159: This is Fine

Episode Transcript

[0:00:36 – 0:00:44] Erik: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast, and welcome to the shed.
[0:00:46 – 0:00:47] Erik: Hashtag shed life.
[0:00:48 – 0:00:49] Adam: Hashtag shedularity.
[0:00:50 – 0:00:53] Erik: Hashtag sheds for life.
[0:00:54 – 0:00:55] Erik: My name is Eric.
[0:00:56 – 0:01:15] Erik: of course coming to you live from the shed joined as always by my good and best man adam hello hello tumble homies welcome to the shed you’re in here with us too arrow the dog is out here
[0:01:17 – 0:01:19] Adam: Looking great, laying in the hay over there.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:20] Adam: We’ve got the big map.
[0:01:21 – 0:01:27] Adam: We’re looking at all the spots where there’s fires on this map right now, and this map is a burning up.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:30] Erik: Looking at all the places, you can’t go anymore.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:35] Adam: Yeah, right off the top.
[0:01:35 – 0:01:36] Adam: Big news today.
[0:01:37 – 0:01:39] Adam: Not going to bury the lead on this episode.
[0:01:39 – 0:01:40] Adam: Big news today.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:41] Adam: They just closed the Boundary Waters.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:42] Adam: Crazy.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:42] Adam: It’s closed.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:43] Erik: Crazy.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:44] Adam: Okay.
[0:01:44 – 0:01:50] Adam: Somebody just texted this at noon at work today.
[0:01:50 – 0:01:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:51 – 0:01:52] Adam: Park’s closed.
[0:01:52 – 0:02:06] Erik: Yeah, I would have typically been at the forefront of learning that knowledge, but obviously two weeks removed from getting emails directly from the U.S. Forest Service, I learned about it from a guy at Trail Center.
[0:02:07 – 0:02:20] Erik: After I had gotten done hiking and performing some alocutions on the trail where I was basically saying how dry it was and they should probably just close the whole park.
[0:02:21 – 0:02:23] Adam: I think I should close everything north of the tunnels, please.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:26] Adam: Just close the whole north shore, please.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:27 – 0:02:29] Adam: I think that’s the safest move.
[0:02:30 – 0:02:39] Erik: Well, I mean, that would cut off one of the other forms of my current income right now, which is the rental of my house.
[0:02:40 – 0:02:44] Erik: And then I would have to actually find gainful employment.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:46] Erik: So on that note.
[0:02:47 – 0:02:48] Adam: Park’s closed, dude.
[0:02:49 – 0:02:49] Adam: Thank you, Donnie.
[0:02:50 – 0:02:50] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:51 – 0:02:55] Erik: Yeah, the Tumble Home, a closed park podcast.
[0:02:55 – 0:03:00] Erik: Man, never would have thought I’d ever seen the day.
[0:03:01 – 0:03:09] Erik: We’ll talk a little bit more about it after we get through our sponsors, which we do have, of course.
[0:03:11 – 0:03:12] Erik: You want to do the beer first?
[0:03:13 – 0:03:14] Adam: Holy smokes, Gus.
[0:03:14 – 0:03:15] Adam: Look at this thing.
[0:03:17 – 0:03:18] Adam: We got the big one out.
[0:03:18 – 0:03:25] Adam: So our beer fridge here in the tumble shed is a medium-sized dorm fridge, it looks like.
[0:03:26 – 0:03:27] Adam: So…
[0:03:27 – 0:03:28] Adam: Not a ton of room in there.
[0:03:28 – 0:03:33] Adam: So we got kind of like an auxiliary cabinet set up with beer.
[0:03:33 – 0:03:36] Adam: Then they get shuffled into the fridge in order that they come in.
[0:03:37 – 0:03:37] Adam: Yes.
[0:03:37 – 0:03:41] Adam: And so we had this jumbo in there, taking up quite a bit of room.
[0:03:41 – 0:03:45] Adam: So there’s a hot tip for anybody sending art supplies or refreshments our way.
[0:03:47 – 0:03:48] Adam: The bigger, the faster.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:50] Adam: You go right to the front of the line.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:51] Adam: It’s a free pass to the front of the line.
[0:03:51 – 0:03:55] Adam: You send something big because currently we’re a little underfridged.
[0:03:55 – 0:03:56] Adam: I think we’re going to address that.
[0:03:57 – 0:04:05] Adam: But this week, we got a beautiful mini keg of Bell’s Oberon Ale.
[0:04:05 – 0:04:07] Adam: This is a 2021 American wheat.
[0:04:08 – 0:04:13] Adam: And it looks to be a special edition keg featuring the North Country Trail.
[0:04:13 – 0:04:14] Erik: Very nice artwork.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:15] Erik: I like that a lot.
[0:04:15 – 0:04:18] Erik: It’s got Sufjan Stevens album artwork vibes going on there.
[0:04:18 – 0:04:35] Adam: For the love of the trails, the North Country National Scenic Trail is the longest of the national trail system, stretching 4,700 miles across eight states from North Dakota, Vermont, traversing forests and farmlands of the North Country.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:48] Adam: surreal butte uh got some really uh yeah really kind of a disturbing sun artwork and uh a very nice uh map of the the great lakes region with the trail etched in there
[0:04:48 – 0:04:51] Adam: It’s from our good friend of the show, Brian.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:52] Adam: He says, go Habs.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:54] Adam: Brian and family, I believe.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Adam: We’re going to give credit to the whole family.
[0:04:55 – 0:04:58] Adam: But Brian specifically dropped this off.
[0:04:58 – 0:05:00] Adam: So thank you very much.
[0:05:01 – 0:05:04] Adam: And we’ve already cracked it because you know how many kegs are, Eric.
[0:05:05 – 0:05:06] Adam: They’re wily.
[0:05:06 – 0:05:07] Adam: You got to vent them.
[0:05:07 – 0:05:08] Erik: Yes.
[0:05:08 – 0:05:09] Erik: Got to let them rest a little bit.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:11] Erik: We needed some pre-venting.
[0:05:11 – 0:05:13] Erik: So we did a couple of test runs.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:15] Erik: But we do have the ash pottery chalices out.
[0:05:16 – 0:05:18] Erik: We’ll go ahead and cheers to Brian.
[0:05:18 – 0:05:20] Erik: Sorry about the habs, but.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:22] Erik: Oh, they’re so close.
[0:05:22 – 0:05:24] Erik: Cheers to you, my good man.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:32] Erik: Second mini keg on the show, I believe.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:33 – 0:05:35] Adam: Oh, these mini keg episodes are always a treat.
[0:05:35 – 0:05:37] Erik: Yeah, we’ll see how much of this we can blast down.
[0:05:38 – 0:06:02] Adam: i’m feeling quite thirsty yeah um and uh it’s the perfect drinking temperature so uh we’re gonna do give it our best effort that’s for sure uh tumble home is also sponsored of course by our good friends on patreon we love you very much thank you for your support your generous support of the show um you know the servers they’re they’re running
[0:06:02 – 0:06:17] Adam: top-notch servers we got for the show uh eric doesn’t really like to brag up our servers but he splurged for the best servers only the best for this show uh so your rss feeds are all working i hope uh but anyways thank you though seriously
[0:06:18 – 0:06:18] Erik: Yes, thank you.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:39] Erik: I feel like I’ve been saying this now for quite some time, but I think additional content is coming your way on Patreon in the form of we’re going to do a TumbleTunes episode for our $5 a month patrons after this episode.
[0:06:40 – 0:06:45] Erik: We’re just basically going to talk, and maybe it’ll be more than monthly, but for sure monthly now,
[0:06:46 – 0:07:06] Erik: uh what do you what you’ve been listening to lately and just a little conversation on maybe a few of our favorite albums maybe new maybe revisiting or maybe discovering which is sometimes my favorite finding absolutely yeah sneak peek i’ve been listening to obscured by clouds lately again very nice excellent for driving out of the driveway in the morning
[0:07:07 – 0:07:30] Adam: yes really gets your day off on the right foot fun fact uh we are both former paper boys as we discussed on last week’s episode but we’re also both former radio djs as well yes so uh eric in particular has a really good taste in music i i have a decent taste in music oh come on come on uh don’t sell yourself too short you’re an incredible slouch
[0:07:33 – 0:07:36] Erik: And it should be mentioned on the next Tumble CCC.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:37] Erik: Tumble TCC.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:39] Erik: That’s too many T’s, I think.
[0:07:39 – 0:07:40] Adam: Yeah, you over-T’d it.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:43] Erik: I think I over-T’d it, but I don’t know if we’ve mentioned it yet.
[0:07:43 – 0:07:48] Erik: Maybe at the end of the Goofy movie, you maybe mentioned it.
[0:07:48 – 0:07:50] Adam: I didn’t reveal it, even though I knew it at the time.
[0:07:50 – 0:07:53] Adam: I didn’t even tell you until a couple days after that.
[0:07:53 – 0:07:55] Adam: Well, the fish, it’s out of the bag.
[0:07:55 – 0:07:56] Adam: Oh, big fish.
[0:07:56 – 0:07:57] Erik: Big fish.
[0:07:57 – 0:07:59] Erik: We’re going to talk about Jaws.
[0:07:59 – 0:08:04] Adam: Yeah, you know, my dad did text me and spoiled the Packers preseason score today.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:07] Erik: I thought you were going to say he texted you and spoiled the ending to Jaws.
[0:08:07 – 0:08:10] Adam: He spoiled the ending to Jaws last week, however.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:12] Adam: Dad, are you listening?
[0:08:13 – 0:08:14] Adam: Father, are you out there?
[0:08:14 – 0:08:36] Adam: yeah is uh prolific texting he basically live tweeted the entirety of the movie jaws to me and how it is the perfect movie for uh this summer in america uh the movie is uh still still stands the test of time and is almost more true today than it was then and also very entertaining yeah and features fishing and boats
[0:08:36 – 0:08:36] Adam: Yes.
[0:08:37 – 0:08:45] Erik: Some of the parallels that will be drawn between what is good for the community and the safety of the community versus the overall financial well-being.
[0:08:45 – 0:08:46] Adam: You can’t close the beach.
[0:08:47 – 0:08:49] Adam: It’ll wreck the economy.
[0:08:49 – 0:08:50] Adam: Oh, the economy.
[0:08:50 – 0:08:52] Adam: Precious money.
[0:08:53 – 0:08:56] Erik: I’ve gotten some good emails on some future TCCs.
[0:08:56 – 0:09:10] Erik: I know your schedule is a little bit more packed than mine, but I think it’d be fun to maybe put out a couple extra TCCs, especially once we maybe cool down a little bit this fall in terms of your schedule.
[0:09:10 – 0:09:13] Adam: Yeah, I mean, Eric, the shed is always open.
[0:09:13 – 0:09:20] Erik: Somebody suggested The Last of the Mohicans at the threat of us tearing down one of his favorite movies of all time.
[0:09:21 – 0:09:21] Adam: What?
[0:09:21 – 0:09:23] Adam: I would never tear down The Last of the Mohicans.
[0:09:23 – 0:09:25] Erik: I’ve never seen it, so I would love to do that.
[0:09:25 – 0:09:31] Erik: There’s also, for whatever reason, I think it would be really fun to revisit Homeward Bound.
[0:09:31 – 0:09:32] Erik: Oh.
[0:09:32 – 0:09:33] Adam: Wow, yeah.
[0:09:33 – 0:09:35] Adam: Is there any dialogue in that?
[0:09:35 – 0:09:36] Erik: There’s a lot of dialogue.
[0:09:36 – 0:09:37] Adam: I think I’m thinking of Milo and Otis.
[0:09:37 – 0:09:39] Adam: No, yeah, it’s the opposite of that.
[0:09:39 – 0:09:42] Adam: Yeah, that is zero dialogue or soundtrack.
[0:09:42 – 0:09:45] Adam: Silently watching a kitten and a bulldog.
[0:09:45 – 0:09:47] Erik: Sally Fields as the cat.
[0:09:47 – 0:09:48] Erik: Michael J.
[0:09:48 – 0:09:50] Erik: Fox as the spunky dog Chance.
[0:09:50 – 0:09:57] Erik: I don’t know who voices the old golden retriever, but it’s one of those movies where it’s sort of like a goofy movie.
[0:09:58 – 0:10:03] Erik: Where I’m afraid to revisit it because I will notice why it’s not a great movie and it works just for kids.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:06] Adam: You know, I don’t think I have Fly Away Home on the list either.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:08] Adam: I don’t know why I just thought of that.
[0:10:09 – 0:10:10] Erik: Paquin.
[0:10:11 – 0:10:13] Adam: Paquin at her finest.
[0:10:13 – 0:10:17] Erik: We’ve talked about that movie at a number of different times.
[0:10:17 – 0:10:26] Adam: All right, so I’ve got to find the page on the notebook where all the Tumble Home Cinema Classics ideas are.
[0:10:27 – 0:10:28] Adam: Probably way at the beginning of this notebook.
[0:10:29 – 0:10:31] Erik: Just to finish up the…
[0:10:32 – 0:10:34] Erik: I don’t even know what you want to call this first.
[0:10:34 – 0:10:36] Erik: The amuse-bouche of the episode.
[0:10:38 – 0:10:38] SPEAKER_00: The appetizer.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:46] Erik: In the last couple of weeks, with all the outpouring of support, both emotional for myself, I greatly appreciate it.
[0:10:46 – 0:10:47] Erik: Again, I’m still getting it and…
[0:10:49 – 0:10:50] Erik: I think I’m doing better.
[0:10:50 – 0:10:54] Erik: It’s hard to say, especially with this closure in the Boundary Waters.
[0:10:54 – 0:11:00] Erik: There’s a bit of an ominous feeling around that that I think everybody is feeling.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:06] Erik: But on top of that, along with the patronage on Patreon, the support there,
[0:11:08 – 0:11:26] Erik: A suggestion from a listener who reached out and said, a lot of times the biggest issue with podcasts or any kind of an outfit that is looking to support themselves is that they just don’t ask for it enough.
[0:11:27 – 0:11:29] Erik: And I never really even thought that this was an option.
[0:11:30 – 0:11:34] Erik: But the specifics behind what I’m about to say are,
[0:11:35 – 0:11:39] Erik: Some people don’t really want to go down the Patreon route.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:48] Erik: Some people just want to take the three years of whatever we’ve provided for you.
[0:11:48 – 0:11:56] Erik: And I’ve learned about that in myriad ways that has been overwhelmingly positive.
[0:11:57 – 0:11:57] Erik: And…
[0:11:58 – 0:12:01] Erik: More than anybody saying, uh, you’ll land on your feet.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:02] Erik: You’ll do fine.
[0:12:02 – 0:12:06] Erik: It’s been the comments from people saying, you’re the reason I went on a Bongewatters trip.
[0:12:06 – 0:12:08] Erik: You’re the reason that we were able to have a good time.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:14] Erik: Like that’s been overwhelmingly the most satisfying emails that I’ve gotten from people.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:16] Erik: Um, but.
[0:12:17 – 0:12:24] Erik: Without belaboring the point too much, essentially this person was just saying, throw out what your PayPal is.
[0:12:25 – 0:12:38] Erik: And if people feel like they’re getting value from your podcast, they can take it upon themselves to donate whatever they feel fit for the commensurate value that they deem.
[0:12:38 – 0:12:42] Erik: Because Patreon is set up in so many different levels, right?
[0:12:42 – 0:12:48] Erik: where some people are just not necessarily going to want to do the whole Patreon thing.
[0:12:48 – 0:13:06] Erik: So if you want to donate directly to this podcast, and it is currently my personal email, and that’s just because of the whole security that goes into PayPal and getting that changed to a Tumble Home-related email,
[0:13:07 – 0:13:13] Erik: It is Boundary Waters adjacent, though, so I’m not asking for donations, but I’m just throwing it out there.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:25] Erik: If that’s something that you feel that you want to provide support for, the Patreon account is goquetico at gmail.com.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:27] Adam: Oh, yeah, we’re doing it.
[0:13:27 – 0:13:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:29 – 0:13:32] Adam: Yeah, please forget applying to be the Waken Baker.
[0:13:33 – 0:13:37] Adam: Actually, just, you know, if you’re a millionaire, a millionaire is listening.
[0:13:37 – 0:13:44] Adam: If Trent Reznor is listening to the show, we’re big fans, you know, just donate enough so we can so I can quit my job.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:46] Adam: Let’s just make this happen as a full time job.
[0:13:48 – 0:13:59] Adam: You can either do it anonymously or we will sing your praises as a proud independent podcast brought to you by the Koch Brothers and PepsiCo.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:01] Erik: Anybody can donate.
[0:14:01 – 0:14:04] Adam: Even corporate masters can donate to this show.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:09] Adam: I will gladly accept donations from anybody if it means I can quit my job.
[0:14:10 – 0:14:13] Erik: That will now be a link in the show notes.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:15] Erik: That’s goquetico at gmail.com.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:20] Erik: G-O-Q-U-E-T-I-C-O.
[0:14:20 – 0:14:21] Erik: Like the park.
[0:14:21 – 0:14:22] Erik: Go Quetico.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:23] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:23 – 0:14:24] Erik: So we’ll see.
[0:14:24 – 0:14:25] Erik: Just throwing it out there.
[0:14:25 – 0:14:28] Erik: It can’t hurt if I’m asking too much.
[0:14:28 – 0:14:32] Erik: I didn’t ever think after doing this podcast for three years that that would be a thing.
[0:14:33 – 0:14:36] Erik: But I also do find myself no longer gainfully employed.
[0:14:37 – 0:14:37] Erik: So…
[0:14:39 – 0:14:48] Adam: um don’t worry though we have a nice shed yes so you know we got that going for us which is nice so we could quit our jobs and not have a wilderness to paddle
[0:14:49 – 0:14:50] Adam: Yeah, for now.
[0:14:50 – 0:14:50] Adam: For now.
[0:14:51 – 0:14:54] Adam: We quit our jobs and start making a lot more YouTube videos, that’s for sure.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:55] Erik: Sure.
[0:14:56 – 0:14:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:56 – 0:15:03] Erik: As of right now, we basically only have enough time to get together for an evening once a week.
[0:15:04 – 0:15:06] Erik: It’s shed night.
[0:15:06 – 0:15:07] Erik: There’s shed night.
[0:15:08 – 0:15:15] Erik: I did some elocutions on the trail today, which was fun and fine, but it’s not the same as bouncing ideas off…
[0:15:15 – 0:15:17] Erik: You at all.
[0:15:17 – 0:15:19] Adam: My brain is sharp as a tack right now.
[0:15:20 – 0:15:23] Adam: What are you giving this Oberon in a mini keg, Eric?
[0:15:24 – 0:15:25] Erik: Oberon in the mini keg?
[0:15:25 – 0:15:27] Erik: I’m giving it 10 out of 10s.
[0:15:28 – 0:15:30] Erik: We’re draining it to the bottom.
[0:15:30 – 0:15:31] Adam: No doubt.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:33] Adam: I’m giving it 10 out of 10.
[0:15:33 – 0:15:34] Adam: I’m thirsty as hells.
[0:15:38 – 0:15:39] Erik: Well, one chalice down.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:41] Adam: I do have to work tomorrow.
[0:15:41 – 0:15:42] Adam: I am not even kidding.
[0:15:42 – 0:15:43] Adam: I am baking tomorrow.
[0:15:44 – 0:15:45] Erik: So I got to be in super early.
[0:15:46 – 0:15:48] Adam: It sounds like an early… My scones today turned out pretty nice.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:50] SPEAKER_00: Nice and dry.
[0:15:50 – 0:15:51] SPEAKER_00: As a scone should.
[0:15:53 – 0:15:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:54 – 0:16:01] Adam: Coming up later on the show, of course, we are finally getting into the discussion on how do you handle a fire ban?
[0:16:02 – 0:16:06] Adam: We can also have a tertiary discussion on how do you handle the entire boundary waters being closed?
[0:16:07 – 0:16:08] Adam: We waited too long.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:14] Adam: We got a lot of responses we’re going to get to for sure.
[0:16:15 – 0:16:19] Adam: And, yeah, I can’t wait to talk about Jaws, and I can’t wait to talk about the tunes later.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:26] Adam: I couldn’t find the page on all the movie ideas, so I just added them to the notes here.
[0:16:28 – 0:16:29] Adam: But don’t worry.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:35] Adam: I do have what is now just going to be a weekly segment on Tumble Home.
[0:16:35 – 0:16:35] Adam: It’s your…
[0:16:38 – 0:16:59] Erik: fire update sizzler update update me because i have no idea i like i said i literally learned after hiking and suggesting on the elocutions that it seems too dry maybe close things down yeah coming off of that hike to trail center where there was just a chalkboard on the stairs that said bwca is closed i’m like
[0:16:59 – 0:17:00] Erik: Dang, that’s ominous.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:11] Adam: Yeah, friend of the show and friend of life, Matt, sent me a text message today at work and then a screen grab from Twitter at Ely Echo.
[0:17:12 – 0:17:14] Adam: Anybody out there following the Ely Echo on Twitter?
[0:17:15 – 0:17:17] Adam: Did you imagine your life was going to turn out this way?
[0:17:17 – 0:17:18] Adam: No.
[0:17:19 – 0:17:19] Adam: Affirmed.
[0:17:20 – 0:17:22] Adam: BWCA will close today.
[0:17:22 – 0:17:26] Adam: Refunds are being processed for permits beginning August 21st.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:28] Adam: Multiple fires and extreme drought.
[0:17:29 – 0:17:31] Adam: So that’s the first screen grab.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:32] Adam: And then I do have a real…
[0:17:33 – 0:17:38] Adam: I got the latest fire updates from the Superior National Forest Facebook page.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:42] Adam: Their actual website’s still not updated, but who needs it?
[0:17:42 – 0:17:43] Adam: Facebook’s great.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:48] Adam: A shining beacon for information and enlightenment.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:53] Adam: First, I’m going to give you the update, Eric, for the John Elk fire.
[0:17:54 – 0:17:55] Adam: You familiar with John Elk?
[0:17:56 – 0:17:57] Erik: Is it John Elk or John Eck?
[0:17:58 – 0:18:01] Adam: Oh, this is saying John Elk, but I know there is.
[0:18:02 – 0:18:08] Adam: We’ve discussed this because of the loop trip we did over here, but even on this big map, it is listed as the John Elk Lake.
[0:18:08 – 0:18:11] Adam: It is flowing upwards north towards Elton.
[0:18:12 – 0:18:21] Adam: The John Elk fire left its three-acre footprint and grew rapidly yesterday on the 20th after another day of hot, dry weather and gusty winds.
[0:18:21 – 0:18:22] SPEAKER_00: Gusty.
[0:18:22 – 0:18:22] SPEAKER_00: Oh.
[0:18:23 – 0:18:25] Adam: Shh.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:41] Adam: Saturday’s reconnaissance flight reports the size at 1,500 acres in a narrow cigar shape from John Elk to the southeast corner of Elton, south of Little Sag, in the BWCA Wilderness.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:50] Adam: Just going to note here that they put the acronym BWCA all in caps and then also added the full word WILDERNESS.
[0:18:51 – 0:18:54] Adam: So it’s the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness.
[0:18:55 – 0:18:55] Adam: Right.
[0:18:55 – 0:18:56] Adam: But they spelled out wilderness.
[0:18:56 – 0:18:57] Adam: Sometimes you see it.
[0:18:58 – 0:18:59] Erik: Yes, BWCAW.
[0:19:00 – 0:19:00] Adam: Yeah, whatever.
[0:19:01 – 0:19:07] Adam: Ground suppression activities are still not possible due to the difficult access and firefighters’ safety concerns.
[0:19:07 – 0:19:12] Adam: Fire-suppressing aircraft continue to drop water and to try and limit the spread.
[0:19:12 – 0:19:21] Adam: Yesterday, wilderness ranger crews and a beaver float plane made contact with visitors on several lakes, including Little Sag, Mora, and Crooked.
[0:19:21 – 0:19:28] Adam: More wilderness ranger crews and float planes will be used today to notify campers and sweep the area of visitors.
[0:19:29 – 0:19:30] Adam: There you go.
[0:19:30 – 0:19:30] Adam: There’s a picture for you.
[0:19:30 – 0:19:34] Erik: That’s such an insane operation I was thinking about.
[0:19:34 – 0:19:34] Adam: Get them out of here.
[0:19:35 – 0:19:38] Erik: The entire wilderness of people out there camping?
[0:19:38 – 0:19:48] Adam: There might be a misconception that they’re closing the boundary waters to keep people out of there so they don’t accidentally start a fire or purposely start a fire due to just thinking they’re above the law.
[0:19:49 – 0:19:50] Adam: That’s not what it’s all about.
[0:19:50 – 0:19:52] Adam: They’re just getting people out of there.
[0:19:52 – 0:19:55] Adam: There’s so many fires going right now in so many corners of the park.
[0:19:56 – 0:20:00] Adam: They’re literally just getting people out of there so they don’t have to waste resources doing that kind of mop-up stuff.
[0:20:00 – 0:20:01] Erik: Resource management.
[0:20:02 – 0:20:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:20:02 – 0:20:04] Adam: I thought they were also going to give us an update on the WELP.
[0:20:05 – 0:20:09] Adam: which is featured from north of the Lady Chain here.
[0:20:09 – 0:20:11] Adam: We’re west of Alton.
[0:20:12 – 0:20:20] Adam: Whelp Creek flows into, I don’t know, the Phoebe River, I guess, in between Hazel and Night.
[0:20:22 – 0:20:26] Adam: I’ve never noticed there’s a night lake in the middle of the lady chain there.
[0:20:26 – 0:20:28] Adam: Yeah, we’ve got to protect the ladies.
[0:20:28 – 0:20:30] Erik: Yes, got to protect those ladies.
[0:20:30 – 0:20:33] Adam: Welp’s in the middle of nowhere here in no man’s land.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:40] Adam: No ladies land out here in the middle of the Laos River to Phoebe River loop that we did back in the day.
[0:20:41 – 0:20:49] Adam: So apparently that’s pushing north and they had already closed the whole Laos River area and pretty much everything north of Alton and Sawbill to the west.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:52] Adam: And now that’s all closed, obviously, as well.
[0:20:53 – 0:20:56] Adam: So that whole, like, middle section, there’s a couple fires going there.
[0:20:56 – 0:20:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:20:57 – 0:21:01] Adam: And then, you know, of course, all this stuff up in Quetico back crooked.
[0:21:02 – 0:21:09] Erik: Yeah, I was up at the end of the trail doing a magnetic rock hike, and there were some scary winds today.
[0:21:10 – 0:21:11] Erik: No.
[0:21:11 – 0:21:12] Erik: I mean, it felt…
[0:21:12 – 0:21:13] Erik: It was crazy.
[0:21:13 – 0:21:20] Erik: It was cooler and it had that fall feel, but the winds were consistently blowing, I would say, 20 at least.
[0:21:21 – 0:21:22] Erik: Seagull was ripping.
[0:21:23 – 0:21:29] Erik: But the Seagull Beach, it looked like, because the water is so low, it looked like it was low tide.
[0:21:29 – 0:21:30] Erik: Oh, weird.
[0:21:30 – 0:21:35] Erik: Where it was just like an inch of water on sand for 50 yards.
[0:21:35 – 0:21:36] Erik: Looking for clams.
[0:21:37 – 0:21:38] Erik: Yeah, get in there and start digging.
[0:21:38 – 0:21:40] Adam: Digging some clams out there on Seagull.
[0:21:41 – 0:21:48] Adam: Yeah, I would have been out on seagull camping with my father and stepmother and brother this week.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:50] Adam: Had that trip not gotten canceled.
[0:21:50 – 0:21:55] Adam: Yeah, I talked to a buddy who just came in off the Clearwater Loop trip literally yesterday.
[0:21:55 – 0:21:57] Adam: Like, whew, you just eked her out.
[0:21:58 – 0:21:58] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:58 – 0:21:59] Adam: John eked.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:01] SPEAKER_00: John eked.
[0:22:02 – 0:22:25] Adam: uh yeah uh it’s nuts out there it seemed to me like on the big lake it was coming out of the south kind of blowing inland but i was still smelling smoke anyways in town like heavily off and on like heavy smoke but like no haze people are on edge and like i’ve heard like multiple people today talking about how they have like evacuation plans ready and that can be out of my place in an hour and so forth if i have to it’s like okay
[0:22:25 – 0:22:31] Adam: I’ve never really thought about that being so close down to the big lake, but fire could strike at any moment.
[0:22:31 – 0:22:33] Adam: There was some lightning last night for sure.
[0:22:33 – 0:22:34] Adam: I think that’s part of what had people on edge.
[0:22:35 – 0:22:37] Adam: We got a little bit of rain, but it was mostly just lightning.
[0:22:37 – 0:22:38] Erik: Yeah, a bad kind of rain.
[0:22:39 – 0:22:40] Erik: More ignition types.
[0:22:40 – 0:22:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:43] Erik: Yeah, I’m not evacuating.
[0:22:43 – 0:22:44] Erik: I’ll die at my house.
[0:22:44 – 0:22:46] Erik: I’m going to hunker down.
[0:22:47 – 0:22:47] Adam: Only the brave.
[0:22:47 – 0:22:49] Adam: We’ve got to add only the brave to the list.
[0:22:50 – 0:22:50] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:50 – 0:22:53] Erik: I mean, in my house, there’s not a tree within, like,
[0:22:56 – 0:23:13] Erik: uh 75 yards of my house which makes it very windy but also it’s probably not going to catch on fire all right say that now cut to me in my yard shouldn’t have said that knock on a oberon barrel i got a bunch of hoses
[0:23:16 – 0:23:22] Adam: All right, next up on Fire Update, your new favorite segment on Tumble Home.
[0:23:22 – 0:23:25] Adam: Pushing into minute 23 here on this episode.
[0:23:25 – 0:23:26] Erik: Get to the meat.
[0:23:26 – 0:23:28] Adam: We’re never going to get to the meat ever again.
[0:23:29 – 0:23:56] Erik: the greenwood fire update which i guess was like literally just starting up when we were recording last week in the shed that one’s the crazy one that i heard about uh the uh kennel that i used to work at having to evacuate all that was the first thing i thought about when i saw where that yes i was like what are they gonna do with all those dogs there’s like 100 dogs over there page are you listening what are you doing it sounds like they got all the dogs and they’re all safe but still just that i mean that property where do you take that many dogs
[0:23:58 – 0:24:24] Adam: different kennels in the area it’s a lot to keep track of hey i know this is a update as of i don’t know it says six hours but i’m gonna say this is updated as of seven hours ago thank you acreage as of today this is the 21st oh we never did do the uh ron share we’ll get to that after the fire update 30 minute ron cares you can put the ron share update wherever you want sneak it in
[0:24:26 – 0:24:28] Adam: Acreage, 9,067 now.
[0:24:29 – 0:24:29] Erik: Damn.
[0:24:29 – 0:24:31] Adam: Percent containment, 0%.
[0:24:31 – 0:24:32] Adam: That’s good.
[0:24:33 – 0:24:39] Adam: Yesterday in the afternoon, the fire spotted outside the west perimeter in an area southwest of Stony Lake.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:45] Adam: The fire paralleled Highway 2 before crossing the highway and making a significant four-mile run to the north.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:51] Adam: The fire grew from 4,700 acres to an estimated area of 9,067 acres.
[0:24:52 – 0:24:57] Adam: Once the fire moved across Highway 2, it crossed a management action point which triggered evacuations.
[0:24:58 – 0:25:05] Adam: The Lake County Sheriff’s Department coordinated evacuations in the vicinity of Jackpot East and West Chubb Lakes and Slate Lake.
[0:25:06 – 0:25:09] Adam: Operations staff will be in the field today.
[0:25:09 – 0:25:09] Adam: That’s today.
[0:25:09 – 0:25:12] Adam: If you’re listening to this on Sunday, that was yesterday.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:23] Adam: To assess the growth of the fire, operations will emphasize reinforcing the southern line and the area of the Highway 2 corridor and the McDougal Lake area.
[0:25:23 – 0:25:26] Adam: You ever seen McDougal Lake in the springtime, Eric?
[0:25:27 – 0:25:27] Adam: It’s gorgeous.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:41] Erik: Yeah, we used to go over there when I would run dogs, and there were a few cabins on that lake that participants would stay at that I would meet and prepare them dinner and talk about what their dog sledding trip was going to look like.
[0:25:41 – 0:25:44] Erik: So, yeah, I actually am kind of familiar with that area.
[0:25:44 – 0:25:48] Erik: I feel bad for anybody looking down the barrel of the gun over there.
[0:25:48 – 0:25:49] Erik: I can’t even imagine…
[0:25:51 – 0:26:02] Erik: I know people come to this podcast and I find myself coming to this podcast as somebody who records it for a bit of a reprieve and a bit of a break.
[0:26:02 – 0:26:09] Erik: And man, just the whole, it feels like everything that’s spiraling out of control in the world up to this point, we were insulated from that.
[0:26:10 – 0:26:18] Erik: And for whatever reason, it feels like it’s touching the Boundary Waters and our homes and others, friends of mine, people that I know.
[0:26:18 – 0:26:21] Erik: in very real and serious ways.
[0:26:21 – 0:26:27] Erik: And it’s just kind of on top of everything else that I’m experiencing, like, got me just all out of sorts.
[0:26:27 – 0:26:30] Erik: I know, like you said, that it felt like everybody was kind of
[0:26:30 – 0:26:31] Erik: Everybody’s on edge.
[0:26:31 – 0:26:45] Erik: A little on edge in town and like sort of like everybody’s kind of going through the motions of like a tourist summer, but everybody kind of also knows like, I don’t know how many more times I can reference the meme.
[0:26:46 – 0:26:47] Erik: It’s the dog.
[0:26:47 – 0:26:48] Erik: This is fine.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:53] Erik: We are literally the dog in the kitchen surrounded by fire.
[0:26:54 – 0:26:54] Adam: We are the dog.
[0:26:55 – 0:26:59] Adam: The Oberon minikeg is the little derby hat and everything else is the fire.
[0:27:00 – 0:27:02] Erik: Uh, yeah, uh, it’s, uh, I mean…
[0:27:05 – 0:27:12] Adam: Yeah, I mean, August has been a waking nightmare in a lot of ways on top of a bunch of other BS and baloney.
[0:27:13 – 0:27:15] Adam: But, you know, one day at a time.
[0:27:16 – 0:27:16] Erik: One day at a time.
[0:27:16 – 0:27:18] Adam: Every day is precious.
[0:27:18 – 0:27:23] Adam: I usually save this for the end of the show, but I feel like we’ve got to inject a little positivity into the show.
[0:27:23 – 0:27:23] Erik: Yeah.
[0:27:24 – 0:27:31] Adam: Every day is precious, and life is a miracle, and we’re lucky to be here right now.
[0:27:31 – 0:27:31] Adam: Yeah.
[0:27:32 – 0:27:33] Adam: We’re going to make it through this.
[0:27:34 – 0:27:40] Adam: But it does feel a little bit like the world is burning to ashes around us.
[0:27:40 – 0:27:40] Erik: Yes.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:50] Erik: And just, I don’t know, this one last little bit of perspective from my point of view is I read an article about the…
[0:27:52 – 0:27:54] Erik: It’s so stupid because I should know what the name of it is.
[0:27:55 – 0:27:58] Erik: But I know that the initials are JW.
[0:27:58 – 0:28:01] Erik: I think it’s James Webb, space JW.
[0:28:01 – 0:28:23] Erik: telescope that’s going up that’s definitely right but i whenever i see the acronym i just think uh james woods the actor right and to put it just for to put it in perspective that telescope if everything goes successfully is going to be able to look uh like 13.5 billion years into the past
[0:28:24 – 0:28:24] Erik: Right.
[0:28:24 – 0:28:25] Erik: That’s how time works.
[0:28:25 – 0:28:30] Erik: Almost towards what the beginning of the universe looked like.
[0:28:32 – 0:28:33] Adam: What do you think we’re going to find?
[0:28:33 – 0:28:34] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:28:34 – 0:28:40] Erik: They’re going to be able to look super far and super close and start studying exoplanets and stuff.
[0:28:40 – 0:28:42] Erik: But it’s the super distant…
[0:28:42 – 0:29:06] Erik: aspect that if there is any and i know it’s a bit of a cop-out but like a calming notion to know that there are still stars out there that we are seeing they’re that old they may not they may not still be there but they 13.5 billion years of light is still heading our way yeah it would be yeah what if all of a sudden it just went dark out there
[0:29:07 – 0:29:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:08] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:29:08 – 0:29:25] Erik: So just the perspective of time is, I guess at this point, the only thing that’s comforting me to know that, you know, my immediate problems and everybody else’s and including the boundary waters, which I think at the end of the day is still a good thing.
[0:29:25 – 0:29:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:26 – 0:29:27] Erik: I think fire is a good thing.
[0:29:27 – 0:29:28] Adam: Yeah, it’s natural, honestly.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:30] Adam: We’ve learned that.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:33] Adam: Too bad if somebody’s cabin on McDougal gets burned.
[0:29:34 – 0:29:37] Adam: Fire is a natural and constant part of a forest.
[0:29:37 – 0:29:39] Adam: You cannot have a forest without the fire.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:39] Erik: Right.
[0:29:40 – 0:29:42] Adam: It would be like having rain without the lightning.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:51] Erik: It’s also, I mean, there is also a part of like an extreme drought that is a bit sad just for the trees, the plants, and the animals.
[0:29:51 – 0:29:52] Erik: They’re all going to take a hit.
[0:29:52 – 0:29:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:54 – 0:29:56] Erik: Some of them aren’t going to, they’re not going to make it back.
[0:29:57 – 0:30:03] Adam: Anybody out there listening on Beetlejuice?
[0:30:03 – 0:30:05] Adam: 13,000 billion years in the past?
[0:30:06 – 0:30:08] Adam: Is that how podcasts work?
[0:30:08 – 0:30:11] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know if we’re going out into the radio waves, but we should be.
[0:30:11 – 0:30:15] Adam: Yeah, we need to get an AM antenna on the top of this shed.
[0:30:15 – 0:30:20] Adam: Anyways, they did determine that the Greenwood was caused by a lightning strike.
[0:30:21 – 0:30:24] Adam: That concludes the fire-up.
[0:30:25 – 0:30:49] Adam: for this week’s show i hope it’s not actually a weekly thing we got to keep doing but it does seem like it’s going to be a weekly thing for some time yeah and uh i don’t know it is sort of fascinating to track it i’m also like simultaneously tracking uh you know cyclones and hurricanes and whatnot uh i don’t know it’s just it’s scary but it is fascinating to the wonder of and power of nature
[0:30:49 – 0:31:13] Adam: yeah yes you know we’re just a small little rock flying around a insignificant star you know in a in a very vast universe yeah getting uh very uh profound on this episode um anyways if anybody wants to donate any bitcoin to the show you can hit eric up on paypal i don’t know does paypal take bitcoin
[0:31:14 – 0:31:43] Adam: they should if you don’t you can send it to the co-op thank you to all the people that have been dropping off beer and garden fresh tomatoes at the co-op it’s been amazing this meeting and talking with a lot of people I did get a refresh on my sticker supply so come on down to the Cook County co-op and starve your corporate masters as long as I’m still working there definitely want to come on in and get some of these scones tomorrow morning
[0:31:44 – 0:32:06] Erik: well i’m listening to this is probably too late the scones are probably gone i’m glad you’re getting a taste of that it felt a little one uh one-sided for a while there where it was almost becoming uh you know nonchalant for me right yeah yeah some more beer whatever and uh for you to get to experience that is great because it was one of those things that was like this is so crazy
[0:32:06 – 0:32:18] Adam: It’s wild that people listen, and it’s wild that people think that they want to come and donate refreshments to the show and everything, but I’ll never get used to signing babies with a Sharpie.
[0:32:18 – 0:32:19] Adam: You signed babies?
[0:32:19 – 0:32:21] Adam: I signed a couple babies this week with a Sharpie.
[0:32:21 – 0:32:22] Adam: It’s wild.
[0:32:22 – 0:32:26] Adam: I don’t think anybody would ever want my signature, but you know.
[0:32:28 – 0:32:29] Adam: This is the life of the mind.
[0:32:30 – 0:32:31] Adam: I’ll show you the life of the mind.
[0:32:31 – 0:32:33] Adam: Yeah, we kind of had that on there.
[0:32:33 – 0:32:34] Adam: Yeah.
[0:32:34 – 0:32:35] Adam: All right.
[0:32:35 – 0:32:37] Adam: Are you ready to get into the meat?
[0:32:37 – 0:32:37] Erik: I guess.
[0:32:38 – 0:32:39] Erik: Boy, this might be the latest meat.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:43] Adam: Throw the ham steak on, Eric.
[0:32:43 – 0:32:44] Erik: Oh, we should have thrown it on 10 minutes ago.
[0:32:45 – 0:32:49] Erik: It’s going to be a while before we get a nice crisp brown edge on that.
[0:32:49 – 0:32:51] Erik: But yeah, I think it’s still applicable for us to have this conversation.
[0:32:52 – 0:32:53] Erik: You know, who knows?
[0:32:54 – 0:32:57] Erik: It could be a week and we get a bunch of rain.
[0:32:57 – 0:32:58] Erik: They get a handle on fires.
[0:32:58 – 0:32:59] Erik: The place is open back up.
[0:33:00 – 0:33:02] Erik: Maybe not having campfires be allowed.
[0:33:03 – 0:33:06] Erik: Or maybe somebody’s listening to this two years in the future.
[0:33:07 – 0:33:34] Adam: when there is another fire ban and it’s gonna be a yearly thing now well it could be but we also did go like the planet is burning and we’re cooking alive you ever feel like you’re a bug’s bunny in a big old pot with a couple carrots just on a fire except for you actually can’t jump out at the end was that bug’s bunny i think so bug’s bunny albert fudd was always trying to cook bug’s bunny
[0:33:35 – 0:33:36] Erik: Well, oh, yeah, I get you.
[0:33:36 – 0:33:37] Erik: And he wasn’t realizing.
[0:33:38 – 0:33:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:38 – 0:33:39] Erik: No, it was just a little.
[0:33:39 – 0:33:41] Adam: Just lounging in the tub eating carrots.
[0:33:42 – 0:33:44] Erik: You don’t cook rabbits with the hair on them.
[0:33:44 – 0:33:45] Adam: You really shouldn’t.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:46] Adam: You really shouldn’t.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:49] Adam: That’s, you know, there’s better ways.
[0:33:50 – 0:33:51] Erik: I think that there are much better ways.
[0:33:51 – 0:33:53] Erik: And rabbits slash hares, they skin easily.
[0:33:55 – 0:33:55] Erik: Almost too easily.
[0:33:56 – 0:33:58] Erik: I mean, just pull out that shotgun, Elmer.
[0:33:59 – 0:33:59] Erik: Give him a blast.
[0:33:59 – 0:34:01] Adam: There’s a grouse of the ground.
[0:34:01 – 0:34:02] Adam: Ground grouse.
[0:34:02 – 0:34:03] Erik: Right between the ears.
[0:34:04 – 0:34:05] Erik: Brother Andrew style.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:08] Adam: Brother Andrew, are you listening?
[0:34:08 – 0:34:10] Adam: Remember when you got that rabbit?
[0:34:11 – 0:34:12] Adam: It’s the only rabbit I’ve ever eaten.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:15] Adam: It was Trey Tasty Ammo.
[0:34:16 – 0:34:21] Adam: Yeah, this week on the show, we’re talking about how do you handle the fire ban?
[0:34:21 – 0:34:22] Adam: Do you even go?
[0:34:22 – 0:34:24] Adam: Do you bring a stove?
[0:34:25 – 0:34:25] Adam: Glow sticks?
[0:34:26 – 0:34:30] Adam: What’s your approach when you can’t have a campfire and camp?
[0:34:30 – 0:34:33] Adam: Is camping even camping without a campfire?
[0:34:34 – 0:34:35] Adam: Yeah, exactly.
[0:34:35 – 0:34:36] Adam: Those questions and many more.
[0:34:36 – 0:34:38] Adam: How many responses do we have on the subreddit?
[0:34:38 – 0:34:42] Adam: We are on our Tumble Homecast page.
[0:34:42 – 0:34:44] Adam: How many responses do we have to this?
[0:34:44 – 0:34:47] Adam: I feel like we posted this question about six weeks ago.
[0:34:47 – 0:34:48] Erik: A month ago.
[0:34:48 – 0:34:49] Erik: At least.
[0:34:49 – 0:34:49] Erik: 32 responses.
[0:34:49 – 0:34:51] Erik: I don’t know how many of the… 32 comments.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:53] Erik: Some of those could be responses, you know?
[0:34:55 – 0:34:57] Erik: Just my quick personal experience.
[0:34:57 – 0:35:01] Erik: Last night, we had a lantern in camp, and it has the red setting.
[0:35:01 – 0:35:01] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:01 – 0:35:02] Erik: And so we turned it to red.
[0:35:03 – 0:35:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:04] Erik: And…
[0:35:05 – 0:35:08] Erik: Kind of felt like, you know, you’re sitting around a communal light.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:11] Erik: Like, and we were camped outside of the boundary water.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:18] Erik: So we, we had cans and we were joking like the whole time as we were drinking, we would throw cans towards it and be like, yeah, that’ll burn.
[0:35:20 – 0:35:21] Erik: That’ll be gone in the morning for sure.
[0:35:21 – 0:35:22] Erik: It’s hot enough.
[0:35:22 – 0:35:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:22 – 0:35:25] Adam: Please don’t burn your cans in the fake red light.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:35] Erik: It did make it, it was very ominous, but it also, it’s better than just like sitting around with headlamps where you’re blinding each other.
[0:35:35 – 0:35:35] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:36] Adam: I like that.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:37 – 0:35:39] Adam: You know, a lantern can be fun.
[0:35:41 – 0:35:42] Adam: But yeah, it’s, it’s tough.
[0:35:42 – 0:35:44] Adam: You know, people want that campfire.
[0:35:45 – 0:35:46] Erik: Exactly.
[0:35:46 – 0:35:46] Erik: I want it.
[0:35:46 – 0:35:47] Adam: But I don’t know.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:53] Adam: On the other hand, this time of year when it’s 88 degrees in the middle of the day and not really that…
[0:35:53 – 0:35:54] Adam: It ain’t going to really cool off at night.
[0:35:55 – 0:35:59] Adam: There are nights like our last night on that trip out on Ensign where I just…
[0:35:59 – 0:36:00] Adam: I don’t want a fire.
[0:36:00 – 0:36:01] Adam: That was hot.
[0:36:01 – 0:36:03] Adam: That’s the last thing I want is a fire.
[0:36:03 – 0:36:03] Adam: But…
[0:36:04 – 0:36:07] Adam: On the other hand, it is called a campfire reason.
[0:36:07 – 0:36:09] Adam: I want to have a campfire when I’m camping usually.
[0:36:09 – 0:36:11] Adam: And it’s a real bummer when you can’t.
[0:36:11 – 0:36:14] Adam: How many people do you think cancel a trip on something like this?
[0:36:14 – 0:36:17] Adam: Your experience as a recovering outfitter.
[0:36:17 – 0:36:19] Adam: Recovering outfitter.
[0:36:19 – 0:36:22] Adam: How many people cancel when you get a fire ban going?
[0:36:23 – 0:36:25] Erik: Not as many as I seem to remember.
[0:36:25 – 0:36:29] Erik: And it has been like 10 years since a proper full fire ban like the one we’re currently in.
[0:36:30 – 0:36:33] Adam: Yeah, you never really see the fire band going in the cool seasons.
[0:36:33 – 0:36:33] Adam: No.
[0:36:33 – 0:36:37] Adam: It always feels like it’s in the middle of summer, so it’s like, well, what’s the big deal?
[0:36:37 – 0:36:37] Adam: Bring a lantern.
[0:36:37 – 0:36:39] Adam: Bring some LED party lights.
[0:36:39 – 0:36:40] Adam: We’re going to have a hoot.
[0:36:40 – 0:36:44] Erik: I think it’s mostly what else do you do with that time?
[0:36:45 – 0:36:47] Erik: I’m not out procuring firewood.
[0:36:47 – 0:36:49] Erik: I’m not processing it to get into the fire.
[0:36:49 – 0:36:49] Erik: That is nice.
[0:36:50 – 0:36:53] Erik: I’m also not tending to it as I’m cooking.
[0:36:54 – 0:37:01] Erik: So like the whole kitchen and meal at the end of the day process, that changes and the amount of time that you have to do that.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:11] Erik: So I think we’ll get into the comments here, but I think one of the bigger questions that maybe some of the listeners on Tumble Homecast on Reddit…
[0:37:12 – 0:37:14] Erik: We’re closing in on 600.
[0:37:15 – 0:37:21] Erik: Didn’t break the Squatcho guarantee for eating a hat.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:24] Erik: But maybe some of them will…
[0:37:26 – 0:37:51] Erik: illuminate maybe the question that i would have is like what else what do you do with that time then especially as the days grow shorter you know with the amount of you know even right now 808 yeah i’m not ready to hit the hay at 8 30 maybe 9 30 10 oh it is 808 we never did get to the ranchera well see we snuck it in there 808 is the sunset today it is uh august 21st 2021 21 21
[0:37:54 – 0:37:56] Adam: Today is Ron Scherr Outdoor Calendar Fact of the Day.
[0:37:56 – 0:37:57] Adam: Buried.
[0:37:58 – 0:37:58] Adam: Deep.
[0:37:59 – 0:37:59] Adam: Deeply buried.
[0:37:59 – 0:38:05] Adam: Just like this outdoor calendar fact is Lunker Pike are looking for a feast.
[0:38:06 – 0:38:06] Erik: Wow.
[0:38:07 – 0:38:08] Adam: I like that one.
[0:38:08 – 0:38:08] Adam: Yeah.
[0:38:08 – 0:38:11] Adam: They’re down there deep at the thermocline right now.
[0:38:12 – 0:38:15] Adam: Just like this Ron Scherr Outdoor Calendar Fact of the Day.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:16] Adam: Thank you, Ron.
[0:38:16 – 0:38:18] Erik: The thermocline of the episode?
[0:38:18 – 0:38:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:38:19 – 0:38:19] SPEAKER_00: Ooh, I like that.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:21] Adam: Yeah.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:22] Adam: Yes, indeed.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:32] Erik: Well, and as the waters cool, the nights grow longer, the Ron Scherr calendar fact of the day will rise towards the beginning of the episode.
[0:38:32 – 0:38:34] Adam: Until you get Ron turnover.
[0:38:36 – 0:38:37] Erik: When does Ron turn over?
[0:38:39 – 0:38:43] Adam: If the lake’s looking quite murky, that means you’ve got Sherrod.
[0:38:43 – 0:38:45] Adam: You’ve got Sherrod.
[0:38:45 – 0:38:47] Adam: The bass aren’t going to hit for at least a week.
[0:38:48 – 0:38:48] Adam: No.
[0:38:48 – 0:38:50] Adam: You’ve disrupted the entire ecosystem.
[0:38:52 – 0:38:53] Erik: Well, it’s been a while since we’ve read comments.
[0:38:54 – 0:39:01] Erik: We’ve been in a bit of a moment on this podcast, and I’m looking forward to getting back to responses from listeners.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:03] Erik: Let’s do it.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:09] Erik: Time for the meat.
[0:39:10 – 0:39:11] Erik: Here comes some meat.
[0:39:11 – 0:39:13] Erik: You, I, been tired.
[0:39:14 – 0:39:21] Erik: With so much planning and anticipation involved with a BWCA trip, I don’t think I would cancel.
[0:39:21 – 0:39:25] Erik: It would be a bummer for sure to not have fires, but not a deal breaker for me.
[0:39:26 – 0:39:28] Erik: I’d just have to enjoy the stars more.
[0:39:29 – 0:39:33] Erik: I think packing in additional fuel might kind of suck, but…
[0:39:33 – 0:39:40] Erik: Having only one trip under my belt, my wilderness packing skills are probably laughable anyway.
[0:39:42 – 0:39:43] Erik: Yeah, the aspect of the stars.
[0:39:44 – 0:39:45] Adam: Yeah.
[0:39:46 – 0:39:46] Erik: Come on.
[0:39:46 – 0:39:50] Erik: You just have to turn your attention elsewhere.
[0:39:50 – 0:39:52] Adam: Outward, like the James Webb telescope.
[0:39:52 – 0:39:53] Adam: Like the James Woods.
[0:39:53 – 0:39:54] Adam: Look back in time.
[0:39:54 – 0:39:55] Adam: Don’t look deep.
[0:39:55 – 0:39:56] Adam: Don’t look into the flames.
[0:39:57 – 0:39:58] Adam: Look outward.
[0:39:58 – 0:39:59] Erik: Look outward.
[0:39:59 – 0:40:00] Erik: There’s so much more.
[0:40:00 – 0:40:01] Erik: Look at the Buddha.
[0:40:01 – 0:40:02] Erik: There is still more to see.
[0:40:03 – 0:40:05] Erik: Not that watching wood burn isn’t great.
[0:40:06 – 0:40:09] Adam: That’s another way to achieve singularity, no doubt.
[0:40:09 – 0:40:12] Adam: Next up on the show, are we online right now?
[0:40:12 – 0:40:14] Erik: We are actually currently online.
[0:40:14 – 0:40:15] Adam: Awesome.
[0:40:15 – 0:40:16] Adam: We’ve got internet here in the shed.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:18] Adam: We have pretty good internet here in the shed.
[0:40:19 – 0:40:21] Adam: Next up on the show, great friend of the show.
[0:40:21 – 0:40:23] Erik: Whatever Adobe says, do say no.
[0:40:24 – 0:40:24] Erik: What?
[0:40:26 – 0:40:28] Adam: It’s asking me to update Adobe?
[0:40:28 – 0:40:29] Adam: No, don’t.
[0:40:29 – 0:40:31] Adam: Oh, I think we should.
[0:40:33 – 0:40:34] Adam: It’s pinwheeling.
[0:40:34 – 0:40:38] Adam: Next up on the show with 10 bags of wine, great friend of the show, Ghost of Ann Abbey.
[0:40:40 – 0:40:41] Adam: One minute ago?
[0:40:41 – 0:40:42] SPEAKER_00: I don’t think so.
[0:40:42 – 0:40:43] Adam: Good point.
[0:40:43 – 0:40:43] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:01 – 0:41:04] Adam: We barely have fires when it’s warm anyway.
[0:41:05 – 0:41:09] Adam: If it’s a pre-green-up fire ban in mid-May when it’s cold, now that’s a different story.
[0:41:10 – 0:41:18] Adam: With the announcement in the last day that the Mudro entry is closed due to Canadian fires, I’m now really sweating it since we have a Mudro permit in a few weeks.
[0:41:19 – 0:41:22] Adam: I realize an area closure is different from a general fire ban.
[0:41:22 – 0:41:27] Adam: but it emphasizes the point that a fire ban is the right approach in dry conditions.
[0:41:28 – 0:41:32] Adam: I feel like it’s being respectful of other people’s trips that would be impacted by fire closures.
[0:41:33 – 0:41:33] Adam: Indeed.
[0:41:33 – 0:41:34] Adam: Thank you.
[0:41:35 – 0:41:39] Erik: Yeah, no, you can see, you can clearly hear how out of date some of these responses are.
[0:41:40 – 0:41:48] Erik: That was like one of the first areas that got closed was that upper southwest, or sorry, northwest Echo Trail portion.
[0:41:48 – 0:41:49] Adam: It’s still burning up there.
[0:41:49 – 0:41:50] Adam: There it is.
[0:41:50 – 0:41:54] Erik: Yeah, Quetico, I think Quetico’s taking a bit of a hit up there.
[0:41:55 – 0:41:57] Erik: They’re not really doing much to those fires.
[0:41:57 – 0:42:07] Erik: I think that’s just their wildfire management strategy is, yeah, well, I mean, it’s a part of nature, and as long as it’s not threatening.
[0:42:07 – 0:42:09] Erik: The Quetico abides.
[0:42:09 – 0:42:10] Erik: The Quetico abides.
[0:42:10 – 0:42:11] Erik: Going back and forth.
[0:42:13 – 0:42:14] Erik: Did you scroll down for me?
[0:42:14 – 0:42:15] Adam: I did not.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:15] Erik: Absolutely not.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:16] Erik: I don’t know how to scroll.
[0:42:19 – 0:42:21] Erik: Gobi in my pants.
[0:42:22 – 0:42:23] Erik: Friend of the show.
[0:42:23 – 0:42:25] Erik: Friend of the show.
[0:42:27 – 0:42:30] Erik: It would only mean I’m bringing more fuel for the stoves.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:33] Erik: I wouldn’t cancel a trip because I couldn’t have a campfire.
[0:42:33 – 0:42:36] Erik: Well, a fire is nice, even when it’s hot.
[0:42:36 – 0:42:37] Erik: It isn’t critical.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:43] Erik: I would miss cooking first night steaks over a fire, but that doesn’t ruin the trip or anything like that.
[0:42:44 – 0:42:49] Erik: What is the longest fire ban to have occurred or in recent memory?
[0:42:50 – 0:42:56] Erik: It’s looking like this year might be most of the month of July.
[0:42:56 – 0:43:00] Erik: I think this year’s fire ban is going to go until the season closes.
[0:43:00 – 0:43:02] Adam: Well, they said it’s only until next week, Eric.
[0:43:02 – 0:43:06] Adam: I’m sure it’s going to rain a bunch and then they’re going to lift it right away.
[0:43:06 – 0:43:08] Adam: Yeah, no, it’s going to go the whole season.
[0:43:08 – 0:43:11] Erik: I have no idea what the history is, but I’d have to imagine this one’s probably up there.
[0:43:12 – 0:43:15] Adam: Immediately when I heard they closed the entire park today, I texted you.
[0:43:15 – 0:43:17] Adam: I said, does this ever happen before?
[0:43:18 – 0:43:27] Erik: And my response was the only other instance that is even potentially on my radar is there was a drought back in the late 70s that I heard.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:41] Erik: And this was entirely anecdotal and borderline hearsay of a conversation I overheard in Grand Marais like a month ago where I was talking with somebody at a store.
[0:43:41 – 0:43:43] Erik: About how dry it is.
[0:43:43 – 0:43:45] Erik: And this old timer timed in.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:45] Erik: He’s like, oh.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:47] Adam: Not as dry as 77.
[0:43:47 – 0:43:48] Erik: Not as dry as 77.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:51] Erik: And he claimed that they closed the Gunflint Trail.
[0:43:51 – 0:43:54] Erik: And I was like, can you close roads?
[0:43:54 – 0:43:55] Erik: It was too dusty.
[0:43:56 – 0:44:00] Erik: I mean, it’s like that people need to like get, unless there was active fires.
[0:44:00 – 0:44:00] Erik: Yes.
[0:44:00 – 0:44:01] Erik: Sure.
[0:44:01 – 0:44:01] Erik: Sure.
[0:44:01 – 0:44:01] Erik: You can close it.
[0:44:01 – 0:44:03] Erik: But just because things are dry.
[0:44:03 – 0:44:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:05] Erik: But maybe, maybe it was that dry.
[0:44:06 – 0:44:11] Adam: We just came back from Duluth the other day, and they got a big flashing sign on the side of the 61 there.
[0:44:12 – 0:44:14] Adam: Highway 1 is closed at Isabella.
[0:44:15 – 0:44:16] Adam: Do not attempt to proceed.
[0:44:17 – 0:44:21] Adam: And now, obviously, Highway 2 is closed as well as the fire jumped it.
[0:44:22 – 0:44:25] Adam: It’s always disturbing when a fire jumps the road.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:29] Adam: Because they were really trying hard, you could tell, to hold that line at Highway 2.
[0:44:29 – 0:44:31] Adam: Do not let this thing get west of us.
[0:44:32 – 0:44:33] Adam: And it just went over the top.
[0:44:34 – 0:44:34] Adam: See ya.
[0:44:36 – 0:44:57] Erik: Yeah, no, I mean, fires or no fires, the drought up here is substantial, extreme, and I drove down Round Lake Road after doing the magnetic rock hike, and there is no water moving down the cross river.
[0:44:58 – 0:44:58] Adam: It’s just a rock field.
[0:44:59 – 0:44:59] Erik: Puddles.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:00] Erik: Puddles.
[0:45:01 – 0:45:01] Erik: It’s sad.
[0:45:01 – 0:45:12] Erik: I mean, to a certain extent, it’s just because it’s a change that you can physically see and make emotional connections with.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:15] Erik: I don’t know if it necessarily should be sad, though.
[0:45:15 – 0:45:18] Erik: It’s just a part of nature that you can’t control.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:22] Erik: But it’s just a shame to see a river that dry.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:25] Adam: Yeah, a river with no current is not a river.
[0:45:26 – 0:45:26] Erik: No.
[0:45:27 – 0:45:27] Erik: It’s…
[0:45:29 – 0:45:36] Erik: Yeah, I mean, it could change all at once, but as of right now, it’s different looking out there.
[0:45:38 – 0:45:45] Adam: Next up on the show, with eight boxes of Franzia, Jules Esposant.
[0:45:46 – 0:45:51] Erik: Oh, I learned what that username is in French.
[0:45:51 – 0:45:52] Erik: It’s PowerPlay.
[0:45:54 – 0:45:58] Adam: Oh, I think it’s actually jurisprudence.
[0:45:59 – 0:46:00] Adam: I think it’s the correct pronunciation.
[0:46:00 – 0:46:02] Erik: Yeah, I think you got it that time.
[0:46:02 – 0:46:07] Erik: Nailed it.
[0:46:07 – 0:46:08] Adam: Thank you for the comment.
[0:46:08 – 0:46:11] Adam: And I apologize for my lack of Francois.
[0:46:13 – 0:46:18] Adam: It was through reading Backpacker magazine that originally piqued my interest in backcountry travel.
[0:46:18 – 0:46:22] Adam: So when I shifted to preferring canoe tripping over backpacking,
[0:46:23 – 0:46:29] Adam: I carried along some of the backpacking customs like cooking dehydrated meals over a micro-canister stove.
[0:46:30 – 0:46:38] Adam: Campfires were barely on my radar in those early canoe trips, and the idea of cooking on a fire seemed preposterous.
[0:46:39 – 0:46:46] SPEAKER_00: Oh, but my pots and pans will turn black in dirty suit, and saws and axes are pointless grams of extra weight.
[0:46:46 – 0:46:47] Adam: I protested.
[0:46:47 – 0:47:00] Adam: I now love all things campfire-related on my canoe trips, but because of my earlier proclivity towards campfiring, it is not that hard to go without in a fire ban scenario.
[0:47:00 – 0:47:09] Adam: I’m going to give you four extra boxes of wine for all the wonderful words you interspersed in that elocution.
[0:47:10 – 0:47:11] Adam: Jeu d’exposant.
[0:47:11 – 0:47:12] Adam: Thank you for the comment.
[0:47:12 – 0:47:13] Erik: Yeah, very nice.
[0:47:13 – 0:47:19] Erik: I guess having the background in backpacking, a little bit more that you can lean back into.
[0:47:21 – 0:47:21] Erik: Indeed.
[0:47:21 – 0:47:30] Erik: And also, it sounds like they were pretty well used to having the full-blown fire as a setup, though, too.
[0:47:31 – 0:47:34] Erik: Gray Panther 8.
[0:47:36 – 0:47:38] Erik: Missed.
[0:47:38 – 0:47:40] Erik: Yeah, those are noises of panthers.
[0:47:40 – 0:47:40] Adam: That’s what they do.
[0:47:40 – 0:47:42] Erik: Grrrr.
[0:47:46 – 0:48:09] Erik: i’m gray missed the ban last year by the skin of our teeth and we were fully prepared for one this year the campfire is a huge part of the experience but we brought stoves for consistent fish frying temps for our 2021 trip a ban would not cancel a trip just some logistical adjustments leave the grounds for a
[0:48:10 – 0:48:14] Erik: splitting them all at home and no Coggy’s fire paste.
[0:48:16 – 0:48:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:17 – 0:48:19] Adam: Or Coglin’s fire suppressant either.
[0:48:19 – 0:48:20] Erik: No.
[0:48:21 – 0:48:22] Erik: I’ll do another one here.
[0:48:22 – 0:48:23] Erik: Fire goo.
[0:48:23 – 0:48:24] Erik: Fire goo.
[0:48:24 – 0:48:27] Erik: I’ll do another one, and then you can do the longer one here.
[0:48:28 – 0:48:31] Erik: So we don’t have to tire the computer out from turning around.
[0:48:31 – 0:48:35] Adam: What do you think that Granfersbrook salesman from Paragus is up to these days?
[0:48:35 – 0:48:35] Adam: Monk?
[0:48:36 – 0:48:37] Adam: Yeah, what’s a monk up to?
[0:48:37 – 0:48:38] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:48:38 – 0:48:39] Adam: Monk, are you out there?
[0:48:39 – 0:48:40] Adam: Are you listening?
[0:48:40 – 0:48:45] Erik: He’s probably just as depressed as I am, not being able to sell his wares.
[0:48:45 – 0:48:51] Adam: I would say you have a twinkle in your eye, but your hair does look kind of disheveled today.
[0:48:51 – 0:48:52] Adam: Normally, your hair looks a lot better.
[0:48:53 – 0:48:54] Erik: Wow, thanks.
[0:48:54 – 0:48:57] Erik: That makes me feel much worse.
[0:48:57 – 0:48:59] Erik: Yeah, but you have a twinkle in your eye.
[0:48:59 – 0:49:00] Erik: I don’t care about how my eyes look.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:01] Erik: I do.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:06] Erik: Ooh, I think this might be the first comment from the show me your tents.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:07] Erik: Welcome to the show.
[0:49:07 – 0:49:08] Erik: Show me your tents.
[0:49:08 – 0:49:09] Erik: I’ll show you some tents.
[0:49:10 – 0:49:16] Erik: We’re entering on August 1st, and while we love to have fires at night, it’s certainly not the end of the world.
[0:49:16 – 0:49:20] Erik: We will bring some more fuel for the stove and just enjoy the night sky.
[0:49:21 – 0:49:25] Erik: Heck, I’m too tired to stay up for much of a fire at night anyway.
[0:49:25 – 0:49:28] Erik: Plus, now I don’t have to gather and cut and split firewood.
[0:49:29 – 0:49:33] Erik: I will miss the first night grilled food, but we’ll get by.
[0:49:34 – 0:49:38] Erik: Yeah, I like the idea of the just focus on the sky.
[0:49:38 – 0:49:39] Erik: Look outward.
[0:49:40 – 0:49:42] Erik: Don’t look towards what you don’t have.
[0:49:42 – 0:49:45] Erik: Look out at the world and what you could possibly have.
[0:49:48 – 0:49:51] Adam: Next up on the show, pepois de c’est pas.
[0:49:54 – 0:49:56] Adam: Eight boxes of wine.
[0:49:58 – 0:49:59] Adam: Is this your first time on the show?
[0:50:00 – 0:50:01] Erik: Possibly.
[0:50:01 – 0:50:02] Erik: I don’t think so.
[0:50:02 – 0:50:04] Adam: Peppa Seppard, friend of the show.
[0:50:05 – 0:50:07] Erik: If I am wrong, send me a message.
[0:50:08 – 0:50:10] Erik: We will rectify the situation.
[0:50:10 – 0:50:13] Adam: Yeah, hit us up, tumblehumcast at instagram.com.
[0:50:14 – 0:50:18] Adam: Going to have a lot of pictures of Gordy in his fancy new hat.
[0:50:19 – 0:50:21] Adam: and also I do respond to messages there.
[0:50:21 – 0:50:25] Adam: Hit me up in the DMs if you are a friend of the show or a first-time caller.
[0:50:26 – 0:50:28] Adam: Either way, we appreciate you being here.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:29] Adam: This looks like a real doozy.
[0:50:29 – 0:50:33] Adam: I’m going to have a sip of my Oberon, and then I’m going to dive in.
[0:50:34 – 0:50:36] Erik: Also, tumblehomecast at gmail.com.
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[0:50:56 – 0:50:58] Adam: All right.
[0:50:59 – 0:51:04] Adam: Personally, I get a lot more satisfaction from building a fire than having one.
[0:51:05 – 0:51:15] Adam: Getting all your kindling and sticks and logs all set up perfect, then lighting it and watching it come alive is both beautiful and immensely satisfying on a very primitive level.
[0:51:17 – 0:51:24] Adam: Breathing and eyeballing smoke for however long is not really my cup of tea, though I will admit the warmth is pretty nice in the morning.
[0:51:25 – 0:51:29] Adam: Fire-cooked meals are also marginally better than the stove-cooked variety.
[0:51:30 – 0:51:36] Adam: But overall, a fire is pretty far down on my list of things I enjoy about being in the wilderness.
[0:51:36 – 0:51:41] Adam: And it doesn’t even come close to the list of things I uniquely enjoy about being in the wilderness.
[0:51:42 – 0:51:46] Adam: It isn’t called the Boundary Waters kindling and fire pit area wilderness.
[0:51:47 – 0:51:49] Adam: We have a fire pit at home.
[0:51:49 – 0:51:53] Adam: We do not have a group of remote canoe accessible campsites in our yard.
[0:51:54 – 0:51:57] Adam: I would absolutely never cancel plans based on a fireman.
[0:51:57 – 0:52:00] Adam: It kind of blows my mind that this is even a question for some people.
[0:52:01 – 0:52:09] Adam: I would simply adjust my food plan, bring more stove fuel, and maybe a thicker jacket and pants.
[0:52:09 – 0:52:11] Adam: Happy paddling, y’all.
[0:52:12 – 0:52:13] Adam: Are these hashtags?
[0:52:14 – 0:52:15] Erik: I think that those hashtags…
[0:52:15 – 0:52:17] Adam: When they’re big like that on Reddit, it’s a hashtag, right?
[0:52:17 – 0:52:20] Adam: Hashtag boundary waters, no boundary fire.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:21] Adam: Hashtag water tribe.
[0:52:22 – 0:52:23] Adam: Peep ha swat out.
[0:52:24 – 0:52:26] Erik: Yeah, I mean, I get it.
[0:52:26 – 0:52:29] Erik: There are some people that are on the other side of the… That’s the perspective right there.
[0:52:29 – 0:52:34] Erik: I think that is a perspective, and I think that there are… And I don’t…
[0:52:34 – 0:52:34] Erik: I would say…
[0:52:36 – 0:52:44] Erik: I don’t necessarily agree with the alternative of the perspective that a trip should be canceled because you can’t have a campfire.
[0:52:44 – 0:52:53] Erik: And I think they are in the vast majority of people when a fire ban goes into place, but they are phone calls I used to receive.
[0:52:53 – 0:53:00] Adam: Yeah, I guess I’m not surprised that friends of the show on the subreddit here are just going.
[0:53:01 – 0:53:02] Erik: Yeah, right.
[0:53:02 – 0:53:07] Adam: I did think we were going to open this up and we were probably going to run into some people saying, yeah, the heck with it.
[0:53:09 – 0:53:30] Adam: but it did not seem to be the case so far i have a score of seven to zero right now uh so still going yeah i’m keeping a track of cancel versus keep going and uh keep going is whipping butts out there so way to keep going yeah way to keep going yeah we got the shutout going we flipping it
[0:53:31 – 0:53:35] Adam: I got one short one here, and then I will flip it back to you, okay?
[0:53:35 – 0:53:36] Adam: Does that sound fine?
[0:53:36 – 0:53:37] Erik: That sounds great.
[0:53:37 – 0:53:41] Adam: Next up on the show, another French-sounding name.
[0:53:41 – 0:53:41] Adam: I love this.
[0:53:42 – 0:53:43] Adam: François.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:45] Adam: Bourre-à-du-Bepi.
[0:53:46 – 0:53:47] Adam: That’s got to be it.
[0:53:48 – 0:53:51] Erik: Five boxes of François.
[0:53:51 – 0:53:53] Erik: Five boxes of Bordeaux.
[0:53:54 – 0:53:54] Erik: Merlot.
[0:53:55 – 0:53:56] Adam: I ain’t drinking no Merlot.
[0:53:57 – 0:53:59] Adam: Definitely the fire bands aren’t fun.
[0:53:59 – 0:54:04] Adam: Especially when it’s chilly or when you love to cook under the sweet cedar flame.
[0:54:04 – 0:54:07] SPEAKER_00: But I would never cancel my fun for a band.
[0:54:07 – 0:54:08] SPEAKER_00: Never.
[0:54:08 – 0:54:10] Adam: Adapt, accept, and overcome.
[0:54:11 – 0:54:12] Adam: Adapt, accept, and overcome.
[0:54:12 – 0:54:16] Adam: My mic stand is being harassed by a dog, but I agree.
[0:54:16 – 0:54:17] Adam: That’s another vote.
[0:54:17 – 0:54:18] Adam: That’s eight nothing.
[0:54:19 – 0:54:19] Adam: Ain’t nothing.
[0:54:19 – 0:54:21] Adam: It’s a route for keep going.
[0:54:22 – 0:54:26] Adam: And I am going to scroll up for you, Eric, here.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:29] Adam: Go ahead and refresh that Oberon.
[0:54:29 – 0:54:30] Erik: Well, that’s kind of you.
[0:54:30 – 0:54:32] Erik: Are we on FZ6 camp?
[0:54:33 – 0:54:35] Adam: Yeah, I scrolled for you this time.
[0:54:35 – 0:54:38] Erik: Well, as I’m reading, you should fill the chalice.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:40] Adam: Fill that chalice there for me.
[0:54:47 – 0:54:58] Erik: Coming from more of a backpacker background and taking a bunch of trips out west, where backcountry fire rules are much more strict, I am completely used to being limited to stoves only.
[0:54:59 – 0:55:06] Erik: Even when fires are allowed, I typically cook dehydrated meals with a stove out of simplicity and laziness.
[0:55:07 – 0:55:14] Erik: Campfires are nice for ambiance and community around camp, but a fire ban by no means takes away from my outdoor experience.
[0:55:15 – 0:55:30] Erik: I wouldn’t bother packing additional fuel unless a trip was over seven days, as a small eight-ounce canister of fuel is enough to last me over a week, especially since fire ban season typically has hot temperatures in which I’m not craving hot meals or drinks.
[0:55:30 – 0:55:31] Adam: Cold cuts.
[0:55:32 – 0:55:33] Adam: He is cold cuts.
[0:55:33 – 0:55:36] Erik: He’s just eating muffalettas out there.
[0:55:37 – 0:55:49] Erik: My stove and fuel setup weighs less than a saw and or axe anyway, so even if I had to bring more fuel, the pack weight is actually reduced by not packing firewood processing tools.
[0:55:49 – 0:55:51] Adam: Yeah, I mean, I hadn’t really considered this.
[0:55:52 – 0:55:59] Adam: Ghost of Abbey was the first to point this out, or at least the highest voted post to point this out, but…
[0:55:59 – 0:56:02] Adam: Yeah, you know, oh, you got to bring a little extra fuel.
[0:56:02 – 0:56:06] Adam: So, yeah, you don’t have to bring the gram force brew and the saw.
[0:56:07 – 0:56:07] Erik: Right.
[0:56:07 – 0:56:08] Adam: And you don’t have to spend the time.
[0:56:08 – 0:56:09] Adam: What’s your time worth?
[0:56:10 – 0:56:11] Adam: What’s your time worth?
[0:56:11 – 0:56:12] Adam: It is more time efficient.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:14] Adam: You got more time to doodle maybe.
[0:56:14 – 0:56:14] Adam: Sure.
[0:56:14 – 0:56:15] Adam: Nobody’s brought that up.
[0:56:16 – 0:56:16] Adam: Not yet.
[0:56:17 – 0:56:17] Adam: Not yet.
[0:56:17 – 0:56:17] Adam: Not yet.
[0:56:18 – 0:56:20] Erik: I don’t get how all that works.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:28] Adam: Next up on the show, Exhausted Horte, friend of the show.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:29] Adam: Thank you.
[0:56:29 – 0:56:32] Adam: And you’ve earned your five boxes of Franzia.
[0:56:33 – 0:56:35] Adam: My partner and I are heading out in a week.
[0:56:37 – 0:56:38] Erik: When was this posted?
[0:56:38 – 0:56:38] Erik: A month.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:39] Erik: They probably got that trip.
[0:56:39 – 0:56:40] Adam: You made it.
[0:56:40 – 0:56:51] Adam: My partner and I are heading out in a week, and I would be lying if I said it didn’t greatly impact the list of what we already had done for the trip since the ban fell so close to our entry date.
[0:56:51 – 0:56:59] Adam: We are frantically dehydrating more meals now because we’re anticipating bringing more fresh food on this trip since we had the option to cook over the fire.
[0:57:01 – 0:57:06] Adam: That being said, we would never cancel a trip over a fire ban alone.
[0:57:06 – 0:57:08] Adam: You will never walk alone.
[0:57:09 – 0:57:16] Adam: We don’t think a fire is essential to being out in the woods, and have camped in a lot of places where they are banned year-round, so that doesn’t bug us much.
[0:57:17 – 0:57:23] Adam: We are more concerned, however, that our trip will be between the active fire in the BWCA and the fire in Quetico.
[0:57:24 – 0:57:53] Adam: we’ve already changed our route plan to one that is less focused on moving camp every day to get farther into the interior and focused more on getting to a good spot to base camp for three days do some day trips move to the next base camp repeat until we exit this way we aren’t going so far into the interior with all our gear and can hightail it back to an entry point if gtfo it gets dicey i don’t think i read that right i think you got it though
[0:57:54 – 0:57:55] Adam: Oh, we have an update.
[0:57:57 – 0:57:57] Adam: Update.
[0:57:58 – 0:58:01] Adam: This just in on the wire.
[0:58:01 – 0:58:01] Adam: Update.
[0:58:01 – 0:58:08] Adam: We did end up canceling our trip and picking a new entry point for August that is farther east and away from the fires.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:13] Adam: It’s a bummer, but just not worth the risk in our eyes, especially with my asthma.
[0:58:14 – 0:58:14] Adam: No doubt.
[0:58:16 – 0:58:17] SPEAKER_00: What part of August?
[0:58:18 – 0:58:39] Adam: i hope you got it in i hope you got it in really do uh yeah uh because uh if it’s now no boy now anyways thank you for the comment uh i feel i feel your pain though but uh you know you got to do what’s right for you yeah as yeah as does everyone we flipping
[0:58:41 – 0:58:42] Adam: Oh, I can handle this one.
[0:58:42 – 0:58:44] Adam: We got a short one, and we’ll flip it.
[0:58:45 – 0:58:48] Erik: Next up on the show, Heung Oatmeal.
[0:58:49 – 0:58:50] Erik: That sounds like a first.
[0:58:52 – 0:58:53] Adam: First time caller.
[0:58:53 – 0:58:54] Adam: Welcome to the show.
[0:58:54 – 0:58:55] Adam: Thank you for your comment.
[0:58:56 – 0:58:59] Adam: Still looking forward to our trip to Winchell in August.
[0:58:59 – 0:59:01] Adam: Not having a fire in the morning will be missed.
[0:59:02 – 0:59:03] Adam: but by no means a deal breaker.
[0:59:04 – 0:59:09] Adam: Besides having to pack another stove and more fuel, not much about our plans has changed.
[0:59:10 – 0:59:10] Adam: There you go.
[0:59:10 – 0:59:12] Adam: So that’s, I believe we’re up to 10 to nothing right now.
[0:59:13 – 0:59:14] Erik: The route is on.
[0:59:14 – 0:59:15] Adam: The route is on.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:16] Adam: We’re going to Big Winchy.
[0:59:17 – 0:59:19] Adam: Hashtag Big Winchy forever.
[0:59:20 – 0:59:21] Erik: Hashtag Big Winch.
[0:59:23 – 0:59:24] Erik: Eagle 98 MN.
[0:59:26 – 0:59:26] Erik: Friend of the show.
[0:59:26 – 0:59:28] Erik: Friend of the show.
[0:59:30 – 0:59:38] Erik: I’ve been fortunate to avoid the fire ban so far in my eight years of tripping, but this year is looking to break that trend when I head up in three weeks.
[0:59:39 – 0:59:47] Erik: Since I’m a lazy camp chef who relies on camp chow and the like, I already do all of my cooking on the jet boil.
[0:59:48 – 0:59:52] Erik: So the ban isn’t going to impact my canoe country culinary experience.
[0:59:53 – 0:59:53] Adam: I don’t think that’s lazy.
[0:59:54 – 0:59:55] Adam: It’s just a different approach.
[0:59:56 – 0:59:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:59:57 – 1:00:10] Erik: I’ll lose out on the enjoyment of an evening fire, but I’m sure I’ll get over it while listening to hashtag loon calls, go champ, at sunset and staring up at the choke of the tourney, Milky Way.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:11] Erik: Whoa.
[1:00:12 – 1:00:12] Erik: Choke.
[1:00:13 – 1:00:14] Erik: Shouting out.
[1:00:15 – 1:00:17] Erik: Just calling out the Milky Ways.
[1:00:17 – 1:00:22] Adam: I think the big telescope floating around in space would beg to differ.
[1:00:22 – 1:00:23] Erik: Yeah.
[1:00:24 – 1:00:27] Adam: Although the Milky Way is small potatoes compared to what that thing’s looking at.
[1:00:28 – 1:00:28] Erik: Yes.
[1:00:29 – 1:00:31] Erik: The real impact for me is in the planning.
[1:00:32 – 1:00:46] Erik: With it being so dry and taking my kids up there, I have paid extra attentions to plan B, C, and D for exiting the wilderness in case a blaze would suddenly spring up between us and our car.
[1:00:47 – 1:00:51] Erik: I am ensuring that I have maps with those for contingency plans in
[1:00:51 – 1:00:56] Erik: Yeah, parentheses, NatGeo is perfect for this emergency situation, for sure.
[1:00:57 – 1:00:59] Erik: Big scale, basically bring two of them in.
[1:00:59 – 1:01:00] Erik: They take no weight.
[1:01:01 – 1:01:06] Erik: Worst case scenario, you got to just adjust to the scale and plan accordingly.
[1:01:06 – 1:01:09] Adam: NatGeos are the James Webb telescope of maps, for sure.
[1:01:10 – 1:01:12] Erik: Is James Webb going to make it into the tumble tourney next year?
[1:01:13 – 1:01:13] Adam: No.
[1:01:14 – 1:01:15] Adam: Okay.
[1:01:15 – 1:01:16] Adam: Absolutely not.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:18] Erik: Have beer, we’ll paddle.
[1:01:19 – 1:01:22] Erik: I wouldn’t cancel a trip unless I was hot tent camping.
[1:01:22 – 1:01:24] Erik: Has there ever been a ban in the winter?
[1:01:24 – 1:01:25] Erik: No.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:28] Erik: Unless there’s not snow on the ground, I couldn’t imagine.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:29] Adam: Not since 77, at least.
[1:01:29 – 1:01:30] Adam: Not since 77.
[1:01:30 – 1:01:31] Adam: Oh, 77 is a dry year, that old 1977, the old spirit of 77.
[1:01:38 – 1:01:41] Erik: Should have grabbed my field mic and interviewed that man that was in the liquor store that day.
[1:01:41 – 1:01:43] Erik: Yep, you should have.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:45] Erik: On that one fateful Saturday morn.
[1:01:45 – 1:01:46] Adam: Always be micing.
[1:01:47 – 1:01:51] Erik: Summer is no big deal, except it would really cramp my style whipping up dinner for a group.
[1:01:52 – 1:01:54] Erik: You had big groups with stoves.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:56] Erik: That’s a lot.
[1:01:56 – 1:02:05] Erik: And honestly, to tell you the truth, depending on the kind of propane stove you have, some of those are kind of dangerous too, though.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:09] Erik: Especially those ones where you turn them off and it still burns for like 30 seconds.
[1:02:09 – 1:02:10] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:11 – 1:02:11] Erik: I get it.
[1:02:12 – 1:02:14] Erik: Eventually the fear will run out.
[1:02:14 – 1:02:15] Erik: But they’re hot.
[1:02:15 – 1:02:16] Erik: There are flames.
[1:02:17 – 1:02:18] Erik: Sometimes they spit, sputter.
[1:02:20 – 1:02:22] Adam: Someone say a gassed erratic.
[1:02:22 – 1:02:23] Adam: A gassed erratic.
[1:02:24 – 1:02:25] Adam: Starring Peter Danklage.
[1:02:25 – 1:02:26] Adam: Danklage.
[1:02:26 – 1:02:27] Adam: Danklage soars.
[1:02:29 – 1:02:32] Erik: I’d change the trip to focus more on evening fishing.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:35] SPEAKER_00: Let’s have Beer Will Paddle finishing up.
[1:02:37 – 1:02:38] Erik: We got a few more comments here.
[1:02:40 – 1:02:43] Adam: Doesn’t matter how dry it is, you can still troll our crankbait.
[1:02:43 – 1:02:44] Adam: Am I right, Eric?
[1:02:45 – 1:02:48] Adam: You can still troll our Oski Jack.
[1:02:49 – 1:02:55] Erik: Well, I think we need to pause because these wheat Oberons, they’re flying through me.
[1:02:55 – 1:02:56] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:02:56 – 1:02:56] Erik: Do we need to pause?
[1:02:56 – 1:02:57] Erik: We’re at an hour.
[1:02:57 – 1:02:58] Erik: Let’s cut it out.
[1:02:58 – 1:02:59] Erik: No.
[1:02:59 – 1:03:00] Adam: We’re not getting through the whole thing.
[1:03:00 – 1:03:01] Adam: There’s not that many.
[1:03:01 – 1:03:01] Adam: We’ll get through them all.
[1:03:01 – 1:03:02] Adam: Are we?
[1:03:02 – 1:03:02] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:03 – 1:03:03] Adam: Oh, okay.
[1:03:03 – 1:03:05] Adam: I thought for sure this was going to be a three-parter.
[1:03:05 – 1:03:06] Erik: Three-parter.
[1:03:06 – 1:03:10] Erik: No, I think there’s like six more and only two big ones.
[1:03:12 – 1:03:12] Erik: All right.
[1:03:13 – 1:03:14] Erik: I think we should just do it.
[1:03:16 – 1:03:18] Adam: Back after the message from these sponsors.
[1:03:18 – 1:03:20] Erik: Oh, no, you got a sponsor in mind?
[1:03:22 – 1:03:23] Adam: They paid for it.
[1:03:23 – 1:03:26] Adam: I don’t have it in mind, but yes, we are going to read this.
[1:03:26 – 1:03:28] Erik: Okay, we’re going to read it.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:36] Erik: Thank you, John Menard, for the Shed sponsorship.
[1:03:37 – 1:03:41] Erik: Back to regularly scheduled programming.
[1:03:43 – 1:03:46] Erik: Bird dogging it.
[1:03:48 – 1:03:50] Erik: I love that they all say one minute ago.
[1:03:50 – 1:03:53] Adam: What’s going on with the internet out here?
[1:03:53 – 1:03:55] Adam: This is the internet from the future, maybe.
[1:03:55 – 1:03:56] Erik: Future internet.
[1:03:56 – 1:03:57] Erik: That would be great.
[1:03:58 – 1:04:04] Erik: Normally, a fire ban would have very little effect on my trip or overall satisfaction with camp life.
[1:04:05 – 1:04:12] Erik: But as of right now, my border route trip might need some major adjustments due to the crooked lake closure.
[1:04:13 – 1:04:16] Erik: Oh well, Mother Nature always bats last.
[1:04:17 – 1:04:22] Erik: And staying flexible is an important skill to have in canoe country.
[1:04:24 – 1:04:26] Erik: Mother Nature does always bat last.
[1:04:27 – 1:04:29] Erik: Sometimes she strikes out, though.
[1:04:29 – 1:04:31] Adam: Sometimes she hits a dinger.
[1:04:31 – 1:04:33] Erik: Sometimes mostly.
[1:04:33 – 1:04:34] Adam: Right into the light bulb.
[1:04:36 – 1:04:38] Adam: Sparks will fly.
[1:04:38 – 1:04:39] Adam: That’s how you start a forest fire.
[1:04:39 – 1:04:42] Adam: You hit Wonder Boy right into the dinger.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:47] Adam: Next up on the show, we’re at 15-0 for Keep Going right now.
[1:04:47 – 1:04:57] Adam: canceled is getting skunked except on the show square jaw 77 three boxes of franzia yikes
[1:04:58 – 1:05:00] Adam: Things are definitely staying hot up in the North Country.
[1:05:00 – 1:05:05] Adam: I just got back from visiting my mom in Ely, and the smoke is palpable.
[1:05:05 – 1:05:08] Adam: You can smell it, taste it, and definitely see it.
[1:05:09 – 1:05:17] Adam: I just noticed that they are closing basically everything west of Basswood, and my permit for entry point 16 into Lac La Croix might not happen in August.
[1:05:19 – 1:05:19] Erik: Probably not.
[1:05:20 – 1:05:28] Adam: However, being a quick thinker, I picked up a Saganaga Perkment for the same time just last week.
[1:05:28 – 1:05:29] Adam: Oh, no.
[1:05:30 – 1:05:33] Adam: I just had an inkling that this would happen, and I still wanted to go.
[1:05:33 – 1:05:35] Adam: Anyways, let’s get to the meat.
[1:05:35 – 1:05:37] Adam: Oh, we got meat within the meat.
[1:05:37 – 1:05:38] Adam: Oh, boy.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:39] Adam: Is this like a pierogi?
[1:05:39 – 1:05:40] Adam: Or a turducken.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:42] Adam: Oh, it’s like a turducken for sure.
[1:05:42 – 1:05:43] Adam: Pierogis don’t have meat.
[1:05:44 – 1:05:46] Adam: Fur rogues are all cheese and potatoes.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:47] Adam: Maybe.
[1:05:47 – 1:05:48] Adam: Caramelized onions?
[1:05:48 – 1:05:48] Adam: You can put meat in them.
[1:05:49 – 1:05:53] Adam: This is like putting a pizza biter inside of a pizza biter right now.
[1:05:53 – 1:05:56] Adam: This is the biter within the bite.
[1:05:56 – 1:05:57] Erik: Sacrilegious.
[1:05:57 – 1:05:59] Erik: It’s a micro bite.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:00] Erik: Sacrilegious.
[1:06:00 – 1:06:25] Adam: i have been to the b-dub on multiple occasions during fire bands we do a lot of cooking with cook stoves and honestly i prefer it that way not because i don’t like cooking over a fire and heck we will do a few meals over the fire it’s just less fussy the thing i really don’t like is how much more involved the cleanup is even if you soap the outside of the pans the suit is still a mess the suit
[1:06:26 – 1:06:26] SPEAKER_00: The soot.
[1:06:27 – 1:06:29] Adam: The soot is still a mess.
[1:06:30 – 1:06:32] Adam: So generally speaking, I prefer gas cooking.
[1:06:32 – 1:06:33] Adam: It is quicker and easier than a fire.
[1:06:34 – 1:06:38] Adam: And in the morning, you don’t have to worry about dousing a fire before departing.
[1:06:38 – 1:06:44] Adam: We bring two very small isobutane-style stoves, and that is sufficient.
[1:06:45 – 1:06:51] Adam: Long story medium, as far as the cooking goes, there’s a little change in how we eat or prepare food with a fire ban.
[1:06:52 – 1:06:59] Adam: The big difference is not having that end-of-the-day communal chat fire.
[1:06:59 – 1:07:00] Adam: There you go.
[1:07:01 – 1:07:07] Adam: This is just something comforting about having a bright fire to illuminate the campground and the conversation.
[1:07:08 – 1:07:09] Adam: Very well said.
[1:07:09 – 1:07:10] Erik: Get a red lantern.
[1:07:12 – 1:07:20] Adam: We have invested in another set of battery-powered party lights that we will string around the campfire this year to still have the same sort of experience.
[1:07:20 – 1:07:21] Adam: There you go, Eric.
[1:07:21 – 1:07:21] Adam: There it is.
[1:07:21 – 1:07:26] Adam: Maybe I will bring some cigars and blow smoke in everyone’s face to create more ambiance.
[1:07:28 – 1:07:33] Adam: Not having a fire is not as disappointing as mouth-mixing a bag of oatmeal, but it is certainly up there.
[1:07:34 – 1:07:35] Adam: That is the end of the comment.
[1:07:35 – 1:07:37] Adam: Thank you, Squarejaw77.
[1:07:38 – 1:07:41] Adam: You are a true friend of the show and of Party Lights.
[1:07:41 – 1:07:44] Erik: Did they write, that is the end of the comment?
[1:07:44 – 1:07:45] Adam: Yes.
[1:07:45 – 1:07:46] Erik: Wow, great.
[1:07:46 – 1:07:47] Erik: That’s very Lynyrd Skynyrd-esque.
[1:07:49 – 1:07:51] Erik: That’s the end of the song.
[1:07:51 – 1:07:53] Adam: No, no.
[1:07:53 – 1:07:56] Adam: It ended with, but it certainly is up there.
[1:07:56 – 1:07:56] Adam: The end.
[1:07:58 – 1:07:59] Adam: But they didn’t say the end.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:01] Adam: I can’t help myself.
[1:08:02 – 1:08:03] Adam: I didn’t scroll.
[1:08:06 – 1:08:07] Erik: All right, we heard…
[1:08:08 – 1:08:10] Erik: Sorry, I just jumped right into the meat.
[1:08:13 – 1:08:14] Erik: Didn’t give the user.
[1:08:16 – 1:08:17] Erik: A pair of chappers.
[1:08:18 – 1:08:18] Erik: Friend of…
[1:08:21 – 1:08:33] Erik: We heard about the most recent fire ban on Friday, 7-9 from WTIP on our way up to the shore to enter Baker Lake on 7-10.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:35] Erik: Yeah, 7-9, that’s when it started.
[1:08:35 – 1:08:38] Erik: So we’re going on over a month now.
[1:08:38 – 1:08:49] Erik: It was definitely a bummer since we were introducing two BWCA versions from Colorado on this trip, and they were really excited to have a fire since they are never allowed in Colorado.
[1:08:49 – 1:08:53] Erik: We did a fourth of Brulai trip last year during a fire ban as well.
[1:08:53 – 1:08:54] Erik: Wow.
[1:08:54 – 1:08:59] Erik: Were you also out on Brulai last year during the fire ban?
[1:08:59 – 1:09:02] Adam: Were you the ones making all the noise on that island?
[1:09:02 – 1:09:03] Erik: Must have been them.
[1:09:05 – 1:09:08] Erik: I guess one thing I’m learning, just to take a break from a pair of choppers comment.
[1:09:09 – 1:09:10] Erik: Side tangent.
[1:09:10 – 1:09:16] Erik: I don’t know if it’s a side tangent, but it’s just a thought that I guess has always been there, but…
[1:09:18 – 1:09:39] Adam: um i feel like campfires in the wilderness is a massive privilege yeah like that that comment exactly like we’re from colorado we’re not allowed we can have recreational marijuana and mushrooms but we’re not allowed to have fires outside ever or water yeah minnesota we can have fires but nothing else
[1:09:39 – 1:09:41] Adam: The prairie dogs took all our fires.
[1:09:42 – 1:09:50] Adam: Yeah, no, like there are many, many places, especially like wilderness areas with backcountry camping, where you’re not allowed to…
[1:09:50 – 1:09:51] Adam: There’s no box.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:54] Adam: There’s no brown volcanoes, to use the parlance of our times.
[1:09:55 – 1:09:56] Adam: There’s no campfire pits.
[1:09:56 – 1:09:58] Adam: There’s no fire grates to evaluate.
[1:09:59 – 1:10:01] Adam: How do they do a campsite review in Canyonlands?
[1:10:02 – 1:10:05] Adam: It’s literally just a dusty old patch.
[1:10:05 – 1:10:06] Erik: Maybe an old tree.
[1:10:06 – 1:10:12] Erik: Based on the view and how many big old… A lot of nice puddin’ tops out here.
[1:10:12 – 1:10:13] Adam: Lots of nice puddin’ tops.
[1:10:13 – 1:10:14] Adam: Give it a five stars.
[1:10:15 – 1:10:20] Erik: Yeah, I mean, I think that at the end of the day, that’s really the one thing I’ve learned is it’s just like,
[1:10:20 – 1:10:21] Adam: Great sunset.
[1:10:21 – 1:10:22] Adam: I had to poop in a bag.
[1:10:22 – 1:10:23] Adam: Five stars.
[1:10:24 – 1:10:25] Adam: That’s the West.
[1:10:25 – 1:10:27] Erik: Yes, essentially.
[1:10:27 – 1:10:29] Erik: Yeah, but they have freedoms.
[1:10:29 – 1:10:30] Erik: Groover’s full.
[1:10:31 – 1:10:32] Adam: Groover’s full again.
[1:10:32 – 1:10:35] Adam: I have to call the sucker truck.
[1:10:36 – 1:10:41] Erik: It turns out it did not affect our satisfaction or happiness at all.
[1:10:41 – 1:10:45] Erik: The Colorado virgins could not stop talking about how great a time they had in the park.
[1:10:46 – 1:10:53] Erik: Their biggest talking point was that although we saw other paddlers while traveling during the day, once we settled into a campsite each night, we saw no one.
[1:10:54 – 1:10:59] Erik: We traveled each day, caught a walleye, played Yahtzee, swam, and used our camp stoves.
[1:11:00 – 1:11:05] Erik: Gotta roll with the punches and respect the rules to keep this place pristine and not burnt.
[1:11:06 – 1:11:06] Adam: There you go.
[1:11:08 – 1:11:09] Erik: Yeah, that’s great.
[1:11:10 – 1:11:11] Adam: Don’t see nobody.
[1:11:12 – 1:11:13] Adam: I love it.
[1:11:13 – 1:11:15] Erik: Don’t see nobody.
[1:11:15 – 1:11:18] Adam: Yeah, don’t need to see a fire as long as I don’t see nobody.
[1:11:20 – 1:11:22] Adam: That’s a good, that might be an episode title.
[1:11:23 – 1:11:23] Adam: Don’t see nobody.
[1:11:24 – 1:11:25] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:25 – 1:11:25] Erik: No, it’s not.
[1:11:25 – 1:11:27] Erik: Nothing’s really spoken to us or me at least yet.
[1:11:29 – 1:11:29] Erik: No.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:31] Erik: I’ll read you.
[1:11:31 – 1:11:31] Erik: It’ll come to you.
[1:11:32 – 1:11:33] Erik: It’ll come to you.
[1:11:37 – 1:11:41] Erik: Muskie eater, what’s the difference if we don’t even need hot water now?
[1:11:41 – 1:11:43] Erik: Hashtag mouth mixers.
[1:11:43 – 1:11:44] Adam: There you go.
[1:11:44 – 1:11:46] Adam: You just take a little out of the lake.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:47] Adam: It’s already hot.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:49] Adam: It’s tea kettle hot straight out of the basswood.
[1:11:50 – 1:11:58] Erik: Yeah, you just pour dry oatmeal in your mouth and then jump in the lake and then just do a little sip and then you can swim.
[1:11:58 – 1:12:02] Adam: I’ll remind the listeners that the mouth mixers were not our idea.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:03] Adam: We just tried it.
[1:12:03 – 1:12:05] Adam: Okay, so sorry about the audio.
[1:12:05 – 1:12:08] Adam: It was disgusting, but it was not our idea.
[1:12:09 – 1:12:10] Adam: And I don’t condone it.
[1:12:10 – 1:12:14] Adam: I’m not a mouth mixer for life or anything.
[1:12:15 – 1:12:17] Adam: I’m not hashtag mouth mixer.
[1:12:20 – 1:12:24] Erik: No, I don’t think anybody has accused us of being lifetime mouth mixers.
[1:12:26 – 1:12:26] Adam: MMNash.
[1:12:27 – 1:12:28] Erik: Mouth Mixer Nash.
[1:12:30 – 1:12:32] Erik: Mouth Mixer Nation.
[1:12:32 – 1:12:38] Erik: We might have like a .5 OMG.
[1:12:38 – 1:12:39] Erik: It’s cut.
[1:12:40 – 1:12:43] Erik: Honestly, I just want the fire to keep the summer bugs down.
[1:12:43 – 1:12:45] Erik: Heat, bugs, and fire ban?
[1:12:46 – 1:12:48] Erik: I’d replan for the fall.
[1:12:49 – 1:12:50] Adam: Yeah, there ain’t no bugs.
[1:12:50 – 1:12:56] Erik: So that may be like a .5 for a, not cancel, but potential replan.
[1:12:56 – 1:12:58] Adam: All right, I’ll put it in the middle.
[1:12:58 – 1:12:59] Erik: All right.
[1:12:59 – 1:13:00] Adam: There’s one.
[1:13:01 – 1:13:04] Adam: But that’s only in the case if there was bugs, I would say.
[1:13:04 – 1:13:05] Erik: There’s really no bugs.
[1:13:05 – 1:13:05] Adam: There wasn’t.
[1:13:05 – 1:13:08] Adam: So I’m putting it on the keeper side.
[1:13:08 – 1:13:09] Erik: Yeah.
[1:13:09 – 1:13:16] Adam: But next up on the show, yeah, there’s a true friend of the show, Hopalicious.
[1:13:16 – 1:13:18] Adam: Hello.
[1:13:18 – 1:13:19] Adam: Hey, hey, hey, hey.
[1:13:21 – 1:13:22] Adam: Two boxes of howl.
[1:13:22 – 1:13:25] Adam: Only two boxes of Franzia for Hopalicious.
[1:13:25 – 1:13:27] Adam: What’s wrong with you people?
[1:13:27 – 1:13:30] Adam: I’ll award two before I even read the comment.
[1:13:31 – 1:13:31] SPEAKER_00: That’s not enough.
[1:13:32 – 1:13:34] Adam: Old canoe guy is down here with only one.
[1:13:34 – 1:13:35] Adam: You’re getting two extra as well.
[1:13:35 – 1:13:36] Adam: I’ll read both of these.
[1:13:36 – 1:13:42] Adam: I’ve already awarded four extra boxes of wine, as is the custom.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:45] Adam: Hopalicious, though, is first.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:50] Adam: In previous years, I would have seen the lack of fire as a big problem.
[1:13:50 – 1:13:56] Adam: Not a deal breaker, but something that would really make you say, Cripes all Friday, a few times.
[1:13:57 – 1:14:00] Adam: After doing a solo, I now look at the fire differently.
[1:14:00 – 1:14:02] Adam: When in a group, the fire is nice.
[1:14:02 – 1:14:06] Adam: End of the day, town square to share a drink and make fun of the guy who caught the fewest fish.
[1:14:07 – 1:14:12] Adam: When alone, you get it started and then just silently stare at it for a while.
[1:14:12 – 1:14:13] Erik: Yeah.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:19] Adam: Maybe you make fun of yourself for losing a big smallie at the boat because you can’t tie a good cinchnot.
[1:14:20 – 1:14:21] Adam: Clunchnot, sorry.
[1:14:22 – 1:14:28] Adam: You stare into the glowing embers, slowly shake your head and mutter, you should have tied a palomar.
[1:14:30 – 1:14:32] Adam: That novelty wears off real fast.
[1:14:32 – 1:14:35] Adam: I would now view a fire ban as a minor inconvenience.
[1:14:35 – 1:14:42] Adam: Instead of doing the town hall around the fire grate, you can do it along shore while you DCR out at the lake.
[1:14:43 – 1:14:46] SPEAKER_00: Dead Calm Reflections.
[1:14:47 – 1:14:53] Adam: A good comparison is how annoyed you get when it’s cloudy and you miss out on a night of crispy stargazing.
[1:14:53 – 1:14:53] Adam: There you go.
[1:14:53 – 1:14:57] Adam: There’s some nice positive mental attitude.
[1:14:57 – 1:14:59] Adam: Always keep it positive.
[1:14:59 – 1:15:04] Adam: I like this comment a lot, and I’m going to enter you in the hat for the comment of the night.
[1:15:05 – 1:15:07] Erik: Wow, this is a new introduction to the show.
[1:15:07 – 1:15:11] Erik: There’s a hat that you’re throwing comments of the night.
[1:15:11 – 1:15:13] Adam: Eric is over here like, what is with this hat he’s got?
[1:15:14 – 1:15:15] Adam: That’s what’s up with the hat.
[1:15:15 – 1:15:18] Adam: I’ve been entering these comments into the comment of the night hat.
[1:15:19 – 1:15:21] Adam: It’s definitely not a sombrero.
[1:15:21 – 1:15:22] Adam: That wouldn’t be cool.
[1:15:22 – 1:15:26] Adam: Next up on the show, Old Canoe Guy with only one box of wine.
[1:15:26 – 1:15:29] Adam: As I’ve said, we’ve spiced that up to three boxes of wine.
[1:15:30 – 1:15:32] Adam: You shall never drink alone, Old Canoe Guy.
[1:15:33 – 1:15:34] Adam: Minor inconvenience.
[1:15:34 – 1:15:35] Adam: There we go.
[1:15:35 – 1:15:35] Adam: All right.
[1:15:35 – 1:15:38] Adam: So we’re up to… Minor inconvenience.
[1:15:38 – 1:15:39] Adam: I’m going to go ahead and call it.
[1:15:39 – 1:15:40] Adam: We’re up to 20 to nothing right now.
[1:15:40 – 1:15:43] Adam: I’m going to score that one as keep going because there’s no bugs.
[1:15:44 – 1:15:45] Adam: 20 to nothing.
[1:15:45 – 1:15:46] Adam: Minor inconvenience.
[1:15:46 – 1:15:52] Adam: We would just pack a few more cylinders of propane for our 22-year-old two-burner Coleman stove.
[1:15:52 – 1:15:53] Adam: I think we have the same stove.
[1:15:54 – 1:15:55] Adam: Are we stove brothers?
[1:15:55 – 1:15:56] Adam: Stove brothers.
[1:15:57 – 1:15:58] Adam: Welcome to the stove club.
[1:15:59 – 1:16:00] Adam: Stove brothers.
[1:16:02 – 1:16:04] Adam: We would leave the saw and hand axe behind.
[1:16:04 – 1:16:11] Adam: We do like a drink or three around the fire at night, but an extra shot of Jack can give us a glow of its own sort.
[1:16:11 – 1:16:12] Adam: There you go.
[1:16:13 – 1:16:14] Adam: Start a fire within.
[1:16:15 – 1:16:19] Adam: The fire within is stronger than the fire of the world.
[1:16:20 – 1:16:20] Adam: Nailed it.
[1:16:20 – 1:16:21] Adam: Ethereal.
[1:16:21 – 1:16:22] Adam: Fire.
[1:16:22 – 1:16:23] Adam: Ephemeral.
[1:16:23 – 1:16:23] Adam: Fire.
[1:16:24 – 1:16:26] Adam: The fire within of the Jack, old canoe guy.
[1:16:26 – 1:16:29] Adam: What’s with these accents?
[1:16:29 – 1:16:31] Erik: I’m not even sure where you’re from anymore.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:34] Adam: It’s some sort of island.
[1:16:35 – 1:16:38] Erik: We’re getting, yeah, I mean, some sort of island.
[1:16:39 – 1:16:40] Erik: Getting down there.
[1:16:41 – 1:16:45] Erik: Three more comments to go.
[1:16:46 – 1:16:47] Erik: Toftyrific.
[1:16:48 – 1:16:53] Erik: I just got out of a five-day backpack camp at Crosby Manitou.
[1:16:53 – 1:16:57] Erik: The state park fire ban went into effect two days before our trip.
[1:16:58 – 1:17:09] Erik: I initially had concerns over the ban, but now that I’m in the afterglow, I would definitely, wait for it, not cancel a trip over this.
[1:17:09 – 1:17:10] Adam: Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
[1:17:11 – 1:17:12] Erik: The route continues.
[1:17:12 – 1:17:16] Erik: No gathering or fire tending gave us more time for adventures during the day.
[1:17:16 – 1:17:20] Erik: The absence of boozy fireside chats led to boozy night hikes.
[1:17:21 – 1:17:25] Erik: Any audible call on a trip usually leads to a good story afterwards.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:28] Erik: This trip was one of a kind.
[1:17:28 – 1:17:29] Erik: P.S.
[1:17:29 – 1:17:33] Erik: Party lights were hands down the best gear addition.
[1:17:37 – 1:17:42] Erik: Spiral your party lights under the fire grate for a fire effect.
[1:17:42 – 1:17:50] Erik: Download some U-Log crackling sounds if you need the full multimedia experience.
[1:17:51 – 1:17:52] Erik: Future question of the week.
[1:17:53 – 1:17:55] Erik: Best packing strategy for party lights.
[1:17:56 – 1:17:57] Erik: Just shove them in.
[1:17:57 – 1:17:58] Adam: Dolby.
[1:17:59 – 1:18:25] Adam: surround sound fire crackles yeah gotta get multiple little bluetooth speakers to go with your party lights yeah crackling we’re in a post-fire future maybe we are never have a fire again i’ll never burn you’ll never burn alone never burn ever you’ll never burn ever does duluth pack make a party light accessory bag for under three hundred dollars
[1:18:26 – 1:18:27] Adam: Don’t take the red pill, Eric.
[1:18:27 – 1:18:29] Adam: Northwood’s Morpheus always takes the blue pill.
[1:18:31 – 1:18:32] SPEAKER_00: Never burn again.
[1:18:33 – 1:18:35] Adam: The fire, Eric, is illusion.
[1:18:39 – 1:18:40] Adam: Think about that.
[1:18:40 – 1:18:41] Adam: I’m thinking about it.
[1:18:41 – 1:18:41] Adam: Oh, yeah, it’s true.
[1:18:42 – 1:18:44] Erik: You got a big one there?
[1:18:44 – 1:18:46] Adam: We’re living inside a simulation, mate.
[1:18:47 – 1:18:49] Adam: What is with this guy?
[1:18:49 – 1:18:52] Adam: Next up on the show, Huey J.
[1:18:54 – 1:18:57] Adam: Only one box of wine, I believe.
[1:18:58 – 1:18:59] Adam: This is 20.
[1:18:59 – 1:19:01] Adam: Now it says 27 days ago.
[1:19:01 – 1:19:02] Adam: Yeah, hilarious.
[1:19:02 – 1:19:04] Adam: All these other ones were one minute ago.
[1:19:04 – 1:19:06] Adam: Is there something wrong with the internet?
[1:19:07 – 1:19:07] Adam: 27 days ago.
[1:19:07 – 1:19:08] Adam: Hey, Jay.
[1:19:08 – 1:19:09] Adam: Welcome to the show.
[1:19:11 – 1:19:14] Adam: This time of year, the fire ban hasn’t impacted my trips much.
[1:19:15 – 1:19:27] Adam: I was on a trip through the dreaded Meads entry to Winchell in mid-June, and between the heat and ridiculously long sunlight, I really questioned why I was even bothering to have a fire.
[1:19:27 – 1:19:32] Adam: But did it nonetheless for a bit of evening ambiance when it finally did get a little dark.
[1:19:33 – 1:19:40] Adam: But that trip was also when it dropped to 38 degrees one morning, so it was nice to have a fire in the morning to warm up with an extra cup of coffee.
[1:19:41 – 1:19:48] Adam: More recently, I was on a solo out to Banadad with the fire ban on and didn’t miss campfires one bit.
[1:19:49 – 1:19:54] Adam: Leaving the silky big boy behind was one less way to get seriously injured while out alone.
[1:19:55 – 1:20:03] Adam: And the time that would have been spent wood gnoming instead went to lounging in the sultry haze sun while reading a book of sled dog stories.
[1:20:04 – 1:20:06] Adam: It was the only way to stay cool.
[1:20:06 – 1:20:08] Adam: Even the water was warm.
[1:20:09 – 1:20:16] Adam: Come August, I’ll be missing out a little more on a trip planned with another family where campfire and bag wine is a main attraction.
[1:20:17 – 1:20:24] Adam: Looking to later in September and October when you’ve got cool nights and four hours of darkness to get through each evening before bed.
[1:20:24 – 1:20:30] Adam: At that point, I might consider an overnight trip and just look at some day paddles.
[1:20:30 – 1:20:31] SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
[1:20:31 – 1:20:39] Adam: I’m going to still score that as a keep going, but with the caveat that in October you may not want to keep going.
[1:20:39 – 1:20:42] Adam: We will cross that fire when we come to it, though.
[1:20:43 – 1:20:48] Adam: Next up on the show, and I believe this is the final comment.
[1:20:50 – 1:20:51] Adam: Free beer is good.
[1:20:52 – 1:20:52] Adam: Indeed.
[1:20:53 – 1:20:54] Adam: One box of wine.
[1:20:54 – 1:20:58] Adam: A week in the BWCA without a fire is hard to imagine.
[1:20:59 – 1:21:06] Adam: And at this point, I may just try to calculate how much fuel for my MSR Dragonfly stove I need to bring to be able to cook.
[1:21:07 – 1:21:11] Adam: and use it as a gas fireplace, like a centerpiece to keep the group company during the evenings.
[1:21:11 – 1:21:12] Adam: There we go.
[1:21:12 – 1:21:14] Adam: That’s the first comment I’ve heard of.
[1:21:14 – 1:21:16] Adam: Just let it burn.
[1:21:16 – 1:21:17] Adam: Let it burn all the way down.
[1:21:17 – 1:21:19] Adam: Yeah, bring extra gas.
[1:21:20 – 1:21:21] Adam: I mean, honestly, gas doesn’t weigh that much.
[1:21:22 – 1:21:24] Adam: Just double portage and bring a lot of gas.
[1:21:24 – 1:21:25] Erik: It doesn’t weigh anything.
[1:21:25 – 1:21:29] Erik: It’s just the bulk of the canisters, though, that’s kind of obnoxious.
[1:21:29 – 1:21:35] Adam: All right, so final score is 24 keep going to zero cancel trip.
[1:21:36 – 1:21:36] Adam: Maybe a potential push.
[1:21:36 – 1:21:38] Erik: With a few hedge bets.
[1:21:38 – 1:21:39] Erik: Push it a little later.
[1:21:39 – 1:21:42] Adam: It could be considered a 22 to 2 to 0.
[1:21:42 – 1:21:43] Adam: Yeah.
[1:21:43 – 1:21:44] Adam: With two in the middle.
[1:21:44 – 1:21:49] Adam: But I’m going to just bump those over to the right side of the column here for keep going.
[1:21:50 – 1:21:52] Adam: Clear victory for Keep Going.
[1:21:53 – 1:21:57] Adam: Definitely people out there who are canceling trips when you have a fire ban on.
[1:21:57 – 1:22:01] Adam: Certainly people are canceling trips now that the entire park is closed, unfortunately.
[1:22:01 – 1:22:03] Adam: That’s a whole other story.
[1:22:03 – 1:22:06] Adam: But I think it’s a good week to have this conversation, Eric.
[1:22:06 – 1:22:06] Erik: Yeah.
[1:22:08 – 1:22:09] Erik: Yeah, I don’t even know.
[1:22:11 – 1:22:17] Erik: I don’t know how to necessarily move forward with a park that’s closed.
[1:22:17 – 1:22:20] Adam: Are you allowed to do day trips as a recovering outfitter?
[1:22:20 – 1:22:21] Adam: Do you know?
[1:22:22 – 1:22:25] Adam: During a complete closure, nobody’s in there.
[1:22:25 – 1:22:26] Erik: No, I think it’s closed entirely.
[1:22:27 – 1:22:31] Adam: What if you’re just on a lake that’s half in the Boundary Waters and half in the Boundary Waters?
[1:22:31 – 1:22:34] Adam: Are you even allowed to motorboat down to the Boundary Waters section?
[1:22:35 – 1:22:39] Adam: For instance, on a lake where you have a 10-horse limit or something down to the end of the lake.
[1:22:40 – 1:22:42] Adam: Or is that even closed?
[1:22:42 – 1:22:43] Erik: Nobody’s in there.
[1:22:43 – 1:22:43] Erik: I am not aware of.
[1:22:44 – 1:22:47] Adam: I would say nobody’s allowed in there.
[1:22:47 – 1:22:48] Erik: I would say, who knows though?
[1:22:49 – 1:22:50] Erik: Don’t even think about it.
[1:22:50 – 1:23:08] Erik: I’m sure their language is hyper vague and confusing and can be interpreted in a multitude of ways that will allow you to excuse yourself from doing whatever you want essentially that doesn’t actually find yourself camping at the end of the day.
[1:23:09 – 1:23:19] Adam: As long as their liability needs are met by the slimy lawyers the government hires to cover their own tracks, then I think they’re good.
[1:23:19 – 1:23:19] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:23:20 – 1:23:28] Adam: Yeah, I literally heard about the Boundary Waters being closed from like 10 other sources before the actual Superior National Forest Facebook page updated.
[1:23:29 – 1:23:32] Adam: And I would say the actual website will never be updated.
[1:23:32 – 1:23:34] Adam: So interesting how that worked.
[1:23:35 – 1:23:36] Erik: Yeah, I don’t get how all that works.
[1:23:37 – 1:23:37] SPEAKER_00: I don’t understand.
[1:23:39 – 1:23:43] Adam: Yeah, honestly, I was shocked when they just were like, no, it’s closed.
[1:23:43 – 1:23:45] Adam: But honestly, my first reaction then was like, good.
[1:23:46 – 1:23:46] Erik: Yeah.
[1:23:46 – 1:23:47] Adam: Good.
[1:23:47 – 1:23:49] Adam: I mean, at first it’s like, yeah, good.
[1:23:49 – 1:23:55] Adam: I don’t want any more bozos out on Clara Lake Island starting just fires saying the rules don’t apply to me.
[1:23:55 – 1:23:57] Adam: But that’s not really the issue here.
[1:23:57 – 1:24:00] Adam: The issue is there’s limited resources out there to fight these fires.
[1:24:00 – 1:24:02] Adam: There are fires growing all around us right now.
[1:24:03 – 1:24:05] Adam: The wind is howling even at night.
[1:24:05 – 1:24:20] Adam: And, yeah, it’s one less thing for them to worry about, honestly, and one less use of their own precious resources to, like, try and keep this situation under control because we’re living in a tinderbox right now and a constant waking nightmare.
[1:24:22 – 1:24:26] Adam: But we are still living in a beautiful wilderness, and even in its dry state, it is beautiful, Eric.
[1:24:27 – 1:24:27] Erik: Yeah, no, it is.
[1:24:27 – 1:24:28] Adam: It’s kind of like the desert right now.
[1:24:29 – 1:24:32] Erik: Yeah, it’s like, man, why don’t I go out and take a drive out to the desert?
[1:24:32 – 1:24:33] Erik: I’m like, well, I could just…
[1:24:33 – 1:24:34] Erik: Just stay here.
[1:24:34 – 1:24:35] Erik: Just hang here.
[1:24:36 – 1:24:37] Erik: Can of fires.
[1:24:37 – 1:24:38] Adam: Plant a few cactus.
[1:24:38 – 1:24:46] Adam: I mean, honestly, I kind of say we kind of live in a rainforest at times, but also in the winter, it’s so dry here.
[1:24:46 – 1:24:49] Adam: You’re kind of in like a cold desert in the winter.
[1:24:49 – 1:24:50] Erik: Yeah.
[1:24:50 – 1:24:53] Adam: And now we’re in just kind of a hot desert.
[1:24:54 – 1:24:57] Adam: So I always feel like this is a wet place to live.
[1:24:58 – 1:24:59] SPEAKER_00: Just because of all the…
[1:25:00 – 1:25:23] Adam: rain we usually get the snow we usually get all the lakes the water is everywhere this is a land of water but there are times of the year where it does feel like you are living in a desert environment particularly in the winter when the lakes are frozen but right now this is the first time in all my years living up here though i really feel like we’re living in like a hot desert
[1:25:24 – 1:25:29] Adam: A summer desert up here, and honestly, I just feel bad for the trees.
[1:25:29 – 1:25:31] Adam: The trees look really sad and pathetic.
[1:25:31 – 1:25:33] Erik: The trees are so bad.
[1:25:34 – 1:25:37] Erik: Many of them just straight up are dead.
[1:25:38 – 1:25:39] Erik: Smaller ones, of course.
[1:25:39 – 1:25:42] Adam: No, my favorite big spruce tree out back is just dead.
[1:25:44 – 1:25:46] Adam: I don’t think it’s ever coming back, honestly.
[1:25:47 – 1:25:48] Adam: It’s like a one-and-a-half hugger.
[1:25:49 – 1:25:51] Adam: Biggest spruce tree I own, dead.
[1:25:52 – 1:25:57] Erik: Yeah, anything that’s, especially depending on where you find the tree.
[1:25:58 – 1:26:04] Erik: The Magnetic Rock hiking trail today was just like, yeah, these are all just dead, dead trees.
[1:26:05 – 1:26:10] Erik: But they’re also clinging to life on a precarious scale.
[1:26:11 – 1:26:22] Erik: plot of the earth already like you’re gonna try to grow there you’re gonna try really you’re gonna try to grow this is the place on that slab of essentially uh
[1:26:26 – 1:26:48] Erik: canadian shield where maybe a little soil has gathered i don’t need to do it yeah no it’s you’re gonna be the first you’re gonna be the first to succumb but it’s places like not even just places but like some of the the drives over the last couple of weeks that i’ve taken and you come around a corner and you see a hill and it’s it doesn’t
[1:26:50 – 1:26:55] Erik: The trees on the hillsides, it doesn’t even look like fall.
[1:26:55 – 1:26:58] Erik: It doesn’t look like anything that I’ve really ever even seen before.
[1:26:59 – 1:27:02] Erik: It’s not like they’re changing colors where it’s like these brilliant colors.
[1:27:03 – 1:27:03] Erik: Yes.
[1:27:03 – 1:27:14] Erik: It’s just like this like drab green and partially like yellowed hillsides.
[1:27:14 – 1:27:17] Adam: It looks like a compost pile that needs to be stirred.
[1:27:18 – 1:27:18] Adam: Sure.
[1:27:18 – 1:27:21] Adam: Like it’s not vibrant and exciting.
[1:27:21 – 1:27:25] Adam: It just is like, it just looks like, it looks like death.
[1:27:25 – 1:27:26] Erik: Yeah.
[1:27:26 – 1:27:26] Erik: Yeah.
[1:27:26 – 1:27:40] Erik: No, it’s, I mean, it’s getting to be about that time of year where some of the ferns, the understory kind of starts getting all dried out and burnt and then dying out.
[1:27:40 – 1:27:41] Erik: And that’s to be expected.
[1:27:41 – 1:27:41] Erik: Yeah.
[1:27:42 – 1:27:47] Erik: But some of the hikes that I’ve been on recently, they’re just…
[1:27:48 – 1:27:53] Erik: Fully dead yellow and brown ferns.
[1:27:53 – 1:27:55] Erik: And then even the big trees.
[1:27:56 – 1:28:08] Erik: Trees that should be able to sustain lack of moisture for periods of time are being affected.
[1:28:10 – 1:28:12] Erik: And yeah, I mean, you can feel bad for them.
[1:28:12 – 1:28:13] Erik: You can feel bad for the animals.
[1:28:13 – 1:28:17] Erik: And there’s really not much you can do about it beyond that.
[1:28:20 – 1:28:26] Adam: Yeah, I was out in the yard a couple days ago, and these big yellow leaves are coming off the poplar trees, and they’re bright yellow.
[1:28:27 – 1:28:27] Adam: Yeah.
[1:28:27 – 1:28:29] Adam: But it’s not that kind of bright.
[1:28:29 – 1:28:32] Adam: It’s bright for August, if that makes sense.
[1:28:34 – 1:28:35] Adam: Ah, it’s disturbing.
[1:28:36 – 1:28:37] Adam: It’s throwing me off quite a bit.
[1:28:37 – 1:28:38] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:28:38 – 1:28:41] Adam: I think this is part of why everybody’s kind of on edge.
[1:28:42 – 1:28:45] Adam: We’ve skipped ahead a couple months in the time frame.
[1:28:46 – 1:28:47] Adam: It’s unnatural.
[1:28:47 – 1:28:47] Adam: Yeah.
[1:28:47 – 1:29:00] Erik: Yeah, there’s a general sense of anxiety while everybody is trying to still maintain a business or go about their regularly scheduled lives.
[1:29:01 – 1:29:01] Erik: Yeah.
[1:29:03 – 1:29:19] Adam: Anyways, for anybody out there that had a trip just canceled or anybody that just commented on this thread that we’ve gotten to now that had a trip canceled or is going to end up canceling a trip because of what’s going on up here, it sucks.
[1:29:21 – 1:29:21] Adam: It really sucks.
[1:29:22 – 1:29:24] Erik: Yeah, generally that’s about all you can say.
[1:29:24 – 1:29:26] Adam: I’m sorry it messed your plans up.
[1:29:27 – 1:29:28] Adam: There’s nothing you can really do about it.
[1:29:29 – 1:29:30] Adam: We are ultimately like,
[1:29:33 – 1:29:39] Adam: small, insignificant creatures on this rock, but it still sucks.
[1:29:40 – 1:29:44] Adam: But that’s the way it goes.
[1:29:44 – 1:29:47] Adam: And unfortunately, I do think this is going to be more of a regular thing.
[1:29:47 – 1:29:48] Adam: I hope we don’t see like…
[1:29:50 – 1:30:12] Adam: i hope honestly this is the only time in my life i see the boundary waters closed like i don’t even understand how to like comprehend this honestly we’re a boundary waters podcast they just closed the entire park this entire map we’re looking at you’re not allowed to go in there right now shut her down for the right reasons like i i agree with the the entire idea and like why they’re doing it i agree with this decision but
[1:30:13 – 1:30:13] Adam: It just sucks.
[1:30:14 – 1:30:17] Adam: The whole thing sucks, but we’re going to get through it.
[1:30:18 – 1:30:20] Adam: The podcast is going to keep going.
[1:30:21 – 1:30:26] Adam: The trips will go on and maybe in a couple of weeks it’ll, uh, it’ll all improve, but.
[1:30:26 – 1:30:27] Erik: Well, the days are getting shorter.
[1:30:27 – 1:30:33] Erik: There’s dew points are coming up where you get those night, you get the night dews.
[1:30:34 – 1:30:34] Erik: That helps a lot.
[1:30:35 – 1:30:38] Erik: That sun isn’t beating down at the same angle.
[1:30:39 – 1:30:42] Erik: Things are moving in the right direction.
[1:30:44 – 1:30:45] Erik: It’s not great.
[1:30:46 – 1:30:53] Erik: It’s still early for a fire season of this magnitude, but it is also, again, in the grand scale of things.
[1:30:55 – 1:31:00] Erik: 3.5, 13.5, whatever it is, billion years back into the future.
[1:31:03 – 1:31:04] Erik: We’re here now.
[1:31:05 – 1:31:07] Adam: The light is still on.
[1:31:07 – 1:31:08] Adam: The party light is still on.
[1:31:09 – 1:31:15] Erik: Yeah, the light is still on, and until the lights go out, do your best.
[1:31:16 – 1:31:18] Erik: Stay positive.
[1:31:19 – 1:31:22] Erik: Tomahomecast at gmail.com.
[1:31:23 – 1:31:30] Erik: I’ve been receiving a lot of, like I said over the course of the last two weeks, positive emotional support.
[1:31:32 – 1:31:35] Erik: I am still here for the retribution.
[1:31:35 – 1:31:37] Erik: Not retribution.
[1:31:37 – 1:31:39] Erik: It’s a reckoning.
[1:31:40 – 1:31:41] Erik: I’m here to reckon.
[1:31:42 – 1:31:50] Erik: No, to provide any kind of support in the opposite direction, in whatever that means.
[1:31:51 – 1:32:00] Erik: Future planning, how to make adjustments for cancellations of permits, anything along those lines that you see fit.
[1:32:01 – 1:32:02] Erik: I’m available.
[1:32:02 – 1:32:09] Erik: And if there are still art supplies out there, I can’t imagine too many of them will be heading our way in the next week because of cancellations.
[1:32:10 – 1:32:15] Erik: But, um, we can maybe set up a meet or always, uh,
[1:32:18 – 1:32:19] Erik: The Cook County Whole Foods Co-op.
[1:32:19 – 1:32:20] Adam: Come on down to the Co-op.
[1:32:20 – 1:32:23] Adam: Starve your corporate masters and come on down to the Co-op.
[1:32:24 – 1:32:24] Erik: Yeah.
[1:32:24 – 1:32:25] Adam: We work for ourselves.
[1:32:26 – 1:32:28] Adam: The finest grocery and deli in the land.
[1:32:29 – 1:32:32] Adam: And also, we have plenty of cold storage for your beers.
[1:32:32 – 1:32:35] Adam: And I have a fresh stack of stickers.
[1:32:35 – 1:32:39] Adam: Stop on by and, you know, apply if you want to.
[1:32:39 – 1:32:41] Erik: Or just stop on by.
[1:32:41 – 1:32:41] Erik: And apply.
[1:32:42 – 1:32:43] Adam: Please stop and apply.
[1:32:44 – 1:32:45] Adam: Try our scones.
[1:32:45 – 1:32:46] Adam: They’re incredible.
[1:32:47 – 1:32:47] Adam: Not dry.
[1:32:49 – 1:32:50] Erik: Just the perfect amount of dry.
[1:32:50 – 1:32:51] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[1:32:51 – 1:32:53] Adam: And, yeah, I’ll always be there.
[1:32:54 – 1:32:58] Adam: If I’m not there, the deli staff is high quality and they know what to do.
[1:32:59 – 1:33:00] Adam: Make sure you leave your name.
[1:33:01 – 1:33:04] Adam: Make sure you leave your name in some way so that we can give you proper credit.
[1:33:04 – 1:33:06] Adam: We had a couple of donations this week.
[1:33:06 – 1:33:08] Adam: I believe we have proper attribution.
[1:33:09 – 1:33:11] Adam: But it doesn’t hurt.
[1:33:11 – 1:33:14] Adam: I’m not asking for a thank you card or anything like that.
[1:33:14 – 1:33:21] Adam: I just want your name, even if you have to leave it with Barb the baker on a post-it note or something.
[1:33:21 – 1:33:22] Adam: Just let her know.
[1:33:22 – 1:33:23] Erik: Just for proper shout-outs.
[1:33:23 – 1:33:26] Adam: The regular baker, Barb, the hardest worker I’ve ever met.
[1:33:27 – 1:33:29] Adam: If we had more of those, oh, boy.
[1:33:29 – 1:33:30] Adam: If only this world could be filled with Barbs.
[1:33:30 – 1:33:32] Adam: We’d be gods on the North Shore.
[1:33:33 – 1:33:34] Erik: We need more Bobs.
[1:33:37 – 1:33:37] Adam: Yeah.
[1:33:38 – 1:33:41] Adam: Anyways, we’ve done pretty good work on the Oberon barrel.
[1:33:42 – 1:33:43] Adam: I can lift it up with one hand now.
[1:33:43 – 1:33:44] Adam: Is it under half?
[1:33:44 – 1:33:45] Adam: I think we got her under half.
[1:33:45 – 1:33:46] Adam: We’re going to keep going.
[1:33:46 – 1:33:48] Adam: Next up on the show is Tumble Tunes.
[1:33:49 – 1:33:51] Adam: Going to have to be on Patreon to check that one out.
[1:33:51 – 1:33:52] Adam: We’re going to talk about Lump.
[1:33:52 – 1:33:54] Adam: Oh, can’t wait to talk about Lump.
[1:33:55 – 1:33:55] Adam: We’re going to talk about Lump.
[1:33:55 – 1:33:59] Adam: We’re probably going to talk about Blue Morpho a little bit and the Butterfly 3000.
[1:34:00 – 1:34:01] Erik: The new Billie Eilish album?
[1:34:01 – 1:34:04] Adam: We’re going to talk about Billie Eilish a little bit.
[1:34:04 – 1:34:05] Adam: For sure.
[1:34:05 – 1:34:07] Adam: We’re going to talk about Obscured by Clouds.
[1:34:08 – 1:34:08] Adam: Yes.
[1:34:08 – 1:34:09] Adam: Absolutely.
[1:34:09 – 1:34:12] Adam: Hot new music from Pink Floyd.
[1:34:12 – 1:34:13] Adam: They’re still going.
[1:34:15 – 1:34:16] Adam: Thank you all for listening.
[1:34:17 – 1:34:18] Adam: Really appreciate it.
[1:34:18 – 1:34:21] Adam: It’s good to be talking about the Boundary Waters, even when the Boundary Waters
[1:34:21 – 1:34:22] Adam: is off limits.
[1:34:22 – 1:34:25] Adam: It almost makes it a little more enticing to talk about.
[1:34:25 – 1:34:29] Adam: It’s quite naughty talking about a park you can’t even go in.
[1:34:30 – 1:34:42] Adam: And for Tumble Home Studios, my name has been Adam, joined by my best man, Eric, here in the Tumble Shed, along with Arrow, the Bork Ranger.
[1:34:43 – 1:34:44] Erik: The Bork Ranger.
[1:34:44 – 1:34:46] Erik: She’s down there.
[1:34:46 – 1:34:51] Erik: You’re going to give me a hand setting up my cot because this is where I’m sleeping tonight.
[1:34:51 – 1:34:51] Erik: Yeah.
[1:34:52 – 1:34:55] Adam: It’s my first ever attempt at somebody sleeping in the studio.
[1:34:55 – 1:34:56] Adam: It’s going to be great.
[1:34:56 – 1:34:58] Adam: All right.
[1:34:58 – 1:34:59] Adam: That concludes this episode.
[1:34:59 – 1:35:00] Adam: Thank you for being with us.
[1:35:01 – 1:35:03] Adam: And stay safe out there.
[1:35:03 – 1:35:05] Adam: And, you know, stay hydrated.
[1:35:06 – 1:35:07] Adam: It’s important for your skin.
[1:35:08 – 1:35:09] Erik: Happy future paddling.
[1:35:12 – 1:35:12] Adam: Good night.