075: Bow Paddlers

Episode Transcript

[0:00:31 – 0:00:50] Erik: um hello and welcome greetings tum tumble home um a boundary waters podcast i’m eric who are you hi howdy partner i’m your partner
[0:00:51 – 0:00:52] Adam: It’s Adam.
[0:00:52 – 0:00:55] Adam: Hey, buckaroo.
[0:00:55 – 0:00:56] Erik: Hey.
[0:00:58 – 0:00:59] Erik: Thanks for joining us here.
[0:01:00 – 0:01:04] Erik: We are in Studio V. V for view.
[0:01:05 – 0:01:07] Erik: Looking out on the big lake today.
[0:01:08 – 0:01:10] Erik: It’s the calmest of the studios.
[0:01:11 – 0:01:11] Erik: I think it is.
[0:01:12 – 0:01:14] Adam: The big lake is not calm right now.
[0:01:15 – 0:01:15] Adam: No, it’s not.
[0:01:15 – 0:01:16] Adam: It’s ripping out there.
[0:01:18 – 0:01:18] Erik: All right.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:24] Erik: Yeah, it’s a gale storm out there coming out of the south.
[0:01:26 – 0:01:54] Erik: west now it’s been shifting all day i don’t know and sprayed me on 61 got sprayed yeah it’s crazy uh we’re in the middle of a real edmund fitzgerald sinking style storm up here right now oh boy and it does not look like it’s going to end anytime soon you don’t want to be out there on a jet ski today no or actually it would probably be a lot of fun
[0:01:55 – 0:01:56] Erik: Man, for a little bit.
[0:01:58 – 0:02:01] Erik: This is, of course, episode 075.
[0:02:06 – 0:02:10] Erik: And we’re talking paddling partners.
[0:02:10 – 0:02:12] Erik: This is the bow episode.
[0:02:15 – 0:02:18] Adam: This one goes out to all those front seat paddlers.
[0:02:18 – 0:02:28] Erik: Front seat, just getting the tip of the canoe in your view, one side, just kind of blanking out, being able to stare at the shorelines.
[0:02:29 – 0:02:30] Erik: This one’s for you.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:32] Erik: Howdy.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:33] Adam: Howdy, partner.
[0:02:34 – 0:02:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:35 – 0:02:36] Adam: How’s she going by up there?
[0:02:37 – 0:02:38] Erik: How’s she going by?
[0:02:38 – 0:02:40] Erik: Anybody from Atikokan, check in.
[0:02:43 – 0:02:52] Erik: We are happy to be here as, I don’t know what those characters of ours there were, what you would call them.
[0:02:54 – 0:03:07] Erik: But those two, as mentioned, brought us into Studio V. And we are sponsored this week, as we are always sponsored by our friends on Patreon.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:09] Erik: Thank you, friends.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:12] Erik: You are the world to us.
[0:03:14 – 0:03:38] Erik: and of course we have a beer sponsor what do you know i had to transfer the beers from the outfitting refrigerator down to my personal refrigerator and there’s not that much room for food so yes let’s start uh getting some some beer sponsorships going here you’re a very brave man to hold on to all these fine beers i was just saying before you hit record i i
[0:03:39 – 0:03:42] Adam: Not sure they would fare so well in my personal refrigerator.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:45] Adam: I’m quite a thirsty boy.
[0:03:45 – 0:03:48] Erik: Yeah, it’s a burden.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:50] Adam: Especially when I’m up in the bow.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:51] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:03:52 – 0:03:54] Erik: These are from Corey.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:56] Erik: We didn’t forget about you, Corey.
[0:03:56 – 0:03:57] Erik: You just kind of got lost in the shuffle.
[0:03:57 – 0:04:01] Erik: I brought these down to Studio V, and then we recorded someplace else.
[0:04:01 – 0:04:05] Erik: And then it was like weeks were going by where I was like, I don’t have time to go down and get those.
[0:04:05 – 0:04:11] Erik: So I think you got passed by a couple of beer sponsorships in terms of chronology.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:14] Erik: But these are, in fact, from Corey.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:16] Erik: And they are a cute little…
[0:04:17 – 0:04:42] Erik: blonde bell blonde belgian very simple can blue with a little bald topped fryer monk the fryer yeah is that what you’d call that i think that’s a fryer with the the halo look there he looks quite happy i honestly thought it was a straw hat at first but you’re correct it’s just the the ring around the rosy uh bald top look here from our friend
[0:04:43 – 0:04:45] Erik: Noble Roots Brewing Company.
[0:04:46 – 0:04:49] Erik: Hey, out of your, uh, schnack of the woods.
[0:04:50 – 0:04:51] Erik: Green Bay.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:53] Erik: Green Bay.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Erik: Going for it.
[0:04:55 – 0:04:56] Erik: Ready?
[0:04:58 – 0:04:58] Erik: Nice.
[0:05:00 – 0:05:01] Erik: Cheers, my good man.
[0:05:03 – 0:05:03] Erik: Cheerio.
[0:05:08 – 0:05:08] Erik: Ooh.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:11] Erik: Nice.
[0:05:11 – 0:05:11] Adam: Different.
[0:05:12 – 0:05:13] Erik: I haven’t had a Belgian in a while.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:15 – 0:05:16] Adam: It’s nice to mix it up.
[0:05:16 – 0:05:17] Erik: Thanks, Corey.
[0:05:17 – 0:05:17] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:17 – 0:05:21] Erik: Thank you for sponsoring episode 075.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:22] Erik: See, you waited.
[0:05:22 – 0:05:24] Erik: You got like kind of.
[0:05:24 – 0:05:25] Erik: That’s a good number.
[0:05:25 – 0:05:28] Erik: A mildly important number.
[0:05:29 – 0:05:29] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:30] Adam: Is it?
[0:05:30 – 0:05:32] Adam: Because it’s a quarter way to 100.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:32] Adam: Just around.
[0:05:33 – 0:05:34] Adam: Three quarters.
[0:05:34 – 0:05:34] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:34 – 0:05:37] Adam: You know what I meant, right?
[0:05:37 – 0:05:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:37 – 0:05:41] Erik: I mean, but is it just because it’s like a round number?
[0:05:41 – 0:05:42] Erik: Like I get 100.
[0:05:42 – 0:05:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:44 – 0:05:44] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:45 – 0:05:45] Erik: 75?
[0:05:45 – 0:05:47] Erik: Eh, I don’t know.
[0:05:47 – 0:05:48] Erik: It’s something.
[0:05:48 – 0:05:54] Adam: Yeah, like I said, I don’t know why I tend to divide things up into halves and quarters.
[0:05:54 – 0:05:55] Erik: Yeah, well.
[0:05:56 – 0:05:59] Adam: And yeah, 100 seems like kind of a milestone.
[0:05:59 – 0:06:02] Adam: So we’re three quarters of the way to triple digits.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:04] Erik: 750 milliliters of tumble home.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:08] Adam: Yeah, it’s like that.
[0:06:09 – 0:06:10] Adam: It’s just like that.
[0:06:10 – 0:06:10] Erik: It’s just like that.
[0:06:10 – 0:06:11] Erik: Yep.
[0:06:11 – 0:06:18] Erik: So, yeah, we’re talking kind of a little bit more specifics this week.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:23] Erik: We had a couple of nuanced episodes the last few weeks.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:33] Erik: But before we get to that, we do have to, at this point, it might just become a recurring segment now, which is the, what are we calling it?
[0:06:34 – 0:06:35] Erik: Correspondence.
[0:06:36 – 0:06:37] Adam: Time for some correspondence.
[0:06:37 – 0:06:38] Adam: What you been up to?
[0:06:38 – 0:06:40] Adam: How you been?
[0:06:41 – 0:06:41] Adam: How you been?
[0:06:42 – 0:06:42] Adam: How you been?
[0:06:42 – 0:06:49] Adam: I think that we were going for correspondence, but I think that maybe it could just be called how you been?
[0:06:49 – 0:06:49] Adam: How’s it?
[0:06:49 – 0:06:50] Adam: How’s she going?
[0:06:50 – 0:06:50] Adam: Bye.
[0:06:52 – 0:06:54] Erik: Hashtag how’s it?
[0:06:55 – 0:07:03] Erik: So yeah, we are going to get to our thoughts or listeners’ thoughts first after correspondence.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:05] Adam: I would say let’s get with the listeners’ thoughts.
[0:07:05 – 0:07:06] Erik: All right, fine.
[0:07:06 – 0:07:07] Erik: That sounds like a good plan.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:23] Erik: Before we get to the hefty amount of responses we got on this, again, I think the episodes I get the most excited for are the ones that we get to read from scratch, just know something’s going to just click with me where I’m like, I haven’t thought of that at all.
[0:07:24 – 0:07:25] Erik: How is that a thing I’ve not thought of?
[0:07:25 – 0:07:27] Erik: Looking forward to getting to your responses.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:32] Erik: Before we get there, though, some emails and correspondents.
[0:07:33 – 0:07:41] Erik: This one is from Kyle going all the way back to, which I think is an influx conversation that we’ve been having about the board game.
[0:07:41 – 0:07:42] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:07:42 – 0:07:44] Adam: We’ll never stop talking about the board game.
[0:07:44 – 0:07:47] Erik: The all-encompassing board game.
[0:07:47 – 0:07:49] Erik: This is a friend of the show, Quick Stop Kyle.
[0:07:49 – 0:07:50] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:07:51 – 0:07:51] Erik: Fancy feet.
[0:07:51 – 0:07:53] Erik: That’s what we call him.
[0:07:53 – 0:07:53] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:54 – 0:07:56] Adam: Man, that guy’s got moves.
[0:07:56 – 0:07:56] Adam: It’s crazy.
[0:07:58 – 0:08:02] Erik: He says, a nice addition to the board game would be to have some sort of a trivia card.
[0:08:03 – 0:08:04] Adam: I’m taking notes.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:15] Erik: Whether it is after players each set of turns or somehow integrated into the board, something similar to Trivial Pursuit where there are like five categories.
[0:08:15 – 0:08:18] Erik: And then he gives some examples like, you know, like a lake question.
[0:08:19 – 0:08:25] Erik: This Vento unit lake named after Esau stretches nearly five miles and has five campsites.
[0:08:26 – 0:08:29] Erik: There’s gear, history, wildlife, weather.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:31] Erik: I really do like trivia.
[0:08:32 – 0:08:36] Erik: I’m kind of, you know, I think most people get a little bit of a kick out of it.
[0:08:38 – 0:08:42] Erik: I kind of responded and jokingly said, like, at this point, why not?
[0:08:42 – 0:08:45] Erik: The game is going to include everything.
[0:08:46 – 0:08:50] Adam: The best part about every game all mixed into one game about the best place in the world.
[0:08:51 – 0:08:51] Erik: Yep.
[0:08:51 – 0:08:55] Erik: The game to end all games, games, games, games, games.
[0:08:57 – 0:09:00] Erik: Thanks, Kyle.
[0:09:02 – 0:09:17] Erik: And then we also got a response from, if you remember last week, we got a response on, I think it was a Game Changer response where it was sort of just mentioned in there.
[0:09:18 – 0:09:19] Erik: And that was Beersbee.
[0:09:19 – 0:09:19] Erik: Beersbee.
[0:09:20 – 0:09:22] Adam: Yeah, that was… Was that last week or two weeks ago?
[0:09:23 – 0:09:23] Adam: Beersbee.
[0:09:23 – 0:09:24] Adam: Beersbee.
[0:09:24 – 0:09:25] Adam: We were stumped at the time.
[0:09:25 – 0:09:26] Erik: We were befuddled.
[0:09:27 – 0:09:27] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:09:27 – 0:09:28] Adam: I never heard of it.
[0:09:28 – 0:09:28] Adam: What’s that?
[0:09:29 – 0:09:29] Adam: Beersbee.
[0:09:29 – 0:09:30] Adam: What’s Beersbee?
[0:09:30 – 0:09:34] Adam: I thought it was Beer Rugby or something at the first mention, but it’s…
[0:09:35 – 0:09:35] Erik: Much better.
[0:09:36 – 0:09:37] Erik: Yeah, I had no idea.
[0:09:38 – 0:09:42] Erik: This was, I think it was the response was from Aldi1 on Reddit.
[0:09:43 – 0:09:51] Erik: And they did get in touch and sent along pictures of how Beersbee works along with an actual list of rules.
[0:09:52 – 0:09:59] Erik: And essentially what Beersbee is, which is crazy to me because we’re kind of into disc golf.
[0:10:00 – 0:10:02] Adam: I’m really into disc golf now.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:03] Erik: You’re kind of into it.
[0:10:03 – 0:10:04] Erik: Yeah, I’m kind of into it.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:05] Erik: You’re really into it.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:07] Erik: But you…
[0:10:08 – 0:10:10] Erik: Essentially, it’s frisbees.
[0:10:10 – 0:10:14] Erik: And I would say, to me, it kind of looks like…
[0:10:15 – 0:10:20] Erik: It’s like frisbee with horseshoes, except you can defend the frisbee.
[0:10:21 – 0:10:23] Erik: Because I think… You can defend it?
[0:10:23 – 0:10:26] Erik: I think if it goes past the…
[0:10:26 – 0:10:30] Erik: So what you’re trying to do is knock a beer, a glass of beer off of like a pedestal.
[0:10:30 – 0:10:32] Erik: And there’s two people on each team.
[0:10:33 – 0:10:38] Erik: And I think if it goes past the beer and it doesn’t knock it over, you can like catch the disc.
[0:10:38 – 0:10:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:10:39 – 0:10:43] Erik: And that was like part of the… Like you can…
[0:10:44 – 0:11:04] Erik: yeah defense is awarded three points if the object is knocked off the pole and is caught before hitting the ground um oh so yeah i think there’s multiple ways to score points i think if you like hit the pole and something is not caught it’s just like
[0:11:07 – 0:11:15] Erik: Well, we’ll, we’ll share the image here and you, you can all make sense of what beers be is, but immediately it made sense to me just by looking at the one picture that was sent along.
[0:11:16 – 0:11:16] Adam: Right, right.
[0:11:16 – 0:11:17] Adam: Essentially it’s.
[0:11:17 – 0:11:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:17 – 0:11:18] Adam: The picture.
[0:11:18 – 0:11:18] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:19 – 0:11:20] Adam: You’re trying to, I see what they’re doing.
[0:11:20 – 0:11:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:20 – 0:11:24] Erik: It’s like a, it’s like a drunk cricket with a disc.
[0:11:25 – 0:11:26] Adam: And let’s be clear.
[0:11:26 – 0:11:27] Adam: That’s a Frisbee.
[0:11:27 – 0:11:28] Adam: It’s not a disc.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:29] Erik: It’s a Frisbee, not a disc.
[0:11:29 – 0:11:30] Adam: What’s the difference?
[0:11:30 – 0:11:33] Adam: I’ve been asked and this is the answer.
[0:11:33 – 0:11:36] Adam: You play catch with a Frisbee and you throw a disc.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:37] Erik: That’s true.
[0:11:38 – 0:11:41] Erik: You definitely don’t play catch with a disc.
[0:11:41 – 0:11:42] Adam: Or maybe a putter.
[0:11:42 – 0:11:43] Adam: You can get away with that.
[0:11:43 – 0:11:45] Adam: You don’t want to be playing catch with a Grim Axe.
[0:11:47 – 0:11:49] Adam: Or, God forbid, a Rask.
[0:11:50 – 0:11:51] UNKNOWN: God forbid.
[0:11:52 – 0:11:57] Adam: Since we’re talking about discs, I got down and played White Cedar this week.
[0:11:58 – 0:12:00] Adam: That is a fine course.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:02] Adam: I hit a lot of trees.
[0:12:02 – 0:12:03] Erik: Yeah?
[0:12:03 – 0:12:03] Erik: Is that in Duluth?
[0:12:03 – 0:12:05] Adam: Yeah, it’s just outside Duluth at…
[0:12:07 – 0:12:09] Adam: Anybody who knows, well, knows where it is.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:10] Adam: It’s near Duluth.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:11] Adam: It’s a cool course.
[0:12:11 – 0:12:13] Adam: Go check it out if you haven’t played it.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:14] Adam: I highly recommend that course.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:19] Erik: Yeah, there’s also a little bit of a suggestion here from Aldi1.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:28] Erik: This one seems at this point truly, literally fantasy, which is the BWCA Fantasy League.
[0:12:28 – 0:12:29] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:33] Adam: I think we’ve determined that that is just… At best, we’re doing a March Madness bracket.
[0:12:33 – 0:12:34] Erik: That’s for sure happening.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:39] Erik: I have found some nice websites online that you can make your own brackets that people can vote on.
[0:12:39 – 0:12:40] Adam: We’ll get some ideas, though.
[0:12:41 – 0:12:44] Erik: Yeah, basically, it’s just, again, it’s just me and you versus each other.
[0:12:46 – 0:12:55] Erik: Pre-populated pool consisting of several categories like lakes, entry points, vistas, waterfalls, BWCA celebrities, etc.
[0:12:55 – 0:12:59] Erik: And then you run a poll on RBWCA.com.
[0:12:59 – 0:13:00] Adam: But do we reveal who has who?
[0:13:01 – 0:13:03] Erik: I don’t imagine that that would be very fair to do.
[0:13:03 – 0:13:07] Erik: No, I think we probably do that privately and then throw the question up in the poll.
[0:13:08 – 0:13:13] Erik: Although I don’t know how much advantage of our BWCA and want to take it, you know, that we already kind of are.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:18] Adam: I like the idea of having like the secret word of the episode, the secret word.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:20] Adam: Yeah, exactly.
[0:13:20 – 0:13:28] Adam: And we’re reading responses on Reddit and then yeah, whoever had paddle or whatever first gets, we just scream when we get to the word.
[0:13:29 – 0:13:31] Erik: Yeah, oh, it’s our secret word.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:37] Adam: We know the word, nobody else does, and then we write it down on a piece of paper before the episode starts, and then we start reading the responses.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:40] Erik: What if it’s just, does it have to be Bon Jovi’s adjacent?
[0:13:40 – 0:13:42] Erik: Can it be like mellifluous?
[0:13:42 – 0:13:43] Adam: Yeah, but nobody’s going to say that.
[0:13:43 – 0:13:45] Adam: But what happens if it does?
[0:13:45 – 0:13:51] Adam: Well, that would be like a show long, the entire arc of the entire show.
[0:13:51 – 0:13:53] Erik: Well, if it doesn’t happen in the episode, you reset the word.
[0:13:54 – 0:13:55] Erik: Some are easier than others.
[0:13:55 – 0:13:59] Adam: Well, yeah, that would be kind of neat though if it was a tough one where it only happened like once or twice a season.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:01] Erik: Right.
[0:14:01 – 0:14:02] Adam: We may or may not already be playing.
[0:14:02 – 0:14:04] Erik: And then we send them beer.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:05] Erik: All right.
[0:14:06 – 0:14:07] Erik: Flip it, turn it, and reverse it.
[0:14:07 – 0:14:09] Erik: Do you want to read this?
[0:14:09 – 0:14:12] Erik: This is from, let’s just say, because I don’t know.
[0:14:12 – 0:14:16] Erik: I can never tell if I want to say full names or whatever.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:18] Erik: I don’t mind giving away Reddit user names.
[0:14:18 – 0:14:24] Erik: This is from T. And I think you could probably start reading from where I’m at there.
[0:14:25 – 0:14:28] Erik: It’s a game changer correspondence.
[0:14:30 – 0:14:31] Adam: Holy moly.
[0:14:32 – 0:14:38] Adam: Unfortunately, I fell behind on my podcast and didn’t hear the request for game changers until it was too late.
[0:14:38 – 0:14:42] Adam: But this game changer is such a game changer, I had to share it with you anyway.
[0:14:43 – 0:14:44] Adam: How much has it changed our game?
[0:14:45 – 0:14:47] Adam: More than our Sawyer gravity water filter.
[0:14:47 – 0:14:48] Adam: More than a good saw.
[0:14:49 – 0:14:50] Adam: More than a Kevlar canoe.
[0:14:51 – 0:14:54] Adam: More than molten lava cakes baked on a campfire.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:56] Adam: More than all of those combined.
[0:14:57 – 0:14:57] Adam: What could it be?
[0:14:58 – 0:15:00] Adam: Dead bait fishing for lake trout.
[0:15:00 – 0:15:01] Adam: Okay.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:01] SPEAKER_01: Wow.
[0:15:02 – 0:15:32] Adam: there’s a nice picture here yeah the pictures provided seem to be uh seems like it’s working how could this be i am glad you asked as you know lake trout run the shorelines and bite aggressively until the water warms to over 55 degrees fahrenheit dead baiting is a great way to target these early season fish we have caught two lakers over 30 inches with this technique plus many in the 25 to 28 inch range and here’s the proof oh my god very nice looking fish there
[0:15:32 – 0:15:33] Adam: Oh, man.
[0:15:33 – 0:15:35] Adam: All right, here we go.
[0:15:36 – 0:15:38] Adam: Part two of the email.
[0:15:39 – 0:15:40] Adam: I’m looking at the pictures, though.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:41] Adam: I’ve got to catch my breath.
[0:15:43 – 0:15:47] Adam: Still catching a few nice fish isn’t enough to change the whole experience.
[0:15:47 – 0:15:50] Adam: Dead baiting from camp has changed the rest of the camping experience, too.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:52] Adam: Let me count the ways.
[0:15:52 – 0:15:57] Adam: One, we fish constantly from before breakfast until after dark, regardless of the weather.
[0:15:57 – 0:16:01] Adam: If the weather is bad, we’re able to enjoy time in camp under the tarp and by the fire.
[0:16:02 – 0:16:04] Adam: You only have to go out when you get a hit.
[0:16:05 – 0:16:07] Adam: No need to spend a rainy, windy day out in the canoe looking for dinner.
[0:16:08 – 0:16:08] Adam: 3.
[0:16:09 – 0:16:12] Adam: We’re able to catch fish early in the season before the bugs come out.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:13] Adam: 4.
[0:16:14 – 0:16:21] Adam: The laid-back approach gives us time to roast, even smoke fish over the fire, make great food, etc.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:23] Adam: 5.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:25] Adam: It goes great with base camping.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:29] Adam: Once you’ve found a campsite with lake trout right offshore, why would you leave?
[0:16:29 – 0:16:29] Erik: Yeah, why?
[0:16:31 – 0:16:36] Adam: Six, we get to eat fresh fish, fresh fire roasted lake trout.
[0:16:37 – 0:16:37] Adam: Yes, you do.
[0:16:39 – 0:16:40] Adam: Let me know if you’re interested in more.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:41] Adam: I can save right now.
[0:16:42 – 0:16:44] Adam: I’m definitely interested in more details.
[0:16:44 – 0:16:48] Adam: Let me know if you’re interested in more details on how we fish dead bait.
[0:16:48 – 0:16:52] Adam: Over the last 10 years, we’ve had some great years, some learning experiences.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:58] Adam: But through the highs and lows, I’ve managed to put together a pattern that produces lake trout from shore from the opener into June.
[0:16:59 – 0:17:05] Adam: I have a list of tricks for choosing the right campsite, rigging, rod reel choices, and packing bait.
[0:17:06 – 0:17:07] Adam: Thanks again for the podcast.
[0:17:08 – 0:17:12] Adam: Well, thank you for the… You got my mind a-whurring right now.
[0:17:12 – 0:17:14] Erik: You should start your own podcast.
[0:17:14 – 0:17:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:16] Erik: What would you call that one?
[0:17:16 – 0:17:17] Erik: Dead baiting.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:20] Adam: We got to have this guy on the show.
[0:17:20 – 0:17:21] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:22] Adam: Yeah, we fish.
[0:17:22 – 0:17:23] Adam: We’ve caught some fish.
[0:17:23 – 0:17:25] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:26] Adam: People are always asking us questions about fishing.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:30] Adam: I just feel like I have very general knowledge of fishing.
[0:17:30 – 0:17:33] Adam: I can catch a fish probably, but I’m no expert on fish.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:35] Adam: As we said, we’re enthusiasts at best.
[0:17:35 – 0:17:36] Adam: Generals?
[0:17:37 – 0:17:42] Adam: This person here looks like an expert on dead baiting for a lake trout.
[0:17:42 – 0:17:44] Erik: I would say expert for sure.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:46] Adam: It looks very promising.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:48] Adam: I am very intrigued.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:51] Erik: Maybe we’re going to get back into fishing?
[0:17:53 – 0:17:57] Adam: Well, I mean, dead bait for a lake trout in the winter…
[0:17:57 – 0:18:22] Adam: yeah yeah that’s basically the only kind of fishing it makes sense then it would work in the early season of open water yeah no i’ve heard of people doing that before too with just slip bobbers literally slip bobbers and like salted dead ciscos just yeah they didn’t really mention anything about slip bobbers though i’m guessing it’s some sort of like bottom bouncer rig weight i wonder if they leave the clicker open
[0:18:22 – 0:18:27] Adam: Ooh, I love, I’ve done that dead bait fishing for pike early in the season, just off a dock.
[0:18:28 – 0:18:33] Adam: You just take the bait caster out and you throw a dead bait right on the bottom and you just, it’s, you know, you got the braided line, heavy duty.
[0:18:33 – 0:18:38] Adam: And you just open the bail, but you have the clicker on, so the line can’t just go out.
[0:18:39 – 0:18:43] Adam: You’re just sitting there reading a book and all of a sudden it goes, click, click, click, click.
[0:18:45 – 0:18:46] Adam: You look, put the book down real quick.
[0:18:47 – 0:18:48] Adam: Click, click, click, click, click.
[0:18:49 – 0:18:51] Adam: Oh, and then it just starts going.
[0:18:52 – 0:18:54] Adam: Oh man, that’s a lot of fun.
[0:18:54 – 0:18:55] Adam: I love shore fishing.
[0:18:57 – 0:19:04] Erik: Yes, I think that is our preferred way to fish, which is probably still why we gravitate towards ice fishing and tip-up style fishing more than anything else.
[0:19:04 – 0:19:05] Adam: Yeah, I love it.
[0:19:06 – 0:19:07] Adam: Thank you for letting me read that email.
[0:19:08 – 0:19:11] Erik: I’m just going to finish up with one more email here.
[0:19:12 – 0:19:13] Erik: This is a long one.
[0:19:13 – 0:19:17] Erik: There is one section in here that is specifically about Game Changers.
[0:19:18 – 0:19:23] Erik: And I will just let you know, person, yes, we did get your beer.
[0:19:24 – 0:19:26] Erik: Um, I think it’s in the fridge.
[0:19:26 – 0:19:27] Erik: It’s just a matter of time.
[0:19:28 – 0:19:33] Erik: Hopefully we can get to most of these before the end of the season, but I don’t know that that’s going to happen.
[0:19:33 – 0:19:36] Erik: We’ve been discussing how we want to finish up season two.
[0:19:36 – 0:19:42] Erik: Um, and we’ll get back to you on that probably at the end of this episode and, and what we are thinking.
[0:19:43 – 0:19:44] Erik: Uh, game changers.
[0:19:44 – 0:19:47] Erik: This is from, uh, let’s say S uh,
[0:19:49 – 0:19:52] Erik: I know you already did the Game Changer episode, but I didn’t get a chance to chime in.
[0:19:53 – 0:19:56] Erik: So I just wanted to share with you some of my Game Changers.
[0:19:56 – 0:20:04] Erik: Hammock is a for sure, although I haven’t been able to use mine the last few trips because my girlfriend needs, that’s in quotes, me to sleep in the tent with her.
[0:20:04 – 0:20:05] Erik: That sounds familiar.
[0:20:09 – 0:20:11] Adam: Yeah, you don’t want to sleep two people in the hammock.
[0:20:11 – 0:20:12] Adam: That’s for sure.
[0:20:13 – 0:20:14] Adam: Can’t you just set up two hammocks real close?
[0:20:15 – 0:20:16] Erik: Yeah, we’ve done that before.
[0:20:16 – 0:20:16] Adam: Like, real close.
[0:20:16 – 0:20:17] Adam: Real close.
[0:20:17 – 0:20:18] Adam: You know what I’m saying?
[0:20:18 – 0:20:19] Erik: I know what you’re saying.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:20] Erik: All right.
[0:20:20 – 0:20:21] Erik: Instant coffee.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:21] Erik: Yes.
[0:20:23 – 0:20:26] Erik: That has almost taken over my day-to-day, like, just life.
[0:20:26 – 0:20:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:27 – 0:20:27] Adam: Instant coffee.
[0:20:28 – 0:20:30] Adam: Did instant coffee even make the Game Changer episode?
[0:20:31 – 0:20:35] Adam: I don’t know if anybody mentioned that one specifically, but we’ve talked about it.
[0:20:37 – 0:20:39] Adam: It’s the way to go, especially for Boundary Waters.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:39] Adam: Yes.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:42] Adam: I don’t know if it’s… Ditch the press, stir the crystal.
[0:20:43 – 0:20:44] Erik: I don’t know if it makes any difference.
[0:20:44 – 0:20:44] Erik: Ride the dragon.
[0:20:45 – 0:20:45] Erik: Ride the dragon.
[0:20:45 – 0:20:46] Erik: Chase the dragon.
[0:20:47 – 0:20:48] Erik: Just eat the crystals.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:49] Adam: Chew on them.
[0:20:49 – 0:20:50] Adam: You don’t even need water.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:55] Erik: Yeah, it’s maybe not a game changer, but it has changed my game.
[0:20:56 – 0:20:57] Adam: That makes sense.
[0:20:57 – 0:20:58] Adam: I know what you’re saying.
[0:20:59 – 0:21:02] Erik: A dry pair of shoes with dry wool socks to change into at camp.
[0:21:02 – 0:21:04] Erik: Yes, absolute must.
[0:21:04 – 0:21:06] Erik: At least something dry.
[0:21:06 – 0:21:10] Erik: Most of the times of the year, I put on the dry socks with the Chacos.
[0:21:10 – 0:21:10] Erik: I don’t care.
[0:21:10 – 0:21:12] Erik: That looks stupid, but whatever.
[0:21:13 – 0:21:14] Erik: You dweeb.
[0:21:14 – 0:21:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:17] Erik: Yeah, I was so sick of constantly having wet feet.
[0:21:18 – 0:21:21] Erik: If I had to always bring some dry camp shoes, yes, which should be an obvious one.
[0:21:21 – 0:21:27] Erik: But, you know, the Helinox chair, yes, I actually have an off-brand, but works just as good.
[0:21:28 – 0:21:28] Erik: It is a must.
[0:21:29 – 0:21:32] Erik: I don’t think I could go back to camping without something to lean into.
[0:21:34 – 0:21:35] Erik: And lastly, party lights.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:38] Erik: Love having lights in my tent or hammock.
[0:21:38 – 0:21:42] Erik: No need for headlamps when you have party lights.
[0:21:43 – 0:21:44] Erik: Heck yeah.
[0:21:45 – 0:21:46] Erik: Correspondence.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:48] Erik: Correspondence.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:50] Adam: Yeah, this week it’s brought to you by Corey.
[0:21:50 – 0:21:52] Adam: This has been Correspondence.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:53] Adam: Correspondence.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:55] Adam: Thanks, Corey.
[0:21:56 – 0:21:58] Adam: And thanks for everybody who sent us emails.
[0:21:59 – 0:21:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:59 – 0:22:00] Adam: Keep them coming.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:05] Adam: I enjoy the long-form format of an email, especially the ability to… Look at pictures.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:08] Adam: Attach a bunch of sweet Lake Trout pictures.
[0:22:08 – 0:22:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:09 – 0:22:14] Erik: And let’s just, since we’re on the topic of emails, do we want to just quickly get this out of the way?
[0:22:14 – 0:22:21] Erik: Because we’re probably going to mention it a couple of more times in terms of the season finale of season two.
[0:22:21 – 0:22:22] Erik: It’s a little…
[0:22:23 – 0:22:24] Erik: gray at this point.
[0:22:26 – 0:22:29] Erik: What a season is and what a season isn’t.
[0:22:29 – 0:22:31] Erik: We’ve been at this for over a year now.
[0:22:32 – 0:22:41] Erik: But I think that the open water paddling season kind of designates a season with the winter records being much more free-flowing.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:42] Erik: Maybe
[0:22:43 – 0:22:45] SPEAKER_01: Experimental.
[0:22:45 – 0:22:45] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[0:22:46 – 0:22:48] SPEAKER_01: Avant-garde podcasting.
[0:22:48 – 0:22:51] Erik: We’re going to get real avant-garde on you this winter.
[0:22:51 – 0:22:52] Erik: You never know what’s going to happen.
[0:22:53 – 0:22:54] Erik: Maybe they’ll come on on a Tuesday.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:56] Erik: Maybe it’ll be five minutes long.
[0:22:58 – 0:23:00] Adam: Maybe Annie Lennox will be here in person.
[0:23:00 – 0:23:04] Erik: Yeah, maybe Julia Louis-Dreyfus will be a guest speaker.
[0:23:04 – 0:23:05] Erik: Just her talking.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:07] Adam: About life.
[0:23:09 – 0:23:24] Erik: No, but the season finale, we were thinking, just based on the schedule we have going forward and what we still want to try to get in in the next few weeks, we’re going to throw up the season finale, which I think is always going to be the same.
[0:23:24 – 0:23:25] Adam: I think so, yeah.
[0:23:25 – 0:23:29] Erik: Highlights, lowlights of your open water paddling season, yours, ours.
[0:23:30 – 0:23:31] Erik: What did you learn?
[0:23:31 – 0:23:32] Erik: Anything, just thoughts.
[0:23:32 – 0:23:39] Erik: Keep the Boundary Waters on the topic of conversation, but it’s mostly the open water conversation.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:51] Erik: So basically, long story short, what we’re saying is we’re going to probably throw that question up like right before I leave for a month.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:58] Erik: And then the season two finale will essentially be the winter opener.
[0:23:59 – 0:24:06] Erik: So you don’t have to feel like you’re going to miss out on getting a response and maybe take a little bit of time.
[0:24:06 – 0:24:07] Adam: I think that was what we got to.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:10] Adam: It was like we’re kind of squeezing it for time.
[0:24:10 – 0:24:14] Adam: And it’s like it’d be better to just leave it up for a long time and then do it right.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:21] Adam: And if we come back and it ends up being three episodes worth of responses and conversation, then, well, that’s even better.
[0:24:22 – 0:24:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:22 – 0:24:23] Erik: Measure your thoughts.
[0:24:23 – 0:24:26] Erik: I know it’s at a certain point it’s black and white.
[0:24:26 – 0:24:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:26 – 0:24:32] Erik: We went on to a little sag, but at the same time, like there are some things that I learned from almost every trip I took.
[0:24:32 – 0:24:39] Erik: So, um, I want to give the listeners the opportunity to have themselves heard as well on that.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:45] Erik: So, um, you’ll see a few episodes coming out here, probably still up until pretty much November or
[0:24:45 – 0:24:53] Erik: But if you’re looking forward to a season two finale, probably won’t be closer to coming out until like December.
[0:24:53 – 0:24:56] Adam: But it’s going to be a real to-do.
[0:24:56 – 0:24:57] Erik: It’s going to be a whammo episode.
[0:24:58 – 0:24:59] Erik: Whatever that means.
[0:25:00 – 0:25:01] Adam: Whammo.
[0:25:01 – 0:25:02] Adam: That’s another Frisbee reference.
[0:25:02 – 0:25:02] Adam: They’re everywhere.
[0:25:03 – 0:25:04] Adam: They’re everywhere.
[0:25:04 – 0:25:07] Erik: We will mention it, I’m sure, again in the next few episodes.
[0:25:07 – 0:25:11] Erik: But just throwing that out there, some people prefer to respond in the form of an email.
[0:25:12 – 0:25:13] Adam: Especially for a big question like this.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:14] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:25:14 – 0:25:15] Adam: Maybe throw a few pictures in.
[0:25:15 – 0:25:16] Erik: Yeah, where have you been?
[0:25:17 – 0:25:17] Erik: Did you get out there?
[0:25:18 – 0:25:19] Erik: Even if it was just for a day trip.
[0:25:19 – 0:25:20] Adam: Attach an audio clip.
[0:25:21 – 0:25:22] Adam: Yeah, send us some pics.
[0:25:22 – 0:25:26] Adam: Explaining something or a track from one of your trips if you’re doing some audio of your own.
[0:25:26 – 0:25:28] Adam: Yep.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:33] Adam: I still can’t believe you and Tori are taking that hot air balloon trip for a whole month.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:35] Adam: Yeah, 30 days around the world.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:39] Erik: I don’t understand how you’re going to get all the way around in one month.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:40] Erik: Haven’t you seen the movie?
[0:25:41 – 0:25:41] Erik: No, I haven’t.
[0:25:42 – 0:25:44] Erik: Well, you should watch the movie and you’ll understand how and why.
[0:25:44 – 0:25:45] Erik: Okay.
[0:25:45 – 0:25:46] Erik: Seems a little dangerous.
[0:25:47 – 0:25:47] Erik: I mean.
[0:25:47 – 0:25:49] Erik: But, you know, you got to live on the edge.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:51] Erik: What’s the point of living if you’re not on the edge?
[0:25:51 – 0:25:54] Adam: Well, at least we know you’re going to take the field audio recorder, right?
[0:25:55 – 0:25:56] Adam: Yes, I will.
[0:25:57 – 0:25:57] SPEAKER_01: Look at that there.
[0:25:58 – 0:25:59] Erik: Look at that there.
[0:25:59 – 0:25:59] Erik: It’s the Sphinx.
[0:25:59 – 0:26:00] Erik: It’s the ocean.
[0:26:00 – 0:26:02] Erik: It’s all we’ve seen for the last eight days.
[0:26:05 – 0:26:14] Erik: I have to throw another little log on the fire here, and then we’re going to get to your responses to the question of the week.
[0:26:16 – 0:26:20] Erik: Talking about what you think makes for a good paddling partner.
[0:26:20 – 0:26:29] Erik: Moreover, what makes for good group dynamics within a party, spending multiple days and nights together in the BWCA.
[0:26:31 – 0:26:37] Erik: Of course, we want to hear about when the group dynamics on a trip didn’t work out so well, too.
[0:26:38 – 0:26:40] Adam: Oh, I kind of forgot about that last part of the question.
[0:26:40 – 0:26:42] Adam: Could be some interesting responses.
[0:26:43 – 0:26:56] Erik: Yeah, so we’re going to start with your responses, and then next week we will be back with our thoughts, especially, I mean, not to say that you don’t have as much to say on it, but on a day-to-day basis, I get to see those dynamics moving in and out of Clearwater.
[0:26:56 – 0:26:57] Erik: Sure.
[0:26:57 – 0:27:02] Erik: You get to see the faces on people on day one, and then the faces on day five.
[0:27:02 – 0:27:06] Erik: And sometimes what that looks like is surprising.
[0:27:06 – 0:27:10] Erik: So back after these messages…
[0:27:16 – 0:27:20] Adam: This podcast is brought to you by Spooky Bath Bombs.
[0:27:20 – 0:27:27] Adam: It’s the bath bomb with several hauntings and party lights in the center.
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[0:27:31 – 0:27:33] Adam: And now back to Tomahawk.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:34] SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes.
[0:27:34 – 0:27:35] SPEAKER_01: That’s nice.
[0:27:35 – 0:27:36] SPEAKER_01: Hehehehehehe!
[0:27:48 – 0:28:02] Erik: All right, we are back, finishing with some responses to the question of the week, which was posted a while back, but you know how we operate.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:03] Erik: We threw it up on Facebook.
[0:28:03 – 0:28:05] Erik: We had some people that were requesting that we do that more often.
[0:28:05 – 0:28:07] Erik: We’re going to try to do that.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:08] Erik: We’re getting better at it.
[0:28:09 – 0:28:11] Erik: And we’re going to start there.
[0:28:12 – 0:28:12] Erik: From…
[0:28:14 – 0:28:36] Erik: tuscarora lodge and canoe outfitters hey remember that guy who abandoned his tripping partner on poly lake in the summer of 2016 yes i sure do totally forgot about that oh boy uh i don’t know if we ever heard any other details yeah what were they fighting about i think it had been something serious yeah i think it was maybe some maybe they were foreign
[0:28:38 – 0:28:42] Erik: I think Sawbill and the U.S. Forest Service had to go and get him because his partner would not.
[0:28:43 – 0:28:45] Erik: They were arguing over politics.
[0:28:45 – 0:28:46] Erik: Maybe, yeah.
[0:28:46 – 0:28:47] Erik: I think Eric was at the cooperator meeting.
[0:28:47 – 0:28:49] Erik: I think I was, but I don’t know if I know.
[0:28:50 – 0:28:52] Erik: They didn’t give too many details on that story.
[0:28:53 – 0:28:55] Erik: And I would have shared them if I was him.
[0:28:55 – 0:28:55] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:56] Adam: You know I would have.
[0:28:57 – 0:28:59] Adam: They didn’t make you sign anything at that cooperator’s meeting.
[0:28:59 – 0:28:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:28:59 – 0:29:03] Erik: That’s the first thing that pops into my mind when it comes to bad group dynamics.
[0:29:04 – 0:29:05] Erik: Yeah, that’s about as bad as it gets.
[0:29:05 – 0:29:06] Adam: Ditching someone.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:08] Adam: Walking out of the woods.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:11] Adam: I like that this episode’s starting there.
[0:29:11 – 0:29:13] Adam: Surely it can’t get any worse than that.
[0:29:13 – 0:29:14] Adam: Yeah, that’s got to be the worst.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:16] Adam: The worst group dynamic possible.
[0:29:16 – 0:29:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:29:17 – 0:29:17] Adam: See ya.
[0:29:17 – 0:29:20] Adam: Leave your friend in the middle of the Boundary Waters.
[0:29:20 – 0:29:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:29:21 – 0:29:22] Adam: Yikes.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:27] Erik: Yeah, I totally forgot about that as even a possible group dynamic.
[0:29:28 – 0:29:28] UNKNOWN: That’s great.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:31] Adam: So what, are we saying people’s names or not?
[0:29:31 – 0:29:32] SPEAKER_01: First names?
[0:29:33 – 0:29:35] Erik: Yeah, just first names, I guess, on Facebook.
[0:29:36 – 0:29:37] Adam: This is on Facebook.
[0:29:37 – 0:29:38] Adam: Anybody can go look at the page.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:39] Adam: It’s public, right?
[0:29:39 – 0:29:40] Adam: It is public, yes.
[0:29:40 – 0:29:41] Adam: All right.
[0:29:41 – 0:29:41] Adam: Brian’s in.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:45] Adam: I’ve been fortunate enough to not have any trips that I thought went badly.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:49] Adam: The key for me is understanding expectations ahead of time.
[0:29:49 – 0:29:51] Adam: Is the trip a fishing trip with a base camp?
[0:29:52 – 0:29:55] Adam: Is it a trip of packing on the miles and rarely wetting a line?
[0:29:55 – 0:29:59] Adam: Are we going to sit back and relax around a board game and camp or go out exploring?
[0:30:00 – 0:30:04] Adam: Understanding what people are hoping for ahead of time helps eliminate disappointment once in the park.
[0:30:05 – 0:30:10] Adam: We did have a guy steal another guy’s sleep pad right out from under him on our first trip in the middle of the night.
[0:30:10 – 0:30:10] Adam: What?
[0:30:10 – 0:30:11] Adam: Jeez.
[0:30:12 – 0:30:15] Adam: Probably due to hill-induced sliding.
[0:30:15 – 0:30:16] Adam: Oh, yeah, I bet.
[0:30:17 – 0:30:19] Adam: But it’s still good for a laugh ribbing.
[0:30:21 – 0:30:24] Adam: Yeah, except for the guy who woke up on the ground.
[0:30:24 – 0:30:26] Erik: Yeah, boy, that’s interesting.
[0:30:26 – 0:30:27] Adam: I don’t know if you can blame the hill.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:35] Adam: As for what makes for a great partner, can’t beat the Energizer Bunny friend that I have.
[0:30:35 – 0:30:41] Adam: He sets the pace for our single portaging and has dominated quite a few portages when I’ve been sucking wind.
[0:30:41 – 0:30:44] Adam: Specifically the Zenith Illusionata portage without stopping.
[0:30:45 – 0:30:49] Adam: Setting our pace of one mile chunks on the Grand Portage between poses.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:49] Erik: Poses.
[0:30:50 – 0:30:51] Erik: Nice use of that word.
[0:30:51 – 0:30:56] Adam: I’d like to think I pick up the slack on the water and pre-trip planning logistics.
[0:30:56 – 0:31:02] Adam: All that said, I just got back from a trip with my brother and I’ll forever treasure the time I’ve spent in the park with family.
[0:31:03 – 0:31:04] Erik: Very nice response.
[0:31:04 – 0:31:05] Adam: Thumbs up.
[0:31:06 – 0:31:07] Adam: Did I not?
[0:31:08 – 0:31:08] Adam: Here you go.
[0:31:08 – 0:31:09] Adam: There you go.
[0:31:09 – 0:31:10] Adam: That’s two thumbs up now.
[0:31:10 – 0:31:10] Erik: Two thumbs up.
[0:31:10 – 0:31:11] Erik: Thanks, Brian.
[0:31:12 – 0:31:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:13 – 0:31:14] Adam: Yeah, no, I was allowed to say his name.
[0:31:15 – 0:31:15] Erik: Yes.
[0:31:15 – 0:31:16] Adam: Why am I so confused on this today?
[0:31:17 – 0:31:17] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:31:18 – 0:31:19] Erik: It’s the wind, I’ll tell you.
[0:31:19 – 0:31:20] Erik: It is windy out there.
[0:31:21 – 0:31:21] Erik: Boy, it is.
[0:31:23 – 0:31:24] Erik: It’s getting spooky out there.
[0:31:24 – 0:31:24] Erik: It is.
[0:31:25 – 0:31:27] Erik: Dark, windy, leaves are off the trees.
[0:31:27 – 0:31:28] Erik: It’s a spooky time of year.
[0:31:29 – 0:31:34] Erik: Boy, I tell you, I’ve been, I don’t know if I should save this for episode stern.
[0:31:35 – 0:31:37] Adam: Maybe just give a brief, the short version.
[0:31:37 – 0:31:41] Erik: I’ve been going back and watching some old time, quote unquote, classic horror movies.
[0:31:42 – 0:31:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:43 – 0:31:45] Erik: Boy, they’re, some of them are really hit or miss.
[0:31:45 – 0:31:45] Erik: I’ll tell you.
[0:31:45 – 0:31:47] Adam: Well, just save the rest of the thought.
[0:31:47 – 0:31:51] Adam: We should talk about spooky Halloween movies for sure on that episode.
[0:31:51 – 0:31:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:52 – 0:31:53] Erik: Well, this is from Amanda.
[0:31:54 – 0:32:02] Erik: When I was 19, I went to the BWCA with a friend, his family, who went annually, and our awesome group of friends.
[0:32:02 – 0:32:07] Erik: We worked hard, played hard, and did it again a few summers later.
[0:32:07 – 0:32:14] Erik: There were moments, but in the long view, it was a bucket list week, both times, that I didn’t even know I needed to list.
[0:32:15 – 0:32:42] Erik: yay for tang and vodka hey plenty of fish to fry blueberries picked while paddling and no other humans for a week with perspective it’s all wonderful there you go what is that a vodka cannonball with perspective that could be the name of this episode you know really at the end of the day is it really that bad is it really that good with perspective it can be anything and it can all be wonderful
[0:32:43 – 0:32:47] Erik: Got a couple of more responses on the Facebook here.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:48] Adam: All right.
[0:32:49 – 0:32:50] Adam: Jennifer’s in with a response.
[0:32:50 – 0:32:53] Adam: This is why I do not bring my redheaded husband.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:09] Erik: Crying laughing emoji?
[0:33:09 – 0:33:11] Adam: Crying laughing emoji.
[0:33:12 – 0:33:15] Adam: We once had a faulty water purification system.
[0:33:15 – 0:33:22] Adam: Let’s just say we dubbed our drink Chipotle Tang after having to boil over a smoky fire.
[0:33:23 – 0:33:25] Adam: That’s a whole other way to enjoy Tang.
[0:33:25 – 0:33:26] Erik: Very nice.
[0:33:26 – 0:33:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:31] Adam: Well, that one got two thumbs up.
[0:33:32 – 0:33:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:33 – 0:33:35] Erik: Yeah, that’s a very nice response there.
[0:33:35 – 0:33:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:36 – 0:33:37] Adam: You got to roll with the punches, though.
[0:33:37 – 0:33:44] Adam: I think that’s a big part of it for me, at least, is you got to get somebody that’s going to roll with the punches.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:46] Adam: That’s the best way to say it.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:47 – 0:33:48] Adam: The park does punch.
[0:33:49 – 0:33:49] Erik: For sure.
[0:33:49 – 0:33:57] Erik: I don’t remember what episode it was, but I do remember the quote from somebody, embrace the suck.
[0:33:58 – 0:34:01] Erik: If you’re with a bunch of people and you can all embrace it when it’s –
[0:34:02 – 0:34:05] Adam: I felt I was embracing the suck on the Grand Portage this year.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:07] Erik: Oh, yeah, you more than embraced it.
[0:34:08 – 0:34:08] Adam: I was very stoic.
[0:34:09 – 0:34:11] Adam: More than my usual self, stoicism.
[0:34:12 – 0:34:12] Adam: Yes.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:14] Adam: I was pretty stoic, though.
[0:34:14 – 0:34:16] Adam: I was proud of myself at the end of that one.
[0:34:16 – 0:34:17] Adam: You should be.
[0:34:17 – 0:34:22] Erik: I just went on with a light bear barrel, nothing else.
[0:34:23 – 0:34:27] Adam: I hope when you go on that hot air balloon trip that there’s going to be some elocutions from the air.
[0:34:29 – 0:34:32] Erik: Yeah, maybe I will bring the field recorder and get some air allocutions.
[0:34:33 – 0:34:33] Erik: Interesting.
[0:34:33 – 0:34:34] Erik: Airics.
[0:34:34 – 0:34:39] SPEAKER_01: Airicutions.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:43] Adam: You should definitely change the spelling of your name to start with the word air.
[0:34:44 – 0:34:45] Adam: A-I-R-I-K-S.
[0:34:49 – 0:34:51] Adam: Yeah, definitely K. That’s correct.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:54] Adam: Well, for sure, K. Eric’s Elocutions.
[0:34:55 – 0:34:56] Adam: All right.
[0:34:57 – 0:35:00] Erik: This last one here is… Are we going to remix this?
[0:35:02 – 0:35:05] Erik: Eric’s Elocutions.
[0:35:07 – 0:35:07] Erik: From Ethan.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:12] Erik: Group members are a huge part of a trip and how it goes.
[0:35:12 – 0:35:19] Erik: When we take new people, we make sure they understand as best they can what they’re in for, both good and perceived bad.
[0:35:20 – 0:35:26] Erik: Out of our overall friends, probably 10% to 20% would fit the bill for a good group addition.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:29] Erik: No, that is very low.
[0:35:29 – 0:35:30] Erik: But accurate.
[0:35:30 – 0:35:32] Adam: But probably pretty accurate.
[0:35:32 – 0:35:34] Adam: I love putting numbers.
[0:35:34 – 0:35:35] Adam: I love percentages, yes.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:40] Erik: Had some Boy Scout trips back in the day where we didn’t have a choice.
[0:35:40 – 0:35:43] Erik: Turns out, didn’t ever come back.
[0:35:43 – 0:35:44] Erik: And we’re all better for it.
[0:35:45 – 0:35:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:45 – 0:35:50] Erik: Those are, yeah, you’re coming on this Boundary Waters trip whether you like it or not, Bobby.
[0:35:50 – 0:35:51] Erik: All right.
[0:35:51 – 0:35:51] Erik: Yep.
[0:35:52 – 0:35:54] Erik: That’s probably the last time you’re going to see Bobby out in the park.
[0:35:54 – 0:35:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:55 – 0:35:57] Adam: Got to make it think like it was his idea.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:58] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:59 – 0:35:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:00 – 0:36:04] Erik: How many people would you, what percentage of the general population would you say is attractive?
[0:36:07 – 0:36:08] Erik: I don’t know, 5%, 10%?
[0:36:08 – 0:36:08] Erik: What?
[0:36:09 – 0:36:10] Erik: At least 40%.
[0:36:11 – 0:36:11] Erik: 40%?
[0:36:11 – 0:36:16] Erik: I think we’re off the Seinfeld script at this point.
[0:36:17 – 0:36:18] Erik: Or are we?
[0:36:19 – 0:36:21] Adam: This is a new script.
[0:36:21 – 0:36:22] Erik: This is a new script.
[0:36:22 – 0:36:25] Erik: Yeah, so those are the responses from Facebook.
[0:36:25 – 0:36:25] Erik: Thank you.
[0:36:26 – 0:36:26] Erik: That was all of them, huh?
[0:36:26 – 0:36:28] Erik: Facebook friends.
[0:36:28 – 0:36:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:31 – 0:36:32] Erik: We’re going to move on to the…
[0:36:35 – 0:36:36] Erik: Do they have a name?
[0:36:38 – 0:36:38] Erik: What?
[0:36:38 – 0:36:41] Erik: The RBWCA responders.
[0:36:42 – 0:36:44] Erik: Everybody that listens are tumble homies.
[0:36:44 – 0:36:44] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:45 – 0:36:47] Adam: They’re especially tumble homies though.
[0:36:47 – 0:36:49] Erik: Well, there’s some people who don’t like Reddit.
[0:36:50 – 0:36:51] Erik: They want to just use Facebook.
[0:36:51 – 0:36:53] Erik: There’s some people that just send emails.
[0:36:54 – 0:36:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:56 – 0:36:58] Adam: But nobody sends voice messages.
[0:36:58 – 0:36:58] Erik: No, I don’t even know.
[0:36:59 – 0:37:02] Erik: Like, I really should check to see if that even exists anymore.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:04] Erik: People are probably like, yeah, I tried calling.
[0:37:04 – 0:37:06] Erik: It doesn’t exist because you haven’t been keeping up with it.
[0:37:07 – 0:37:08] Erik: That’s probably the most likely scenario.
[0:37:09 – 0:37:13] Erik: This voicemail box has not been updated or it’s full or something.
[0:37:13 – 0:37:14] Adam: No way.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:14] Erik: Isn’t that?
[0:37:16 – 0:37:17] Erik: All right.
[0:37:17 – 0:37:21] Erik: So we’ve had conversations about just people that I don’t understand or get.
[0:37:21 – 0:37:25] Erik: And for whatever reason, I think it was about the same time of year last year, we were talking about…
[0:37:26 – 0:37:31] Erik: This is when we were recording in the parking lot of the library…
[0:37:31 – 0:37:31] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:37:31 – 0:37:34] Adam: That was one of the all-time classic episodes.
[0:37:34 – 0:37:36] Erik: And that vehicle that PT Cruiser went by.
[0:37:36 – 0:37:38] Adam: That PT Cruiser with no back window.
[0:37:38 – 0:37:44] Erik: And you could tell it was like, that’s just the world they live in with the permanently plastic bag taped up window.
[0:37:45 – 0:37:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:37:45 – 0:37:52] Erik: I feel like you could put those people up in the same conversation of like WTF as…
[0:37:53 – 0:38:19] Erik: the voicemail box you’re trying to call is full but they have like a voicemail like hey this is such and such sorry and then you can’t leave a message because it’s full that’s mon that’s like a monstrous thing to do especially if you have your number out there where you are expected to be available yeah yeah how do you let your voicemail box get full i don’t know i how is it even possible i can’t remember the last time somebody left me a voicemail though
[0:38:20 – 0:38:22] Erik: Yeah, I mean, just don’t set one up.
[0:38:23 – 0:38:23] Erik: I get that.
[0:38:24 – 0:38:24] Erik: You’ll call somebody.
[0:38:24 – 0:38:27] Erik: It’s like, this voicemail box has not been set up.
[0:38:28 – 0:38:28] Erik: Okay, fine.
[0:38:28 – 0:38:30] Erik: You don’t want people leaving you messages.
[0:38:30 – 0:38:37] Adam: I found out like a year into my current job that apparently I do have a voicemail box.
[0:38:37 – 0:38:38] Adam: Where?
[0:38:38 – 0:38:39] Adam: At work.
[0:38:39 – 0:38:40] Adam: Oh, really?
[0:38:40 – 0:38:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:42] Adam: I didn’t know about this.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:43] Adam: Uh-oh.
[0:38:43 – 0:38:44] Erik: Yours is probably full.
[0:38:45 – 0:39:10] Adam: yeah i still don’t know how to check it don’t leave me a voicemail i’m gonna call email me voicemail yeah i don’t know um i guess i would leave a voicemail but i i can’t remember the last time i’ve actually gotten a voicemail or checked one you can’t i can’t remember the last time i actually willingly answered the phone like if it was not a number i you know so you’re basically the opposite of me
[0:39:10 – 0:39:34] Adam: yeah i don’t ever answer well at work i’ll answer the phone i have that’s part of the job but i’m just saying my personal phone yeah well if it rings and it’s not a number that’s in there i’m not answering yeah why would anybody answer a number that’s not in their address book lonely i don’t know hello nuts who’s this speaking of reddit i saw on reddit the other day it was like on one of the bernie reddits and it was like
[0:39:35 – 0:39:40] Adam: Bernie would be doing better in the polls if any of his voters actually answered the phone.
[0:39:41 – 0:39:42] Adam: Guilty as charged.
[0:39:42 – 0:39:43] Adam: Guilty as charged.
[0:39:43 – 0:39:48] Adam: Yeah, I don’t answer the phone unless it’s like my mother or you.
[0:39:48 – 0:39:49] Adam: When have I called you ever?
[0:39:49 – 0:39:49] Adam: Never.
[0:39:50 – 0:39:51] Erik: I don’t have a cell phone.
[0:39:52 – 0:39:52] Adam: I wish you did.
[0:39:52 – 0:39:53] Adam: I wish you did.
[0:39:53 – 0:39:54] Adam: We could talk more.
[0:39:54 – 0:39:55] Adam: We could talk more, yeah.
[0:39:55 – 0:39:57] Erik: Hey Adam, I’m just driving up from town.
[0:39:57 – 0:39:58] Adam: Yeah, what’s she doing?
[0:39:58 – 0:39:59] Erik: What are you doing?
[0:39:59 – 0:40:00] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:40:00 – 0:40:02] Erik: Getting ready to come over and see you.
[0:40:03 – 0:40:03] Erik: Oh, cool.
[0:40:04 – 0:40:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:05 – 0:40:05] Erik: All right.
[0:40:05 – 0:40:06] Erik: Can we get some beer?
[0:40:08 – 0:40:09] Erik: There’s your mid-episode ramble.
[0:40:11 – 0:40:12] Adam: We can take a break.
[0:40:13 – 0:40:14] Erik: Another break?
[0:40:14 – 0:40:15] Adam: Yeah, I got to go stoke the fire.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:16] Erik: All right.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:18] Adam: All right, we’ll be back after this message.
[0:40:20 – 0:40:27] Erik: From the makers of spooky bath bombs comes haunted black flavored bath salts.
[0:40:29 – 0:40:30] Erik: They’ll make you go crazy.
[0:40:31 – 0:40:34] Erik: Have you ever wanted to know what a chewed up eyeball tasted like?
[0:40:34 – 0:40:35] Erik: Try.
[0:40:35 – 0:40:39] Erik: Who’s the brand?
[0:40:39 – 0:40:40] Erik: Spooky brand.
[0:40:40 – 0:40:41] Erik: Spooky brand.
[0:40:41 – 0:40:43] Erik: Black seasoned bath salts.
[0:40:44 – 0:40:46] Erik: It’ll make you want to taste human flesh.
[0:40:49 – 0:40:55] Adam: Yeah, 75 episodes in, and I don’t know where these ads are coming from.
[0:40:55 – 0:40:57] Erik: We’re finally getting sponsored.
[0:40:57 – 0:40:58] Adam: The money, baby.
[0:40:58 – 0:40:59] Adam: Oh, the money.
[0:40:59 – 0:41:01] Adam: I’ll take that Spooky Brand money all day.
[0:41:01 – 0:41:02] Adam: Thank you.
[0:41:02 – 0:41:05] Adam: Thank you to the Spooky Brand bath salts and bath bombs.
[0:41:05 – 0:41:08] Erik: We have not looked into their history, whether they’re a good company or not.
[0:41:08 – 0:41:10] Erik: I’m sure they’re fine.
[0:41:10 – 0:41:14] Erik: A dump truck full of cash just kind of showed up one day.
[0:41:14 – 0:41:15] Erik: I’m not going to say no.
[0:41:15 – 0:41:17] Adam: Yeah, you can buy a lot of beer with that cash.
[0:41:17 – 0:41:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:44] Erik: So we are going to finish this episode up with our thoughts, personal elocutions on the question of the week because holy moly hot dog, we checked in on Reddit and there is an avalanche of responses there.
[0:41:44 – 0:41:46] Erik: True to our word.
[0:41:46 – 0:41:52] Adam: We have not read the responses until recording day, and there’s a lot of responses.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:53] Adam: We don’t want to rush.
[0:41:54 – 0:41:54] Erik: No.
[0:41:54 – 0:42:02] Adam: We were kind of thinking it would be a two-part episode anyway, so I guess it just makes more sense to wrap this one up.
[0:42:02 – 0:42:27] Adam: now uh which we gotta we got some things to say i do eric has some things to say well i don’t i mean i think i hinted at it but and then episode 76 i think we’ll come back and and uh the bulk of that episode then can be focused on our our good friends over at bwca reddit because they they have a full episode worth of responses to what makes a good paddling partner
[0:42:28 – 0:42:30] Adam: Yeah, which… We don’t want to shortchange them.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:31] Erik: No, I don’t.
[0:42:31 – 0:42:32] Erik: I feel like we would.
[0:42:33 – 0:42:37] Erik: And you did mention that our last episode was all dang near two hours long.
[0:42:37 – 0:42:38] Adam: It was.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:40] Adam: I’ve been trying to finish that one.
[0:42:41 – 0:42:44] Erik: That was our first E. Moving up.
[0:42:44 – 0:42:46] Erik: Our first little E next to the episode.
[0:42:47 – 0:42:47] Erik: Oh.
[0:42:48 – 0:42:54] Erik: Which I figured, I listened to it and I left it on purpose because if you haven’t listened to it or if you have.
[0:42:54 – 0:42:56] Erik: That one had a few loon bleeps.
[0:42:56 – 0:43:01] Erik: Yes, but it was also one that was non-loon bleeped, which was left on purpose.
[0:43:01 – 0:43:24] Erik: oh because that’s how cold it is up here it’s quite quite cold yeah yeah i don’t i didn’t catch that was the e yeah there’s an e oh okay at least on itunes isn’t he i didn’t it didn’t bother me yeah i mean i kind of felt sort of maybe like it kind of after 73 episodes you’re used to that not being there but
[0:43:26 – 0:43:27] Erik: I’m sorry.
[0:43:27 – 0:43:29] Adam: So anyways, that one was long.
[0:43:29 – 0:43:35] Adam: I was like listening to it on my way back and forth to work the last couple of days and driving over here to record tonight.
[0:43:36 – 0:43:40] Adam: And I’m like a minute away from finishing the moving up here episode.
[0:43:41 – 0:43:41] Erik: One minute away?
[0:43:42 – 0:43:44] Erik: Nothing really ever happens in the last minute.
[0:43:44 – 0:43:45] Adam: Oh, that’s on the real magic.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:47] Erik: It’s basically just you trying to say goodbye.
[0:43:47 – 0:43:48] Erik: I can’t.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:49] Erik: I can’t ever say goodbye.
[0:43:49 – 0:43:49] Erik: Goodbye.
[0:43:50 – 0:43:50] SPEAKER_01: Bye then.
[0:43:50 – 0:43:50] SPEAKER_01: If you’re touching.
[0:43:53 – 0:43:53] Adam: So yeah.
[0:43:55 – 0:44:23] Erik: um let’s finish up with our thoughts on the matter and i think it’s a fun conversation and a shout out to friend of the show frequent beer donator paul we had a conversation this last summer in one of his many visits to clear water about um this topic uh we we talked in uh i wouldn’t say great length but good length um about how it can make or break a trip a lot of times um
[0:44:24 – 0:44:43] Erik: Based on my experiences personally, whether I’m out there with people, friends, family, participants, I believe is what the dog sledding outfit that I used to work for called people that we guided.
[0:44:43 – 0:44:44] Erik: Participants?
[0:44:44 – 0:44:45] Erik: Participants.
[0:44:45 – 0:44:46] Adam: Do they have to sign a waiver?
[0:44:47 – 0:44:48] Erik: Yeah, of course.
[0:44:50 – 0:44:50] Adam: Why wouldn’t they?
[0:44:51 – 0:44:51] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:44:51 – 0:44:52] Adam: I guess that makes sense.
[0:44:52 – 0:44:53] Erik: You’ve been dog sledding, right?
[0:44:53 – 0:44:54] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:44:54 – 0:44:54] Erik: Dangerous.
[0:44:54 – 0:44:56] Erik: It’s way more dangerous than going to it.
[0:44:56 – 0:44:59] Adam: I had to sign a waiver to play white cedar the other day.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:02] Adam: I was like, I don’t remember doing this last time.
[0:45:02 – 0:45:04] Adam: They’re like, it’s always been the policy.
[0:45:04 – 0:45:06] Adam: Just in case a limb comes off a tree or something?
[0:45:06 – 0:45:06] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:45:06 – 0:45:07] Adam: And we did see it.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:08] Adam: It was really windy.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:10] Adam: We saw a large branch come down.
[0:45:10 – 0:45:11] Adam: Saw a man blow away.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:12] Erik: Sheesh.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:13] Erik: Sheesh.
[0:45:13 – 0:45:13] Erik: All right.
[0:45:13 – 0:45:15] Erik: Well, I guess we’re screwed.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:16] Erik: We signed the waiver.
[0:45:17 – 0:45:18] Adam: Yeah.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:21] Adam: If you’re going to ride the chairlift, you’re going to sign the waiver, buddy.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:28] Erik: So, you know, I think we both have the same level of experience in terms of like that feeling of what a good trip makes.
[0:45:30 – 0:45:31] Erik: out on the water in the boundary waters.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:34] Erik: And we’ve talked about this in a lot of different ways.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:52] Erik: But I feel like as an outfitter, you see that dynamic, that relationship, like what’s going on here in way, in many more ways than I get the personal experience to actually be able to interpret.
[0:45:52 – 0:45:58] Erik: So like you see a big group of like seven or eight outfitter
[0:45:58 – 0:46:14] Erik: kids who are all figuring it out where you see like the one guy who’s trying to wrangle eight newbies where you get the, the couple who’s like kind of trying to do like a date thing.
[0:46:14 – 0:46:15] Adam: Oh, the romance trip.
[0:46:15 – 0:46:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:16 – 0:46:27] Erik: Or like the group of guys where it’s like, okay, still totally can fall to pieces if some things don’t happen.
[0:46:27 – 0:46:33] Erik: So there’s like across the board, you just see the interesting kinds of groups that show up.
[0:46:33 – 0:46:38] Erik: And there’s still even some that fall between the cracks where you’re like, what is…
[0:46:39 – 0:46:40] Erik: I don’t understand this group.
[0:46:41 – 0:46:41] Erik: Do you guys get this group?
[0:46:42 – 0:46:43] Erik: Yeah, what’s going on here?
[0:46:44 – 0:46:46] Erik: In the kitchen at Clearwater, like, what’s this?
[0:46:46 – 0:46:48] Erik: These guys’ story.
[0:46:48 – 0:46:51] Erik: I can’t put my finger on, like, what kind of a group is this?
[0:46:52 – 0:46:54] Erik: Like, I can tell there’s that one couple.
[0:46:54 – 0:46:55] Erik: They seem like they’re a couple.
[0:46:55 – 0:46:58] Erik: But then there’s, like, a random stray group.
[0:46:59 – 0:47:18] Erik: kid kind of he’s got like he’s got a beard i don’t know so like just seeing on a day-to-day basis just the vast like variety and then you know when you’re out in the park too you actually get to see like weird what was that you know like that’s part of the yeah oh
[0:47:18 – 0:47:27] Erik: Totally part of the fun is seeing those odd or like they got it figured out on both ends of the spectrum.
[0:47:29 – 0:47:35] Erik: I think with anything else that we’ve talked about on this show, this is probably as subjective of a matter as any other.
[0:47:36 – 0:47:40] Erik: If it makes you happy and if it works for you, then who are we?
[0:47:41 – 0:47:44] Adam: We’re just enthusiasts who get to talk into microphones.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:45] Adam: It doesn’t really…
[0:47:46 – 0:48:13] Erik: There’s not really a for sure way to do it, but I would say myself personally on trips that I’ve been on and what I have seen at Clearwater going out with smiles on the face or faces and coming back with either very tense car rides if there’s a shuttle involved or I’ve seen it where there are downright
[0:48:15 – 0:48:30] Erik: shouting matches in the parking lot those are rare yeah but i’ve seen it um i think and it’s been hinted at already by some of the responses on on facebook and this is probably more than anything else just a general conversation on how to
[0:48:32 – 0:48:49] Erik: treat others on any kind of a trip and for me the biggest thing is communicating expectations right that’s about it that get brian hit on that uh right away on facebook yeah i’m gonna be clear on like what the goal of the trip is
[0:48:49 – 0:48:56] Erik: Yes, and not necessarily what the goal of the trip is, but communicating that the Bangewaters is what it is.
[0:48:57 – 0:49:00] Erik: If you have something that you want to be the goal, then that’s fine.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:02] Erik: Then that should be the goal.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:06] Erik: But communicating throughout that…
[0:49:07 – 0:49:31] Erik: okay maybe that goal has changed somewhat slightly maybe we won’t reach that goal for a day later or maybe we reached it early a day early you know like on the guided trips it’s usually the way that i go about things is saying you know unless they’re very specific where they just say no we want to go to this lake and camp for three days and just sit there like okay well that’s
[0:49:33 – 0:49:34] Erik: That’s the goal.
[0:49:34 – 0:49:35] Adam: Did you bring dead bait?
[0:49:36 – 0:49:37] Adam: I hope you brought some dead bait.
[0:49:37 – 0:49:38] Adam: Did you bring dead bait?
[0:49:38 – 0:49:40] Adam: Well, I have some, but not enough for everybody.
[0:49:40 – 0:49:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:42 – 0:49:54] Erik: It’s hard to argue with, you know, as a guide, like, well, that’s what they want, you know, where the dynamics of a group come into play is when a bunch of different people want different things.
[0:49:55 – 0:49:59] Adam: Yeah, and they’re all up there on their own accord, taking their own free time to do the trip.
[0:50:00 – 0:50:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:50:00 – 0:50:01] Adam: Yeah.
[0:50:01 – 0:50:04] Adam: Not everybody’s idea of the vacation can be the same.
[0:50:04 – 0:50:06] Adam: I could see that being the main issue of problems.
[0:50:07 – 0:50:08] Erik: That’s usually the main issue.
[0:50:08 – 0:50:21] Erik: Anytime I’ve ever seen or heard of issues, whether it’s even leading up to a trip going out where there’ll be a group in the outfitting room and the majority of them leaves, there’ll be one guy who’s like, oh, man.
[0:50:21 – 0:50:22] Erik: there’s one person.
[0:50:22 – 0:50:24] Erik: He’s just like, he wants to get to this spot.
[0:50:24 – 0:50:25] Erik: If he doesn’t get there, it’s going to ruin his trip.
[0:50:26 – 0:50:27] Erik: I’m just on vacation.
[0:50:27 – 0:50:28] Erik: I’m going with the flow.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:36] Erik: And it’s like, okay, well, thanks for, you know, relaying that information to me, but that sounds like a problem within your group.
[0:50:36 – 0:50:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:50:36 – 0:50:38] Adam: That you might want to be on the trip with you.
[0:50:38 – 0:50:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:50:38 – 0:50:39] Erik: I can’t do anything about that.
[0:50:39 – 0:50:40] Erik: I get it.
[0:50:40 – 0:50:48] Erik: Sometimes I feel like that, but sometimes I feel like the guy you’re talking about where it’s like, we kind of have to get to this place if that’s what we all want.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:54] Erik: But for the most part, get everybody on the same page like we’re going to try to do this.
[0:50:55 – 0:50:58] Erik: If it doesn’t work out, we’ll do it this way.
[0:50:59 – 0:51:01] Erik: And keep that conversation happening throughout the trip.
[0:51:02 – 0:51:09] Erik: I think the last guided trip I did was, for myself personally, the best example of it where –
[0:51:09 – 0:51:14] Erik: Every day, if not multiple times a day, we were talking about like, you know, how are we feeling?
[0:51:15 – 0:51:16] Erik: It looks like the weather’s going to do this.
[0:51:17 – 0:51:18] Erik: What do we think we’re capable of?
[0:51:19 – 0:51:21] Erik: How much fishing do we want to do?
[0:51:22 – 0:51:24] Erik: How much moving do we want to do?
[0:51:24 – 0:51:27] Erik: It seems like the wind’s going to pick up on this day.
[0:51:28 – 0:51:29] Erik: Maybe we should try to push a little bit.
[0:51:30 – 0:51:31] Erik: Keep that conversation moving.
[0:51:34 – 0:51:39] Adam: That’s why I feel like it’s best to just not have a real strict outline.
[0:51:40 – 0:51:42] Adam: It’s good to keep things loose.
[0:51:43 – 0:51:44] Adam: Just have a loose outline.
[0:51:45 – 0:51:46] Adam: I don’t want to be on an itinerary.
[0:51:49 – 0:51:58] Erik: Yeah, and that’s the conversation that has kind of been a through line, I would say, these last few months.
[0:51:58 – 0:52:07] Erik: Campsite questions, which is why I would completely take away from the fun of the Bajewaters to have reservable campsites.
[0:52:07 – 0:52:12] Adam: I’ve met a lot of people where I feel like they would like to have a set itinerary.
[0:52:13 – 0:52:15] Adam: We’ve got to try and go for this campsite and this day and this.
[0:52:16 – 0:52:24] Adam: Sure, I’ve always got a couple ideas in my mind, but I’ve just learned that it’s better to just be flexible.
[0:52:24 – 0:52:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:52:25 – 0:52:30] Adam: So I guess that would be my main thing in a paddling partner, my main thing.
[0:52:33 – 0:52:35] Adam: Not a requirement.
[0:52:36 – 0:52:41] Adam: It’s just, ideally, you’re going to be going on a trip with somebody who’s willing to be flexible.
[0:52:42 – 0:52:42] Erik: Right.
[0:52:42 – 0:52:47] Adam: Because I’m not the kind of person that wants to be on a set minute-by-minute schedule.
[0:52:48 – 0:52:48] Erik: Yeah, no.
[0:52:49 – 0:52:56] Erik: And you could say that, again, the Bajau Waters, I think, heightens the dynamics of travel with anybody.
[0:52:57 – 0:52:59] Erik: You could say that if you’re flying to…
[0:53:01 – 0:53:04] Erik: Across the world on the top of a hot air balloon, you know.
[0:53:05 – 0:53:06] Adam: You’re going to ride on top of the balloon?
[0:53:06 – 0:53:11] Erik: Yeah, this isn’t, I mean, they do hot air balloons differently now, man.
[0:53:11 – 0:53:12] Erik: You ride on top.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:14] Adam: Modern hot air balloons.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:17] Erik: Yeah, and you can, you climb down into the actual balloon.
[0:53:17 – 0:53:19] Adam: Is this more of a dirigible?
[0:53:21 – 0:53:22] Adam: Ding, ding, ding.
[0:53:23 – 0:53:25] Adam: That’s the word of the week.
[0:53:25 – 0:53:26] Adam: Dirigible.
[0:53:26 – 0:53:28] Erik: You don’t get to get your own word of the week.
[0:53:28 – 0:53:29] Erik: You said it on purpose.
[0:53:29 – 0:53:30] Adam: Now I ruined it.
[0:53:30 – 0:53:31] Erik: Man.
[0:53:31 – 0:53:32] Adam: Now we got to pick a new word.
[0:53:32 – 0:53:34] Erik: How do you… Oh, we weren’t actually going to read any more responses this week.
[0:53:34 – 0:53:37] Erik: So we’ll… Next week, we’re going to reset it.
[0:53:37 – 0:53:39] Erik: We got our own word of the week.
[0:53:39 – 0:53:39] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:39 – 0:53:41] Adam: For episode 76, we’ll have one set.
[0:53:41 – 0:53:45] Erik: Kind of cheating a little bit if you ask me, but… Because you know what kind of a vacation I’m going on.
[0:53:47 – 0:53:49] Erik: To set that just to get it for yourself…
[0:53:51 – 0:53:52] Adam: Anyway, it doesn’t count.
[0:53:52 – 0:53:53] Adam: Come back to it.
[0:53:53 – 0:53:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:53:54 – 0:54:00] Erik: But, you know, the communication of things, I think, is, you know, like the just as some some examples.
[0:54:02 – 0:54:07] Erik: And obviously, there’s just like if there’s just loon bleep.
[0:54:09 – 0:54:12] Erik: people in a group, like, yeah, all right, fine.
[0:54:12 – 0:54:13] Erik: You can communicate all you want.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:17] Erik: If there’s just a dick in the group, that’s yeah.
[0:54:17 – 0:54:18] Erik: Well, sorry.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:19] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:19 – 0:54:31] Erik: That comes down to picking out who you’re going out into the woods with, but what really deteriorates a trip, even if you’re all the best of friends is if somebody was like, well, I kind of thought we were going to do more of this.
[0:54:31 – 0:54:36] Erik: And then you’re not all of a sudden being able to have that conversation leading up to a trip.
[0:54:37 – 0:54:38] Erik: And then once you’re out there,
[0:54:39 – 0:55:06] Erik: i don’t think there’s i mean i’m sure that we’ll get some responses from people on reddit that will open our eyes to maybe a few other things that have happened for them but i feel like some of the biggest trips trip issues that i’ve had with people is they just thought it was going to be something different for sure and i remember like the first trip we were on somebody who i have since actually gone out on many trips with he just kind of
[0:55:08 – 0:55:10] Erik: We did start out under pretty dire straits.
[0:55:10 – 0:55:11] Erik: It was windy.
[0:55:11 – 0:55:11] Erik: It was cold.
[0:55:11 – 0:55:17] Erik: And there was a lot more work involved, which for a first-time trip, who knows?
[0:55:17 – 0:55:19] Erik: Yeah, it can go either way then.
[0:55:19 – 0:55:19] Erik: It can go either way.
[0:55:19 – 0:55:26] Erik: But I just remember at one point we had been set up on a campsite for a couple of days just kind of weathering the storm.
[0:55:26 – 0:55:29] Erik: And it finally calmed down enough for me and a couple other guys to go out in a canoe and
[0:55:30 – 0:55:38] Erik: And he had settled into basically just monotonously hacking at a downed tree with a small little hatchet.
[0:55:39 – 0:55:42] Adam: Just with like real Bobby behavior right there.
[0:55:43 – 0:55:47] Erik: Like just with blank eyes, just kind of staring off into the middle distance.
[0:55:49 – 0:55:51] Adam: So that’s how Bobby trees happen.
[0:55:52 – 0:55:53] Erik: But it was a downed tree.
[0:55:54 – 0:55:55] Adam: Still, though.
[0:55:55 – 0:55:55] Adam: But yeah.
[0:55:55 – 0:55:57] Adam: I always wonder, like, who’s hacking at these things?
[0:55:57 – 0:55:59] Erik: I think it’s despondent campers.
[0:55:59 – 0:56:00] Erik: Despondent campers.
[0:56:00 – 0:56:01] Erik: Despondent.
[0:56:01 – 0:56:03] Erik: What have I got myself into?
[0:56:03 – 0:56:08] Erik: I’m cold and wet and days away from being able to go home because I’m out here with six other people who want to be here.
[0:56:09 – 0:56:09] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:56:10 – 0:56:11] Adam: I’m just going to hack at this tree.
[0:56:13 – 0:56:14] Adam: It’s not a good feeling.
[0:56:15 – 0:56:15] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:16 – 0:56:20] Erik: Especially when you look back and they’re locking eyes with you while hacking into the tree.
[0:56:20 – 0:56:21] Erik: Yeesh.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:25 – 0:56:31] Erik: That’s probably one of the most memorable like, okay, that person’s not having a good time.
[0:56:31 – 0:56:33] Erik: You’re not going to have a good time.
[0:56:34 – 0:56:39] Erik: But that was the, I think it was a first time trip thing and we’ve done trips together since then.
[0:56:39 – 0:56:41] Erik: And yeah, you know, we were teenagers.
[0:56:42 – 0:56:43] Adam: You didn’t know what you were doing.
[0:56:43 – 0:56:44] Erik: We had a weird hormones.
[0:56:45 – 0:56:46] Adam: Something was out of whack.
[0:56:46 – 0:56:47] Adam: That’s all.
[0:56:47 – 0:56:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:56:48 – 0:56:53] Adam: You know, my, uh, most important thing for me is the number one thing I look for in a paddling partner.
[0:56:53 – 0:56:53] Adam: And this is, um,
[0:56:56 – 0:56:59] Adam: Well, I’ll just go ahead and give the answer and then I’ll explain where it came from.
[0:57:00 – 0:57:02] Adam: Number one thing in a paddling party, they got to be good looking.
[0:57:03 – 0:57:04] Adam: Yeah, of course.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:08] Adam: 40% of the population that’s really good looking, that’s the people I want to go on a trip with.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:10] Erik: Well, especially because you’re riding in the back.
[0:57:10 – 0:57:11] Erik: You’re going to be looking at that person all day.
[0:57:11 – 0:57:12] Adam: Yeah, I don’t want to look at their ugly back of their head.
[0:57:14 – 0:57:27] Adam: especially from the neck yeah you gotta look uh that’s actually natalie’s answer i gotta give credit where credit is due and i agree with it you don’t want to go on a long trip with some ugly hideous
[0:57:33 – 0:57:38] Adam: I’m mostly joking, but seriously, it helps if you’re on a trip with good-looking people.
[0:57:38 – 0:57:39] Adam: Yeah.
[0:57:39 – 0:57:40] Adam: You know, yourself included.
[0:57:41 – 0:57:43] Adam: Don’t show up wearing a stupid hat.
[0:57:44 – 0:57:45] Adam: Dude, that doesn’t help.
[0:57:46 – 0:57:47] Adam: Wear cool hats.
[0:57:47 – 0:57:47] Adam: Cool hats.
[0:57:48 – 0:57:50] Adam: Try and, you know, think about your wardrobe a little bit before you get out there.
[0:57:51 – 0:57:52] Erik: I mean, yeah, just think about what you look like.
[0:57:53 – 0:57:53] Erik: Come on.
[0:57:53 – 0:57:54] Erik: Yeah.
[0:57:54 – 0:57:55] Adam: Brush your teeth in the morning.
[0:57:56 – 0:58:01] Adam: You know, nobody’s got mirrors out there, but the least you can do is brush your teeth, you know,
[0:58:01 – 0:58:03] Erik: I’m pretty sure I don’t agree with any of this.
[0:58:03 – 0:58:05] Erik: If I’m being completely honest.
[0:58:05 – 0:58:08] Adam: Don’t worry, I’d tell you if you had something in your teeth, Eric.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:09] Adam: Man, you got out of that.
[0:58:11 – 0:58:12] Adam: Get that out of there.
[0:58:12 – 0:58:20] Erik: I think it’s about the one time that I am comfortable with people basically looking like, smelling like, and dressing like however they want.
[0:58:20 – 0:58:29] Adam: I walk around in long underwear bottoms and like, yeah, just soiled sweatshirts covered in sap and burn holes.
[0:58:30 – 0:58:30] Adam: Yeah.
[0:58:30 – 0:58:32] Adam: So I’m not talking about fashion here.
[0:58:32 – 0:58:32] Erik: No.
[0:58:33 – 0:58:35] Erik: I’m just talking about… Well, you can’t change just the way you look.
[0:58:36 – 0:58:41] Adam: attractiveness isn’t strictly like a matter of your bone structure.
[0:58:41 – 0:58:42] Adam: It comes from within.
[0:58:42 – 0:58:42] Adam: It does.
[0:58:43 – 0:58:51] Adam: Attractiveness is the ability to like gather dry kindling and look good doing it.
[0:58:51 – 0:58:53] Erik: You’re really going to just twist it on me now?
[0:58:53 – 0:58:54] Erik: No, I’m serious.
[0:58:54 – 0:59:01] Erik: So camp chores, is that where you just, you took attractiveness and turned that into people who help in camp?
[0:59:01 – 0:59:03] Adam: Being helpful is attractive for sure.
[0:59:03 – 0:59:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:59:04 – 0:59:07] Erik: I guess it depends on what your definition of attractive is.
[0:59:08 – 0:59:12] Adam: Getting kindling while you’re wearing some sexy man leggings.
[0:59:12 – 0:59:13] Adam: That’s even better.
[0:59:13 – 0:59:15] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:19] Erik: Let’s take a poll on the man leggings, I think, at this point.
[0:59:19 – 0:59:20] Adam: I think everybody’s on board.
[0:59:20 – 0:59:28] Erik: I’m pretty sure that I think man leggings will lose in the first round of the March Madness Bonjouers poll, and that is going in.
[0:59:28 – 0:59:28] Adam: It’s fine.
[0:59:28 – 0:59:30] Adam: It doesn’t mean that’s right.
[0:59:31 – 0:59:34] Erik: Yeah, sometimes a one seed loses.
[0:59:35 – 0:59:37] Adam: Sometimes a 12 seed loses, and that’s fine.
[0:59:37 – 0:59:39] Adam: They’re still really good man leggings.
[0:59:40 – 0:59:42] Adam: So that’s number one thing.
[0:59:42 – 0:59:46] Adam: You’ve got to be feeling good, looking good.
[0:59:46 – 0:59:48] Adam: That’s what I always say when we’re in the park.
[0:59:48 – 0:59:50] Erik: Yeah, I mean, attitudes for sure.
[0:59:50 – 0:59:52] Adam: I like park hair too.
[0:59:52 – 0:59:59] Adam: You know, I’m saying like day three when you flip the hat off in camp and you got some crazy park hair.
[0:59:59 – 1:00:02] Adam: I’m doing like a flip of the head right now in the studio here.
[1:00:02 – 1:00:03] Adam: Yeah, very nice.
[1:00:03 – 1:00:03] Adam: Eric can see it.
[1:00:04 – 1:00:04] Erik: I can.
[1:00:05 – 1:00:07] Adam: And yeah, I don’t know.
[1:00:07 – 1:00:09] Adam: I just do appreciate that.
[1:00:11 – 1:00:14] Adam: Number two, and this one’s mine exclusively.
[1:00:16 – 1:00:17] Adam: I’m sure others will agree.
[1:00:18 – 1:00:20] Adam: I’m not sure, though, if it’s rhythm or tempo.
[1:00:21 – 1:00:22] Adam: I think it’s rhythm.
[1:00:23 – 1:00:25] Erik: Are you just building up to a Lizzo quote?
[1:00:25 – 1:00:25] Erik: No, no.
[1:00:26 – 1:00:27] Adam: That was last episode.
[1:00:28 – 1:00:37] Adam: I’m just saying, in a paddling partner, the most important thing now, I think a lot of people are taking this question to mean like, who do you want to go on a trip with?
[1:00:38 – 1:00:43] Adam: But now we’re talking in this moment about you’re actually in a canoe with somebody paddling.
[1:00:44 – 1:00:45] Adam: What are you looking for?
[1:00:45 – 1:00:48] Adam: The number one thing is tempo or rhythm.
[1:00:48 – 1:00:49] Adam: I think it’s rhythm is what I’m looking for.
[1:00:49 – 1:00:50] Erik: Paddling-wise, right?
[1:00:51 – 1:00:51] Adam: Yes.
[1:00:51 – 1:00:51] Erik: Yeah.
[1:00:53 – 1:01:02] Adam: If I’m in the bow, my number one goal in the bow is to, I’m a metronome on the front left side.
[1:01:02 – 1:01:02] Adam: That’s key.
[1:01:02 – 1:01:03] Adam: And I’m just going.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:04] Adam: And I never stop.
[1:01:05 – 1:01:07] Adam: And I rarely take a stroke.
[1:01:07 – 1:01:13] Adam: Even if I have to adjust my hat or something, I’ll paddle with the one arm and do something with the other to keep the rhythm going.
[1:01:15 – 1:01:20] Adam: You just got to keep paddling and you don’t have to necessarily be at like even a five out of 10 power.
[1:01:21 – 1:01:21] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:21 – 1:01:24] Adam: Even if you’re just three out of 10 power, just keep going.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:25] Adam: It’s the same.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:31] Adam: You can take, you can adjust your power settings, but you gotta stay on rhythm.
[1:01:32 – 1:01:35] Erik: Yeah, that’s the one thing that I will say for sure.
[1:01:35 – 1:01:39] Erik: I love going out as a guide and paddling with new people.
[1:01:40 – 1:01:43] Erik: But that’s one of the biggest things that I noticed that they just…
[1:01:43 – 1:01:44] Erik: It doesn’t…
[1:01:44 – 1:01:51] Erik: Even after I’m like, you know, I’m not saying it in a way that I feel is like, listen, this is the way we have to do it.
[1:01:51 – 1:01:57] Erik: But I’m like, you know, the fastest and most efficient way to paddle a canoe is when everybody’s paddle is in the water.
[1:01:58 – 1:01:58] Erik: So…
[1:01:59 – 1:02:04] Erik: Especially if there’s three people in a canoe, which a lot of times that’s the kind of trips I go out on.
[1:02:05 – 1:02:07] Erik: Keep an eye on the person’s canoe paddled in front of you.
[1:02:08 – 1:02:08] Erik: Right.
[1:02:08 – 1:02:12] Erik: And every time theirs is in the water, that’s when yours should be in the water.
[1:02:12 – 1:02:15] Erik: And then the person behind you will do the same, which is me.
[1:02:15 – 1:02:19] Erik: And then inevitably it lasts about two minutes and then it’s back and forth.
[1:02:19 – 1:02:23] Adam: Somebody stopped to do something and then they start going off tempo.
[1:02:23 – 1:02:23] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:24 – 1:02:29] Erik: Or it’s somehow they’re like they are paddling constantly, but they do like a weird double.
[1:02:29 – 1:02:31] Adam: They got a hitch in their giddy up.
[1:02:31 – 1:02:35] Erik: Yeah, like a 1.5 where it’s like, man, I don’t.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:36] Adam: Howdy, partner.
[1:02:36 – 1:02:43] Adam: You got a bit of a hitch in your giddy up there and go ahead and smooth that thing on out there, please.
[1:02:43 – 1:02:43] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:43 – 1:02:44] Adam: Thank you.
[1:02:45 – 1:02:45] Erik: Thank you.
[1:02:46 – 1:02:49] Erik: I’ll start talking to participants next year like that.
[1:02:49 – 1:02:51] Adam: Yeah, you got to start wearing a cowboy hat when you’re guiding.
[1:02:51 – 1:02:53] Erik: Just throwing them off completely.
[1:02:53 – 1:02:54] Adam: Howdy, partner.
[1:02:54 – 1:02:55] Adam: Welcome to Clearwater.
[1:02:59 – 1:03:00] Adam: Oh, boy.
[1:03:00 – 1:03:01] Adam: We’re going to have ourselves a good time now.
[1:03:01 – 1:03:02] SPEAKER_01: Yes, we are.
[1:03:02 – 1:03:02] Erik: Are we not?
[1:03:04 – 1:03:04] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:04 – 1:03:05] Erik: That’s a good one.
[1:03:05 – 1:03:05] Adam: Rhythm.
[1:03:05 – 1:03:07] Adam: That’s my number one thing.
[1:03:07 – 1:03:12] Adam: And I always tell people who come up and do a trip, what do you want me to do?
[1:03:12 – 1:03:13] Adam: Left side or right side?
[1:03:13 – 1:03:17] Adam: I’m like, pick a side and go at a steady tempo.
[1:03:17 – 1:03:18] Erik: Yeah, I can do the same.
[1:03:19 – 1:03:21] Erik: Whatever side you want to go on, I will just be in the opposite.
[1:03:21 – 1:03:23] Adam: You just stay over there, and then people are like, what?
[1:03:23 – 1:03:24] Adam: You don’t want me to switch?
[1:03:25 – 1:03:27] Adam: Fine, go ahead and switch, but stay on rhythm.
[1:03:27 – 1:03:28] Adam: I will switch accordingly.
[1:03:29 – 1:03:30] Erik: Switch as much as you want.
[1:03:30 – 1:03:38] Adam: Yeah, if I’m up front, I will set it on the left side, and I will go all day at a 7 out of 10 speed.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:38] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:39 – 1:03:41] Adam: That’s the perfect setup.
[1:03:41 – 1:03:43] Adam: If you need to, take the power back down, but keep the rhythm going.
[1:03:46 – 1:03:47] Adam: Do not adjust the rhythm.
[1:03:48 – 1:03:53] Adam: And you may want to adjust in win scenarios or something, but that’s number one for me.
[1:03:54 – 1:03:57] Adam: If somebody can hold a good rhythm, then the rest of it all takes care of itself.
[1:03:58 – 1:04:05] Erik: Yeah, I think you answered what makes a good paddling partner, and I think I answered what makes good group dynamics.
[1:04:05 – 1:04:06] Adam: Yeah, I think so.
[1:04:06 – 1:04:09] Adam: I think this is a good base for the discussion.
[1:04:11 – 1:04:12] Erik: I’m sure we will be…
[1:04:12 – 1:04:14] Adam: The tempo is for the bow paddler.
[1:04:14 – 1:04:15] Adam: That’s what I want to say.
[1:04:15 – 1:04:20] Adam: If you’re up in the front, you’re in charge of setting this rhythm.
[1:04:20 – 1:04:23] Adam: In the olden days, they’d have the little drum with the drummer guy.
[1:04:23 – 1:04:23] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:04:24 – 1:04:31] Erik: Well, that’s always the one, especially when I’m out there with participants, especially if they’re kids.
[1:04:31 – 1:04:37] Erik: I’m like, if you are the bow paddler, just picture yourself as the guy that’s banging that drum.
[1:04:37 – 1:04:37] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:38 – 1:04:41] Erik: Just stay as regular as possible, even if it is a little bit slower.
[1:04:41 – 1:04:49] Erik: A slower pace when all paddles are in the water is much more efficient than three different timings faster.
[1:04:49 – 1:04:50] Adam: For sure.
[1:04:50 – 1:04:51] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:51 – 1:04:53] Adam: So, yeah, there you go.
[1:04:54 – 1:04:55] Adam: Be willing to be flexible.
[1:04:57 – 1:04:58] Adam: Make sure your hair looks good.
[1:04:58 – 1:04:59] Erik: Communicate.
[1:04:59 – 1:05:02] Adam: And communicate and stand your rhythm.
[1:05:02 – 1:05:03] Adam: Yeah.
[1:05:04 – 1:05:07] Adam: If you have those things, I think you’re going to be just fine.
[1:05:07 – 1:05:15] Adam: But there’s obviously a lot more depth to unwrap in this subject, and we will get to that in next week’s episode.
[1:05:15 – 1:05:19] Erik: Everything else kind of falls into place after that, I think.
[1:05:20 – 1:05:20] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:21 – 1:05:23] Erik: So we are going to come back.
[1:05:25 – 1:05:34] Erik: We thought we could be one, but then we went to the question of the week and it is a… See, you got to be flexible.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:34] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:35] Erik: See, we’re in action.
[1:05:36 – 1:05:37] Erik: We’re doing it.
[1:05:37 – 1:05:40] Adam: Actions, they speak louder than words.
[1:05:41 – 1:05:41] Erik: So we’re going to…
[1:05:42 – 1:05:43] Adam: This episode’s full of wisdom.
[1:05:43 – 1:05:44] Erik: So much wisdom.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:46] Erik: In the meantime…
[1:05:48 – 1:05:58] Erik: If you haven’t noticed, we are coming back in a couple of weeks with what essentially will be the last episode for a bit.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:13] Erik: But if you haven’t seen it and you want to respond via email, in the spooky season, the spirit of the spooky yuki season, which is kind of my, you know, I’m not like huge on it, but I just generally like this time of year.
[1:06:14 – 1:06:19] Erik: Not because of like skeletons and jack-o’-lanterns and stuff, but I just like the way it feels.
[1:06:20 – 1:06:21] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:21 – 1:06:25] Erik: But I also do like that kind of conversation.
[1:06:26 – 1:06:36] Erik: And I think the way that that conversation can be translated into a RBWCA question or a Boundary Waters question in general is we’re going to talk about nightmare scenarios.
[1:06:37 – 1:06:39] Adam: Nightmare scenarios.
[1:06:39 – 1:06:44] Erik: Whether it’s actually happened to you or it’s just one of those things, you know, I think there’s a moment.
[1:06:46 – 1:07:01] Erik: That when you’re paddling away from shore, like I can think of multiple trips where you’re paddling away, paddling off for like a month into Quetico or just three days where you know you’re going to get out somewhere super remote.
[1:07:02 – 1:07:05] Erik: You’re like, just in the back of your mind, you’re thinking of something.
[1:07:05 – 1:07:07] Erik: Boy, that would really suck if that happened.
[1:07:08 – 1:07:10] Erik: Or, that’s practical.
[1:07:11 – 1:07:16] Erik: Or like just generally like nightmare scenario, like dude shows up in your camp.
[1:07:19 – 1:07:21] Erik: I have stories of people that that has happened to.
[1:07:22 – 1:07:24] Erik: Nightmare scenario.
[1:07:24 – 1:07:32] Erik: What other Halloween… Halloween noises.
[1:07:33 – 1:07:34] Erik: But then also at the end…
[1:07:35 – 1:07:36] Erik: Yeah, owl.
[1:07:36 – 1:07:37] Erik: That’s a good one.
[1:07:38 – 1:07:38] Erik: Good.
[1:07:38 – 1:07:39] Erik: Halloween noise.
[1:07:40 – 1:07:41] Erik: I also just threw it out.
[1:07:41 – 1:07:43] Erik: Hey, you got any alien or ghost stories?
[1:07:43 – 1:07:43] Erik: Yeah, why not?
[1:07:43 – 1:07:44] Erik: Why not?
[1:07:44 – 1:07:45] Adam: Might as well open it up.
[1:07:46 – 1:07:49] Erik: Double Home Spooktacular is coming at you.
[1:07:49 – 1:07:51] Adam: This should be also a regular episode.
[1:07:51 – 1:07:51] Erik: Yeah.
[1:07:52 – 1:07:54] Erik: Well, we kind of did the unsolved, unexplained.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:56] Adam: Are we going to read some more X-Files scripts?
[1:07:56 – 1:07:57] Erik: I’m sure we can.
[1:07:58 – 1:08:00] Erik: So we’re throwing that out.
[1:08:01 – 1:08:03] Erik: You’ve got a few weeks.
[1:08:03 – 1:08:04] Erik: It is up on RBWCA.
[1:08:04 – 1:08:06] Erik: I’m going to post it on Facebook this weekend.
[1:08:06 – 1:08:13] Erik: But if you want to just email us, nightmare scenario, most practical or impractical,
[1:08:14 – 1:08:14] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:08:15 – 1:08:15] Erik: Have fun with it.
[1:08:16 – 1:08:17] Erik: Have you seen a ghost?
[1:08:18 – 1:08:19] Erik: A ghosts?
[1:08:20 – 1:08:21] Erik: Have you seen a ghoul?
[1:08:22 – 1:08:23] Erik: Are there aliens?
[1:08:24 – 1:08:31] Erik: It’s, I would say, at this point, we’re having about as much fun with this podcast as we possibly can.
[1:08:32 – 1:08:38] Erik: I think all the black and white information for the year, it’s out there.
[1:08:39 – 1:08:41] Erik: Now we just want to talk about ghosts.
[1:08:41 – 1:08:42] Adam: Yeah, let’s have some fun.
[1:08:43 – 1:08:43] Adam: So,
[1:08:44 – 1:08:50] Erik: We’ll be back next week with the litany of responses from this question still, paddling partners.
[1:08:50 – 1:08:52] Erik: Stern paddlers got to get in.
[1:08:52 – 1:08:53] Erik: Stern paddlers got to get in.
[1:08:53 – 1:08:55] Erik: What’s better, front or back?
[1:08:57 – 1:08:58] Erik: And then after that…
[1:08:59 – 1:09:19] Erik: spooktacular that will be out but as always the big season finale is out there you can send those to us whenever you want how was your 2019 open water season in the park maybe you just hiked that’s an option too what did you see that you never thought you’d see before
[1:09:19 – 1:09:20] Erik: Did you learn anything?
[1:09:21 – 1:09:22] Erik: Did you catch a big fish?
[1:09:23 – 1:09:28] Erik: Did you see the Charlie Ambrose plaque?
[1:09:31 – 1:09:32] Adam: Yeah, I seened it.
[1:09:32 – 1:09:33] Adam: Yeah, I seened it.
[1:09:34 – 1:09:34] Adam: All right.
[1:09:35 – 1:09:52] Erik: Well, also this week, if you are a poppin’ a wheeler or a Save the Boundary Waters level patron, bonus episode for this month, zombie apocalypse scenarios.
[1:09:53 – 1:09:56] Erik: We’ve had this conversation many a time.
[1:09:56 – 1:09:56] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:09:57 – 1:09:57] Erik: What are we doing?
[1:09:58 – 1:09:59] Erik: Yeah, what are you going to do?
[1:10:00 – 1:10:01] Erik: And it’s not just zombies.
[1:10:01 – 1:10:05] Erik: I think it’s because we’re going to talk like what we actually think will happen.
[1:10:05 – 1:10:11] Erik: I think zombies are actually like way down on the list of like real eventualities.
[1:10:12 – 1:10:15] Erik: So if you want to.
[1:10:15 – 1:10:17] Adam: It’s just more of an apocalypse bonus episode.
[1:10:17 – 1:10:18] Erik: Yeah, apocalypse scenario.
[1:10:18 – 1:10:27] Erik: And that’s kind of going right off of why this is one of the best places to live because of the options we have to survive.
[1:10:27 – 1:10:29] Adam: Yeah, we did talk about that briefly in 74.
[1:10:29 – 1:10:29] Adam: Yeah.
[1:10:31 – 1:10:33] Erik: So if you’re interested, become a Poppin’ Wheeler.
[1:10:34 – 1:10:35] Erik: Or if you’re not, that’s cool.
[1:10:35 – 1:10:37] Erik: Glad you’re here either way.
[1:10:37 – 1:10:38] Adam: We love you.
[1:10:38 – 1:10:38] Adam: We love you.
[1:10:38 – 1:10:40] Adam: Thank you for listening, friends.
[1:10:41 – 1:10:45] Adam: And especially thank you to Corey this week, the fine Belgium ale.
[1:10:45 – 1:10:46] Adam: I finished mine.
[1:10:46 – 1:10:47] Erik: I’m finishing it right now.
[1:10:47 – 1:10:48] Erik: I just finished mine.
[1:10:49 – 1:10:50] Adam: And very nice.
[1:10:52 – 1:10:53] Adam: Very nicely done.
[1:10:53 – 1:10:54] Adam: Well struck, Corey.
[1:10:55 – 1:10:55] Adam: And…
[1:10:57 – 1:11:03] Erik: Also, thank you to Spooky Brand Bath Salts and Bath Bombs.
[1:11:03 – 1:11:07] Adam: I think they started as a bath bomb company and then got into the bath salts later.
[1:11:07 – 1:11:09] Adam: It’s a new emerging market.
[1:11:09 – 1:11:11] Erik: I think it is.
[1:11:12 – 1:11:13] Adam: I don’t know what that really even means.
[1:11:14 – 1:11:15] Erik: Dangerously fast.
[1:11:16 – 1:11:44] Erik: but we’re happy to have them on board that dumpster truck full of money and salts out in the yard is looking very nice all of the money that I’ve tried spending has been returned and my fingers do have a weird gray residue that I can’t wash off but you know I’m going to try to use it on the hot air balloon trip that’s the business yeah take it with you spend that stuff makes sense I’m happy
[1:11:45 – 1:11:46] Adam: All right, friend.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:55] Adam: Well, as we always like to say at the end of the episode, life is precious and every day is a miracle.
[1:11:55 – 1:11:58] Adam: For Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast, my name has been Adam.
[1:11:59 – 1:12:03] Adam: And I’m here in Studio V with my good friend Eric.
[1:12:03 – 1:12:04] Adam: Hello.
[1:12:04 – 1:12:07] Adam: I think we should probably return to quiet mode as we go out.
[1:12:07 – 1:12:10] Adam: And this has been the end of the episode.
[1:12:11 – 1:12:15] Adam: And I’ve got to go throw some more logs on the fire.
[1:12:16 – 1:12:18] Adam: And possibly…
[1:12:18 – 1:12:19] Adam: I guess we could, yeah.
[1:12:20 – 1:12:21] Adam: Have a light snack.
[1:12:22 – 1:12:23] Erik: I have some celery.
[1:12:24 – 1:12:25] Erik: That sounds nice.
[1:12:25 – 1:12:27] Erik: Some amino acids.
[1:12:27 – 1:12:28] Erik: We can maybe dab on them.
[1:12:29 – 1:12:30] Erik: Some crumbs?
[1:12:43 – 1:12:44] SPEAKER_01: Bye.