114: BBBad Portages

Episode Transcript

[0:00:15 – 0:00:15] UNKNOWN: Thank you.
[0:00:33 – 0:00:48] Adam: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast, coming to you live from Studio V. This is episode 114 of Tumble Home, and I’m joined by my good friend Eric.
[0:00:49 – 0:00:50] Adam: Hello.
[0:00:50 – 0:00:52] Adam: Here in Studio V. Good to see you, Eric.
[0:00:52 – 0:00:53] Adam: Yes, good to see you.
[0:00:53 – 0:00:54] Adam: Your hair is looking great.
[0:00:55 – 0:00:56] Erik: Well, thank you.
[0:00:56 – 0:00:58] Erik: The main reason I do this show is just for the compliments.
[0:00:59 – 0:01:00] Adam: I guess I can take my hat off.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:01] Adam: Hats off.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:01] Adam: Whoa.
[0:01:04 – 0:01:04] Adam: Getting long.
[0:01:04 – 0:01:05] Erik: Hats off to you, Roy.
[0:01:05 – 0:01:07] Erik: Yeah, 1.14.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:08] Erik: In the end of the summer here.
[0:01:09 – 0:01:13] Erik: Well, by the time this comes out, it’ll be like Halloween.
[0:01:13 – 0:01:16] Erik: I don’t even know where we’re at, what these future recordings we’re into.
[0:01:17 – 0:01:19] Erik: We’re doing just fine, right?
[0:01:20 – 0:01:20] Adam: You know it.
[0:01:22 – 0:01:24] Erik: Yeah, so 1.14, we’re finishing up.
[0:01:25 – 0:01:29] Erik: If you haven’t been following along at home, this is B-B-Bad Portages.
[0:01:30 – 0:01:31] Adam: B-B-B-B-B-Bad.
[0:01:31 – 0:01:33] Adam: That means part three.
[0:01:33 – 0:01:34] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:01:34 – 0:01:36] Erik: It sounds right, but it sounds like a lot.
[0:01:36 – 0:01:37] Erik: B-B-B-Bad.
[0:01:39 – 0:01:40] Adam: Yeah, it’s comical.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:45] Adam: We thought this was maybe going to be one episode at a point in time in the distant past.
[0:01:45 – 0:01:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:01:47 – 0:02:06] Erik: So yeah, sponsored as always on Tumble Home by the fine folks on Patreon who are now getting to fully experience our commentary on a wild card movie that I think we had discussed previously from time to time.
[0:02:07 – 0:02:08] Adam: Oh, it’s for sure been mentioned.
[0:02:08 – 0:02:09] Erik: But we didn’t…
[0:02:10 – 0:02:17] Erik: I think previously we were very confident that we were going to be talking about Stand By Me.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:18] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:26] Erik: And we didn’t watch it because it’s really hard to find and you have to start an account on Vudu, which we’re not doing.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:29] Adam: I’m not starting an account on anything to watch a movie, all right?
[0:02:29 – 0:02:31] Adam: And I couldn’t find a pirate stream because…
[0:02:32 – 0:02:53] Adam: and they didn’t even have i couldn’t even locate a hard copy dvd so no that’s out no so maybe in the future we’ll come back to that one but you know luckily we wheeled around onto an old-timey classic yeah old-time classic 2009 i don’t know i don’t have it in front of me before that anyhow
[0:02:54 – 0:03:08] Erik: But that’s what this sponsorship that we’re starting this show with is also in an homage to that commentary that we’ve got out there on the movie Without a Paddle.
[0:03:09 – 0:03:11] Adam: It’s an American classic.
[0:03:12 – 0:03:18] Erik: A truly, truly shining star of an actor in Dax Shepard.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:21] Adam: You can just tell he was going to be big.
[0:03:21 – 0:03:22] Adam: Was he already big at the time of that movie?
[0:03:22 – 0:03:25] Erik: I was going to say, I think that might be him right in his prime.
[0:03:25 – 0:03:27] Adam: I think it was his coming out party right there.
[0:03:27 – 0:03:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:27 – 0:03:32] Adam: Dax Shepard as the incorrigible Tom.
[0:03:33 – 0:03:40] Erik: Some severely, again, like most movies that we have discussed on Tumble Home Cinema Classics involving canoeing.
[0:03:41 – 0:03:42] Adam: Very little canoeing.
[0:03:42 – 0:03:43] Erik: Yeah, what?
[0:03:43 – 0:03:44] Erik: Very little canoeing.
[0:03:45 – 0:03:45] Adam: There was some fishing.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:47] Adam: There was?
[0:03:47 – 0:03:48] Adam: Very little fishing as well.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:49] Adam: All right, well.
[0:03:49 – 0:03:53] Adam: I’d say between the canoeing and the fishing, that was 1% of the movie.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:54] Erik: Okay.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:55] Adam: I think that’s fair.
[0:03:55 – 0:03:56] Adam: Well.
[0:03:56 – 0:04:02] Adam: Anyways, our drink sponsor tonight is, of course, Genuine Budweiser.
[0:04:03 – 0:04:29] Adam: the big red can have we ever had these with the red tabs on a show sponsor i doubt it we’ll check the we’ll have to check the subreddit uh there is the the rolling list now yes thank goodness yeah well we uh so yeah we’re we’re going with straight up budweiser that’s what the boys brought on their camping trip or more of a it was more of a quest than a trip but uh yeah fine budweiser
[0:04:32 – 0:04:35] Adam: That right there is brewed and canned in the U.S. of A.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:37] Erik: What do we got next to the Budweiser?
[0:04:38 – 0:04:40] Adam: We’re doubling up for this show.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:45] Adam: Episode 114 is also brought to you by bourbon whiskey.
[0:04:46 – 0:04:47] Adam: Jim Beam.
[0:04:47 – 0:04:48] Erik: It’s a Jim Beam.
[0:04:48 – 0:04:49] Erik: Is that what they had out there?
[0:04:51 – 0:04:53] Erik: I think it was tequila.
[0:04:53 – 0:05:00] Adam: Uh, there’s a different reason for the Jim Beam, which I have to become a patron and tune into the episode to find out.
[0:05:00 – 0:05:01] Adam: All right.
[0:05:01 – 0:05:01] Adam: Fair enough.
[0:05:01 – 0:05:02] Erik: Well, cheers to that.
[0:05:04 – 0:05:04] Erik: Doink.
[0:05:08 – 0:05:08] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:11 – 0:05:13] Adam: So I went and bought Budweiser and bourbon today.
[0:05:14 – 0:05:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:05:14 – 0:05:15] Adam: On a weekday.
[0:05:15 – 0:05:16] Adam: On a weekday.
[0:05:16 – 0:05:17] Adam: At about 1130.
[0:05:18 – 0:05:22] Adam: And I didn’t even get so much as a side eye.
[0:05:22 – 0:05:23] Erik: Nah, it’s Cook County.
[0:05:24 – 0:05:24] Erik: We’re fine.
[0:05:24 – 0:05:25] Adam: It’s the middle of summer up here.
[0:05:26 – 0:05:27] Adam: You can do whatever you want.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:28] Erik: We’re doing just fine.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:32] Adam: Before we get any further, we got to definitely go ahead and check the Ron Chera calendar.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:33] Adam: Outdoor fact of the day, Eric.
[0:05:34 – 0:05:36] Adam: The RSCFOTD.
[0:05:37 – 0:05:40] Adam: This day in history is August 27th.
[0:05:42 – 0:05:43] Adam: 8-27-2020.
[0:05:43 – 0:05:45] Adam: This beautiful year.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:47] Adam: The fact of the date it is.
[0:05:47 – 0:05:49] Adam: The Minnesota State Fair begins, Eric.
[0:05:49 – 0:05:51] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:55] Adam: Sunset is at 7.58 p.m. Go and get your pronto pups.
[0:05:56 – 0:05:59] Erik: Ride that big old wheel in the sky.
[0:05:59 – 0:06:01] Erik: Thanks, Ron, for that fact check.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:06] Erik: Boy, I wish I could go to the fair this year, but it’s just too far away.
[0:06:08 – 0:06:09] Adam: Once was enough.
[0:06:09 – 0:06:10] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:10 – 0:06:11] Erik: Woo-wee.
[0:06:11 – 0:06:14] Erik: Yeah, that’s funny how many things that exist out in the world.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:15] Adam: I didn’t even have to change that one.
[0:06:15 – 0:06:17] Adam: That was legit the fact of the day today.
[0:06:17 – 0:06:17] Adam: Legit, yeah.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:21] Adam: There’s one in a couple days, literally a fact of the day just about Pronto Pups.
[0:06:22 – 0:06:22] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:06:22 – 0:06:25] Adam: Maybe we should record again on Saturday.
[0:06:25 – 0:06:25] Erik: Oh.
[0:06:26 – 0:06:34] Adam: It was the actual recipe for Pronto Pups, but we can’t share it because we’re not recording on Saturday the 29th.
[0:06:34 – 0:06:45] Erik: Yeah, part of the reason that we’re doing this is I’m getting into the time of year that is just the old blur session where no staff to help.
[0:06:46 – 0:06:49] Erik: Well, there’s staff, but not enough to be like,
[0:06:49 – 0:06:50] Erik: Hey, I’m going to take a day off.
[0:06:50 – 0:06:52] Erik: I’m going to take an afternoon off.
[0:06:53 – 0:06:57] Erik: That time is basically coming to an end starting the 30th.
[0:06:58 – 0:07:04] Erik: We’re down to just not enough people to get away with doing anything except working all day.
[0:07:05 – 0:07:07] Adam: And that’s why the lodge closes after Labor Day.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:08] Erik: No, it does not.
[0:07:08 – 0:07:09] Adam: Just like the olden times.
[0:07:10 – 0:07:10] Erik: I wish.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:11] Erik: Sometimes.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:12] Adam: Turn off the water.
[0:07:12 – 0:07:14] Adam: Turn off the lights.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:15] Adam: Woo-woo-woo-woo.
[0:07:16 – 0:07:19] Erik: Yeah, so we’re… That was a terrible drop.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:20] Adam: Sorry about that one.
[0:07:20 – 0:07:21] Adam: Yeah, well…
[0:07:21 – 0:07:24] Adam: They can’t all be golden oldies.
[0:07:24 – 0:07:25] Erik: Golden oldies.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:28] Erik: You had some nice ones last week, or maybe you did.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:29] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:31] Erik: We got into that Heineken keg a little…
[0:07:32 – 0:07:33] Adam: The Heineken keg is gone.
[0:07:33 – 0:07:34] Adam: Yes.
[0:07:34 – 0:07:39] Adam: Just to clarify, we’re not going to be drinking any further off of that five liter pony keg Heineken.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:41] Adam: Shout out to Steve.
[0:07:41 – 0:07:42] Adam: It was delicious.
[0:07:42 – 0:07:44] Adam: We finished her off around a bonfire.
[0:07:44 – 0:07:45] Adam: Yeah, they came off the water.
[0:07:46 – 0:07:47] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:07:47 – 0:07:49] Erik: Like the day after we recorded that.
[0:07:49 – 0:07:50] Erik: Okay.
[0:07:50 – 0:07:51] Erik: Hey, thanks, guys.
[0:07:51 – 0:07:52] Erik: Feeling real great today.
[0:07:53 – 0:07:57] Erik: You’ll notice maybe episode 113 takes a hit because of it, but…
[0:07:58 – 0:08:10] Adam: I just listened to 112, and we had started on it, and I was like, we’re drinking the whole dang thing tonight in Studio K, and we tried our best.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:11] Erik: We did.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:13] Adam: Gave it a valiant effort.
[0:08:13 – 0:08:15] Erik: Yeah.
[0:08:15 – 0:08:25] Erik: So, yeah, we’re going to get into the final part of Bad Portages, and that final part is the part we just got to…
[0:08:26 – 0:08:27] Erik: Too I tired?
[0:08:28 – 0:08:29] Erik: Tired?
[0:08:29 – 0:08:30] Erik: That’s what we were.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:31] Erik: We were tired.
[0:08:32 – 0:08:38] Erik: To finish, the Facebook comments on your responses to Worst Portage…
[0:08:40 – 0:08:42] Erik: Bad portage or otherwise.
[0:08:44 – 0:08:55] Erik: But before we get to that, obviously, there is some correspondence in the form of a late Reddit response to the question.
[0:08:55 – 0:08:56] Adam: This just in.
[0:08:56 – 0:09:12] Erik: And then there is also the, we talked about this at the, I think at the end of the last episode or the end of 112 about the article about Jordan Grider, the fellow from New Mexico who got lost on the Sioux Hustler Trail.
[0:09:13 – 0:09:14] Erik: I did read the article.
[0:09:14 – 0:09:15] Adam: I did not.
[0:09:15 – 0:09:15] Erik: Well, that’s great.
[0:09:15 – 0:09:16] Erik: What happened?
[0:09:16 – 0:09:17] Erik: We’ll do a little mini book report.
[0:09:17 – 0:09:18] Erik: Do you want to do that right now?
[0:09:18 – 0:09:19] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:09:19 – 0:09:20] Erik: What happened?
[0:09:20 – 0:09:21] Erik: Well, see, that’s the thing.
[0:09:22 – 0:09:35] Erik: The article really is more of an empire strikes back of story arcs because there are no answers, just more details.
[0:09:36 – 0:09:42] Erik: Some of them are interesting, but some of them can lead you down a path that might still be wrong.
[0:09:42 – 0:09:43] Adam: Could be unnatural.
[0:09:44 – 0:09:44] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:09:45 – 0:09:56] Erik: And so basically, if you’re not familiar with the story, we’ll link to the actual article, which I think gives most of the details up to the point that we are at in the story.
[0:09:57 – 0:10:00] Erik: So Jordan Grider was a bit of a…
[0:10:01 – 0:10:03] Erik: and eccentric, you could say.
[0:10:03 – 0:10:11] Erik: His family kind of had gotten used to him taking off on these long trips into the woods all over the country.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:23] Erik: One of his more famous, not famous, but amongst his friends and family, known quotes to tell people was that, “‘I’m not homeless.
[0:10:23 – 0:10:24] Erik: I have a home.
[0:10:24 – 0:10:26] Erik: I just choose to have it outside.'”
[0:10:27 – 0:10:33] Erik: And so he would go off on these large adventures and kind of live off the land, a survivalist of sorts.
[0:10:34 – 0:10:36] Erik: He was very skilled in many areas.
[0:10:36 – 0:10:40] Erik: He wasn’t nearly as misguided as a Chris McCandless.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:40] Adam: Right.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:42] Adam: He was a serious bushcrafter now.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:42] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:10:42 – 0:10:45] Erik: And depending on where he was, he could grow seeds.
[0:10:46 – 0:10:48] Erik: He would make his own breads and stuff.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:57] Erik: He was competent at the very least, if not well-equipped to get by in most scenarios.
[0:10:57 – 0:11:00] Erik: And he had a history of doing that.
[0:11:02 – 0:11:10] Erik: And the story kind of starts with basically the illegal parking of his vehicle…
[0:11:11 – 0:11:17] Erik: in the general vicinity of the Sioux Hustler hiking trail up on the Echo Trail.
[0:11:17 – 0:11:29] Erik: And the conservation officer, Sean Williams, went out in October of 2018 to do just a general quick search based on the illegal parking of this vehicle.
[0:11:29 – 0:11:33] Erik: I think it was just in front of some private gate or something where it shouldn’t have been.
[0:11:34 – 0:11:35] Erik: It was…
[0:11:36 – 0:11:56] Erik: unsuccessful in the search and then in april 2019 after the van the the truck was still there and still no sign of of jordan there’s a truck i thought it was like a saturn i’m thinking back on the other story yeah you’re thinking the only vehicle in the parking lot was like a little yeah saturn yeah
[0:11:58 – 0:12:03] Erik: So in April of 2019, they went back out and they did find the camp with no body.
[0:12:04 – 0:12:16] Erik: But inside the hammock and sleeping bag, they did identify a lot of blood along with a 9mm Beretta handgun and also lots of wolf tracks and scat.
[0:12:18 – 0:12:27] Erik: But at the time, this was in early April, the site was under considerable snow cover and not until May were they actually able to recover 12 of his bones.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:38] Erik: They never found his skull, even though a 20 to 30 person gridwalk search happened with cadaver dogs multiple times.
[0:12:39 – 0:12:43] Erik: Still, the only part of his remains that they’ve ever found are those 12 bones.
[0:12:45 – 0:12:48] Erik: His mother is convinced that he was devoured by bones.
[0:12:49 – 0:12:56] Erik: The medical examiner has yet to file a cause of death, although foul play and suicide has been ruled out.
[0:12:58 – 0:12:58] Erik: Devoured by wolves?
[0:12:59 – 0:13:01] Erik: That’s what his mother believes happened.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:23] Erik: She thinks it happened on the first night he was there, which they think she ended up coming around to the realization that that’s probably not what happened because Thomas Gable, a U of M wolf researcher, said that an attack by wolves, especially that early on in his trip, would have been infinitesimally rare.
[0:13:23 – 0:13:25] Erik: There’s only been two wolf attacks in 20 years.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:55] Erik: yeah um and there was no there’s no signs of a struggle like his hammock was in perfectly good shape um that the thomas gable says that there’s no no evidence pleading to believe that wolves would have any trouble eating him after he died yeah i thought that was the deal in 2018 they were like oh or whatever 19 when they found the the camp that they were well he just probably died and the wolves or something dragged him out of there later
[0:13:55 – 0:13:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:57 – 0:14:02] Erik: The fact that there was so much blood in the hammock and sleeping bag, though, is kind of like the most suspicious part.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:03] Erik: Right.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:07] Adam: And the article leaves you… Had to have been pretty recent after death.
[0:14:07 – 0:14:07] Erik: Right.
[0:14:07 – 0:14:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:09 – 0:14:18] Erik: The article kind of leaves you with maybe questioning that he maybe cut himself badly because he did have a whole like roll of knives left.
[0:14:18 – 0:14:26] Erik: None of them had any blood on them, and there was nothing that could be confirmed as being used as an attempted bandage, though.
[0:14:27 – 0:14:28] Erik: So that’s it.
[0:14:29 – 0:14:48] Erik: no head either huh no still no head yep could be out there somewhere but i’m not even sure like they made it sound like the medical examiner was going to release a cause of death soon how can you release a cause of death based on the existence of like 12 old bones
[0:14:49 – 0:14:54] Erik: It’s kind of like there wasn’t enough detail there for me to really get an idea on what does that look like.
[0:14:54 – 0:14:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:59] Erik: It seemed like they were confident that they were going to be able to say what the cause of death was.
[0:15:00 – 0:15:00] Adam: And they haven’t.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:02] Erik: They have not yet.
[0:15:02 – 0:15:02] Erik: No.
[0:15:02 – 0:15:04] Erik: So it’s generally a mystery.
[0:15:04 – 0:15:10] Erik: And the overall consensus of the article was that we just may never know.
[0:15:11 – 0:15:12] Adam: Well, all right.
[0:15:12 – 0:15:16] Adam: Yeah, I saw the headline and it was like, oh, man, what?
[0:15:16 – 0:15:20] Adam: And then I, oh, it’s the thing from 2019.
[0:15:20 – 0:15:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:20 – 0:15:23] Adam: I was like, well, are they bringing that up again?
[0:15:23 – 0:15:24] Adam: I figured they had solved it.
[0:15:24 – 0:15:25] Erik: No, no, no.
[0:15:26 – 0:15:32] Erik: That’s, I guess, besides the fact that there is still the mystery, the second biggest question is why write the article?
[0:15:32 – 0:15:33] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:33 – 0:15:33] Adam: Yeah.
[0:15:34 – 0:15:36] Erik: I mean, I guess you’ve got a little bit more context.
[0:15:36 – 0:15:37] Adam: There is a big section in the middle.
[0:15:37 – 0:15:39] Adam: Maybe somebody out there knows something.
[0:15:39 – 0:15:42] Adam: Trying to get it out there to get it back in people’s minds.
[0:15:44 – 0:15:51] Erik: And there is a really big part in the middle where they interview his sister and his mom and they talk about the kind of person he was.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:53] Adam: Yeah, maybe it was more that.
[0:15:53 – 0:15:57] Adam: Just at the time it happened, the family wasn’t willing to speak with reporters.
[0:15:57 – 0:16:01] Adam: And then after some time, maybe they wanted to tell his story a little bit more.
[0:16:02 – 0:16:29] Erik: yeah and that was more like that then that’s fine i should read it i guess yeah it’s it’s it’s good enough but it did also seem like the headline was kind of grabbing for like a right like that line was literally like was man mauled to death in the boundary waters by wolves or something to that effect right exactly yeah so not like hey let’s learn more about this guy that mysteriously died in the boundary waters so it’s i think it’s worth it’s like a 10-15 minute read um
[0:16:32 – 0:16:33] Erik: Definitely worth it.
[0:16:34 – 0:16:34] Erik: Kind of crazy.
[0:16:35 – 0:16:48] Erik: The wolf parts, I think I’d be more interested or most interested in continuing maybe a little bit of a read into just wolves and some of the history and their interactions with humans.
[0:16:48 – 0:16:50] Erik: But we’re not going to go there.
[0:16:51 – 0:16:52] Erik: We’re moving on.
[0:16:52 – 0:16:53] Adam: I have a home.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:54] Adam: I choose to have it outside.
[0:16:54 – 0:16:55] Adam: Yeah, I like that.
[0:16:55 – 0:16:56] Adam: That’s…
[0:16:57 – 0:17:04] Erik: I feel like you could kind of start a little short story novella with that sentiment in mind for sure.
[0:17:06 – 0:17:14] Erik: Do you have any favorite tumble home casts subreddit posts from this past week?
[0:17:14 – 0:17:16] Adam: Yeah, we got two I think we should shout out.
[0:17:16 – 0:17:18] Adam: Okay, shout them out.
[0:17:18 – 0:17:27] Adam: KS Wildcat came in with a vintage Coghlan snake bite kit, number 7925, a rare vintage Coghlan’s product.
[0:17:28 – 0:17:28] Erik: Some good colors.
[0:17:28 – 0:17:31] Adam: Claimed it just appeared in their car.
[0:17:32 – 0:17:54] Adam: mysteriously mysterious circumstances yeah and it was definitely like an older version of the the the artwork on the snake itself was a little bit more abstract yeah and it was uh i really enjoyed it i i think that was a nice find there so i think as you astutely pointed out on the the
[0:17:55 – 0:18:00] Adam: Somebody did on the comments about the value at auction being upwards of 58 cents or something like that.
[0:18:00 – 0:18:01] Adam: It’s a real true beauty.
[0:18:02 – 0:18:06] Erik: Yeah, I mean, if those corners weren’t so worn down, maybe you might be able to crack a dollar.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:11] Adam: Yeah, I would love to see what that could fetch at the right auction.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:16] Adam: You as a cheap dancer, you underscore cheap dancer.
[0:18:16 – 0:18:18] Adam: No, I didn’t say that right.
[0:18:18 – 0:18:22] Adam: Cheap dancer, friend of the show, posted a beautiful picture of a moose portaging a canoe.
[0:18:23 – 0:18:23] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:18:23 – 0:18:26] Adam: And never seen such a thing.
[0:18:26 – 0:18:32] Adam: I haven’t seen a moose in two years, but if I did, I would hope that they would be portaging a nice Kevlar canoe.
[0:18:33 – 0:18:33] Erik: Sure.
[0:18:34 – 0:18:37] Erik: That would be the best way to see one after two years.
[0:18:38 – 0:18:40] Erik: Just one all hung up on the antlers.
[0:18:41 – 0:18:41] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:44] Erik: You got to help that guy.
[0:18:44 – 0:18:46] Adam: That’s the baddest of portages.
[0:18:46 – 0:18:49] Adam: If you get one stuck in your antlers and you can’t ever put the canoe down.
[0:18:50 – 0:18:52] Erik: It’s just a purgatory.
[0:18:52 – 0:19:00] Adam: I remember when we were on the foul portage and then we got down finally into the river and it was like, what if you just kept going and going and the portage never ended?
[0:19:00 – 0:19:03] Erik: Yeah, that was the conversation where we thought we got struck by lightning then later.
[0:19:04 – 0:19:05] Adam: Maybe we did die out there.
[0:19:05 – 0:19:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:19:07 – 0:19:12] Erik: Eric’s elocutions talked about potentially just being dead and this is my life now.
[0:19:12 – 0:19:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:19:13 – 0:19:28] Adam: I had another, just a personal correspondence from a friend of the show, Yendry, said the worst portage ever was west of the Banadad Lake area going towards Two Island.
[0:19:28 – 0:19:29] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:19:29 – 0:19:30] Adam: There’s some real rough country out there.
[0:19:30 – 0:19:31] Adam: Beautiful, but rough.
[0:19:32 – 0:19:38] Erik: Yeah, we talked about that on the end of last season when I was out with the couple from Washington or Oregon.
[0:19:38 – 0:19:42] Erik: The guided trip, I suggested the route.
[0:19:42 – 0:19:42] Erik: Definitely Oregon.
[0:19:42 – 0:19:47] Erik: Up through Ross and Cave and Sebekos.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:47] Erik: Those are the ones.
[0:19:48 – 0:19:50] Erik: Those are some rough portages.
[0:19:50 – 0:20:00] Erik: There’s definitely a section in there that’s very similar to that section between bit slash unnamed and no man, other man.
[0:20:00 – 0:20:01] Erik: Other man.
[0:20:01 – 0:20:06] Erik: Yeah, where it’s like, hey, there’s nowhere to go but through this pig trough of mud.
[0:20:06 – 0:20:08] Erik: Oh, it’s an old troughy.
[0:20:08 – 0:20:10] Adam: It’s a real trough portage.
[0:20:11 – 0:20:15] Erik: Yeah, so that stretch there is quite bad.
[0:20:18 – 0:20:20] Adam: I think it’s really bad.
[0:20:22 – 0:20:23] Erik: Bad.
[0:20:24 – 0:20:33] Erik: Yeah, so I don’t think I have any other correspondence besides the late response on the Reddit.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:40] Erik: So we’ll read that, and then we’ll get into the Facebook once and for all, and then we’ll never speak of it again.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:43] Adam: Digital Facebook coming up next.
[0:20:43 – 0:20:48] Erik: Coming up next, we’re going to first finish with you, the Polish streaker.
[0:20:49 – 0:20:50] Erik: This one is bad.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:59] Erik: I totally forgot about it, but it is one that we will never, again, also never have to speak of again because it no longer exists.
[0:20:59 – 0:21:04] Erik: The portage that is no longer on the map between McFarland and East Pike.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:06] Adam: Oh, I’ve heard about this.
[0:21:06 – 0:21:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:07 – 0:21:12] Erik: Who thought it was a good idea to route it over basically the highest point of that hill?
[0:21:13 – 0:21:17] Erik: Also, the border route trail crossing proved deceiving for a member of our group on it.
[0:21:17 – 0:21:18] Erik: For sure.
[0:21:18 – 0:21:26] Erik: The last trip as he decided to go a couple of hundred rods out of the way east on the BRT before realizing his mistake.
[0:21:26 – 0:21:28] Adam: That one’s the old devil’s tooth, Eric.
[0:21:29 – 0:21:30] Erik: The suck is equal going either way.
[0:21:31 – 0:21:31] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:32 – 0:21:34] Adam: I think I’ve seen the landing on McFarlane for that.
[0:21:34 – 0:21:36] Adam: It’s just like a gravel.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:37] Erik: It’s just like kind of comes out.
[0:21:38 – 0:21:40] Erik: I’m sure it’s still there, but they don’t maintain it.
[0:21:40 – 0:21:41] Adam: Oh, it’s PMA style.
[0:21:41 – 0:21:43] Adam: Positive Mental Attitude style.
[0:21:43 – 0:21:44] Adam: That’s what I’m talking about.
[0:21:44 – 0:21:45] Erik: What was it?
[0:21:45 – 0:21:46] Adam: PMA.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:47] Adam: Positive Management?
[0:21:48 – 0:21:49] Adam: Positive Mental Attitude.
[0:21:49 – 0:21:50] Erik: Oh, that’s right.
[0:21:51 – 0:21:51] Erik: That’s your version.
[0:21:51 – 0:21:53] Adam: More primitive management area.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:56] Adam: Either way, you’re going over the devil’s tooth into McFarland.
[0:21:56 – 0:21:57] Adam: Devil’s tooth.
[0:21:58 – 0:22:11] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know if it’s harder going up or down, out of or into East Pike, but they didn’t take any consideration on the steepness and the kind of footing.
[0:22:11 – 0:22:15] Erik: It’s just like a 40-degree gravel slide.
[0:22:16 – 0:22:18] Erik: It’s not even the top or the south.
[0:22:18 – 0:22:20] Adam: You got to bring your own ropes.
[0:22:21 – 0:22:21] Erik: Really?
[0:22:21 – 0:22:22] Erik: On that one.
[0:22:22 – 0:22:23] Erik: Yeah, you really should.
[0:22:24 – 0:22:27] Erik: So, yeah, that one is not on the maps anymore.
[0:22:27 – 0:22:29] Erik: It’s probably still kind of there.
[0:22:29 – 0:22:31] Erik: You could take it if you want.
[0:22:31 – 0:22:34] Adam: Anything going north-south in the Vento is real trouble.
[0:22:34 – 0:22:35] Adam: Going against the grain.
[0:22:36 – 0:22:38] Adam: Trouble.
[0:22:38 – 0:22:38] Erik: Yep.
[0:22:39 – 0:22:40] Erik: Well, thanks for that, Polish Streaker.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:42] Adam: Fine username.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:45] Adam: Thank you for joining the show and conversation.
[0:22:45 – 0:22:46] Erik: Yep.
[0:22:47 – 0:22:53] Erik: Well, we’re going to move on now in just a second to our 21 comments on Facebook.
[0:22:53 – 0:22:57] Erik: Going to take a quick break to make sure that my dog is still in the yard.
[0:22:57 – 0:23:00] Adam: Got to check the levels and get more bourbon probably.
[0:23:00 – 0:23:01] Erik: More bourbon.
[0:23:03 – 0:23:05] Erik: We, yeah, back after this.
[0:23:09 – 0:23:17] Adam: Welcome back and we’re diving into the digital Facebook on Tumble Home, a Barnaby Waters podcast.
[0:23:19 – 0:23:25] Adam: Talking at Portage’s, Zachary is first up on the show with a thumbs up on here.
[0:23:26 – 0:23:29] Adam: The portage from Bald Eagle to Gull Lake was the worst one we’ve done.
[0:23:30 – 0:23:33] Adam: It had steep slopes and many trees down when we did it.
[0:23:33 – 0:23:42] Adam: The worst part is after about the 120-rod portage, we had to load the canoe back up for about a 100-yard paddle only to do another 40 rods.
[0:23:43 – 0:23:44] Adam: That was the worst.
[0:23:45 – 0:23:45] Adam: Hold on, I can do better.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:49] Adam: That was the worst.
[0:23:49 – 0:23:50] Adam: That’s pretty good.
[0:23:50 – 0:23:51] Adam: I’m going to have a little bourbon for that.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:53] Adam: Oh, you deserve it.
[0:23:53 – 0:23:54] Adam: Loosen up the vocal cords.
[0:23:54 – 0:23:55] Adam: Thank you, Zachary, for the comment.
[0:23:58 – 0:23:59] Erik: I’m just going to let the mic roll.
[0:23:59 – 0:24:06] Adam: Yeah, when you got a little short, when you like basically, remember when you had to put the canoe in to like go across that river, just like across a river?
[0:24:07 – 0:24:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:09] Adam: Or that’s like a real howl swamp maneuver.
[0:24:10 – 0:24:11] Adam: Nobody’s mentioned the howl swamp, Eric.
[0:24:12 – 0:24:14] Erik: Yeah, that’s not necessarily.
[0:24:15 – 0:24:16] Adam: You got leached.
[0:24:16 – 0:24:18] Erik: You got swamp leached in there.
[0:24:18 – 0:24:20] Erik: It’s not as bad as it looks on the map.
[0:24:21 – 0:24:23] Erik: It looks real questionable.
[0:24:23 – 0:24:26] Erik: It’s like one of the only portages that just has like a T in it.
[0:24:26 – 0:24:34] Adam: Yeah, but that’s just one of them where you got to put the canoe in for like two paddles of paddling and then get back to portaging again.
[0:24:34 – 0:24:35] Adam: Yeah, that is always.
[0:24:35 – 0:24:36] Adam: Just keep on trucking.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:37 – 0:24:39] Erik: I mean, yeah.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:40] Adam: I think that’s what Zachary’s getting at.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:41] Erik: I get it.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:42] Erik: I get it.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:44] Erik: John.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:46] Erik: Yeah, this is a bad one here, John.
[0:24:47 – 0:24:48] Erik: We’ve talked about this one before.
[0:24:48 – 0:24:55] Erik: Toughest portage I remember doing is the Zenith to Luginita 480, but it wasn’t just the length.
[0:24:56 – 0:25:05] Erik: It was one of the first trips me and my buddy had done in the B-dub, and we brought my parents’ heavy aluminum canoe with a slow leak and no carrying yoke.
[0:25:06 – 0:25:11] Adam: Oh my god, I’m already up to like five things that have gone wrong with this portage on my tally marker here.
[0:25:12 – 0:25:22] Erik: I remember my mind being blown by seeing someone from another group on the portage easily carrying his canoe all by himself and thinking, hey, we’re doing this all wrong.
[0:25:23 – 0:25:29] Erik: Every trip thereafter, and there have been many now, we wised up and rented a Kevlar.
[0:25:30 – 0:25:30] Erik: Wow.
[0:25:30 – 0:25:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:31 – 0:25:35] Erik: I also remember packing too many clothes, including heavy jeans and cotton sweatshirts.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:39] Erik: And after that portage, we burned some of our clothes in the fire.
[0:25:41 – 0:25:42] Erik: Wow.
[0:25:42 – 0:25:42] Adam: Good.
[0:25:43 – 0:25:44] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:45 – 0:25:47] Adam: If you burn your jeans, it gives them a real cool effect.
[0:25:48 – 0:25:49] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:52] Erik: Especially if you’re just trying to dry them, not fully burn them.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:53] Adam: Firewashed jeans.
[0:25:54 – 0:25:56] Erik: Zuba style fire grate.
[0:25:57 – 0:26:04] Erik: Burned some of our clothes in the fire that night because they caused our shoulders to ache and that was the only way to dispose of them up there.
[0:26:04 – 0:26:04] Adam: That’s the first…
[0:26:05 – 0:26:08] Adam: I don’t know if even that’s legal, but we’re going to let it slide.
[0:26:08 – 0:26:10] Adam: Was that your first ever portage then?
[0:26:10 – 0:26:13] Adam: Well, it probably would have been like the third ever portage or whatever it is then.
[0:26:13 – 0:26:14] Adam: Right.
[0:26:14 – 0:26:15] Adam: Depends on the route.
[0:26:15 – 0:26:17] Adam: But that’s hilarious.
[0:26:17 – 0:26:21] Adam: You got the Zenith portage on your first trip in jeans.
[0:26:22 – 0:26:23] Erik: And then you just burned them.
[0:26:24 – 0:26:25] Adam: Get out of here, Frolfchat.
[0:26:26 – 0:26:26] Adam: God.
[0:26:27 – 0:26:28] Adam: Unbelievable.
[0:26:29 – 0:26:30] Adam: They just keep going.
[0:26:31 – 0:26:32] Adam: Michael is up next on the show.
[0:26:33 – 0:26:38] Adam: As far as bad portages go, I would say the 160 from Lake Agnes to the Oyster River.
[0:26:39 – 0:26:50] Adam: I choose this one not only for the steep, rocky, and muddy sections or the horrible 40-foot muddy landing, but for the fact that there is sometimes a way around via the mucky Oyster River and Enamuse River.
[0:26:51 – 0:26:56] Adam: It’s a gamble to bypass the portage, so if you’re feeling lucky, risk the mucky.
[0:26:58 – 0:27:01] Adam: I almost messed it up, but I think I stuck the landing, Michael.
[0:27:01 – 0:27:02] Adam: Thank you.
[0:27:02 – 0:27:03] Adam: It was a wonderfully written comment.
[0:27:05 – 0:27:07] Adam: And the Throff chat is out of control here, Eric.
[0:27:07 – 0:27:09] Adam: We’ve got to minimize that down.
[0:27:09 – 0:27:14] Erik: I don’t know how this new Facebook, all the messages pop right up in front of the comments we’re trying to read.
[0:27:14 – 0:27:17] Adam: Yeah, there’s got to be a way to turn off the ringer.
[0:27:17 – 0:27:19] Erik: There’s got to be a better way.
[0:27:20 – 0:27:28] Erik: Yeah, that portage from Oyster River to Lake Agnes wasn’t really…
[0:27:29 – 0:27:36] Adam: It wasn’t terrible for us, but the landing was still fine because I think water levels were… We were early in June, so the water levels were adequate.
[0:27:36 – 0:27:37] Erik: But it wasn’t great, though.
[0:27:37 – 0:27:42] Erik: It was like one canoe at a time could sluice up the little muck chute.
[0:27:42 – 0:27:43] Erik: Yeah, I do remember that.
[0:27:44 – 0:27:45] Adam: Don’t miss the chute.
[0:27:45 – 0:27:49] Adam: Yeah, if you miss the chute, you’re going to get… You’re not going to have a fun time.
[0:27:49 – 0:27:51] Erik: You’re going to get in the muck and then…
[0:27:51 – 0:27:57] Adam: But other than that, because then, especially if you’re going to Agnes, then you come out on a beach.
[0:27:58 – 0:27:59] Adam: So, I mean, at least you have that.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:00] Erik: That’s true.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:04] Adam: If you’re going the other way, hoo-wee, then you’re really going the wrong way.
[0:28:04 – 0:28:09] Erik: That may be one of the most, the disparity between portage landings on that one.
[0:28:09 – 0:28:13] Adam: Yeah, the worst possible landing on one side and then a beautiful sand beach on the other.
[0:28:13 – 0:28:13] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:14 – 0:28:16] Adam: It’s a real Jekyll and Hyde.
[0:28:16 – 0:28:17] Erik: Jekyll and Hyde.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:23] Erik: That’s an old classic tale by my good friend, Dr. Shakespeare.
[0:28:25 – 0:28:26] Erik: Matthew coming in.
[0:28:26 – 0:28:27] Adam: I think that was from Julius Caesar.
[0:28:28 – 0:28:29] Erik: Oh, yeah, that’s him.
[0:28:29 – 0:28:32] Erik: Carp to emerald in Quetico, yeah?
[0:28:32 – 0:28:32] Erik: What?
[0:28:32 – 0:28:37] Erik: That’s short but steep, but it’s along that cool flowing water, Matthew.
[0:28:38 – 0:28:44] Erik: Anyway, short but steep and a combination of sharp-edged rocks to balance on and mud pits.
[0:28:44 – 0:28:49] Erik: I’ve done it at least three times, and it’s always been a muddy mess with water flowing down it.
[0:28:49 – 0:28:53] Erik: Not sure I’ve done it without stumbling at least twice and swearing.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:54] Erik: Shall we say?
[0:28:54 – 0:28:56] Erik: Hashtag mud pits.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:57] Erik: More times than that.
[0:28:57 – 0:28:58] Erik: Hashtag mud pits.
[0:28:59 – 0:29:05] Erik: Carp to emerald is kind of like the opposite version of the bit to other man.
[0:29:06 – 0:29:07] Erik: It is, yeah.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:14] Erik: It’s the bottom filter in that strain of lakes.
[0:29:14 – 0:29:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:29:15 – 0:29:17] Erik: But you have to get up into Emerald.
[0:29:17 – 0:29:20] Erik: You have to get up into that chain of waters.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:25] Erik: And yeah, it is basically straight uphill.
[0:29:25 – 0:29:29] Erik: It is short, but you know what you’re getting yourself into.
[0:29:31 – 0:29:32] Erik: And it is the Fern Gulley.
[0:29:34 – 0:29:35] Adam: Ethan’s up next.
[0:29:35 – 0:29:37] Adam: Friend of the show, Ethan is next.
[0:29:38 – 0:29:42] Adam: Cherry to lunar isn’t super long, but a beast especially going that way.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:45] Adam: Giant pine to greet you at the cherry landing.
[0:29:45 – 0:29:49] Adam: Then you go up, then wade through a beaver pond full of tiny trees.
[0:29:50 – 0:30:16] Adam: then straight up strewn rocks with water flowing under you that you can hear but not see one that many have done but still isn’t fun is the set of three between mudro and four town the long one in the middle is scenic but sketchy and wet and the short partridges on either end are full of ankle breakers snappers they’ll get you ankle snappers they’ll get you
[0:30:18 – 0:30:20] Adam: Yeah, I’ve done that cherry one.
[0:30:21 – 0:30:27] Adam: I’ve not had the pleasure of doing the four-town little segment there.
[0:30:27 – 0:30:28] Erik: Not through Mudro.
[0:30:29 – 0:30:38] Erik: I’ve been over through Horse and down into Via Gun, but never in from the south.
[0:30:40 – 0:30:41] Erik: Here we go.
[0:30:41 – 0:30:43] Erik: This is a portage I’ve never done.
[0:30:43 – 0:30:47] Erik: I’ve always seen it on a map, and I’ve always loved the idea of getting out here.
[0:30:47 – 0:30:57] Erik: But Robert says that the worst portage I’ve done is the 305 rod between Kiskadena and Davis.
[0:30:58 – 0:30:59] Adam: Oh, Davis.
[0:30:59 – 0:31:01] Adam: Connoisseur’s Lake.
[0:31:02 – 0:31:03] Adam: We haven’t even been to Davis.
[0:31:03 – 0:31:04] Adam: Nope, never.
[0:31:04 – 0:31:05] Adam: Neither of us have been to Davis.
[0:31:05 – 0:31:06] Adam: That’s how tough that one is.
[0:31:06 – 0:31:08] Erik: That’s where I’m taking my magic this fall.
[0:31:08 – 0:31:10] Adam: Yeah, do your solo trip into Davis.
[0:31:10 – 0:31:10] Erik: Yep.
[0:31:11 – 0:31:17] Erik: I generally love all that Laurentian divide terrain, but I remember that one being so rough that I’ve gone out of my way to avoid it ever since.
[0:31:17 – 0:31:21] Erik: It’s hilly, muddy, and has a bunch of huge rocks to traverse.
[0:31:22 – 0:31:27] Erik: The brutal portages on either side going from Long Island to Brule don’t help either.
[0:31:28 – 0:31:34] Erik: Yeah, I know that muskeg portage out of Long Island is like, here’s a wall for you.
[0:31:35 – 0:31:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:40] Adam: Yeah, that’s tough stuff in there.
[0:31:41 – 0:31:43] Adam: But I do want to go to Davis someday.
[0:31:43 – 0:31:44] Erik: We’re going to make Davis happen.
[0:31:44 – 0:31:46] Erik: I’ll go investigate this fall.
[0:31:47 – 0:31:50] Adam: You go solo in October, and then I’ll go solo in January.
[0:31:51 – 0:31:54] Adam: You’re going to ski into Davis.
[0:31:54 – 0:31:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:56 – 0:31:58] Adam: Josh is next on the show.
[0:31:58 – 0:31:59] Adam: Three thumbs up.
[0:32:00 – 0:32:02] Adam: I’m expecting great things from this one.
[0:32:02 – 0:32:04] Adam: Long portages don’t bother me.
[0:32:05 – 0:32:13] Adam: It’s the short, steep, rocky, muddy, rooty ones there where you have to carefully place each foot so that your ankle doesn’t snap.
[0:32:14 – 0:32:21] Adam: So the stretch from town to Vesper to Cam to Brule is a whole mess of hills and rock hopping.
[0:32:22 – 0:32:23] Adam: That’s a stretch.
[0:32:23 – 0:32:23] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:25] Adam: The Vesperian Hills.
[0:32:25 – 0:32:27] Adam: Hashtag Vesperian Hills.
[0:32:28 – 0:32:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:32:28 – 0:32:29] Adam: I believe we have a…
[0:32:29 – 0:32:31] Adam: I’m going to give an extra like on this one.
[0:32:32 – 0:32:32] Erik: Thumbs up.
[0:32:33 – 0:32:39] Erik: I believe we have an ad on the Circus Comes to Brule episode about breaking ankles on those.
[0:32:39 – 0:32:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:40 – 0:32:45] Erik: Portages through there because they are like angular, slippery into gem mine holes.
[0:32:45 – 0:32:46] Adam: There are… Yeah.
[0:32:46 – 0:32:47] Adam: Speaking of pits.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:47] Adam: Gem mines.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:48] Adam: That one’s got some gem mines.
[0:32:49 – 0:32:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:32:50 – 0:32:52] Adam: And don’t take a puppy on that portage.
[0:32:52 – 0:32:59] Erik: Not one that’s pulling like a sled dog.
[0:32:59 – 0:33:01] Adam: I’m having bad memories right now, Eric.
[0:33:01 – 0:33:05] Adam: A little sip of the cool Budweiser to calm the nerves.
[0:33:05 – 0:33:06] Erik: Cool Budweiser.
[0:33:07 – 0:33:08] Erik: This one’s from Nick.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:09] Erik: Other Quetico classics.
[0:33:10 – 0:33:12] Erik: North Portage to Bailey Bay to Sunday.
[0:33:12 – 0:33:17] Erik: I think this one has had trail work, so it might be better now.
[0:33:18 – 0:33:22] Erik: B, star, star, star, star, and B, star, star, star, star, star.
[0:33:24 – 0:33:25] Erik: I don’t know if that’s swearing.
[0:33:25 – 0:33:28] Adam: I think that’s bad with lots of Bs.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:30] Erik: Sunday to Meadows to Agnes.
[0:33:32 – 0:33:33] Erik: Yum, yum.
[0:33:34 – 0:33:35] Erik: Takashipiwi.
[0:33:36 – 0:33:36] Erik: Sure.
[0:33:37 – 0:33:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:37 – 0:33:38] Erik: Oh, here’s one.
[0:33:39 – 0:33:41] Erik: The Agnes to Louisa Portage.
[0:33:41 – 0:33:42] Erik: Insanely steep.
[0:33:42 – 0:33:44] Erik: You almost want to rope up.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:45] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:48] Adam: Those, I remember- No one should have a winch.
[0:33:48 – 0:33:53] Erik: We were chilling in the hot tub there that one day, and we saw people going uphill with an aluminum.
[0:33:53 – 0:33:59] Adam: Yeah, we were going down with a stop in the hot tub, and then people were going up it, and they did not have a winch.
[0:33:59 – 0:33:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:00 – 0:34:01] Adam: But you couldn’t put a winch in on that one.
[0:34:02 – 0:34:06] Erik: Nick, I want to know more about the Bonham and Sauvage portages.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:09] Erik: I think these get their namesakes from an Ely to Attico can race.
[0:34:10 – 0:34:10] Erik: Long.
[0:34:12 – 0:34:12] Adam: Yes.
[0:34:12 – 0:34:13] Adam: That’s it?
[0:34:13 – 0:34:14] Adam: That’s the one way to describe those.
[0:34:14 – 0:34:15] Adam: I want to know more.
[0:34:15 – 0:34:16] Adam: Very long.
[0:34:19 – 0:34:28] Adam: Like long and you could just, you know, write yourself an entire album of songs or book of poetry on a portage of that length.
[0:34:28 – 0:34:36] Erik: Oh, and then also Nick says Kanmi Tapuba in the Quetico is three difficult and long portages in a row.
[0:34:36 – 0:34:38] Erik: I think those are the Memory Lanes portages.
[0:34:38 – 0:34:39] Adam: Ooh, yeah.
[0:34:39 – 0:34:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:43] Adam: Yeah, but if they have a fun name, then you can’t be mad at them.
[0:34:43 – 0:34:47] Erik: No, yeah, it totally takes all the… Memory Lane.
[0:34:47 – 0:34:48] Adam: Remember those portages.
[0:34:48 – 0:34:56] Adam: We’re taking a hike with a boat through the woods on Memory Lane.
[0:34:58 – 0:35:01] Adam: Friend of the show Liz is up next on digital Facebook.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:03] Adam: The one that snapped my ACL.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:06] Adam: Having a hard time remembering which lake.
[0:35:06 – 0:35:08] Adam: It was near Koishui.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:10] Adam: Must have blocked it from my memory.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:11] Erik: Aha.
[0:35:12 – 0:35:13] Erik: Memory lane.
[0:35:13 – 0:35:15] Erik: Perfect timing.
[0:35:16 – 0:35:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:17 – 0:35:22] Adam: As a fellow ACL snapper, I can relate.
[0:35:22 – 0:35:23] Adam: That’s a terrible feeling.
[0:35:26 – 0:35:27] Adam: Thank you for your contribution to the show.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:29] Erik: What were you doing when you snapped yours?
[0:35:29 – 0:35:30] Adam: I was playing hoops.
[0:35:30 – 0:35:32] Adam: I was definitely not portaging.
[0:35:32 – 0:35:36] Adam: Yeah, you were… That’s a terrible… At least you were on a portage.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:37] Adam: I was just playing hoops.
[0:35:37 – 0:35:39] Erik: You were posterizing some 8th grader?
[0:35:39 – 0:35:45] Adam: Yeah, well, I put a dream step on somebody so hard that they fell, but I broke my ACL.
[0:35:45 – 0:35:47] Adam: I did make the dream step, though.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:49] Erik: You broke your ACL for them?
[0:35:50 – 0:35:51] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:51 – 0:35:53] Adam: We both broke our ACLs.
[0:35:54 – 0:35:55] Adam: I faked that defender out so hard.
[0:35:56 – 0:35:57] Erik: You both just turned into puddles.
[0:35:58 – 0:35:59] Adam: But yeah, two points.
[0:36:00 – 0:36:00] Adam: Count it.
[0:36:00 – 0:36:00] Adam: Kobe.
[0:36:01 – 0:36:01] Erik: Kobe.
[0:36:02 – 0:36:03] Erik: Here comes… Oh, what do you know?
[0:36:04 – 0:36:04] Erik: Andy.
[0:36:05 – 0:36:10] Erik: Really, any of the portages in the heart of the park out of Little Saginaw…
[0:36:10 – 0:36:11] Erik: I… Saginaw…
[0:36:12 – 0:36:14] Erik: There’s a random I in there.
[0:36:14 – 0:36:14] Erik: Sorry.
[0:36:14 – 0:36:20] Erik: Really, any of the portages in the heart of the park out of Little Saginaw to Makwa and Pan Lakes…
[0:36:20 – 0:36:45] Erik: hey pan remember pan yeah it was like a persistent drizzle if i remember correct yeah where you have barely enough room to get the canoe through the overgrown brush yeah it was pretty thick barely used intentionally because of makwa because of the makwa makwa barely barely and makwa i don’t know i thought it was makwa uh friend of the show
[0:36:47 – 0:37:08] Adam: recently dropped off a new batch of sponsorships he’s a super friend of the show super friend paul is next on the show thank you paul and henry got one no thumbs up but we have a shocked face for paul’s comment yeah well i don’t know i’m gonna give an immediate like and thumbs up
[0:37:08 – 0:37:09] Erik: Wait, wait, wait.
[0:37:09 – 0:37:09] Erik: You haven’t read it.
[0:37:09 – 0:37:13] Erik: Maybe the shocked face is more appropriate than a thumbs up.
[0:37:13 – 0:37:14] Adam: Maybe.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:15] Adam: We can always change it.
[0:37:15 – 0:37:16] Adam: Paul.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:18] Adam: Yeah, I think you’re right, Eric.
[0:37:18 – 0:37:22] Adam: I broke my leg last summer between Clearwater and West Pike.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:25] Adam: I slipped on a steep spot while carrying a heavy pack.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:32] Adam: I kept my balance enough to stay upright and skate downhill, but when my foot planted on a rock, my leg snapped.
[0:37:32 – 0:37:36] Adam: The Portage isn’t hard, but it’s still my least favorite.
[0:37:36 – 0:37:42] Adam: Also, regarding a different Portage nearby, carrying a Min 3 up from West Pike to Gojibic is no joke.
[0:37:43 – 0:37:47] Adam: Jesus, you took a Min 3 straight from West Pike up to Gojibic?
[0:37:47 – 0:37:47] Adam: Yikes.
[0:37:48 – 0:38:12] Adam: i’ve done a three on the border route trail like route from clearwater straight down but that first part out of west pike if you’re going up to gojibik that’s seriously the steepest portage i think that is known to mankind sorry for the thumbs up paul i uh you know i’ve i’ve also broken my leg so the last two comments are really bringing a lot of haunting memories what were you doing when you broke your leg
[0:38:16 – 0:38:19] Erik: Just put a move on him so hard that you guys both broke your legs.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:24] Adam: All right, I’m going with the tear emoji.
[0:38:25 – 0:38:26] Erik: You’re changing it.
[0:38:26 – 0:38:27] Adam: Yeah, I changed it.
[0:38:27 – 0:38:28] Adam: Thumbs up to tear.
[0:38:28 – 0:38:30] Adam: Anyways, yeah, sorry to hear about your leg.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:33] Adam: It takes a while to get him back.
[0:38:33 – 0:38:36] Erik: Hey, he was out there portaging at the end of last year in a boot.
[0:38:36 – 0:38:44] Adam: The good thing is the human body has an amazing ability to rehabilitate itself, and you’re going to be back out there portaging.
[0:38:45 – 0:38:46] Adam: You just know it.
[0:38:46 – 0:38:47] Adam: It’s just a matter of time.
[0:38:48 – 0:38:50] Erik: He’s out there right now with Henry on Seagull.
[0:38:50 – 0:38:51] Adam: There you go.
[0:38:52 – 0:38:56] Erik: I’m going to read two in a row because they’re short.
[0:38:56 – 0:39:02] Erik: One from Tyson, 285 rod between Beartrap River PMA and Beartrap Lake.
[0:39:03 – 0:39:03] Adam: PMA?
[0:39:04 – 0:39:04] Erik: PMA.
[0:39:05 – 0:39:05] Erik: Yeah, that’s tough.
[0:39:05 – 0:39:07] Erik: That’s tough stuff.
[0:39:08 – 0:39:13] Erik: And then Russ, not long, but the climb from south to Tapper is a beast.
[0:39:14 – 0:39:15] Adam: Don’t even get me started.
[0:39:16 – 0:39:16] Adam: Yep.
[0:39:16 – 0:39:17] Adam: The Weezer.
[0:39:17 – 0:39:18] Adam: That one’s a Weezer.
[0:39:20 – 0:39:25] Erik: It’s good to know that you still got it, though, when you get to the top.
[0:39:26 – 0:39:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:26 – 0:39:30] Adam: You get a little, like, fist pump when you hit the top on one of those.
[0:39:31 – 0:39:31] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:39:32 – 0:39:33] Adam: Crystal’s next up on the show.
[0:39:33 – 0:39:37] Adam: A lot of people talk about the 360 between Tuscarora and Missing Link.
[0:39:38 – 0:39:42] Adam: I did this portage on the Frost River Loop on my first ever trip to the BWCA.
[0:39:43 – 0:39:47] Adam: I think the worst part is, just when you think you’re done, you have another 137 rodder in the round.
[0:39:47 – 0:39:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:39:50 – 0:39:57] Adam: But one of the most brutal portages I remember is the 37 Rotter between Omega and Kiskadena.
[0:39:57 – 0:40:08] Adam: On the map, this portage looks to be a cakewalk, but this little portage is quite the doozy on the hilliness index and the slippery, shin-bruising boulder scale.
[0:40:09 – 0:40:14] Adam: I believe I remember an outfitter mentioning that it is near the Continental Divide.
[0:40:15 – 0:40:16] Adam: It is.
[0:40:16 – 0:40:19] Erik: Yeah, the Laurentian Divide runs through there, no doubt.
[0:40:20 – 0:40:22] Adam: Yeah, that’s another Weezer.
[0:40:22 – 0:40:25] Erik: Are we going to end with Weezer tonight?
[0:40:25 – 0:40:27] Adam: Yeah, well, we probably should at this point.
[0:40:28 – 0:40:30] Adam: I thought you were going to put Lady in Red on the last episode.
[0:40:30 – 0:40:35] Erik: I couldn’t find any decent Lady in Red that wasn’t going to just… We’ll do an acoustic jam.
[0:40:36 – 0:40:36] Erik: Yeah?
[0:40:37 – 0:40:44] Adam: You send me a link to that and I can retroactively add it still.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:48] Adam: That was a remix, Eric.
[0:40:49 – 0:40:52] Erik: Yeah, I think that was a combination of two songs.
[0:40:54 – 0:40:55] Erik: Am I right?
[0:40:56 – 0:40:56] Adam: You got it.
[0:40:56 – 0:40:57] Erik: You got it.
[0:40:57 – 0:41:00] Erik: Tuscarora Lodge and Canoe Outfitters.
[0:41:00 – 0:41:04] Erik: Definitely have to give a shout out to the Paulson Lake Portage.
[0:41:05 – 0:41:05] Adam: Oh, yes.
[0:41:06 – 0:41:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:07 – 0:41:08] Adam: The J.P. Paulson.
[0:41:10 – 0:41:10] Erik: 515.
[0:41:10 – 0:41:11] Erik: Yeah, right.
[0:41:12 – 0:41:14] Erik: Uphill with tons of beaver activity.
[0:41:14 – 0:41:17] Erik: Thankfully, it’s much easier going back to Seagull.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:22] Erik: Also, the Kashupiwi to McNeese Portage.
[0:41:22 – 0:41:25] Erik: Hey, that one is always on fire.
[0:41:25 – 0:41:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:26 – 0:41:27] Erik: Because it’s always on fire.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:29] Adam: Yeah, it’s perpetually burning.
[0:41:29 – 0:41:30] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:30 – 0:41:31] Adam: Some sort of hellscape.
[0:41:31 – 0:41:33] Erik: Marked as 154 on Fishers.
[0:41:33 – 0:41:34] Erik: It’s 250 or more.
[0:41:36 – 0:41:38] Adam: Oh, so that was going on then.
[0:41:39 – 0:41:39] Adam: That makes sense.
[0:41:40 – 0:41:40] Erik: It could be.
[0:41:40 – 0:41:41] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:41:42 – 0:41:48] Erik: Ooh, you’ll like this one because it’s the last one, but you’re familiar with it.
[0:41:50 – 0:41:50] Adam: Final comment.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:53] Adam: On tonight’s show.
[0:41:53 – 0:41:53] Adam: Are we sure?
[0:41:53 – 0:41:54] Adam: It’s the last one.
[0:41:54 – 0:41:55] Adam: Eric.
[0:41:56 – 0:41:57] Adam: Coming in to the show.
[0:41:57 – 0:41:59] Adam: Eric with a C. Let’s be clear.
[0:42:01 – 0:42:02] Adam: He’s still cool.
[0:42:05 – 0:42:06] Adam: Eric is shaking his head.
[0:42:08 – 0:42:10] Adam: I’m just kidding around.
[0:42:10 – 0:42:13] Erik: He’s shaking his head up and down while Eric’s are cool.
[0:42:14 – 0:42:15] Adam: Eric is on the show.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:16] Adam: Thank you for being here.
[0:42:17 – 0:42:21] Adam: Afton to Fenty on the Frost River deserves an honorable mention.
[0:42:22 – 0:42:25] Adam: At a scant 25 rods, it doesn’t look bad on the map.
[0:42:26 – 0:42:30] Adam: In person, it starts with a steep, boulder-strewn scrabble up from the landing.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:37] Adam: Then, what goes up must come down over a slick rock outcrop that curves down to a waist-high cliff.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:44] Adam: This descent requires creative canoe maneuvering, especially with the aluminum beast that my wife and I took through there.
[0:42:45 – 0:42:49] Adam: And there is a picture, and the evidence is solid.
[0:42:49 – 0:42:55] Adam: Eric, that is, that’s what’s called teamwork right there.
[0:42:55 – 0:42:56] Adam: You don’t want to do that one solo.
[0:42:56 – 0:42:57] Adam: I don’t know what you do.
[0:42:57 – 0:43:01] Adam: I guess just kind of pitch it down there and then scrabble down and grab it.
[0:43:02 – 0:43:06] Adam: But yeah, if you have two people, at least you can kind of work it down there, but with an aluminum beast.
[0:43:06 – 0:43:08] Adam: That’s a heroic achievement.
[0:43:09 – 0:43:10] Erik: Yeah, very much so.
[0:43:11 – 0:43:14] Adam: Yeah, I remember seeing that and just going, huh.
[0:43:15 – 0:43:18] Adam: How would you look at that?
[0:43:18 – 0:43:23] Adam: So I’ll kind of get down there and you hand her down to me and you just kind of pitch everything over the edge.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:27] Adam: That’s the best they could do.
[0:43:27 – 0:43:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:43:28 – 0:43:30] Adam: Just think about the other routes into Fente.
[0:43:30 – 0:43:31] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:43:31 – 0:43:31] Erik: Fente.
[0:43:32 – 0:43:33] Adam: Sweet, sweet Fente.
[0:43:34 – 0:43:34] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:34 – 0:43:35] Erik: I mean, that’s it.
[0:43:35 – 0:43:36] Erik: That’s all the comments.
[0:43:36 – 0:43:39] Erik: That’s it for bad portages.
[0:43:39 – 0:43:39] Erik: Bad.
[0:43:40 – 0:43:44] Adam: I think just to recap, you got to say it’s not the actual difficulty of the portage.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:48] Adam: It’s the expectations versus reality when you get onto the portage.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:54] Adam: and that you think you’re on for one that’s going to be maybe 10 minutes or something, and then you’re in there for a half hour.
[0:43:54 – 0:43:57] Adam: It’s that kind of stuff that really sticks with you, I think.
[0:43:57 – 0:44:00] Erik: Well, I feel like that’s generally life.
[0:44:00 – 0:44:08] Erik: When expectations are not met, that’s when frustrations are typically brought out to their highest levels.
[0:44:09 – 0:44:14] Erik: And when there’s physical labor involved in what those expectations are,
[0:44:14 – 0:44:19] Erik: Yeah, it causes you, and there’s nothing at that time to get truly frustrated at.
[0:44:19 – 0:44:24] Erik: A lot of times, yes, you have not met my expectations as another human.
[0:44:24 – 0:44:27] Erik: As a person, I can get very mad at you.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:31] Erik: I can focus that energy and that hatred onto something.
[0:44:32 – 0:44:40] Erik: But when you’re on a portage, the only person really at the end of the day, and that’s the realization you have to make, the only person you have to blame is yourself.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:43] Adam: Just staring down at your own reflection in a mud puddle.
[0:44:44 – 0:44:44] Erik: Yep.
[0:44:45 – 0:44:49] Erik: And you smash that mud puddle and you smash it and you smash it and you smash it.
[0:44:50 – 0:44:50] Adam: Yeah.
[0:44:50 – 0:44:53] Adam: I kicked a rock while I was weed whacking the other day, you know.
[0:44:54 – 0:44:56] Adam: I love nature, but sometimes it just gets you.
[0:44:57 – 0:45:01] Adam: That’s what this whole series of episodes have been about.
[0:45:02 – 0:45:04] Adam: We’ve really enjoyed all of your comments.
[0:45:04 – 0:45:13] Adam: I mean, that’s a lot of fun too sometimes is at the time they’re terrible, but then I hope in time you can look back on it and say, remember that?
[0:45:13 – 0:45:15] Adam: That was really terrible and kind of laugh about it.
[0:45:15 – 0:45:17] Adam: So that’s nice too.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:29] Erik: Yeah, and maybe I’ll be able to look back and remember where I was in the whirlwind of the end of the summer of 2020 because I can barely keep track of myself.
[0:45:30 – 0:45:34] Erik: If anybody knows where I am, tumblehomecast at gmail.com.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:35] Erik: Have you seen me?
[0:45:35 – 0:45:36] Erik: Where am I?
[0:45:36 – 0:45:37] Erik: Am I doing okay?
[0:45:38 – 0:45:38] Erik: I’m not 100% sure.
[0:45:40 – 0:45:42] Adam: Email Jerry if you found him.
[0:45:42 – 0:45:46] Adam: Also, you can get a hold of us at Jeff.
[0:45:47 – 0:45:49] Adam: Instagram, Tomahawkcast.
[0:45:49 – 0:45:55] Adam: We’re always on there posting nonsense and maybe some pictures of the Onion River.
[0:45:55 – 0:45:55] Adam: Who knows?
[0:45:57 – 0:46:01] Adam: And you can always call the… No, you can’t call the answering machine anymore.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:01] Erik: Why not?
[0:46:02 – 0:46:02] Erik: It’s still out there.
[0:46:02 – 0:46:03] Adam: All right.
[0:46:03 – 0:46:05] Adam: We have the number in the show notes, as always.
[0:46:05 – 0:46:07] Adam: Nobody does, but it’s there.
[0:46:07 – 0:46:08] Adam: We’re still waiting for somebody.
[0:46:08 – 0:46:10] Adam: Please, we want to hear your voice.
[0:46:10 – 0:46:11] Adam: You can’t travel anywhere.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:14] Adam: I’ve left the county in at least seven months.
[0:46:14 – 0:46:15] Adam: Is anybody still listening?
[0:46:15 – 0:46:17] Adam: Call us, please.
[0:46:17 – 0:46:18] Adam: I want to hear your sweet voices.
[0:46:19 – 0:46:20] Adam: Sing us a song.
[0:46:20 – 0:46:26] Adam: For episode 114 coming to you live from Studio V, my name is Adam, and I’ve been joined by my good friend, Eric.
[0:46:27 – 0:46:29] Adam: Thank you for being here tonight on the show, Eric.
[0:46:30 – 0:46:32] Erik: Thank you for having me in my own home.
[0:46:35 – 0:46:36] Adam: Well, it’s nice to come down and see the view.
[0:46:37 – 0:46:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:39 – 0:46:39] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:39 – 0:46:44] Adam: And, you know, if you haven’t, you know, get over on the Patreon and check that out.
[0:46:44 – 0:46:52] Adam: And then we can share inside jokes on the fabulous movie, dare I say film, that was Whitewater Summer.
[0:46:52 – 0:46:56] Adam: And this week, of course, Without a Paddle.
[0:46:57 – 0:47:00] Adam: I can’t believe I haven’t seen this movie before this week.
[0:47:00 – 0:47:01] Erik: It’s been a hell of a week.
[0:47:01 – 0:47:05] Erik: It’s going to be interesting to delve into the conversation about this movie.
[0:47:05 – 0:47:07] Erik: Don’t know what way to think about it.
[0:47:07 – 0:47:12] Adam: The only thing to do would be to have a little bit more Budweiser and possibly a bourbon and water.
[0:47:12 – 0:47:15] Adam: I think with that, we’ve got to get on out of here.
[0:47:15 – 0:47:18] Adam: Remember, folks, every day is precious and life is a miracle.
[0:47:18 – 0:47:19] Adam: Remember that, truly.
[0:47:20 – 0:47:20] Adam: It’s about life.
[0:47:21 – 0:47:24] Adam: Also, happy paddling, and we love you a lot.
[0:47:24 – 0:47:26] Adam: And Eric’s hair still looks good.
[0:47:26 – 0:47:26] Erik: Yep.
[0:47:27 – 0:47:30] Erik: And also, Clearwater is hiring.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:32] Adam: Always.
[0:47:32 – 0:47:35] Adam: For the next week, at least, until you close after Labor Day.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:47:36 – 0:47:37] Adam: Which would be the sensible thing.
[0:47:41 – 0:47:43] Adam: Do you want me to sing Lady in Red for a little bit?
[0:47:44 – 0:47:45] Erik: You still recording?
[0:47:45 – 0:47:46] Erik: Just for a little bit.
[0:47:48 – 0:47:50] Erik: Lady in Red.