259: Every Campsite is a Miracle

Episode Transcript

[0:00:13 – 0:00:15] UNKNOWN: so so
[0:00:33 – 0:00:39] Erik: You know what they say, the order of the seasons depends on when you’re born.
[0:00:39 – 0:00:40] Erik: My name is Eric.
[0:00:41 – 0:00:49] Erik: It’s a fall-like day here in the shed, joined as always by my two-hoodied companion.
[0:00:50 – 0:00:51] Erik: Adam, hello.
[0:00:51 – 0:00:53] Adam: Dos huderos, ayo.
[0:00:53 – 0:00:55] Adam: Dos huderos.
[0:00:55 – 0:00:56] Adam: Buenas noches.
[0:00:57 – 0:00:57] Adam: Nailed it.
[0:01:00 – 0:01:07] Erik: August 9th, it sure, man, people were dressed like it was November 9th out there today.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:10] Adam: Big Norwegian sweaters in the restaurant today.
[0:01:11 – 0:01:14] Erik: Lots of materials for breaking the wind.
[0:01:14 – 0:01:17] Erik: Yeah, it was gusty.
[0:01:17 – 0:01:19] Erik: Yeah, very windy, very cool.
[0:01:20 – 0:01:28] Erik: I don’t know if I ever actually physically got rained on, but you could see that there was rain off in multiple directions at different points today.
[0:01:29 – 0:01:33] Adam: It was just a steady misting up here at the tumble shed all day.
[0:01:34 – 0:01:37] Erik: Low whipping gray clouds.
[0:01:37 – 0:01:39] Erik: Those look like snow clouds.
[0:01:39 – 0:01:40] Erik: You son of a…
[0:01:41 – 0:01:44] Adam: I’ve seen some red leaves today on the bike ride.
[0:01:45 – 0:01:47] Adam: So things are turning all of a sudden.
[0:01:47 – 0:01:48] Erik: What is happening?
[0:01:48 – 0:01:49] Adam: I got two hoodies on.
[0:01:49 – 0:01:51] Adam: I’m also wearing long underwear on the bottoms.
[0:01:52 – 0:01:55] Adam: So, yeah, it was a pretty chilly day.
[0:01:55 – 0:01:59] Adam: Actually, I said to Buddy Josh was over here earlier.
[0:01:59 – 0:02:01] Adam: I said it was probably one of the nicest days of the whole year.
[0:02:01 – 0:02:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:03 – 0:02:03] Adam: I truly mean that.
[0:02:04 – 0:02:05] Adam: I really like this kind of weather.
[0:02:05 – 0:02:10] Erik: Everybody was saying that, and I just kept my mouth shut because…
[0:02:11 – 0:02:12] Adam: Yeah, you’re not going swimming.
[0:02:12 – 0:02:13] Adam: Not a fan.
[0:02:13 – 0:02:18] Adam: Not a day like this where you’re going to go swimming, but it was good for going for a bike ride and messing around in the yard.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:25] Adam: I didn’t get even like one bug bite all day, which is, I think, the first time all summer that that’s happened.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:27 – 0:02:28] Erik: Got that going for you.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:29] Adam: It goes a long ways.
[0:02:30 – 0:02:31] Erik: It’s supposed to be 77 and sunny again.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:32] Erik: It’s going to be right back.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:32] Erik: Two days.
[0:02:33 – 0:02:33] Erik: We’ll be all right.
[0:02:33 – 0:02:34] Erik: This is just the first blip.
[0:02:35 – 0:02:36] Adam: Yeah, it’s just one day.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:40] Adam: If it was going to be like this all week, then I wouldn’t be so, you know, gung-ho.
[0:02:40 – 0:02:45] Erik: Yeah, no, it’s nice to get a little, take the edge off a little bit, you know, get that.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:47 – 0:02:57] Erik: If anything, it reminds you of where your layers are because you just get into a habit of just being like, well, there are my two pieces of clothing I need for the day and the next week.
[0:02:58 – 0:02:58] Erik: Right there.
[0:02:58 – 0:02:59] Adam: Short and tank.
[0:03:00 – 0:03:01] Erik: Short and, yeah, and tank.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:07] Adam: That would be, yeah, that would be all you really need.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:09] Adam: Short and tank.
[0:03:09 – 0:03:09] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:03:11 – 0:03:14] Adam: It’d be like a buddy cop duo.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:15] Adam: Short and Tank?
[0:03:16 – 0:03:16] Adam: Short and Tank.
[0:03:17 – 0:03:18] Erik: They kind of have the same name, though.
[0:03:18 – 0:03:19] Adam: Yeah, they’re both the Tank, though.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:22] Adam: You need, like, yeah, Tank and Reacher.
[0:03:26 – 0:03:28] Adam: Yeah, like a Bert and Ernie kind of scenario.
[0:03:28 – 0:03:29] Adam: Totally, yeah.
[0:03:29 – 0:03:30] Adam: It’s just two Ernies.
[0:03:30 – 0:03:30] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:31 – 0:03:31] Adam: Short and Tank.
[0:03:31 – 0:03:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:03:33 – 0:03:34] Adam: Or it’s a good wardrobe.
[0:03:34 – 0:03:34] Adam: Wardrobe.
[0:03:35 – 0:03:36] Erik: Or it’s good wardrobe.
[0:03:36 – 0:03:37] Erik: Could be both.
[0:03:37 – 0:03:42] Erik: You seen any bird?
[0:03:42 – 0:03:51] Erik: No, but before I transition back to the conversation kind of about fall, have you seen any bird?
[0:03:51 – 0:03:51] Erik: No.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:58] Adam: I did see a whole pack of Blue Jays yesterday.
[0:03:58 – 0:03:59] Erik: A pack?
[0:03:59 – 0:04:00] Erik: You usually don’t see them packed up.
[0:04:00 – 0:04:00] Erik: I know.
[0:04:01 – 0:04:01] Adam: It was weird.
[0:04:02 – 0:04:04] Adam: You could hear them coming from a ways, too.
[0:04:04 – 0:04:05] Adam: It was like, what is this?
[0:04:05 – 0:04:09] Adam: Oh, it was about six or seven Blue Jays all traveling together.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:12] Adam: I didn’t look it up what a group of Blue Jays is called.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:21] Erik: No, I’m sure it’s some joke term that you’d see on some funny compilation on Reddit somewhere.
[0:04:22 – 0:04:24] Erik: You’ve never heard anybody ever use it, but it’s like…
[0:04:24 – 0:04:26] Adam: It’s probably like a frustration of Blue Jays.
[0:04:26 – 0:04:27] Adam: Something like that, yeah.
[0:04:27 – 0:04:27] Adam: It’s one of those.
[0:04:28 – 0:04:29] Adam: I didn’t look it up, though.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:29] Adam: I just made that up.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:30] Adam: That’s probably right.
[0:04:30 – 0:04:32] Erik: A congestion of Jays.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:32] Erik: What?
[0:04:35 – 0:04:40] Erik: No, I was just, this conversation kind of started at work with the weather.
[0:04:41 – 0:04:43] Erik: Got me thinking, what’s your favorite soup?
[0:04:43 – 0:04:44] Adam: My favorite soup?
[0:04:46 – 0:04:51] Adam: Well, you know, I’ve been working at the Cobb a long time and I’m pretty fond of the Mulligatawny.
[0:04:51 – 0:05:10] Adam: sure but walk me through everything you need exactly what’s in that what is the what’s the uh premier spice of the mulligatani um hmm well it does use a lot of bay leaf but oh well how you feel about that is that a spice yeah i believe you’ve been doing anything
[0:05:12 – 0:05:27] Erik: I would love to know the backstory on the magic soup leaf in terms of its application for one thing and one thing only that nobody can discernibly tell whether it has been omitted or not.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:53] Adam: right you got to put it in though i can tell if i didn’t if i like forgot which i never would do because i can do that recipe uh i can do any recipe and i’m not going to forget the bay leaf yeah but the you want to use the bay leaf and it uses a lot of curry powder at the end okay so there’s coconut milk there’s a curry yeah the last two things you add are the curry powder and the coconut milk at the end and then you let that simmer it’s veg mostly
[0:05:53 – 0:05:59] Adam: It’s got a lot of red pepper, a lot of onion, like triple the amount of onion you would normally start a soup with.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:01] Adam: A good amount of red pepper.
[0:06:01 – 0:06:05] Adam: You want to have the uniform dice on both the onion and pepper, obviously.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:11] Adam: And then the other fun ingredient on that one is like green apple.
[0:06:12 – 0:06:35] Adam: and you do diced green apple in it uses a bunch of chicken and shred any kind of chicken meat and a bunch of rice i cut the rice back on the recipe because it was getting like too thick yeah that’ll happen especially if i believe i haven’t made it in a while i think it also it gets like veggie bouillon and chicken bouillon a good amount of salt and black pepper
[0:06:35 – 0:06:37] Erik: Is it your favorite to make and eat?
[0:06:38 – 0:06:38] Adam: I think so.
[0:06:38 – 0:06:41] Adam: It’s probably the most complicated recipe in the co-op cookbook.
[0:06:42 – 0:06:44] Adam: And it’s also just amazing.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:45] Adam: It’s delicious.
[0:06:46 – 0:06:46] Adam: But…
[0:06:47 – 0:06:50] Erik: It’s one of the soup Nazi soups, Mulligatawny.
[0:06:50 – 0:06:53] Erik: I think that’s the recipe that Elaine comes in and starts.
[0:06:53 – 0:06:54] Erik: Is it really?
[0:06:54 – 0:06:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:55 – 0:07:01] Erik: She somehow gets her hands on an armoire after being banned from the soup Nazi’s establishment.
[0:07:01 – 0:07:04] Erik: And then she finds all of the recipes for his soup.
[0:07:04 – 0:07:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:07:05 – 0:07:11] Erik: And then goes in and, you know, gives him the what for by reading the recipe for Mulligatawny.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:12] Adam: Hilarious.
[0:07:12 – 0:07:16] Adam: Yeah, it’s A-plus on that one.
[0:07:16 – 0:07:21] Adam: The first soup I ever was asked to make when I first started at the club was the Peruvian quinoa soup.
[0:07:22 – 0:07:23] Adam: Oh, what makes it Peruvian?
[0:07:23 – 0:07:24] Adam: Which is vegan.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:25] Erik: Mostly the quinoa.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:27] Erik: Quinoa, probably, yeah.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:31] Adam: It’s got like 10 different vegetables, a lot of carrot, jalapeno.
[0:07:32 – 0:07:35] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know what it makes it.
[0:07:35 – 0:07:37] Adam: It does have like stewed tomato.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:38] Adam: Maybe that’s what makes it Peruvian.
[0:07:39 – 0:08:03] Adam: sure well i mean potato i think it has it also has like finely diced potato yeah maybe finally is the wrong use um it’s a small dice not a mince on a potato but red potato well no quinoa and then the quinoa and then you get like lime juice and cilantro at the end it’s very good it’s um by far our best vegan soup um so that one’s aces
[0:08:04 – 0:08:11] Adam: And in the winter, I’m always a sucker for a good potato chowder with a really good amount of bacon.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:11] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:13] Adam: And mustard.
[0:08:13 – 0:08:17] Adam: I like my potato chowder with a stone-ground mustard at the end.
[0:08:18 – 0:08:18] Erik: Oh, nice.
[0:08:18 – 0:08:18] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:18 – 0:08:20] Adam: Gives it a little something extra.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:20] Adam: Sure.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:21] Adam: So there’s some soup tips.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:23] Adam: I could go on and on.
[0:08:23 – 0:08:25] Adam: We could talk about soups for the rest of the season.
[0:08:25 – 0:08:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:26 – 0:08:28] Erik: That’s what we’re talking about tonight, actually.
[0:08:28 – 0:08:29] Adam: Soup tips.
[0:08:29 – 0:08:31] Adam: That’s why this episode title is just Soup.
[0:08:31 – 0:08:32] Adam: Soup.
[0:08:32 – 0:08:32] UNKNOWN: Soup.
[0:08:33 – 0:08:35] Adam: Shortest episode title ever.
[0:08:35 – 0:08:39] Adam: We’ve never had an episode title this short before, but it’s so much richness.
[0:08:40 – 0:08:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:40 – 0:08:42] Adam: There’s so much there in four letters, Eric.
[0:08:42 – 0:08:45] Erik: Today we will be dissecting the bay leaf.
[0:08:45 – 0:08:45] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:46 – 0:08:47] Adam: What is it doing in there, really?
[0:08:47 – 0:08:50] Adam: Get real public radio with it.
[0:08:51 – 0:08:53] Erik: Just ratchet her down a little bit.
[0:08:54 – 0:08:55] Erik: Talk about the bay leaf.
[0:08:55 – 0:08:56] Erik: I don’t even know.
[0:08:56 – 0:08:57] Erik: I haven’t listened.
[0:08:57 – 0:09:01] Erik: It used to be my go-to, always, NPR.
[0:09:01 – 0:09:02] Erik: I just can’t handle it.
[0:09:03 – 0:09:04] Adam: Welcome to Splendid Table.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:06] Adam: My name is Shorts Tank.
[0:09:06 – 0:09:10] Adam: And this week we’re talking about the incredible power of the bay leaf.
[0:09:10 – 0:09:11] Erik: The bay leaf.
[0:09:11 – 0:09:12] Erik: Does it make any difference?
[0:09:12 – 0:09:13] SPEAKER_02: We’ll find out.
[0:09:14 – 0:09:36] Erik: yeah uh i heard uh butternut squash cream of mushroom uh my first thought when the discussion came up was like a really especially making it i always for some reason have a good time making uh french onion soup i was gonna say i was if i had one guest for all you’re gonna say it was french onion yeah i think you can pull off a french onion
[0:09:36 – 0:09:37] Erik: Yeah, you can’t.
[0:09:37 – 0:09:39] Erik: I mean, it’s just one of those ones.
[0:09:39 – 0:09:48] Erik: You can make some serious shortcuts and put French onion soup out in front of somebody, but I don’t know.
[0:09:48 – 0:09:51] Erik: It’s just one of those ones you just got to keep cooking those onions down.
[0:09:52 – 0:09:53] Adam: I don’t have the patience for it, I don’t think.
[0:09:54 – 0:09:57] Adam: I’ve never been satisfied with a French onion that I’ve tried to make.
[0:09:57 – 0:09:57] Erik: Yeah.
[0:09:58 – 0:10:00] Adam: Have you ever been able to pull off ratatouille?
[0:10:01 – 0:10:05] Adam: Because I feel like I’m the same way with, I’m just not good in the French cuisine.
[0:10:05 – 0:10:13] Erik: Yeah, no, I haven’t really attempted the ratatouille, like a beef burgundy or a beef like bourguignon.
[0:10:14 – 0:10:16] Erik: were some of my favorites to make.
[0:10:18 – 0:10:27] Erik: Back when we would have to cook for the staff at Clearwater, I always loved getting my cheesecloth out and making the aromatic bouquet.
[0:10:27 – 0:10:28] Adam: Yes.
[0:10:28 – 0:10:39] Erik: And then you’d pull that out afterwards and then you’d take the… You’d get like a little package of the pearl onions and you’d freeze them and then you’d cook them from frozen and they’d get like…
[0:10:40 – 0:11:08] Erik: caramelized somehow better because they’re not cooking as fast and then you top the beef oh man the beef the beef and then there’s like whole mushrooms yeah some of those were they were even like beyond soup though it was almost like by the time you get done with it it’s almost like pot roasts yeah more than a soup but uh yeah i don’t know there’s also something about french onion soup that’s like a little bit more fun with like the toast and the cheese on top yeah but uh yeah
[0:11:09 – 0:11:19] Erik: it’s a dedication if you want to do it right, I would say not just a quick cook some onions and then dump a bunch of beef broth in, which is unfortunately what, what most French onion.
[0:11:21 – 0:11:34] Erik: Seems to be in the quick food service realm, but I just thought it was kind of a fun conversation with this, you know, you don’t think about soup for so long and then you get a day like this and you’re like, well, I don’t know.
[0:11:34 – 0:11:39] Adam: Probably going to be like 85 or hotter where most people are downloading this episode.
[0:11:39 – 0:11:39] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:39 – 0:11:40] Adam: Probably.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:43] Erik: By the time this comes out, it’ll be, why the hell are they talking about hot soup?
[0:11:43 – 0:11:44] Erik: All right, fine.
[0:11:44 – 0:11:45] Erik: It’s gazpacho.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:46] Erik: Hey.
[0:11:46 – 0:11:50] Erik: Remember that time we made gazpacho for the Mormons at Clearwater and they asked for chips?
[0:11:50 – 0:11:51] Erik: Yep.
[0:11:51 – 0:11:52] Erik: What are we having tonight?
[0:11:52 – 0:11:55] Erik: A vat of salsa, which is basically what it is.
[0:11:55 – 0:11:56] Adam: It is what it is.
[0:11:57 – 0:11:58] Adam: They’re not wrong.
[0:11:58 – 0:11:58] SPEAKER_02: No.
[0:11:59 – 0:12:05] Erik: It was like 800 degrees, though, and it was like, we aren’t making anything hot, and they just could not comprehend.
[0:12:05 – 0:12:07] Adam: At least we didn’t make a cold carrot soup.
[0:12:07 – 0:12:07] Adam: No.
[0:12:07 – 0:12:09] Adam: They would not have liked that at all.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:12] Erik: Didn’t you make a cold cucumber soup one time, too?
[0:12:12 – 0:12:13] Adam: Cold cucumber soup is really good.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:14 – 0:12:17] Erik: That’s a refreshing one for a hot summer day, for sure.
[0:12:17 – 0:12:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:21 – 0:12:22] Adam: Hot soup.
[0:12:22 – 0:12:22] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:12:23 – 0:12:25] Adam: Sometimes on the hottest days, I just want a hot cup of coffee, though.
[0:12:26 – 0:12:26] Erik: Yeah, coffee.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:27] Adam: That makes me feel better.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:28] Adam: So, I don’t know.
[0:12:28 – 0:12:29] Adam: Maybe hot soup.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:32] Adam: I always wonder on these hot days, like, how the hell are we selling so much soup?
[0:12:32 – 0:12:33] Erik: It’s shocking.
[0:12:33 – 0:12:37] Adam: Who is out there buying soup by the gallons right now?
[0:12:37 – 0:12:38] Adam: And it’s empty again, like…
[0:12:40 – 0:13:07] Erik: why yeah maybe it’s maybe it’s actually has a cooling effect by eating something hot or something i yeah i have no idea but it’s the last thing i mean i guess to a certain extent you know you take a hot sauna sometimes you can like break that that heat in you and then like the rest of the day it doesn’t feel as hot right but something about like pumping a bunch of especially if it’s like a chowder or a drink is one thing but cream based yeah it’d have to be a like a broth like yeah it has to be a broth soup
[0:13:07 – 0:13:33] Erik: yeah yeah or like i mean might as well just sit down and like horse down a pile of like pasta like get some chicken fettuccine going like good lord like just take it easy yeah i don’t eat much to begin with but these hot days just like we still like we basically just always have chicken dumpling soup on sundays and it’s like shocking on these like some of these sundays have been really hot you’re like what are these people doing eating dumplings right now
[0:13:33 – 0:13:35] Adam: What’s wrong with you folks?
[0:13:35 – 0:13:36] Adam: Are you okay?
[0:13:37 – 0:13:40] Erik: Soft cooked dough in boiling hot soup.
[0:13:41 – 0:13:44] Erik: Let’s take this out to the parking lot and eat it on the asphalt.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:52] Adam: You got people who will carefully just scoop out all the dumplings because they’re more special than everybody else in the whole world.
[0:13:52 – 0:13:54] Erik: That is insane that that’s an option.
[0:13:54 – 0:13:55] Erik: I didn’t even think of that.
[0:13:55 – 0:13:57] Erik: People go fishing for the, because, you know.
[0:13:57 – 0:13:58] Erik: Oh, yes.
[0:13:58 – 0:13:59] Erik: I work in the, I don’t.
[0:13:59 – 0:13:59] Erik: Oh, yes.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:02] Adam: So I can’t believe people do self-service.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:06] Adam: That they would be willing to do it.
[0:14:06 – 0:14:08] Adam: It’s crazy to me.
[0:14:08 – 0:14:13] Adam: Yeah, that people also just like scoop all the good stuff out or what they perceive to be the good stuff.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:16] Erik: Yeah, get all the meat and then drain off the broth.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:20] Adam: You can’t do anything that has expensive food in it.
[0:14:20 – 0:14:20] Adam: Sure, yeah.
[0:14:21 – 0:14:22] Adam: They’ll just pick all that.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:28] Adam: You’ve got to cut up all the proteins into small bits so they can’t fish it out.
[0:14:29 – 0:14:34] Adam: The dumplings naturally are bigger and they always just pick out the dumplings.
[0:14:34 – 0:14:37] Adam: What kind of crazy lunatic do you have to be to pick out the dumplings?
[0:14:38 – 0:15:02] Adam: i don’t know soup people are animals man and then like and just and be able to sleep at night i don’t know like how is that okay it’s uh there’s so many things wrong in this world but like that’s one of them i’ll never be able to understand the mentality of the folks that will go in there and just take a whole 16 ounce tub of dumplings only and be able to like i can rest at night and i feel like i’ve done my i’ve done good work today in this world being a human
[0:15:04 – 0:15:23] Erik: we’ve talked about this i think at length in varying degrees both on this podcast but i would say probably mostly in our daily lives when these microphones aren’t in front of us and like yeah the blessing and the curse of being aware of people like that and sometimes wanting to
[0:15:25 – 0:15:47] Erik: i don’t know if i would want to exist like that but it’s got to be just a not noticing like we talk about this when you’re when you’re camped somewhere or you’re at a beach or you’re at a park and for whatever reason the other person the other party they just feel like i should set up right next to this other human being
[0:15:48 – 0:15:49] Adam: Like things like that.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:50] Adam: Total lack of awareness.
[0:15:50 – 0:15:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:52] Erik: And it’s just like, I don’t know.
[0:15:52 – 0:16:00] Erik: That’s just, I think that’s just a, that’s a dendrite that’s not attaching in their head that they don’t even think about it.
[0:16:01 – 0:16:01] Adam: Yeah.
[0:16:01 – 0:16:02] Adam: Got a loose dendrite.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:06] Erik: That’s a bunch of loose dendrites walking around.
[0:16:06 – 0:16:07] Erik: I’ll tell you that.
[0:16:10 – 0:16:25] Erik: yikes yeah it is angry august as you can tell it’s it’s real fun about that time of year where the uh the uh bitching and moaning about work and living in a tourist community has spilled over onto this uh
[0:16:26 – 0:16:41] Erik: podcast which is supposed to be an escape for all of you and for us too so maybe we should move on before we start saying real heinous things moving on we’re at well we’ve said our uh we’ve said our we’ve eaten our dumplings
[0:16:42 – 0:16:43] Erik: We’ve eaten our dumplings.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:46] Adam: It’s time to put the bowl in the sink.
[0:16:48 – 0:16:56] Adam: We have a special show sponsor, Art Supply, from Way, Wisconsin, from Brother Andrew.
[0:16:56 – 0:17:04] Adam: Thank you for dropping these off when you came up a couple weeks ago to go biking, riding the bike and floating in the lake.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:09] Adam: We got ourselves, I don’t know if we’ve actually, we probably have had this on the show before.
[0:17:10 – 0:17:38] Adam: New Glarus Brewing Company Moon Man No Coast Pale Ale Always Only in Wisconsin And you’re going to want to drink this Wisconsinably I believe Yeah It’s one of my favorites And anytime Andrew’s coming up And he’s like do you need anything He’s like if you see any good sweet corn Please stop and get it And of course I’m going to need some Moon Man please Of course the Moon Man
[0:17:38 – 0:17:40] Adam: So thank you, Brother Andrew.
[0:17:40 – 0:17:44] Adam: I’m going to give it a 10 out of 10.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:44] Erik: It’s an import.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:45] SPEAKER_02: I can’t even drink it yet.
[0:17:45 – 0:17:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:46] Erik: You know it’s good.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:49] Erik: I’ve got an Olipop Orange Squeeze.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:52] Erik: This is microbiome approved.
[0:17:52 – 0:17:53] Erik: Okay.
[0:17:53 – 0:17:54] Adam: It’s good for your biomes.
[0:17:56 – 0:18:00] Adam: To be fair, I had a 12-pack of the Moon Man, but I drank a few of them.
[0:18:00 – 0:18:01] Erik: That’s the last one.
[0:18:02 – 0:18:04] Adam: No, I managed to save more than one, Eric.
[0:18:04 – 0:18:06] Adam: Okay.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:08] Adam: Not many more than one, though.
[0:18:08 – 0:18:13] Adam: But, yeah, we had a few of these up at the Trails End Campground, which we discussed previously.
[0:18:14 – 0:18:20] Adam: And so, yeah, I actually, yeah, I wanted to make sure we got these on soon.
[0:18:21 – 0:18:27] Adam: Well, the memory of Brother Andrew floating down the Segal River in his inner tube was still fresh in my mind.
[0:18:28 – 0:18:30] Adam: I can’t believe he did that wearing just the jean shorts.
[0:18:33 – 0:18:55] Erik: hmm tanks and tanks and shorts what was that reacher i have my first thought was sticky but reacher is way better although there’s gotta be some kind of uh clothing a long clothing sash yeah there you go tanks and sacks and shit tank and sash
[0:18:56 – 0:18:57] Erik: There you go.
[0:18:57 – 0:18:57] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:58 – 0:19:00] Erik: Crime buddy cop.
[0:19:00 – 0:19:01] Adam: Crime solving duo.
[0:19:01 – 0:19:03] Adam: Series from the 70s.
[0:19:04 – 0:19:06] Adam: I got to almost solve a crime this week.
[0:19:06 – 0:19:06] Adam: Oh, God.
[0:19:06 – 0:19:08] Adam: I didn’t manage to do it, though.
[0:19:08 – 0:19:09] Adam: Oh, well.
[0:19:10 – 0:19:14] Erik: What were the ramifications if you would have solved it?
[0:19:15 – 0:19:15] Adam: Nothing.
[0:19:16 – 0:19:22] Adam: I was not expecting any reward or anything had I actually helped in the case.
[0:19:22 – 0:19:26] Adam: But somebody got apparently hit and run in the parking lot.
[0:19:26 – 0:19:26] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:19:26 – 0:19:29] Adam: And so I was able to access the security footage.
[0:19:30 – 0:19:30] Adam: Ooh.
[0:19:31 – 0:19:37] Adam: But I’m pretty sure because they gave me a pretty good time stamp and description.
[0:19:38 – 0:19:40] Adam: And so I went in and sure enough, there’s the vehicle.
[0:19:41 – 0:19:44] Adam: And a guy went into Stone Harbor.
[0:19:46 – 0:19:48] Adam: And I see him and I’m like, okay, this has got to be it.
[0:19:48 – 0:19:51] Adam: And I watched him for the whole nine minutes he was in Stone Harbor.
[0:19:51 – 0:19:52] Adam: Nobody came within like…
[0:19:52 – 0:20:06] Adam: 10 car lengths of this person wow so then i i deduced my detective work that uh this uh if there was damage to the rear bumper which i couldn’t see it had happened before they stopped there sure
[0:20:08 – 0:20:08] Adam: Case closed.
[0:20:08 – 0:20:10] Adam: Case closed.
[0:20:11 – 0:20:13] Adam: Wipe our hands of that one.
[0:20:13 – 0:20:18] Adam: Brother Andrew, thanks for the moon, man, and thanks for coming up and helping to eat all that watermelon.
[0:20:18 – 0:20:19] Adam: It was a lot of fun.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:21] Adam: So, yeah, this is delicious.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:24] Adam: Anybody ever makes their way to Wisconsin, case closed.
[0:20:24 – 0:20:25] Adam: This is the best.
[0:20:27 – 0:20:27] Adam: It’s not an IPA.
[0:20:28 – 0:20:30] Adam: It’s a no-coast pale ale.
[0:20:31 – 0:20:32] Adam: Two cases closed.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:33] Adam: There you go.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:36] Adam: End of story.
[0:20:36 – 0:20:37] Erik: End of story.
[0:20:37 – 0:20:39] Erik: We’re going to open up another case.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:40] Erik: The case of the…
[0:20:42 – 0:20:42] Adam: Worst.
[0:20:43 – 0:20:44] Erik: Worst campsite.
[0:20:45 – 0:20:46] Erik: Or worst campsites.
[0:20:47 – 0:20:55] Erik: Or just the general concept of the obsession that I have had, that many people have.
[0:20:57 – 0:20:59] Erik: Just the whole concept of reviewing things.
[0:21:00 – 0:21:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:01 – 0:21:02] Erik: The idea of
[0:21:04 – 0:21:10] Erik: like trying to judge something that’s so like subjective on like a scale.
[0:21:11 – 0:21:17] Erik: You know, some of the places that you see campsites reviewed, they’re not like you have to fill in how many stars you think it deserves.
[0:21:17 – 0:21:21] Erik: Like you can just let you let people know what your thoughts are or provide a picture.
[0:21:22 – 0:21:48] Erik: but there are so many of them that are like we got to give it a grade and i had done this this was one of my uh yeah passion projects at clearwater back in the day was reviewing campsites early in the year late in the year during covid closures where you had free access you knew the sites were going to be open that was that was some good times those were the glory days um but yeah campsites do you think you’ve reviewed in your life
[0:21:49 – 0:21:49] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:21:49 – 0:21:51] Erik: A couple hundred.
[0:21:52 – 0:21:52] Erik: At least.
[0:21:52 – 0:21:55] Erik: Like officially with photographic evidence and a little write up.
[0:21:55 – 0:21:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:56 – 0:21:56] Erik: A few hundred.
[0:21:57 – 0:21:57] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:57 – 0:22:00] Erik: It’s all still there on ClearwaterHistoricLodge.com.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:02] Adam: It’s my favorite website of all time.
[0:22:02 – 0:22:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:03 – 0:22:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:03 – 0:22:04] Adam: My words.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:09] Adam: There’s probably still a bunch of pictures of you and I on that website too somewhere.
[0:22:09 – 0:22:28] Erik: You’re on – I went through just to look through some of the bad ones on SAG because those were – in my recollection, and I don’t think that I’m too far off here, is some of the worst ones that I remember reviewing and having a pretty good time writing the description about them were on SAG and AGAW.
[0:22:29 – 0:22:31] Erik: And, yeah, you’re definitely very much in a lot of those pictures.
[0:22:31 – 0:22:35] Erik: Not like the focal point or anything, but you’re in them.
[0:22:35 – 0:22:37] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:22:37 – 0:22:44] Adam: Last time I went to Clearwater’s website, just on the homepage, it was just a real zoomed-in picture of just your face right on the homepage.
[0:22:44 – 0:22:46] Erik: Yeah, just my eyes.
[0:22:46 – 0:22:50] Erik: Some kind of a true crime documentary Netflix homepage.
[0:22:50 – 0:22:53] Adam: Yeah, and it just said in big, bold letters, we’re going to find them.
[0:22:54 – 0:22:55] Adam: I was like, what’s that mean?
[0:22:55 – 0:22:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:55] Adam: Odd.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:56] Adam: That’s odd.
[0:22:57 – 0:22:57] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:22:58 – 0:23:04] Adam: I thought that their website would be going in a different direction, trying to play up on the majesty of the wilderness and the relaxation out there.
[0:23:04 – 0:23:06] Erik: No, they’re still looking for me.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:08] Erik: Have you seen this man?
[0:23:08 – 0:23:10] Adam: Have you seen this boy?
[0:23:10 – 0:23:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:11 – 0:23:12] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:23:12 – 0:23:21] Erik: There’s like everything at this point in the show, we’ve discussed this in varying degrees.
[0:23:21 – 0:23:25] Erik: I don’t think we’ve ever – we’ve never talked about like specifically bad sites.
[0:23:26 – 0:23:33] Erik: And I feel like before we started recording, you were kind of going through the list of some that you had found online that were bad.
[0:23:33 – 0:23:35] Erik: I’ve got a couple that I’ve written.
[0:23:35 – 0:23:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:53] Erik: But the whole reason this started is just because of the last night that we spent on the four-night, three-night, four-day trip this spring where we ended up on a site which five years previously or even before the trip would have been like…
[0:23:53 – 0:24:18] Erik: kind of shocking for us to even consider because i don’t know over the years of us paddling and camping together i feel like you know we’ve stayed at some i don’t know if it’s been by chance or if we have been this uh selective over the years but we always stay at like pretty nice sites yeah we’re generally pretty picky i think that’s that’s kind of how i feel too
[0:24:19 – 0:24:23] Adam: We’re not afraid to stop early either if we find a site we really like.
[0:24:23 – 0:24:24] Adam: We’re just, all right, we’re staying.
[0:24:24 – 0:24:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:25 – 0:24:31] Erik: But this last trip, I think, was maybe one of the first times where it was just so much more clear to me that it was just like I…
[0:24:33 – 0:24:57] Erik: just wanted to be done you know and it was like well there’s this we know that there is a site here and once we spent the afternoon and the night and then that next morning there i was like this is uh i wouldn’t necessarily say to a stranger that it’s a great site but it’s not a terrible site right and so i you know just in terms of like
[0:24:57 – 0:25:05] Erik: And so many of those campsite reviews that I did over the years was basically just me either paddling because that’s all I could do.
[0:25:05 – 0:25:14] Erik: Or when we had lake access with motorboat usage allowed, you know, we’d motorboat around, do as many as we could do.
[0:25:14 – 0:25:18] Erik: And then, but you’re always just, sometimes we didn’t even get out of the boat.
[0:25:18 – 0:25:19] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:19 – 0:25:20] Erik: And you just could tell.
[0:25:20 – 0:25:21] Erik: You’re like, well, that one’s not good.
[0:25:21 – 0:25:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:22 – 0:25:25] Erik: And that’s probably what happens with that site unwipped.
[0:25:25 – 0:25:28] Erik: People are forced to paddle by it, so they see it, and they’re just like, meh.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:29] Adam: Doesn’t look good.
[0:25:29 – 0:25:31] Adam: Looks like nobody else is staying there, so why would I?
[0:25:32 – 0:25:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:32 – 0:25:45] Adam: In a lot of ways, unfortunately, I think that once a site becomes kind of scrappy and underused like that, then it does perpetuate the use.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:49] Adam: People see that nobody’s staying there, and then they’re like, well, I’m not staying there either.
[0:25:49 – 0:26:10] Adam: yeah it takes like uh it takes kind of a deranged uh a deranged individual to see a site like that and be like you know i think this looks like home for the night yeah i am gonna stay yeah i guess and all it takes is one person having a fire in that grate and then the next person that stops by i’m like well yeah we can make this work you know i don’t know it’s interesting how that goes
[0:26:10 – 0:26:26] Erik: I mean, I feel like the vast majority of sites, I don’t know if I could give a percentage or anything, but the vast majority of them I don’t even think deserve a grade because they’re all kind of just in that.
[0:26:26 – 0:26:33] Erik: Just as an example, the 60-some sites on SAG, they’re all like C- to B+.
[0:26:33 – 0:26:33] Adam: Acceptable.
[0:26:34 – 0:26:50] Erik: Yeah, they’re all acceptable and you and whatever party you’re with and whatever the dynamics of your group is, the kind of food you’re going to bring out, the fishing, all these other things are going to go into making that site get bumped up or down regardless.
[0:26:50 – 0:26:57] Erik: It’s really only like the outliers that are like, well, this is just shockingly beautiful.
[0:26:57 – 0:26:59] Erik: I can’t even believe that we get to stay here.
[0:26:59 – 0:27:01] Erik: Levels of like A plus sites.
[0:27:02 – 0:27:06] Erik: And then just like unusable, like full blown, nobody’s been here.
[0:27:06 – 0:27:09] Erik: This is basically a grassland with a fire grate.
[0:27:10 – 0:27:10] Erik: Abandoned.
[0:27:11 – 0:27:11] Erik: Yeah.
[0:27:11 – 0:27:14] Erik: And I feel like everything else is usable.
[0:27:14 – 0:27:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:27:15 – 0:27:18] Erik: And then there’s just the funny ones and then just the incredible ones.
[0:27:18 – 0:27:26] Erik: Like, I don’t know, getting down to like giving like C minus or B plus to sites is, I mean, it’s always fun to do.
[0:27:28 – 0:27:32] Erik: But it’s not really too much of a difference one way or another.
[0:27:32 – 0:27:37] Erik: They’re all very nice, I would say.
[0:27:37 – 0:27:38] Erik: They’re all very nice.
[0:27:38 – 0:27:39] Erik: Nice to very nice.
[0:27:39 – 0:27:40] Adam: And we’re having a good time.
[0:27:40 – 0:27:41] Erik: And we’re having a good time.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:49] Adam: Yeah, we stayed on whip, though, and it was because in episode 252 or whatever, we’re staying on whipped and having a good time.
[0:27:50 – 0:28:07] Adam: But in episode 17 and 19 of Tumble Home, way back in the day, if anybody can even imagine such a long distance in time backwards, Natalie and I stopped there for lunch and were mocking that anybody would be foolish to stay here for an overnight.
[0:28:08 – 0:28:19] Adam: And so I thought that the character arc for Camp Staten Whipped for this show is, I think, now fulfilled and pretty funny because it went from no way in hell to…
[0:28:20 – 0:28:43] Adam: actually we stayed there and it was pretty nice yeah and then that kind of like sums up my whole attitude towards campsite like reviews and assessment over that time span too like i was a little bit probably too picky back in the beginning of the show yeah and i’ve learned that really even the worst sites uh you know as long as you can get a good night’s sleep somehow in there well that’s the whole deal
[0:28:44 – 0:28:53] Adam: Now, I’ve been reading a lot of bad campsite reviews, and there’s mainly a couple reasons why they get a one-star review, and I’m in on Paddle Planner.
[0:28:54 – 0:29:02] Adam: Eric’s using some of the reviews from the Clearwater website, which he wrote most of them, and I helped paddle to some of them.
[0:29:02 – 0:29:06] Erik: You were along for almost all of those, I believe.
[0:29:06 – 0:29:09] Adam: So, you know, Clearwater, great website.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:10] Adam: Check it out.
[0:29:10 – 0:29:11] Adam: It’s all Eric’s work.
[0:29:12 – 0:29:13] Adam: And I’m in some of the pictures.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:16] Adam: But it’s a great resource.
[0:29:16 – 0:29:16] Adam: It really is.
[0:29:16 – 0:29:18] Adam: I still send people there to this day.
[0:29:19 – 0:29:22] Erik: It’s the top Google result for Saginaw Lake campsites.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:24] Adam: It’s still to this day.
[0:29:24 – 0:29:26] Adam: Well, we got into the internet at the right time, Eric.
[0:29:27 – 0:29:27] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:29:27 – 0:29:31] Adam: But there’s a couple different ways that people will end up giving a bad review.
[0:29:32 – 0:29:38] Adam: And it’s one, if the area got burned very badly recently, then automatically going to generate a lot of bad reviews.
[0:29:38 – 0:29:41] Adam: And the reviews are just generally like, it’s burnt.
[0:29:41 – 0:29:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:29:41 – 0:29:42] Adam: Moving on.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:47] Adam: And then, you know, you get the ones where it’s like, nobody’s stayed here in years.
[0:29:47 – 0:29:48] Adam: I’m not staying here.
[0:29:48 – 0:29:49] Adam: This place is crazy.
[0:29:49 – 0:29:50] Adam: It’s probably haunted.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:50] Adam: Yeah.
[0:29:51 – 0:30:05] Adam: And then, you know, there’s also the like, well, it’s a nice site, but somebody left a litter, which reminds me of the island site on Adams that we stayed at, which was an incredible campsite.
[0:30:05 – 0:30:17] Adam: But I was saying before we hit record, like the only really the only thing I remember about that site is talking about the Bobby and Rex’s because somebody had left like a pair of underwear on the site, even though it was a really nice site.
[0:30:19 – 0:30:24] Adam: Really, the only memory I have, unfortunately, is this old pair of underwear.
[0:30:24 – 0:30:26] Erik: I still remember the underwear, yeah.
[0:30:26 – 0:30:31] Adam: So, yeah, like litter really heavily skews people’s grading.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:31] Adam: Yeah.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:33] Adam: That’s my interpretation.
[0:30:34 – 0:30:39] Adam: I just went through and clicked on pretty much every campsite in the Boundary Waters on Paddle Planner in the last couple days.
[0:30:40 – 0:30:41] Erik: Charred logs.
[0:30:41 – 0:30:42] Adam: And all the bad ones, yeah.
[0:30:42 – 0:30:45] Adam: It’s like, well, this spot got burnt and it was full of litter.
[0:30:46 – 0:30:48] Adam: Can I give it zero stars?
[0:30:48 – 0:30:52] Erik: And then you also have the weird category of people will be like, one star.
[0:30:54 – 0:30:55] Adam: I saw the Northern Lights.
[0:30:55 – 0:30:57] Adam: The landing’s pretty good, and we caught a couple walleye.
[0:30:58 – 0:30:59] Adam: That’s the review?
[0:30:59 – 0:31:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:00 – 0:31:00] Adam: Why?
[0:31:01 – 0:31:06] Adam: There’s still a slice of society that straight up doesn’t understand what one star versus five star means?
[0:31:07 – 0:31:07] Adam: How’s that possible?
[0:31:08 – 0:31:09] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:31:09 – 0:31:11] Erik: They just missed that.
[0:31:11 – 0:31:12] Adam: Maybe they just hit the button wrong?
[0:31:12 – 0:31:13] Adam: Yeah, I guess.
[0:31:13 – 0:31:15] Adam: Or they really don’t get that one star’s the worst.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:25] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know if there’s ever been a grading scale in the history of humanity where one was the best, but I think it’s just a misunderstanding or just not taking it as seriously.
[0:31:25 – 0:31:27] Adam: Yeah, they’re not taking it as seriously.
[0:31:27 – 0:31:33] Erik: Yeah, I mean, the worst is when it’s actually affecting, like when people do it to businesses or products.
[0:31:33 – 0:31:34] Adam: Yeah, this is a campsite.
[0:31:34 – 0:31:35] Adam: Nobody’s losing out.
[0:31:35 – 0:31:37] Adam: No, no, it’s not like there’s some…
[0:31:37 – 0:31:39] Adam: This fire grades feelings are really hurt, though.
[0:31:39 – 0:31:39] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:31:40 – 0:31:42] Adam: Yeah, and businesses, you know.
[0:31:42 – 0:31:46] Erik: Where it’s just like, best meal, the servers were so nice.
[0:31:46 – 0:31:49] Erik: I mean, the mulligatani was chef’s kiss, one star.
[0:31:50 – 0:31:51] Erik: It’s like, what?
[0:31:52 – 0:31:53] Adam: Okay.
[0:31:54 – 0:31:59] Adam: Excellent location, beautiful store, friendly staff.
[0:31:59 – 0:32:03] Adam: Unfortunately, the chicken dumpling soup had no dumplings in it.
[0:32:03 – 0:32:04] Adam: Five star, though.
[0:32:05 – 0:32:07] Erik: It was only broth.
[0:32:08 – 0:32:10] Erik: Somebody picked out the dumplings.
[0:32:11 – 0:32:17] Adam: Did I tell you about a couple weeks ago, somebody was like, there’s a bunch of pepper in the soup.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:18] Adam: I was like, what?
[0:32:20 – 0:32:20] Erik: Who said this?
[0:32:20 – 0:32:21] Erik: Just some person?
[0:32:21 – 0:32:31] Adam: It was reported to the deli that there’s a bunch of pepper in the soup, and the person working went out there, and I was on the scene, but not immediately.
[0:32:32 – 0:32:37] Adam: But it wasn’t that somebody actually put a bunch of pepper in the soup or put too much pepper.
[0:32:37 – 0:32:39] Adam: It was that the little pepper packets…
[0:32:40 – 0:32:46] Adam: Some sick maniac had grabbed a whole fistful of just the pepper packets and thrown that straight into the soup and then shut the lid and walked away.
[0:32:46 – 0:32:46] Adam: What?
[0:32:47 – 0:32:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:48] Adam: What kind of sabotage?
[0:32:48 – 0:32:50] Adam: We had to throw the whole batch of soup away.
[0:32:51 – 0:32:51] Erik: Why?
[0:32:51 – 0:32:54] Erik: I mean, it’s shocking to me that this is even…
[0:32:55 – 0:32:58] Adam: This is the kind of person that would give a good site a one-star review.
[0:32:58 – 0:32:59] Erik: That’s got to be like a kid.
[0:32:59 – 0:33:01] Erik: It’s got to be like some…
[0:33:01 – 0:33:03] Adam: Even if it’s a kid, like what’s wrong with this kid?
[0:33:04 – 0:33:07] Erik: I mean, that’s borderline psychopathic behavior there.
[0:33:07 – 0:33:11] Adam: Yeah, this is the kind of person that tortures animals probably.
[0:33:11 – 0:33:12] Adam: Exactly, yeah.
[0:33:12 – 0:33:13] Adam: What’s wrong?
[0:33:13 – 0:33:14] Adam: What happened to you?
[0:33:14 – 0:33:16] Adam: What made you like this?
[0:33:16 – 0:33:17] Adam: Completely ruined a pot of food.
[0:33:18 – 0:33:19] Adam: This goes beyond stealing the dumplings.
[0:33:19 – 0:33:22] Adam: This is like, are you okay?
[0:33:22 – 0:33:26] Adam: Do we need to put you in a padded room for the good of society?
[0:33:27 – 0:33:35] Erik: Yeah, I would hope one day that person would grow up and feel some semblance of shame for that.
[0:33:35 – 0:33:36] Adam: I don’t even remember they did it.
[0:33:37 – 0:33:41] Erik: Or maybe it was just some crazy person who’s fully grown.
[0:33:42 – 0:33:43] Adam: That’s the thing.
[0:33:43 – 0:33:45] Adam: I could have been a fully grown adult.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:46] Adam: No, I had not heard that.
[0:33:47 – 0:33:47] Erik: That’s wild.
[0:33:47 – 0:34:00] Erik: It’s things like that that make you not surprised when you go to the cities and you see just how different places like co-ops or anything where there’s food to the public or…
[0:34:01 – 0:34:05] Erik: Anybody is going to take advantage of every little opportunity and steal all the dumplings.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:14] Erik: Some crazy person, some sick nut is going to throw in a fistful of pepper packets into the communal soup pot.
[0:34:15 – 0:34:16] Erik: So now we can’t have any of it.
[0:34:16 – 0:34:24] Erik: Now I’m selling you a stick of gum from behind three inches of bulletproof glass at a gas station because that’s where it starts.
[0:34:25 – 0:34:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:26 – 0:34:28] Erik: It’s just a crazy world out there, man.
[0:34:29 – 0:34:29] Adam: What do you want to make a bet?
[0:34:30 – 0:34:33] Adam: Like what year are we going to see bulletproof glass in Grammaray?
[0:34:34 – 0:34:35] Adam: Oh God, I don’t know.
[0:34:35 – 0:34:36] Adam: I mean, is there already some?
[0:34:36 – 0:34:37] Adam: There probably is.
[0:34:37 – 0:34:44] Erik: This is truly, this should just be called soup because this is just turning into a real old man episode.
[0:34:44 – 0:34:45] Erik: This is soup.
[0:34:45 – 0:34:46] Erik: Kids these days.
[0:34:46 – 0:34:47] Adam: Soup.
[0:34:47 – 0:34:47] Adam: Soup.
[0:34:48 – 0:34:56] Adam: I’ll tell you about a weird soup one time I found in a, this might have been out of the Moosewood too, which is where the cucumber cold soup came from.
[0:34:56 – 0:34:57] Adam: It’s a great recipe book.
[0:34:57 – 0:35:03] Adam: The Moosewood Cookbook, if anybody out there is listening to this show and somehow hasn’t picked up the Moosewood, go ahead and find yourself a copy.
[0:35:03 – 0:35:05] Adam: I have one at the co-op, actually.
[0:35:05 – 0:35:08] Adam: So next time you stop by, ask to see the Moosewood.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:10] Adam: I’ll show you the White Rabbit Salad.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:12] Adam: That one’s a real fun one.
[0:35:12 – 0:35:13] Adam: It involves cottage cheese.
[0:35:14 – 0:35:39] Adam: that one’s great yeah it is uh avocado velu uh it’s like mashed up avocado onion and then at the end you add in like lemon juice and like raw egg and this is a soup yes it’s like uh it’s like a creamy egg avocado onion soup is the is the lemon cooking the raw egg
[0:35:39 – 0:35:41] Adam: No, the heat still is.
[0:35:41 – 0:35:42] Adam: Oh, you are cooking it.
[0:35:42 – 0:35:43] Adam: You are cooking it at that point.
[0:35:44 – 0:35:47] Adam: The lemon’s there to balance out the avocado, I would assume.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:48] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:35:48 – 0:35:51] Erik: Are you dipping like toast triangles in this?
[0:35:51 – 0:35:52] Adam: You should, yeah.
[0:35:53 – 0:35:54] Adam: You don’t need to, but you should.
[0:35:55 – 0:35:56] Erik: Seems like a good dipping soup.
[0:35:58 – 0:35:59] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:35:59 – 0:36:02] Adam: I made it like twice, and it didn’t sell very well.
[0:36:02 – 0:36:09] Adam: So that was back in the day when we had that kind of time to spend making experimental French soups.
[0:36:09 – 0:36:10] Erik: Yeah, not anymore.
[0:36:11 – 0:36:12] Erik: No.
[0:36:12 – 0:36:14] Erik: You better keep making the dumplings.
[0:36:14 – 0:36:16] Erik: Cooked beef and ketchup.
[0:36:17 – 0:36:17] Erik: Okay.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:19] Adam: I guess I’ll have some.
[0:36:21 – 0:36:22] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:36:23 – 0:36:27] Adam: I would like to start with this.
[0:36:28 – 0:36:29] Adam: I found this review.
[0:36:29 – 0:36:31] Erik: You have some actual reviews here, which I am very excited to hear.
[0:36:31 – 0:36:34] Adam: I took a bunch of screen grabs of the best.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:42] Adam: So the problem is a lot of the one-star reviews are either like they’re actually a good review or they’re just like, I would never stay here.
[0:36:42 – 0:36:43] Adam: One star.
[0:36:43 – 0:36:43] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:43 – 0:36:44] Adam: I’m not going to read that out loud.
[0:36:45 – 0:36:47] Erik: We passed by in the night and I could tell.
[0:36:47 – 0:36:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:47 – 0:36:48] Erik: Bad sight.
[0:36:48 – 0:36:50] Adam: I had got bad vibes.
[0:36:50 – 0:36:51] Adam: Bad vibe.
[0:36:51 – 0:36:52] Adam: Vibe bads.
[0:36:54 – 0:37:00] Adam: And anyways, this one was brought to my attention, but it was posted recently.
[0:37:01 – 0:37:03] Erik: Somebody brought this one to your attention?
[0:37:03 – 0:37:06] Adam: This was posted on the Discord, and you’ll see why shortly, Eric.
[0:37:06 – 0:37:07] Adam: Okay.
[0:37:07 – 0:37:10] Adam: So this is for a campsite on Snipe.
[0:37:10 – 0:37:11] Adam: Oh, our site?
[0:37:11 – 0:37:12] Adam: Yes.
[0:37:12 – 0:37:13] Adam: Oh, okay.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:17] Adam: One star review, max 10 pads won.
[0:37:17 – 0:37:21] Adam: This is from Paddle Planner on June 11th.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:22] Erik: Of this year?
[0:37:22 – 0:37:23] Adam: Yeah, as of 2024.
[0:37:23 – 0:37:24] Adam: June 11th?
[0:37:24 – 0:37:26] Erik: That was like a week after we were there.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:30] Adam: As of 2024, Tumble Home Island is easily the worst site on the lake.
[0:37:31 – 0:37:31] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:37:31 – 0:37:33] Adam: Something wicked has happened to this site.
[0:37:33 – 0:37:37] Adam: It used to be okay, but it has fallen into a sad state of disrepair.
[0:37:37 – 0:37:41] Adam: Poor fire grate, no hammock trees, awful tent pads.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:43] Adam: Mosquitoes are atrocious.
[0:37:43 – 0:37:45] Adam: Don’t even bother coming all the way over.
[0:37:45 – 0:37:46] Adam: Skip it and try elsewhere.
[0:37:47 – 0:37:48] Adam: You’ll thank me later.
[0:37:48 – 0:37:52] Adam: Plus, it’s haunted by a ghost and not the good kind.
[0:37:52 – 0:37:53] Erik: Wow.
[0:37:53 – 0:37:53] Adam: All right.
[0:37:53 – 0:37:54] Erik: Not the good kind.
[0:37:55 – 0:37:55] Adam: That was from…
[0:37:57 – 0:37:59] Adam: Someone named Scotty Baldwin.
[0:38:00 – 0:38:00] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:38:00 – 0:38:02] Erik: Okay.
[0:38:02 – 0:38:04] Erik: The honey man’s behind this one.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:05] Adam: He’s up to no good.
[0:38:05 – 0:38:06] Adam: That’s pretty funny.
[0:38:07 – 0:38:08] Erik: He’s in China.
[0:38:08 – 0:38:14] Erik: This is like those people on the bird app claiming to have seen the swamp sparrow all the way down from Peoria or whatever.
[0:38:14 – 0:38:21] Adam: Yeah, it’s definitely a fake review on our behalf so that nobody else tries to go to our island, which I think is admirable.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:21] Adam: I guess.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:22] Adam: Thank you.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:22] Erik: Sure.
[0:38:23 – 0:38:28] Adam: And I know that Scotty Baldwin has actually stayed on the site, just not this year, as far as I know.
[0:38:29 – 0:38:32] Erik: You can’t backdate it, so it’s when the review was left.
[0:38:32 – 0:38:32] Adam: Exactly.
[0:38:32 – 0:38:34] Adam: This is a historical review.
[0:38:35 – 0:38:35] Adam: I’ve been there.
[0:38:36 – 0:38:37] Erik: Based on memory, though.
[0:38:37 – 0:38:41] Erik: There should be a footnote or an asterisk under that that said, this is based on memory.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:42] Adam: One star.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:43] Adam: Too many Nashville warblers.
[0:38:43 – 0:38:45] Erik: Too many warblers.
[0:38:45 – 0:38:46] Adam: I’m sick of these warblers.
[0:38:47 – 0:38:51] Adam: I haven’t been able to find any reviews like that on here, though, unfortunately.
[0:38:51 – 0:38:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:38:51 – 0:38:52] Erik: Hatred for birds?
[0:38:53 – 0:38:55] Adam: Yeah, just in general.
[0:38:55 – 0:38:58] Adam: That kind of energy to the review.
[0:38:58 – 0:39:06] Adam: Such a crazed reasoning for giving it a good or a bad grade, I guess.
[0:39:06 – 0:39:08] Erik: Yeah, this is the kind of person that after…
[0:39:08 – 0:39:09] Adam: The trees were too noisy.
[0:39:09 – 0:39:17] Erik: Yeah, stopping at the co-op, dumping a bunch of pepper packets in the soup, and then went up and stayed at a campsite and bitched about how the loons didn’t shut up all night.
[0:39:17 – 0:39:19] Erik: That’s the kind of person who does stuff like that.
[0:39:19 – 0:39:19] Erik: Exactly.
[0:39:21 – 0:39:22] Adam: We’re out there.
[0:39:23 – 0:39:26] Adam: I know you’ve been to Rush, but have you ever stayed on Rush Lake?
[0:39:27 – 0:39:29] Erik: I’ve never stayed on it, no.
[0:39:29 – 0:39:33] Adam: Using a skipper portage entry point off of Poplar for Rush?
[0:39:35 – 0:39:58] Adam: uh i think i had a couple weird bad reviews for rush i just want to make sure i have this right so i had rush 612 and rush 583 both are very bad apparently how are these sites numbered so this is i don’t know if this is the paddle planners own like proprietary numbering system or this is 30 numbers apart on the same lake
[0:39:59 – 0:40:00] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:40:00 – 0:40:01] Adam: I don’t know, Eric.
[0:40:01 – 0:40:04] Erik: We need a massive overhaul when it comes to the numbering system.
[0:40:04 – 0:40:05] Adam: Yeah, we need a uniformity.
[0:40:06 – 0:40:14] Adam: Like in soup, the onions and the carrots, they got to be cut the same size.
[0:40:14 – 0:40:15] Adam: Uniformity, please.
[0:40:15 – 0:40:16] Erik: It’s chapter one.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:17] Erik: Basics.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:18] Erik: Intro to basics.
[0:40:20 – 0:40:21] Erik: Uniformity.
[0:40:22 – 0:40:23] Adam: What do they call that?
[0:40:26 – 0:40:31] Adam: The combination of ingredients that starts most soups.
[0:40:31 – 0:40:32] Erik: The mirepoix?
[0:40:32 – 0:40:33] Adam: The mirepoix.
[0:40:33 – 0:40:34] Erik: The Holy Trinity.
[0:40:34 – 0:40:35] Adam: The Holy Trinity.
[0:40:35 – 0:40:37] Adam: It’s a 2-1-1 ratio.
[0:40:37 – 0:40:40] Adam: I was thinking about adding that as an interview question.
[0:40:42 – 0:40:46] Adam: I couldn’t even come up with it on my own in the middle of recording a podcast.
[0:40:46 – 0:40:48] Adam: What’s the proper ratio of a mirepoix?
[0:40:49 – 0:40:50] Adam: How many teaspoons are in a tablespoon?
[0:40:51 – 0:40:53] Erik: How many quarts are in a…
[0:40:55 – 0:40:57] Adam: Barrel.
[0:40:57 – 0:40:57] Adam: 64.
[0:40:59 – 0:41:05] Adam: Montana Paddler left this review for Rush Lake on August of 2019.
[0:41:06 – 0:41:06] Adam: One star.
[0:41:07 – 0:41:09] Adam: Worst site I’ve ever seen.
[0:41:09 – 0:41:12] Adam: No trees, so nowhere to hang food or hammocks.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:15] Adam: One crappy tent pad out in the open.
[0:41:15 – 0:41:18] Adam: Nice view, but the unused fire grate has no benches.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:23] Adam: The only nice thing about this site is that it’s full of blueberry bushes.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:26] Adam: But pick the berries on your way to somewhere better.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:27] Adam: Nice.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:29] Erik: There you go.
[0:41:29 – 0:41:32] Erik: I love the description of just calling something crappy.
[0:41:33 – 0:41:36] Adam: Yeah, this is crappy.
[0:41:37 – 0:41:39] Adam: I like the usernames on Paddle Planner, too.
[0:41:39 – 0:41:45] Adam: KZH later said about the same site, Zero Star somehow.
[0:41:45 – 0:41:48] Adam: Completely bald in amongst a lot of burn damage.
[0:41:49 – 0:41:49] Adam: I don’t think so.
[0:41:50 – 0:41:53] Erik: Yeah, I mean, isn’t that where the…
[0:41:55 – 0:42:14] Adam: section of the ham lake fire when it kind of looped i guess it did just nip it there a little bit yeah this is another one on rush 583 different site yeah but this one references the previous site oh god this is by lynn sate and uh this was left in february of 2020
[0:42:15 – 0:42:16] Erik: Yeah, that’s a good…
[0:42:16 – 0:42:18] Erik: I just need something to do.
[0:42:18 – 0:42:20] Adam: I’m scared of this Chinese virus.
[0:42:20 – 0:42:24] Adam: I’m going to leave some reviews.
[0:42:24 – 0:42:25] Adam: Visit date was…
[0:42:25 – 0:42:27] Adam: They do have a field for visit date.
[0:42:27 – 0:42:29] Adam: This was in August of 2019 was the visit.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:34] Adam: After discovering Site 612 was unusable, we came here.
[0:42:34 – 0:42:38] Adam: We actually really liked this site, but it wouldn’t work for a group of any size.
[0:42:39 – 0:42:47] Adam: Nice fire grate and rock-faced common area, but the path down to the middle of the little peninsula to the latrine pretty much occupies the only level parts of the site.
[0:42:47 – 0:42:57] Adam: With a small tent, we were able to tuck in with the whole actual tent on level ground, but could only use one door because the other side was right against the edge of a drop-off down to the lake.
[0:42:58 – 0:43:06] Adam: It’s a pretty sight with lots of moss and wildlife, and we had some sort of giant beetle-like bug hang out with us in the common area while we fixed dinner.
[0:43:07 – 0:43:09] Adam: We called them bigums.
[0:43:09 – 0:43:09] UNKNOWN: Ha!
[0:43:11 – 0:43:15] Adam: And now you see why this review made it onto the show.
[0:43:15 – 0:43:16] Adam: Biggums.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:17] Adam: Biggums the beetle.
[0:43:17 – 0:43:19] Adam: I like it.
[0:43:20 – 0:43:21] Adam: Yeah, that was on Rush Lake.
[0:43:21 – 0:43:23] Adam: So they skipped over the previous site.
[0:43:24 – 0:43:26] Adam: 612 is deemed unusable.
[0:43:27 – 0:43:33] Adam: And so they ended up on, what is it, 583 on Rush, which was rated two stars somehow.
[0:43:34 – 0:43:38] Adam: But that was probably one star for how good the site was and one star just for Biggums.
[0:43:39 – 0:43:59] Erik: yeah yeah thank you lynn sate whoever you are out there biggums the beetle biggums how much stock do you put into you know because we’ve talked in in the recent past about uh you know the obsession when it comes to like researching a new purchase gear or otherwise yeah
[0:44:00 – 0:44:02] Erik: You always end up kind of reading some reviews.
[0:44:03 – 0:44:05] Erik: I don’t even really think that there’s much stock that I put in them anymore.
[0:44:06 – 0:44:23] Erik: I used to read them, but I almost inevitably take where my opinion is already and turn it against whoever is leaving the review and be like, no, this person has to be wrong because I’m pretty sure that this is going to be a good product.
[0:44:24 – 0:44:26] Adam: But with campsite reviews, I feel like…
[0:44:26 – 0:44:28] Adam: I don’t put a lot of stock into them.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:29] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:44:29 – 0:44:31] Erik: I guess maybe I put a little more into them.
[0:44:31 – 0:44:34] Adam: Sometimes you do find one and it’s like one star review, eight reviews.
[0:44:35 – 0:44:37] Adam: And they’re all like zero or one star somehow.
[0:44:37 – 0:44:40] Adam: And it’s like, okay, so there’s something here that’s wrong.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:46] Adam: There are a lot of sites that have zero reviews, though.
[0:44:46 – 0:44:47] Adam: Like unreviewed sites.
[0:44:48 – 0:44:53] Adam: So there’s got to be a lot more stinkers out there that are just so bad that people aren’t even…
[0:44:53 – 0:45:02] Adam: Or is it that you only get reviewed if you’re good or really bad and that all the other unreviewed sites are all in the acceptable range?
[0:45:02 – 0:45:06] Erik: That’s why when you go and read reviews for anything, you almost always go to the…
[0:45:06 – 0:45:08] Erik: Let’s go and look at the worst ones.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:11] Adam: Yeah, I want to see what the worst of the worst has to say about this.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:19] Erik: Yeah, and it’s always like 90% of them are like with campsites having to do with fire, something that the campsite can’t control.
[0:45:19 – 0:45:26] Erik: And then with product reviews, a lot of times it’s like issues with like customer service or like shipping.
[0:45:26 – 0:45:27] Erik: UPS dropped it.
[0:45:28 – 0:45:29] Erik: It showed up broken.
[0:45:29 – 0:45:31] Erik: It’s like, well, okay, this review is invalid.
[0:45:31 – 0:45:33] Erik: There’s nothing wrong with the product then.
[0:45:33 – 0:45:34] Adam: Yeah, it was just broken.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:37] Erik: It was broken to begin with.
[0:45:37 – 0:45:38] Adam: I had a bad day.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:40] Adam: One star.
[0:45:41 – 0:45:43] Adam: Have you ever been to Vista One?
[0:45:44 – 0:45:46] Erik: Oh, the one way over on the west end?
[0:45:46 – 0:45:46] Adam: Yes.
[0:45:47 – 0:45:48] Erik: I’ve never been down there, no.
[0:45:48 – 0:45:58] Adam: So me and the boys from Madison, when we went in through Ram, down through Rum, and then we had lunch on the island side on Little Trout.
[0:45:59 – 0:46:01] Adam: And then we’re like, we’re going to keep pushing on, though.
[0:46:02 – 0:46:04] Adam: And then we ended up on Vista One that night.
[0:46:04 – 0:46:06] Adam: And we were able to catch some bass.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:10] Adam: I think I’ve talked about this night a few times on the show for sure.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:16] Adam: But I was curious because I was trying to think, what are some of the worst sites I’ve actually ended up staying on somehow?
[0:46:17 – 0:46:23] Adam: And that was one because, well, we had a big group and that site’s pretty small and it was also our last choice.
[0:46:23 – 0:46:29] Adam: And honestly, if that site had not been open somehow, there would have been mental breakdowns happening for sure because it was so late.
[0:46:29 – 0:46:30] Erik: You would have had to have backtracked, right?
[0:46:30 – 0:46:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:31 – 0:46:36] Adam: We would have had to like go to Horseshoe and nothing was open behind us or go all the way back to Little Trout.
[0:46:36 – 0:46:36] Adam: Like no way.
[0:46:37 – 0:46:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:37 – 0:46:42] Adam: We would have continued pushing into Horseshoe probably if that one hadn’t been open, but it would end up in like in the dark by then.
[0:46:43 – 0:46:43] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:43 – 0:46:48] Adam: Like I said earlier, like we generally don’t end up on stinkers because we usually like shut it down by afternoon.
[0:46:48 – 0:46:49] Adam: Pretty early.
[0:46:50 – 0:46:55] Adam: It’s when you’re like trying to push too far and then, you know, daylight gets the best of you.
[0:46:56 – 0:46:58] Adam: That’s when you end up on sites you don’t want to be on.
[0:46:58 – 0:47:00] Adam: And then I think that’s when a lot of bad reviews happen is,
[0:47:00 – 0:47:07] Adam: Probably not because it’s really the campsite’s fault so much as that you didn’t plan your day properly and you ended up paddling almost into the dark.
[0:47:08 – 0:47:08] Adam: Yeah, misallocation.
[0:47:08 – 0:47:12] Adam: And having to settle for one that you didn’t want and then you blamed the site.
[0:47:13 – 0:47:19] Adam: Instead of looking in the damn camp mirror from Coghlan’s at $2.99, a great value in blaming yourself.
[0:47:20 – 0:47:20] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:20 – 0:47:22] Adam: Next up on the show is Vista One.
[0:47:23 – 0:47:24] Adam: It is very badly reviewed.
[0:47:25 – 0:47:27] Adam: A lot of one-star reviews for Vista One.
[0:47:28 – 0:47:30] Adam: This is from Ega Pilar.
[0:47:31 – 0:47:35] Adam: Ega Pilar from 1981 was the visit date.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:36] Adam: Jeez.
[0:47:36 – 0:47:37] Adam: What?
[0:47:37 – 0:47:42] Adam: Stayed a long time ago, and I remember this as being the worst campsite I was ever forced to stay at.
[0:47:43 – 0:47:43] Erik: Forced?
[0:47:43 – 0:47:44] Adam: Back then, at least.
[0:47:44 – 0:47:49] Adam: The latrine was literally in the center of camp, and we all had to go in the tents to give the user privacy.
[0:47:50 – 0:47:51] Erik: Do you remember that?
[0:47:51 – 0:47:52] Adam: No, I don’t.
[0:47:53 – 0:47:56] Adam: I guess since the 80s they’ve moved the latrine back a ways.
[0:47:56 – 0:47:59] Adam: Can you imagine a shitter right in the middle of the camp?
[0:48:01 – 0:48:06] Adam: There’s the campsite, here’s your tent pad, here’s your latrine, and here’s your fire grate all right there.
[0:48:06 – 0:48:09] Erik: Yeah, just the pit of shame just right there for everybody.
[0:48:11 – 0:48:13] Adam: Hold up a towel or something.
[0:48:14 – 0:48:20] Adam: Also, from Feker33, one star.
[0:48:21 – 0:48:23] Adam: This is from 2014.
[0:48:24 – 0:48:27] Adam: As a last resort, seven of us stayed here in five tents.
[0:48:27 – 0:48:28] Adam: Very hilly and rocky.
[0:48:28 – 0:48:30] Adam: Not advisable for a large group.
[0:48:30 – 0:48:32] Adam: Water was dark and stagnant.
[0:48:33 – 0:48:37] Adam: After eight trips to the BWCA, this is the worst site we have ever stayed at.
[0:48:37 – 0:48:38] Adam: Period.
[0:48:38 – 0:48:38] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[0:48:39 – 0:48:40] Adam: Wow.
[0:48:41 – 0:48:41] Erik: I love it.
[0:48:42 – 0:48:42] Erik: It’s such a good one.
[0:48:42 – 0:48:43] Erik: Five tents, though?
[0:48:43 – 0:48:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:43 – 0:48:44] Erik: That’s pretty good.
[0:48:44 – 0:48:47] Erik: It’s an insane amount of tents for any campsite.
[0:48:47 – 0:48:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:47 – 0:48:48] Adam: Five?
[0:48:48 – 0:48:53] Adam: I think the Madison crew, when we went there, there was probably seven of us in that group.
[0:48:53 – 0:48:56] Adam: I think we had three tandems, and I was in my solo canoe.
[0:48:57 – 0:49:01] Adam: And I think I was in a hammock at that point, but I was maybe the only one in a hammock.
[0:49:01 – 0:49:02] Adam: And you know how those are.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:03] Adam: It’s a bunch of dudes.
[0:49:03 – 0:49:06] Erik: So it was a lot of little tents strewn about.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:06] Adam: Sure.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:29] Adam: yeah i just remember like the like the fire pit area was like really um just weird and like a huge log was kind of down in it are there any pictures on the i don’t think i have any pictures handy uh for you but it is like just way back in that corner yeah and yeah the the landing sucked the fire grade area sucked it was just bad but at least we had a spot
[0:49:29 – 0:49:32] Erik: That’s one of those ones that you can just tell by looking at the map it’s going to suck.
[0:49:33 – 0:49:34] Adam: Yeah.
[0:49:34 – 0:49:35] Erik: Down a dead end like that.
[0:49:36 – 0:49:37] Erik: No way out.
[0:49:37 – 0:49:41] Erik: I can’t imagine that there’s too many people going down there to begin with.
[0:49:42 – 0:49:43] Erik: Why is it even…
[0:49:43 – 0:49:52] Erik: Sometimes I don’t even know who I would talk to, but I would love to just be like a Forest Service person.
[0:49:53 – 0:49:56] Erik: Why do some of these campsites exist?
[0:49:56 – 0:49:58] Erik: Why were they ever put in?
[0:49:58 – 0:50:01] Adam: You need three sites on Vista.
[0:50:01 – 0:50:07] Erik: Yeah, is it based on… You have two good sites, so we’re just going to stick one back here.
[0:50:07 – 0:50:07] Adam: We need a third.
[0:50:07 – 0:50:08] Adam: Just jam one in.
[0:50:08 – 0:50:11] Adam: Once we were back in there and established and like…
[0:50:12 – 0:50:16] Adam: I think Cheeto caught some nice smallmouth bass right off there, and we had a good fire.
[0:50:17 – 0:50:18] Adam: I mean, we had a great time.
[0:50:19 – 0:50:20] Adam: It wasn’t a problem.
[0:50:20 – 0:50:28] Adam: Honestly, I do remember it as one of the worst sites I ever stayed at, and so I was curious as to what the reviews would be, and I went and clicked on it.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:29] Erik: Most of them also bad.
[0:50:29 – 0:50:34] Adam: Yeah, I was heartily enjoying reading all the one-star reviews for Vista.
[0:50:34 – 0:50:36] Adam: Yeah, that was great.
[0:50:37 – 0:50:39] Adam: Next up on my list, Eric.
[0:50:39 – 0:50:40] Adam: Oh, dear, what happened here?
[0:50:40 – 0:51:00] Erik: oh no next up on my list uh have you ever stayed on the campsite on deer lake right by clearwater oh the one that the portage runs through yeah i spent a lot of time there but i’ve never i’ve never uh slept out overnight no i have i have spent a night in that campsite stay out there what didn’t you and scott stay out there
[0:51:00 – 0:51:02] Adam: No, me and Scott didn’t stay there.
[0:51:02 – 0:51:05] Adam: Me and Captain Mike stayed there way back in 2001.
[0:51:05 – 0:51:08] Adam: You just jog in from Clearwater?
[0:51:08 – 0:51:09] Adam: We came back.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:09] Adam: Yeah.
[0:51:10 – 0:51:11] Adam: No, maybe it was 2002.
[0:51:11 – 0:51:15] Adam: We came back the next summer, and we stayed on the backside of Caribou.
[0:51:15 – 0:51:19] Adam: And then for some reason, the site by the island, we were catching fish and everything.
[0:51:19 – 0:51:20] Adam: We’re like, we should move.
[0:51:20 – 0:51:24] Adam: And we moved and then went to deer for one night for some reason.
[0:51:24 – 0:51:25] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:51:25 – 0:51:26] Erik: Mobility is key.
[0:51:26 – 0:51:28] Adam: We didn’t want to stay in the same night.
[0:51:28 – 0:51:36] Adam: We stayed on Mountain night one and then went down to Caribou and got the backside of Caribou and then moved from Caribou to Deer the last night of our trip.
[0:51:36 – 0:51:37] Adam: Weird.
[0:51:37 – 0:51:38] Adam: It was a weird trip.
[0:51:38 – 0:51:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:51:39 – 0:51:40] Adam: That was a pudgy bite trip.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:47] Adam: That was when we only had the pudgy pies, and I still had the yellow bag, and we were roasting up Walter de Caribou.
[0:51:47 – 0:51:50] Erik: Yeah, just packing it with fish flesh?
[0:51:50 – 0:51:52] Adam: Just fish meat and cumin.
[0:51:52 – 0:51:53] Adam: Oh, man.
[0:51:54 – 0:51:57] Adam: Why did you not bring salt and any pepper?
[0:51:57 – 0:51:58] Adam: We had no pepper packets on that trip.
[0:51:58 – 0:52:01] Adam: It was just cumin.
[0:52:01 – 0:52:04] Adam: Anyways, we did stay on deer, and I don’t know.
[0:52:04 – 0:52:05] Adam: It was fine.
[0:52:05 – 0:52:06] Adam: I like that saying deer.
[0:52:06 – 0:52:12] Adam: I didn’t have any issues with it, but I was clicking around, and I noticed that deer, it’s the only one on deer.
[0:52:12 – 0:52:13] Adam: It had horrible reviews.
[0:52:13 – 0:52:14] Adam: Here’s two of them.
[0:52:15 – 0:52:41] Adam: one star from halvor son christopher uh from 2024 hole in the woods one star that’s the review wow okay okay that’s fair this is right on the portage and the next review i think gets to this yeah x and said from 2016 one star last resort only site next not actually on the lake instead is access via a short trail from the portage into deer
[0:52:41 – 0:52:45] Adam: Likely very buggy due to being enclosed by trees.
[0:52:45 – 0:52:48] Adam: Also offers no desirable tent pads.
[0:52:48 – 0:52:51] Adam: If you’ve come this far, just take the short portage into Moon for better choices.
[0:52:52 – 0:52:58] Erik: I would debate this person on whether the portage into Moon would be worth it for better options.
[0:52:58 – 0:52:59] Adam: Well, I did look.
[0:52:59 – 0:53:04] Adam: All the sites on Moon have very bad reviews too, but none of them were bad enough to make this show.
[0:53:04 – 0:53:08] Adam: I have stayed on Moon once, and I had a lovely time.
[0:53:09 – 0:53:10] Erik: Yeah, they’re not great, but neither…
[0:53:10 – 0:53:14] Erik: I mean, I don’t think they’re any worse or better, really, in the grand scheme of things.
[0:53:15 – 0:53:19] Erik: I would be interested to see what my dear campsite review is compared to the ones on Moon.
[0:53:20 – 0:53:24] Erik: But this person that says it’s not on the lake, I think, just needs to paddle and spend more time.
[0:53:24 – 0:53:32] Erik: I would say a quarter of the campsite’s somewhere around there, and I’m probably wildly off because I’ve never really thought about this before ever.
[0:53:33 – 0:53:50] Erik: they aren’t right on the lake you know like that one is kind of up in the woods a little bit but it’s not like it’s not like a hike up into the woods like you’re still right there like if anything it should be farther in the woods because it’s so close to that portage and that’s you know
[0:53:51 – 0:54:09] Erik: What I was thinking was going to be more of the downside or more of people’s negative feelings when it came to that site was, you know, for myself personally, I’m not a huge fan of once I’m in camp ever having to worry about interacting with strangers for the duration.
[0:54:09 – 0:54:39] Erik: again you know yeah i always kind of grinds my gears when uh you’re in camp and then you know you kind of just you’re mentally checked in with who you’re there with and checked out from everybody else like and then you get like some slow troller who wants to have a night conversation or something and you’re just like i’m not mentally prepared to be chatting with the public right now but if you’re at a site that is literally at the end of a portage
[0:54:39 – 0:54:41] Erik: you don’t really have much of a choice.
[0:54:41 – 0:54:47] Erik: So I feel like that would definitely take away from it for me, but it’s not that bad of a site.
[0:54:48 – 0:54:51] Adam: I did manage to find the Whipped, Whipped 1 reviews.
[0:54:52 – 0:54:56] Erik: There is some, because there wasn’t any on bwca.com.
[0:54:56 – 0:55:02] Adam: Yeah, Paddle Planner has three reviews for Whipped, which is considered site 2226.
[0:55:02 – 0:55:04] Erik: Wow, four digits now.
[0:55:05 – 0:55:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:06 – 0:55:12] Adam: Ben Striege said, easy slope, rock landing, fire grade is on an exposed point.
[0:55:13 – 0:55:17] Adam: Could be windy, but that might be good to keep the bugs away, despite that the bugs still found me.
[0:55:18 – 0:55:22] Adam: It is a fairly open site, one great tent pad with a couple other possibilities.
[0:55:22 – 0:55:22] Adam: There you go.
[0:55:22 – 0:55:25] Adam: That was a pretty fair review from 2022.
[0:55:25 – 0:55:26] Erik: Fair and balanced.
[0:55:26 – 0:55:28] Adam: That was probably the last person that had a fire there.
[0:55:29 – 0:55:29] Adam: Probably.
[0:55:29 – 0:55:30] Erik: For us, Ben.
[0:55:30 – 0:55:30] Erik: Ben Striege?
[0:55:30 – 0:55:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:55:31 – 0:55:32] Adam: Brother Ben, are you out there?
[0:55:32 – 0:55:33] Adam: Are you listening?
[0:55:34 – 0:55:39] Adam: Next up on the show, D. Johnson, 1776, a true patriot.
[0:55:42 – 0:55:43] Adam: Oh, my.
[0:55:43 – 0:55:50] Adam: This guy has a my pillow and a one-star rating for whipped from 2022 also.
[0:55:51 – 0:55:57] Adam: This site has no good qualities other than as a place to stop briefly and have lunch, which is how we used it.
[0:55:57 – 0:55:59] Adam: I would not stay here unless I had no other option.
[0:56:00 – 0:56:06] Adam: which is literally exactly what I said about the site back in the first year of the podcast.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:07] Erik: What was this guy’s name?
[0:56:08 – 0:56:10] Adam: Jacob Freedom Lover?
[0:56:10 – 0:56:12] Adam: djohnson1776patriothound.com.
[0:56:13 – 0:56:15] Erik: Just like your opinion, man.
[0:56:15 – 0:56:16] Adam: That’s right.
[0:56:16 – 0:56:19] Adam: We also have a zero-star review from Gamma1214.com.
[0:56:20 – 0:56:22] Erik: I can tell I’m not going to like this.
[0:56:22 – 0:56:23] Adam: 2021.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:25] Erik: Because Whipped is close to my heart now.
[0:56:25 – 0:56:33] Adam: I visited briefly on my way down the Frost River, and this site appears to be open and usable, although there are a couple of widow makers hanging over the best tent pad.
[0:56:34 – 0:56:36] Erik: Oh, Adam hung his effing hammock from that Widowmaker.
[0:56:36 – 0:56:38] Adam: Yeah, and I live to tell the tale.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:39] Erik: Check yourself.
[0:56:39 – 0:56:43] Adam: The grade is up on a prominent point to deter bugs, and the landing was not bad.
[0:56:44 – 0:56:45] Adam: Sorry, I didn’t count the tent pads.
[0:56:45 – 0:56:48] Adam: I’m solo, so it never occurs to me to look for more than one.
[0:56:49 – 0:56:54] Adam: While you didn’t need to include that comment, Gamma 1214, but thank you for the review.
[0:56:55 – 0:56:56] Erik: Zero stars?
[0:56:56 – 0:56:56] Erik: Zero stars.
[0:56:56 – 0:56:58] Erik: And you kind of said nice things.
[0:56:58 – 0:56:58] Adam: Yeah, I know.
[0:56:58 – 0:56:59] Adam: That’s one of those.
[0:57:00 – 0:57:02] Adam: I was surprised that…
[0:57:02 – 0:57:06] Adam: So, yeah, between those, it averaged like whatever, two point…
[0:57:06 – 0:57:06] Adam: Hold on.
[0:57:07 – 0:57:08] Adam: I’m going to give you the actual average.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:10] Adam: This is a two-star reviewed site.
[0:57:10 – 0:57:12] Erik: Pulling up the calculator.
[0:57:12 – 0:57:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:57:12 – 0:57:13] Adam: All right.
[0:57:13 – 0:57:14] Adam: Two stars for whipped.
[0:57:15 – 0:57:18] Erik: I mean, which is probably pretty accurate.
[0:57:19 – 0:57:21] Erik: 2 to 2.5 stars.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:21] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:23] Erik: I think we gave it like a C, C minus.
[0:57:24 – 0:57:24] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:57:24 – 0:57:25] Erik: That’s fair.
[0:57:25 – 0:57:27] Erik: I would never stay here ever.
[0:57:27 – 0:57:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:57:28 – 0:57:30] Erik: Until you have to, and then it’s fine.
[0:57:31 – 0:57:32] Adam: I was having a good time.
[0:57:32 – 0:57:34] Adam: We got another one from Ben Striege.
[0:57:35 – 0:57:37] Adam: This is Campsite 524 on Mora.
[0:57:37 – 0:57:45] Adam: I think when we were paddling out of there, we were commenting on that northernmost site on Mora is famously horrible and maybe probably burnt.
[0:57:46 – 0:57:49] Adam: This is a one-star review for that one as well.
[0:57:49 – 0:57:52] Adam: The campsite is on top of a large exposed rock face.
[0:57:53 – 0:57:59] Adam: There’s nowhere to pull the canoe up, but I was able to temporarily wedge it between a rock in the water and the rock face.
[0:57:59 – 0:58:03] Adam: The fire grate is completely exposed with no seating or shade.
[0:58:03 – 0:58:05] Adam: The campsite is on the edge of the burn area.
[0:58:05 – 0:58:09] Adam: The kitchen is in the burn area, but the latrine is not.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:11] Adam: Both of the tent pads are questionable.
[0:58:11 – 0:58:15] Adam: There is one tent pad by the grate, but it is on almost bare rock.
[0:58:16 – 0:58:20] Adam: The other is nicer and in the woods, but it is real close to the latrine.
[0:58:21 – 0:58:21] Adam: One star.
[0:58:21 – 0:58:22] Adam: I think that’s fine.
[0:58:23 – 0:58:29] Erik: I love how different aspects of the campsite are in the burn and not in the burn.
[0:58:29 – 0:58:30] Erik: It’s right on the edge.
[0:58:32 – 0:58:33] Erik: Ran right through camp.
[0:58:34 – 0:58:35] Adam: I got a bunch.
[0:58:35 – 0:58:44] Adam: I have a bunch from Basswood, and then I have a real special one to end my list tonight, and then I can’t wait to hear what your campsites on SAG have to say.
[0:58:44 – 0:58:45] Adam: Got another one.
[0:58:45 – 0:58:50] Adam: Ben Striege, I got to say, it’s Ben Striege.
[0:58:52 – 0:58:53] Adam: Left a lot of reviews.
[0:58:53 – 0:58:55] Adam: You can click on the people’s names, too.
[0:58:55 – 0:59:00] Adam: If you find somebody that leaves a creative review, you can click on their name to see what other reviews they’ve left.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:08] Adam: I didn’t do that, but Ben has left a lot of reviews out there, and so you keep seeing them.
[0:59:08 – 0:59:16] Adam: This is campsite 1577 on Basswood, and it’s kind of down in here.
[0:59:17 – 0:59:19] Adam: Eric’s like, yeah, where is that?
[0:59:19 – 0:59:20] Adam: It’s down in this section.
[0:59:21 – 0:59:23] Adam: The lower section of Basswood.
[0:59:23 – 0:59:23] Adam: Pipestone?
[0:59:23 – 0:59:25] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:59:25 – 0:59:26] SPEAKER_02: Pipestone Bay?
[0:59:26 – 0:59:27] Adam: I think so.
[0:59:27 – 0:59:27] Erik: All right.
[0:59:28 – 0:59:29] Erik: We’re going with Pipestone Bay.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:32] Adam: Anyways, it’s 1577 if you’re on Paddle Planner.
[0:59:32 – 0:59:37] Adam: The visit date for this was 2021, so take it as you will.
[0:59:37 – 0:59:37] Adam: One star.
[0:59:38 – 0:59:40] Adam: Poison Ivy has taken over the site.
[0:59:40 – 0:59:44] Adam: There is one tent pad that would be good if not for the Poison Ivy.
[0:59:44 – 0:59:52] Adam: The landing is slippery, smooth rock, the view is nice, and the site would be okay if there wasn’t all this goddamn Poison Ivy everywhere.
[0:59:52 – 0:59:53] Adam: The end.
[0:59:53 – 1:00:10] Adam: yeah poison ivy all right and uh yeah buddy josh was just over here playing around the gulf earlier and i’ve gotten a bit of an argument with uh cheyenne over the whether or not there is poison ivy in cook county uh now sure basswood’s not in cook county
[1:00:11 – 1:00:15] Adam: But the point stands that according to this review, there’s poison ivy everywhere.
[1:00:15 – 1:00:18] Adam: So this is probably part of the prairie takeover.
[1:00:19 – 1:00:22] Erik: What was the contention that somebody said there was?
[1:00:23 – 1:00:27] Adam: Cheyenne thought maybe she had gotten into some poison ivy and Josh was over.
[1:00:27 – 1:00:29] Adam: He’s like, there’s no poison ivy up here.
[1:00:29 – 1:00:33] Adam: You got to go all the way down to the Twin Ports to get poison ivy.
[1:00:33 – 1:00:35] Adam: And she’s like, well, look at my arm.
[1:00:35 – 1:00:35] Erik: Sure.
[1:00:36 – 1:00:37] Adam: Full of blisters.
[1:00:37 – 1:00:37] Erik: Yeah.
[1:00:38 – 1:00:40] Adam: And he’s like, it ain’t poison ivy.
[1:00:40 – 1:00:42] Adam: Maybe it was sumac.
[1:00:42 – 1:00:42] Erik: Sure.
[1:00:42 – 1:00:43] Erik: I tend to believe that.
[1:00:44 – 1:00:46] Erik: I don’t know if it’s like true 100%.
[1:00:46 – 1:00:51] Erik: Like if there’s a botanist out there, I’m sure they would probably have some other information.
[1:00:51 – 1:00:52] Erik: But I’ve never seen it.
[1:00:52 – 1:00:54] Erik: I’ve never heard of anybody getting it.
[1:00:54 – 1:00:55] Adam: I’ve never seen it.
[1:00:55 – 1:00:57] Adam: I’m really allergic to poison ivy.
[1:00:57 – 1:00:59] Adam: So I’m glad that there’s not a lot of it up here.
[1:00:59 – 1:01:02] Adam: But I’m never going to basswood again because it’s infested.
[1:01:02 – 1:01:03] Erik: It’s everywhere.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:03] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:06] Adam: First off, they got these basswood trees, which aren’t even real.
[1:01:06 – 1:01:07] Adam: Now you got poison ivy?
[1:01:08 – 1:01:09] Adam: Give me a break.
[1:01:09 – 1:01:10] Erik: Give me a break.
[1:01:10 – 1:01:12] Adam: Another one from Ben Striege.
[1:01:13 – 1:01:14] Adam: Are you out there, brother Ben?
[1:01:15 – 1:01:16] Adam: He’s got good ones, though, right?
[1:01:16 – 1:01:17] Adam: Yeah, these are great.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:18] Erik: No, no, no.
[1:01:18 – 1:01:20] Erik: Like four good campsites.
[1:01:20 – 1:01:23] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:01:23 – 1:01:25] Adam: He’s not just out there giving one-star reviews.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:28] Adam: I’ve seen good reviews from Ben Striege.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:28] SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
[1:01:29 – 1:01:30] Adam: $15.54 on basswood.
[1:01:32 – 1:01:33] Adam: This is used very little.
[1:01:34 – 1:01:35] Adam: Plants are growing in the fire grate.
[1:01:36 – 1:01:39] Adam: The entire site is on a granite dome with very shallow soil.
[1:01:40 – 1:01:42] Adam: I’m not sure how well tent stakes would do.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:45] Adam: The site has jack pines, but little or no shade.
[1:01:45 – 1:01:47] Adam: The one tent pad is very small.
[1:01:48 – 1:01:49] Adam: At least you would have seclusion.
[1:01:51 – 1:01:54] Erik: At least he would have seclusion.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:54] Adam: Okay.
[1:01:55 – 1:01:55] Adam: All right.
[1:01:55 – 1:01:56] Adam: Why’d you have to say it like that?
[1:01:56 – 1:01:58] Adam: I have one more from Basswood for you.
[1:01:58 – 1:02:00] Adam: 1651.
[1:02:00 – 1:02:00] Adam: One star review.
[1:02:04 – 1:02:06] Adam: The site almost looks like it has never been used.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:10] Adam: The only sign of human habitation was a soda can in the latrine.
[1:02:11 – 1:02:13] Adam: The landing is extremely hard to see.
[1:02:13 – 1:02:16] Adam: From the landing, you climb up a small opening in the woods.
[1:02:16 – 1:02:18] Adam: The site is very, very small.
[1:02:18 – 1:02:19] Adam: There is no seating.
[1:02:20 – 1:02:23] Adam: You could put a tent in a little fern clearing behind the fire grate.
[1:02:24 – 1:02:26] SPEAKER_02: In a little fern clearing.
[1:02:27 – 1:02:28] Adam: Thank you.
[1:02:28 – 1:02:28] Adam: Oh, my.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:35] Adam: What happened to all my… Oh, did you read any of the ones for Bog?
[1:02:36 – 1:02:38] Adam: I have to go back and just pull those up because I did not.
[1:02:39 – 1:02:42] Adam: Oh, what about… Oh, and what about Juno?
[1:02:42 – 1:02:43] Adam: Remember Juno?
[1:02:44 – 1:02:45] Erik: Oh, God, yes.
[1:02:45 – 1:02:46] Erik: The one down by Brule.
[1:02:46 – 1:02:46] Adam: Hold on.
[1:02:46 – 1:02:47] Adam: I’m going to have to pull…
[1:02:47 – 1:02:49] Adam: I somehow didn’t screen grab those.
[1:02:50 – 1:02:53] Adam: We have to go back for Juno and Bog eventually here.
[1:02:54 – 1:02:54] Adam: Hold on, though.
[1:02:54 – 1:02:56] Adam: I got one more that I do have screen grabbed.
[1:02:57 – 1:03:01] Adam: Anybody out there listening been to Rice Lake off the Little Isabella River?
[1:03:04 – 1:03:08] Adam: It’s, uh, wait, no, is it rice like down there?
[1:03:10 – 1:03:34] Adam: where is rice lake is the one where i show you the it was in the pagami burn i think it is down by the little isabella river yeah that’s a shocking picture yeah it’s right here this is rice lake so i showed eric this picture and i’ve never seen it like the fire grate on whipped looks like it’s uh getting burned every night compared to this thing yeah it literally looks like it’s in the middle of a field like that has not been plowed for 100 years
[1:03:34 – 1:03:44] Erik: And it looks like some kind of like art installation, like high concept art about like the… Yeah, there’s just like a bone sitting on top of it, like a femur bone.
[1:03:44 – 1:03:49] Erik: Yeah, it’s like some kind of a think piece on the agricultural revolution or something.
[1:03:49 – 1:03:57] Erik: There’s just like a huge, like just a field, a vast field of like, I don’t even know, like weeds, bushes, and then just a fire grate in it.
[1:03:57 – 1:03:58] Adam: This is great.
[1:03:59 – 1:04:04] Adam: This review was left by Mishi772 in 2023.
[1:04:05 – 1:04:11] Adam: There is a significant difference between how this site is and what it has potential to be with just a little use.
[1:04:12 – 1:04:13] Adam: Interesting.
[1:04:13 – 1:04:19] Adam: The worst thing about this site, herbaceous vegetation and muck, would likely be reduced with more use.
[1:04:19 – 1:04:28] Adam: Ignoring those things, it is a very exposed site and will remain so, unless maybe a decent spot is found back in the trees as the forest continues to mature.
[1:04:29 – 1:04:31] Adam: The fire grate is level with good ground around it,
[1:04:34 – 1:04:36] Adam: And there’s a nice view of Rice Lake.
[1:04:36 – 1:04:40] Adam: The lake is shallow and was pure rice in September.
[1:04:41 – 1:04:43] Adam: But we were still able to get around fine.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:49] Adam: We intend to return to this area next year, and we will likely make a deliberate effort to give this site more use.
[1:04:49 – 1:04:49] Adam: Okay.
[1:04:50 – 1:04:50] Adam: Wow.
[1:04:50 – 1:04:53] Adam: So it’s a bad review, but they’re like, we can rehabilitate this site.
[1:04:54 – 1:04:54] Adam: Yeah.
[1:04:54 – 1:04:56] Adam: I love this review because it’s just like, we can do it.
[1:04:57 – 1:04:58] Adam: This site has potential.
[1:04:58 – 1:05:00] Adam: It just needs to be unlocked.
[1:05:00 – 1:05:05] Adam: It’s like Tim Wall is taking that football team that never won a game and taking them all the way to the state championship three years later.
[1:05:06 – 1:05:08] Adam: They could see the potential in this site, Eric.
[1:05:08 – 1:05:10] Erik: I thought it was Gordon Bombay.
[1:05:10 – 1:05:12] Adam: It’s just like Gordon Bombay in District 5.
[1:05:12 – 1:05:13] Adam: Here we go.
[1:05:16 – 1:05:17] Erik: Just a little gerrymandering.
[1:05:17 – 1:05:18] Erik: Yeah, that’s fine.
[1:05:18 – 1:05:21] Adam: No, you’re coming over to our team, buddy.
[1:05:22 – 1:05:23] Adam: We’re going to make this site nice.
[1:05:25 – 1:05:34] Adam: We had another one-star review for the same site by Riley Smith, and this is the guy who took the picture on Rice.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:36] Adam: Yeah, one star from 2022.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:42] Adam: One of my hobbies is visiting old abandoned campsites and seeing if I can find them.
[1:05:43 – 1:05:48] Adam: After the Forest Service marked this one as open this spring, my interest is piqued.
[1:05:48 – 1:05:54] Adam: Rice isn’t exactly a destination lake and it isn’t even really a lake most of the year.
[1:05:54 – 1:05:55] Adam: I did find the site.
[1:05:56 – 1:05:58] Adam: The landing leaves a lot to be desired.
[1:05:58 – 1:06:00] Adam: The waist-deep muck was a nice touch.
[1:06:01 – 1:06:02] Adam: Ask me how I know.
[1:06:02 – 1:06:07] Adam: The next thing I found was the grate, which was pretty well grown over with plants growing under it.
[1:06:07 – 1:06:10] Adam: It certainly hasn’t seen a fire since Pagami.
[1:06:10 – 1:06:17] Adam: There were no tent pads, but the most peculiar thing was this perfectly cut trail back to the brand new Biff.
[1:06:18 – 1:06:21] Erik: It’s so funny that the Forest Service has got a brand new latrine in there.
[1:06:21 – 1:06:22] Adam: Glad they replaced that.
[1:06:23 – 1:06:23] Adam: Ha ha.
[1:06:25 – 1:06:26] Adam: Still not much of a site.
[1:06:26 – 1:06:30] Adam: If you stay and make a fire, though, you could be the first in a long while.
[1:06:31 – 1:06:31] Adam: All right.
[1:06:32 – 1:06:32] Adam: Yeah.
[1:06:33 – 1:06:33] Adam: So there’s that.
[1:06:34 – 1:06:37] Adam: Yeah, that site has nothing but awful reviews for it.
[1:06:37 – 1:06:40] Adam: But I am intrigued, and I like that comment that…
[1:06:40 – 1:06:46] Adam: It’s a fellow connoisseur back here, Riley, going to sites that don’t get the love.
[1:06:46 – 1:06:55] Adam: I think I might go out of my way to try and just go to badly reviewed sites in the future just to give them some love and give them a chance.
[1:06:55 – 1:06:57] Adam: Yeah, together we can.
[1:06:57 – 1:06:58] Adam: Together we can.
[1:06:59 – 1:07:01] Erik: Didn’t that sound like I meant it?
[1:07:02 – 1:07:03] Adam: That sounds so inspirational.
[1:07:05 – 1:07:09] Adam: Yeah, I had noted that all of the sites on Bog were really badly reviewed.
[1:07:09 – 1:07:11] Adam: I don’t know if we need to go read those.
[1:07:11 – 1:07:14] Adam: But Juno, we’ve been through Juno.
[1:07:15 – 1:07:15] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:07:15 – 1:07:16] Erik: Juno’s a real…
[1:07:16 – 1:07:18] Adam: I’ve got to scroll over here to Juno.
[1:07:18 – 1:07:18] Erik: Juno’s a real…
[1:07:18 – 1:07:21] Erik: It’s not even like a moonscape where it’s burned.
[1:07:21 – 1:07:23] Erik: It’s almost like oddly flooded, too.
[1:07:23 – 1:07:24] Adam: Juno 958.
[1:07:24 – 1:07:26] Adam: That’s the one in the middle, right?
[1:07:26 – 1:07:27] Adam: Yeah, it is.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:29] Adam: And it has two-star rating.
[1:07:30 – 1:07:36] Adam: Tuscarora Borealis said on 2023 May, a tight rock shelf landing.
[1:07:36 – 1:07:42] Adam: There aren’t a lot of mature trees in camp and camp is mostly a rocky knob of uneven granite.
[1:07:42 – 1:07:45] Adam: In one sense, the fire grade area is actually not half bad.
[1:07:45 – 1:07:48] Adam: There is flat ground in front and on the sides.
[1:07:48 – 1:07:50] Adam: And there was a nice long sitting log.
[1:07:51 – 1:07:54] Adam: But a mere six feet behind is a massive swamp bog.
[1:07:55 – 1:08:00] Adam: A good flat tent pad is back away right on the lakeshore and where is also an alternate landing.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:07] Adam: But I think that would be too congested to serve the purpose because this is also the primary tent pad.
[1:08:07 – 1:08:13] Adam: I suppose you could get another tent between there and the fire grate, but that may cause a claustrophobic atmosphere.
[1:08:14 – 1:08:21] Adam: There’s a high rise just behind camp that provides something of an overlook of the lake and also is a great spot to gather dead and downed firewood.
[1:08:21 – 1:08:22] Erik: A high rise?
[1:08:22 – 1:08:23] Erik: A high rise.
[1:08:24 – 1:08:25] Erik: An abandoned old high rise.
[1:08:25 – 1:08:30] Adam: We were able to set up out in the hammock here and caught some fish just off from camp.
[1:08:30 – 1:08:41] Adam: In a way, I want to rate this one higher, and I think a small group would do okay here, but realize that if you’ve got more than three people in your group and you’re not going to be all that happy with this site, so maybe that’s where we draw the line in the sand.
[1:08:42 – 1:08:50] Adam: Oh, I also have a review from 2020 from some chap named Rojo Ryder that stayed here on Juneau.
[1:08:51 – 1:08:51] Erik: What?
[1:08:51 – 1:08:53] Erik: I haven’t heard that name in years.
[1:08:54 – 1:09:01] Adam: Dagobah’s physical layout leaves something to be desired, but this site offers something far beyond what you can grace with your fingertips.
[1:09:02 – 1:09:08] Adam: Unless you’re thinking of monster northerns, my college mates Larry, Scott, and David slayed northerns right from shore here.
[1:09:09 – 1:09:10] Adam: I’ve never experienced so much splendor.
[1:09:11 – 1:09:16] Adam: But, yeah, no great tent pads, and it’s in a bog, but, you know, each site is what you make of it.
[1:09:17 – 1:09:18] Erik: The end.
[1:09:18 – 1:09:21] Erik: That’s what I remember it being, like, mildly flooded kind of.
[1:09:21 – 1:09:23] Adam: Yeah, just a bog.
[1:09:23 – 1:09:23] Adam: Yeah.
[1:09:27 – 1:09:29] Adam: This site is one star from Mac Camper.
[1:09:30 – 1:09:32] Adam: Fair to poor and seldom used.
[1:09:32 – 1:09:33] Adam: Wet.
[1:09:33 – 1:09:34] Adam: Marginal access.
[1:09:34 – 1:09:35] Adam: Wet.
[1:09:35 – 1:09:36] Adam: Boggy.
[1:09:36 – 1:09:37] Adam: Extremely compact.
[1:09:37 – 1:09:38] Adam: Great kitchen rock.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:39] Adam: Ooh.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:40] Adam: All right.
[1:09:40 – 1:09:43] Erik: This site should never be described as wet.
[1:09:43 – 1:09:44] Erik: Adjacent?
[1:09:44 – 1:09:45] Adam: This site is wet.
[1:09:45 – 1:09:47] Adam: Adjacent to wetness?
[1:09:47 – 1:09:51] Adam: If you have to use the word wet to describe the site, it’s definitely a one star.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:51] Adam: That’s automatic.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:52] Adam: That’s not good.
[1:09:53 – 1:09:53] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:09:54 – 1:09:55] Adam: Am I going to go read the bog sites?
[1:09:55 – 1:09:56] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:09:56 – 1:09:57] Adam: We probably should.
[1:09:57 – 1:09:59] Erik: Do you have them?
[1:09:59 – 1:10:01] Adam: I’m going to have to pull them up directly.
[1:10:02 – 1:10:05] Adam: I am on the internet right now scrolling over to Bog Lake.
[1:10:05 – 1:10:07] Erik: This is some hard-hitting true in the field.
[1:10:07 – 1:10:09] Adam: I downloaded most of the reviews.
[1:10:09 – 1:10:13] Erik: Virtually in the field live podcasting.
[1:10:13 – 1:10:15] Erik: Adam is scrolling.
[1:10:15 – 1:10:19] Adam: There’s three sites on Bog that are open, and they’re all two stars.
[1:10:19 – 1:10:22] Adam: And then there’s the closed campsite, which is rated four stars.
[1:10:22 – 1:10:23] Adam: And they’re like, this is the only good site on the lake.
[1:10:24 – 1:10:25] Adam: Why didn’t they fix this one?
[1:10:25 – 1:10:25] Erik: Oh, interesting.
[1:10:26 – 1:10:26] Erik: Interesting.
[1:10:26 – 1:10:54] Adam: uh yeah campsites on bog get very bad reviews the best i’ll give you just the best one is that the title of the episode campsites on bog get very bad reviews no the campsite no it’s just bog is soup bog is soup bog is soup uh yeah i don’t know i don’t know i don’t think we need to read them they’re all bad on bog we’ve made fun of bog enough on this show but yeah they there’s three of them on there and they all got pretty bad reviews uh go read them yourself they’re funny
[1:10:55 – 1:10:55] Erik: Leave him alone.
[1:10:56 – 1:10:57] Erik: He’s already dead.
[1:10:57 – 1:10:58] Erik: He’s down already.
[1:10:58 – 1:11:03] Adam: All right, we’re going to get a timeout on this show.
[1:11:03 – 1:11:04] Erik: You need a timeout?
[1:11:04 – 1:11:10] Adam: Yeah, I need to stretch my legs after tearing all those sites down with laughter and ridicule.
[1:11:12 – 1:11:17] Adam: I hope people out there understand that we actually do love the foulest of sites.
[1:11:17 – 1:11:17] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:11:17 – 1:11:18] Adam: Yeah, we do.
[1:11:18 – 1:11:20] Adam: These wretched sites, they have a place in our heart.
[1:11:21 – 1:11:30] Erik: Yeah, these wretched, I don’t even know, I’m just picturing some kind of an abandoned orphan child.
[1:11:31 – 1:11:33] Erik: It’s still a place in our home.
[1:11:33 – 1:11:37] Adam: It’s like Kermit playing Tiny Tim in the Christmas Carol.
[1:11:37 – 1:11:39] Adam: That’s that site on Bog.
[1:11:39 – 1:11:39] Adam: Yeah.
[1:11:40 – 1:11:40] Erik: I’m still lovable.
[1:11:40 – 1:11:44] SPEAKER_02: Please, I would like to eat a piece of the boiled goose.
[1:11:45 – 1:11:45] SPEAKER_02: Shut up.
[1:11:45 – 1:11:47] Adam: You don’t get any of the goose, Tiny Tim.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:49] Erik: Is that how it went?
[1:11:49 – 1:11:51] Erik: Yeah, and then they all went into the other room and laughed about it.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:54] Adam: They laughed at him how he was starving and he couldn’t have any goose.
[1:11:55 – 1:12:03] Adam: I do need to get another Moon Man, though, so thanks to Brother Andrew for providing a succulent goose for the podcast and the Moon Mans from Wisconsin.
[1:12:03 – 1:12:03] Adam: Thank you.
[1:12:04 – 1:12:05] Erik: Goose in a can.
[1:12:06 – 1:12:07] Erik: All right.
[1:12:07 – 1:12:08] Erik: Okay.
[1:12:08 – 1:12:09] Erik: Okay.
[1:12:10 – 1:12:11] Erik: Break time’s over, buddy.
[1:12:11 – 1:12:15] Erik: Back to slagging on some one-star campsite reviews.
[1:12:15 – 1:12:17] Adam: We’re not slagging on them.
[1:12:18 – 1:12:19] Adam: We’re celebrating them.
[1:12:19 – 1:12:20] Erik: Celebrating them.
[1:12:20 – 1:12:23] Adam: Like we’re celebrating the second Moon Man I’m about to open here.
[1:12:24 – 1:12:31] Erik: Let’s see how celebratory my tone is with some of the worst-reviewed campsites on Saginaw.
[1:12:32 – 1:12:33] Adam: This is your own writing, too.
[1:12:33 – 1:12:34] Adam: This is a real treat.
[1:12:34 – 1:12:35] Adam: This is me reading.
[1:12:35 – 1:12:39] Adam: Eric’s a very talented writer, and not enough people know that about him.
[1:12:40 – 1:12:42] Erik: Well, if you want to read my words, they still exist.
[1:12:43 – 1:12:44] Adam: They’re all over the internet.
[1:12:44 – 1:12:45] Adam: At least they’re still free.
[1:12:45 – 1:12:47] Adam: They didn’t put them behind a paywall or something.
[1:12:48 – 1:12:49] Adam: Don’t get any ideas, Clearwater.
[1:12:49 – 1:12:50] Adam: No, they wouldn’t want that.
[1:12:51 – 1:12:54] Adam: Charlie would be rolling in his grave right now if he knew what you were doing to Eric’s work.
[1:12:55 – 1:12:56] Adam: Put it on the front page.
[1:12:56 – 1:12:57] Adam: Front page, yeah.
[1:12:57 – 1:13:01] Adam: With that nice picture of him zoomed in right on his mustache.
[1:13:01 – 1:13:02] Adam: Have you seen this boy?
[1:13:02 – 1:13:03] Adam: Have you seen them?
[1:13:03 – 1:13:04] Adam: Yes.
[1:13:07 – 1:13:09] Adam: He’s riding a moose.
[1:13:09 – 1:13:28] Adam: yeah what uh 60 some odd campsites with pictures of each one my god what a feat of strength somebody just uh ran into dave mills in the parking lot of the co-op and said he was going out for a week on sag a week on sag he says what’s the best site on sag what do you think i said
[1:13:29 – 1:13:32] Erik: Well, search Saginaw Lake campsites.
[1:13:32 – 1:13:33] Adam: That’s what I said.
[1:13:33 – 1:13:34] Adam: I was like, go check out the website.
[1:13:34 – 1:13:36] Adam: You’ll be able to find out everything you want to know.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:38] Adam: No, I said Englishman.
[1:13:38 – 1:13:40] Adam: Got to head to Englishman Island.
[1:13:41 – 1:13:42] Adam: Two great campsites.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:45] Erik: A lot of sand in the toes.
[1:13:45 – 1:13:46] Erik: There’s quite a few.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:47] Erik: We did a whole episode.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:48] Erik: For whatever reason, it’s
[1:13:48 – 1:13:56] Erik: Spotify has like the, you know, when you go and look at a podcast, it says like the preview, the highlighted episode.
[1:13:56 – 1:13:58] Erik: It’s the sag leg episode.
[1:13:58 – 1:14:00] Adam: That’s what we’re most known for.
[1:14:00 – 1:14:02] Erik: It’s like 200 episodes ago, though.
[1:14:03 – 1:14:03] Erik: Come on.
[1:14:04 – 1:14:08] Adam: We’re not allowed to change that if anybody’s wondering why that’s been selected.
[1:14:08 – 1:14:20] Adam: Spotify’s algorithm picked that episode as the most quintessential Tumble Home episode, which we motorboated around and ran over several reefs and almost died to get you this campsite review information.
[1:14:20 – 1:14:22] Erik: Put a hole in a boat on that trip.
[1:14:22 – 1:14:25] Adam: That whole section by Englishman, though, is good.
[1:14:25 – 1:14:26] Adam: All those campsites over there.
[1:14:26 – 1:14:35] Adam: There’s that one with the little marina on the island north and east from Englishman, and then there’s a couple other four-star sites around there, too.
[1:14:35 – 1:14:36] Erik: We’re doing letter grades here.
[1:14:36 – 1:14:37] Erik: This is campsite 39.
[1:14:39 – 1:14:42] Erik: This is in the James Bay neck of the woods.
[1:14:42 – 1:14:45] Adam: Yeah, we’re on the Danielson scale again now, which makes sense.
[1:14:45 – 1:14:46] Erik: Yeah.
[1:14:46 – 1:14:47] Adam: Thank God.
[1:14:47 – 1:14:48] Erik: It makes sense.
[1:14:48 – 1:14:50] Erik: It’s orally uniform.
[1:14:51 – 1:14:51] Erik: Pure.
[1:14:51 – 1:14:55] Erik: Yeah, James Bay, which is like… Oh, yeah, it’s off the corridor.
[1:14:55 – 1:14:59] Erik: Kind of just right off east of the corridor, yeah, right when, just about a couple miles.
[1:14:59 – 1:15:00] Adam: Yeah, there it is.
[1:15:00 – 1:15:01] Adam: There’s three sites back in there.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:02] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:03] Erik: Or maybe.
[1:15:04 – 1:15:09] Erik: Also, I don’t know, this time of year, the time of year we did this was like, I don’t know, what, mid-October?
[1:15:09 – 1:15:10] Erik: All the leaves were gone.
[1:15:10 – 1:15:12] Erik: It was like a day like today, you know?
[1:15:12 – 1:15:14] Erik: These sites were not looking pretty to begin with.
[1:15:15 – 1:15:21] Adam: We were out there in our crab fishing gear, basically.
[1:15:21 – 1:15:24] Erik: Full rubbers, head to toes.
[1:15:24 – 1:15:25] Adam: We were out there on the Nor’easter.
[1:15:26 – 1:15:26] Erik: Basically.
[1:15:27 – 1:15:30] Erik: Without that motorboat, we surely would not have been moving around on that lake at all.
[1:15:30 – 1:15:32] Erik: It was windy, raining.
[1:15:32 – 1:15:33] Adam: Couldn’t see the reefs at all.
[1:15:33 – 1:15:34] Erik: No.
[1:15:34 – 1:15:36] Erik: Slammed into multiple reefs.
[1:15:36 – 1:15:37] Adam: I almost got dislodged.
[1:15:37 – 1:15:38] Erik: Yeah.
[1:15:38 – 1:15:40] Erik: There was a shriek at one point.
[1:15:40 – 1:15:40] Erik: My God.
[1:15:42 – 1:15:45] Adam: Yeah, we’re like a reef on edge.
[1:15:45 – 1:15:50] Erik: Oh, yeah, after the first day where we’re like, well, we just put a hole in the boat, but we’re all the way out here.
[1:15:50 – 1:15:51] Erik: We’re razzled.
[1:15:51 – 1:15:54] Erik: I think if we just keep bailing enough, we’ll be okay.
[1:15:54 – 1:15:57] Adam: That’s all I did for the rest of the trip was just bail and shriek.
[1:15:58 – 1:15:59] Adam: Yeah, not with joy.
[1:15:59 – 1:16:02] Adam: Shorts and tanks, bails and shrieks.
[1:16:02 – 1:16:03] Adam: Bails and shrieks?
[1:16:03 – 1:16:05] Adam: Sashes and tanks.
[1:16:05 – 1:16:07] Erik: Campsite 39 is back in James Bay.
[1:16:08 – 1:16:20] Erik: If you find it necessary to push on farther into the shallow, weedy bay that is James Bay, you will find one stunted, lonely pine, crookedly standing guard next to a seemingly defunct fire grate.
[1:16:21 – 1:16:23] Erik: Almost like it’s the only thing it has left in this world.
[1:16:24 – 1:16:28] Erik: Of course, we all know this will eventually become a Pixar movie when they run out of ideas.
[1:16:29 – 1:16:30] Erik: I should show you the picture.
[1:16:30 – 1:16:33] Erik: Just a lone, one lone pine.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:33] Erik: Yeah.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:35] Erik: See, these are what campsite reviews should be.
[1:16:36 – 1:16:42] Erik: Oh, I’m not one that takes pleasure in disparaging poor BWCA campsites, but seriously though, I do.
[1:16:43 – 1:16:45] Erik: And this one is hilariously sad.
[1:16:45 – 1:16:49] Erik: We didn’t step foot into the actual campsite, but we all know what’s going on in there.
[1:16:50 – 1:16:52] Erik: And then I just end with, maybe it’s nicer in summer?
[1:16:52 – 1:16:54] Erik: Maybe it is.
[1:16:54 – 1:16:55] Adam: Question mark.
[1:16:56 – 1:16:57] Adam: A plus landing.
[1:16:57 – 1:16:58] Adam: We should go back and camp there.
[1:16:58 – 1:16:59] Adam: Fire grade area?
[1:16:59 – 1:17:00] Erik: Question mark plus.
[1:17:01 – 1:17:04] Adam: Overall, F. F. From a distance.
[1:17:05 – 1:17:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:17:06 – 1:17:07] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:17:07 – 1:17:11] Adam: I’m thinking the letter grades, the number grades, it doesn’t really matter.
[1:17:11 – 1:17:14] Adam: It’s either it’s great, it’s acceptable, or it’s awful.
[1:17:15 – 1:17:16] Adam: And even the awful ones are good.
[1:17:17 – 1:17:22] Adam: I’m hoping that the people on Facebook next week don’t prove me wrong, but…
[1:17:22 – 1:17:25] Adam: I’m thinking there’s a lot of fun to be had with bad campsites.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:26] Adam: Yeah.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:28] Adam: And good times are always had.
[1:17:28 – 1:17:34] Adam: It’s the people and the intentions you bring with you to the park that really make the site.
[1:17:34 – 1:17:36] Adam: Not the physical attributes.
[1:17:36 – 1:17:37] Adam: Yeah.
[1:17:38 – 1:17:39] Erik: Do you remember this one?
[1:17:39 – 1:17:41] Erik: This one kind of caught me by surprise.
[1:17:42 – 1:17:45] Erik: If you’re looking to get spooked, this campsite is for you.
[1:17:45 – 1:17:47] Adam: Is it the one with the foundations?
[1:17:48 – 1:17:48] Adam: Oh, yes.
[1:17:49 – 1:17:53] Adam: The other one on this island is very good and what I would consider Mamiguesa Island, I believe.
[1:17:53 – 1:17:55] Erik: Yeah, it’s right up on the border.
[1:17:55 – 1:17:55] Erik: Yes.
[1:17:55 – 1:17:57] Erik: Right on the actual international border.
[1:17:57 – 1:18:02] Erik: The foundations of multiple old buildings can be found throughout the site, so you know it’s haunted.
[1:18:02 – 1:18:02] Erik: Yes.
[1:18:03 – 1:18:07] Erik: This was one of the most difficult campsites to find, and it clearly does not get used.
[1:18:08 – 1:18:08] Erik: It doesn’t.
[1:18:08 – 1:18:13] Erik: Yeah, if you want to call the old foundations tent pads, then there is one good one.
[1:18:15 – 1:18:18] Erik: And then next week on Ghost Hunters, terror on Sagada Ga.
[1:18:19 – 1:18:19] Erik: Yes.
[1:18:20 – 1:18:25] Erik: I was like, what are the old cabins?
[1:18:25 – 1:18:27] Erik: They were like, yeah, this is the Boundary Waters now.
[1:18:28 – 1:18:31] Erik: Sorry, Dorothy Moulter Jr., but you got to go.
[1:18:31 – 1:18:33] Adam: No, I remember that one.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:38] Adam: And I had stayed on the other site on that island with Natalie at one point.
[1:18:39 – 1:18:56] Adam: it’s a magical little site and we’re like i wonder what’s going on that other site and we never did see it and then i came back with you and we stopped there and was like oh my there’s like real foundations that’s probably the one we spent the most time at we’re just walking around super interesting actually i would love to stay on that site actually we should go back and stay on artifact island
[1:18:56 – 1:18:58] Erik: Yeah, the tent pad is literally an old cement pad.
[1:18:58 – 1:18:59] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:59 – 1:19:00] Erik: You could just throw a tent on it if you wanted.
[1:19:01 – 1:19:01] Adam: Yeah.
[1:19:01 – 1:19:02] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:19:02 – 1:19:03] Erik: Sounds fun.
[1:19:03 – 1:19:04] Erik: Campsite 56.
[1:19:04 – 1:19:05] Erik: Holy bananas.
[1:19:05 – 1:19:10] Erik: This is a derelict campsite, and I am assuming it is because of the moonscape surrounding it caused by wildfires.
[1:19:10 – 1:19:12] Erik: There’s your wild… Because of the wildfires.
[1:19:13 – 1:19:15] Erik: The only thing this spot is good for is a laugh.
[1:19:15 – 1:19:18] Erik: I’d rather take my chances at the spooky site across the bay.
[1:19:18 – 1:19:19] Adam: I would too, yeah.
[1:19:19 – 1:19:24] Adam: I think of these three on SAG so far, I’d definitely vote for going to spooky sites.
[1:19:24 – 1:19:29] Adam: Can we go out there and stay on the foundations like on Halloween maybe?
[1:19:30 – 1:19:30] Erik: Oh, sure.
[1:19:31 – 1:19:32] Erik: Yeah, let’s do it.
[1:19:32 – 1:19:33] Adam: On the foundations.
[1:19:33 – 1:19:35] Erik: It has to be on the foundations.
[1:19:35 – 1:19:35] Adam: Yeah.
[1:19:38 – 1:19:39] Adam: No hammocks allowed.
[1:19:39 – 1:19:41] Adam: You got to sleep on the foundations.
[1:19:42 – 1:19:46] Erik: The last one, I think, is the best one.
[1:19:46 – 1:19:47] Erik: The best worst one.
[1:19:47 – 1:19:48] Erik: The worst one on SAG.
[1:19:48 – 1:19:49] Erik: Campsite 64.
[1:19:49 – 1:19:50] Erik: Where is it?
[1:19:51 – 1:19:54] Erik: It’s up in the top, like, right bay.
[1:19:54 – 1:19:55] Erik: Not even bay.
[1:19:56 – 1:19:59] Erik: Right around the corner, you know, where SAG Falls flows out.
[1:19:59 – 1:19:59] Erik: Yeah.
[1:20:00 – 1:20:00] Erik: It’s, like, just…
[1:20:01 – 1:20:04] Erik: Around the corner in that shallow little back bay.
[1:20:04 – 1:20:05] Adam: I think it’s that one right there.
[1:20:05 – 1:20:07] Erik: He’s pointing to it.
[1:20:08 – 1:20:09] Erik: I’ll show you the picture.
[1:20:09 – 1:20:14] Erik: Not too much dissimilar to the one you showed me before, which is just like…
[1:20:15 – 1:20:19] Erik: I think that one almost looks nicer because it’s green.
[1:20:19 – 1:20:20] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this looks…
[1:20:21 – 1:20:26] Adam: Yeah, oh, this looks like somebody kind of went through there with a brush hog, but didn’t.
[1:20:26 – 1:20:28] Erik: At some point, maybe, yeah.
[1:20:28 – 1:20:30] Erik: Whoa, Nelly, we saved the worst for last.
[1:20:31 – 1:20:33] Erik: It may actually be detrimental to your health to camp here.
[1:20:34 – 1:20:38] Erik: I feel bad for all the other campsites out there for even using the word campsite to describe this place.
[1:20:39 – 1:20:40] Erik: This is not a campsite.
[1:20:40 – 1:20:43] Erik: It’s a random piece of land that happens to have a fire grate on it.
[1:20:44 – 1:20:45] Erik: We did not search for the latrine.
[1:20:46 – 1:21:08] Erik: we did not search for the latrine as if its location in the shallow monkey bay wasn’t bad enough this sad this neglected puppy of a site offers nothing in the way of amenities we started with arguably the best campsite on the lake and are ending with unequivocally the worst possibly in all the bwca there we go yeah oh strong contender right there what was it 64 64
[1:21:09 – 1:21:29] Erik: 64 which is i don’t know like 9285 on the rando scale or whatever but basically in the little bay just to the west of where sag falls that one was bad i do believe there was a couple in that sector that we just couldn’t find oh there was a lot yeah there’s i mean who’s to say this one was the worst one we could find so far
[1:21:29 – 1:21:30] Erik: Yeah.
[1:21:30 – 1:21:35] Erik: No, I think there was a number in that area, specifically because of the fire.
[1:21:35 – 1:21:36] Erik: Because of the fire.
[1:21:37 – 1:21:38] Erik: We just couldn’t find them.
[1:21:38 – 1:21:38] Erik: Yeah.
[1:21:38 – 1:21:46] Erik: There’s probably an even worse one out there, but you can only rate the campsites you can find.
[1:21:47 – 1:21:52] Adam: I remember that one being absolutely just shockingly scary and bad.
[1:21:52 – 1:21:54] Erik: I think it was one of the last ones we ended up at, too.
[1:21:54 – 1:21:59] Adam: Yeah, we kind of worked our way from west to east on that adventure.
[1:22:00 – 1:22:04] Adam: We lived the Danielson scale on that adventure on SAG.
[1:22:04 – 1:22:04] Erik: That took us
[1:22:05 – 1:22:23] Adam: two weekends i thought we were out there for like multiple weekends well we went out once just for a day trip did like the western half oh yeah we did one long day trip and then we did like an overnight worth two days worth of like motorboating around so three full days actually on the lake and one night spent on hook island
[1:22:24 – 1:22:25] Erik: Yeah, somewhere up in there.
[1:22:25 – 1:22:26] Erik: We stayed up in Hook Island for that.
[1:22:26 – 1:22:33] Erik: I believe an old trail rat and beleaguered friend of the show described it as a banger.
[1:22:34 – 1:22:34] Erik: It’s a banger.
[1:22:34 – 1:22:36] Erik: We actually did stay at a banger.
[1:22:36 – 1:22:37] Erik: It was a nice sight.
[1:22:37 – 1:22:38] Erik: With the wall tent.
[1:22:38 – 1:22:39] Erik: I remember we…
[1:22:41 – 1:22:45] Erik: Motor boated around the whole lake, took pictures, did reviews, meticulous notes.
[1:22:45 – 1:22:46] Erik: Back when I had a purpose.
[1:22:47 – 1:22:47] Erik: Yes.
[1:22:48 – 1:22:48] Erik: And then we left.
[1:22:48 – 1:22:49] Erik: We stayed at this campsite.
[1:22:49 – 1:22:51] Erik: We never took pictures of that campsite.
[1:22:51 – 1:22:53] Erik: Yeah, we never took a picture of that campsite.
[1:22:53 – 1:22:56] Erik: So it’s the one campsite in the whole description where there’s just no pictures of it.
[1:22:56 – 1:22:57] Erik: Not a picture.
[1:22:57 – 1:23:00] Adam: We just had a picture of the wall tent.
[1:23:00 – 1:23:01] Erik: Yeah.
[1:23:01 – 1:23:03] Erik: We’re still waiting to finish that cribbage journey, aren’t we?
[1:23:04 – 1:23:04] Adam: We are.
[1:23:05 – 1:23:06] Adam: I’m up one game to nothing.
[1:23:08 – 1:23:09] Adam: In the best of 100 so far.
[1:23:10 – 1:23:11] Adam: That one didn’t count.
[1:23:11 – 1:23:12] Adam: That was a practice game.
[1:23:13 – 1:23:14] Adam: Yeah, right.
[1:23:15 – 1:23:21] Erik: Yeah, so we have, I feel like I’ve read a pretty good amount.
[1:23:21 – 1:23:21] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:23:21 – 1:23:22] Erik: I could read these all night.
[1:23:23 – 1:23:31] Adam: Well, I definitely tried my best to click on every site on Paddle Planner, but there’s so many out there, and I definitely didn’t make it all.
[1:23:31 – 1:23:32] Adam: So I’m going to keep clicking around.
[1:23:32 – 1:23:33] Adam: Sure, yeah.
[1:23:33 – 1:23:37] Adam: I didn’t even get over to the Crab Lake sector yet.
[1:23:37 – 1:23:38] Adam: I’m not ventured in there.
[1:23:38 – 1:23:39] Erik: You didn’t get into…
[1:23:41 – 1:23:43] Erik: Old, uh, pig hearts, neck of the woods.
[1:23:43 – 1:23:44] Erik: I didn’t at all.
[1:23:44 – 1:23:45] Erik: No, I can’t wait.
[1:23:45 – 1:23:46] Adam: I’m going to save that for next week.
[1:23:46 – 1:23:46] Adam: Maybe.
[1:23:46 – 1:23:54] Adam: Uh, the main, the main feast for next week, of course, will be, we’re going to jump back into Facebook.
[1:23:54 – 1:24:04] Erik: The main disgusting feast is that we are going to jump back into Facebook after a Zuckerberg serving up cold spaghetti with raw meatballs in it.
[1:24:04 – 1:24:09] Adam: And, uh, a lot of just eating all sorts of computer chips and silicone.
[1:24:09 – 1:24:09] Adam: Yeah.
[1:24:11 – 1:24:11] Adam: Bits.
[1:24:11 – 1:24:14] Erik: Bits and chips is on the menu again next week.
[1:24:14 – 1:24:16] Adam: Bits and chips.
[1:24:16 – 1:24:18] Adam: Old Zuckerberg serving them up hot.
[1:24:18 – 1:24:25] Adam: We got a whole thread on Facebook, and you got one week, dear listeners, to chime in if you so dare.
[1:24:25 – 1:24:42] Erik: Yeah, I would not recommend signing back up or signing up for, again, a website that once had a mild purpose has now been ravaged by AI, COVID, and the remaining bits of loose dendritic.
[1:24:42 – 1:24:44] Adam: Oh, the dendrites are loose over there.
[1:24:44 – 1:24:49] Erik: Zombie human beings that still exist on there.
[1:24:49 – 1:24:51] Adam: They’re real humans over there on Facebook.
[1:24:51 – 1:24:58] Adam: And we haven’t opened up the Facebook page for Tumble Home in like four and a half years probably.
[1:24:58 – 1:24:58] Adam: Probably.
[1:24:58 – 1:25:03] Adam: But after that Frost River trip and we came back from our delightful evening on Whipped.
[1:25:03 – 1:25:04] Adam: You got back on there, though.
[1:25:04 – 1:25:11] Adam: I said to Eric when we were eating our burgers at Poplar House, I was like, I’m going to put a post on Facebook and see what happens.
[1:25:11 – 1:25:13] Adam: That was two plus months ago now.
[1:25:13 – 1:25:15] Adam: And you got one more week.
[1:25:15 – 1:25:19] Adam: If you’re sick enough to go on there and make a comment and you’ve heard this, I hope you do.
[1:25:20 – 1:25:21] Erik: What is wrong with these people?
[1:25:22 – 1:25:23] Adam: I hope you do.
[1:25:23 – 1:25:28] Adam: I cannot wait to crack into it, but it’s been up there for over two months, and I have not looked at it once.
[1:25:29 – 1:25:29] Adam: Who knows?
[1:25:29 – 1:25:31] Adam: There could be four comments on there.
[1:25:31 – 1:25:34] Adam: There could be 400. Who knows what we’re going to find next week.
[1:25:34 – 1:25:35] Erik: We’re going to get to the bottom of it.
[1:25:35 – 1:25:39] Erik: We’re going to crank up the old rotary dial-up micron computer.
[1:25:39 – 1:25:40] Adam: Should we print it?
[1:25:40 – 1:25:41] Adam: Printed Facebook.
[1:25:42 – 1:26:11] Adam: printed Facebook I don’t even know if that’s possible go to the library and print it off again I don’t know I’m a little scared I’m very excited as to what’s going to happen next week but this was just the preview episode 260 is the real meat of this discussion and it’s coming straight from Facebook somebody’s going to try and sell you a door with the hinges upside down for easy moving of appliances in and out
[1:26:12 – 1:26:12] Adam: Absolutely.
[1:26:13 – 1:26:14] Adam: Who knows what’s going to happen?
[1:26:14 – 1:26:16] Adam: I cannot wait for next week.
[1:26:16 – 1:26:18] Adam: But you have a week if you want to get in.
[1:26:19 – 1:26:27] Adam: I suspect when we put this up originally, I told Eric, I said, we’re probably going to get half the comments are just going to be like,
[1:26:28 – 1:26:31] Adam: There’s no such thing as a bad campsite in the Boundary Waters.
[1:26:31 – 1:26:32] Adam: Yeah, what are your predictions?
[1:26:32 – 1:26:43] Adam: That’s my prediction for the vibes on Facebook is that anybody who’s somehow found the thread who likes paddling, that’s going to be their position.
[1:26:43 – 1:26:49] Adam: There’s no such thing as a bad campsite, which is ultimately, sadly, and kind of ironically, our position is…
[1:26:49 – 1:26:55] Adam: After staying on Whipped, it’s just like there really isn’t such a thing, but it’s the way you say it.
[1:26:56 – 1:26:57] Adam: We had a good time on Whipped.
[1:26:57 – 1:26:59] Adam: It’s not a nice campsite, but we made the most of it.
[1:26:59 – 1:27:07] Adam: But then it’s this other version of that where they’re like, just by virtue of it being the Boundary Waters, it’s not even possible for it to be a bad site.
[1:27:07 – 1:27:11] Adam: That’s what I’m thinking we’re going to be coming into for the majority.
[1:27:11 – 1:27:12] Erik: Every campsite is a miracle.
[1:27:12 – 1:27:13] Adam: And a blessing.
[1:27:14 – 1:27:16] Adam: Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking mostly we’re going to run into next week.
[1:27:16 – 1:27:17] Adam: But who knows?
[1:27:17 – 1:27:19] Adam: Maybe we’ll be surprised.
[1:27:19 – 1:27:19] Adam: Let’s keep an open mind.
[1:27:20 – 1:27:23] Erik: I want to be surprised in so many different ways.
[1:27:24 – 1:27:26] Adam: I can’t wait to crack into this delight.
[1:27:26 – 1:27:31] Adam: Yeah, we’re going to do this thread and then we’re never going back to Facebook again.
[1:27:31 – 1:27:35] Adam: Unless it goes really well, then maybe we’ll just shift the show all the way back to Facebook town.
[1:27:36 – 1:27:42] Erik: Yeah, we should have thrown some money at it and boosted it to the top of everybody’s local page.
[1:27:43 – 1:27:44] Erik: Hammer that.
[1:27:44 – 1:27:48] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know how boosted was it naturally.
[1:27:48 – 1:27:49] Adam: I have no idea.
[1:27:49 – 1:27:50] Adam: I have no idea how it works anymore.
[1:27:50 – 1:27:54] Adam: We’re going to have comments from people that have never even heard of the Boundary Waters is my guess.
[1:27:55 – 1:28:13] Erik: um yeah could be with a bunch of responses from bots yeah bots from ireland and you know yeah that’s the first place i think of when i think of internet bots russia there we go there we go we have a bunch of arushki bots no such thing as a bad campsite no such thing as a bad soup but is there
[1:28:16 – 1:28:16] Adam: Yes, there is.
[1:28:17 – 1:28:21] Adam: You wouldn’t want to eat chowder on this site with Joe Biden because he’s old.
[1:28:21 – 1:28:23] Adam: Like, okay, Facebook, Jesus Christ.
[1:28:23 – 1:28:24] Adam: There we go.
[1:28:24 – 1:28:26] Adam: Yep, that’s what’s probably going to happen next week.
[1:28:26 – 1:28:27] Adam: But we’re going to have a lot of fun with it.
[1:28:29 – 1:28:35] Adam: Regardless of that, thank you to the true power behind Tomahome.
[1:28:35 – 1:28:37] Adam: That’s our Patreons.
[1:28:37 – 1:28:39] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:28:39 – 1:28:40] Erik: The real power.
[1:28:40 – 1:28:46] Adam: If you are a Patreon, you can just shoot us a DM with your worst campsite you ever heard of or seen.
[1:28:47 – 1:28:48] Adam: We will read that on the show, too.
[1:28:48 – 1:28:52] Adam: So send it to the DMs, Tomahomecast at the DMs.
[1:28:53 – 1:28:56] Erik: The worst campsite I’ve ever seen.
[1:28:56 – 1:28:58] SPEAKER_02: This is the sickest, most depraved campsite.
[1:28:59 – 1:29:03] Erik: It looked like a dump truck falling off the Empire State Building.
[1:29:05 – 1:29:06] Erik: Large Marge.
[1:29:06 – 1:29:07] Erik: Anybody?
[1:29:07 – 1:29:07] Adam: I got nothing.
[1:29:08 – 1:29:09] Adam: No, I didn’t follow.
[1:29:09 – 1:29:10] Erik: Pee-wee’s Big Adventure?
[1:29:10 – 1:29:16] Adam: I had to go back and watch the Tusk video after last week’s episode to remember the marching band.
[1:29:16 – 1:29:21] Adam: After you sprung that on me last week, I was like, I vaguely remember the marching band.
[1:29:21 – 1:29:23] Adam: I got to go watch the video.
[1:29:23 – 1:29:24] Adam: It’s great.
[1:29:25 – 1:29:26] Erik: Did I end up doing it?
[1:29:27 – 1:29:28] Erik: You did do Tusk.
[1:29:28 – 1:29:29] Erik: I did Tusk?
[1:29:29 – 1:29:29] Erik: Chip Tusk.
[1:29:30 – 1:29:30] Adam: Chip Tusk.
[1:29:30 – 1:29:31] Adam: Yeah.
[1:29:31 – 1:29:32] Adam: Chip marching bands, yeah.
[1:29:33 – 1:29:34] Adam: I didn’t even remember.
[1:29:36 – 1:29:37] Adam: What was the video you were going to watch?
[1:29:38 – 1:29:45] Adam: You just mentioned on the show, but I don’t even know why Tusk came up in the first place, Fleetwood Mac, and then you’re like,
[1:29:45 – 1:30:02] Adam: yeah the usc marching band oh yeah i was like what now you’re like yeah it’s the music video and then i went back and watched it and it’s just the usc marching band dancing in dodger stadium with fleetwood mac well is it dodger stadium or the rose bowl which is where usc plays
[1:30:02 – 1:30:04] Adam: No, it looked like Dodger Stadium to me.
[1:30:05 – 1:30:08] Erik: I think it was… What are we even talking about anymore?
[1:30:08 – 1:30:08] Adam: Baseball.
[1:30:09 – 1:30:11] Erik: Baseball.
[1:30:11 – 1:30:11] Adam: 1862.
[1:30:11 – 1:30:12] Erik: All right.
[1:30:13 – 1:30:16] Erik: Every campsite is a miracle and a blessing.
[1:30:17 – 1:30:18] Erik: And so are all of you.
[1:30:20 – 1:30:22] Erik: Sign up for Facebook now.
[1:30:22 – 1:30:23] Erik: It’s the hot new thing.
[1:30:24 – 1:30:29] Erik: To respond to what the worst campsite you’ve ever stayed at.
[1:30:31 – 1:30:32] Erik: Please tell us.
[1:30:33 – 1:30:33] Adam: All right.
[1:30:34 – 1:30:35] Adam: Thanks for listening.
[1:30:36 – 1:30:36] Adam: Good night, friends.
[1:30:52 – 1:30:54] UNKNOWN: Outro Music
[1:31:37 – 1:31:56] SPEAKER_02: It took to silence and they tread on me Warrior, you’re parasitic Slippery, you’re parasitic And they shout for me
[1:32:24 – 1:32:28] UNKNOWN: I’ll see you next time.
[1:34:00 – 1:34:00] UNKNOWN: Thank you.