310: Cox on Cox: Designed for Pleasure

Episode Transcript

[0:00:40 – 0:00:41] Erik: Don’t mess with a girl that wears rabbit fur.
[0:00:42 – 0:00:47] Erik: I can guarantee that bitch has nothing left to lose.
[0:00:49 – 0:00:57] Erik: Welcome to episode 310 of Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:58 – 0:00:59] Erik: My name is Eric.
[0:00:59 – 0:00:59] Erik: Hello.
[0:00:59 – 0:01:00] Erik: Welcome.
[0:01:00 – 0:01:03] Erik: Joined, as always, by my good friend…
[0:01:06 – 0:01:15] Erik: Adam, with the Grand Marais Public Library membership, must be nice to be a member of that special little club.
[0:01:15 – 0:01:18] Adam: Bonjour, bonjour, good night, Eric.
[0:01:18 – 0:01:20] Adam: Yeah, I can’t hear myself at all on this.
[0:01:20 – 0:01:22] Adam: This headphone’s out of juice, I think.
[0:01:23 – 0:01:25] Erik: It’s like a 2009 era iPod earbud.
[0:01:25 – 0:01:26] Erik: It’s got one left.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:35] Erik: Well, now you know how I felt a couple of weeks ago.
[0:01:35 – 0:01:38] Erik: I mean, your levels are coming through pretty good.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:40] Erik: Just trust.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:41] Adam: I know how to aim for the light.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:43] Erik: Just trust the process.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:43] Erik: All right.
[0:01:45 – 0:02:04] Adam: Yeah, I am a proud card-carrying member of the Grammaray Public Library, and yeah, tonight we are going to wrap up part three of shipwreck season with Too Much Sea for Their Decks by Michael Schumacher, and then I have to take this book back.
[0:02:04 – 0:02:06] Adam: I renewed it once, and I still have another week to go, but
[0:02:07 – 0:02:16] Erik: Yeah, I’m sure there’s a line of 65-year-old men just staring into the… What do you mean he renewed it?
[0:02:16 – 0:02:18] Erik: Staring into the coals of a dying fire.
[0:02:18 – 0:02:20] Adam: Maybe I’ll just renew it again.
[0:02:20 – 0:02:22] Erik: Don’t know what else to do with their lives.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:23] Erik: Sorry, Gary.
[0:02:23 – 0:02:30] Erik: Just practicing shuffling cards and getting real good at solitaire while they wait for you.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:33] Adam: I might get into woodworking by the time this book’s over.
[0:02:34 – 0:02:34] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:35 – 0:02:42] Erik: I guess I’ll check out a woodworking book in the meantime because I am waiting on Michael Schumacher’s Too Much Seas for their decks.
[0:02:43 – 0:02:45] Erik: Missed out on last week, but we are here.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:50] Erik: One day removed from tea day.
[0:02:50 – 0:02:52] Erik: A couple of tea boys here.
[0:02:53 – 0:02:54] Adam: Tea boy one, tea boy two right here.
[0:02:55 – 0:02:55] Adam: Yep.
[0:02:56 – 0:02:56] Adam: Toad boys.
[0:02:58 – 0:03:01] Adam: I’m here with gravy intern Trevor.
[0:03:02 – 0:03:04] Adam: Trevor, the gravy intern.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:04] Adam: Nice.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:05] Adam: Yes.
[0:03:05 – 0:03:06] Adam: Always pouring.
[0:03:06 – 0:03:07] Adam: Always stirring.
[0:03:07 – 0:03:08] Adam: Always be pouring.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:09] Adam: Always be whisking.
[0:03:09 – 0:03:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:35] Adam: always be whisk that rue always be skimming this little skin that gravy skin i was pretty mad that we weren’t allowed to nominate oh trevern for the music league this week even though it was the clear number one banger of 2025 i bet you if i would have gotten that up on spotify you could have could have nominated it yeah dang it it’s not too late we could still do it by the end of this week actually it’s too late it
[0:03:36 – 0:03:57] Erik: damn it oh maybe for parodies i’ll upload it and uh yeah it can be a parody song just so that’s not uh 13 weird al yankovic songs so um yeah and uh after our conclusion tonight we are back in the mezzanine it feels like it’s been forever
[0:03:59 – 0:04:08] Erik: And we had a hard decision to make in terms of selecting this week’s Tumble Home Cinema Classic for our $5 a month patrons.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:13] Erik: And I can tell you unequivocally, we made the wrong choice.
[0:04:16 – 0:04:17] Adam: Really messed up.
[0:04:18 – 0:04:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:19 – 0:04:22] Adam: We really steered that tuna boat in the wrong direction, Eric.
[0:04:23 – 0:04:29] Erik: We could have finally, finally, even though it does feel like we have done this movie, we have not.
[0:04:30 – 0:04:32] Adam: I cannot believe we haven’t done it.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:34] Erik: TCC’d A Perfect Storm.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:41] Erik: And we opted to not do that in lieu of 1980’s Death Ship.
[0:04:41 – 0:04:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:04:44 – 0:04:49] Erik: Another haunted boat movie, I guess.
[0:04:49 – 0:04:56] Adam: If the movie poster features the front of the boat coming right at you with a scary face superimposed upon its bow.
[0:04:56 – 0:04:59] Adam: Was Death Ship the first one that cracked that code?
[0:05:00 – 0:05:23] Erik: i think we have to keep going back in time to find out yeah what was the last time we did when we did sub month we kind of just kept going back and we’re like oh this is just the same movie over and over again we finally found like the origin and like uh like uh what was the like the first robert mitchum like sub movie i can’t even remember the name of it like the run silent run deep or whatever
[0:05:24 – 0:05:26] Adam: We never did that one, but that was the original.
[0:05:26 – 0:05:27] Adam: The Enemy Below.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:28] Adam: That’s the one, yeah.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:30] Erik: It’s like, oh, they’re all just based on this.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:32] Erik: We got to push to the limit, see how far we can go.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:33] Adam: How far back can we go?
[0:05:33 – 0:05:34] Adam: Gages are going to start blowing.
[0:05:34 – 0:05:39] Erik: And now it’s like, okay, we’re in 1980s for ghost ship movies, and they all kind of are the same.
[0:05:40 – 0:05:41] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:05:41 – 0:05:42] Erik: I don’t know how much farther back you can go, though.
[0:05:44 – 0:05:45] Adam: We will find out.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:47] Erik: I guess we will.
[0:05:47 – 0:05:48] Erik: But we’re doing, yes.
[0:05:49 – 0:05:50] Erik: Ghost.
[0:05:50 – 0:05:51] Erik: Death ship.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:51] Erik: Death ship.
[0:05:52 – 0:05:53] Erik: Death ship.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:55] Erik: Spoiler.
[0:05:57 – 0:05:57] Erik: They’re Nazis.
[0:05:58 – 0:05:59] Erik: It’s a Nazi death ship.
[0:05:59 – 0:06:00] Adam: What?
[0:06:00 – 0:06:00] Adam: Sorry.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:03] Erik: 50-year-old movie.
[0:06:05 – 0:06:06] Adam: Stands the test of time.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:07] Erik: All right.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:09] Adam: Well, it was free to watch.
[0:06:10 – 0:06:11] Adam: It was free on Yubi.
[0:06:12 – 0:06:12] Adam: Yubi.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:14] Adam: Uncle Buck?
[0:06:15 – 0:06:15] Adam: And…
[0:06:17 – 0:06:17] Adam: Everywhere.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:18] Adam: Actually, it was free everywhere.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:19] Erik: Yeah, it was free everywhere.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:21] Erik: If you’re paying for Death Ship, you don’t know how to…
[0:06:21 – 0:06:26] Adam: They have it on VHS and DVD at the Grammaray Public Library.
[0:06:26 – 0:06:26] Adam: Dang.
[0:06:26 – 0:06:28] Erik: They get VHS there still?
[0:06:28 – 0:06:29] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:06:29 – 0:06:29] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:06:29 – 0:06:32] Adam: They even rent you a VHS player if you want.
[0:06:32 – 0:06:34] Erik: Oh, yeah, Cabo, right in the TV.
[0:06:34 – 0:06:36] Adam: Yeah, you got to take the whole TV with you.
[0:06:36 – 0:06:38] Adam: It comes with the cart.
[0:06:38 – 0:06:46] Erik: Well, I’ve been seeing the kids online are harkening back to the old days of having that TV on the counter in the kitchen.
[0:06:47 – 0:06:53] Erik: Yeah, it’s, you know, going for that analog nostalgia while you’re eating your SpaghettiOs.
[0:06:54 – 0:06:57] Erik: You can watch a little Death Ship on VHS.
[0:06:57 – 0:06:58] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:59 – 0:07:20] Erik: barely tell what’s happening but you know half the movie is just a shot of the bow going through the water real close up on the bow yeah there was a lot of that it’s charging i don’t know if there was well we’ll get into it fire up the pistons not a good engine yeah a lot of great engine room content in this if you love pumping pistons and uh um
[0:07:21 – 0:07:21] Erik: Well, not much else.
[0:07:22 – 0:07:25] Adam: You’re really going to love… Nazi ghouls lubricating the pistons.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:25] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:26 – 0:07:26] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:27] Adam: All right.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:29] Adam: We’re going to definitely get into the mezzanine.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:31] Erik: I like my pistons nice and lubricated.
[0:07:32 – 0:07:33] Erik: Heard it here first.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:59] Adam: uh we do have a huge sack of art supplies which was pulled out of the uh warm room last week and my children ruined uh the uh the recording session last week and there we therefore we had to postpone the show an entire week because they would not sleep so yeah i am blaming my children for the delay i think they’ll ever hear this to 310
[0:08:03 – 0:08:05] Adam: Yeah, I bet they will.
[0:08:05 – 0:08:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:11] Adam: And you guys didn’t sleep very well on this previous weekend in 2025.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:14] Adam: I don’t know what got into you, scoundrels.
[0:08:14 – 0:08:15] Adam: But we’re back.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:16] Adam: They can’t keep us down.
[0:08:18 – 0:08:21] Adam: Put it back in the warm room and then today pulled it back out.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:34] Adam: To cool it, it is 14 degrees out, and I was at the holiday parade in Grand Marais, and tree lighting and fireworks, and it is quite cold out there.
[0:08:34 – 0:08:36] Adam: So these are probably good drinking temps.
[0:08:36 – 0:08:38] Adam: It’s a large sack of beers.
[0:08:38 – 0:08:42] Adam: These came in September 15th.
[0:08:42 – 0:08:45] Adam: This is for Eric and Adam, Art Supplies.
[0:08:46 – 0:08:49] Erik: I’m glad they’ve been warmed and cooled multiple times.
[0:08:49 – 0:08:51] Adam: Yeah, I’m sure that’s going to be really good for them.
[0:08:51 – 0:08:56] Erik: Oh, no, it’s another 100 milligram purple weed drink.
[0:08:56 – 0:08:58] Adam: This is crazy.
[0:08:59 – 0:09:02] Adam: It’s two regular beers with two small beers.
[0:09:02 – 0:09:04] Erik: Wow, yeah, that’s a weird dangler.
[0:09:05 – 0:09:05] Erik: What is this?
[0:09:06 – 0:09:07] Erik: Is this a photocopy of a poem?
[0:09:11 – 0:09:12] Erik: And peanuts.
[0:09:13 – 0:09:15] Erik: From the Atlanta Braves.
[0:09:15 – 0:09:16] Adam: The Atlanta Braves sent us peanuts.
[0:09:17 – 0:09:17] Adam: Oh, wow.
[0:09:18 – 0:09:19] Adam: There’s apparel.
[0:09:20 – 0:09:21] Erik: And apparel?
[0:09:22 – 0:09:23] Erik: Whoa, big sticker.
[0:09:23 – 0:09:23] Erik: Look at that.
[0:09:25 – 0:09:29] Adam: The Athens Rock Lobsters hockey team.
[0:09:29 – 0:09:33] Erik: That is a lobster rocking out on a hockey stick turned electric guitar.
[0:09:33 – 0:09:34] Erik: It would be funny…
[0:09:42 – 0:10:04] Adam: i don’t i can’t tell if i should read the poem or the that’s nice nice t-shirts that’s a high quality shirt teach well there’s a bunch of stuff on the back what are the wild places listed all right there’s a lot of them we got two t-shirts to start with and it says wild places matter on the front on the back oh my god isle royale is on there i see it right away
[0:10:08 – 0:10:33] Erik: uh it’s just all the national parks nice listed in uh never heard of most of these never these when did that happen there’s a second shirt sir a second shirt oh no has hit the table yeah play more records nice
[0:10:36 – 0:10:37] Erik: The Bitter Southern.
[0:10:37 – 0:10:39] Erik: That’s a pretty nice shirt.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:41] Erik: Well, we’re going to get to the bottom of who these are from.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:46] Erik: I can’t tell if the photocopied poem is of any importance.
[0:10:46 – 0:10:47] Erik: We’ll see.
[0:10:47 – 0:10:50] Erik: But we do have a handwritten note.
[0:10:50 – 0:10:51] Erik: September 12th, 2025.
[0:10:51 – 0:10:52] Erik: Do you want to read it?
[0:10:53 – 0:10:53] Erik: No.
[0:10:54 – 0:10:54] Erik: Okay.
[0:10:54 – 0:10:56] Adam: I got a lot of reading ahead of me.
[0:10:56 – 0:10:57] Erik: You do, yes.
[0:10:57 – 0:11:00] Erik: We got to save the pipes.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:02] Erik: Eric and Adam.
[0:11:03 – 0:11:05] Erik: Dropping off some supplies before.
[0:11:07 – 0:11:08] Erik: That’s underlined.
[0:11:09 – 0:11:12] Erik: Our paddle from Cross Bay to Poplar.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:15] Erik: Our first venture to the BWCA.
[0:11:15 – 0:11:15] Erik: Wow.
[0:11:16 – 0:11:22] Erik: We’ve paddled the Okefenokee, in parentheses, 161 alligators.
[0:11:23 – 0:11:25] Erik: Three days in the beautiful swamp.
[0:11:25 – 0:11:28] Erik: This BWCA paddle is six nights out.
[0:11:29 – 0:11:34] Erik: We have simultaneously over and under planned this adventure.
[0:11:35 – 0:11:38] Erik: Through all the planning, we listened to Tumble Home.
[0:11:38 – 0:11:42] Erik: A wealth of welcome knowledge and camaraderie.
[0:11:42 – 0:11:43] Erik: We thank you for that.
[0:11:44 – 0:11:46] Erik: It was nice to learn something…
[0:11:48 – 0:11:55] Erik: It was nice to learn some things were similar to where we are in the South.
[0:11:55 – 0:11:58] Erik: Like people drink beer in the shed here all the time.
[0:11:59 – 0:12:00] Erik: And some differences.
[0:12:00 – 0:12:10] Erik: We are likely to tailgate seven Saturdays a season, whereas hardly anyone is support for mushers in a sled race.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:13] Erik: I know.
[0:12:13 – 0:12:18] Erik: We do have a hockey team, the Rock Lobsters, but I don’t know why.
[0:12:18 – 0:12:20] Erik: I don’t know why.
[0:12:21 – 0:12:25] Erik: Anyway, we hope you all keep hanging out and keep sharing it with all of us.
[0:12:26 – 0:12:27] Erik: Yes, that is the plan.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:31] Adam: Next year for November, we should go to a Rock Lobsters game.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:34] Erik: Yeah, we got to get out of the NHL, get down into the deep south.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:35] Erik: Yeah, we need to go to that.
[0:12:35 – 0:12:36] Erik: AHL minors.
[0:12:39 – 0:13:06] Erik: mary and michael p.s point of parenting pride our daughter lois designed the label for the luxury beer for our local athletic authentic ath-entic brewery is that what’s ath-entic oh yeah ath-entic athens yeah that makes sense athens oh nice okay ath-entic point of parenting pride uh well we’ll read the poem on the back um later
[0:13:08 – 0:13:08] Erik: Off mic.
[0:13:10 – 0:13:10] Erik: To each other.
[0:13:11 – 0:13:11] Erik: Yes.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:14] Erik: Wow, great.
[0:13:15 – 0:13:17] Erik: So, this is…
[0:13:17 – 0:13:18] Erik: These are some Georgians?
[0:13:18 – 0:13:20] Erik: Is that what the sense I’m getting here?
[0:13:21 – 0:13:22] Erik: You got it.
[0:13:22 – 0:13:22] Erik: You nailed it.
[0:13:24 – 0:13:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:25 – 0:13:28] Erik: Okie finokie.
[0:13:28 – 0:13:29] Erik: 161 alligators?
[0:13:30 – 0:13:30] Erik: That’s it?
[0:13:31 – 0:13:32] Adam: That’s a lot.
[0:13:33 – 0:13:34] Erik: Do you want the… Do you know how many teeth that is?
[0:13:34 – 0:13:35] Erik: Do you want the…
[0:13:37 – 0:13:37] Erik: The design.
[0:13:37 – 0:13:39] Erik: What’s this?
[0:13:39 – 0:13:40] Erik: It’s a fist.
[0:13:41 – 0:13:42] Erik: I got a counterpunch.
[0:13:42 – 0:13:46] Adam: Oh, they’re both from Authentic.
[0:13:46 – 0:13:47] Adam: Is this Art Deco?
[0:13:49 – 0:13:49] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:13:49 – 0:13:50] Erik: You’d have to ask the daughter.
[0:13:52 – 0:13:53] Adam: I don’t think so.
[0:13:55 – 0:14:02] Erik: I’m drinking an Authentic counterpunch pale ale brewed for ales for ALS.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:11] Adam: Oh, I got an authentic brewing luxury model India Pale Ale.
[0:14:12 – 0:14:13] Erik: It’s gold.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:14] Erik: Is that real gold?
[0:14:14 – 0:14:15] Adam: Yeah, this is real gold.
[0:14:15 – 0:14:16] Adam: I’m going to keep this one.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:24] Adam: Oh, yeah, it does say this is the art design.
[0:14:26 – 0:14:28] Adam: It’s part of our artist label series.
[0:14:28 – 0:14:29] Erik: All right.
[0:14:29 – 0:14:29] Erik: All right.
[0:14:30 – 0:14:34] Erik: We did end up spending the few listeners remember a few episodes back.
[0:14:34 – 0:14:37] Erik: We got an envelope finally, finally for the first time.
[0:14:38 – 0:14:39] Erik: Hopefully not the last time.
[0:14:39 – 0:14:44] Erik: Filled with wet mildewy basement of your grandparents.
[0:14:44 – 0:14:47] Erik: I think it was a barn.
[0:14:48 – 0:15:14] Erik: cash barn cash barn cash an envelope filled with barn hay cash and we bought uh 1.5 beers with it at the minneapolis airport frantically before getting on a flight to raleigh uh yeah raleigh would it’s amazing uh how very not far 39 goes at an airport bar went far enough though yeah it went far enough for these two caniacs
[0:15:15 – 0:15:16] Erik: Well, we are now Caniacs.
[0:15:16 – 0:15:17] Adam: Honorary Caniacs.
[0:15:17 – 0:15:18] Erik: Honorary Caniacs.
[0:15:18 – 0:15:21] Adam: Maybe next year will be Honorary Rock Lobster Axe.
[0:15:24 – 0:15:26] Erik: Lobster Axe.
[0:15:26 – 0:15:29] Erik: That’s not what they call them at all.
[0:15:31 – 0:15:34] Erik: Yeah, we can workshop that.
[0:15:35 – 0:15:40] Erik: Rock Lobster.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:42] Adam: It doesn’t work that way.
[0:15:44 – 0:15:45] Adam: We’ll get to it eventually, though.
[0:15:46 – 0:15:47] Adam: You can’t force these things.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:52] Adam: But yeah, we were able to spend the barn cash.
[0:15:52 – 0:15:52] Erik: Rock Lobstards?
[0:15:53 – 0:15:54] Adam: No.
[0:15:54 – 0:15:55] Adam: Lobstars.
[0:15:56 – 0:15:58] Adam: We had the barn cash out and going.
[0:15:58 – 0:15:59] Adam: Barn cash.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:16:01 – 0:16:02] Adam: We almost missed our flight coming back.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:04] Erik: No, we didn’t.
[0:16:04 – 0:16:04] Adam: We didn’t.
[0:16:04 – 0:16:06] Erik: We were the last ones on the plane.
[0:16:06 – 0:16:08] Adam: They would have probably started paging our names.
[0:16:09 – 0:16:11] Adam: I’ve never been the last one on a plane, though.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:12] Erik: That’s great.
[0:16:12 – 0:16:13] Erik: It’s a point of pride.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:15] Erik: I’m always trying to be the last one on the plane.
[0:16:16 – 0:16:16] Erik: We timed it right.
[0:16:16 – 0:16:17] Erik: What do you want to get on?
[0:16:18 – 0:16:20] Erik: You want to be on the plane early?
[0:16:20 – 0:16:24] Erik: Unless you’re in first class and you’re flying like over the ocean and they immediately start like.
[0:16:24 – 0:16:25] Erik: Pouring the champagne.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:26] Erik: Get on there.
[0:16:26 – 0:16:27] Erik: Oh, you want to get back?
[0:16:27 – 0:16:30] Erik: You want to go sit next to the coach shitter as soon as possible?
[0:16:30 – 0:16:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:31 – 0:16:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:32 – 0:16:33] Erik: Okay, cool.
[0:16:33 – 0:16:34] Erik: You’re in zone one.
[0:16:34 – 0:16:34] Erik: Good luck with that.
[0:16:34 – 0:16:36] Erik: I don’t care what zone I’m in.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:38] Erik: I’m literally waiting until like.
[0:16:38 – 0:16:39] Erik: I’m zone six for life.
[0:16:40 – 0:16:40] Erik: Zone 6 for life.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:42] Erik: No doubt.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:44] Erik: Pop a peanut in for that.
[0:16:44 – 0:16:45] Erik: Yeah, we made it.
[0:16:45 – 0:16:47] Erik: Did we mention these peanuts?
[0:16:47 – 0:16:48] Erik: Yeah, well, I think briefly.
[0:16:48 – 0:16:49] Erik: Braves peanuts.
[0:16:49 – 0:16:53] Erik: Yeah, we got some branded peanuts in the shell.
[0:16:55 – 0:16:57] Erik: Start shucking those on Mike?
[0:16:57 – 0:17:01] Erik: Just throwing them on the floor like we’re at a Texas Roadhouse or whatever?
[0:17:01 – 0:17:04] Adam: Yeah, shuck them like I’m Ronald Acuna over here.
[0:17:04 – 0:17:05] Erik: Oh, nice.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:06] Erik: Topical.
[0:17:06 – 0:17:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:06 – 0:17:07] Erik: Does he still play for them?
[0:17:08 – 0:17:08] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:17:09 – 0:17:10] Erik: Have they shattered a femur or something?
[0:17:11 – 0:17:11] Erik: He’s back.
[0:17:11 – 0:17:11] Erik: He’s back.
[0:17:11 – 0:17:13] Erik: Going 40 for 40 again.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:13] Erik: Wow.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:17] Erik: All right.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:20] Adam: Rare size speed combo.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:21] Adam: Power.
[0:17:22 – 0:17:23] Adam: I don’t think that’s how you say it.
[0:17:23 – 0:17:25] Adam: Just listing attributes.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:26] Adam: Power speed combo.
[0:17:27 – 0:17:27] Adam: Arm.
[0:17:28 – 0:17:30] Adam: He’s a five phase player.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:32] Adam: Ronald Acuna.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:34] Adam: I know the base, Eric.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:35] Adam: I know the base.
[0:17:36 – 0:17:37] Adam: Size eight hat.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:39] Adam: That’s a big hat.
[0:17:40 – 0:17:41] Erik: That is a big hat.
[0:17:41 – 0:17:42] Erik: That’s a lot of hat to fill.
[0:17:42 – 0:17:43] Erik: Hey, it’s all within like an inch though.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:49] Erik: I mean, it’s not really that wildly different than somebody with a seven and a quarter, right?
[0:17:50 – 0:17:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:51 – 0:17:53] Adam: Seven and a quarter is a fine size hat.
[0:17:53 – 0:17:55] Erik: It’s a fine, the perfect size head.
[0:17:58 – 0:18:01] Adam: You know, I think a seven and a half is the perfect size, but to each their own.
[0:18:01 – 0:18:03] Adam: It’s not the size of the hat.
[0:18:03 – 0:18:05] Adam: It’s how many peanuts you can fit into it.
[0:18:05 – 0:18:06] Erik: It’s how you use it.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:07] Adam: That’s right.
[0:18:09 – 0:18:11] Adam: Was the poem on the back important, or was that just used?
[0:18:11 – 0:18:12] Erik: I didn’t get a sense that it was.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:15] Adam: We might read the poem as the outro later.
[0:18:16 – 0:18:17] Erik: Yeah, sure.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:18] Adam: It probably has something to do with shipping.
[0:18:19 – 0:18:27] Erik: Yeah, I’m sure it’s all about the great, illustrious history of Athens, Georgia shipping.
[0:18:28 – 0:18:29] Adam: How are these things, too?
[0:18:29 – 0:18:30] Adam: There’s two more in here.
[0:18:30 – 0:18:31] Adam: Small beers.
[0:18:31 – 0:18:33] Erik: Just a few small beers.
[0:18:33 – 0:18:35] Adam: A couple of small beers, officer.
[0:18:35 – 0:18:36] Adam: Don’t worry about it.
[0:18:36 – 0:18:41] Adam: Graybeard American IPAs from Pig Pizga Brewing Company.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:42] Adam: Pizga.
[0:18:43 – 0:18:44] Adam: Black Mountain, North Carolina.
[0:18:45 – 0:18:46] Adam: So we got two.
[0:18:47 – 0:18:48] Adam: Those look pretty good.
[0:18:48 – 0:18:50] Adam: They are their appropriate temperature, so…
[0:18:52 – 0:19:17] Adam: um yeah saw the tree lighting we saw the fireworks and there was two random goats in the parade you saw the four uh vehicles that drove down the road we saw four goats but actually it just turns out the two goats did two blocks yeah uh yeah the gram ray parade oh boy it just goes around the block twice that’s great yeah what more do you need in a parade i want to see the snowplow again that’s what yeah
[0:19:19 – 0:19:19] Adam: All right.
[0:19:20 – 0:19:22] Adam: Let me pull up the notes.
[0:19:22 – 0:19:23] Erik: Pull up the notes.
[0:19:23 – 0:19:25] Erik: I’m going to huck another log on this fire here.
[0:19:25 – 0:19:26] Adam: I’m just going to do it.
[0:19:26 – 0:19:27] Adam: I’m going to set the stage here.
[0:19:27 – 0:19:38] Adam: So this is part three of three, and it’s probably the end of shipwreck season for us, for this year at least.
[0:19:39 – 0:19:44] Adam: We have three more tales of disaster for you tonight, big boats.
[0:19:46 – 0:19:48] Adam: And then we’re going to leave it there.
[0:19:48 – 0:19:53] Adam: There’s a whole section at the end of the book just about famous storms of the Great Lakes.
[0:19:54 – 0:19:57] Adam: But… And then it got really windy.
[0:19:57 – 0:20:02] Adam: Yeah, it was super windy and they just all went crashing onto the reef.
[0:20:04 – 0:20:05] Adam: Um…
[0:20:07 – 0:20:10] Erik: Over-under on pigs shoved into the lake this week.
[0:20:11 – 0:20:13] Adam: Too many hogs being thrown in.
[0:20:14 – 0:20:15] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:20:15 – 0:20:17] Adam: Sacrificial hogs.
[0:20:17 – 0:20:20] Adam: I think I definitely mentioned this earlier.
[0:20:20 – 0:20:26] Adam: This is a pretty good book if you like this sort of topic.
[0:20:26 – 0:20:27] Adam: If your name is…
[0:20:27 – 0:20:53] Adam: you know george or doug and your old guy and want to read about shipwrecks for sure you’re going to want to have this one in your library it’s right in your wheelhouse but anybody who likes the great lakes should go ahead and check this one out but yeah i’m there’s a lot of extra content in here we’re not going to get to on the podcast obviously you should go get this book go down to the grammar a public library i’ll be returning it probably next week so
[0:20:53 – 0:20:54] Adam: You’re going to put a hold on that thing.
[0:20:55 – 0:20:58] Adam: You’re going to get it in short order.
[0:20:59 – 0:21:05] Adam: But, yeah, these are just a couple stories from the book, but there’s a lot more here.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:06] Adam: So thank you, Michael Schumacher.
[0:21:07 – 0:21:10] Adam: Link in the show notes for this source material.
[0:21:10 – 0:21:14] Adam: Obviously, I like the crazy color scheme on the cover.
[0:21:14 – 0:21:15] Adam: Yeah, very reggae.
[0:21:16 – 0:21:18] Adam: Reggae chromatics.
[0:21:18 – 0:21:45] Erik: yeah interesting choice i don’t know if i necessarily like it actually i don’t know about that at all but it’s like something i could maybe design it’s striking yeah i guess i don’t know interesting choice doesn’t really seem like it fits the uh they should probably like commission some artist as part of an art series to design this looks like maybe michael schumacher designed that i’m gonna go do you think there’s any information on who designed the the jacket
[0:21:48 – 0:21:53] Adam: This book is dedicated to all those who worked, lived, and died on the Great Lakes waters.
[0:21:56 – 0:21:59] Adam: Yeah, it doesn’t say anything about who designed the cover, though.
[0:21:59 – 0:22:02] Adam: Nobody getting any credit up there for that one.
[0:22:02 – 0:22:02] Adam: Too bad.
[0:22:04 – 0:22:05] Adam: That’s pretty funny, though.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:06] Adam: Why wouldn’t they give credit?
[0:22:07 – 0:22:08] Adam: What are they trying to hide?
[0:22:08 – 0:22:09] Erik: Yeah, what does it all mean?
[0:22:09 – 0:22:11] Erik: Maybe it’s on the back?
[0:22:13 – 0:22:13] Adam: Oh, here we go.
[0:22:14 – 0:22:16] Adam: Jacket designed by Victor…
[0:22:21 – 0:22:35] Adam: jacket jacket design by victor mingovitz mingovitz mingovitz classic mingovitz design victor mingovitz wow what else can i see his work
[0:22:41 – 0:22:55] Adam: doesn’t say anything else he doesn’t even have his tiktok handle listed here or nothing no at no at victor mingovitz he also designed the logo for the athens rock lobsters it says oh wow
[0:22:56 – 0:23:25] Adam: incredible so that’s who gets credit for this one I’m glad we figured that out the George M. Cox is just sticking out of the water and it’s like it’s like a gradient it’s like a Rastafarian gradient coloring behind it there’s nothing to do with winter on the Great Lakes I don’t understand it none of those colors really strike me as like Schumacher if you’re listening you gotta get on the horn and explain yourself on this one how’d you let this one get past the editor’s
[0:23:27 – 0:23:29] Erik: The Kamloops.
[0:23:29 – 0:23:29] Erik: Oh, my God.
[0:23:30 – 0:23:31] Erik: I just deleted all my notes.
[0:23:31 – 0:23:32] Adam: They’re all gone.
[0:23:32 – 0:23:33] Erik: Oh, my God.
[0:23:33 – 0:23:33] Erik: No.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:36] Erik: You’re defragmenting your phone right now?
[0:23:36 – 0:23:37] Erik: How would you do that?
[0:23:37 – 0:23:38] Erik: Have you ever heard of the Kamloops, Eric?
[0:23:39 – 0:23:39] SPEAKER_00: No.
[0:23:41 – 0:23:43] Adam: I think only from you the last time we were together.
[0:23:44 – 0:23:53] Adam: The Kamloops was sunk on probably December 7th, 1927, out on 12 o’clock point on Isle Royale.
[0:23:54 – 0:24:04] Adam: It was a general cargo ship which was launched in 1924, and it did get stuck in the ice in the St. Mary’s River in 1926.
[0:24:06 – 0:24:08] Adam: Otherwise, no real issues.
[0:24:09 – 0:24:14] Adam: It would usually sail as late as the season would allow is what it says.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:17] Adam: I’ve got a passage to start you out with.
[0:24:18 – 0:24:31] Adam: A typical Kamloops trip found the boat visiting ports, usually in the Thunder Bay area, picking up or dropping off cargo, servicing cities not even considered by the larger freighters.
[0:24:33 – 0:24:41] Adam: On a return trip, she might haul grain or other bulk goods to posts such as Montreal, Toronto, or Quebec City.
[0:24:42 – 0:24:56] Adam: The result of all this activity was a busy but easy-going work environment in which captain and crew grew to know the dock workers and those at the many visited locks, with the crew working like a big harmonious family.
[0:24:57 – 0:25:07] Adam: At one stop, Bill Bryan, the captain of the Kamloops, was presented a puppy that in no time became the boat’s mascot.
[0:25:09 – 0:25:10] Adam: Does the puppy have a name?
[0:25:11 – 0:25:11] SPEAKER_01: No.
[0:25:12 – 0:25:13] Adam: It never was listed.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:14] Adam: My God.
[0:25:14 – 0:25:16] Adam: Schumacher, what are you doing?
[0:25:16 – 0:25:16] Adam: Maybe it will.
[0:25:17 – 0:25:21] Adam: But yeah, I don’t know how you can include a detail like that and then not give us more information.
[0:25:21 – 0:25:24] Erik: I present you with a nameless puppy.
[0:25:24 – 0:25:35] Adam: Schumacher presents the story as to say that this crew and this boat were dear to the ports they visited.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:36] Adam: Yeah, sure.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:39] Adam: They loved them so much they gave old Bill Bryan a puppy.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:43] Erik: Every port they stopped at, they gained a new puppy.
[0:25:44 – 0:25:45] Adam: They fed them to the goats.
[0:25:47 – 0:25:53] Adam: The Kamloops cargo on her final trip of the 1927 season was typically diverse.
[0:25:54 – 0:26:02] Adam: Coiled wire, salt, candy, shoes, puppies, building supplies, and parts for puppies.
[0:26:04 – 0:26:06] Adam: and parts for paper-making machinery.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:10] Adam: The boat was loaded, but not overloaded.
[0:26:11 – 0:26:17] Adam: After these deliveries, cities would be forced to fend for themselves throughout the overbearingly cold winter.
[0:26:17 – 0:26:22] Adam: Most destinations had been stocking up on supplies and were prepared.
[0:26:22 – 0:26:23] Adam: So there you go.
[0:26:23 – 0:26:24] Adam: This is 27.
[0:26:25 – 0:26:27] Adam: This is pre roads for a lot of these ports.
[0:26:28 – 0:26:33] Adam: So the Kamloops is bringing in those last provisions to get you through the winter.
[0:26:33 – 0:26:33] Erik: Sure.
[0:26:34 – 0:26:34] Adam: Yeah.
[0:26:34 – 0:26:38] Adam: I don’t know why they include the story about the puppy or why I included it on this show.
[0:26:38 – 0:26:48] Adam: I just liked the story and wish that they gave us more information on the puppy or that somehow the puppy ended up saving them and gotten a rope to a rock at some point.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:50] Erik: Got another mouth to feed now, boys.
[0:26:51 – 0:26:56] Adam: I’m pretty sure that the puppy’s not mentioned again, but, you know, I could be wrong.
[0:26:57 – 0:27:01] Adam: It’s been three weeks since I took these notes, so I could be surprised.
[0:27:02 – 0:27:03] Erik: That’d be fun if you were surprised.
[0:27:04 – 0:27:04] Erik: What?
[0:27:04 – 0:27:05] Erik: Oh, my God.
[0:27:05 – 0:27:06] Erik: The puppy did return.
[0:27:06 – 0:27:07] Erik: The puppy’s name was…
[0:27:12 – 0:27:13] Adam: We’ll think of it.
[0:27:13 – 0:27:13] Adam: Don’t worry.
[0:27:13 – 0:27:15] Adam: We’ll get there.
[0:27:15 – 0:27:19] Adam: They stopped for salt in Courtright, Ontario on December 1st.
[0:27:19 – 0:27:20] Adam: Courtright.
[0:27:20 – 0:27:23] Adam: And went through the Soo Locks on December 3rd.
[0:27:23 – 0:27:29] Adam: An Arctic cold front collided with the ship’s path as soon as they entered Lake Superior.
[0:27:29 – 0:27:30] Adam: That so often happens.
[0:27:30 – 0:27:32] Adam: I don’t know what you’re doing out there in December, though.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:33] Erik: Some kind of a vortex?
[0:27:34 – 0:27:35] Adam: Yeah, it’s nasty.
[0:27:35 – 0:27:36] Adam: It predates the vortex.
[0:27:37 – 0:27:39] Adam: They didn’t even know about vortex back then.
[0:27:39 – 0:27:39] Erik: Nope.
[0:27:40 – 0:27:49] Adam: The wind velocity increased to a gale force, battling around, batting around the Kamloops until Captain Brian reached his decision.
[0:27:49 – 0:27:50] Adam: Captain Brian.
[0:27:51 – 0:27:56] Adam: Of all the captains we’ve had in this series, I think this guy’s got the dumbest captain name for sure.
[0:27:56 – 0:27:57] Adam: That should be the name of the puppy.
[0:27:58 – 0:28:00] Adam: Captain Brian was the name of the puppy, actually.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:02] Adam: He got put in charge immediately.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:06] Adam: Rose through the ranks with lively fashion.
[0:28:06 – 0:28:07] Erik: He’s a good boy.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:08] Adam: He’s a good captain.
[0:28:10 – 0:28:11] Adam: He reached the decision.
[0:28:11 – 0:28:16] Adam: He would seek shelter, drop anchor, and await better sailing conditions.
[0:28:16 – 0:28:17] Adam: This is smart.
[0:28:18 – 0:28:22] Adam: Late fall storms had a history of blowing in and out in fairly short order.
[0:28:22 – 0:28:25] Adam: There was no sense in taking a beating.
[0:28:25 – 0:28:31] Adam: Captain Bryan dropped anchor near Whitefish Point, joining a small fleet of freighters taking shelter there.
[0:28:35 – 0:28:36] Adam: The storm wasn’t going away.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:38] Adam: If anything, it was intensifying.
[0:28:39 – 0:28:44] Adam: The Kamloops spent the better part of two days at anchor before Captain Brian decided to move ahead.
[0:28:44 – 0:28:51] Adam: Why is it so funny that they refer to every other captain by their last name except for Captain Brian?
[0:28:52 – 0:28:53] Adam: Isn’t that his last name?
[0:28:53 – 0:28:53] Adam: That is his last name.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:55] Adam: Bill Brian.
[0:28:55 – 0:28:55] Erik: Right.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:56] Adam: Oh, my God.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:58] Adam: What kind of last name is Brian?
[0:28:58 – 0:29:00] Adam: You can’t trust a guy with two first names.
[0:29:00 – 0:29:04] Erik: That seems like a pretty normal last name, but yeah, you definitely cannot trust somebody with two first names.
[0:29:04 – 0:29:04] Erik: Oh, my God.
[0:29:04 – 0:29:05] Adam: God.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:08] Erik: Unless it’s the name of the dog.
[0:29:09 – 0:29:10] Erik: Captain Brian.
[0:29:10 – 0:29:11] Erik: Or Captain Bill?
[0:29:11 – 0:29:12] Erik: What would be worse?
[0:29:12 – 0:29:14] Erik: I think I prefer Captain Bill.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:15] Adam: Captain Bill.
[0:29:16 – 0:29:21] Adam: He was already well behind schedule and could ill afford to fall further behind.
[0:29:21 – 0:29:29] Adam: For this leg of the journey, the Kamloops had a traveling partner, the 283-foot Quaidoc, bound for Port Arthur.
[0:29:29 – 0:29:44] Adam: The Kamloops trailed the Quaidoc, and though the Kamloops was not equipped with a radio and could not establish contact with the other vessel, the two boats were well aware of each other’s presence and probably felt the reassurance of safety in numbers.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:50] Adam: The storm worsened into one of the most intense on Lake Superior in years.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:51] Adam: Heavy snow fell.
[0:29:52 – 0:29:53] Adam: Temperatures dropped to below zero.
[0:29:54 – 0:30:01] Adam: Those on the lake, and there were many, received unwanted souvenirs from their natural opponent.
[0:30:02 – 0:30:16] Adam: A thick white icing, developing from the freezing waters and spray hitting the decks and deck houses, enveloped the boats, wreaking havoc on hatch covers and adding considerable weight to the vessels.
[0:30:17 – 0:30:22] Adam: The Kamlops and the Kikwidak were two of the affected vessels.
[0:30:26 – 0:30:31] Adam: Captain Roy Simpson of the Quaidoc felt some sense of duty to the boat trailing him.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:42] Adam: Both vessels were bound in the same direction, using the same charts, but the off-again, on-again blizzard snow fell, and heavy seas left both captains uncertain of their exact position.
[0:30:43 – 0:30:48] Adam: Simpson made estimates based on how he felt his course was being altered by the storm.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:51] Adam: and the Kamloops followed his lead.
[0:30:51 – 0:30:57] Adam: It was largely guesswork when the snowfall was so thick that Simpson couldn’t see to the back of his boat.
[0:30:58 – 0:31:02] Adam: Taking soundings under these conditions was almost impossible.
[0:31:06 – 0:31:12] Adam: Yeah, I still can’t get over that the only way they knew how deep it was was they were literally just throwing like a rope overboard with a rock on it.
[0:31:12 – 0:31:14] Erik: Just a stick on a rope.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:43] Adam: ten fathoms like they’re just they’d have no idea they’re just sailing blind in a storm 1927 yeah in the dark in december yeah i just feel like these captain brian and captain simpson are just two wandering souls lost in the unknown pretty much that’s what it sounds like rock lobster captain brian
[0:31:44 – 0:31:46] Erik: It’s me, Captain Brian.
[0:31:46 – 0:31:47] Erik: Captain Brian.
[0:31:52 – 0:32:03] Adam: The two boats soldiered on, each hour bringing them a little closer to their destination, each hour rubbing nerves raw in the respective wheelhouses.
[0:32:04 – 0:32:14] Adam: By late afternoon on December 7th, the two boats, about a quarter mile apart, were in the vicinity of the northeasternmost point of Isle Royale.
[0:32:14 – 0:32:18] Adam: The lake floor topography in the area was unpredictable and treacherous.
[0:32:19 – 0:32:22] Adam: The lake bottom rose and fell suddenly, especially close to the island.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:29] Adam: Captain Simpson knew precisely the danger ahead when his lookout shouted, Rocks!
[0:32:30 – 0:32:30] SPEAKER_00: Rocks!
[0:32:31 – 0:32:32] SPEAKER_00: Rocks dead ahead!
[0:32:34 – 0:32:35] Erik: Land ho.
[0:32:38 – 0:32:40] Adam: Simpson rushed to the wheel and turned hard to starboard.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:44] Adam: The wheel responded, and the quidoc narrowly avoided the rocks.
[0:32:45 – 0:32:49] Adam: But the anxious moments were far from over.
[0:32:50 – 0:32:59] Adam: Simpson could see the Kamloops lights in the dusk, and the boat that had been following him so precisely was now headed towards the same rocks he had just missed.
[0:33:00 – 0:33:02] Adam: He had to warn Captain Brian.
[0:33:03 – 0:33:04] Adam: But how?
[0:33:05 – 0:33:07] Adam: Throw the puppy.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:12] Adam: Neither boat had a radio, and there was no possibility of shouting through the storm.
[0:33:13 – 0:33:16] Adam: Simpson gave his whistle a series of warning blasts.
[0:33:17 – 0:33:19] SPEAKER_00: Toot, toot, toot.
[0:33:20 – 0:33:25] Adam: A standard warning on the lakes, but the Kamloops kept it coming.
[0:33:25 – 0:33:29] Adam: Barring a miracle, this was not going to end well.
[0:33:30 – 0:33:31] Erik: Did it end well?
[0:33:33 – 0:33:36] Adam: What happened in the following minutes will never be known.
[0:33:36 – 0:33:47] Adam: The Quidoc had her own serious concerns from staying out of troughs that might have flipped her over to holding as steady course as possible in the storm to just making it to safety.
[0:33:49 – 0:33:52] Adam: No one saw or heard from the Kamloops again.
[0:33:53 – 0:33:53] Erik: No.
[0:33:55 – 0:33:56] Erik: Never again.
[0:33:56 – 0:33:58] Erik: They tried to warn him with their toots.
[0:33:59 – 0:34:01] Erik: And the puppy and everything went down.
[0:34:01 – 0:34:03] Erik: Brian Bill.
[0:34:03 – 0:34:07] Erik: Thanks for telling us that they were given a puppy and then immediately tell us that the boat sank.
[0:34:08 – 0:34:09] Adam: That’s just cruel.
[0:34:09 – 0:34:11] Erik: Yeah, cruel and unusual.
[0:34:11 – 0:34:12] Erik: Leave that.
[0:34:12 – 0:34:13] Erik: The hogs we can laugh about.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:14] Erik: Please, Schumacher.
[0:34:14 – 0:34:20] Adam: All the hogs, all the canned salmon, we can laugh about all that, but why did you have to kill the puppies, Schumacher?
[0:34:20 – 0:34:21] Erik: We’re too overloaded.
[0:34:21 – 0:34:23] Erik: Throw all the puppies overboard.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:25] Adam: Oh, my God.
[0:34:25 – 0:34:26] Adam: That’s it?
[0:34:26 – 0:34:28] Adam: The Kamloops is just gone?
[0:34:28 – 0:34:36] Adam: The Quidoc reached port, but five vessels were sunk on Lake Superior between December 7th and December 9th that year.
[0:34:36 – 0:34:37] Adam: Jeez.
[0:34:37 – 0:34:38] Adam: Five boats?
[0:34:39 – 0:34:39] Adam: Vessels?
[0:34:39 – 0:34:40] SPEAKER_01: Five vessels.
[0:34:42 – 0:34:51] Adam: Everyone thought the Kamloops had dropped anchor to wait out the storm, but on December 12th, five days after the boat had last been seen, a massive search was begun.
[0:34:52 – 0:34:53] Adam: Nothing turned up.
[0:34:54 – 0:34:55] Adam: They searched until Christmas.
[0:34:55 – 0:34:56] Erik: Five days later?
[0:34:56 – 0:34:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:56 – 0:34:56] Erik: Get to searching.
[0:34:56 – 0:34:58] Erik: I’m sure you’re going to find a whole lot.
[0:34:58 – 0:34:59] Adam: They waited until the 12th.
[0:34:59 – 0:35:00] Adam: They’re like, well, I don’t know.
[0:35:00 – 0:35:01] Adam: Maybe they’re not coming in.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:02] Erik: Well, let’s go look.
[0:35:03 – 0:35:04] Erik: Yeah, maybe they’re just sitting out there.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:06] Erik: No, they’re all dead, including the puppy.
[0:35:07 – 0:35:10] Adam: Five days after the boat was last seen, the search began.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:11] Adam: Nothing turned up.
[0:35:12 – 0:35:17] Adam: They searched until Christmas, and the boat was declared lost with all hands.
[0:35:18 – 0:35:23] Adam: The lake around Isle Royale froze in the new year, and the Kamloops was declared a ghost ship.
[0:35:24 – 0:35:25] Adam: There you go.
[0:35:26 – 0:35:28] Erik: Not a death ship, though.
[0:35:28 – 0:35:29] Adam: Not a death ship.
[0:35:29 – 0:35:30] Adam: Just a ghost ship.
[0:35:30 – 0:35:31] Adam: The levers aren’t moving by themselves.
[0:35:32 – 0:35:33] Erik: Hmm.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:39] Adam: They’re not… What else happened?
[0:35:39 – 0:35:47] Erik: They’re not water torturing a man somehow through ghosts, Nazi ghosts intentions.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:51] Adam: They’re not doing that at all.
[0:35:51 – 0:35:51] Adam: Hmm.
[0:35:52 – 0:36:00] Adam: On May 26th, after the ice on the lake had melted and spring weather was settling on the northern portion of Lake Superior.
[0:36:00 – 0:36:01] Erik: May 26th.
[0:36:01 – 0:36:02] Erik: My God.
[0:36:02 – 0:36:03] Erik: I love it.
[0:36:03 – 0:36:04] Erik: I just love it up here.
[0:36:05 – 0:36:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:05 – 0:36:06] Erik: May 26th.
[0:36:06 – 0:36:07] Erik: The ice is finally out.
[0:36:08 – 0:36:10] Erik: Enjoy your three months of open water, boys.
[0:36:11 – 0:36:12] Erik: Get to swimming.
[0:36:12 – 0:36:13] Adam: Work on that tan.
[0:36:13 – 0:36:16] Erik: Swim now or never swim ever again.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:23] Adam: Yeah, a fisherman named David Lind made a surprising discovery.
[0:36:23 – 0:36:30] Adam: Lind was retrieving his nets when he came upon two bodies, both wearing Kamloops life preservers.
[0:36:30 – 0:36:35] Adam: The remains were located near 12 o’clock point on the northwest coast of Isle Royale.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:40] Erik: That’s what you get for wearing 1920s era life preservers, apparently.
[0:36:47 – 0:36:50] Adam: Yeah, they didn’t really help you float at all.
[0:36:51 – 0:36:52] Adam: These are dragging me to the bottom.
[0:36:59 – 0:36:59] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:37:00 – 0:37:01] Adam: I think I was supposed to stop there.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:02] Erik: Oh, okay.
[0:37:03 – 0:37:04] Adam: I’ve read too much.
[0:37:05 – 0:37:05] Erik: Is that it?
[0:37:06 – 0:37:07] Erik: We found some bodies.
[0:37:08 – 0:37:09] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:37:10 – 0:37:13] Erik: Just don’t ever tell me that a puppy was found.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:19] Erik: Or if you do, it was alive and living its best life in Thunder Bay.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:24] Erik: It’s running a pierogi shop now.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:28] Erik: Captain Brian’s Pierogis.
[0:37:29 – 0:37:32] Adam: They’re the best pierogis in the Twin Ports.
[0:37:35 – 0:37:35] Adam: Um…
[0:37:38 – 0:37:38] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:37:39 – 0:37:41] Adam: I’m not clear on where I’m supposed to read to.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:42] Adam: I’m going to read a little bit more.
[0:37:42 – 0:37:44] Adam: All right.
[0:37:44 – 0:37:45] Adam: Just to make sure we covered it.
[0:37:46 – 0:37:50] Adam: My note system is pretty precise and usually it works out just fine.
[0:37:50 – 0:37:56] Adam: But yeah, clearly the missing week here has thrown me off because I’m not as fresh as I would like to be on these notes.
[0:37:57 – 0:37:58] Erik: Well, blame the children again.
[0:37:58 – 0:37:59] Adam: Thanks a lot, children.
[0:37:59 – 0:38:01] Adam: You should have let me sleep.
[0:38:05 – 0:38:14] Adam: Yeah, a Coast Guard cutter named the Crawford hurried to where the two victims had been located and with the help from other small vessels scanned the many rocks and crannies in the area.
[0:38:14 – 0:38:30] Adam: They found wreckage freed by the melting ice, including life rings, a battered portion of the pilot house roof, hatch covers, a variety of cargo, half a lifeboat, oars, personal effects, including Captain Brian’s trunk filled with puppies.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:32] Erik: It’s a chock full of dogs.
[0:38:35 – 0:38:40] Adam: On June 4th, fishermen found six more bodies, all badly decomposed, on or near the island.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:41] Adam: There we go.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:42] Adam: That’s where it was supposed to end.
[0:38:43 – 0:38:43] Erik: Wow.
[0:38:43 – 0:38:43] Erik: Gruesome.
[0:38:44 – 0:38:44] Adam: Gruesome.
[0:38:45 – 0:38:45] Adam: Not good.
[0:38:45 – 0:38:52] Adam: So they all got frozen, and it’s not looking good for anybody, including the puppy or Captain Brian.
[0:38:52 – 0:38:55] Erik: Oh, five months on, it’s not looking good for them?
[0:38:55 – 0:38:58] Erik: I don’t think they’re going to make it.
[0:38:58 – 0:39:00] Erik: It’s not a touch-and-go situation?
[0:39:01 – 0:39:01] Erik: Not at all.
[0:39:01 – 0:39:02] Erik: For sure gone?
[0:39:03 – 0:39:04] Erik: Not at all.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:12] Adam: Nearly 60 years would pass until the ship was actually found by divers.
[0:39:12 – 0:39:21] Adam: In December of 1928, Louis Coutu was trapping in a remote area near the Agua River, just north of Sault Ste.
[0:39:21 – 0:39:25] Adam: Marie, when he found a bottle with a handwritten note inside.
[0:39:28 – 0:39:29] Adam: You ever hear about this one?
[0:39:31 – 0:39:31] Erik: What?
[0:39:31 – 0:39:33] Adam: Is this ringing a bell yet for you?
[0:39:33 – 0:39:33] Erik: No, what?
[0:39:33 – 0:39:34] Erik: Notes in bottles?
[0:39:34 – 0:39:34] Erik: Yes.
[0:39:36 – 0:39:39] Adam: The letter’s contents told a brief, heartbreaking tale.
[0:39:42 – 0:39:47] Adam: I am the last one left alive, freezing and starving to death on Isle Royale in Lake Superior.
[0:39:47 – 0:39:51] Adam: I just want Mom and Dad to know my fate.
[0:39:54 – 0:40:03] Adam: The note was written by Alice Betridge, the Kamloops’ 23-year-old assistant stewardess who, indeed, had perished on the island.
[0:40:04 – 0:40:10] Adam: Her body had been recovered on the beach on June 4, 1928, and returned to Ontario for burial.
[0:40:11 – 0:40:11] Erik: P.S.
[0:40:11 – 0:40:12] Erik: I had to eat a puppy.
[0:40:15 – 0:40:18] Adam: She and Nettie Grafton had been the two women crew members.
[0:40:18 – 0:40:19] Erik: Nettie Grafton?
[0:40:20 – 0:40:33] Adam: Nettie Grafton had been the two women crew members on board the Kamloops at the time of the sinking, and Betridge was in such condition when she was discovered that the only way to positively identify her was by her teeth.
[0:40:34 – 0:40:39] Adam: Grafton had false teeth, and the woman found on the island had all her natural teeth.
[0:40:41 – 0:40:41] Erik: Wait, what?
[0:40:41 – 0:40:42] Erik: What does that mean?
[0:40:43 – 0:40:47] Adam: There’s two women on the boat, and they found one of them on the island back in 28.
[0:40:48 – 0:40:51] Adam: But she had real teeth, and the other one, Nettie, had fake teeth.
[0:40:52 – 0:40:57] Adam: So they knew it was the lady who had written the message in the bottle.
[0:40:57 – 0:40:59] Erik: They had dental records back then?
[0:41:00 – 0:41:03] Adam: Yeah, I remember last week, they were like, we don’t even know who’s on this boat.
[0:41:03 – 0:41:05] Adam: It was just because they were fake teeth.
[0:41:05 – 0:41:07] Adam: I think that’s all they’re saying, yeah.
[0:41:11 – 0:41:33] Adam: yeah in december 1928 yeah they found the message in the bottle the wreck was eventually found in the summer of 1977 and uh yeah i don’t know do you imagine actually finding a message in a bottle um i mean how many messages in a bottle have successfully been sent and received
[0:41:34 – 0:41:39] Erik: Yeah, I guess it depends on what your definition of success is in that regard.
[0:41:39 – 0:41:42] Erik: You got the word out.
[0:41:42 – 0:41:43] Adam: Mom and dad got the message, I guess.
[0:41:45 – 0:41:45] Adam: Maybe.
[0:41:45 – 0:41:46] Adam: Well, I guess.
[0:41:47 – 0:41:48] Adam: It went down in 27.
[0:41:48 – 0:41:51] Adam: The message in the bottle was found completely on the other side of the lake, too.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:52] Adam: That’s crazy.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:52] Adam: Over at Sault Ste.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:52] Adam: Marie.
[0:41:53 – 0:41:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:54 – 0:41:56] Adam: By some guy trapping.
[0:41:57 – 0:41:58] Adam: Found that message in the bottle.
[0:41:59 – 0:41:59] Erik: Just a year later?
[0:42:00 – 0:42:01] Adam: They did talk about it.
[0:42:01 – 0:42:04] Adam: The guy was like, I’m not even sure I should tell anybody I found this.
[0:42:05 – 0:42:07] Adam: But there’s something like he read in the news reports.
[0:42:08 – 0:42:10] Erik: The hell else was he going to do?
[0:42:10 – 0:42:11] Adam: Take it to his grave?
[0:42:11 – 0:42:13] Adam: They didn’t think it was legit at first.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:20] Adam: And it was only because of certain details that they were able to ascertain that this was legit.
[0:42:21 – 0:42:22] Erik: How long have hoaxes been a thing?
[0:42:22 – 0:42:24] Adam: Somebody’s hoaxing a message in a bottle?
[0:42:24 – 0:42:25] Adam: You’ve got to be a sick bastard.
[0:42:25 – 0:42:26] Erik: We should do that, actually.
[0:42:26 – 0:42:27] Erik: We should start pitching.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:31] Erik: Before the end of the year, we should just throw a bunch of mystery bottles out into the lake.
[0:42:32 – 0:42:34] Erik: Goodbye, Papa.
[0:42:35 – 0:42:37] Erik: I tried surviving, but I can’t.
[0:42:37 – 0:42:47] Erik: Just insane notes in bottles and see where they end up and see if anybody ends up finding them and then track what they decide to do with those bottles.
[0:42:47 – 0:42:54] Adam: When you were a kid, did you ever attach a message to a balloon and send it and be like, if you find this, write to me.
[0:42:55 – 0:42:56] Erik: No, I never did any of that.
[0:42:56 – 0:42:56] Adam: My name is Papa.
[0:42:57 – 0:42:58] Adam: My name is Captain Bill.
[0:42:59 – 0:43:25] Erik: my name is papa my name is papa bill and i want you to write to me about my puppy i think i was forced to do like the pen pal thing you know with like also probably unwilling children from mongolia or something back when i was in like well i don’t know i wasn’t super willing myself but you know it was one of those things was like your sister school all children are unwilling accomplices pretty much to anything writing campaigns but i never did the message in a bottle no
[0:43:28 – 0:43:35] Adam: In subsequent dives that fall and the following summer, the men made a positive identification of the Kamloops and were able to explore the wreck.
[0:43:36 – 0:43:37] Adam: This is the 70s now?
[0:43:38 – 0:43:38] Adam: 77.
[0:43:38 – 0:43:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:43:40 – 0:43:45] Adam: The name Kamloops, partially obscured by rust and time, peeked out of the murky darkness.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:52] Adam: On board, the Kamloops cargo, including cases of Lifesavers candy, scattered from the boat’s collision with the lake bottom.
[0:43:53 – 0:43:55] Adam: looked as if it was awaiting unloading.
[0:43:56 – 0:44:03] Adam: Inside the engine room, one unfortunate victim, in a sitting position pinned beneath the wreckage, offered a ghostly presence.
[0:44:05 – 0:44:20] Adam: Given the amount of time that had passed between the boat’s sinking and its discovery, the crewman was in remarkably good condition, with his chalky skin caused by submersion in water, the only true sign that he had been there for any length of time.
[0:44:21 – 0:44:27] Adam: Divers, frightened by the apparition, claimed his spirit followed them throughout their exploration of the boat.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:34] Adam: Others found him benevolent, nicknaming him Old Whitey.
[0:44:36 – 0:44:43] Adam: How and why the Kamloops sank will never be definitively explained, nor, because of her depth, will she be heavily explored.
[0:44:44 – 0:44:45] Adam: Perhaps this is for the best.
[0:44:46 – 0:44:49] Adam: Some questions should remain unanswered.
[0:44:50 – 0:44:53] Adam: The lake, it would seem, demands its secrets.
[0:44:54 – 0:44:56] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:44:56 – 0:45:02] Erik: Do some questions demand to be not answered?
[0:45:02 – 0:45:06] Adam: Looks like they hit the rocks and went out to the deep water and sank.
[0:45:06 – 0:45:08] Erik: It seems like they probably just dashed into those rocks.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:14] Adam: Some people made it to the island and nobody came to rescue them because they just gave up.
[0:45:15 – 0:45:17] Adam: They didn’t even look for them for a week.
[0:45:17 – 0:45:20] Adam: And then when they went and looked for them, they’re like, I don’t know.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:20] Adam: I don’t see anything.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:21] Adam: I suppose we should go back.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:23] Erik: Well, it’s winter now.
[0:45:23 – 0:45:25] Erik: It’s going to be five months until we can do anything else.
[0:45:26 – 0:45:29] Erik: Message in a bottle.
[0:45:30 – 0:45:33] Adam: You don’t have a radio in 1927?
[0:45:34 – 0:45:35] Adam: I’m pretty sure they have radios.
[0:45:37 – 0:45:38] Adam: They didn’t have one, though.
[0:45:38 – 0:45:41] Adam: They were just like, we’ll follow that boat in a storm.
[0:45:42 – 0:45:43] Adam: What could go wrong?
[0:45:43 – 0:45:57] Erik: I have no idea what time frame for radios is, but it still kind of seems like maybe advanced technology for boats like that to have radios that work really well.
[0:45:58 – 0:46:02] Erik: I know radios probably existed in terms of, you know, on land.
[0:46:03 – 0:46:05] Erik: Obviously, radio, I think, existed.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:12] Erik: But, like, communication between, like, two floating boats on a lake?
[0:46:13 – 0:46:13] Erik: Maybe.
[0:46:13 – 0:46:16] Adam: This is called CB radios, man.
[0:46:16 – 0:46:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:17 – 0:46:18] Adam: They didn’t have that.
[0:46:19 – 0:46:20] Erik: When was that invented, even, though, really?
[0:46:20 – 0:46:21] Erik: Trucker talk.
[0:46:22 – 0:46:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:22 – 0:46:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:24 – 0:46:25] Adam: Captain Brian.
[0:46:25 – 0:46:26] Adam: Captain Brian was on the horn.
[0:46:27 – 0:46:29] Adam: He’s got his puppy riding shotgun.
[0:46:31 – 0:46:36] Adam: So yeah, as far as I can remember, and I don’t have anything in the notes, that’s the end of the Kamloops chapter.
[0:46:36 – 0:46:37] Adam: Okay.
[0:46:37 – 0:46:38] Adam: They never mentioned the puppy again.
[0:46:39 – 0:46:40] Erik: Well, I’m glad they brought it up then.
[0:46:41 – 0:46:42] Adam: Shame on you, Schumacher.
[0:46:42 – 0:46:43] Adam: Shame on you.
[0:46:43 – 0:46:45] Adam: This is my only real gripe about your entire catalog.
[0:46:45 – 0:46:46] Erik: For bringing up the puppy.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:49] Adam: Why did you have to bring up Captain Brian’s puppy?
[0:46:50 – 0:46:51] Adam: Why is his name Bill Brian?
[0:46:51 – 0:47:00] Erik: Unless there was another mention of like the only thing keeping me warm right now is this little puppy in the message in the bottle.
[0:47:00 – 0:47:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:47:00 – 0:47:01] Erik: Like…
[0:47:01 – 0:47:02] Erik: You can’t, you know, check off.
[0:47:02 – 0:47:05] Adam: The message in the bottle was written by the puppy.
[0:47:05 – 0:47:07] Erik: You showed the puppy in the first act.
[0:47:07 – 0:47:08] Erik: It has to come back in the third.
[0:47:08 – 0:47:09] Erik: I know.
[0:47:09 – 0:47:10] Erik: What are you doing?
[0:47:10 – 0:47:11] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:47:11 – 0:47:11] Adam: What are you thinking?
[0:47:12 – 0:47:13] Erik: Why even mention it?
[0:47:13 – 0:47:14] Erik: I got to write something.
[0:47:14 – 0:47:15] Erik: I have to put words on paper.
[0:47:15 – 0:47:17] Erik: I have to make a book.
[0:47:17 – 0:47:20] Erik: I’m sure that’s what Schumacher is saying right now, his retort thing.
[0:47:21 – 0:47:23] Erik: I was just trying to show that people love the Kamloops.
[0:47:23 – 0:47:27] Erik: I’m just trying to show that even in 1927, people loved puppies.
[0:47:28 – 0:47:32] Adam: I don’t know that people are just giving out puppies anymore like that either.
[0:47:32 – 0:47:33] Adam: Yeah, have a puppy.
[0:47:34 – 0:47:39] Adam: This is like a Lewis and Clark thing or Captain Bill Bryan kind of thing.
[0:47:39 – 0:47:45] Adam: Nobody’s just like, hey, as a show of my own appreciation for you.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:46] Adam: We should bring that back.
[0:47:46 – 0:47:46] Adam: Have a puppy.
[0:47:47 – 0:47:48] Erik: I’m going to start giving out puppies.
[0:47:49 – 0:47:50] Adam: What about like a tiny goat?
[0:47:51 – 0:47:52] Erik: Here’s a 12-year burden.
[0:47:53 – 0:47:53] Erik: It might work out.
[0:47:54 – 0:47:55] Adam: It’s a blessing.
[0:47:55 – 0:47:56] Adam: It might not.
[0:47:56 – 0:47:56] Adam: It might not.
[0:47:57 – 0:47:57] Adam: It probably won’t.
[0:47:58 – 0:47:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:59 – 0:48:00] Adam: Oh, boy.
[0:48:01 – 0:48:04] Adam: So many shipwrecks on this island.
[0:48:05 – 0:48:05] Erik: Isle Royale.
[0:48:06 – 0:48:07] Erik: It’s a real dagger.
[0:48:07 – 0:48:13] Adam: I would say here’s another criticism of the book, and it was in this last chapter, too.
[0:48:13 – 0:48:18] Adam: It was like literally, I feel like it’s every five paragraphs, Schumacher’s like,
[0:48:19 – 0:48:23] Adam: Oh, the lake bottom comes up from real shallow to real deep real quick around this island.
[0:48:23 – 0:48:25] Adam: The bottom is treacherous.
[0:48:25 – 0:48:27] Adam: Like, yeah, it’s an island.
[0:48:27 – 0:48:29] Erik: Yeah, that’s what islands do.
[0:48:30 – 0:48:31] Adam: We get it.
[0:48:31 – 0:48:33] Adam: The bottom is treacherous.
[0:48:33 – 0:48:35] Adam: You don’t have to keep explaining to us like we’re idiots.
[0:48:36 – 0:48:36] Erik: Jagged.
[0:48:36 – 0:48:37] Erik: It’s rock-like.
[0:48:37 – 0:48:38] Erik: Yeah, all right.
[0:48:38 – 0:48:38] Adam: We got it.
[0:48:40 – 0:48:42] Adam: Otherwise, I did like this book.
[0:48:42 – 0:48:43] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:48:43 – 0:48:44] Adam: I like this book a lot.
[0:48:45 – 0:48:45] Adam: Obviously…
[0:48:48 – 0:48:50] Adam: I’m just sad it’s over, I guess.
[0:48:51 – 0:48:51] Erik: Is it over?
[0:48:52 – 0:48:54] Adam: I finished the book, yeah.
[0:48:54 – 0:48:55] Adam: I’m returning this to the library.
[0:48:55 – 0:48:56] Erik: We’re done, though, with the book?
[0:48:56 – 0:48:57] Erik: Is that what you’re saying?
[0:48:57 – 0:48:59] Adam: No, I have two more stories to tell.
[0:48:59 – 0:49:00] Adam: Oh, two more.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:01] Erik: Oh, my God.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:06] Adam: I have to take a break right now to go outside and ascertain the position of the stars.
[0:49:07 – 0:49:07] Adam: Okay.
[0:49:07 – 0:49:09] Adam: And then we’ll get into the tale of the America.
[0:49:09 – 0:49:10] Erik: Sex tent.
[0:49:11 – 0:49:13] Erik: You got to set up your natural sex tent.
[0:49:13 – 0:49:16] Adam: Yeah, I’m going to position it on the chart.
[0:49:18 – 0:49:25] Adam: The America was sunk on June 7, 1928, in Washington Harbor, Isle Royale.
[0:49:27 – 0:49:37] Adam: Back in the days when bulk freighters dominated the Great Lakes shipping commerce, diminutive workhorse vessels serviced the small regional ports in any given area.
[0:49:38 – 0:49:44] Adam: They hauled smaller loads, brought much-needed supplies, and acted as lifelines between towns and cities.
[0:49:45 – 0:49:48] Adam: These boats ran regularly scheduled routes.
[0:49:48 – 0:49:52] Adam: Their captains and crews were familiar and highly regarded figures.
[0:49:53 – 0:50:01] Adam: These were known as package freighters, and their connection to the post they served became, in many instances, a part of the town’s folklore or history.
[0:50:02 – 0:50:12] Adam: Such was the case with the America, a boat that made regular rounds between Duluth, Isle Royale, and Thunder Bay from 1902 until its demise in 1928.
[0:50:14 – 0:50:18] Adam: The speedy little boat provided two additional valuable services.
[0:50:18 – 0:50:23] Adam: She carried passengers to and from Isle Royale and delivered mail to the island’s sparse population.
[0:50:25 – 0:50:34] Adam: Ellie Connolly, whose grandfather built a cabin on the island in 1914, recalled the congenial atmosphere created by the boat’s arrival.
[0:50:35 – 0:50:40] Adam: Boat day was huge because people were coming and going, she said.
[0:50:41 – 0:50:48] Adam: There was regular visitors, people looked forward to seeing, and, of course, the mail and the supplies.
[0:50:48 – 0:50:54] Adam: He’d go down there and meet everybody and say, Okay, come over for cards on Wednesday.
[0:50:56 – 0:51:08] Adam: When the America’s work came to a shockingly sudden and unexpected end, the Fort William Daily Times Journal published a warm summation that described her value to the community.
[0:51:10 – 0:51:24] Adam: It was the America which did the local routine work along the North Shore, poking her nose into every little harbor on the coastline and keeping communication between the mainland and Isle Royale uninterrupted.
[0:51:27 – 0:51:28] Erik: Good.
[0:51:28 – 0:51:28] Adam: Boat day.
[0:51:29 – 0:51:30] Adam: Boat day.
[0:51:30 – 0:51:31] Adam: It’s boat day.
[0:51:31 – 0:51:32] Adam: Here comes the America.
[0:51:32 – 0:51:35] Erik: Go down and get your mail, your Cracker Jacks.
[0:51:36 – 0:51:37] Adam: 165 footer.
[0:51:37 – 0:51:39] Adam: It was a small and speedy boat.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:42] Adam: I never understand this.
[0:51:42 – 0:51:46] Adam: It’s 165 feet, but it is a 681 ton boat.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:48] Adam: That’s what it can carry?
[0:51:49 – 0:51:50] Erik: I don’t know what ton.
[0:51:50 – 0:51:52] Erik: I don’t know what these tonnages.
[0:51:52 – 0:51:53] Erik: I don’t know what it means.
[0:51:53 – 0:51:54] Erik: It’s like acres for me.
[0:51:54 – 0:51:55] Erik: I have no idea.
[0:51:56 – 0:51:56] Erik: It could be a lot.
[0:51:57 – 0:51:57] Erik: It could be a little.
[0:51:57 – 0:51:58] Erik: I have no idea.
[0:51:58 – 0:52:02] Adam: Apparently, though, for a speedy little boat, it could carry up to 1,200 passengers.
[0:52:05 – 0:52:10] Adam: 49 staterooms, quote, one of the fastest, smoothest rides on the lake.
[0:52:10 – 0:52:10] Adam: Dang.
[0:52:11 – 0:52:19] Adam: In response to improved roadway along the North Shore, the America was lengthened in 1911 and increased its cargo capacity by another 100 tons.
[0:52:21 – 0:52:21] Erik: Wow.
[0:52:22 – 0:52:24] Erik: They split it and lengthened it.
[0:52:24 – 0:52:25] Adam: Split it the long way.
[0:52:27 – 0:52:28] Adam: Add a couple more tons in there.
[0:52:28 – 0:52:29] Adam: We got some pictures for you.
[0:52:29 – 0:52:30] Adam: You want to see here?
[0:52:30 – 0:52:30] Adam: Yeah.
[0:52:30 – 0:52:34] Adam: Look at that butte coming out of Duluth.
[0:52:34 – 0:52:34] Adam: Nice.
[0:52:35 – 0:52:37] Adam: It’s in some woods over here.
[0:52:37 – 0:52:38] Adam: Speedy.
[0:52:38 – 0:52:39] Adam: Looks speedy.
[0:52:40 – 0:52:42] Adam: That was a real speedy boat.
[0:52:46 – 0:52:53] Adam: The America rightfully attained the reputation of being the first boat out in the spring and the last to sail in the late fall.
[0:52:53 – 0:53:03] Adam: When Jacob Frederick Hector, the boat’s longstanding captain, died in 1910, Edward Indian Smith, his first mate, took command.
[0:53:04 – 0:53:05] Adam: Unfortunate name.
[0:53:06 – 0:53:06] Adam: It’s in quotes.
[0:53:07 – 0:53:17] Adam: His knowledge of the lake, and particularly the waters of his vessel’s route, was so extensive that it was said he could, quote, smell his way along the North Shore.
[0:53:18 – 0:53:20] Erik: I just sniffed my way down the shore.
[0:53:21 – 0:53:26] Adam: Captain Smith can sniff his way.
[0:53:26 – 0:53:33] Adam: June 7th, 1928, the America was on its customary route and had sailed from Grand Marais
[0:53:33 – 0:53:44] Adam: to Washington Harbor on Isle Royale, where Captain Smith turned over command to his first mate, John Wick, and retired to his cabin for a rest.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:45] Erik: Wow.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:47] Erik: Did John Wick have a puppy?
[0:53:47 – 0:53:49] Adam: He did, and he’s mad about it.
[0:53:49 – 0:53:49] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:53:50 – 0:53:52] Adam: You can’t treat my puppy like that.
[0:53:52 – 0:53:53] Adam: That’s what he said.
[0:53:54 – 0:53:54] Adam: Verbatim.
[0:54:00 – 0:54:02] Adam: I haven’t seen the John Wick movies.
[0:54:02 – 0:54:02] Adam: Are they any good?
[0:54:04 – 0:54:05] Adam: Do they do it justice?
[0:54:06 – 0:54:07] Adam: Do they do it justice to this story?
[0:54:08 – 0:54:08] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:09 – 0:54:12] Adam: They take it to a whole other level.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:26] Adam: Five minutes after Captain Smith turned over the pilot house to his first mate, the America ran aground, hitting bottom on a reef four times and tearing a hole in the boat’s single steel bottom.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:27] Adam: Four times?
[0:54:27 – 0:54:28] Erik: What is this, family guy?
[0:54:30 – 0:54:32] Erik: Just backing up and slamming into it again.
[0:54:33 – 0:54:46] Adam: Hearing the collision with the reef and Wick’s frantic ringing of the bell to warn all on board of impending doom, Smith rushed to the wheelhouse for an appraisal of what had happened and to survey the damage to the vessel.
[0:54:47 – 0:54:51] Adam: The pumps were working, but they could not handle the water gushing into the boat.
[0:54:53 – 0:54:53] Adam: “‘Beacher!
[0:54:54 – 0:54:54] Adam: Beacher!’
[0:54:54 – 0:54:57] Adam: Smith ordered wheelsman Fred Nelson.
[0:54:58 – 0:55:06] Adam: Smith aimed to beach the America on a small gravel beach nearby, saving his vessel from sinking, but there was too much working against him.
[0:55:07 – 0:55:14] Adam: Water continued to flood the stern of the boat, making her prey for the rising topography of the lake bottom.
[0:55:15 – 0:55:20] Adam: The America hit bottom again about 30 yards from the beach,
[0:55:21 – 0:55:26] Adam: and the small freighter ground to a halt on a sloping shelf of submerged land.
[0:55:26 – 0:55:31] Adam: The boat’s sinking was evident, but there was no panic amongst the passengers and crew.
[0:55:33 – 0:55:37] Adam: The boat started sinking slowly, Nelson told the Duluth News Tribune.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:40] Adam: All five of the ship’s lifeboats were launched.
[0:55:40 – 0:55:46] Adam: Members of the crew were assigned to take charge of these boats, and everyone was taken off.
[0:55:47 – 0:55:49] Adam: There was no confusion while the lifeboats were being lowered.
[0:55:50 – 0:55:53] Adam: Everybody behaved wonderfully.
[0:55:53 – 0:55:54] Erik: And they all survived?
[0:55:56 – 0:55:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:56 – 0:55:57] Erik: Wow.
[0:55:59 – 0:56:07] Erik: Sort of like the opposite of the whole, like, captain turning it over to, like, the first mate or whatever.
[0:56:07 – 0:56:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:08 – 0:56:11] Erik: Gave me, like, the Air France, like, 4.75s.
[0:56:11 – 0:56:12] Erik: He went to, like, take a nap.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:13 – 0:56:14] Erik: And then he comes back in, and it’s too late.
[0:56:14 – 0:56:17] Adam: All you got to do is not just fly it straight in the ocean.
[0:56:18 – 0:56:22] Erik: All you got to do is just not pull back on the… Don’t stall this thing.
[0:56:22 – 0:56:23] Erik: The stick.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:26] Erik: Just don’t… Just stop… What are you… You’re pulling back?
[0:56:26 – 0:56:26] Erik: What are you…
[0:56:27 – 0:56:29] Adam: At least you can’t stall a boat.
[0:56:29 – 0:56:31] Erik: At least in this situation, everybody survived.
[0:56:31 – 0:56:33] Adam: Yeah, you can’t stall a boat.
[0:56:33 – 0:56:34] Adam: It’s too late.
[0:56:34 – 0:56:38] Adam: Yeah, 31 crew and 10 passengers all did survive.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:39] Adam: The boat did not though.
[0:56:39 – 0:56:44] Adam: The boat did not, and unfortunately, one pet dog went down with the ship.
[0:56:44 – 0:56:46] Adam: Of course.
[0:56:46 – 0:56:46] Adam: Quote.
[0:56:47 – 0:56:48] Adam: I think Schumacher’s anti-dog.
[0:56:48 – 0:56:50] Adam: The pet dog was tied to the stern.
[0:56:51 – 0:56:52] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:56:52 – 0:56:54] Adam: Why wouldn’t you tie your dog to the stern?
[0:56:55 – 0:56:56] Erik: Where’s he going to go?
[0:56:56 – 0:56:58] Adam: You’re not going to get loose and run off.
[0:56:58 – 0:56:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:01] Adam: This is why you camp on an island when you have a dog.
[0:57:02 – 0:57:03] Adam: They can’t run away from you.
[0:57:05 – 0:57:15] Adam: First mate John Wick was cited for careless navigation and a large buoy was placed near the wreck to warn other vessels because it was in very shallow water.
[0:57:16 – 0:57:17] Adam: I have a picture to show you.
[0:57:18 – 0:57:19] Adam: I do.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:21] Adam: Uh, that’s not the one.
[0:57:22 – 0:57:23] Adam: No, this is one.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:23] Adam: You can see this one.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:24] Adam: This is the one that sounded like the…
[0:57:25 – 0:57:28] Adam: So, yeah, they tried to ground it on that beach, but it didn’t quite get there.
[0:57:29 – 0:57:30] Adam: These beaches are too steep.
[0:57:31 – 0:57:31] Adam: Look at this thing.
[0:57:31 – 0:57:33] Erik: Yeah, there’s no beaches out in Iowa.
[0:57:33 – 0:57:35] Adam: You mean believing 1,200 people can fit on this boat?
[0:57:36 – 0:58:01] Adam: yeah it’s stacked up like cordwood maybe yeah this is the one i wanted to show you that one’s creepy is yeah they got the buoy on there and like a diver in there and i don’t like that one i’m gonna take a picture of this and put it on the like it i’ll put this on the subreddit nobody likes that picture you’re gonna post that one on the subreddit with the tumbleweeds yeah i’m gonna do it yeah
[0:58:04 – 0:58:10] Adam: The bow of the boat remained above the waterline until the ice melted away from the hull in the spring of 1930.
[0:58:10 – 0:58:16] Adam: It now rests just four feet below the surface, which is why there’s a buoy there.
[0:58:16 – 0:58:17] Adam: That’s a little too close to the surface.
[0:58:18 – 0:58:19] Adam: Yeah, you got to put a buoy.
[0:58:19 – 0:58:21] Erik: Just get down there and cut that top off.
[0:58:21 – 0:58:22] Adam: Just shave the top off.
[0:58:22 – 0:58:30] Adam: The ship being in such shallow water and so dear to so many people along the North Shore kept salvaging efforts alive for many, many years.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:41] Adam: Captain Cornelius O. Flynn bought the ship, but neither he nor his son Paul ever managed to refloat the iconic boat.
[0:58:41 – 0:58:44] Adam: You ever think about buying a sunk ship?
[0:58:45 – 0:58:48] Adam: You know what would be a good use of our resources and money?
[0:58:48 – 0:58:50] Adam: Fill it with balloons and try to surface it?
[0:58:51 – 0:58:51] Adam: Well, that’s salvaging.
[0:58:52 – 0:58:56] Adam: I mean, they do that all the time, but can you just imagine being like, oh, I’ll buy that boat.
[0:58:56 – 0:58:57] Adam: It’s at the bottom of the lake.
[0:58:57 – 0:58:59] Erik: It’s at the bottom of the body of water, but yeah, sure.
[0:59:00 – 0:59:01] Adam: He didn’t get it out of there.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:04] Adam: His son, for years, tried to get it, too.
[0:59:04 – 0:59:07] Adam: His son, Paul, inherited the sunken boat.
[0:59:08 – 0:59:14] Erik: Can you imagine A, buying a sunken boat, and then B, putting it in your will so your son Paul inherits it?
[0:59:14 – 0:59:22] Erik: Yeah, I’m struggling with the idea of being bequeathed a closet full of baseball cards that my dad thinks is worth a lot of money.
[0:59:22 – 0:59:22] Erik: They are worth a lot.
[0:59:22 – 0:59:26] Erik: I couldn’t imagine being like, all right, son, here’s your inheritance.
[0:59:27 – 0:59:28] Erik: It’s a ship.
[0:59:28 – 0:59:29] Erik: Oh, my God, a ship?
[0:59:30 – 0:59:30] Erik: Where is it?
[0:59:31 – 0:59:32] Adam: The bottom of Lake Superior.
[0:59:33 – 0:59:33] Erik: Well, no.
[0:59:33 – 0:59:36] Adam: You just got to get some bigger balloons and some chains.
[0:59:36 – 0:59:37] Erik: And then what?
[0:59:37 – 0:59:40] Adam: Well, then you got to get a work on it.
[0:59:40 – 0:59:40] Adam: Glue it together.
[0:59:40 – 0:59:45] Erik: You got to start scraping and scraping and scraping even more.
[0:59:45 – 0:59:47] Adam: Then you can haul small parcels.
[0:59:49 – 0:59:49] Adam: And passengers.
[0:59:50 – 0:59:51] Adam: It’s 1986.
[0:59:52 – 0:59:53] Erik: I don’t need a…
[0:59:53 – 0:59:55] Erik: This boat serves no purpose anymore.
[0:59:56 – 0:59:58] Erik: There’s got to be some copper in it, though, right?
[0:59:58 – 0:59:59] Erik: No, no copper.
[0:59:59 – 1:00:01] Adam: There’s nothing of value in it.
[1:00:02 – 1:00:06] Adam: I can’t believe the guy’s name is Cornelius O’Flynn, and then he named his son Paul.
[1:00:07 – 1:00:08] Adam: Cornelius.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:17] Adam: Another rich guy bought the wreckage rights from Paul and tried again in 1965 to float the boat, but also failed.
[1:00:17 – 1:00:19] Erik: Sell the rights to the boat?
[1:00:19 – 1:00:22] Adam: By then, sport divers… Yeah, Paul was lucky to get anything for it.
[1:00:23 – 1:00:26] Adam: By then, sport divers had looted anything of value anyways.
[1:00:27 – 1:00:35] Adam: For some reason, the salvage team had tried using dynamite, and that put another bigger hole in the boat near the keel.
[1:00:35 – 1:00:36] Erik: That’s a good move.
[1:00:37 – 1:00:38] Adam: Blow it up underwater.
[1:00:38 – 1:00:41] Adam: Yeah, what we should do is blow another hole in it.
[1:00:41 – 1:00:42] Adam: Blow it to smithereens, they said.
[1:00:43 – 1:00:50] Adam: The America is the most popular dive site on Isle Royale and the Great Lakes Shipwreck Preservation Society
[1:00:51 – 1:00:54] Adam: devoted its resources towards preserving the wreck site.
[1:00:54 – 1:00:55] Adam: There you go.
[1:00:55 – 1:01:00] Adam: So they decided to stop trying to bring it back to the surface and they’re like, let’s just make this thing nice for diving.
[1:01:00 – 1:01:04] Erik: Oh, yeah, or just keep blowing it up until it’s completely gone.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:05] Erik: That’s what I would prefer.
[1:01:05 – 1:01:09] Adam: Anyways, I like this one just for this picture mainly.
[1:01:10 – 1:01:17] Adam: There’s a lot of fun details about this one, but mainly I like it just because it left Grand Marais, went out there, and then reefed it.
[1:01:18 – 1:01:21] Adam: But, yeah, he’s just basically like, I’m going to bed.
[1:01:22 – 1:01:26] Adam: Just take us to the next port, and whatever you do, don’t run over that reef over there.
[1:01:26 – 1:01:27] SPEAKER_01: And he’s like, aye, aye, Captain.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:31] Adam: And he just steered it straight into the reef four times.
[1:01:31 – 1:01:32] Adam: Let me back up and hit it again.
[1:01:34 – 1:01:38] Adam: Last story tonight is the George M. Cox.
[1:01:39 – 1:01:40] Adam: This is the one on the cover.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:42] Adam: Oh, good.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:43] Adam: The cocks.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:45] Erik: This is the one Bob Marley died on?
[1:01:45 – 1:01:49] Adam: This is the one that Bob Marley died on along with Victor Mingovics.
[1:01:49 – 1:01:53] Erik: Yeah, this is the one where he slammed his toe in the door or whatever.
[1:01:53 – 1:01:54] Erik: That’s what killed him, right?
[1:01:55 – 1:01:55] Adam: His toe?
[1:01:55 – 1:01:56] Erik: Oh, my.
[1:01:56 – 1:01:57] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[1:01:57 – 1:01:59] Erik: You and Bob Marley got the dead toe in common.
[1:02:01 – 1:02:02] Erik: Think about that.
[1:02:02 – 1:02:04] Adam: I wish I could pull up Bob Marley.
[1:02:04 – 1:02:05] Erik: It’s the one thing you guys have in common.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:06] Erik: Yeah.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:07] Erik: A couple of dead toe.
[1:02:07 – 1:02:08] Adam: That’s the only thing.
[1:02:08 – 1:02:11] Erik: Bob Marley’s in the dead toe club and Zoryu.
[1:02:12 – 1:02:12] Erik: I can’t think of anybody else.
[1:02:12 – 1:02:14] Adam: We’re the only two members.
[1:02:14 – 1:02:15] Adam: As of right now.
[1:02:15 – 1:02:16] Erik: As of right now.
[1:02:16 – 1:02:17] Erik: Tumblehomecast at gmail.com.
[1:02:18 – 1:02:20] Erik: Who else is in the dead toe club?
[1:02:20 – 1:02:22] Erik: We got Bob Marley and Adam.
[1:02:22 – 1:02:24] Erik: And Victor Mingovitz.
[1:02:24 – 1:02:25] Erik: What did he do?
[1:02:25 – 1:02:26] Erik: And Captain Brian.
[1:02:26 – 1:02:27] Erik: Did he kill a toe?
[1:02:27 – 1:02:28] Erik: How did those guys kill toes?
[1:02:29 – 1:02:32] Adam: Yeah, he killed a toe by creating the cover of this book.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:35] Erik: Oh, yeah, just by proxy?
[1:02:35 – 1:02:35] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:36] Erik: All right.
[1:02:38 – 1:02:45] Adam: The George M. Cox was sunk on May 27, 1933, near the Rock of Ages Reef.
[1:02:45 – 1:02:49] Adam: We’ve already discussed this reef a couple times on this series.
[1:02:50 – 1:02:51] Erik: It’s a nasty one.
[1:02:52 – 1:02:57] Erik: Check back to episode 308 if you really need a Rock of Ages reference.
[1:02:57 – 1:02:59] Adam: We talked about the lighthouse a little bit on that one, maybe.
[1:02:59 – 1:03:02] Adam: No, we’re going to talk about it on this one, I think.
[1:03:04 – 1:03:06] Adam: The Puritan was a 200 and…
[1:03:06 – 1:03:08] Erik: It’s a horrible name for anything.
[1:03:08 – 1:03:11] Adam: The Puritan is a 233-foot passenger vessel launched in 1901…
[1:03:15 – 1:03:21] Adam: known for luxuries like electricity and elegant mahogany.
[1:03:22 – 1:03:22] Erik: Yes.
[1:03:23 – 1:03:26] Erik: Any boat or craft of any sort named the Puritan?
[1:03:26 – 1:03:31] Erik: First thing I think, just think about how luxurious the Puritan must be.
[1:03:31 – 1:03:33] Adam: I want to sail on that one.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:35] Adam: Get me inside that Puritan.
[1:03:35 – 1:03:44] Adam: The boat was temporarily camouflaged and used as a troop transport during World War I and then was laid up after the Great Depression began.
[1:03:45 – 1:04:01] Adam: The boat was eventually sold to the Isle Royale Transportation Company, run by George M. Cox, a wealthy shipmaker and brewer, who would immediately name the boat after himself, like a cool guy that he was.
[1:04:01 – 1:04:02] Erik: Yeah, I’m just a cool guy.
[1:04:02 – 1:04:05] Adam: I’m going to name this boat the George M. Cox.
[1:04:05 – 1:04:06] Adam: What do you think?
[1:04:06 – 1:04:07] Adam: Pretty catchy.
[1:04:07 – 1:04:08] Erik: Pretty catchy.
[1:04:08 – 1:04:10] Erik: You look like a really chill dude.
[1:04:11 – 1:04:16] Adam: He was a brewer, too, and his signature ale was the George M. Cox IPA.
[1:04:16 – 1:04:16] Adam: Yeah.
[1:04:17 – 1:04:18] Adam: He invented the IPA, actually.
[1:04:18 – 1:04:21] Adam: He had IPAs back then?
[1:04:22 – 1:04:22] Adam: 1933, yeah.
[1:04:23 – 1:04:26] Erik: He’s planning on shipping that out to the West Indies or whatever.
[1:04:27 – 1:04:33] Adam: He also decorated it with a bunch of tacky fake gold home decor products he bought off of Timu.
[1:04:34 – 1:04:36] Adam: So you know this guy was a cool guy.
[1:04:36 – 1:04:36] Erik: Huh.
[1:04:37 – 1:04:39] Adam: He just festooned it with fake gold.
[1:04:39 – 1:04:40] Erik: Wow.
[1:04:40 – 1:04:41] Erik: I’ve never heard of anybody doing that.
[1:04:41 – 1:04:46] Adam: He named it after himself, and then he also hung a bunch of pictures of himself in the boat.
[1:04:46 – 1:04:46] Erik: Oh, yeah?
[1:04:46 – 1:04:47] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:47 – 1:04:48] Adam: So I’m cheering for this boat.
[1:04:48 – 1:04:49] Adam: I don’t know about you.
[1:04:49 – 1:04:55] Erik: Did he tear down like a pointlessly tear down like a part of the boat for no reason?
[1:04:55 – 1:04:58] Adam: No, he just rebuilt it all in plaster.
[1:04:59 – 1:04:59] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:00 – 1:05:00] Erik: Nice.
[1:05:01 – 1:05:02] Erik: This guy sounds great.
[1:05:03 – 1:05:03] Adam: Yeah.
[1:05:03 – 1:05:03] Adam: I agree.
[1:05:04 – 1:05:05] Adam: I agree.
[1:05:11 – 1:05:23] Adam: The Cox, resplendent in a fresh coat of white paint, offset by a newly painted jet black smokestack, left Chicago on May 25, 1933.
[1:05:24 – 1:05:31] Adam: This was going to be an affair that allowed George M. Cox the opportunity to show off his new boat.
[1:05:33 – 1:05:38] Adam: Two days prior to the boat’s Chicago departure, while the craft was still in the shipyard,
[1:05:39 – 1:05:45] Adam: Hundreds of people, along with the press, inspected the cocks and voiced their approval.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:55] Adam: Yes, there was entertainment on board, and it was clear that the cocks meant every word he spoke about the boats pleasing her passengers.
[1:05:56 – 1:05:58] Erik: Well, there’s a lot going on here.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:00] Erik: At the helm.
[1:06:02 – 1:06:03] Erik: At the helm.
[1:06:04 – 1:06:05] Adam: What the hell is going on right now?
[1:06:06 – 1:06:12] Adam: At the helm was Captain George Johnson, a Great Lakes veteran from Traverse City, Michigan.
[1:06:13 – 1:06:21] Adam: The trip was designed for relaxation with a couple of stops before reaching Port Arthur.
[1:06:22 – 1:06:31] Adam: Crew members greatly outnumbered the tiny passenger list, which stood at 18, with a capacity group waiting to board in Port Arthur.
[1:06:32 – 1:06:35] Adam: Celebratory crowds greeted the Cox at her planned stops.
[1:06:36 – 1:06:43] Adam: She left Houghton, Michigan on the afternoon of May 27th with a short jaunt to Isle Royale ahead.
[1:06:45 – 1:06:48] Adam: So George M. Cox is on the George M. Cox list.
[1:06:49 – 1:06:50] Erik: Cox on Cox.
[1:06:50 – 1:06:51] Erik: Cox on Cox.
[1:06:54 – 1:06:56] Adam: Yeah, this can’t miss, baby.
[1:06:56 – 1:06:59] Adam: This cannot miss.
[1:06:59 – 1:07:00] Adam: Designated for pleasure.
[1:07:00 – 1:07:07] Adam: I think we got to get into the second.
[1:07:07 – 1:07:08] Adam: How’s your beer doing?
[1:07:08 – 1:07:10] Adam: I might need a second beer for this one.
[1:07:10 – 1:07:11] Erik: It’s long gone.
[1:07:11 – 1:07:12] Adam: All right.
[1:07:12 – 1:07:13] Adam: Let’s get into these.
[1:07:14 – 1:07:18] Adam: Because this art supply sponsorship is designed for pleasure.
[1:07:19 – 1:07:19] Adam: Pizga.
[1:07:19 – 1:07:20] Adam: Pizga.
[1:07:20 – 1:07:21] Adam: Pizga.
[1:07:23 – 1:07:25] Adam: Don’t get any beer on that library book.
[1:07:28 – 1:07:28] Adam: What’s wrong with yours?
[1:07:30 – 1:07:30] Adam: Mine’s fine.
[1:07:30 – 1:07:31] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:07:31 – 1:07:31] Erik: Did you prank me?
[1:07:32 – 1:07:32] Erik: Have I been pranked?
[1:07:34 – 1:07:35] Adam: Cox on Cox.
[1:07:35 – 1:07:37] Adam: You got coxed.
[1:07:37 – 1:07:39] Erik: I’m designed for pleasure.
[1:07:39 – 1:07:43] Adam: Captain Johnson of the Cox.
[1:07:46 – 1:07:47] Adam: He turned command over.
[1:07:47 – 1:07:48] Adam: This is never a good sign.
[1:07:49 – 1:07:53] Adam: If you’re a captain of a large freighter, never turn command over.
[1:07:53 – 1:07:54] Adam: Just never sleep.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:55] Erik: I’m just going to hit the hay.
[1:07:55 – 1:08:06] Adam: Captain Johnson turned command over to first mate Arthur Cronk as the boat approached the 117-foot Rock of Ages lighthouse in a dense fog.
[1:08:07 – 1:08:07] Adam: You know what?
[1:08:08 – 1:08:10] Adam: Now would be a good time to retire for my nap.
[1:08:10 – 1:08:12] Erik: It’s looking real murky out there, boys.
[1:08:12 – 1:08:18] Erik: I can barely see the front of the boat.
[1:08:18 – 1:08:21] Erik: I can’t even see the tip of the cocks right now.
[1:08:21 – 1:08:24] Erik: I’m going to turn this over to a youngster.
[1:08:26 – 1:08:27] Adam: First mate, Cronk.
[1:08:27 – 1:08:27] Adam: Cronk.
[1:08:28 – 1:08:29] Adam: Hey, Cronk, get up here.
[1:08:29 – 1:08:30] Erik: Hey, Cronk.
[1:08:30 – 1:08:33] Erik: Cronk’s like wiping beans out of his mustache or something.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:34] Erik: Like, yeah, I got it.
[1:08:34 – 1:08:35] Erik: I got it.
[1:08:35 – 1:08:37] Erik: Oh, I got this, Captain.
[1:08:37 – 1:08:38] Erik: I’m good.
[1:08:38 – 1:08:39] Adam: You can go sleep.
[1:08:40 – 1:08:41] Adam: Go take a sleep.
[1:08:41 – 1:08:42] Adam: Go take a sleep.
[1:08:42 – 1:08:43] Adam: Go take a sleep, Johnson.
[1:08:44 – 1:08:45] Adam: I got the cocks.
[1:08:45 – 1:08:46] Adam: I got the cocks now.
[1:08:50 – 1:08:59] Adam: From his vantage point in the lighthouse, keeper John Soldensky peered through a thick, low-hanging fog, amazed by what he saw.
[1:09:00 – 1:09:06] Adam: Although he could not make out the vessel, he could see its two masts poking through the fog.
[1:09:07 – 1:09:14] Adam: The boat traveling too fast for conditions, headed directly towards the reef, the lighthouse, was equipped to caution boats about.
[1:09:15 – 1:09:20] Adam: Soldensky rushed to his fog whistle, but the boat kept coming, Eric.
[1:09:21 – 1:09:22] Erik: Kept coming.
[1:09:22 – 1:09:23] Erik: I want a fog whistle.
[1:09:23 – 1:09:28] Adam: The reef lay between the unidentifiable steamer and the light.
[1:09:30 – 1:09:36] Adam: McCox’s first mate, it so happened, had not followed his captain’s instructions at all.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:45] Adam: He would later explain that a deviation of the boat’s compass reading had led to some confusion.
[1:09:46 – 1:09:51] Adam: This was not an uncommon phenomenon near Isle Royale.
[1:09:52 – 1:10:01] Adam: But Captain Johnson stated that the cocks had heard the Rock of Ages alert at least an hour before his boat hit the reef, and he had thought little of it.
[1:10:02 – 1:10:05] Adam: There was plenty of time to alter course and avoid danger.
[1:10:08 – 1:10:13] Adam: Soldensky’s frantic attempts to warn the boat of danger ahead were probably futile.
[1:10:13 – 1:10:27] Adam: Fog whistles had a strange way of echoing in the low visibility, and even if this had not been the case in the late afternoon of May 27th, the Cox was moving too fast to react in time to avoid disaster.
[1:10:28 – 1:10:34] Adam: It was roughly 6 o’clock, with dinner being served in the dining room when the Cox ran aground.
[1:10:35 – 1:10:37] Adam: The collision with the reef was violent.
[1:10:38 – 1:10:42] Adam: Largely due to the boat’s speed at the moment of impact.
[1:10:43 – 1:10:47] Adam: The grounding was so forceful that it ripped the engine and boilers from their moorings.
[1:10:48 – 1:10:51] Adam: A hole in the boat’s hull opened the stern to inrushing water.
[1:10:52 – 1:10:56] Adam: The cocks immediately began listing to her port side.
[1:10:58 – 1:10:58] Adam: Oh no.
[1:11:01 – 1:11:03] Adam: I’d say it was a violent collision.
[1:11:03 – 1:11:08] Adam: It sounds like… Ripped the motor right out of its moorings?
[1:11:08 – 1:11:09] Adam: Not a great time.
[1:11:09 – 1:11:11] Adam: Yeah, and they should have listened to the whistle.
[1:11:15 – 1:11:17] Erik: What does the fog whistle sound like?
[1:11:20 – 1:11:21] SPEAKER_01: Go away.
[1:11:22 – 1:11:23] SPEAKER_01: Go away from this whistle.
[1:11:28 – 1:11:33] Adam: The lighthouse keeper launched his motorboat and the five port lifeboats were lowered.
[1:11:33 – 1:11:34] Erik: Where’s the lighthouse keeper at?
[1:11:35 – 1:11:36] Adam: In the lighthouse?
[1:11:36 – 1:11:37] Adam: Oh, I got a picture.
[1:11:37 – 1:11:37] Adam: Hold on.
[1:11:37 – 1:11:38] Erik: Where?
[1:11:38 – 1:11:39] Erik: On the island?
[1:11:39 – 1:11:39] Adam: The Light of Ages.
[1:11:39 – 1:11:42] Adam: Jesus.
[1:11:42 – 1:11:45] Adam: The Rock of Ages Lighthouse during construction picture here.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:46] Erik: Wow.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:48] Erik: There used to be a man in there?
[1:11:48 – 1:11:50] Adam: They used to have a little cabin here for the crew to build the lighthouse.
[1:11:50 – 1:11:51] Erik: Robert Pattinson.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:53] Erik: I see him there in the shoreline there.
[1:11:53 – 1:11:54] Adam: Surely.
[1:11:54 – 1:11:55] Adam: You like me lobster.
[1:11:55 – 1:11:57] Erik: Never kill seabird.
[1:11:57 – 1:11:59] Adam: You like me rock lobsters.
[1:11:59 – 1:12:01] Erik: You like me rock lobsters.
[1:12:01 – 1:12:02] Erik: Surely.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:03] Erik: It’s always coming together.
[1:12:04 – 1:12:10] Adam: The keeper launched the motorboat, and the five port lifeboats were lowered and towed to shore.
[1:12:11 – 1:12:17] Adam: The ones on the other side were not able to be lowered due to the list and the ship being all tore up.
[1:12:18 – 1:12:20] Adam: It took only 40 minutes to completely abandon ship.
[1:12:21 – 1:12:32] Adam: The passengers and crew slept in the lighthouse stairs and sipped coffee brewed by the lighthouse keeper’s wife until the following morning when the Coast Guard arrived from Grand Portage.
[1:12:32 – 1:12:37] Adam: A formal inquiry of the wreck was held in Houghton, Michigan on May 30th.
[1:12:38 – 1:12:40] Adam: This is three days after it sunk.
[1:12:41 – 1:12:46] Adam: While the boat still looked like the cover of this book.
[1:12:46 – 1:12:49] Adam: They’re already holding an inquiry in Houghton, Michigan.
[1:12:50 – 1:12:51] Erik: Inquiry?
[1:12:51 – 1:12:52] Adam: Inquiry.
[1:12:53 – 1:12:54] Adam: Is that a line from the book?
[1:12:55 – 1:12:57] Adam: It’s a summation.
[1:12:57 – 1:13:01] Erik: No, when the boat still looked like the cover of this book?
[1:13:01 – 1:13:02] Adam: No, I wrote that.
[1:13:02 – 1:13:02] Adam: Okay, good.
[1:13:03 – 1:13:07] Erik: I was going to say, if Schumacher wrote that, I might have to forever cancel it.
[1:13:07 – 1:13:12] Adam: While this thing is looking like this, I’m showing Eric the cover of the book again, designed by Victor.
[1:13:13 – 1:13:20] Adam: While that boat is still sticking out of the Rock of Ages lighthouse reef, they’re already in Houghton trying to figure out what happened.
[1:13:21 – 1:13:28] Erik: Well, I mean, that beats waiting seven days to even start a rescue operation.
[1:13:28 – 1:13:30] Adam: Here’s the completed lighthouse.
[1:13:30 – 1:13:33] Adam: You can see that up there from Mount Josephine to this day.
[1:13:33 – 1:13:33] Adam: Yeah, it’s still there.
[1:13:33 – 1:13:34] Adam: The little cabin’s gone.
[1:13:34 – 1:13:37] Adam: Now there’s just a little stair down to the rock.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:38] Adam: Where’s the motorboat?
[1:13:39 – 1:13:42] Adam: There must be a little marina on the backside for the motorboat.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:45] Erik: I want to marry a lighthouse keeper.
[1:13:45 – 1:13:47] Erik: Keep them company.
[1:13:56 – 1:13:57] Adam: What the hell?
[1:13:57 – 1:14:08] Adam: Captain Johnson did not back away from pinning first mate Arthur Cronk with the responsibility for the Cox’s being in the hazardous area near Isle Royale.
[1:14:08 – 1:14:10] Erik: That was great.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:12] Adam: It was Cox’s fault for the Cronk.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:16] Adam: Yeah, he immediately just threw him right under the bus at the inquiry.
[1:14:16 – 1:14:18] Erik: Whoever’s beneath you in the hierarchy.
[1:14:18 – 1:14:19] Erik: That’s good leadership.
[1:14:19 – 1:14:20] Erik: That’s good leadership.
[1:14:20 – 1:14:21] Erik: That’s called leadership right there.
[1:14:21 – 1:14:23] Adam: Yeah, throw the plebs under the bus.
[1:14:26 – 1:14:37] Adam: Johnson testified, and his testimony was later corroborated by others, that he had set a specific course for Fort William before retiring to his quarters and leaving Cronk in charge.
[1:14:38 – 1:14:46] Adam: Rather than follow his directives, Cronk had set a different course, one that led to catastrophic results.
[1:14:46 – 1:14:48] Erik: Cronk.
[1:14:48 – 1:14:49] Adam: God damn it, Cronk.
[1:14:54 – 1:14:54] Adam: Is that it?
[1:14:54 – 1:14:56] Adam: No, I got one more quote for you here.
[1:14:56 – 1:14:58] Adam: I just gotta figure out how it’s gonna work.
[1:14:58 – 1:14:59] Adam: How is it gonna work?
[1:15:00 – 1:15:01] Adam: I don’t understand.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:05] Adam: Art Kronk followed Johnson on the stand.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:10] Adam: His appearance began late on the opening day and continued until the next morning.
[1:15:11 – 1:15:18] Adam: Kronk found himself on the defensive, vehemently denying Johnson’s assertions about his role in the accident.
[1:15:19 – 1:15:24] Adam: as well as other testimony by Johnson that portrayed him in a less than favorable light.
[1:15:25 – 1:15:39] Adam: Johnson claimed that Cronk had been the first officer to leave the Cox, and that he had been on a lifeboat with only a single passenger, a woman, and that he, Johnson, ordered Cronk to return to the Cox for more passengers.
[1:15:40 – 1:15:46] Adam: Cronk denied the allegations, though Johnson’s remarks were later backed up by other testimony.
[1:15:47 – 1:15:50] Adam: Cronk stated that he had stayed with the Cox until the bitter end.
[1:15:53 – 1:15:56] Adam: Kronk’s abilities as an officer were already in question.
[1:15:56 – 1:16:01] Adam: As the first mate on the Kiowa, he had been aboard another sinking board.
[1:16:02 – 1:16:06] Adam: The Kiowa, fighting a blizzard in 1929, had grounded off Sable Point.
[1:16:07 – 1:16:14] Adam: The captain had drowned, but Kronk had had his license suspended for 30 days for negligence.
[1:16:15 – 1:16:21] Adam: Now, less than four years later, he was facing more disciplinary action for his role in another lost vessel.
[1:16:22 – 1:16:25] Adam: His role in the inquiry was contentious at the very least.
[1:16:26 – 1:16:29] Adam: He angrily answered some of the more pointed queries.
[1:16:30 – 1:16:38] Adam: On one occasion, he broke down in tears, pounding the table and saying he was being, quote, framed by a bunch of dirty crooks.
[1:16:38 – 1:16:39] Adam: Yeah, sounds like it.
[1:16:39 – 1:16:44] Adam: Then, the same evening, he got into a physical altercation with M.L.
[1:16:44 – 1:16:51] Adam: Gilbert, the Isle Royale Transit Company’s vice president and marine superintendent in the hotel lobby.
[1:16:54 – 1:16:56] Adam: The Board of Inquiry testimony was compelling.
[1:16:57 – 1:17:05] Adam: When the hearings were concluded, the Board found Johnson and Kronk both guilty of reckless navigation in a fog and inattention of duty.
[1:17:06 – 1:17:09] Adam: The U.S. Steamboat Inspection Service suspended both men’s licenses.
[1:17:11 – 1:17:13] Adam: And neither man sailed again.
[1:17:13 – 1:17:14] Erik: Oh, good.
[1:17:14 – 1:17:15] Erik: Get him off the lake.
[1:17:16 – 1:17:17] Erik: We just fighting lobbies now.
[1:17:17 – 1:17:21] Adam: Yeah, it’s ended in fisticuffs in the end.
[1:17:21 – 1:17:22] Adam: That’s great.
[1:17:22 – 1:17:22] Adam: I like that.
[1:17:23 – 1:17:26] Adam: Bunch of dirty crooks trying to frame Kronk.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:26] Adam: Kronk?
[1:17:27 – 1:17:28] Adam: Cox is trying to frame Kronk.
[1:17:28 – 1:17:29] Erik: Cox versus Kronk?
[1:17:31 – 1:17:32] Erik: Cox on Kronk.
[1:17:32 – 1:17:51] Erik: cocks on crunk lobby fights that seems like we’re uh yeah we’re about halfway to uh you know the first act of a movie here we’re just getting started yeah next week uh no we’re gonna get to the bottom of this one nope
[1:17:52 – 1:17:56] Erik: It takes me a year to recover from shipwreck month.
[1:17:56 – 1:17:56] Erik: I’m sorry.
[1:17:57 – 1:17:59] Adam: I’m all shipwrecked out, as is Eric.
[1:18:00 – 1:18:04] Adam: And that is the end of Too Much Sea for their decks.
[1:18:04 – 1:18:08] Adam: Thank you, Michael Schumacher, for the wonderful book.
[1:18:08 – 1:18:11] Adam: Thank you to the Grand Marais Public Library for loaning it to us.
[1:18:12 – 1:18:15] Adam: We really enjoyed it, and I might return it someday.
[1:18:15 – 1:18:17] Erik: I’m just going to throw that in the fire right now, actually.
[1:18:18 – 1:18:19] Adam: There’s no more library fines.
[1:18:19 – 1:18:21] Adam: They can’t actually do anything to you anymore.
[1:18:21 – 1:18:22] Erik: Yeah, we destroy the evidence.
[1:18:23 – 1:18:24] Adam: I never even had this book.
[1:18:25 – 1:18:25] Erik: Prove it.
[1:18:25 – 1:18:27] Erik: Oh, it says right here you rented this.
[1:18:27 – 1:18:28] Adam: I doubt it.
[1:18:28 – 1:18:30] Adam: Well, prove I have it.
[1:18:32 – 1:18:33] Adam: You can’t do that.
[1:18:33 – 1:18:34] Adam: I guess.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:36] Adam: You can’t do it.
[1:18:36 – 1:18:38] Adam: You can’t prove it if you burn it.
[1:18:40 – 1:18:41] Adam: It just seems like
[1:18:43 – 1:18:47] Adam: Most of these shipwrecks aren’t because the boats failed.
[1:18:48 – 1:18:56] Adam: I’m going to go ahead and say almost all of the ones we’ve talked about in the last three weeks on the show have all mostly been due to negligence.
[1:18:57 – 1:18:57] Adam: Yeah.
[1:18:58 – 1:18:59] Adam: Poor seismanship.
[1:19:00 – 1:19:28] Erik: poor seismic literally just driving them straight into a reef at full blast well you know some of it’s also due to the time where charts and yeah it just seems like instrumentation on how to read depth and you know lighting and yeah storms are always going to be storms but like if you don’t know if you don’t have good charts it doesn’t even matter if you don’t know where you are on the chart yeah exactly
[1:19:29 – 1:19:31] Adam: It’s the lack of spatial awareness.
[1:19:32 – 1:19:34] Adam: And you get into a storm and you can’t tell.
[1:19:35 – 1:19:37] Adam: Last week or wherever, they’re like, throw the buoy out back.
[1:19:38 – 1:19:39] Adam: How far does the buoy say we went?
[1:19:39 – 1:19:41] Adam: And they’re like, the buoy’s froze up, boss.
[1:19:41 – 1:19:42] Adam: We don’t know.
[1:19:42 – 1:19:42] Erik: The buoy’s gone.
[1:19:42 – 1:19:43] Erik: We haven’t seen the buoy in hours.
[1:19:43 – 1:19:44] Adam: Jesus Christ, the buoy’s gone.
[1:19:45 – 1:19:45] Erik: Oh, jeez.
[1:19:45 – 1:19:46] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[1:19:46 – 1:19:47] Erik: It could be a thousand feet.
[1:19:47 – 1:19:47] Erik: It could be two feet.
[1:19:48 – 1:19:48] Erik: I have no idea.
[1:19:48 – 1:19:51] Adam: Even if you had good charts, you wouldn’t know where you are on the chart.
[1:19:51 – 1:19:52] Adam: You’re in big trouble.
[1:19:53 – 1:19:53] Erik: Yeah.
[1:19:54 – 1:19:54] Adam: So…
[1:19:56 – 1:19:57] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:19:57 – 1:19:57] Adam: It’s amazing.
[1:19:58 – 1:20:02] Adam: Once we got GPS, all of a sudden you stopped having shipwrecks like five a month.
[1:20:03 – 1:20:07] Adam: How many boats are on the bottom of this lake just because people just drove it straight into a rock?
[1:20:08 – 1:20:13] Adam: Very few of these shipwrecks seem to be the case where they… And always Isle Royale.
[1:20:13 – 1:20:15] Erik: Just stay out in the middle of the lake.
[1:20:15 – 1:20:17] Erik: Why are you guys going towards Isle Royale constantly?
[1:20:17 – 1:20:18] Adam: Because they’re trying to stay out of the wind.
[1:20:18 – 1:20:20] Adam: They’re trying to get out of the wind.
[1:20:20 – 1:20:20] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:20:20 – 1:20:25] Erik: That’s a really good idea when four or five ships that go close to Isle Royale get smashed.
[1:20:25 – 1:20:30] Adam: I would say you’re better off in the middle of the lake in the wind than going near the rocks to get out of the wind.
[1:20:30 – 1:20:31] Adam: Yeah.
[1:20:31 – 1:20:32] Adam: And they’re always trying to…
[1:20:34 – 1:20:35] Adam: Find that groove.
[1:20:36 – 1:20:39] Adam: And the groove always just leads you straight into the reef.
[1:20:40 – 1:20:43] Adam: And that’s the lesson of these last three episodes is stay out of the groove.
[1:20:44 – 1:20:45] Adam: Go for the deep water.
[1:20:45 – 1:20:46] Erik: Stay in the deep water.
[1:20:47 – 1:20:50] Adam: Very few of these boats are sinking because they just broke in half in the middle of the lake.
[1:20:50 – 1:20:59] Adam: And that’s what ended up happening with the Morrell and the Bradley and eventually the Fitzgerald.
[1:20:59 – 1:21:00] Adam: I don’t know that.
[1:21:01 – 1:21:03] Adam: They ended up breaking up in the middle of the lake.
[1:21:04 – 1:21:05] Adam: Or maybe not.
[1:21:06 – 1:21:12] Adam: But at least they knew where they were somewhat because of the technology of the time.
[1:21:12 – 1:21:29] Adam: But if we got hit with a super solar flare that knocked out the whole electrical grid and all our GPS overnight, I think even these modern freighters, we’d all of a sudden see a 10% uptick in shipwrecks just because people are lost.
[1:21:29 – 1:21:30] Erik: Yeah.
[1:21:30 – 1:21:39] Adam: It’s only because of GPS and radar now that people sailing the Great Lakes can see where they are at all times, no matter what.
[1:21:40 – 1:21:45] Adam: They can plot their course a little bit more effectively, and you’re not just relying on gut feeling.
[1:21:45 – 1:21:47] Adam: Like, how close are we to Isle Royale?
[1:21:47 – 1:21:48] Adam: I think it’s coming up.
[1:21:49 – 1:21:50] Adam: Crank!
[1:21:50 – 1:21:51] Adam: He got cronked.
[1:21:52 – 1:21:53] Erik: Oh, we smashed into a reef.
[1:21:54 – 1:21:55] Erik: Let’s back up and go forward.
[1:21:56 – 1:21:57] Erik: Oh, no, we smashed into a reef again.
[1:21:58 – 1:22:01] Erik: Well, let’s back up and try again.
[1:22:01 – 1:22:03] Erik: Oh, God, we smashed into it a third time.
[1:22:04 – 1:22:05] Erik: Let’s try again.
[1:22:05 – 1:22:08] Erik: Come on, we can probably miss it this time.
[1:22:08 – 1:22:09] Adam: How do you hit it four times?
[1:22:09 – 1:22:14] Adam: This is just a story of people always being lost and making horrible decisions trying to find their way.
[1:22:15 – 1:22:15] Adam: Yeah.
[1:22:15 – 1:22:16] Adam: And just people being lost.
[1:22:18 – 1:22:24] Adam: And I don’t really want to, I’m not going to go out there and say I can navigate in a blizzard on Lake Superior.
[1:22:24 – 1:22:28] Adam: I don’t even want to navigate in a blizzard on Horseshoe Lake.
[1:22:30 – 1:22:33] Adam: I don’t want to be on the water in a blizzard, period.
[1:22:33 – 1:22:34] Adam: Yeah.
[1:22:34 – 1:22:44] Adam: But I’m just saying, even with the modern ships, I’m thinking if we lost GPS overnight, that even these big thousand footers would all of a sudden start reefing it again.
[1:22:44 – 1:22:44] Adam: Yeah.
[1:22:45 – 1:23:09] Adam: yeah you think so i think so i think if you don’t have the the computers to tell you where to drive look at just people trying to drive how many people can just like navigate using a paper map these days i still love a paper man i love the paper i don’t have a i don’t have a gps in my car take the next right like i don’t need to be told how to drive i know when the next right is
[1:23:09 – 1:23:14] Erik: Also, signs, just generally, they exist for a reason.
[1:23:15 – 1:23:21] Erik: Obviously, that doesn’t translate to being out on the ocean or a big lake, but driving around?
[1:23:21 – 1:23:23] Erik: Driving around is actually pretty easy.
[1:23:23 – 1:23:27] Erik: We’ve designed the roads to provide…
[1:23:27 – 1:23:29] Adam: The lighthouses are the signs.
[1:23:29 – 1:23:29] Adam: Yeah.
[1:23:29 – 1:23:31] Erik: Yeah, and those don’t really exist anymore.
[1:23:31 – 1:23:32] Erik: So yeah, I get what you’re saying.
[1:23:32 – 1:23:42] Erik: Like if you removed the GPS or all of the current technology from boats, yeah, they probably would immediately start slamming into reefs because it’s not like a road system.
[1:23:42 – 1:23:53] Adam: Even the Fitzgerald, it was like, well, the lighthouse went out and their radar was gone and they immediately got themselves in trouble because they weren’t quite aware of where they were.
[1:23:54 – 1:23:55] Adam: Yeah.
[1:23:55 – 1:24:00] Adam: You lose one light off in the distance and all of a sudden it’s like floundering around in the dark.
[1:24:02 – 1:24:03] Adam: And nobody likes that feeling.
[1:24:04 – 1:24:04] Adam: I don’t.
[1:24:05 – 1:24:06] Adam: I love it.
[1:24:06 – 1:24:07] Adam: I love it.
[1:24:09 – 1:24:12] Erik: Well, thank you for the Schumacher.
[1:24:12 – 1:24:14] Adam: Thank you, Schumacher, for the Schumacher.
[1:24:14 – 1:24:18] Adam: Let’s never speak of the puppies ever again.
[1:24:18 – 1:24:19] Adam: For the cocks.
[1:24:19 – 1:24:23] Erik: We’ll talk about the pigs all the time, but never the puppies.
[1:24:23 – 1:24:24] Adam: Right on.
[1:24:24 – 1:24:25] Erik: Cocks on cocks.
[1:24:25 – 1:24:26] Adam: All right.
[1:24:26 – 1:24:30] Adam: Thank you to our Patreons for their continued support of the show.
[1:24:31 – 1:24:37] Adam: And we will be getting up in the mezzanine shortly to talk about a different kind of ghost ship.
[1:24:38 – 1:24:39] Adam: This one’s scary.
[1:24:39 – 1:24:47] Erik: This one’s filled with Nazis, and it’s a sentient boat movie, which I always have a hard time with, but we’re going to power through.
[1:24:47 – 1:24:50] Adam: Is the boat sentient, or are the ghosts just moving the levers?
[1:24:51 – 1:24:52] Adam: We’re about to find out.
[1:24:52 – 1:24:52] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:24:52 – 1:24:56] Adam: For Tumble Home, a proud independent podcast, we’re going to wrap this one up.
[1:24:56 – 1:24:59] Adam: Thank you for being here, Eric.
[1:24:59 – 1:25:01] Adam: No, thank you for hosting me being here.
[1:25:02 – 1:25:03] Adam: Yes.
[1:25:03 – 1:25:04] Adam: Thank you to you.
[1:25:04 – 1:25:05] Adam: Thank you.
[1:25:05 – 1:25:06] Erik: Thank you for having me.
[1:25:07 – 1:25:08] Adam: Thank you, Arthur M. Cox.
[1:25:08 – 1:25:08] Adam: Thank you.
[1:25:08 – 1:25:10] Erik: Thank me for being here.
[1:25:11 – 1:25:11] Adam: All right.
[1:25:12 – 1:25:15] Adam: As we always say on Tomahome, life is precious and every day is a miracle.
[1:25:16 – 1:25:18] Adam: And enjoy sailing.
[1:25:19 – 1:25:19] Adam: Good night.
[1:26:07 – 1:26:09] UNKNOWN: Bye.
[1:26:09 – 1:26:09] UNKNOWN: Bye.