Episode Transcript
[0:00:12 – 0:00:27] Adam: all on board all on board trains leaving the station everybody hop on the caboose just the caboose tumble home express uh a first i believe
[0:00:29 – 0:00:35] Erik: A non-entry point or route-based express episode.
[0:00:36 – 0:00:38] Erik: What are we talking about today?
[0:00:39 – 0:00:41] Adam: Current winter travel conditions, Eric.
[0:00:41 – 0:00:45] Erik: Current winter travel conditions.
[0:00:45 – 0:00:47] Adam: I guess it’s just winter travel.
[0:00:47 – 0:00:48] Erik: Winter travel in general.
[0:00:48 – 0:00:56] Adam: We’re going to review this brochure I picked up at the Clearwater Entry Point box a few days ago.
[0:00:57 – 0:00:58] Adam: They have a nice brochure available.
[0:00:58 – 0:01:00] Adam: I’ve seen this brochure before.
[0:01:00 – 0:01:01] Adam: I’ve never actually grabbed one.
[0:01:02 – 0:01:06] Adam: And so we’ve got our hands on a certified government document.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:13] Adam: We’re going to be looking over this thing and making fun of it a little bit.
[0:01:13 – 0:01:37] Adam: probably ah roast mode that’s what we’re just gonna call this episode roast mode yeah so uh gotta start with a nice quote on the front there’s some nice uh artistic snowflakes on the front this is called boundary waters canoe area wilderness winter travel brochure the u.s uh department of agricultural forest service is an equal opportunity provider and employee
[0:01:37 – 0:01:41] Erik: I love that they feel like they need to put that on the front page of the pamphlet.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:43] Adam: Thank you for putting that right on the front.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:51] Adam: And I love how they have a nice border, which is completely not even close to being centered on the front of the brochure at all.
[0:01:52 – 0:01:57] Adam: I’m surprised they actually have only, it looks like only five different fonts on the front alone.
[0:01:57 – 0:01:59] Adam: I’m going to get to the quote here.
[0:02:00 – 0:02:02] Adam: I love the deep silence of the winter woods.
[0:02:03 – 0:02:05] Adam: It is a stillness you can rest your whole weight against.
[0:02:06 – 0:02:09] Adam: So profound, you’re sure it will hold and last.
[0:02:11 – 0:02:13] Adam: Florence Paget Jacquet.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:15] Adam: Thank you, Florence.
[0:02:16 – 0:02:19] Adam: So that’s a nice start, and the brochure only gets better from there.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:22] Erik: So this is available for anybody at…
[0:02:24 – 0:02:44] Adam: uh an entry point to the banjo waters if you’ve got a wooden box in the winter it appears they’re stocking these now to keep people in line from spreading their dog other things around uh the wilderness uh but i don’t know i’ve seen these around for a while now but i think they’re relatively new they’re kind of nice brochures
[0:02:46 – 0:02:55] Adam: But, once again, they’re from the government, so they make no sense, and their spacing and kerning is abhorrent.
[0:02:57 – 0:03:01] Adam: Like, every single section of this brochure is not aligned properly.
[0:03:02 – 0:03:26] Adam: at least they’re folded that’s nice uh section one smart and safe wilderness travel eric you got to plan ahead wilderness travel in the winter requires self-reliance good judgment and knowledge of your limits make sure you have one a map and compass and know how to use them two adequate clothing for a possible change in the weather and to prevent hypothermia and frostbite three a first aid kit
[0:03:27 – 0:03:30] Adam: Four, enough food and water for unexpected delays.
[0:03:30 – 0:03:34] Adam: And five, trip itinerary left with someone at home.
[0:03:35 – 0:03:41] Adam: These are all pretty standard and good ideas if you’re going out in the woods in the winter or onto a lake.
[0:03:42 – 0:03:55] Adam: I got to say, when I picked this thing up, the number one thing I noticed is there’s a huge sign at the bottom of the landing at Clearwater, like a tripod, with a big sign up that says, No Fat Tire Bikes, Eric.
[0:03:57 – 0:04:23] Adam: and I’ve been to a few other entry points lately and I had not noticed this feature so is Clearwater somehow become a mecca for fat tire bikers seeking ice the consistency of concrete or is this just an experimental sign put up to discourage anybody from thinking about taking instagrams in front of the palisades with their fat tire bike what’s the deal
[0:04:24 – 0:04:46] Erik: i don’t know i have not physically seen a fat tire bike on clearwater yeah now we did see fat tire bikers on the bear grease trail but i didn’t see anything uh as far as like i’ve never seen a fat tire biker in the actual park no i don’t i mean this is a conversation we’ve had numerous times in the past it
[0:04:49 – 0:04:59] Erik: Why the Forest Service deems certain things as illegal, not allowed, and some things allowed.
[0:04:59 – 0:05:02] Adam: I was explaining this to somebody and they’re like, why?
[0:05:02 – 0:05:02] Adam: Yeah, no.
[0:05:03 – 0:05:06] Adam: Because it’s a wheel and it allows you to travel faster than you should.
[0:05:07 – 0:05:09] Adam: Meanwhile, I’m being pulled by a dog on skis.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:18] Adam: and then setting up my tip-ups with a Vexilar mechanical unit run off of a battery to tell me how deep it is, what’s the difference?
[0:05:18 – 0:05:23] Adam: That also has a wheel of lights that flashes the depth of the lake at me.
[0:05:23 – 0:05:26] Erik: Is a hand mixer allowed?
[0:05:27 – 0:05:36] Adam: Well, you know, they put themselves in a tough spot, you know, by basically saying, you know, it’s… Yeah, I mean, it’s just arbitrary at this point.
[0:05:36 – 0:05:38] Adam: You can only do this, but not that.
[0:05:38 – 0:05:39] Adam: It makes no sense.
[0:05:39 – 0:05:44] Erik: I mean, I get it when it comes to portage maintenance.
[0:05:45 – 0:05:47] Erik: Like, yeah, you don’t want to have a bunch of bikes on it.
[0:05:47 – 0:05:51] Erik: Like, eh, probably trash a portage over the course of a couple of seasons.
[0:05:52 – 0:05:52] Erik: But in the winter…
[0:05:53 – 0:05:54] Adam: Yeah, you can ski and ice skate.
[0:05:54 – 0:05:59] Erik: Why can’t you have a fat tire bike out on the ice?
[0:05:59 – 0:06:07] Adam: Either way, it felt really good because we went by a group of snowmobilers kind of set up right at the edge of the boundary where the sticks are.
[0:06:08 – 0:06:15] Adam: And then Arrow and I just cruised right past them deep into the wilderness as they watched with a forlorn look.
[0:06:15 – 0:06:15] Adam: Deep.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:17] Adam: Look at those guys moving.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:18] Adam: Deep.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:21] Adam: Our vroom vrooms can’t go where the dog dog go.
[0:06:22 – 0:06:24] Erik: Bark bark versus vroom vroom.
[0:06:24 – 0:06:25] Adam: No bike allowed either.
[0:06:26 – 0:06:38] Adam: I get it because you could cover a ton of ground out there right now, which if we’re talking winter travel, just go ahead and say this is coming out on Monday or I guess this is going to come out next Thursday, this Thursday.
[0:06:38 – 0:06:45] Erik: Yeah, I mean, current conditions are about as perfect as they get for fast, solid ice travel.
[0:06:46 – 0:06:51] Adam: Yeah, it was a previous Thursday, and it was immaculate, like ideal conditions.
[0:06:51 – 0:07:11] Adam: Just enough snow where you could sort of grip with your skis and get push, but there was a lot of sections even then that were just pure ice, in which the best method was just to keep the skis as flat as possible and pull like your life depended on it, and we were making some pretty good time with a large sled of crap behind us.
[0:07:12 – 0:07:13] Adam: It was a lot of fun.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:16] Erik: Yeah, it’s almost perfect conditions out there.
[0:07:16 – 0:07:23] Erik: Which, again, kind of leads me to that same question, which is like, well, why not?
[0:07:23 – 0:07:25] Erik: Is it a slippery slope thing that they’re worried about?
[0:07:26 – 0:07:29] Erik: Well, if we allow bikes, then you’re going to have to have carts.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:36] Erik: We’ll have to allow wind carts with the sails and the skis and the blades that dig in.
[0:07:36 – 0:07:43] Adam: I’ve seen signage against hang gliders before, but I’ve never seen any signage against fat tire bikes, which
[0:07:43 – 0:07:45] Adam: Well, I’ve seen signage against bikes, for sure.
[0:07:45 – 0:07:47] Adam: Yeah, you’re not supposed to have a bike.
[0:07:47 – 0:07:51] Erik: But I don’t understand why hang gliders comes up as a concern.
[0:07:52 – 0:07:54] Adam: Who’s packing in a hang glider?
[0:07:54 – 0:07:55] Adam: I’m sick of these hang gliders.
[0:07:57 – 0:07:57] Adam: Everywhere.
[0:07:58 – 0:08:01] Erik: Last time I went to the Bongewaters, it was just riddled with hang gliders.
[0:08:01 – 0:08:02] Adam: And hot air balloons.
[0:08:02 – 0:08:03] Adam: I’m had it.
[0:08:03 – 0:08:04] Erik: Ridiculous.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:08] Adam: Next up on the brochure, prevent hypothermia and frostbite.
[0:08:08 – 0:08:11] Adam: Be prepared for extreme cold, wind, or wet conditions.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:13] Adam: Your safety is your responsibility.
[0:08:14 – 0:08:14] Adam: Sure.
[0:08:14 – 0:08:16] Adam: Part one, stay dry.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:16] UNKNOWN: Part one.
[0:08:18 – 0:08:42] Adam: yeah you couldn’t have left it just said like that dress in layers so you don’t overheat and change into dry clothing as needed part two drink plenty of water and eat often part three avoid open water and thin ice part four monitor exposed skin who came up with that bullet point monitor exposed skin eric what am i supposed to do with that information
[0:08:42 – 0:09:00] Erik: monitor it and then um slather it and uh mittens i mean if you are building this brochure yeah as a member of whatever team at the u.s forest service
[0:09:03 – 0:09:07] Erik: You think you would want to provide a little bit more information than just monitor?
[0:09:07 – 0:09:08] Erik: In what way?
[0:09:09 – 0:09:11] Erik: Essentially, it’s just saying, look at your skin.
[0:09:13 – 0:09:13] Erik: What am I looking for?
[0:09:14 – 0:09:15] Erik: What things should I be looking for?
[0:09:17 – 0:09:22] Erik: Redness, whiteness, not like blueness, exposed skin.
[0:09:23 – 0:09:23] Adam: Monitor it.
[0:09:24 – 0:09:26] Adam: If it looks weird, then you’re in trouble.
[0:09:26 – 0:09:27] Adam: Do something about it.
[0:09:27 – 0:09:27] Adam: Keep it dry.
[0:09:28 – 0:09:31] Erik: I mean, there hasn’t been too much up to this point to make fun of, really.
[0:09:31 – 0:09:32] Erik: But that one, that’s bad.
[0:09:32 – 0:09:33] Erik: That’s a bad bullet point.
[0:09:33 – 0:09:34] Adam: That one’s pretty weird.
[0:09:34 – 0:09:37] Adam: But I do like drink plenty of water and eat often.
[0:09:37 – 0:09:40] Adam: Because a lot of people say, you know, it’s really dry in the winter.
[0:09:41 – 0:09:43] Adam: Yeah, make sure you drink lots of water.
[0:09:43 – 0:09:44] Adam: That’s common sense.
[0:09:45 – 0:09:46] Adam: But eat often.
[0:09:46 – 0:09:47] Adam: It’s also important.
[0:09:47 – 0:09:48] Adam: You keep eating.
[0:09:48 – 0:09:51] Adam: Even if you don’t feel hungry, always be snacking.
[0:09:52 – 0:09:54] Adam: Always be snacking.
[0:09:55 – 0:10:01] Adam: Yeah, we were out on Clearwater, and I brought a picnic lunch fit for six people.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:05] Adam: And Josh and I just destroyed that.
[0:10:05 – 0:10:07] Adam: No problem.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:08] Adam: And rightly so.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:30] Adam: we were putting out a lot of energy to get out there so is the dog and it’s cool i got a lot of i brought like seven times the amount of normal meaty bone that arrow would normally want and uh put her in a nice little shady spot and we kind of fished and hung out for a couple hours and then uh kept on going it was fun water quality this is the top three things on the first page
[0:10:31 – 0:10:34] Adam: Plan ahead, prevent hypothermia, and lastly, water quality.
[0:10:35 – 0:10:42] Adam: Although the BWCA lake water may look clean and pure, drinking it without treating it may cause illness.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:46] Adam: Eric, use one of the following methods to treat your drinking water.
[0:10:46 – 0:10:48] Adam: I like how they bullet point and number everything.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:52] Adam: Except for in this case, they’ve been bullet pointing, and now for this one, they actually are numbering it.
[0:10:53 – 0:10:54] Adam: Inconsistent format.
[0:10:55 – 0:11:01] Adam: One, bring water to a full boil three to five minutes.
[0:11:01 – 0:11:06] Adam: Two, purify with a filter specifically designed to remove Giardia Lambia.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:11] Adam: Three, treat water with a chemical designed to kill Giardia Lambia.
[0:11:11 – 0:11:15] Adam: Thanks for the double Latin italicized Giardia Lambia.
[0:11:16 – 0:11:19] Erik: That’s a paragraph with…
[0:11:21 – 0:11:27] Erik: Within the paragraph, there is like numbers after bullet points.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:31] Adam: Yeah, we have two separate sections with the bullet pointed.
[0:11:32 – 0:11:36] Erik: Also then followed up by in the middle of the pamphlet, more numbering.
[0:11:36 – 0:11:38] Erik: But it’s also in sequence.
[0:11:38 – 0:11:40] Adam: It’s not just built into a… And it’s all in bold.
[0:11:41 – 0:11:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:41 – 0:11:45] Adam: Including the www.lnt.org page.
[0:11:47 – 0:11:49] Adam: Yeah, middle section is Leave No Trace.
[0:11:50 – 0:11:51] Adam: Great clip art of snowshoes.
[0:11:52 – 0:11:53] Adam: Love that.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:59] Adam: And you got the Leave No Trace outdoor ethics logo, which is its own kind of yin and yang.
[0:11:59 – 0:12:00] Erik: I kind of like the Leave No Trace ethics.
[0:12:00 – 0:12:01] Erik: I’m down with that.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:04] Adam: But yeah, my problem is with the inconsistent formatting.
[0:12:04 – 0:12:05] Adam: We’re going to leave it.
[0:12:05 – 0:12:07] Adam: Leave No Trace principles.
[0:12:07 – 0:12:11] Adam: Can anybody out there listening guess the seven Leave No Trace principles?
[0:12:11 – 0:12:14] Adam: It’s a good thing they’ve kept it concise to seven.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:19] Erik: I don’t know if it necessarily… Oh, and now they’re using ampersands.
[0:12:19 – 0:12:20] Adam: Oh, they’ve been using them all along.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:23] Erik: I don’t know if they necessarily need to have any bullet points.
[0:12:24 – 0:12:49] Adam: ampersand just leave no trace that’s enough yeah leave no trace step one leave no trace yeah they also they give you seven bullet points numbered now for some reason and uh bullet point format and so now we’ve got three different formats on two pages and then they also give you the website to look at if you want more information if you’re if you’re literally going on a trip right now into a land of no internet it’s a good thing to have that link
[0:12:51 – 0:12:55] Adam: and they’re using ampersands in addition to seven different fonts at this point.
[0:12:57 – 0:13:06] Adam: Anybody using ampersands, you really need to have your head checked out and possibly just institutionalize yourself if you’re still using ampersands in 2021.
[0:13:06 – 0:13:09] Erik: Unless it keeps you from having…
[0:13:10 – 0:13:16] Erik: The space that occurs between two and three, which they don’t alleviate.
[0:13:16 – 0:13:16] Erik: Yes.
[0:13:17 – 0:13:18] Erik: That’s where you need the ampersand.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:19] Adam: Oh, my God.
[0:13:19 – 0:13:21] Erik: They did plan ahead and prepare.
[0:13:21 – 0:13:22] Erik: You got a hanging tag here.
[0:13:23 – 0:13:26] Erik: To travel and camp on durable surfaces.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:30] Erik: If you replace that and with an ampersand, you would have a smooth one through seven.
[0:13:30 – 0:13:30] Erik: Then fine.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:32] Erik: Versus one, two, three.
[0:13:33 – 0:13:58] Adam: three four five six seven we’re just criticizing style this is a graphic design podcast now absolutely here there we’re gonna just quick run through the leave no trace then we can move on plan ahead and prepare travel and camp on durable surface dispose of waste properly minimize use and impact of fire yeah why didn’t they do that there
[0:13:59 – 0:13:59] Adam: I know.
[0:13:59 – 0:14:00] Adam: Their use is of ampersand.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:03] Adam: The person who designed this brochure, criminally insane.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:04] Erik: Criminally insane.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:05] Erik: Same, same.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:07] Adam: Five, respect wildlife.
[0:14:07 – 0:14:08] Adam: Okay.
[0:14:09 – 0:14:10] Adam: Six, leave what you find.
[0:14:12 – 0:14:13] Erik: That’s a little…
[0:14:13 – 0:14:14] Erik: Unless it’s trash.
[0:14:14 – 0:14:19] Erik: I was going to say, like, maybe leave it cleaner than you found it should be what that says.
[0:14:19 – 0:14:21] Adam: Be considerate of other visitors.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:30] Adam: For more information, visit http://www.hlnt.org backslash hashtag leave no trash.
[0:14:30 – 0:14:31] Adam: Hashtag roast mode.
[0:14:41 – 0:14:42] Adam: We’re tearing this brochure up.
[0:14:42 – 0:14:44] Erik: Just a couple of nerds roasting formatting.
[0:14:44 – 0:14:45] Erik: I don’t care.
[0:14:45 – 0:14:46] Adam: It’s stupid.
[0:14:47 – 0:14:48] Adam: You’re the government.
[0:14:48 – 0:14:53] Adam: You have the nicest building in the entire county, and you employ more people in the county than almost anybody.
[0:14:53 – 0:14:57] Adam: The least you could do is format your brochure at a ninth grade level.
[0:14:57 – 0:14:57] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:01] Erik: MLA.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:03] Erik: Get with it.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:04] Adam: Page three of brochure.
[0:15:05 – 0:15:08] Adam: We’ve now introduced our seventh different font size.
[0:15:08 – 0:15:10] Adam: This one’s all in caps for some reason.
[0:15:10 – 0:15:13] Adam: BWCA rules and regulations.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:15] Adam: Travel permits.
[0:15:15 – 0:15:17] Adam: Permits are required year-round for all visitors…
[0:15:18 – 0:15:27] Adam: For day or overnight travel from October 1st to April 30th, fill out a self-issued permit available at any Forest Service office and entry points.
[0:15:27 – 0:15:35] Adam: Carry one copy with you and drop the other in the permit box at the entry point where you will find this beautiful brochure that an intern wrote.
[0:15:35 – 0:15:39] Adam: who probably wasn’t paid any actual money, had to design.
[0:15:39 – 0:15:41] Adam: I can’t believe they put that all on the brochure.
[0:15:41 – 0:15:43] Adam: I think that was probably an oversight.
[0:15:44 – 0:15:45] Adam: Next up, group size.
[0:15:45 – 0:15:46] Adam: Eric, how many people?
[0:15:46 – 0:15:46] Adam: Nine?
[0:15:47 – 0:15:48] Adam: Fifteen, I think.
[0:15:48 – 0:15:49] Adam: Nine people are the maximum.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:50] Erik: Nine, okay.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:55] Adam: Smaller groups reduce the social and natural resource impacts.
[0:15:57 – 0:15:57] Erik: Wait, wait, wait.
[0:15:58 – 0:15:59] Erik: What was that again?
[0:15:59 – 0:16:03] Adam: Smaller groups reduce social and natural resource impacts.
[0:16:04 – 0:16:08] Erik: What’s a social resource impact?
[0:16:08 – 0:16:10] Erik: Your effect on other groups?
[0:16:10 – 0:16:10] Erik: Yes.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:11] Erik: Okay.
[0:16:12 – 0:16:13] Erik: I mean, it makes sense.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:14] Erik: I’m not arguing it.
[0:16:15 – 0:16:18] Erik: Again, we’re criticizing the format and the language more than anything else.
[0:16:18 – 0:16:22] Adam: Containers, glass, and cans are not allowed.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:27] Adam: Food must be packaged in plastic containers that must be packed out with you.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:32] Erik: Okay, again, you’ve heard us a thousand times.
[0:16:32 – 0:16:36] Erik: If you’re going to pack in, glass should be the only thing prohibited.
[0:16:37 – 0:16:37] Adam: Live vegetation.
[0:16:38 – 0:16:44] Adam: Do not cut live vegetation for tent poles, bedding for humans or dogs, or to create new dog sled trails.
[0:16:45 – 0:16:49] Adam: Don’t make your own trails, you dirty dog sledders.
[0:16:50 – 0:16:50] Adam: That’s legit.
[0:16:50 – 0:16:51] Adam: Don’t cut your own trails.
[0:16:51 – 0:16:53] Adam: All right, nothing against that.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:54] Adam: Pack it in.
[0:16:54 – 0:16:56] Adam: Pack it all out, all in caps.
[0:16:57 – 0:16:59] Adam: Nobody should be ever writing in all caps.
[0:17:01 – 0:17:02] Adam: Stop yelling.
[0:17:03 – 0:17:07] Adam: Waste left by visitors is one of the largest impacts on the wilderness.
[0:17:07 – 0:17:09] Adam: Please do your part to help control the waste.
[0:17:09 – 0:17:14] Adam: Pack out all food and leftover garbage, including feminine products.
[0:17:14 – 0:17:19] Adam: It is illegal to burn trash of any kind, including paper in Minnesota.
[0:17:20 – 0:17:21] Adam: Extra commas.
[0:17:22 – 0:17:23] Adam: There’s just so many commas.
[0:17:24 – 0:17:27] Adam: Burning trash can reduce dangerous chemicals into the air and soil.
[0:17:27 – 0:17:32] Adam: Burning trash often leaves behind a mess of partially burned items.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:33] Adam: Think about that.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:34] Erik: Think about that.
[0:17:35 – 0:17:36] Erik: While you’re thinking about that, think about this.
[0:17:38 – 0:18:00] Adam: reduce the dog impacts now we’re back to regular bullet points but these are different bullet points the original bullet points were little squares with shadows like maybe check off with a pen yeah we’re gonna check those off maybe okay and those are great bullet points and then they had the numbered bullet points for no good reason and then the one paragraph where all the numbers were just in the text
[0:18:01 – 0:18:02] Adam: And now we’re on the back page.
[0:18:02 – 0:18:04] Adam: Now we’re just back to regular bullet points.
[0:18:04 – 0:18:05] Adam: Regular round.
[0:18:05 – 0:18:06] Adam: Can’t check these off.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:06] Adam: No.
[0:18:07 – 0:18:07] Adam: Don’t even think about it.
[0:18:08 – 0:18:09] Adam: Reduce dog impacts.
[0:18:09 – 0:18:12] Adam: Keeps the dog under control at all time.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:18] Adam: Tether teams out on the ice with ice screws to avoid damaging the shoreline vegetation.
[0:18:19 – 0:18:19] Adam: Smart.
[0:18:20 – 0:18:26] Adam: Three, use webbing straps around trees to avoid damaging or girdling trees with rope when staking out the dogs.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:29] Adam: Attach dog picket line to webbing.
[0:18:30 – 0:18:31] Adam: I’ve been around dogs a long time.
[0:18:31 – 0:18:34] Adam: I have no idea what dog picket line webbing is, but…
[0:18:35 – 0:18:40] Erik: I mean, I used to run dogs and essentially it’s just the…
[0:18:40 – 0:18:45] Adam: It’s like a blanket you put around a tree before you… No, it’s just a wider…
[0:18:47 – 0:18:53] Erik: Instead of like using just straight up rope, it would be like using like a bandana folded over.
[0:18:53 – 0:18:54] Erik: Okay.
[0:18:54 – 0:18:56] Erik: And a thicker and wider piece.
[0:18:56 – 0:18:57] Adam: Disperse the pressure on the tree.
[0:18:58 – 0:18:58] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:58 – 0:18:59] Erik: But I mean…
[0:18:59 – 0:19:06] Erik: Really, you’re only ever, I mean, at least in my experience, ever setting up on a lake with dogs for a night.
[0:19:06 – 0:19:10] Erik: And if you get it tied tight enough, and most of the time the dogs are just…
[0:19:10 – 0:19:11] Adam: They’re not moving around.
[0:19:11 – 0:19:15] Erik: They’re not jostling it back and forth, you know, like the old…
[0:19:15 – 0:19:22] Erik: What’s that old classic fat removing machine where the belt just kind of like jiggles?
[0:19:23 – 0:19:24] Erik: Yeah, the jiggler.
[0:19:25 – 0:19:27] Erik: Like that’s not really what’s happening.
[0:19:27 – 0:19:35] Erik: I don’t know if there’s much of a difference between using a rope and something that is more closely connected.
[0:19:37 – 0:19:38] Erik: what they describe as webbing.
[0:19:39 – 0:19:39] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:19:39 – 0:19:41] Erik: But I sort of get it.
[0:19:42 – 0:19:42] Adam: Four.
[0:19:42 – 0:19:48] Adam: When breaking camp, scatter dog feces in the woods at least 150 feet from the water’s edge.
[0:19:48 – 0:19:55] Adam: Keep the entry points clean for others by picking up feces before and after hitting the trail.
[0:19:55 – 0:19:57] Adam: That’s double feces.
[0:19:58 – 0:20:03] Adam: If one bullet point can’t get enough of the word feces.
[0:20:04 – 0:20:05] Adam: At least they got the 150, right?
[0:20:07 – 0:20:11] Adam: Five, hay or straw for bedding may introduce non-native invasive species.
[0:20:11 – 0:20:13] Adam: Please do not bring it with you.
[0:20:14 – 0:20:16] Adam: It doesn’t sound like it’s illegal, though.
[0:20:16 – 0:20:19] Erik: Nobody’s bringing out… You’re going to bring a bunch of… Nobody’s bringing out straw.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:20] Adam: Nobody’s bringing out straw.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:21] Erik: But yeah, I get it.
[0:20:22 – 0:20:23] Erik: Don’t bring out straw.
[0:20:23 – 0:20:23] Erik: You could.
[0:20:23 – 0:20:25] Erik: It’s not a question, but it also…
[0:20:25 – 0:20:26] Adam: It doesn’t say it’s prohibited.
[0:20:26 – 0:20:28] Adam: It just says, please do not.
[0:20:28 – 0:20:29] Adam: Please don’t.
[0:20:29 – 0:20:32] Adam: Something about the government document telling you to please don’t.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:34] Adam: Okay, next section.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:36] Adam: Choose a campsite.
[0:20:38 – 0:20:38] Adam: All right.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:40] Adam: This one has three bullet points.
[0:20:41 – 0:20:45] Adam: Camp on the ice in a sheltered bay or in a natural forest opening such as a swamp.
[0:20:46 – 0:20:46] Adam: Three.
[0:20:47 – 0:20:47] Adam: Two.
[0:20:47 – 0:20:52] Adam: Locate camp at least 150 feet from trails, summer campsites, or other groups.
[0:20:52 – 0:20:53] Adam: Three.
[0:20:53 – 0:20:56] Adam: Make just one trail connecting shoreline to camp.
[0:20:57 – 0:20:59] Adam: Okay, but that makes pretty good sense.
[0:20:59 – 0:21:03] Adam: I think the main thing to take away from here is they don’t want you on regular campsites.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:06] Adam: I’ve been guilty of camping on a regular campsite.
[0:21:07 – 0:21:13] Adam: If you go out on Duncan Lake on any given day in the Boundary Waters this time of year, you’re going to see people camping on regular campsites.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:22] Adam: Again, I guess this is a recommendation and not a hard rule because they aren’t enforcing that, and literally everybody is breaking this rule.
[0:21:22 – 0:21:27] Adam: This is probably the rule in the whole brochure that I see broken the most frequently.
[0:21:27 – 0:21:28] Erik: The campsite rule, for sure.
[0:21:28 – 0:21:30] Adam: People camping on actual campsites.
[0:21:30 – 0:21:37] Adam: If we’re going to take one thing away from this episode, it’s that people need to stop camping on regular campsites, even though it’s handy.
[0:21:37 – 0:21:38] Adam: There’s a latrine.
[0:21:38 – 0:21:39] Erik: It needs…
[0:21:41 – 0:21:42] Erik: There’s a…
[0:21:44 – 0:21:51] Erik: gray area slash subtlety that is, I get it, is difficult to enact.
[0:21:52 – 0:22:02] Erik: But some of those, like first couple of lakes, like Duncan, Clearwater, easy lakes in the winter, those are the ones that, yeah, for sure.
[0:22:03 – 0:22:08] Erik: Essentially, Duncan’s, those campsites are camped at year round.
[0:22:08 – 0:22:09] Erik: Pretty much, yeah.
[0:22:10 – 0:22:10] Erik: I get it.
[0:22:10 – 0:22:14] Erik: If you’re out in the middle of the Boundary Waters and you need to find, all right,
[0:22:15 – 0:22:20] Erik: You’re at a campsite, you’re probably going to be one of maybe two people that camps at it.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:38] Erik: But those entry point peripheral edge Boundary Waters lakes where, yeah, we’ve been out on Duncan where it’s like you just take a 360 turn in the middle of the lake and you can see every campsite has a group in front of it and they’re physically camped in it.
[0:22:41 – 0:23:03] Erik: Yeah, I mean, there needs to be some kind of an enforcement in or some something else, which is probably bordering on your discussion on how some of the entry points and camping permits are reserved where, yeah, there could probably be a little bit of a better system where Duncan is like reservable campsites.
[0:23:04 – 0:23:08] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know if this is really an issue, but, I mean, that’s the way the rule is written right now.
[0:23:08 – 0:23:16] Adam: I don’t know, you know, yeah, even if, like, Duncan’s campsites are occupied a good part of the winter, too, I don’t think that it really, like, makes them unusable or anything.
[0:23:16 – 0:23:22] Adam: I don’t think it makes it… As long as people go back to page four of this brochure and pack it in and pack it all out.
[0:23:22 – 0:23:29] Erik: Well, sure, if everybody is packing it in and packing it out and doing nothing while they’re out there… Guard all your trees.
[0:23:29 – 0:23:30] Erik: But that’s not happening.
[0:23:30 – 0:23:31] Erik: You know it’s not.
[0:23:32 – 0:23:34] Adam: Lastly, making the campfire.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:35] Adam: Two bullet points.
[0:23:35 – 0:23:36] Adam: No, I’m sorry.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:41] Adam: There’s four scattered over two different pages with a random map graphic in here.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:48] Adam: Preferable to make a campfire on the ice to minimize fire scars on the rocks and shorelines.
[0:23:48 – 0:23:52] Adam: Use base logs or portable fire pan for your campfire on the ice.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:58] Adam: Use a fire pan for campfire on land as well to avoid leaving fire scars on vegetation and rocks.
[0:23:59 – 0:24:04] Adam: So, yeah, because they’re telling people do not be using actual campsites.
[0:24:05 – 0:24:09] Adam: So then they don’t want just random fire scars on the ground or rocks.
[0:24:09 – 0:24:10] Adam: That makes sense.
[0:24:10 – 0:24:11] Adam: I’m all on board with that.
[0:24:12 – 0:24:15] Adam: Fire pans are great, especially if you’re having a fire on the ice.
[0:24:16 – 0:24:25] Adam: Two, walk out of sight of the shoreline to collect only dead and down wood far from shoreline’s trails and summer campsites that are no longer standing.
[0:24:25 – 0:24:25] Adam: Okay.
[0:24:26 – 0:24:27] Adam: Four.
[0:24:27 – 0:24:31] Adam: Three, make sure your fire is out and cold to the touch when you leave.
[0:24:31 – 0:24:32] Adam: That’s standard.
[0:24:32 – 0:24:37] Adam: Four, scatter ashes in the woods away from the shoreline and cover the campfire’s scar with snow.
[0:24:38 – 0:24:39] Adam: If you have snow.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:40] Adam: That’s a big if.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:42] Erik: If you have snow.
[0:24:42 – 0:24:43] Adam: Didn’t have any this winter.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:45] Adam: Then there’s a random…
[0:24:48 – 0:24:50] Erik: Be careful this spring.
[0:24:50 – 0:24:52] Erik: It’s dry out there.
[0:24:52 – 0:24:53] Erik: I can’t…
[0:24:53 – 0:24:59] Adam: I don’t know what part of the map this is, but they have a little graphic of a map, and then…
[0:25:01 – 0:25:02] Adam: In very large text.
[0:25:02 – 0:25:19] Adam: For more information, they have their mailing address, their phone number, and then on the web, http://www.fsfedusr9superiorusforestservicepublication10.com.
[0:25:21 – 0:25:22] Adam: Slash seven.
[0:25:23 – 0:25:24] Adam: On the web.
[0:25:24 – 0:25:25] Adam: On the web.
[0:25:26 – 0:25:34] Adam: You know you’re dealing with somebody who is not native to the web if they’re saying things like on the web.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:36] Adam: On the web.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:36] Adam: Whatever.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:37] Adam: We understand.
[0:25:37 – 0:25:38] Adam: All right.
[0:25:38 – 0:25:42] Adam: And if you want to get more information, you can check out their web site.
[0:25:42 – 0:25:43] Adam: Full URL.
[0:25:44 – 0:25:45] Adam: Here’s a full URL.
[0:25:46 – 0:26:05] Adam: anyways i grabbed the brochure uh i found it enjoyable to read through and i think we can all take one good thing away from this exercise is don’t camp on the actual campsites i’ll never do it again okay so we all learned something here here have we learned anything i’m not sure yes well let’s finish with this
[0:26:07 – 0:26:15] MAGA Idiot: believe that interdimensional moon rabbits took control of the economy when Goldman Sachs was remagnetized, then you’re dumber than a space lizard.
[0:26:15 – 0:26:17] SPEAKER_04: You space lizards.
[0:26:17 – 0:26:19] SPEAKER_04: News was entirely untrue.
[0:26:20 – 0:26:20] SPEAKER_04: But what are you going to do?
[0:26:21 – 0:26:23] SPEAKER_04: What are you going to do?
[0:26:24 – 0:26:30] SPEAKER_04: I’ll probably go to bed and then I’ll get up tomorrow and I’ll have breakfast.
[0:26:30 – 0:26:34] SPEAKER_00: Well, I might take a few selfies and then just have a little cry.
[0:26:35 – 0:26:36] SPEAKER_05: Murdering them.
[0:26:39 – 0:26:49] SPEAKER_05: I’ll go out murdering, and then I’ll come home, and I’ll have beans and toast.
[0:26:51 – 0:26:52] Adam: Beans and toast?
[0:26:56 – 0:27:25] Adam: this is what happens when eric starts watching british youtube in the middle of the night that was by david firth the news hasn’t happened yet check out that guy on youtube it’s real freaky all right for tumble home express uh coming to you live from k2 on a beautiful sunny afternoon we’re done making fun of uh brochures and uh honestly if you got two weeks left uh maybe not even 10 days left of the ice fishing season for lake trout at this point i don’t think
[0:27:25 – 0:27:46] Adam: just in general if you only have two weeks left make sure you uh throw this brochure aside and do whatever you want uh no if you’re up here somehow and you’ve got access to the boundary waters right now the travel conditions are immaculate out there uh don’t let anybody you know scare you into thinking the ice is all melted off like the big lakes especially there’s
[0:27:46 – 0:28:14] Adam: plenty of ice two feet plus this is not financial advice but there’s plenty of ice uh this is ice advice and you should get out there plenty of good ice out there really good fishing uh last last couple days of the season here uh so if you take nothing away from this even if you’re not camping go and get a good day trip in uh but you could go a long ways even just on feet you don’t need a fat tire bike this concludes tumblewom express we’ve gone way over the time limit oh
[0:28:15 – 0:28:16] Adam: This unusual express.
[0:28:16 – 0:28:17] Adam: Train’s leaving the station.
[0:28:18 – 0:28:21] Adam: Brother Neil has to get on back to California.
[0:28:21 – 0:28:22] Adam: Goodbye, Brother Neil.
[0:28:22 – 0:28:24] Adam: You never loved Montana anyways.
[0:28:25 – 0:28:26] UNKNOWN: That’s the end of that one.
[0:28:41 – 0:28:43] SPEAKER_06: And I have beans on toast.
