.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:23] Erik: Wow.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:24] Erik: I didn’t even think of that.
[0:56:25 – 0:56:27] Erik: He goes on, or she, total bogey.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:31] Erik: Quick story about why we should have used the compass.
[0:56:32 – 0:56:40] Erik: Last year, one of my mates bought a big, fancy, professional map and wanted to play Navigator.
[0:56:41 – 0:56:42] Erik: We launched on Brule.
[0:56:42 – 0:56:51] Erik: He immediately, quote unquote, guides us in a southwesterly direction and go as far as we can.
[0:56:51 – 0:56:51] Erik: Yes.
[0:56:52 – 0:57:00] Erik: All the way through that little narrow and eventually the bay at the southern most part of Brule.
[0:57:00 – 0:57:01] Erik: Is he talking about Jockmock?
[0:57:01 – 0:57:02] Erik: I think they’re down in Jockmock Bay.
[0:57:03 – 0:57:03] Erik: Okay.
[0:57:03 – 0:57:04] Erik: Let’s consult the map.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:07] Erik: Not even close to the big main water.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:14] Erik: This diversion added almost two miles to the already long paddle to the South Temperance Portage.
[0:57:14 – 0:57:16] Erik: Yeah, they’re trying to go all the way down.
[0:57:17 – 0:57:22] Erik: I was in the other canoe and couldn’t be bothered to pull my map or phone out of the bag.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:26] Erik: I just kept reassuring my partner and self.
[0:57:27 – 0:57:33] Erik: That Brule was just about to open up and we could just use the southern shore as our guide.
[0:57:33 – 0:57:41] Erik: Moral of the story, if you can’t read a map well enough to recognize landmarks, use a compass.
[0:57:41 – 0:57:42] Erik: Huh.
[0:57:43 – 0:57:44] Erik: Very nice.
[0:57:44 – 0:57:45] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:57:45 – 0:57:48] Adam: I have a compass, and I also don’t really use it.
[0:57:50 – 0:57:51] Adam: More if, like, you’re walking around in the woods.
[0:57:52 – 0:57:56] Adam: I mean, for lake navigation, unless you’re trying to cross Cache Bay for the first time.
[0:57:56 – 0:57:57] Adam: First time, yeah.
[0:57:58 – 0:57:59] Adam: You want to get your bearing.
[0:57:59 – 0:58:01] Erik: That little slit on the top.
[0:58:01 – 0:58:01] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:04 – 0:58:04] Adam: All right.
[0:58:05 – 0:58:07] Adam: I’m going to have to pull this down.
[0:58:07 – 0:58:07] Erik: Pull it down.
[0:58:11 – 0:58:33] Adam: working in a coal mine four points mckenzie maps and a compass are all i’ve ever needed all right four points you want me to take i’ll take two take two take two there’s uh yeah and you probably have never been lost those are like zoomed in those big maps like that with a compass yeah how could you get lost
[0:58:36 – 0:58:37] Adam: Time lapse, chef, four points.
[0:58:38 – 0:58:42] Adam: I’ve never needed anything more than the paper maps from the outfitters and a compass.
[0:58:43 – 0:58:46] Adam: Always take one more map than you need and keep them in a Ziploc bag.
[0:58:46 – 0:58:47] Adam: Oh, that’s a good point.
[0:58:48 – 0:58:53] Adam: Digital maps can make plotting routes easier, and they have far more info about portage grades, etc.
[0:58:54 – 0:59:03] Adam: But part of the thrill of the boundary letters for me is, one, unplugging, being away from digital devices except for my camera, and two, exploring.
[0:59:03 – 0:59:07] Adam: I don’t know what the next lake or campsite will look like, and that’s part of the adventure.
[0:59:07 – 0:59:08] Adam: Hey, hey, huzzah.
[0:59:09 – 0:59:14] Adam: Yeah, we did, I think, kind of touch on this vein earlier.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:21] Adam: It’s, yeah, part of the thrill of being out is not knowing what’s next.
[0:59:21 – 0:59:22] Erik: Did you add the hey, hey, huzzah?
[0:59:22 – 0:59:23] Adam: I did, yeah.
[0:59:23 – 0:59:26] Adam: That wasn’t part of the, sorry, to editorialize.
[0:59:26 – 0:59:31] Adam: I was agreeing with the comment.
[0:59:31 – 0:59:31] Erik: Agreed.
[0:59:33 – 0:59:34] Erik: Hopalicious.
[0:59:34 – 0:59:35] Erik: Four points.
[0:59:36 – 0:59:37] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:59:37 – 0:59:40] Erik: This is more than I would have expected.
[0:59:41 – 0:59:43] Erik: I use Mackenzie Maps.
[0:59:46 – 0:59:49] Erik: The sun and I follow my internal compass.
[0:59:50 – 0:59:53] Adam: That’s the one you want to listen to is the one right here, sir.
[0:59:53 – 0:59:58] Adam: Yes, the deep internal magnetic brain.
[0:59:59 – 1:00:03] Erik: If all else fails, I carry a Garmin E-TREX 20X.
[1:00:04 – 1:00:08] Erik: I do not excessively slap the bag until I get to camp.
[1:00:08 – 1:00:30] Erik: well that’s smart is key that is smart hey looking at you i know sobriety is key it’s the only thing that matters keep it together the only time i get confused is when i’m staring at islands that mckenzie has left off the map oh that’s the worst yeah it makes me feel like i am not where i think i am
[1:00:32 – 1:00:33] Erik: maps Mackenzie.
[1:00:34 – 1:00:35] Erik: Was that part of the comment?
[1:00:35 – 1:00:35] Erik: Yes.
[1:00:36 – 1:00:36] Adam: Oh okay.
[1:00:36 – 1:00:37] Erik: That was a comment.
[1:00:37 – 1:00:38] Erik: That is a sentence from Hopalicious.
[1:00:38 – 1:00:40] Adam: But this is somebody that uses Mackenzie’s.
[1:00:41 – 1:00:41] Adam: Okay.
[1:00:41 – 1:00:43] Erik: Maybe you should try using Fisher’s Hopalicious.
[1:00:44 – 1:00:45] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:00:45 – 1:01:14] Adam: The one time I’ve never had issues with islands, but when we were doing the Frost River loop, when we got out of the river system and back up to Mora, I remember very much a distinctive feeling of dread and overwhelming anxiety of being back into the open and having to readjust my navigation technique to consider big open water and islands and points and bays.
[1:01:15 – 1:01:42] Adam: yeah i mean it was a little disorienting for sure um just wanted to throw that out there it happens to the best of us oh yeah it does but until you like get sometimes it’s just about getting your bearings sometimes like we literally had to pull over i had to like i just had to pull over to shore and like get my bearings and then i was like okay that’s i see now that’s that that’s that that’s that all right let’s go next
[1:01:42 – 1:01:43] Erik: So far, so good.
[1:01:44 – 1:01:47] Erik: I have yet to become a lost boy.
[1:01:48 – 1:01:50] Erik: Hashtag lost boys.
[1:01:51 – 1:01:52] Erik: Hashtag PB Naish.
[1:01:53 – 1:01:53] Adam: Yes.
[1:01:53 – 1:01:55] Erik: Hashtag choose wisely.
[1:01:55 – 1:01:58] Adam: It’s about time we got some hashtag PB Naish on the show.
[1:01:58 – 1:02:26] Erik: yeah i had the staff way to go hoplicious uh at some point this summer uh listened to a podcast enough listened to enough podcasts to know that uh pb nash was a thing and so like every time i would go out into the parking lot and like get into a clear water truck there would be like finger drawn on in the dust hashtag pb nash nice just on the back of the clear water truck
[1:02:27 – 1:02:28] Adam: Way to go.
[1:02:28 – 1:02:29] Adam: Spreading the word.
[1:02:29 – 1:02:30] Adam: The youth are all right.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:34] Adam: T-Pail Shadow?
[1:02:35 – 1:02:37] Adam: No, we just read that one.
[1:02:37 – 1:02:38] Erik: No, we just did Hopalicious.
[1:02:39 – 1:02:39] Erik: Oh, I see.
[1:02:40 – 1:03:04] Adam: t-pal shadow three points i usually take a paper map i’m gonna i’m gonna just start this one over and say first of all like i’m kind of surprised how many people are calling that a paper map it obviously is paper but to me it feels like this glossy paper that these waterproof maps are what else would you call it i don’t know i guess it’s a paper map i just called a map i guess i don’t i don’t know why people are saying it’s
[1:03:04 – 1:03:06] Adam: Paper map, yeah, it’s a map.
[1:03:06 – 1:03:07] Erik: It’s a handheld map.
[1:03:07 – 1:03:08] Adam: It’s a real map.
[1:03:09 – 1:03:11] Erik: It’s a real, tangible map.
[1:03:13 – 1:03:14] Adam: TPAL Shadow, three points.
[1:03:15 – 1:03:20] Adam: I usually take a paper map and then have a Garmin eTrucks 30 with all the data from BWCA loaded.
[1:03:21 – 1:03:30] Adam: I try to only pull the Garmin up when needed, but I will say it can be a great sanity check if you’re trying to beat weather, nightfall, or your spot is taken.
[1:03:30 – 1:03:35] Adam: Having all the portage and campsite data available in real time like that is amazing.
[1:03:36 – 1:03:37] Adam: All right.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:38] Adam: Good point.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:39] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:39 – 1:03:41] Adam: It’s always nice to have the electronics out there.
[1:03:44 – 1:03:47] Adam: I’ll be turning this back over to you in just a second.
[1:03:47 – 1:03:48] Adam: You can do two.
[1:03:48 – 1:03:48] Adam: You can take two.
[1:03:49 – 1:03:49] Erik: Okay.
[1:03:49 – 1:03:49] Erik: I’ll take two.
[1:03:50 – 1:03:50] Erik: E.R.
[1:03:51 – 1:03:51] Erik: Baker.
[1:03:52 – 1:03:55] Erik: McKenzie Map, baby.
[1:03:55 – 1:03:59] Adam: While I disagree with their enthusiasm for McKenzie, I love the attitude.
[1:03:59 – 1:04:02] Adam: I think they deserve an extra point.
[1:04:03 – 1:04:05] Adam: I would vote for an extra upvote there.
[1:04:06 – 1:04:07] Adam: Four points.
[1:04:07 – 1:04:08] Adam: Four points.
[1:04:08 – 1:04:09] Erik: Bay Bay.
[1:04:09 – 1:04:09] Erik: Bay Bay.
[1:04:09 – 1:04:10] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:04:10 – 1:04:13] Erik: C underscore stroke.
[1:04:14 – 1:04:16] Erik: Fisher maps in a Ziploc freezer bag.
[1:04:18 – 1:04:26] Erik: Not going to criticize too much, but I have folks at Clearwater ask me for Ziplocs, waterproof bags, map cases.
[1:04:28 – 1:04:30] Erik: The McKenzie’s and the Fisher’s are all waterproof.
[1:04:30 – 1:04:31] Adam: That’s true.
[1:04:31 – 1:04:36] Adam: I would say, though, and this is the second comment that’s mentioned, Ziplocs or Zippies.
[1:04:38 – 1:04:45] Adam: I usually will have, like I said, I’ll have the Fisher out or whatever, and then I’ll have the Nat Geo with us.
[1:04:45 – 1:04:51] Adam: I’ll have the Nat Geo and a sketch pad, and I’ll kind of put it with the art supplies in a Zippy.
[1:04:53 – 1:05:00] Adam: Not that it needs it, but it’s just like, well, it’s nice, and it makes sense to have it all with the drawing equipment and pens and
[1:05:00 – 1:05:02] Erik: Maybe it’s just my access to maps.
[1:05:03 – 1:05:07] Erik: Well, yeah, I always have limited access to maps that I maybe a little bit more.
[1:05:07 – 1:05:09] Adam: You don’t need to protect it.
[1:05:09 – 1:05:16] Adam: I guess with my Nat Geo because I have a lot of like notes on there and I really don’t want that one getting wet because I think it will eventually the map will be fine itself.
[1:05:16 – 1:05:22] Adam: But like all my like highlighters and I’ve definitely noticed that like highlighter will wash off.
[1:05:23 – 1:05:26] Erik: But, yeah, I mean, I just fold mine up and throw it in a pocket.
[1:05:27 – 1:05:31] Erik: And then when I’m on a portage, it just goes in, like, a side pocket.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:31] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:33] Erik: And when I’m walking.
[1:05:33 – 1:05:36] Adam: Well, yeah, the traveling map, for sure, is just out.
[1:05:36 – 1:05:40] Adam: But I’m just saying, like, I usually do carry, like, the record map with me, too.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:41] Adam: Well, that’s different.
[1:05:41 – 1:05:42] Adam: And so you want to keep that.
[1:05:42 – 1:05:44] Erik: The navigational map, I just leave that out.
[1:05:44 – 1:05:46] Erik: That usually is just sitting in a pool.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:48] Adam: Yeah, they really don’t need to be in a zippy, for sure.
[1:05:49 – 1:05:53] Erik: Yeah, so C underscore stroke continues.
[1:05:53 – 1:06:02] Erik: I love it when the stars align and the map folds so that your day’s route is on two corresponding sides within the Ziploc.
[1:06:03 – 1:06:03] Adam: Oh, sure.
[1:06:04 – 1:06:13] Erik: Who’s ever had the long day when the stern paddler checks the map and gets the side eye over the shoulder look from the bow to see why you’re not paddling?
[1:06:14 – 1:06:14] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:14 – 1:06:15] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:15 – 1:06:16] Erik: Canoe rage is real.
[1:06:19 – 1:06:20] Adam: It’s just making sure we’re going the right.
[1:06:20 – 1:06:22] Adam: You don’t want to paddle two miles out of your way.
[1:06:23 – 1:06:23] Erik: No.
[1:06:24 – 1:06:27] Adam: It’s better to take a few strokes off while you consult the map.
[1:06:27 – 1:06:29] Erik: I got you lined up there on the top.
[1:06:30 – 1:06:34] Adam: Reverse Anastomosis.
[1:06:34 – 1:06:36] Adam: I can’t believe that I said it that way.
[1:06:37 – 1:06:38] Adam: Anastomosis.
[1:06:39 – 1:06:40] Adam: I believe I got it right.
[1:06:41 – 1:06:42] Adam: Reverse Anastomosis.
[1:06:43 – 1:06:44] Adam: Two points.
[1:06:45 – 1:06:46] Adam: Relatively recent maps.
[1:06:46 – 1:06:49] Adam: I really don’t care if they’re Fisher, McKenzie, or Voyager.
[1:06:49 – 1:06:50] Adam: A compass.
[1:06:51 – 1:06:51] Adam: Period.
[1:06:52 – 1:06:54] Adam: I also happen to be grandfathered into GAA…
[1:06:58 – 1:07:13] Adam: guy gps i don’t know i think that i think it’s a brand of gps or it’s a subscription base anyways it’s some sort of gps i’m really messing up this person’s comment
[1:07:14 – 1:07:17] Adam: I think that expires this year.
[1:07:17 – 1:07:21] Adam: I really like the app, but they have never actually needed to use it.
[1:07:21 – 1:07:24] Adam: I already pay enough for a spot tracker or PLB.
[1:07:25 – 1:07:26] Adam: I’m not going to pay any more for peace of mind.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:32] Adam: I will use something with a downloadable map just so I can pinpoint my location on a paper map if needed.
[1:07:33 – 1:07:33] Adam: There it is.
[1:07:33 – 1:07:34] Adam: Paper map again.
[1:07:35 – 1:07:38] Adam: I’m pretty sure I can do that with Google Maps now.
[1:07:43 – 1:07:47] Adam: I don’t know if I’m just like my eyes aren’t working or if that was weirdly written.
[1:07:47 – 1:07:49] Adam: I had trouble with that comment.
[1:07:49 – 1:07:52] Adam: I will admit it, listeners, and I think I did my best.
[1:07:52 – 1:07:53] Adam: Is that the end?
[1:07:53 – 1:07:54] Adam: That’s it.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:54] Adam: Okay.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:55] Adam: That’s the whole thing.
[1:07:55 – 1:08:07] Erik: Well, that also leads me to, and the main reason that I didn’t bring one down or really talk about it is I am almost 100% positive that they don’t make maps anymore, and that’s the Voyager map company.
[1:08:07 – 1:08:08] Adam: Yeah.
[1:08:08 – 1:08:09] Erik: I don’t think they make maps anymore.
[1:08:11 – 1:08:12] Erik: And they’re fine.
[1:08:12 – 1:08:14] Adam: I’ve never had the pleasure of using one.
[1:08:14 – 1:08:16] Erik: They’ve got nice fishing information.
[1:08:16 – 1:08:19] Erik: They’ve got the fire outlines from historic fires.
[1:08:19 – 1:08:20] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:08:20 – 1:08:24] Erik: Their triangles that denote campsites, I think, are too large.
[1:08:25 – 1:08:26] Erik: Sure.
[1:08:26 – 1:08:31] Erik: So you can’t tell if it’s a point or an island sometimes or exactly what side of a point it’s on.
[1:08:32 – 1:08:32] Erik: Yeah.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:34] Erik: And they’re okay.
[1:08:34 – 1:08:38] Erik: I just don’t think you can find them in very many places anymore.
[1:08:39 – 1:08:40] Adam: Are they a collector’s item?
[1:08:40 – 1:08:42] Erik: They are probably a collector’s item at this point.
[1:08:42 – 1:08:43] Adam: Probably are.
[1:08:43 – 1:08:43] Adam: Yeah.
[1:08:44 – 1:08:50] Erik: This is a simple two-sentence answer from Chef Cycle.
[1:08:50 – 1:08:53] Erik: I’ll read two, and then you can read this longer one.
[1:08:53 – 1:08:53] Erik: All right.
[1:08:53 – 1:08:54] Erik: Chef Cycle.
[1:08:54 – 1:08:57] Erik: McKenzie double-bagged in Ziplocs.
[1:08:57 – 1:08:59] Erik: Simple and efficient.
[1:09:03 – 1:09:25] Erik: do 042 i navigate exclusively exclusively by the position of the sun and the north star sometimes i use the position of the moss on trees hmm all right that’s a little more like big picture i like that and natural very nice do
[1:09:26 – 1:09:30] Erik: I don’t believe that that is entirely… You don’t think you can really pull that off?
[1:09:30 – 1:09:34] Erik: No, not for 100% of the trip, I don’t imagine.
[1:09:34 – 1:09:35] Adam: Yeah, that would be tricky.
[1:09:35 – 1:09:45] Erik: I mean, you’d have to have an encyclopedic… You can tell what direction you’re going in, but that doesn’t help you in terms of what’s in your way.
[1:09:45 – 1:09:49] Adam: Yeah, you’d have to have it memorized, the entire map.
[1:09:49 – 1:09:51] Adam: Or maybe you just dream in fissures.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:52] Adam: I do.
[1:09:52 – 1:09:54] Adam: MN, for you, one point.
[1:09:55 – 1:09:57] Adam: One year we lost our map first day on the Granite River.
[1:09:58 – 1:10:00] Adam: This was after a fire and with high water.
[1:10:00 – 1:10:03] Adam: We missed a portage and bushwhacked around some rapids.
[1:10:04 – 1:10:07] Adam: When we set up camp, we realized we did not have our map.
[1:10:07 – 1:10:12] Adam: We went back and searched the burned woods, but came back covered in soot and without the map.
[1:10:13 – 1:10:20] Adam: Luckily, we had a GPS, which we then found out didn’t work to show location, but did have a digital image of the map.
[1:10:21 – 1:10:40] Adam: we had a great trip through sag and good memories i’m leaving for a trip tomorrow huzzah huzzah i have a mackenzie map to navigate a nat geo buried in my gear and i downloaded the area on google maps on my phone i originally had both maps in the same case but then thought twice
[1:10:41 – 1:10:41] Adam: All right.
[1:10:41 – 1:10:44] Adam: Yeah, you got to keep those maps separate.
[1:10:44 – 1:10:50] Adam: I think that’s the only, like, keep one in your pocket and then keep a backup or area map in your pack.
[1:10:50 – 1:10:51] Adam: That’s a good idea.
[1:10:52 – 1:10:53] Adam: Always keep one on you, though.
[1:10:55 – 1:10:56] Erik: On your person.
[1:10:56 – 1:11:03] Adam: Yeah, you still keep your map in, like, your leg pocket and not up in your fancy life vest, right?
[1:11:04 – 1:11:09] Erik: I keep the emergency beacon Garmin in reach.
[1:11:09 – 1:11:11] Adam: And the recording equipment.
[1:11:11 – 1:11:16] Erik: The recording equipment and the GoPro all in the Stolquist.
[1:11:17 – 1:11:18] Erik: The Stolquist.
[1:11:18 – 1:11:24] Erik: Bubble pockets on the chest front of the life jacket.
[1:11:24 – 1:11:27] Erik: And then I keep a Fisher in my pocket.
[1:11:28 – 1:11:30] Erik: Paddle faster.
[1:11:31 – 1:11:33] Erik: I follow along on a McKenzie.
[1:11:33 – 1:11:34] Erik: The love for the McKenzie.
[1:11:34 – 1:11:35] Erik: It’s there.
[1:11:35 – 1:11:35] Erik: It’s real.
[1:11:36 – 1:11:36] Erik: It is.
[1:11:36 – 1:11:37] Erik: If you’re keeping track, I feel like…
[1:11:37 – 1:11:38] Adam: I guess we’re wrong.
[1:11:38 – 1:11:39] Erik: Maybe we are.
[1:11:39 – 1:11:40] Adam: We probably are.
[1:11:40 – 1:11:55] Erik: I follow along on a McKenzie, but really my primary source is an E-TREX 30X with Topos campsites and portage locations marked the GPS forum at bwca.com is awesome.
[1:11:55 – 1:11:55] Erik: Huh.
[1:11:55 – 1:11:56] Erik: I’ve never been over there, actually.
[1:11:56 – 1:12:01] Adam: Yeah, I’ve… Well, as I said earlier, I’ve never used a GPS, so…
[1:12:01 – 1:12:03] Erik: BWCA.com?
[1:12:05 – 1:12:05] Adam: Yeah.
[1:12:05 – 1:12:06] Adam: Interesting.
[1:12:06 – 1:12:06] Erik: It’s the thing.
[1:12:07 – 1:12:11] Erik: I’ll read another one and then we’ll pass back over for a muddy foot for you.
[1:12:12 – 1:12:14] Erik: This is from Rolo Pumps.
[1:12:15 – 1:12:18] Erik: I’ve used Fisher and McKenzie maps on both trips.
[1:12:19 – 1:12:22] Erik: Sorry, on trips both are equal in my opinion.
[1:12:23 – 1:12:24] Erik: I have learned how to use a compass.
[1:12:24 – 1:12:27] Erik: Wilderness navigation takes a lot of practice.
[1:12:28 – 1:12:28] Erik: That it does.
[1:12:28 – 1:12:31] Erik: How do you get to Carnegie Hall?
[1:12:33 – 1:12:34] Erik: Practice every day?
[1:12:35 – 1:12:35] Erik: Practice.
[1:12:36 – 1:12:36] Erik: It depends.
[1:12:37 – 1:12:42] Erik: Get used to the map you’re using and get used to what the woods and waters look like.
[1:12:44 – 1:12:45] Erik: That’s just my opinion.
[1:12:45 – 1:12:47] Adam: Muddyfoot, 10, 22, 1 point.
[1:12:50 – 1:12:51] Adam: There we go.
[1:12:51 – 1:12:51] Adam: Yes.
[1:13:07 – 1:13:14] Adam: I think I might purchase a new one from an outfitter before pushing off so this one can hang proudly on the wall in the garage.
[1:13:14 – 1:13:15] Adam: Yes.
[1:13:15 – 1:13:16] Adam: Get a radio out.
[1:13:17 – 1:13:17] Adam: Change the oil.
[1:13:19 – 1:13:19] Adam: Love it.
[1:13:19 – 1:13:21] Adam: Thank you, Muddyfoot.
[1:13:21 – 1:13:22] Adam: That was a great question.
[1:13:22 – 1:13:23] Adam: I’m going to award you two extra points.
[1:13:23 – 1:13:26] Adam: One point is simply absurd.
[1:13:26 – 1:13:30] Adam: What a great response.
[1:13:30 – 1:13:31] Adam: We can actually upvote here.
[1:13:32 – 1:13:35] Adam: Well, you upvote it once, Eric, and I’ll go and I’ll upvote it later.
[1:13:35 – 1:13:36] Erik: Oh, my gosh.
[1:13:36 – 1:13:37] Erik: There’s so many more.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:40] Erik: This is awesome.
[1:13:40 – 1:13:41] Erik: Where are we?
[1:13:41 – 1:13:42] Erik: Max Cavan.
[1:13:44 – 1:13:49] Adam: Good friend.
[1:13:49 – 1:13:51] Erik: North Maps and a compass.
[1:13:52 – 1:13:57] Erik: also have an old Galaxy Active phone to use as a GPS.
[1:13:57 – 1:13:59] Adam: Wait, do you have a, is it a G6?
[1:14:01 – 1:14:01] Erik: It’s an Active?
[1:14:01 – 1:14:02] Erik: Doesn’t say.
[1:14:02 – 1:14:03] Erik: Yeah, I bet it is.
[1:14:04 – 1:14:05] Adam: That’s the Active.
[1:14:06 – 1:14:09] Adam: They only had like, there’s like the 5 Active and the 6 Active.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:11] Adam: I like a 6.
[1:14:11 – 1:14:14] Adam: The 6 is my go-to like park camera right now.
[1:14:14 – 1:14:16] Erik: Next week on Tumble Home.
[1:14:16 – 1:14:16] Erik: Tech.
[1:14:17 – 1:14:17] Adam: Galaxy.
[1:14:18 – 1:14:19] Adam: Talk.
[1:14:19 – 1:14:19] Adam: Tech, tech, tech.
[1:14:20 – 1:14:24] Erik: I have topo maps for the whole park loaded offline in there.
[1:14:24 – 1:14:28] Erik: Still new to navigating via physical maps and compass.
[1:14:29 – 1:14:32] Erik: So having that as a backup or a reassurance is nice.
[1:14:32 – 1:14:38] Erik: Do you think paper maps are going to go away and then like tech maps and like screen maps are going to?
[1:14:39 – 1:14:41] Adam: I mean, a lot of people are using GPSs and phones already.
[1:14:41 – 1:14:44] Adam: It sounds like how much longer are these paper maps going to hang on?
[1:14:46 – 1:14:48] Erik: How much longer are these paper maps?
[1:14:48 – 1:14:51] Erik: What’s the deal with these paper maps?
[1:14:52 – 1:14:54] Erik: What’s with these paper mops?
[1:14:54 – 1:14:58] Erik: All right, I’m going to do another one just because there are so many.
[1:14:59 – 1:14:59] Adam: Okay.
[1:14:59 – 1:15:02] Erik: I can’t believe there’s a ton down here with just one point.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:04] Adam: They’re probably still coming in.
[1:15:04 – 1:15:05] Erik: They probably are.
[1:15:05 – 1:15:06] Erik: We’re recording way too early.
[1:15:09 – 1:15:13] Erik: This is from LVNV1212.
[1:15:13 – 1:15:18] Erik: As a redundancy to McKenzie Maps, I will take three or four pictures of my route on the map.
[1:15:19 – 1:15:22] Erik: Works very well displayed on my phone.
[1:15:23 – 1:15:24] Erik: Where are you taking those pictures?
[1:15:25 – 1:15:26] Erik: Just taking pictures of the map?
[1:15:27 – 1:15:28] Adam: Yeah, that’s how I understand it.
[1:15:28 – 1:15:30] Adam: You’re just taking some screen grabs.
[1:15:30 – 1:15:34] Adam: Sure, just in case you pull a real Rasmussen and lose that paper map.
[1:15:34 – 1:15:35] Erik: Exactly.
[1:15:35 – 1:15:40] Erik: That plus Gaia GPS with downloaded maps of the area.
[1:15:40 – 1:15:41] Adam: That’s what the other one was saying.
[1:15:41 – 1:15:42] Adam: That’s how you say it, Gaia?
[1:15:43 – 1:15:44] Adam: I was like, G-A-I-E-A?
[1:15:44 – 1:15:44] Adam: Yeah.
[1:15:45 – 1:15:46] Erik: Gaia.
[1:15:46 – 1:15:48] Erik: We’re like, are we the only ones that use paper maps?
[1:15:49 – 1:15:50] Adam: No, obviously not.
[1:15:50 – 1:15:51] Erik: Are we the baddies?
[1:15:51 – 1:15:52] Adam: No, we’re the oldies.
[1:15:53 – 1:15:53] Adam: We’re the baddies.
[1:15:53 – 1:15:54] Adam: We’re in the fall of our life.
[1:15:55 – 1:15:56] Adam: We’re the baddies.
[1:15:57 – 1:16:00] Adam: These youngsters and their digital technology.
[1:16:01 – 1:16:02] Adam: Downloading stuff.
[1:16:02 – 1:16:04] Adam: Printing, printing.
[1:16:04 – 1:16:06] Erik: Oh, printing, printing is the last comment.
[1:16:06 – 1:16:07] Adam: Print of the show.
[1:16:08 – 1:16:08] Adam: One point.
[1:16:10 – 1:16:13] Adam: My go-to map are the Fisher, Nat Geos, and a compass.
[1:16:13 – 1:16:21] Adam: We tried out True North Map Company on our last trip and loved how our whole route was on one map versus two to four for the Fisher.
[1:16:22 – 1:16:32] Adam: Probably being a little nitpicky here, but some of the things I do not like about the True North Map include the hike insights use the same red dot as canoe insights.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:36] Adam: The color for the hiking trails is hard for me to see.
[1:16:37 – 1:16:38] Adam: against the lighter green.
[1:16:38 – 1:16:41] Adam: Overall, though, had a good experience with the True North map.
[1:16:42 – 1:16:48] Adam: I also have some offline GPS maps downloaded on my phone if I get real turned around.
[1:16:49 – 1:16:49] Adam: Okie doke.
[1:16:50 – 1:16:57] Erik: Yeah, I know the Fishers do Circle for paddling campsites and the Tri for hike-in sites.
[1:16:57 – 1:17:03] Erik: I think that is the only map company that denotes the differences between hike-in and paddle.
[1:17:03 – 1:17:06] Adam: Are we trying to drive a wedge between a campsite to campsite?
[1:17:07 – 1:17:09] Adam: It doesn’t matter how you get there.
[1:17:09 – 1:17:15] Adam: I know you’re supposed to give priority to the hikers on those, but whatever.
[1:17:15 – 1:17:21] Adam: If you go up to Goga Beige and the main site’s gone, you’re not going to just take the hiking site?
[1:17:21 – 1:17:24] Erik: Are you going to portage everything back down to West Pike?
[1:17:25 – 1:17:51] Adam: to a site that is supposedly for hikers only just to find a canoe group at it that would be pretty uh upsetting i guess so yeah i’ve never i don’t think i’ve ever had to stay at the triangle site i’m just saying like there’s probably a cause if you end up with there you know maybe yeah i’ll read two here and i’m gonna i’m gonna give you uh robo rider oh thanks
[1:17:52 – 1:18:13] Erik: yeah this is from wasabi 930 mackenzie maps geez we are absolutely wrong let’s just admit it i it’s like mackenzie mackenzie’s it’s crazy but i’d love to be zoomed in i guess i don’t know mackenzie maps and extensive monogen knowledge maybe shout out ymca camp
[1:18:14 – 1:18:18] Erik: This is from Blackson716 on X.
[1:18:18 – 1:18:20] Erik: Hunt came in.
[1:18:21 – 1:18:22] Erik: Very handy this trip.
[1:18:22 – 1:18:23] Erik: I don’t know what that is.
[1:18:23 – 1:18:25] Erik: Sounds like an app of some sort.
[1:18:25 – 1:18:25] Erik: Yeah, I think so.
[1:18:26 – 1:18:27] Adam: It is some sort of map app.
[1:18:27 – 1:18:28] Adam: Youth term.
[1:18:30 – 1:18:34] Erik: Turn it on and flip phone to airplane mode lasted us the entire trip.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:36] Erik: You can make great fishing and ideal.
[1:18:36 – 1:18:49] Erik: You can mark great fishing and ideal camping spots, quickly measure the distance, and even make notes about what type of fish you’d expect to find at the waypoints and what they’ve hit in the past based on other reviewers.
[1:18:50 – 1:18:54] Erik: Cheap annual membership fee and really did the trick for us.
[1:18:55 – 1:19:01] Erik: We also had a physical map with contour lines in the lakes to explore some of the deeper transition spots.
[1:19:01 – 1:19:03] Erik: Good combo.
[1:19:03 – 1:19:09] Erik: Yeah, it sounds like we’re just not taking that next step to the future of downloading stuff.
[1:19:09 – 1:19:11] Adam: I guess we’re stuck in the 90s still.
[1:19:12 – 1:19:13] Erik: Yeah, we are.
[1:19:13 – 1:19:13] Adam: It’s awesome.
[1:19:13 – 1:19:22] Adam: I mean, I think I mentioned in the first part of this show that I also use the internet once in a while.
[1:19:23 – 1:19:24] Erik: I also use the internet.
[1:19:24 – 1:19:25] Adam: Yeah.
[1:19:26 – 1:19:33] Adam: I’m only bringing my old Galaxy phone for a camera at this point, but maybe I should be kind of loading some apps on there too.
[1:19:34 – 1:19:34] Erik: Right.
[1:19:34 – 1:19:35] Erik: I mean, we…
[1:19:38 – 1:20:04] Erik: have the gps but it’s only for like emergency purposes i’m just so used to using the paper maps downloading all these crazy apps all these kids are using these days this podcast has just been i’m happy to find out that we’re like in the minority on the way we’re doing things this episode is just basically us discovering we are yeah this is just us what’s that uh principal skinner meme where he’s like am i
[1:20:05 – 1:20:31] Adam: uh out of touch no it’s the kids that are no it’s yeah they don’t know what they’re talking about yeah except for this guy rojo rider one point the map and compass are my primary and most important tools personally i like the voyager ones because they have the lake topography information and the historical facts and other blurbs which always makes for good reading at the campsite
[1:20:32 – 1:20:36] Adam: but our group always tries to have a mixture of Fisher, Voyager, or McKenzie.
[1:20:37 – 1:20:44] Adam: We have found that the variety is sometimes helpful in case a portage is marked incorrectly or a campsite is not marked on one brand.
[1:20:44 – 1:20:49] Adam: I will also research the route and mark my map as necessary prior to departure.
[1:20:50 – 1:20:58] Adam: I try to have the map encompass always within view so that I can track the canoe along the map while I paddle, focusing on islands and other geography around me.
[1:21:01 – 1:21:09] Adam: Also, before leaving home, I will download the area to a map app on my phone so you don’t need service to view the area because the GPS still works in airplane mode.
[1:21:10 – 1:21:11] Adam: That’s a couple of those now.
[1:21:12 – 1:21:14] Adam: Then I’m not quite sure where I am.
[1:21:14 – 1:21:16] Adam: A quick look at the phone is all it takes.
[1:21:16 – 1:21:17] Adam: Oh, that is nice.
[1:21:18 – 1:21:22] Adam: I just noticed on my last trip that some portages are even marked on Google Maps.
[1:21:23 – 1:21:23] Adam: That is true.
[1:21:25 – 1:21:29] Adam: I like the note on just bringing a variety, and I think we’ve kind of talked about that too.
[1:21:29 – 1:21:32] Adam: It’s nice to have a couple different ones.
[1:21:32 – 1:21:44] Adam: They take up no space, really, and no weight, and it’s kind of fun to compare them after a day of traveling, I would find, and like, oh, this one says it’s this much, and this one has this campsite marked over here.
[1:21:44 – 1:21:45] Adam: Like, which one’s right?
[1:21:46 – 1:21:48] Adam: It is kind of fun to have multiple maps.
[1:21:49 – 1:21:56] Adam: If we’re doing a trip, like if I know you’re bringing the fishers, Eric, I’ll just throw my Nat Geo in and then we can kind of compare those in camp.
[1:21:58 – 1:21:58] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:21:58 – 1:22:01] Adam: That was a very nice response.
[1:22:01 – 1:22:10] Adam: And since Rojo is just in the neighborhood, we’re going to absolutely award an extra point for that comment.
[1:22:10 – 1:22:13] Adam: I guess I’ve got to get on this downloadable map data.
[1:22:13 – 1:22:21] Adam: If you can run it on airplane mode, that won’t kill your battery then, unless you’re constantly taking video of your pocket.
[1:22:22 – 1:22:25] Erik: Yeah, that’s… Oh, man.
[1:22:25 – 1:22:26] Erik: That will do it.
[1:22:26 – 1:22:27] Erik: What a username here.
[1:22:28 – 1:22:29] Erik: Ghost of Ed Abbey.
[1:22:30 – 1:22:31] Erik: Oh, boy.
[1:22:31 – 1:22:32] Erik: Final comment.
[1:22:33 – 1:22:33] Erik: How appropriate.
[1:22:34 – 1:22:36] Erik: Depends on the route and area.
[1:22:37 – 1:22:39] Erik: Primarily map and compass.
[1:22:40 – 1:22:52] Erik: I have a true Nord compass, link in that comment, clipped to my PFD to allow for quick check-ins in areas that need it.
[1:22:52 – 1:22:56] Erik: I prefer Voyager maps, but also use Fisher and McKenzie.
[1:22:57 – 1:23:01] Erik: Have not tried the new true North maps, but plan to try those in the future.
[1:23:02 – 1:23:10] Erik: I also carry an older GPS with campsites and portages loaded, but we mostly use the GPS to check our trolling speeds.
[1:23:11 – 1:23:12] Erik: There you go.
[1:23:12 – 1:23:13] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:23:13 – 1:23:14] Erik: Comment we’ve heard.
[1:23:14 – 1:23:15] Erik: That’s a good point.
[1:23:15 – 1:23:19] Adam: When we were motorboat fishing in Voyager, you’d be like, we got to go like 3.1.
[1:23:21 – 1:23:24] Adam: 3.5 is too fast for the walleye.
[1:23:24 – 1:23:29] Erik: Other good comments here from Ghost of Ed Abbey, which have not been mentioned as of yet.
[1:23:30 – 1:23:38] Erik: I use the GPS more on the Ely side of the park where the topography is flatter and identifying landmarks from the topo maps is less reliable.
[1:23:38 – 1:23:39] Adam: That’s a good point.
[1:23:39 – 1:23:41] Adam: You don’t have the big hill to point out.
[1:23:41 – 1:23:43] Adam: It is a lot easier over here with the big hill.
[1:23:43 – 1:23:45] Adam: Like, okay, just got to get around that.
[1:23:45 – 1:23:45] Adam: It’s like…
[1:23:46 – 1:23:51] Adam: Often over here, you can just see wherever the lowest dip in the skyline is is where the portage is going to be.
[1:23:51 – 1:23:53] Adam: Almost always.
[1:23:53 – 1:23:57] Erik: On the Gunflint side, the terrain has more features to keep track of progress.
[1:23:57 – 1:23:59] Erik: There is also the experience factor.
[1:24:00 – 1:24:02] Erik: My first trips used more GPS.
[1:24:02 – 1:24:08] Erik: Last year, we navigated the Mudrow Horse Crooked Four Town Loop without using GPS for anything except fishing.
[1:24:09 – 1:24:29] Erik: not really a navigational aid but i always print the lake depth maps from the dnr website then mark up additional potential reefs from reviewing the aerial photos yes with fishing how is this the last comment can i double triple yeah ghost of ed abby nailed a bunch of things there probably just put it on there yesterday or something
[1:24:30 – 1:24:32] Erik: Yeah, it’s only six hours old, I’m sure.
[1:24:33 – 1:24:34] Adam: That one will go up.
[1:24:34 – 1:24:37] Erik: We’ve been pretty good about leaving questions up for a while.
[1:24:37 – 1:24:41] Adam: We almost left them up too long, and now people are like, well.
[1:24:41 – 1:24:44] Adam: Sorry, we’re just nabbing this one off the internet right now.
[1:24:44 – 1:24:45] Erik: Yeah, we are.
[1:24:45 – 1:24:47] Erik: But tons of great information.
[1:24:47 – 1:24:51] Erik: I love the number of comments.
[1:24:52 – 1:24:54] Erik: It sounds like there’s a lot of love for McKenzie out there.
[1:24:55 – 1:24:55] Erik: Oh, for sure.
[1:24:55 – 1:24:57] Adam: Way more than I expected.
[1:24:57 – 1:24:57] Adam: Yeah.
[1:24:58 – 1:24:59] Adam: This is why we consult.
[1:24:59 – 1:25:00] Adam: With our friends on Reddit.
[1:25:00 – 1:25:11] Erik: This is why after episode 20, I changed the subtitle of the podcast from Bonjoirs and Quetico Camping Experts to Bonjoirs and Quetico Camping Enthusiasts.
[1:25:11 – 1:25:12] Erik: Yeah.
[1:25:12 – 1:25:13] Erik: Because we’re not experts.
[1:25:13 – 1:25:13] Erik: No, we’re not.
[1:25:13 – 1:25:20] Erik: We’re only experts in the collective sense of what everybody knows.
[1:25:20 – 1:25:22] Erik: And we’re only experts together.
[1:25:22 – 1:25:23] Erik: Yes.
[1:25:23 – 1:25:24] Adam: Nice.
[1:25:25 – 1:25:26] Erik: Nice, sir.
[1:25:26 – 1:25:26] Erik: Nice.
[1:25:27 – 1:25:29] Erik: And another hour and a half in.
[1:25:30 – 1:25:34] Erik: And we could extrapolate for another hour and a half on maps, honestly.
[1:25:35 – 1:25:35] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:25:35 – 1:25:40] Adam: It’s pretty surprising that it took us this long to do maps episodes, plural.
[1:25:41 – 1:25:42] Adam: But I’m glad we did.
[1:25:42 – 1:25:44] Adam: That was a fun conversation.
[1:25:44 – 1:25:46] Adam: I think it’s something we can come back to.
[1:25:46 – 1:25:50] Adam: Honestly, once a season, we should do a maps episode.
[1:25:51 – 1:25:52] Adam: Yeah.
[1:25:52 – 1:25:54] Adam: There’s a lot of different side channels we could take on this.
[1:25:54 – 1:25:57] Erik: A lot of little things that have to do with maps.
[1:25:58 – 1:26:08] Erik: And I could have easily seen ourselves plunging down the rabbit hole on many comments that we received from people on how they use maps in the park.
[1:26:09 – 1:26:09] Erik: Agreed.
[1:26:09 – 1:26:11] Erik: I think it’s a good place to start for people.
[1:26:11 – 1:26:14] Erik: We lay the foundation in episode one.
[1:26:15 – 1:26:22] Erik: We gave a nice spider web network kind of build out in episode two.
[1:26:23 – 1:26:27] Erik: And there is at this point no need for an episode three, I don’t think.
[1:26:28 – 1:26:31] Adam: Not this season, but in future seasons, we will come back to maps again.
[1:26:33 – 1:26:42] Adam: The way you know where you are in the world, and especially in a vast wilderness, this is important and also a part of the fun.
[1:26:43 – 1:26:49] Adam: It shows you where you’ve been, where you’re headed, and where you might go in the future.
[1:26:50 – 1:26:57] Adam: It is space and time, and it’s on a paper, and sometimes now it’s also on a device.
[1:26:58 – 1:26:59] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[1:26:59 – 1:27:03] Erik: And yeah, so I mean, do you have anything else to say before we close out this episode?
[1:27:03 – 1:27:07] Adam: No, I really, I think that’s as best as I can sum up what we’ve just been through.
[1:27:08 – 1:27:08] Adam: It’s been a lot of fun.
[1:27:08 – 1:27:09] Erik: Nice.
[1:27:09 – 1:27:14] Adam: It was fun talking with you, Eric, and talking with our friends on the internet once again.
[1:27:14 – 1:27:16] Adam: So yeah, I don’t know.
[1:27:16 – 1:27:20] Adam: I could honestly, as you said, just sit and look at a map for another hour.
[1:27:21 – 1:27:25] Adam: But I think we got to go find ourselves a pop and maybe another wheel.
[1:27:26 – 1:27:28] Erik: We definitely have to find ourselves not another wheel.
[1:27:28 – 1:27:29] Erik: Probably a wheel and then a pop.
[1:27:30 – 1:27:33] Erik: And our first wheel.
[1:27:33 – 1:27:34] Erik: I have been Eric.
[1:27:35 – 1:27:37] Adam: And my name is Francois Lacastor.
[1:27:38 – 1:27:41] Adam: You’ve been listening to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[1:27:41 – 1:27:42] Adam: Hashtag PBNash.
[1:27:43 – 1:27:44] Adam: Arrivederci, friends.
[1:27:44 – 1:27:45] Erik: Hashtag Lost Boys.
[1:27:47 – 1:28:05] Erik: I really don’t think that this has a direct correlation to the map conversation, but I’m going to leave this quote from our fine friend’s death grips.
[1:28:07 – 1:28:08] Erik: F*** where you’re going.
[1:28:10 – 1:28:11] Erik: F*** where you’ve been.
[1:28:12 – 1:28:14] Erik: It’s all about where you’re at.