098: Wilderness Rivers-Part 2

Episode Transcript

[0:01:11 – 0:01:13] Erik: How’s she going by?
[0:01:13 – 0:01:18] Erik: It’s Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:01:18 – 0:01:25] Erik: I am Eric, your pilot in Ranking Rivers, joined as always by my good friend Adam.
[0:01:25 – 0:01:26] Erik: Hello, Adam.
[0:01:26 – 0:01:27] Erik: Hello.
[0:01:27 – 0:01:29] Adam: Welcome back to Tumble Home.
[0:01:30 – 0:01:31] Adam: It’s the millennia.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:32] Erik: Millennia.
[0:01:34 – 0:01:40] Erik: So we were calling it the Malign River last week, like a couple of corn-fed Wisconsinites.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:49] Erik: Apparently, if we are believing that it is a French river named by French men and or women… Frenchies.
[0:01:49 – 0:01:50] Erik: Frenchies.
[0:01:50 – 0:01:52] Erik: Let’s just call them Frenchies.
[0:01:53 – 0:01:56] Erik: The proper pronunciation is… Malignia.
[0:01:57 – 0:01:58] Erik: Malignia.
[0:01:58 – 0:01:59] Erik: And it means smart.
[0:01:59 – 0:02:00] Erik: Mortage de groucho-groucho.
[0:02:02 – 0:02:06] Erik: Yeah, so we’re continuing our conversation on River Rankers part one.
[0:02:06 – 0:02:07] Erik: We gave our top five.
[0:02:09 – 0:02:12] Erik: We’re going to get to your River Rankers.
[0:02:12 – 0:02:14] Erik: Maybe we’ll have our minds blown.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:16] Erik: We’ll have to readjust our rankings.
[0:02:16 – 0:02:18] Adam: I hope so.
[0:02:18 – 0:02:21] Adam: I’m not going to adjust my rankings, but I do hope to have my mind blown.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:23] Erik: Yeah, I would love it.
[0:02:23 – 0:02:26] Erik: That would be super maligna.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:28] Erik: Maligna.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:32] Erik: But we are, as always, sponsored by our fine friends on Patreon.
[0:02:33 – 0:02:38] Erik: Hope you’re enjoying our commentary on Whitewater Summer.
[0:02:40 – 0:02:41] Erik: With Kevin Bacon.
[0:02:41 – 0:02:42] Adam: Oh, man, I can’t wait.
[0:02:42 – 0:02:45] Adam: I can watch it right now, but it’s too nice out.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:47] Erik: It’s just too nice out.
[0:02:47 – 0:02:50] Adam: I’ll wait until it starts raining again, then maybe I’ll watch it.
[0:02:50 – 0:02:53] Erik: It’s supposed to cool off and get a little bit rainy this week.
[0:02:53 – 0:03:00] Erik: But as of right now, it’s borderline sociopathic that we are inside right now recording a podcast.
[0:03:00 – 0:03:03] Erik: It is a perfect day outside.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:04] Erik: And we’re doing it.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:07] Erik: It’s all for you, the listener.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:09] Erik: Thanks for being there.
[0:03:09 – 0:03:10] Adam: I also enjoy it, though.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:11] Erik: Oh, I do, too.
[0:03:11 – 0:03:13] Erik: Who’s to say?
[0:03:14 – 0:03:15] Erik: We’re sociopathic.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:17] Erik: We’re narcissistic.
[0:03:17 – 0:03:18] Erik: We’re all the things.
[0:03:18 – 0:03:23] Erik: Nobody starts a podcast who doesn’t have a few mental problems.
[0:03:24 – 0:03:24] Adam: Let’s just say that.
[0:03:25 – 0:03:27] Adam: Well, you know, I’m an ENTJ.
[0:03:27 – 0:03:29] Erik: I don’t know what any of those letters mean.
[0:03:29 – 0:03:29] Erik: It’s not good.
[0:03:30 – 0:03:30] Erik: Oh, it’s not good?
[0:03:30 – 0:03:31] Adam: What’s the worst one?
[0:03:32 – 0:03:33] Adam: INTJs.
[0:03:33 – 0:03:35] Adam: Those are the real crazies.
[0:03:35 – 0:03:35] Erik: What am I?
[0:03:36 – 0:03:37] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:03:37 – 0:03:38] Adam: You’re probably more of an…
[0:03:38 – 0:03:39] Adam: I don’t know what you are.
[0:03:39 – 0:03:40] Adam: You have to take the test.
[0:03:40 – 0:03:41] Adam: I’m not going to assign it to you.
[0:03:42 – 0:03:43] Adam: I’m not a test giver or a score giver.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:44] Erik: Check the show notes.
[0:03:44 – 0:03:50] Erik: I will take the test and put in my eugenics code or whatever it is you’re talking about.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:52] Adam: I’m an ENTJA.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:57] Adam: Which basically means I’m like, yeah, I’m a true sociopath.
[0:03:57 – 0:03:58] Adam: A crazy person.
[0:03:58 – 0:03:59] Adam: Yeah, absolutely.
[0:04:01 – 0:04:02] Adam: All right.
[0:04:02 – 0:04:07] Erik: We’re only three minutes in and we’ve almost already said a few terrible things.
[0:04:07 – 0:04:10] Adam: You are listening to Tumble Home.
[0:04:10 – 0:04:12] Adam: We haven’t even said the name of it.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:15] Adam: Tumble Home is brought to you by our good friends on Patreon, of course.
[0:04:16 – 0:04:16] Adam: We love you.
[0:04:17 – 0:04:40] Adam: so much so much um also we really you know once again i can’t say it enough if if there wasn’t people listening to this we wouldn’t be doing it that’s very that’s nice that there are people that want to listen to this yeah no i mean even if it’s just background noise while you’re like thatching the lawn that’s cool with me how do you thatch a lawn you gotta really rake hard rake with hard raking you gotta rake with vigor
[0:04:41 – 0:04:42] Erik: All right.
[0:04:42 – 0:04:46] Erik: Well, I think we should get moving on this so I can go outside and fash the lawn.
[0:04:46 – 0:04:50] Adam: Episode 098 is also brought to you by Bent Paddle Canoe.
[0:04:50 – 0:04:52] Adam: We’re not actually sponsored by Bent Paddle.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:53] Adam: No.
[0:04:53 – 0:04:54] Adam: We’re not corporate enough.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:57] Erik: Only the original podcasts of the Bungie Waters is sponsored by…
[0:04:57 – 0:05:00] Adam: But we drink more canoe than any other podcast out there.
[0:05:00 – 0:05:01] Adam: That’s a guarantee.
[0:05:02 – 0:05:03] Adam: Cheers, Eric.
[0:05:03 – 0:05:04] Erik: I think we’ve been sponsored by canoe before.
[0:05:05 – 0:05:06] Adam: A couple hundred times.
[0:05:09 – 0:05:11] Erik: Is cheersing allowed in these days of…
[0:05:12 – 0:05:13] Adam: It was a virtual cheers.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:15] Adam: We just, we boot bounced it.
[0:05:16 – 0:05:18] Erik: I just kicked you in the shin and chugged half my beer.
[0:05:18 – 0:05:20] Erik: That’s essentially how you cheers these days, right?
[0:05:21 – 0:05:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:22 – 0:05:23] Adam: I’m not touching elbows.
[0:05:23 – 0:05:25] Adam: I don’t even come at me with that elbow.
[0:05:25 – 0:05:26] Adam: Okay.
[0:05:26 – 0:05:26] Adam: Sicko.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:30] Adam: Let’s get to the fine folks on Reddit and what they have to say.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:37] Adam: I’ve heard enough from the two of us on what we feel about rivers and going with the flow and, you know.
[0:05:37 – 0:05:37] Adam: Bunch of.
[0:05:37 – 0:05:38] Adam: Malarkey.
[0:05:38 – 0:05:39] Adam: Malarkey.
[0:05:39 – 0:06:05] Adam: philosophical wandering conversations french ghouls maligna um i think my favorite part of that whole last episode was figuring out that malign is actually maligna and means smart so i do feel smarter now so we learned something you’ve also had a week to ruminate on uh catch and release any final thoughts on uh the aspect of you know it’s because it’s one of those things that’s it’s
[0:06:06 – 0:06:14] Erik: You’re couched in the idea that you’re doing better, something nicer to the fish by not keeping it and eating it.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:18] Erik: But it’s also like a subtle form of like kind of sick harassment.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:18] Adam: It is.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:22] Adam: I normally don’t do it as much now.
[0:06:22 – 0:06:25] Adam: There are certain seasons where you’re in catch or release only.
[0:06:26 – 0:06:30] Adam: Or like with our good friends, the steelhead, which I’m unable to catch.
[0:06:31 – 0:06:55] Adam: um unless they have a clipped fin you’re not allowed to keep them it’s catch and release only always yeah so think about that and people do it all the time just for the enjoyment of uh and the appreciation of the the wonder and beauty is nature yeah look at that steelhead i’ve seen so many nice pictures one day maybe i will so i will continue to catch and release fish because i want to catch a steelhead
[0:06:55 – 0:06:55] Adam: Sure.
[0:06:55 – 0:06:58] Adam: But I don’t do it very often these days.
[0:06:58 – 0:07:02] Adam: Most of the time when I’m fishing, if I catch one, I’m keeping it.
[0:07:02 – 0:07:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:04 – 0:07:08] Adam: And some people might not be okay with that either.
[0:07:08 – 0:07:10] Erik: Unless it’s a Mad Tom Tadpole.
[0:07:10 – 0:07:12] Adam: Yeah, then murder it immediately.
[0:07:12 – 0:07:14] Erik: Yeah, that thing’s getting bludgeoned on the side of the boat.
[0:07:15 – 0:07:15] Adam: Use it as bait.
[0:07:16 – 0:07:19] Erik: We found out that that was apparently essentially an invasive.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:21] Adam: Yeah, somebody dumped their bait bucket.
[0:07:21 – 0:07:26] Erik: Basically, it’s like coveted bait down in the sludge waters of Missouri.
[0:07:26 – 0:07:27] Adam: Yeah, good river bait.
[0:07:28 – 0:07:29] Adam: Sorry, Missouri.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:35] Adam: If you’re ever on the millennia, you have a bucket full of mad Tom tadpoles, you will slay.
[0:07:36 – 0:07:36] Adam: You will slay.
[0:07:36 – 0:07:38] Adam: You will slay and then keep those fish.
[0:07:38 – 0:07:40] Adam: Don’t, you know, just take their picture and release it.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:42] Adam: So you’re saying CPR is like…
[0:07:43 – 0:07:48] Adam: Some sort of monstrous act of like… CPR?
[0:07:48 – 0:07:49] Adam: Yeah, catch, photo, release, man.
[0:07:50 – 0:07:57] Erik: Oh, I didn’t realize that is definitely not the… That is not the acronym that I associate with CPR.
[0:07:57 – 0:08:00] Adam: Yeah, but you’re saying that’s kind of like sadistic.
[0:08:00 – 0:08:01] Adam: I’m not saying that.
[0:08:01 – 0:08:02] Adam: I’m just suggesting it.
[0:08:03 – 0:08:03] Adam: No, you’re saying it is.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:05] Erik: Okay, well… And I agree.
[0:08:05 – 0:08:06] Adam: It is.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:07] Erik: It’s a little weird.
[0:08:08 – 0:08:12] Erik: Everybody now knows where Tumble Home comes down, at least on the co-pilot of Rankers.
[0:08:13 – 0:08:17] Erik: I’m not suggesting that it is inherently sadistic or wrong.
[0:08:17 – 0:08:18] Adam: I’ll still do it, though.
[0:08:18 – 0:08:19] Adam: So it’s not that wrong.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:26] Adam: Is there a way to prove that… You can safely catch a fish and release it and it will live forever.
[0:08:26 – 0:08:27] Erik: That’s what I mean.
[0:08:27 – 0:08:27] Erik: That’s what I’m saying.
[0:08:27 – 0:08:38] Erik: But in the process of doing it, are you causing them either physical, psychological, or emotional harm?
[0:08:38 – 0:08:39] Adam: All of the above, I’m certain.
[0:08:39 – 0:08:43] Erik: You’re just causing the fish all kinds of future pain and suffering?
[0:08:43 – 0:08:44] Erik: A lot of trauma.
[0:08:44 – 0:08:45] Erik: It’s a lot of trauma.
[0:08:45 – 0:08:47] Erik: I mean, I have to imagine that it is.
[0:08:47 – 0:08:49] Adam: It’s going to take years of therapy.
[0:08:49 – 0:08:54] Erik: And if you’re not putting the meat on the table to feed your family, then what is it?
[0:08:54 – 0:08:59] Adam: I could see like where if you’re catching and then releasing because like, oh, that one’s not big enough to keep.
[0:09:00 – 0:09:02] Adam: Or maybe you caught one and it’s too big to keep.
[0:09:02 – 0:09:03] Adam: I’ve been in that position too.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:07] Adam: Like twice in my life where it’s like, oh, that’s way too big.
[0:09:07 – 0:09:08] Adam: We’re going to let that one go.
[0:09:09 – 0:09:10] Adam: I’ve never experienced that.
[0:09:10 – 0:09:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:09:10 – 0:09:13] Adam: And then, okay, I don’t want to murder and eat that.
[0:09:13 – 0:09:16] Adam: That’s too much mercury for one.
[0:09:16 – 0:09:20] Adam: Also, I wouldn’t be able to sleep if I kept that fish.
[0:09:20 – 0:09:22] Adam: That’s happened twice.
[0:09:22 – 0:09:23] Adam: Yeah.
[0:09:23 – 0:09:29] Adam: But yeah, most of the times when I’m fishing nowadays, if I catch one that’s a keeper, I’m keeping it.
[0:09:30 – 0:09:31] Adam: Yeah.
[0:09:31 – 0:09:33] Adam: But sometimes they have the rules with the steelhead.
[0:09:34 – 0:09:37] Adam: Sure, I’d keep one if I catch one and keep it.
[0:09:37 – 0:09:39] Adam: Maybe if I caught one with a clip fin, yeah, I’ll keep it.
[0:09:40 – 0:09:44] Adam: Or if I somehow am in the Cadun’s River and catch a 20-inch brook trout…
[0:09:45 – 0:09:46] Adam: I guess I’ll keep it and eat it.
[0:09:46 – 0:09:47] Adam: That would be amazing.
[0:09:47 – 0:09:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:09:48 – 0:09:49] Adam: I still would feel kind of bad.
[0:09:50 – 0:09:51] Adam: It doesn’t even matter if it’s legal or not.
[0:09:51 – 0:09:57] Adam: I still always feel a little bad when you have to clobber them on the head and say goodnight, sweet prince.
[0:09:57 – 0:10:02] Erik: Yeah, I mean, we’re almost 100 episodes in.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:03] Adam: I’m conflicted.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:05] Erik: We’re still conflicted.
[0:10:05 – 0:10:06] Erik: We’re not.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:07] Adam: Because I like to eat fish.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:08] Erik: We don’t have the answers.
[0:10:09 – 0:10:15] Adam: I guess it’s better to clobber and eat your own fish or like hammer crush a grouse and eat that grouse.
[0:10:15 – 0:10:19] Erik: I feel like the language you’re using is troubling.
[0:10:19 – 0:10:20] Erik: Clobbering.
[0:10:20 – 0:10:26] Adam: Go down to the butcher shop and buy a hunk of meat that somebody else had to clobber.
[0:10:26 – 0:10:27] Adam: Sure, there you go.
[0:10:27 – 0:10:31] Adam: You’re putting it off onto somebody else, the tough part of it.
[0:10:32 – 0:10:58] Erik: yeah NIMBY yeah there’s an acronym for you that I know yeah what it means it doesn’t stand for something else catch photo release yeah I don’t know we’re just talking asking questions it’s just a think it’s a thinker that’s what I think I’ve heard from the day we started this podcast almost every email that I’ve gotten you know you guys really make me think well that’s I’ve never heard that’s a compliment no I’ve never heard that never
[0:10:59 – 0:11:02] Adam: Well, hopefully somebody does say that one day.
[0:11:02 – 0:11:07] Erik: Hopefully one of these days we’ll get somebody that sends us an email that says, you guys really make me think.
[0:11:08 – 0:11:13] Erik: That’s not the goal is actually to help maybe alleviate some thoughts and some thinking.
[0:11:14 – 0:11:14] Erik: All right.
[0:11:14 – 0:11:16] Adam: So you’ve heard our top fives.
[0:11:16 – 0:11:17] Adam: We’ll quickly run them down.
[0:11:18 – 0:11:18] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:11:18 – 0:11:21] Adam: Mine was the Cadence River, my home river.
[0:11:21 – 0:11:24] Adam: The Pigeon River, the gateway to the Grand Portage.
[0:11:24 – 0:11:27] Adam: The Granite River, the first river.
[0:11:27 – 0:11:35] Adam: Actually, everybody is actually contractually obligated to run as a seasonal employee up here.
[0:11:36 – 0:11:36] Adam: You must go.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:37] Erik: Yes.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:39] Adam: The Quetico River, which is…
[0:11:41 – 0:11:45] Adam: You know, go back to episode 097 to hear our thoughts on that.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:52] Adam: And then the Frost River, which I feel like is the river of all of the Quetico Superior that everybody should do.
[0:11:52 – 0:11:55] Erik: The most hotly contested river on that list was the Quetico River.
[0:11:55 – 0:11:56] Erik: That was my top five.
[0:11:56 – 0:12:01] Erik: Mine was the Darkie, the Granite, the Pigeon, the Frost, and the Melinia.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:03] Adam: So, yeah, we had a couple differences there.
[0:12:04 – 0:12:09] Erik: What do you think the first river on RBWCA is going to be?
[0:12:09 – 0:12:10] Erik: Frost.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:10] Erik: Oh, for sure.
[0:12:11 – 0:12:12] Erik: I haven’t even looked, and it’s going to be the Frost River.
[0:12:12 – 0:12:16] Adam: Or somebody’s going to maybe say the Kawishui, which I don’t like.
[0:12:17 – 0:12:19] Erik: You don’t like the Kawishui River or that answer?
[0:12:20 – 0:12:22] Adam: I don’t like the Kawishui River.
[0:12:22 – 0:12:23] Adam: I love the answer.
[0:12:24 – 0:12:25] Adam: There’s a yellow lab on your porch.
[0:12:25 – 0:12:28] Erik: Yeah, that’s Rocco’s brother.
[0:12:28 – 0:12:29] Erik: I don’t know his name.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:31] Erik: He’s had hip surgery, though.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:35] Adam: Anyways, I would think, you know, I want to say Frost River is probably up there.
[0:12:35 – 0:12:36] Adam: Granite River, maybe.
[0:12:36 – 0:12:38] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:12:38 – 0:12:40] Erik: Dollars to donuts.
[0:12:40 – 0:12:41] Erik: Frost River.
[0:12:41 – 0:12:43] Adam: Yeah, it’s the most famous.
[0:12:43 – 0:12:45] Adam: It’s my number one for a reason.
[0:12:46 – 0:12:50] Adam: As soon as you said, we should do a river episode, that’s the river I picture.
[0:12:50 – 0:12:51] Adam: Okay.
[0:12:51 – 0:12:52] Adam: So that’s where I’m going with.
[0:12:53 – 0:12:54] Adam: We haven’t read these before.
[0:12:54 – 0:12:55] Adam: Nope.
[0:12:55 – 0:12:57] Adam: I can’t wait to hear what people have to say.
[0:12:57 – 0:13:01] Erik: Our first time scrolling through river questions.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:05] Erik: What’s your favorite river in the BWCA Quetico Wilderness?
[0:13:06 – 0:13:07] Erik: And remember to show your work.
[0:13:08 – 0:13:10] Erik: This is from Smoke Chaser.
[0:13:11 – 0:13:12] Erik: Three points?
[0:13:12 – 0:13:12] Erik: Come on.
[0:13:13 – 0:13:13] Erik: Only three, huh?
[0:13:14 – 0:13:15] Erik: Well, I put it up kind of late.
[0:13:16 – 0:13:16] Erik: True.
[0:13:17 – 0:13:19] Erik: Oh, what do you know?
[0:13:19 – 0:13:20] Erik: We nailed it.
[0:13:23 – 0:13:23] Adam: Yeah!
[0:13:24 – 0:13:26] Adam: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:28] Erik: Frost River!
[0:13:28 – 0:13:29] Erik: Exclamation point.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:36] Erik: My wife and I spent some great time enjoying it from east to west back in 2017.
[0:13:36 – 0:13:37] Erik: Also a wife experience.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:38] Erik: Absolutely.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:39] Erik: Shared wife experience.
[0:13:39 – 0:13:43] Adam: It’s the number one way to reconnect with your spouse or just connect with them in the first place.
[0:13:43 – 0:13:44] Erik: Or to put down a foundation of memories.
[0:13:45 – 0:13:46] Adam: It’s a great way to woo someone.
[0:13:46 – 0:13:48] Adam: Take them on a Frost River trip.
[0:13:48 – 0:13:51] Erik: I mean, it’s the sexiest river in the park.
[0:13:51 – 0:13:53] Adam: They might as well just rename it Courtship River.
[0:13:54 – 0:13:56] Erik: Courtship River.
[0:13:56 – 0:13:58] Adam: Yeah, you’re going to find out if you guys work.
[0:13:58 – 0:14:00] Adam: You do a Frost River route together.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:03] Adam: If you’re still talking at the end of it, put a ring on it.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:15] Erik: Do you remember those things back in high school where you filled out a questionnaire and then you got this Scantron printout of who you were most connected with in the school?
[0:14:15 – 0:14:19] Erik: That was, first of all, super weird, but the Frost River is that test.
[0:14:20 – 0:14:20] Adam: Yeah, absolutely.
[0:14:20 – 0:14:22] Adam: It’ll show you if you’re compatible.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:23] Adam: We all know.
[0:14:24 – 0:14:25] Adam: And I’ll never forget it.
[0:14:25 – 0:14:38] Erik: Despite the 24 beaver dam pullovers and one tense moment consulting the map and compass to ensure we didn’t take the wrong direction down a small creek to the south, it remains one of our favorite days in the BWCA.
[0:14:39 – 0:14:39] Adam: 24, huh?
[0:14:41 – 0:14:41] Adam: That’s his count.
[0:14:41 – 0:14:42] Adam: 24 beaver dams.
[0:14:42 – 0:14:44] Erik: I believe that number probably fluctuates.
[0:14:44 – 0:14:45] Erik: It does, seasonally.
[0:14:46 – 0:14:53] Erik: I like the conjuring of not knowing exactly what direction you’re heading in.
[0:14:53 – 0:14:56] Erik: It is a constant, like, you got to pay attention.
[0:14:56 – 0:14:57] Adam: Always twisting and branching.
[0:14:58 – 0:14:58] Adam: Branches.
[0:14:58 – 0:15:01] Adam: You could do the Frost River in like 14 different ways.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:02] Erik: There’s so many branches.
[0:15:02 – 0:15:06] Adam: There’s a lot of different options out there for the paddler to take.
[0:15:07 – 0:15:08] Adam: They all will lead you to the same place.
[0:15:09 – 0:15:12] Erik: Yeah, sometimes they could lead you completely off into the wrong direction.
[0:15:12 – 0:15:13] Adam: Totally askew.
[0:15:13 – 0:15:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:18] Erik: You end up into that hairy lake PMA somehow.
[0:15:18 – 0:15:19] Adam: Watch out.
[0:15:19 – 0:15:20] Adam: How did we end up on Din?
[0:15:20 – 0:15:21] Adam: We’re up in North Octopus.
[0:15:22 – 0:15:23] Adam: This is a bunch of malarkey.
[0:15:24 – 0:15:28] Erik: Ooh, we’ve got a response here, which I think might be an interesting read.
[0:15:28 – 0:15:31] Adam: Yo Dub Englishman’s in with a response.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:32] Adam: Is this right?
[0:15:32 – 0:15:35] Adam: Our group was split on if we liked it or hated it.
[0:15:36 – 0:15:37] Adam: We went in August.
[0:15:37 – 0:15:43] Adam: The river was low, but we only saw it on the map and had no insight on how small it would actually be.
[0:15:43 – 0:15:47] Adam: We camped on Frost Lake, which has my favorite rock in the Boundary Waters.
[0:15:47 – 0:15:48] Adam: I know that rock.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:57] Adam: Ate lunch at Bologna Lake, but made the dumb decision to push onward, which, of course, all of the next lakes were full until Crooked.
[0:15:57 – 0:15:58] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:15:58 – 0:16:02] Erik: Yeah, well, there’s not many campsites beyond Bologna besides that one on…
[0:16:02 – 0:16:03] Erik: Isn’t there one on…
[0:16:03 – 0:16:04] Adam: Garbage dump on Afton.
[0:16:04 – 0:16:05] Adam: Garbage dump.
[0:16:05 – 0:16:06] Adam: Isn’t there one on Whipped?
[0:16:06 – 0:16:07] Adam: There’s one on Whipped.
[0:16:07 – 0:16:07] Adam: Whipped.
[0:16:08 – 0:16:16] Adam: Yeah, we stopped for a lunch of cookies on Whipped, and boy, that was a nice spot for a lunch.
[0:16:16 – 0:16:17] Adam: I would never camp on Whipped.
[0:16:18 – 0:16:19] Adam: I would definitely push on to Crooked.
[0:16:20 – 0:16:21] Adam: We ended up on Mora that night.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:25] Adam: But apparently Mora was all full if you had to go all the way to Crooked.
[0:16:26 – 0:16:29] Adam: No bueno, but… Half the group, you’re split.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:32] Adam: You don’t want to stop in the middle of the day when you’re having lunch and just stay on bologna.
[0:16:33 – 0:16:35] Adam: No, that’s the main reason that I did it in one day.
[0:16:35 – 0:16:37] Adam: But the main point was you did it in August.
[0:16:38 – 0:16:39] Erik: Yeah, that’s a little… A little too late.
[0:16:39 – 0:16:41] Erik: A little too late.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:43] Erik: Probably a little too low unless it’s… Couldn’t be any drier probably.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:44] Erik: No.
[0:16:44 – 0:16:45] Erik: It’s always a thing.
[0:16:45 – 0:16:50] Erik: You’re going to want to check in on frost river water levels because by August it can be questionable.
[0:16:51 – 0:16:51] Adam: All right.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:55] Adam: Hopalicious is in next with two points.
[0:16:56 – 0:17:01] Adam: Never done a river, so I will say the Kawishawi River simply because it’s fun to try and say.
[0:17:02 – 0:17:03] Adam: Kawishawi.
[0:17:03 – 0:17:03] Adam: Kawishawi.
[0:17:04 – 0:17:05] Erik: Kawishawi.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:06] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:17:06 – 0:17:09] Erik: Hopalicious, haven’t you been up to call Nippy?
[0:17:09 – 0:17:11] Erik: I would say that the man chain.
[0:17:11 – 0:17:12] Erik: All right.
[0:17:12 – 0:17:13] Erik: Here we go.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:14] Erik: Let’s get a petition going.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:18] Erik: Everybody needs to write a letter to the Ontario Minister of Natural Resources.
[0:17:19 – 0:17:26] Erik: Section of the Falls chain needs a name associated with it as a river so we can talk about it like it’s a river because it is.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:28] Adam: Yeah, part of the Maligne.
[0:17:28 – 0:17:29] Erik: Maligne.
[0:17:29 – 0:17:31] Erik: And that’s where I’m coming from.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:34] Erik: So Hopalicious, thank you for the response.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:38] Erik: But I’m going to say, based on my memory, I’m pretty sure you’ve been up into those parts.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:41] Erik: You have paddled the Maligne.
[0:17:41 – 0:17:43] Erik: And that should be the number one.
[0:17:43 – 0:17:44] Adam: Even I didn’t know.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:46] Adam: Even I didn’t know I had.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:49] Erik: I think I’m smarter than the Minister of Ministry?
[0:17:49 – 0:17:50] Erik: Minister?
[0:17:50 – 0:17:51] Adam: Ministry of Maps.
[0:17:51 – 0:17:52] Adam: Ministry of Maps.
[0:17:52 – 0:17:52] Adam: Yes.
[0:17:55 – 0:17:55] Adam: Aldi won.
[0:17:56 – 0:17:59] SPEAKER_02: Oh, this is one of my honorable mentions.
[0:18:00 – 0:18:00] Erik: All right.
[0:18:00 – 0:18:05] Erik: My first BWCA trip, we traveled on the Horse River to lower Basswood Falls.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:09] Erik: I remember really enjoying the scenery and rocky shores along the way.
[0:18:10 – 0:18:14] Erik: A river I’m not too fond of is the Little Indian Sioux Southern Section.
[0:18:15 – 0:18:15] Erik: Oh.
[0:18:15 – 0:18:18] Erik: I found that to be extremely marshy and filled with beaver dams.
[0:18:18 – 0:18:20] Adam: Well, there’s nothing wrong with beavers, though.
[0:18:20 – 0:18:20] Adam: We all know that.
[0:18:21 – 0:18:21] Adam: They’re very cool.
[0:18:22 – 0:18:23] Erik: Yes, check back to Beaver Believers.
[0:18:24 – 0:18:38] Adam: I saw the Little Indian Sioux River on the map this morning when I was having my second pot of coffee, and I was intrigued, but I’ve never really heard anything about it, so now I have.
[0:18:39 – 0:18:43] Erik: That’s on the list of potential dreamer rivers.
[0:18:43 – 0:18:44] Adam: Yeah, it’s over in that section.
[0:18:45 – 0:18:48] Adam: There’s a lot of interesting water over there that I would like to explore.
[0:18:48 – 0:18:53] Erik: Yeah, we were looking at that as being a potential early season trip over in those parts.
[0:18:53 – 0:18:53] Erik: For sure.
[0:18:54 – 0:18:59] Erik: To assuage the demands of our listeners to start talking about the West Wing.
[0:19:00 – 0:19:05] Adam: What time of year, Aldiwan, did you go to the Little Indian Sioux Southern Section River?
[0:19:06 – 0:19:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:19:06 – 0:19:08] Adam: I mean, it does look small.
[0:19:09 – 0:19:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:19:10 – 0:19:10] Adam: It looks like small water.
[0:19:11 – 0:19:11] Adam: For sure.
[0:19:11 – 0:19:19] Erik: But there’s other rivers over there that I’ve paddled like late in the year that have not had beaver issues.
[0:19:20 – 0:19:25] Erik: Oh, immediately afterwards, the one that I’m not too fond of, this person is fond of it.
[0:19:25 – 0:19:26] Erik: Yarlik.
[0:19:28 – 0:19:30] Erik: The silent J.
[0:19:31 – 0:19:32] Adam: One point only.
[0:19:32 – 0:19:35] Adam: Little Indian Sioux is my favorite so far.
[0:19:35 – 0:19:43] Adam: Awesome scenery, gently winding, wide enough to be easy to navigate, wild rice lined, picturesque.
[0:19:44 – 0:19:47] Adam: Moose Camp River north of Fortown was a bit of a bear.
[0:19:48 – 0:19:53] Adam: Beautiful and very moosey back there, but very tight turns and lots and lots of beaver dams.
[0:19:54 – 0:19:55] Adam: Tight turns.
[0:19:55 – 0:20:02] Adam: I guess you’d have to, like, get to a point in your life where you actually enjoy beaver dams to enjoy most of the rivers of Quetico Superior.
[0:20:03 – 0:20:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:03 – 0:20:06] Adam: Rivers and beaver dams go together like beavers in water.
[0:20:07 – 0:20:07] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:20:08 – 0:20:08] Erik: Or…
[0:20:13 – 0:20:13] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:20:14 – 0:20:17] Adam: Or mud and current.
[0:20:17 – 0:20:17] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:20:18 – 0:20:18] Adam: Yeah.
[0:20:18 – 0:20:21] Adam: There’s all sorts of things that can go together, but those are the two common things.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:23] Adam: You see a nice river on the map.
[0:20:24 – 0:20:33] Adam: If it’s small, like a single blue line, almost certainly going to be filled with beavers and the dams that beavers do bring.
[0:20:34 – 0:20:39] Adam: And as we’ve already covered, those are very beneficial to the landscape.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:41] Adam: And that’s just the way of nature.
[0:20:42 – 0:20:44] Adam: So it’s best to just go with the flow.
[0:20:45 – 0:20:48] Adam: Pull over the beaver dams and just enjoy counting them.
[0:20:49 – 0:20:50] Adam: Every beaver dam is special.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:57] Erik: If anybody out there listening hasn’t heard the two episodes that we did on beavers, sum up beavers in three words.
[0:21:04 – 0:21:04] Adam: Hmm.
[0:21:04 – 0:21:06] Erik: Doesn’t have to be a full sentence or anything.
[0:21:06 – 0:21:06] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:07 – 0:21:08] Adam: I only get three words.
[0:21:08 – 0:21:08] Erik: Three.
[0:21:10 – 0:21:10] Erik: I’ve did.
[0:21:11 – 0:21:11] Erik: I’ve decreed.
[0:21:11 – 0:21:15] Erik: At this point, they probably could have just gone back and listened.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:17] Adam: Clean water rats.
[0:21:18 – 0:21:18] Erik: Ooh, nice.
[0:21:19 – 0:21:19] Erik: I like it.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:21] Erik: That’s great.
[0:21:23 – 0:21:32] Adam: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I’m glad we did the beaver episode before we did the river episode because had we done them in the reverse order, it’s like reversing the flow of a river.
[0:21:32 – 0:21:33] Adam: It wouldn’t make any sense.
[0:21:34 – 0:21:35] Erik: No, yeah, no.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:42] Erik: Any change of course at this point now would be a jarring change to the ecosystem of this podcast.
[0:21:43 – 0:21:44] Erik: Big Al 2020.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:52] Erik: I haven’t paddled many different BWCA rivers, but on my first ever trip, we paddled up the Stewart River.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:56] Erik: I remember seeing some guys in a canoe with a long pole.
[0:21:56 – 0:21:59] Erik: We thought they were harvesting wild rice, which is cool.
[0:21:59 – 0:22:02] Erik: And some turtles were mating at some point.
[0:22:03 – 0:22:07] Erik: I think the main reason it’s my favorite is that it was my first experience of its kind.
[0:22:08 – 0:22:13] Erik: And I’m glad my friend’s dad brought me along and introduced me to this awesome wilderness.
[0:22:14 – 0:22:24] Erik: Yeah, totally sounds like it was associated with an early experience, which heightens and forges that memory sword.
[0:22:26 – 0:22:30] Erik: It’s brought me great memories, and hopefully there is many more to come.
[0:22:30 – 0:22:35] Erik: I’d just like to say that this summer is my first time planning a trip, and your podcast has made it.
[0:22:35 – 0:22:35] Erik: All right.
[0:22:36 – 0:22:37] Adam: Well, you know, quit it.
[0:22:37 – 0:22:38] Adam: You know, you don’t have to do that.
[0:22:38 – 0:22:40] Adam: Thanks, Big Al.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:44] Adam: We appreciate it, but seriously, you’re making us blush.
[0:22:45 – 0:22:49] Adam: Next up, Udub Englishman, one point.
[0:22:50 – 0:22:51] Adam: Has anyone done the Vern River?
[0:22:52 – 0:22:55] Adam: Are you talking like down by Brulee?
[0:22:56 – 0:22:57] Adam: Into Vern Lake?
[0:22:58 – 0:22:59] Erik: Yeah, let me… We have.
[0:23:00 – 0:23:01] Adam: If that’s the case, we have done it.
[0:23:01 – 0:23:02] Adam: We should look into the Vern River.
[0:23:02 – 0:23:03] Adam: And I actually thought of it.
[0:23:03 – 0:23:05] Adam: Because that one’s real skinny.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:08] Adam: But you can get them in two through there.
[0:23:09 – 0:23:11] Adam: And we did catch walleye that night on Vern Lake.
[0:23:11 – 0:23:13] Adam: If that’s the Vern River you’re talking about…
[0:23:15 – 0:23:17] Adam: Then, yeah, and we did it in June because this is…
[0:23:17 – 0:23:18] Adam: I’m sorry.
[0:23:18 – 0:23:21] Adam: I’ll stop stepping all over your commentary.
[0:23:21 – 0:23:22] Adam: If so, when?
[0:23:23 – 0:23:27] Adam: We went in August, and it was the worst experience I’ve had in the BWCA.
[0:23:27 – 0:23:28] Adam: Water was low.
[0:23:28 – 0:23:30] Adam: Tons of boulders to carry our gear around.
[0:23:31 – 0:23:32] Adam: Had to bushwhack our own portages.
[0:23:33 – 0:23:35] Adam: It took us six hours to go two miles.
[0:23:35 – 0:23:36] Adam: Yes, it is.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:39] Adam: Went from Juno Lake… Oh, you went… Oh, you’re going upstream, though.
[0:23:40 – 0:23:42] Adam: We went from Juno Lake and since…
[0:23:42 – 0:23:49] Adam: And since all of the intermediary lakes were full, we had to finish with three consecutive hard portages to reach Sawbill.
[0:23:50 – 0:23:51] Adam: Pure exhaustion.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:53] Adam: Camp was quiet that night.
[0:23:54 – 0:23:57] Adam: How do you all learn if a river stream on a map is passable or not?
[0:23:58 – 0:23:58] Adam: That’s a good question.
[0:23:59 – 0:24:01] Erik: Wait, so they went back to Sawbill from Vern?
[0:24:02 – 0:24:04] Adam: I don’t know how you do that.
[0:24:05 – 0:24:07] Adam: Isn’t Vern down by…
[0:24:08 – 0:24:09] Adam: I thought Vern was off of Brule.
[0:24:10 – 0:24:11] Adam: Oh, that one?
[0:24:12 – 0:24:12] Adam: Ooh.
[0:24:13 – 0:24:13] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:16] Adam: Am I not thinking of the right…
[0:24:16 – 0:24:27] Erik: No, I think that that comes in from the lakes that you were originally talking about that I don’t know what… Oh, it went… Did you go through like Pipestone or Pipe?
[0:24:28 – 0:24:29] Adam: Oh my God, they went that way.
[0:24:29 – 0:24:35] Erik: No, so there is a river that goes out of Vern and then it comes into Weird.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:37] Adam: Oh, it went through Weird.
[0:24:37 – 0:24:38] Adam: There’s not…
[0:24:38 – 0:24:38] Adam: This is…
[0:24:38 – 0:24:42] Erik: I don’t know what map you have, sir or ma’am, but like…
[0:24:42 – 0:24:43] Adam: I’ve never done that.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:44] Erik: It doesn’t even connect…
[0:24:45 – 0:24:52] Adam: Yeah, we just went down to Verne and then up through Juneau back into Brule, which is a very short section of river travel.
[0:24:52 – 0:24:53] Erik: That’s insane.
[0:24:54 – 0:24:56] Adam: I remember looking at that and like, oh, I wonder if that goes through.
[0:24:57 – 0:24:58] Adam: There’s no portages listed.
[0:24:58 – 0:24:59] Adam: And that’s how I tell.
[0:25:00 – 0:25:02] Adam: If you’re looking at a map and you’re like, I wonder if you can get through there.
[0:25:02 – 0:25:08] Adam: We were talking about it a few episodes ago, talking about the South Arm of Knife and if you can get through from…
[0:25:09 – 0:25:26] Adam: nabak oh yeah you know and you’re like well there’s a portage to nabak and then there’s this section of stream that goes to the the south armor knife you would think because of the portage into nabak that it would connect or if you’re looking at some other stuff and you just see like yeah there’s a portage on this river section
[0:25:27 – 0:25:28] Adam: Oh, in the middle of nowhere.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:31] Adam: Well, then, yeah, you must be able to paddle to that portage.
[0:25:31 – 0:25:32] Adam: Otherwise, it wouldn’t be listed, right?
[0:25:33 – 0:25:33] Erik: Right.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:37] Erik: You can also call a local outfitter.
[0:25:37 – 0:25:39] Erik: I know that they would have pretty up-to-date.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:39] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:45] Adam: You’re going to have to ask the people at Sawbill what they think about the Verne River going into Weird.
[0:25:45 – 0:25:46] Adam: That is a route.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:49] Erik: I want to know more about that one, you dub Englishman.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:50] Adam: I love it.
[0:25:50 – 0:25:55] Adam: I love the gusto of that, just the pure ambition of trying that route.
[0:25:55 – 0:25:56] Adam: I love it.
[0:25:56 – 0:25:58] Erik: They say that there was portages involved.
[0:25:58 – 0:26:01] Erik: They went from Juneau to Sawbill on the Verne River.
[0:26:02 – 0:26:05] Adam: Yeah, so they went Juneau down into Verne and then out the Verne River.
[0:26:06 – 0:26:07] Erik: I’m upvoting and then later in the comment.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:08] Erik: Yeah, absolutely.
[0:26:08 – 0:26:09] Erik: Tell me more.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:10] Adam: Very brave.
[0:26:10 – 0:26:10] Adam: I love it.
[0:26:11 – 0:26:11] Adam: Tell me more.
[0:26:11 – 0:26:15] Adam: But yeah, that’s how you don’t ever know if it’s passable until you’re there.
[0:26:15 – 0:26:18] Adam: General rule of thumb, if it looks small, don’t go in August.
[0:26:20 – 0:26:23] Adam: Try and go early, May or June, and…
[0:26:23 – 0:26:30] Adam: Yeah, if you can see portages that infer a connection, then it’s probably passable, but I don’t know.
[0:26:30 – 0:26:32] Adam: I would look into it a little bit farther.
[0:26:32 – 0:26:39] Adam: I would never have even tried that Vern route, but that sounds incredible, honestly, and now I kind of want to try it.
[0:26:42 – 0:26:42] Erik: Gobi.
[0:26:43 – 0:26:44] Erik: In my pants.
[0:26:45 – 0:26:46] Erik: Long time listener.
[0:26:46 – 0:26:46] Erik: Well, I don’t know.
[0:26:46 – 0:26:47] Adam: Friend of the show.
[0:26:47 – 0:26:48] Erik: Maybe they don’t listen.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:49] Erik: They just respond.
[0:26:50 – 0:26:51] Adam: Long time commenter.
[0:26:51 – 0:26:52] Erik: Long time commenter.
[0:26:53 – 0:26:54] Erik: What’s the opposite?
[0:26:55 – 0:26:55] Erik: Long time first time?
[0:26:56 – 0:26:56] UNKNOWN: Heh.
[0:26:57 – 0:26:58] Adam: First time commenter.
[0:26:58 – 0:26:59] Adam: Oh, long time listener.
[0:26:59 – 0:27:00] Adam: First time commenter.
[0:27:00 – 0:27:00] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[0:27:01 – 0:27:02] Erik: Long time commenter.
[0:27:02 – 0:27:03] Erik: First time listener.
[0:27:03 – 0:27:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:27:03 – 0:27:04] Adam: Never listened.
[0:27:04 – 0:27:05] Adam: Never listened before.
[0:27:05 – 0:27:06] Adam: What are you guys all about?
[0:27:07 – 0:27:07] Erik: Who knows?
[0:27:08 – 0:27:13] Erik: I haven’t paddled a river up there either, but the section of Konnipi that dumps towards Cuddy and Sark.
[0:27:15 – 0:27:17] Erik: I don’t have the map in front of me as I type this, but those two are
[0:27:17 – 0:27:20] Erik: Definitely two of the lakes below Condonby Falls.
[0:27:21 – 0:27:25] Erik: Also, was the whiskey named after the lakes or vice versa or something else entirely?
[0:27:26 – 0:27:28] Erik: It’s pretty nice, has a flow, and looks like a river.
[0:27:29 – 0:27:31] Erik: We also caught some really nice northern there on crankbaits.
[0:27:32 – 0:27:32] Adam: Heck yeah.
[0:27:34 – 0:27:53] Erik: uh i don’t know that cuddy sark was named after the two lakes i think those probably came the lakes were named after the whiskey yeah for sure and that section of water in between there definitely feels like a river actually the whiskey was probably named after something else and then the lakes were named after the whiskey
[0:27:54 – 0:27:54] Erik: Yeah.
[0:27:54 – 0:27:55] Erik: Isn’t a Cuddy.
[0:27:55 – 0:28:01] Erik: We talked about this on the, um, I’ve got all these new great memories of like going back and relistening.
[0:28:01 – 0:28:06] Erik: Uh, we talked about this in the boat show episode where we had the Akavit and we were trying to determine what a Cuddy was.
[0:28:06 – 0:28:07] Adam: A Cuddy was the kind of boat.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:09] Adam: It’s a large sailing vessel.
[0:28:09 – 0:28:10] Adam: So definitely.
[0:28:11 – 0:28:18] Erik: Uh, but that also brought to mind the little tiny section out of Cuddy to the West.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:19] Erik: Um,
[0:28:22 – 0:28:28] Erik: A short, shortened, small, or curtailed tobacco pipe.
[0:28:29 – 0:28:29] Erik: Clay pipes.
[0:28:31 – 0:28:35] Erik: The Cuddy Creek is actually like very pretty, but it’s only like…
[0:28:35 – 0:28:35] Erik: It’s short.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:39] Erik: It’s like literally like four boat lengths long.
[0:28:40 – 0:28:40] Erik: Um…
[0:28:41 – 0:28:54] Erik: But yeah, the sections coming up from like Kasha Peewee and up into like Cairn before you get to the Hava Smoke Portage, there’s some really narrow little sections in there that have like kind of a river feel to it.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:28:57 – 0:29:03] Erik: But yeah, unfortunately, the Cutty Sark that you can go and visit in King William Walk, London is currently closed, so…
[0:29:04 – 0:29:05] Adam: It’s probably never going to reopen.
[0:29:05 – 0:29:06] Adam: Don’t get to do that.
[0:29:06 – 0:29:07] Adam: Sorry.
[0:29:08 – 0:29:09] Erik: Derives its name from the ship.
[0:29:10 – 0:29:11] Erik: Just learned that as well.
[0:29:11 – 0:29:11] Erik: It’s a type of ship.
[0:29:11 – 0:29:15] Erik: There’s a whole bunch of information coming at you in a very jumbled way.
[0:29:21 – 0:29:23] Adam: GDH Epcats.
[0:29:24 – 0:29:24] Adam: One point.
[0:29:25 – 0:29:28] Erik: You’re not sure it’s goddamn Hepcats?
[0:29:28 – 0:29:37] Adam: A kawishui loop was my first trip in the BWCA and is forever ingrained in my entire existence.
[0:29:37 – 0:29:37] Adam: Nice.
[0:29:38 – 0:29:38] Adam: That’s what I’m talking about.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:39] Adam: I like that.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:40] Adam: GDH, Hepcats.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:43] Adam: Bullseye for you.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:44] Adam: Yes.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:45] Adam: And a blue ribbon.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:48] Erik: GD Hepcats and a participation award.
[0:29:48 – 0:29:49] Adam: Give an extra upvote on that one.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:50] Erik: All right.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:51] Adam: Yeah, they get my upvote.
[0:29:51 – 0:29:55] Erik: All these one points out there, it feels like her upvotes are making a difference today.
[0:29:55 – 0:29:55] Erik: It is.
[0:29:55 – 0:29:57] Erik: Well, you know, post-haste.
[0:29:57 – 0:29:59] Erik: At the end of the day, isn’t that what it’s all about?
[0:30:00 – 0:30:01] Erik: Absolutely, I think.
[0:30:03 – 0:30:06] Erik: Oh, this one is not one I am familiar with.
[0:30:06 – 0:30:12] Erik: I need to look into where exactly this is, but it looks like union underscore thug underscore.
[0:30:12 – 0:30:14] Adam: I’m writing this one down for sure.
[0:30:15 – 0:30:19] Erik: I like the usage of the extra underscore afterwards.
[0:30:20 – 0:30:23] Adam: Yeah, that’d be one way to get just plain tumble home.
[0:30:23 – 0:30:25] Adam: Just add an underscore?
[0:30:25 – 0:30:28] Adam: Yeah, just an invisible underscore in a white text.
[0:30:29 – 0:30:30] Erik: Papoose Creek.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:35] Erik: Narrow, deep, calm, with few beaver dams.
[0:30:35 – 0:30:36] Erik: It’s ideal.
[0:30:36 – 0:30:37] Erik: Sounds ideal.
[0:30:37 – 0:30:45] Erik: My trip mate and I traveled from Crooked to Wagosh and stayed the night at the only camp on Wagosh.
[0:30:45 – 0:30:46] Erik: Wagosh?
[0:30:47 – 0:30:50] Erik: Late in the evening, my mate realized he had lost his camera.
[0:30:50 – 0:30:54] Erik: Last place he knew he’d had it was on the first portage out of Crooked.
[0:30:55 – 0:31:01] Erik: We awoke early the next day and paddled back up to the Crooked portage, then immediately returned to Wagosh.
[0:31:01 – 0:31:02] Erik: Wagosh?
[0:31:03 – 0:31:08] Erik: The Papoose Creek was a pleasant paddle in both directions, even the third time in two days.
[0:31:08 – 0:31:09] Erik: Wagosh.
[0:31:10 – 0:31:11] Erik: Down there by Ritual.
[0:31:12 – 0:31:12] Erik: You got it?
[0:31:12 – 0:31:13] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:13 – 0:31:14] Adam: The Papoose.
[0:31:14 – 0:31:15] Adam: Off of Friday Bay.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:17] Erik: That’s a connoisseur’s creek there.
[0:31:17 – 0:31:18] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:18 – 0:31:18] Adam: Nice.
[0:31:19 – 0:31:19] Adam: Love it.
[0:31:19 – 0:31:19] Adam: Thank you.
[0:31:19 – 0:31:21] Adam: Thank you, Union Thug.
[0:31:21 – 0:31:22] Adam: I’ll file that one away.
[0:31:22 – 0:31:24] Erik: That one’s going in the back pocket.
[0:31:26 – 0:31:26] Adam: Goes to bed, Abby.
[0:31:27 – 0:31:28] Adam: Friend of the show, one point.
[0:31:29 – 0:31:32] Adam: I would have to say the Basswood River due to the falls.
[0:31:32 – 0:31:36] Adam: Have fished upper Basswood Falls and have camped at lower Basswood Falls.
[0:31:37 – 0:31:38] Adam: Powerful falls.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:39] Erik: I like that.
[0:31:39 – 0:31:39] Erik: Just one day.
[0:31:40 – 0:31:40] Erik: I do.
[0:31:40 – 0:31:40] Erik: Powerful falls.
[0:31:40 – 0:31:43] Adam: I hope I gave it the proper amount of timing.
[0:31:43 – 0:31:43] Adam: That was nice.
[0:31:43 – 0:31:47] Adam: Can also imagine the voyagers tromping through the area.
[0:31:47 – 0:31:53] Adam: Great bonus points for being part of our crooked trip, which is the same drainage and was awesome.
[0:31:53 – 0:31:55] Adam: Haven’t done too many rivers.
[0:31:55 – 0:31:57] Adam: Other rivers we paddled for context.
[0:31:58 – 0:32:01] Adam: Horse, although we were just pushing through, I would go back.
[0:32:01 – 0:32:06] Adam: The Kowishui Triangle, I like this area, but most of it doesn’t feel like a river to me.
[0:32:06 – 0:32:09] Adam: Could say the same about a lot of the Basswood River, too.
[0:32:10 – 0:32:10] Adam: Hog Creek.
[0:32:11 – 0:32:11] Adam: Oh, Hog Creek.
[0:32:11 – 0:32:12] Erik: Does this count?
[0:32:12 – 0:32:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:13 – 0:32:13] Adam: It does.
[0:32:14 – 0:32:15] Adam: Water trail into Parent.
[0:32:16 – 0:32:16] Adam: Fun paddle.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:20] Adam: Haven’t done it yet, but the Granite River is high on my to-do list.
[0:32:21 – 0:32:24] Adam: If you’ve listened to episode 097, you know the answer to that now.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:29] Erik: You should skyrocket that to the top of your list if it’s not already, well, it sounds like it’s high.
[0:32:29 – 0:32:31] Adam: Hog Creek definitely counts.
[0:32:31 – 0:32:32] Erik: Hog Creek?
[0:32:32 – 0:32:33] Erik: You can see the episode on Hog Creek.
[0:32:33 – 0:32:34] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:34 – 0:32:34] Erik: That one.
[0:32:34 – 0:32:41] Erik: Me and the nude wife getting bothered by U.S. Forest Service is canoeing right in front of camp.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:43] Adam: There ain’t no law against nudity, Eric.
[0:32:44 – 0:32:45] Adam: I think there is.
[0:32:45 – 0:32:46] Adam: Well, there shouldn’t be.
[0:32:47 – 0:32:47] Adam: What are we living in?
[0:32:48 – 0:32:49] Adam: Communist China?
[0:32:50 – 0:32:50] Erik: Wow.
[0:32:50 – 0:32:52] Erik: No, we’re not, but there are still rules.
[0:32:54 – 0:32:54] Erik: But not in the park.
[0:32:57 – 0:33:01] Adam: Yeah, as far as I know, there’s no actual boundary waters rules against nudity.
[0:33:01 – 0:33:08] Erik: Yeah, I would be interested to see if a case ever went to court over nudity.
[0:33:09 – 0:33:09] Erik: I guarantee it hasn’t.
[0:33:10 – 0:33:11] Erik: Indecent exposure laws.
[0:33:11 – 0:33:13] Adam: I’ve never been prosecuted for nudity.
[0:33:13 – 0:33:25] Erik: Okay, well, anybody that has experience with being arrested and charged with being a streaker or exposing themselves in the wilderness at all, how did it turn out?
[0:33:25 – 0:33:25] Erik: How’d you do?
[0:33:27 – 0:33:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:27 – 0:33:28] Erik: Let’s get a precedent going here.
[0:33:29 – 0:33:34] Erik: Yeah, the lower Basswood Falls, that whole Basswood stretch through there, like, didn’t really…
[0:33:35 – 0:33:40] Erik: I didn’t even know if it even really registered with me when I was thinking of it, but that’s definitely like a river through there.
[0:33:41 – 0:33:43] Erik: That’s some thick moving water through there.
[0:33:43 – 0:33:45] Adam: That’s serious like canoe country river style.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:49] Adam: Yeah, that’s Sig Olsen’s Wilderness Waterways like footage.
[0:33:50 – 0:33:50] Adam: Absolutely.
[0:33:51 – 0:33:53] Adam: That’s the southern part of the Hunter Island Loop.
[0:33:53 – 0:33:54] Erik: Wheelbarrow.
[0:33:56 – 0:33:57] Adam: Love it.
[0:33:58 – 0:34:01] Erik: Yeah, the Hog Creek is a fun paddle.
[0:34:02 – 0:34:02] Erik: Super easy.
[0:34:04 – 0:34:07] Erik: I think if you’ve listened to that episode, you know our thoughts on that one.
[0:34:07 – 0:34:13] Erik: But it is one of those areas where you can kind of get away with bringing in a little bit of the excess.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:15] Adam: If you don’t know, HOG is actually an acronym.
[0:34:16 – 0:34:17] Adam: You can use your imagination.
[0:34:17 – 0:34:19] Erik: It’s French for…
[0:34:20 – 0:34:22] Adam: Hold on to your genitals.
[0:34:23 – 0:34:24] SPEAKER_02: Wow.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:31] Erik: Yeah, so Hog Creek, but that also kind of brings to mind the Larch Creek, which is maybe a…
[0:34:31 – 0:34:32] Adam: Right, part of the granite system.
[0:34:32 – 0:34:33] Erik: Kind of an honorable mention.
[0:34:33 – 0:34:36] Adam: I’m glad that we got a shout out to Larch again.
[0:34:36 – 0:34:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:37 – 0:34:39] Erik: Unfortunately, the beginning of that, I don’t know.
[0:34:39 – 0:34:40] Erik: I loved it.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:41] Erik: It seems like a weird start right next to that.
[0:34:41 – 0:34:42] Adam: I don’t mind that.
[0:34:42 – 0:34:43] Adam: I love the smaller the better.
[0:34:43 – 0:34:46] Adam: If you can get the canoe through, it makes it all the more enjoyable.
[0:34:46 – 0:34:50] Erik: I’m mostly talking about the little like ranger station that’s there.
[0:34:50 – 0:34:50] Erik: I don’t care.
[0:34:50 – 0:34:56] Erik: With a bunch of like college-aged like Forest Service hopefuls sitting and playing volleyball all day.
[0:34:56 – 0:34:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:57 – 0:34:57] SPEAKER_02: What do they do there?
[0:34:58 – 0:34:59] Erik: Why are they there?
[0:35:00 – 0:35:02] Adam: You know, beach volleyball.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:04] Adam: They’re just there beach volleyballing.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:06] Adam: Listening to Cisco on their boombox.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:08] Adam: The thong song.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:10] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:12] Erik: Not the food company.
[0:35:12 – 0:35:12] Adam: No.
[0:35:13 – 0:35:13] Adam: Hell no.
[0:35:14 – 0:35:14] Adam: No.
[0:35:14 – 0:35:14] Adam: Okay.
[0:35:15 – 0:35:16] Adam: Cisco from St. Louis.
[0:35:16 – 0:35:17] Adam: Get it together.
[0:35:17 – 0:35:17] Erik: All right.
[0:35:18 – 0:35:19] Erik: All right.
[0:35:19 – 0:35:20] Adam: On another river.
[0:35:20 – 0:35:21] Adam: You know where St. Louis is.
[0:35:21 – 0:35:27] Adam: Is that the mouth of the Mississippi and the Missouri, which should be the Missouri and the Mississippi.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:27] Erik: Yep.
[0:35:29 – 0:35:29] Adam: River time.
[0:35:31 – 0:35:32] Erik: Do you want the big one or the short one?
[0:35:33 – 0:35:34] Adam: I’ll take the short one and leave the big.
[0:35:34 – 0:35:36] Adam: Is that the big one, the last one?
[0:35:36 – 0:35:38] Erik: The big one, the last one, yeah.
[0:35:38 – 0:35:41] Adam: Merry Wanderer, nine, five, one point.
[0:35:44 – 0:35:44] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:35:44 – 0:35:45] Erik: What is this?
[0:35:46 – 0:35:46] Erik: Jeez.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:51] Erik: It’s like the neighbor’s got a project going.
[0:35:52 – 0:35:54] Adam: Merry Wanderer 95.
[0:35:54 – 0:35:58] Adam: Little Indian Sioux simply because it’s the next route on the agenda.
[0:35:58 – 0:35:59] Adam: Hey.
[0:35:59 – 0:36:00] Adam: That’s more of a goal then.
[0:36:00 – 0:36:01] Adam: I like that though.
[0:36:01 – 0:36:03] Adam: We just got permits for July.
[0:36:03 – 0:36:04] Erik: Happy paddling.
[0:36:04 – 0:36:05] Erik: Happy paddling.
[0:36:05 – 0:36:06] Erik: Merry Wanderer.
[0:36:06 – 0:36:07] Adam: Yeah, you get a party horn for that.
[0:36:10 – 0:36:13] Adam: That was almost a party alarm or maybe a party siren.
[0:36:14 – 0:36:17] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[0:36:18 – 0:36:20] Adam: Yeah, I want in on this one.
[0:36:21 – 0:36:24] Adam: Maybe we can incorporate this into a future loop.
[0:36:25 – 0:36:27] Erik: Little Indian Sioux has been mentioned a number of times.
[0:36:28 – 0:36:30] Adam: It was not in my goals, but it could be.
[0:36:30 – 0:36:31] Erik: The jury is out.
[0:36:31 – 0:36:31] Adam: It sure could be.
[0:36:32 – 0:36:32] Erik: On whether or not.
[0:36:33 – 0:36:33] Adam: All right.
[0:36:33 – 0:36:34] Adam: Hit me with that last one, Eric.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:35] Adam: I got to hear it.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:38] Adam: Oh, there’s crazy birds.
[0:36:39 – 0:36:39] Adam: What a day.
[0:36:39 – 0:36:40] Adam: What a day.
[0:36:41 – 0:36:42] Erik: Birds, neighbors driving by.
[0:36:42 – 0:36:44] Erik: The Coop Man was here.
[0:36:44 – 0:36:47] Adam: Coop Man came by last week and now there’s a yellow lab.
[0:36:47 – 0:36:54] Adam: Maybe it was the Coop Man is a shapeshifter of sorts between a bearded man and a yellow lab.
[0:36:54 – 0:36:54] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:36:55 – 0:36:59] Erik: If the Coop Man were to turn into any kind of an animal, that lab is definitely not it.
[0:36:59 – 0:37:01] Adam: I wouldn’t picture it, but he could be deceiving us.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:04] Adam: He could be a trickster Coop Man.
[0:37:04 – 0:37:05] Erik: You can come in if you want.
[0:37:06 – 0:37:10] Erik: What kind of an animal do you think the Coop Man would turn into if he was a shapeshifter?
[0:37:11 – 0:37:11] Adam: A fisher.
[0:37:12 – 0:37:13] Adam: A fisher for sure.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:14] Erik: A ground slinker.
[0:37:15 – 0:37:16] Adam: There’s more of a tree.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:17] Adam: There’s more of a tree boy.
[0:37:17 – 0:37:18] Erik: Fishers are tree boys?
[0:37:18 – 0:37:19] Adam: Oh, fishers can jump.
[0:37:20 – 0:37:20] Adam: Really?
[0:37:20 – 0:37:21] Adam: Like 12 feet.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:22] Erik: No.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:23] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:37:23 – 0:37:23] Adam: I’ve seen it.
[0:37:23 – 0:37:25] Erik: They’re the boreal kangaroo.
[0:37:25 – 0:37:29] Adam: They’re pretty much like, they can climb a tree like a cat.
[0:37:29 – 0:37:32] Adam: They can also take down game on the ground like a black bear.
[0:37:32 – 0:37:33] Erik: They’re the best of both worlds.
[0:37:33 – 0:37:35] Erik: You’re conflating so many things right now.
[0:37:35 – 0:37:35] Erik: I’m not.
[0:37:35 – 0:37:36] Erik: That’s a fisher.
[0:37:36 – 0:37:39] Erik: So fishers can climb but also jump 12 feet?
[0:37:39 – 0:37:40] Erik: Yes.
[0:37:40 – 0:37:41] Erik: Straight up or forward?
[0:37:41 – 0:37:42] Adam: Straight up.
[0:37:42 – 0:37:43] Erik: Okay.
[0:37:43 – 0:37:46] Erik: I’m going to go ahead and call you out on that one.
[0:37:46 – 0:37:53] Erik: Somebody who’s a fisher expert or just a general ground mammal, a badger.
[0:37:54 – 0:37:59] Erik: I would even take the face you’re making right now.
[0:37:59 – 0:38:00] Erik: Don’t mention badger.
[0:38:00 – 0:38:02] Erik: It’s distracting me if you can’t tell.
[0:38:02 – 0:38:15] Erik: let’s bust it let’s bust this up and get to that last comment bird dogging it thank you bird dogging it with the last remember when printing printing used to always be the last comment yeah what happened to printing printing where’s rojo rider been
[0:38:16 – 0:38:16] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:38:16 – 0:38:17] Erik: Rojo Ryder, reach out.
[0:38:17 – 0:38:19] Erik: Are you doing okay?
[0:38:19 – 0:38:21] Erik: Oh, maybe it was Rojo Ryder who’s been up to con nippy.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:28] Adam: Definitely Rojo Ryder was the false chain, you know, has the false chain stamp of approval on there.
[0:38:29 – 0:38:31] Erik: Disregard the previous comment, Hopalicious.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:31] Erik: I’m sorry.
[0:38:32 – 0:38:33] Adam: We don’t know what happened to Rojo.
[0:38:33 – 0:38:36] Adam: I haven’t heard from our good friend Rojo in a while.
[0:38:36 – 0:38:37] Adam: Possibly quit Reddit.
[0:38:37 – 0:38:38] Erik: Yeah, that’s fine.
[0:38:39 – 0:38:40] Erik: Yeah, that is very unfortunate.
[0:38:40 – 0:38:43] Adam: So hit us up on Facebook, the cool new social media.
[0:38:43 – 0:38:45] Erik: Everybody’s getting back on Facebook.
[0:38:45 – 0:38:47] Erik: Everybody’s getting a flip phone.
[0:38:47 – 0:38:48] Adam: It’s a real contrarian move.
[0:38:49 – 0:38:52] Erik: Yeah, Facebook is going to soon become the hipsters platform.
[0:38:54 – 0:38:54] Adam: Oh, good Lord.
[0:38:54 – 0:38:56] Erik: All right, Bird Dog, I’m going to thank you.
[0:38:56 – 0:39:04] Erik: Although you generally have to cross the border to experience the real fun rivers, I’ll throw out Oyster River for consideration.
[0:39:04 – 0:39:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:05 – 0:39:06] Erik: Due to some intangibles.
[0:39:06 – 0:39:07] Erik: Ooh.
[0:39:07 – 0:39:08] Erik: Did he listen to part one?
[0:39:08 – 0:39:10] Erik: He knows all about the intangibles.
[0:39:11 – 0:39:20] Erik: Heading south from Rocky Lake, you can camp on the first site you hit, which is located on the skinny section of the peninsula that juts out into Oyster Lake.
[0:39:21 – 0:39:26] Erik: This is a legitimate five-star site, and I don’t say that lightly.
[0:39:27 – 0:39:39] Erik: From there, you continue south to the portage from Oyster Lake to Oyster River, where you’re met with an amazing stand of old-growth pines that make you feel like you’re portaging through time.
[0:39:39 – 0:39:40] Adam: I love it.
[0:39:40 – 0:39:41] Erik: That’s great.
[0:39:42 – 0:39:43] Erik: We’re only halfway through.
[0:39:44 – 0:39:44] Erik: Hang on to your…
[0:39:45 – 0:40:02] Erik: pants at the end of the portage you’re met by a babbling brook that spills out into a narnia like setting and creates the oyster river i put quotes around river because it’s more of a meandering creek but it still has some beautiful qualities it’s listed as a river
[0:40:03 – 0:40:26] Erik: called a river skip the portages into agnes and check out a legitimate four foot tall beaver dam and continue to pull over several smaller dams and then navigate through the marsh as oyster disappears as it approaches the ninamoose river keep in mind the bs that comes with this section is part of the fun
[0:40:26 – 0:40:27] Adam: That’s exactly true.
[0:40:27 – 0:40:29] Adam: I haven’t been there, but I know exactly what you’re talking about.
[0:40:29 – 0:40:30] Adam: Yep.
[0:40:30 – 0:40:30] Erik: I love it.
[0:40:30 – 0:40:31] Erik: I don’t.
[0:40:32 – 0:40:33] Adam: I like that rivers are tough.
[0:40:33 – 0:40:34] Adam: Yeah.
[0:40:34 – 0:40:35] Adam: And a little messy.
[0:40:35 – 0:40:36] Adam: You know, it’s one of those things.
[0:40:36 – 0:40:38] Adam: It’s a totally different style.
[0:40:38 – 0:40:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:38 – 0:40:42] Erik: You want to go up and paddle the big Arctic rivers where it’s just a float.
[0:40:42 – 0:40:42] Adam: Yeah.
[0:40:43 – 0:40:44] Erik: You go ahead and do so.
[0:40:44 – 0:40:44] Adam: Those are fun.
[0:40:45 – 0:40:45] Adam: Those are awesome.
[0:40:45 – 0:40:46] Adam: Those are fine.
[0:40:46 – 0:40:47] Adam: Float and camp, float and camp.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:49] Adam: Boundary Waters rivers are different.
[0:40:49 – 0:40:50] Erik: They take a little bit more.
[0:40:50 – 0:40:57] Erik: And if you can learn to love the Beaver Dam, which you will inevitably be forced to.
[0:40:57 – 0:40:59] Adam: You will or you will.
[0:40:59 – 0:41:00] Erik: It’s a part of it.
[0:41:00 – 0:41:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:00 – 0:41:02] Erik: And they actually do kind of get to be a little bit fun.
[0:41:02 – 0:41:05] Erik: You find like, all right, we’re going to power into this thing.
[0:41:05 – 0:41:06] Erik: Where do you want to get that notch?
[0:41:06 – 0:41:11] Adam: The differences between the kinds of dams, just the appreciation for how they’ve been built.
[0:41:11 – 0:41:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:12 – 0:41:12] Adam: Very sturdy.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:14] Adam: It’s amazing.
[0:41:14 – 0:41:15] Adam: It’s absolutely amazing what they can do.
[0:41:16 – 0:41:18] Adam: I can’t say enough about Lake Astor.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:21] Erik: You get to experience the beavers up close and personal.
[0:41:21 – 0:41:23] Erik: And yeah, it’s kind of like another beaver dam.
[0:41:23 – 0:41:24] Erik: But if you can flip that.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:25] Adam: Another beaver dam.
[0:41:25 – 0:41:26] Adam: Another beaver dam.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:27] Adam: Heck yeah, Eric.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:28] Adam: Let’s hit it.
[0:41:28 – 0:41:29] Erik: Heck yeah.
[0:41:30 – 0:41:30] Adam: Power in.
[0:41:30 – 0:41:32] Erik: And you get so good at it.
[0:41:32 – 0:41:39] Erik: I love the aspect of kind of climbing in and staying balanced for that person climbing up to the front of the canoe.
[0:41:40 – 0:41:42] Erik: There’s just, I don’t know, something a little bit more.
[0:41:42 – 0:41:44] Adam: It’s a real ballet about it.
[0:41:44 – 0:42:10] Adam: it sure beats the heck out of actually portaging yeah what do you want to actually portage more of a slither than a portage yeah it’s a little it’s a little mud slither all right that about does it for digital reddit digital reddit thank you for your responses uh we gave a lot of upvotes out and uh we appreciate your insights on the rivers and what makes you guys think that rivers are worth visiting
[0:42:10 – 0:42:16] Erik: We gave a lot of upvotes out, but you’ll be able to tell who we didn’t give upvotes to.
[0:42:16 – 0:42:16] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[0:42:18 – 0:42:20] Erik: You got to write more like Bird Dog in it.
[0:42:20 – 0:42:21] Erik: He’s putting the work in.
[0:42:22 – 0:42:23] Erik: Or she.
[0:42:24 – 0:42:27] Adam: Our good friend Bird Dog in it knows what’s up.
[0:42:27 – 0:42:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:28] Adam: All right.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:33] Adam: Let’s take a break, and then we’ll come back with our honorable mentions and river goals.
[0:42:33 – 0:42:34] Erik: River goals.
[0:42:37 – 0:42:37] Adam: All right.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:39] Adam: Honorable mentions?
[0:42:40 – 0:42:41] Adam: Honorable.
[0:42:42 – 0:42:44] Adam: Well, if it’s in the U.S., that’s honorable.
[0:42:44 – 0:42:47] Adam: And then if it’s a critical river, it’s honorable.
[0:42:47 – 0:43:08] Adam: honorable uh i don’t have mine split up into two sections wow i will not spend that much time but i would like to start with my honorable mentions wisconsin you’re gonna rank your honorable mentions top five honorable mentions all right strap on in number one honorable mention wisconsin the namakagan
[0:43:09 – 0:43:09] Erik: Oh, gosh.
[0:43:10 – 0:43:10] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:11 – 0:43:12] Adam: Slash St. Croix.
[0:43:12 – 0:43:13] Erik: Yes.
[0:43:13 – 0:43:16] Adam: And it’s part of the St. Croix National Scenic Riverway.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:16] Adam: Yep.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:22] Adam: If you really want to float like we just discussed, the old float camp, float camp, float camp, fish, fish, fish.
[0:43:22 – 0:43:22] Erik: Yep.
[0:43:23 – 0:43:25] Adam: Go do the Namakagan St. Croix.
[0:43:25 – 0:43:26] Adam: It’s amazing.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:32] Adam: Somebody on Facebook this morning had made a comment, you know, hey, can you guess where this is?
[0:43:32 – 0:43:35] Adam: And I immediately recognized it as a site on the Namakagan River.
[0:43:36 – 0:43:37] Adam: It’s a beautiful place to go camp.
[0:43:38 – 0:43:40] Adam: You will in the summer see a lot of tubers.
[0:43:41 – 0:43:41] Erik: Really?
[0:43:41 – 0:43:42] Erik: People tube it?
[0:43:42 – 0:43:43] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:43:43 – 0:43:45] Adam: There’s a lot of this tuber slash just like day use.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:47] Erik: Tubing with like a floating cooler.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:48] Adam: Yes.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:52] Adam: It’s a lot of that party river floaty stuff you’ll get in the summertime.
[0:43:52 – 0:43:56] Adam: But if you go in the fall or the early season, it’s pretty quiet.
[0:43:57 – 0:44:03] Adam: There’s always a, you know, Highway 63 or 77 is always pretty close depending on what section you’re on.
[0:44:03 – 0:44:04] Adam: 35 on the lower stuff.
[0:44:06 – 0:44:14] Adam: So you can hear a highway often, but there are large sections where you go a long time without seeing the road or a bridge, which is cool.
[0:44:14 – 0:44:16] Adam: And a lot of campsites, and it’s free.
[0:44:17 – 0:44:18] Adam: No real permits necessary.
[0:44:18 – 0:44:19] Adam: You can basically do whatever you want.
[0:44:20 – 0:44:22] Erik: So are the campsites first come, first served?
[0:44:22 – 0:44:23] Adam: You can drink beer out of a can.
[0:44:24 – 0:44:25] Erik: You’ve researched that you can be nude?
[0:44:26 – 0:44:26] Adam: Absolutely, yeah.
[0:44:27 – 0:44:28] Adam: It’s the National Scenic Riverway.
[0:44:29 – 0:44:30] Adam: And that’s why?
[0:44:30 – 0:44:33] Adam: The scenery of these buns is very natural.
[0:44:34 – 0:44:40] Adam: So anyways, a lot of great… You can catch all five species of native red horse there.
[0:44:40 – 0:44:45] Adam: You can basically catch anything that’s in the entire Mississippi system that you’ll find up in that St. Croix system.
[0:44:46 – 0:44:49] Erik: So the campsites, you just pull up, first come, first serve, though?
[0:44:49 – 0:44:51] Adam: Yeah, oh yeah.
[0:44:51 – 0:44:53] Adam: And, you know, maps are available for free.
[0:44:53 – 0:44:56] Adam: They list them by mileage on the river, so you can kind of keep track as you go.
[0:44:56 – 0:44:58] Adam: And there’s signage for each campsite.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:00] Adam: A lot of different landings.
[0:45:00 – 0:45:04] Adam: There’s shuttle services available so you can put in.
[0:45:04 – 0:45:08] Adam: Somebody will come get your car and push it down to the… Push it.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:11] Adam: Push it down the river and then you’ll find it down at the landing of your choice.
[0:45:13 – 0:45:16] Adam: Like I said, a lot of time to just stop and worm fish.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:17] Adam: You never know what you’re going to catch.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:19] Adam: A lot of sand.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:21] Adam: Beautiful stuff.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:23] Adam: It has to be an honorable mention.
[0:45:24 – 0:45:26] Adam: I wish I could do a trip there every year.
[0:45:26 – 0:45:29] Adam: I have friends that do a trip there right around Labor Day.
[0:45:30 – 0:45:32] Adam: And I’m always a little upset when I can’t make it.
[0:45:33 – 0:45:34] Adam: And it’s been happening more and more.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:36] Adam: It’s just the way it goes.
[0:45:37 – 0:45:38] Erik: You not making it?
[0:45:38 – 0:45:39] Adam: Yeah.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:42] Adam: They’re probably on year 12 or 13, and that is an annual trip.
[0:45:42 – 0:45:45] Adam: And I’ve certainly only made maybe half of those.
[0:45:47 – 0:45:59] Adam: Um, but you know, I feel like that’s just the, I’ve been there in years too, where the water, like they get a ton of rain and then it’s just flooded out and you can’t really fish it and you’re barely getting under the bridges and it’s a little dangerous.
[0:45:59 – 0:46:08] Adam: I’ve been there years where the bugs are just intolerable, but for the most part, the campsites are really nice and it’s pretty just easy floating and fishing kind of trip.
[0:46:08 – 0:46:13] Erik: So if you were to start a podcast about the, this river, yeah.
[0:46:13 – 0:46:14] Erik: What would you call it?
[0:46:15 – 0:46:16] Adam: Red horsemasse.
[0:46:17 – 0:46:17] Adam: Red horsemas?
[0:46:17 – 0:46:19] Adam: That’s what we always call it.
[0:46:19 – 0:46:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:20 – 0:46:21] Adam: We always call it red horsemas.
[0:46:21 – 0:46:25] Adam: No matter what time of year you’re on the river, it’s like Christmas but with red horse as Santa.
[0:46:25 – 0:46:26] Adam: And I wear a little hat.
[0:46:27 – 0:46:28] Adam: And then you try and catch.
[0:46:28 – 0:46:33] Adam: You have like a little guide because there’s subtle differences between the five different versions of red horse.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:36] Adam: And you can get them all and often will.
[0:46:37 – 0:46:38] Erik: And what happens when you do get them all?
[0:46:38 – 0:46:40] Adam: Then you pop the champagne.
[0:46:40 – 0:46:41] Adam: You bring a bottle of champagne.
[0:46:41 – 0:46:45] Adam: And once you get that river red horse, which is inevitably the last one you’ll get,
[0:46:46 – 0:46:47] Adam: the Greater River Red Horse.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:52] Adam: Then you pop that champagne, you pull over immediately, and you’re already pulled over because you’re fishing.
[0:46:52 – 0:46:59] Erik: And I was fortunate enough to get to experience this crew at the Tiberius and Raul Classic.
[0:46:59 – 0:47:00] Adam: Same crew, yeah.
[0:47:00 – 0:47:08] Adam: This is the ice fishing, this is the Tiberius and Raul, and then the open water version of this trip is up on the Namakagan, the Red Horsemas trip.
[0:47:08 – 0:47:13] Erik: I remember there was a bottle of champagne out on the ice, and I was like, whoa, we drinking champagne later?
[0:47:13 – 0:47:15] Erik: And they’re like, no, no, no.
[0:47:15 – 0:47:20] Erik: There’s highly specific parameters for when this champagne gets popped.
[0:47:20 – 0:47:24] Erik: And if those parameters aren’t met, champagne doesn’t get popped.
[0:47:24 – 0:47:29] Adam: The only parameter to cracking this canoe is that we’re now in our three of podcasting.
[0:47:29 – 0:47:32] Erik: The only parameter is that you have a thumb and a mouth.
[0:47:32 – 0:47:35] Adam: And I’m still thirsty, so the parameters have been met.
[0:47:35 – 0:47:37] Adam: But this is not the case on Red Horsemasse.
[0:47:38 – 0:47:47] Adam: There’s like a hognose sucker, white sucker, smallmouth bass, muskie, pike, walleye, a couple different kinds of cats.
[0:47:48 – 0:47:49] Adam: There’s been sturgeon caught.
[0:47:49 – 0:47:52] Adam: Many sturgeon have been caught and sighted.
[0:47:52 – 0:47:56] Adam: Very exciting to float over the top of a monstrous old sturgeon.
[0:47:57 – 0:48:04] Adam: You know, I don’t like seeing crazy things beneath my canoe, but when you see a sturgeon down there, it’s breathtaking.
[0:48:05 – 0:48:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:06 – 0:48:11] Adam: So top of my honorable mentions for Wisconsin, the Namakagan River slash St. Croix.
[0:48:11 – 0:48:12] Adam: Check it out.
[0:48:12 – 0:48:15] Adam: It’s absolutely, if you love canoe camping, you will love this.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:16] Adam: It’s a great trip.
[0:48:16 – 0:48:20] Adam: Everybody who has a canoe and loves to camp should try this out.
[0:48:20 – 0:48:24] Adam: It’s only a mild four-hour drive from Grand Marais, Minnesota.
[0:48:24 – 0:48:29] Erik: It sounds amazing, and I’ve been so close to coming with you in the past.
[0:48:29 – 0:48:31] Erik: I would love to try to make it a thing that happens.
[0:48:31 – 0:48:33] Adam: I wonder if that trip is going to happen this fall.
[0:48:33 – 0:48:35] Adam: If it does, I would like to try and get there.
[0:48:35 – 0:48:36] Adam: Because it’s been a few years.
[0:48:36 – 0:48:42] Adam: The last time I went, actually, it was a flood year, and we had to kind of abandon early because we almost got scraped by a bridge.
[0:48:42 – 0:48:43] Erik: Oh, God.
[0:48:43 – 0:48:44] Adam: And then we had to hide in an outhouse.
[0:48:44 – 0:48:45] Adam: We almost got scalped by a bridge.
[0:48:45 – 0:48:50] Adam: The mosquitoes were so bad, we literally were hiding in an outhouse at the landing waiting for our pickup.
[0:48:50 – 0:48:50] Erik: Sheesh.
[0:48:51 – 0:48:54] Adam: Yeah, drinking in an outhouse because the mosquitoes are so bad?
[0:48:54 – 0:48:55] Adam: No bueno.
[0:48:56 – 0:48:57] Adam: But that’s the low light.
[0:48:57 – 0:49:02] Adam: If you hit it on its best day, the Namakanga River is straight up just a dream heaven.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:03] Erik: A dream heaven.
[0:49:03 – 0:49:04] Erik: Check it out.
[0:49:05 – 0:49:07] Adam: Absolutely.
[0:49:07 – 0:49:11] Erik: Would you say that the sturgeon is the bald eagle of the water?
[0:49:12 – 0:49:15] Adam: The canary sings, but the sturgeon flies.
[0:49:15 – 0:49:17] Erik: Okay, that makes no sense whatsoever.
[0:49:19 – 0:49:22] Erik: I’m looking for the bald eagle equivalent of a fish, essentially.
[0:49:24 – 0:49:25] Adam: I don’t think it’s a sturgeon.
[0:49:25 – 0:49:26] Erik: Is there a national fish?
[0:49:28 – 0:49:30] Erik: Because the bald eagle, obviously.
[0:49:30 – 0:49:32] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know if there is a national fish.
[0:49:32 – 0:49:33] Adam: I’m sure there is.
[0:49:33 – 0:49:35] Erik: There’s a largemouth bass, probably.
[0:49:35 – 0:49:36] Adam: It better not be a bass.
[0:49:36 – 0:49:38] Adam: I will be super pissed if it’s bass.
[0:49:38 – 0:49:38] Adam: I’m going to look it up.
[0:49:38 – 0:49:39] Erik: Big, fat, largemouth bass.
[0:49:40 – 0:49:45] Adam: Do you have an honorable mention you want to slang while I’m looking up the national fish?
[0:49:45 – 0:49:48] Adam: National fish?
[0:49:48 – 0:49:49] Adam: That should be our side podcast.
[0:49:49 – 0:49:50] Adam: It’s the lobster.
[0:49:50 – 0:49:50] Adam: National fish.
[0:49:51 – 0:49:52] Adam: If it’s lobster, then…
[0:49:53 – 0:49:54] Erik: Sure.
[0:49:54 – 0:49:57] Erik: The Stewart River, which was mentioned on Reddit.
[0:49:58 – 0:50:03] Erik: Hey, if you want to spend some time meandering, did you get an answer?
[0:50:03 – 0:50:05] Adam: I’m sorry to interrupt.
[0:50:05 – 0:50:06] Adam: This is a travesty.
[0:50:07 – 0:50:09] Adam: We need to call our Congress people.
[0:50:09 – 0:50:11] Adam: I’m so mad.
[0:50:11 – 0:50:12] Adam: You’ve got to be kidding me.
[0:50:12 – 0:50:13] Erik: No, we have a national fish.
[0:50:14 – 0:50:14] Erik: Boo!
[0:50:14 – 0:50:15] Erik: Is it a carp?
[0:50:15 – 0:50:17] Erik: Oh, I’m so pissed.
[0:50:17 – 0:50:17] Erik: Is it carp?
[0:50:18 – 0:50:19] Erik: It’s worse.
[0:50:19 – 0:50:20] Erik: No, it’s worse than carp?
[0:50:22 – 0:50:23] Erik: Oh, what?
[0:50:23 – 0:50:23] Erik: I’m puking.
[0:50:23 – 0:50:26] Adam: I’m literally puking over my microphone right now.
[0:50:26 – 0:50:27] Erik: Is it a flag thing?
[0:50:27 – 0:50:29] Adam: Let’s just not even say it.
[0:50:30 – 0:50:32] Erik: It’s a flag thing, right?
[0:50:32 – 0:50:33] Adam: I guess.
[0:50:33 – 0:50:34] Adam: Oh, my God.
[0:50:35 – 0:50:36] Adam: 2015, they passed a bill.
[0:50:36 – 0:50:38] Erik: Oh, this country is so dumb.
[0:50:38 – 0:50:44] Erik: They wasted their time on passing a bill to make that the national fish?
[0:50:45 – 0:50:48] Adam: Some smooth brain halfwit from New Jersey got a bill passed.
[0:50:48 – 0:50:48] Adam: Oh, my God.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:51] Adam: Making the striped bass.
[0:50:51 – 0:50:53] Adam: Oh, I can’t even believe you went ahead and mentioned it.
[0:50:53 – 0:50:56] Adam: The eagle of fish is the striped bass, Eric.
[0:50:56 – 0:50:56] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:50:56 – 0:50:58] Adam: We got the bottom of that one.
[0:50:58 – 0:50:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:50:59 – 0:51:00] Adam: I’m physically ill.
[0:51:01 – 0:51:03] Adam: I’m physically ill. We have to just push on.
[0:51:03 – 0:51:06] Erik: Borderline derailed the podcast.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:07] Adam: It’s okay.
[0:51:07 – 0:51:10] Adam: The striped bass is not found in any rivers, especially not the ones we’ve mentioned.
[0:51:10 – 0:51:12] Erik: I don’t recognize that as the national fish.
[0:51:12 – 0:51:13] Adam: I don’t either.
[0:51:13 – 0:51:14] Adam: I don’t think that’s right.
[0:51:14 – 0:51:16] Erik: No, it’s not right at all.
[0:51:16 – 0:51:17] Erik: It’s the worst thing ever.
[0:51:17 – 0:51:18] Erik: There’s no history.
[0:51:18 – 0:51:19] Erik: All right.
[0:51:19 – 0:51:19] Adam: Sorry.
[0:51:19 – 0:51:24] Erik: So the Stewart River, it’s like you can get into such a rhythm.
[0:51:24 – 0:51:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:26 – 0:51:31] Erik: It’s so methodically like back and forth.
[0:51:31 – 0:51:32] Erik: It’s long too.
[0:51:32 – 0:51:33] Erik: Like you’re in there for a while.
[0:51:33 – 0:51:33] Erik: I like that.
[0:51:33 – 0:51:39] Erik: Talk about like if you want a day on a river with actually very little portaging.
[0:51:39 – 0:51:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:42] Adam: What’s the water levels like in this one?
[0:51:42 – 0:51:43] Adam: Do you have to hit this early?
[0:51:43 – 0:51:44] Erik: It’s typically pretty good.
[0:51:44 – 0:51:46] Erik: No, actually, it’s very good.
[0:51:47 – 0:51:47] Adam: All right.
[0:51:47 – 0:51:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:51:47 – 0:51:51] Adam: It was definitely on the ones where I was looking at the map this morning and was like, what’s up with that one?
[0:51:51 – 0:51:52] Erik: It’s not a lake.
[0:51:52 – 0:51:54] Erik: You can’t get out late, though.
[0:51:55 – 0:51:59] Erik: You can’t drive up from the cities and put in on the Stewart River and make a quick run up to Stewart Lake.
[0:51:59 – 0:52:01] Adam: It’s like a four or five hour paddle.
[0:52:01 – 0:52:02] Adam: It’s an effort to get there.
[0:52:02 – 0:52:03] Erik: And there’s nothing in between.
[0:52:04 – 0:52:04] Erik: You’re going to just be betting.
[0:52:05 – 0:52:06] Erik: Well, that’s what makes it attractive.
[0:52:06 – 0:52:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:52:07 – 0:52:10] Erik: You’re betting down in the hummocks if you don’t make it to Stewart Lake.
[0:52:11 – 0:52:14] Adam: Do you have any out-of-state honorable mentions you’re going to give out?
[0:52:15 – 0:52:16] Adam: Out-of-state honorable mentions?
[0:52:17 – 0:52:19] Adam: I’m still dabbling in Wisconsin rivers here.
[0:52:19 – 0:52:21] Erik: I have to go out of the state?
[0:52:21 – 0:52:21] Adam: No, you don’t.
[0:52:21 – 0:52:22] Adam: I’m just saying, dude.
[0:52:23 – 0:52:26] Erik: I mean, yeah, sure, there’s rivers that come to mind, but…
[0:52:27 – 0:52:33] Adam: I have two more from Wisconsin that I’d like to shout out before I get into my real honorable mentions.
[0:52:33 – 0:52:34] Adam: Let me just get these out of the way.
[0:52:34 – 0:52:37] Erik: It’s insane that we were ever able to get a podcast in under an hour.
[0:52:37 – 0:52:41] Adam: These are not paddling, but these are extreme.
[0:52:41 – 0:52:45] Adam: If you’re looking at the metrics, these have extreme fishing success levels.
[0:52:45 – 0:52:46] Erik: Are these driftless rivers?
[0:52:46 – 0:52:50] Adam: One is, and one is the Sand Flats Central Wisconsin River.
[0:52:50 – 0:52:54] Adam: These are both ones when I was in my years of really getting into stream trout.
[0:52:54 – 0:52:56] Adam: These are my two favorite rivers from Wisconsin.
[0:52:57 – 0:53:01] Adam: So anybody that’s listened this far into the podcast will get this little nugget of information.
[0:53:03 – 0:53:04] Adam: If you’re anywhere near Lake Puckaway…
[0:53:06 – 0:53:11] Adam: Lake Puckaway itself is a great lake to fish, both on ice or trolling in a pontoon boat.
[0:53:11 – 0:53:12] Adam: State record pike.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:14] Adam: State record pike came out of there in 1952.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:15] Adam: Amazing.
[0:53:16 – 0:53:17] Adam: Part of the upper Fox system.
[0:53:18 – 0:53:20] Adam: I will not mention the Fox River.
[0:53:20 – 0:53:20] Adam: It’s a garbage dump.
[0:53:21 – 0:53:22] Adam: The mall is pretty nice, though.
[0:53:22 – 0:53:24] Adam: Yeah, it is a pretty nice mall.
[0:53:24 – 0:53:27] Adam: It goes pretty close to Lambeau Field, so those are nice things.
[0:53:28 – 0:53:30] Adam: We’re not going to discuss the Fox River any further.
[0:53:32 – 0:53:40] Adam: But near there, just to the north, and we always joked because our little shack on Lake Puckaway was technically in Mekan Township.
[0:53:41 – 0:53:46] Adam: And there’s a little river that flows into the Fox River called the Mekan River.
[0:53:46 – 0:53:56] Adam: And then further up the river is a place called the Mekan River Lodge and Saloon, which is a real gem if you want to play some bingo on Tuesday at 11 a.m. and drink.
[0:53:57 – 0:53:59] Adam: I’m sure there’s people there doing that right now.
[0:53:59 – 0:54:00] Adam: They are probably doing that right now.
[0:54:00 – 0:54:01] Adam: They’re probably still drinking.
[0:54:02 – 0:54:06] Erik: Although it is a Saturday afternoon, so they’re definitely there.
[0:54:07 – 0:54:09] Adam: The Mekan River is a very quiet river.
[0:54:10 – 0:54:11] Adam: Nobody fishes it.
[0:54:12 – 0:54:18] Adam: You see some people who will float it in a kayak occasionally, but I always just fished it in waders walking upstream.
[0:54:19 – 0:54:23] Adam: It’s probably not going to make anybody’s top 10 list for rivers in Wisconsin, but
[0:54:23 – 0:54:30] Adam: And I shouldn’t even be talking about it, but it is, it used to be my home river before the Cadence became my home river.
[0:54:31 – 0:54:35] Adam: I always considered the Mekan river, like my true like spiritual center when it came to flowing water.
[0:54:36 – 0:54:38] Adam: A lot of big brown trout in there.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:40] Adam: And I’ve caught some really nice brook trout in there too.
[0:54:40 – 0:54:45] Adam: And it’s just a lot of cool like public access spots in there if you really dig in and do your homework.
[0:54:45 – 0:54:46] Adam: So I will say no more.
[0:54:46 – 0:54:47] Adam: Mekan River.
[0:54:47 – 0:54:53] Adam: Check it out if you’re ever in central Wisconsin on the sand flats near the Fox, the upper Fox watershed.
[0:54:54 – 0:54:58] Adam: My other one, I would say just for brown trout fishing, like if I could spend one day
[0:54:59 – 0:55:04] Adam: You said, Adam, you get one day to go trout fishing in Wisconsin for stream trout.
[0:55:04 – 0:55:05] Adam: Where would you go?
[0:55:06 – 0:55:07] Adam: West Fork or the Kickapoo River?
[0:55:08 – 0:55:08] Erik: Kickapoo.
[0:55:09 – 0:55:10] Adam: That’s all I’m going to say.
[0:55:10 – 0:55:10] Adam: Okay.
[0:55:10 – 0:55:11] Adam: It’s near Vernon.
[0:55:12 – 0:55:13] Adam: It’s in Vernon County.
[0:55:13 – 0:55:15] Adam: It’s near Viroqua.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:18] Adam: A lot of good camping options in there.
[0:55:20 – 0:55:26] Adam: Just some of the most mind-blowing, amazing stream trout fishing you can ever find.
[0:55:27 – 0:55:29] Adam: either with a fly or with a spinning reel.
[0:55:29 – 0:55:30] Adam: It does not matter.
[0:55:30 – 0:55:31] Adam: You will catch so many fish.
[0:55:31 – 0:55:32] Adam: And I love it.
[0:55:32 – 0:55:34] Adam: It’s one of my favorite places in the world.
[0:55:35 – 0:55:40] Adam: And I was hoping to get down there actually this spring and fish it with my old crew.
[0:55:41 – 0:55:41] Adam: But alas.
[0:55:43 – 0:55:43] Adam: What happened?
[0:55:44 – 0:55:49] Adam: Well, it’s not recommended that you travel long distances from home right now, so I did not go.
[0:55:49 – 0:55:53] Adam: So I’ve been stuck up here getting skunked on steelhead.
[0:55:53 – 0:55:54] Erik: In this horrible place.
[0:55:54 – 0:55:56] Adam: But that’s okay.
[0:55:56 – 0:55:58] Adam: Those are my out-of-state honorable mentions.
[0:55:58 – 0:56:05] Adam: If we’re talking rivers, like I was jotting my list down this morning, I couldn’t just do a river episode and not mention the Mekan.
[0:56:05 – 0:56:16] Erik: Yeah, so episode, we’re not going to talk anymore about the Mekan, but episode 099 will be a deep dive into the menu at the Mekan River Lodge, specifically Mexican night.
[0:56:19 – 0:56:22] Adam: Yeah, it’s a pretty spicy one.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:29] Adam: All right, so I do have a couple more of just actual honorable mentions for the Quetico Superior region.
[0:56:29 – 0:56:30] Adam: I think you should go next, though.
[0:56:30 – 0:56:31] Adam: Do you have any more?
[0:56:32 – 0:56:32] Erik: Well, I mean…
[0:56:34 – 0:56:36] Adam: There’s one that I’m shocked you haven’t mentioned yet.
[0:56:37 – 0:56:38] Erik: I’m covering it up.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:41] Erik: Yes, as you slowly move your hand over your… You couldn’t see.
[0:56:42 – 0:56:43] Adam: You can’t read my writing.
[0:56:43 – 0:56:49] Erik: I’m shocked you’re shocked that I haven’t mentioned this Quetico Superior River or this at-large river.
[0:56:49 – 0:56:50] Adam: It’s Quetico Superior now.
[0:56:52 – 0:56:54] Adam: And I’m shocked I haven’t mentioned it yet.
[0:56:54 – 0:56:55] Erik: You’re shocked?
[0:56:56 – 0:56:57] Adam: Wow, we’re just…
[0:56:57 – 0:56:58] Adam: I’m shocking.
[0:56:58 – 0:56:59] Erik: We’re all shocked.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:07] Erik: I just want to throw out, it has nothing to do with any of the parameters, but it’s going to be hard.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:10] Erik: No, let’s move on because this might be my number one.
[0:57:12 – 0:57:17] Erik: The other honorable mentions in the immediate vicinity is the Horace River.
[0:57:18 – 0:57:19] Erik: Which was talked about.
[0:57:19 – 0:57:20] Adam: Never heard of it.
[0:57:20 – 0:57:21] Adam: Never heard of it.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:23] Adam: No, I have heard of it.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:25] Adam: I have heard of it and never been.
[0:57:26 – 0:57:26] Erik: It’s nice.
[0:57:26 – 0:57:29] Erik: It’s almost always paddleable.
[0:57:31 – 0:57:44] Erik: And then my other one is, which when I go back and actually think about it, the main reason that it’s still only an honorable mention is
[0:57:46 – 0:57:52] Erik: is because I can’t actually picture very much of it being like a river.
[0:57:52 – 0:57:55] Erik: It feels like a bunch of little like kind of broken…
[0:57:57 – 0:58:12] Erik: There wasn’t a sense of moving water, but there was also the sense of like super remoteness, the ruggedness, and just feeling like we’re in a place that not very many people get through.
[0:58:13 – 0:58:13] Adam: Yeah.
[0:58:13 – 0:58:14] Adam: And that’s the Laos River.
[0:58:15 – 0:58:15] Adam: I have it right here.
[0:58:16 – 0:58:17] Adam: I’m pointing at it before you even say it.
[0:58:17 – 0:58:18] Erik: Is that what you were covering up?
[0:58:19 – 0:58:19] Adam: Yes.
[0:58:19 – 0:58:20] Erik: Oh, nice.
[0:58:20 – 0:58:20] Erik: The Laos.
[0:58:21 – 0:58:21] Adam: The Laos River.
[0:58:21 – 0:58:23] Adam: How have we not talked about the Laos?
[0:58:23 – 0:58:27] Adam: We couldn’t make the top five because, honestly, it was a real pain in the ass.
[0:58:28 – 0:58:29] Erik: But it was so far out there.
[0:58:29 – 0:58:31] Erik: What a cool trip.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:33] Adam: There was a Dolman.
[0:58:33 – 0:58:35] Adam: I would always want to recommend it.
[0:58:36 – 0:58:38] Adam: And I’d love to do that one again someday.
[0:58:38 – 0:58:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:38 – 0:58:41] Erik: There’s also the Phoebe River, I think.
[0:58:42 – 0:58:42] Adam: Or the Polly.
[0:58:43 – 0:58:43] Adam: The Polly.
[0:58:43 – 0:58:44] Erik: Whatever one comes out of that.
[0:58:45 – 0:58:46] Adam: It is Polly, I believe.
[0:58:46 – 0:58:49] Adam: That whole loop, we got to do two rivers on that one.
[0:58:49 – 0:58:50] Adam: Really pushing hard.
[0:58:50 – 0:58:51] Erik: So like…
[0:58:53 – 0:58:56] Erik: Somebody should just go through an authority.
[0:58:56 – 0:59:08] Erik: Maybe the Minister of Ontario’s Natural Resources could go through and kind of collectively, like basically calling out the CCC at this point for their naming of rivers.
[0:59:09 – 0:59:11] Erik: Let’s just get a little bit of continuity going.
[0:59:12 – 0:59:16] Erik: I feel like that whole loop that we did, that’s kind of like one whole river.
[0:59:17 – 0:59:19] Erik: Let’s just rename that one whole thing.
[0:59:20 – 0:59:22] Erik: But the Laos River, yeah, it’s…
[0:59:22 – 0:59:25] Adam: I didn’t enjoy my day on the Laos River that much.
[0:59:26 – 0:59:27] Erik: No, it was like.
[0:59:27 – 0:59:29] Adam: It was cool to be out there, but like it was tough.
[0:59:30 – 0:59:30] Adam: It was tough.
[0:59:30 – 0:59:33] Adam: And like you said, it wasn’t much of like a river.
[0:59:33 – 0:59:39] Adam: It was more like little segments of riverish water connected by terrible portages.
[0:59:39 – 0:59:42] Erik: Just as soon as you thought you were getting into like a river scenario.
[0:59:42 – 0:59:42] Erik: A little rhythm.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:43] Erik: Here’s a portage.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:45] Erik: And then now you’re into like a weird lake.
[0:59:45 – 0:59:53] Adam: It’s technically labeled as a river, but I don’t feel it really is, which is why it only was an honorable mention and not on the actual list.
[0:59:53 – 0:59:55] Adam: I have two more for you.
[0:59:55 – 0:59:58] Erik: I have not seen them, and I do appreciate the one.
[0:59:59 – 1:00:00] Adam: Which one?
[1:00:01 – 1:00:02] SPEAKER_02: You’ll have to find out.
[1:00:02 – 1:00:04] Adam: The Blackstone.
[1:00:04 – 1:00:04] Erik: Yes.
[1:00:05 – 1:00:05] Adam: Tamarack Heaven.
[1:00:06 – 1:00:06] Adam: Tamarack Heaven.
[1:00:07 – 1:00:07] Adam: Oh, my God.
[1:00:07 – 1:00:09] Adam: The Tammy hunting on the Blackstone River.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:11] Adam: Wonderful.
[1:00:11 – 1:00:15] Adam: I enjoyed Blackstone Lake a lot, and I really liked the Blackstone River.
[1:00:15 – 1:00:19] Adam: But then, unfortunately, that day was marred by almost dying on Cache Bay.
[1:00:20 – 1:00:22] Adam: It did end in a bit of a…
[1:00:22 – 1:00:27] Adam: It doesn’t have the same kind of resonance in the mind as it should.
[1:00:27 – 1:00:30] Adam: But the Blackstone River, stunningly beautiful.
[1:00:30 – 1:00:31] Adam: I loved it.
[1:00:31 – 1:00:36] Erik: But it did provide us with a needed piece of gear.
[1:00:36 – 1:00:40] Adam: Yeah, the bungee cord appearing out of nowhere was pretty magical.
[1:00:41 – 1:00:48] Erik: Although, yes, magical, but I did maybe hear somebody yelling in the woods right before we found that.
[1:00:48 – 1:00:50] Erik: Maybe it was another ghoul.
[1:00:50 – 1:00:51] Erik: Also, maybe creepy.
[1:00:51 – 1:00:56] Adam: I would think that more ghouls would be around moving water than around just lakes.
[1:00:57 – 1:00:57] Erik: Why?
[1:00:57 – 1:01:02] Adam: There’s something about the extra energy of the water moving than just being in a bowl.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:03] Erik: Okay.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:03] Erik: Okay.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:17] Adam: I’d rather, you know, I think, you know, to put it in like less abstract terms, like a ghoul would be more likely to occur near like a spraying hose or sprinkler than just near like a tub of water.
[1:01:18 – 1:01:23] Erik: Yeah, you really, you had dumbed it down to about its lowest boiling point there.
[1:01:23 – 1:01:26] Adam: Ghouls love to run through sprinklers.
[1:01:26 – 1:01:27] Adam: Everybody loves to run through a sprinkler.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:32] Adam: Nobody wants to just dive into an old pool of filthy water.
[1:01:32 – 1:01:33] Erik: All right.
[1:01:33 – 1:01:33] Adam: Whatever.
[1:01:33 – 1:01:34] Adam: We’re moving on.
[1:01:34 – 1:01:35] Adam: The last one I had was the Brule.
[1:01:36 – 1:01:41] Adam: Remember when we defied death by running the Brule in extreme flood stage?
[1:01:41 – 1:01:42] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:43] Adam: Into Northern Light Lake.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:44] Erik: I do remember that.
[1:01:44 – 1:01:45] Erik: That was stupid.
[1:01:45 – 1:01:45] Adam: How could I forget?
[1:01:45 – 1:01:46] Adam: It was crazy.
[1:01:47 – 1:01:52] Adam: But I will never, ever run a river in that kind of conditions ever again in my life.
[1:01:52 – 1:01:52] Adam: I guarantee it.
[1:01:53 – 1:01:53] Adam: I’ll never do it.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:54] Adam: No.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:55] Adam: But we did it.
[1:01:55 – 1:01:56] Adam: And we didn’t dump.
[1:01:57 – 1:01:57] Adam: We made it.
[1:01:58 – 1:01:59] Erik: We half dumped.
[1:02:00 – 1:02:01] Adam: Well, we didn’t dump.
[1:02:01 – 1:02:02] Adam: We didn’t fully dump.
[1:02:02 – 1:02:03] Adam: No, we didn’t.
[1:02:03 – 1:02:05] Adam: We only half dumped.
[1:02:05 – 1:02:06] Erik: We dipped.
[1:02:07 – 1:02:09] Adam: We kept her upright.
[1:02:09 – 1:02:10] Adam: We were fine.
[1:02:10 – 1:02:11] Erik: We sipped a glass of…
[1:02:12 – 1:02:13] Adam: It was amazing.
[1:02:13 – 1:02:18] Adam: I would never do it again, but it’s one of those crazy memories you have of youth.
[1:02:19 – 1:02:27] Erik: I am glad to have that memory, but it is, like you said, one of those things where it’s like, it’s kind of one of those memories where it’s like, ah, that was so fun to go on that roller coaster.
[1:02:27 – 1:02:29] Erik: I can’t wait to do it again.
[1:02:29 – 1:02:31] Erik: I’m just going to make a bunch of those memories.
[1:02:31 – 1:02:33] Erik: This is one where it’s like, no, I’m never going on that ride ever again.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:34] Erik: Yeah, it was scarring.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:37] Erik: Well, I don’t know about scarring, but…
[1:02:37 – 1:02:39] Adam: It was a nightmare.
[1:02:39 – 1:02:40] Adam: But a good kind.
[1:02:40 – 1:02:41] Erik: A good kind of nightmare.
[1:02:41 – 1:02:44] Adam: It was like a nightmare that you can chuckle about later, like this.
[1:02:44 – 1:02:44] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[1:02:45 – 1:02:47] Adam: So those are my honorable mentions.
[1:02:47 – 1:03:01] Erik: I also dragged down the North Brule River in a Royal X canoe in the opposite low water with Tori and also almost died because she was so mad at me.
[1:03:01 – 1:03:02] Adam: She almost murdered you.
[1:03:02 – 1:03:02] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:03 – 1:03:04] Erik: And just, you know.
[1:03:04 – 1:03:05] Adam: I’m glad she didn’t.
[1:03:05 – 1:03:06] Adam: Yeah, both sides of the spectrum.
[1:03:06 – 1:03:07] Adam: Otherwise we wouldn’t have been able to do this podcast.
[1:03:08 – 1:03:08] Erik: Yeah, just think.
[1:03:09 – 1:03:10] Erik: Where would we have been?
[1:03:10 – 1:03:14] Erik: Where would we be if we would have died on the Brule River?
[1:03:14 – 1:03:18] Adam: Probably at the bottom of Northern Light Lake.
[1:03:18 – 1:03:18] Adam: Yeah, probably.
[1:03:19 – 1:03:22] Adam: Having our toes chewed on by a isoscelosis.
[1:03:23 – 1:03:23] UNKNOWN: Right.
[1:03:24 – 1:03:30] Erik: We’d probably be on somebody else’s Bon Jovi podcast up there with Dan Stevens and whatever his other name was.
[1:03:30 – 1:03:33] Adam: Jet Ski Boy and the old Brule River Kids.
[1:03:34 – 1:03:37] Erik: I can never remember the name of the guy that the Boy Scout guide.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:38] Adam: Dan Stevens.
[1:03:41 – 1:03:42] Erik: Who was the guy that got lost on the powwow?
[1:03:44 – 1:03:44] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:03:45 – 1:03:45] Adam: That was either.
[1:03:45 – 1:03:47] Adam: It may also have been Dan Stevens.
[1:03:47 – 1:03:52] Erik: They were both the most highly coincidental book of all time.
[1:03:52 – 1:03:53] Erik: Dan Stevens.
[1:03:53 – 1:03:53] Erik: Dan Stevens.
[1:03:55 – 1:04:10] Adam: all right all right moving on we have some goals i would like to set a goal my goal is divided into a short a medium and a long trip jeez you’re bringing river trips my note my notes for this show is like i’ll go five words yours is a whole page
[1:04:11 – 1:04:13] Adam: This is for maybe a five night trip.
[1:04:13 – 1:04:17] Adam: And we already kind of talked about, you mentioned the Nina Moose and the Oyster.
[1:04:18 – 1:04:18] Erik: Yes.
[1:04:18 – 1:04:21] Adam: This is all part of, this would be a Nina Moose permit.
[1:04:21 – 1:04:23] Adam: I think we could do this trip easy in five days.
[1:04:24 – 1:04:26] Adam: Nina Moose to the Oyster River.
[1:04:26 – 1:04:26] Adam: Yep.
[1:04:27 – 1:04:28] Adam: And then this is the real kicker.
[1:04:28 – 1:04:30] Adam: This is the one I really want to see.
[1:04:30 – 1:04:30] Adam: The kicker.
[1:04:31 – 1:04:33] Adam: Let me just take a sip and then I’ll say it correctly.
[1:04:33 – 1:04:36] Erik: Is this something that we can do in the near future?
[1:04:36 – 1:04:37] Adam: Oh yeah.
[1:04:37 – 1:04:39] Adam: We could do this like next week.
[1:04:39 – 1:04:40] Erik: Ice is out over there.
[1:04:41 – 1:04:42] Erik: Take off time.
[1:04:42 – 1:04:43] Erik: I’m not working until the 18th.
[1:04:44 – 1:04:45] Erik: Gibiani quit.
[1:04:46 – 1:04:46] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:04:46 – 1:04:48] Erik: Gibiani quit.
[1:04:48 – 1:04:49] Erik: Gibiani quit.
[1:04:49 – 1:04:50] Erik: Gibiani quit.
[1:04:50 – 1:04:52] Erik: Let me hear the music in it, Eric.
[1:04:52 – 1:04:52] Erik: It’s a creek.
[1:04:53 – 1:04:54] Adam: Yeah, it’s a creek.
[1:04:54 – 1:04:54] Adam: Yeah.
[1:04:54 – 1:05:02] Adam: So you go Nina Moose, Oyster River, Gibioniquet Creek, and then into Pocket Creek to Lac La Croix.
[1:05:02 – 1:05:03] Erik: It’s all creeks and rivers over there.
[1:05:03 – 1:05:07] Adam: You pop out right by the Clearwater Moose pictographs.
[1:05:07 – 1:05:12] Erik: We might be completely rejiggering our top fives if we go and do a trip over there.
[1:05:12 – 1:05:12] Erik: It’s riddled.
[1:05:13 – 1:05:14] Erik: It’s all creeks.
[1:05:14 – 1:05:14] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:15 – 1:05:16] Erik: It’s all rivers and creeks.
[1:05:16 – 1:05:17] Erik: It’s all rivers and creeks.
[1:05:17 – 1:05:20] Adam: So that’s over by the Stewart River and Little Sioux River.
[1:05:21 – 1:05:22] Adam: And there’s a bunch of them over there.
[1:05:22 – 1:05:29] Adam: But I’ve heard so many good things over the course of the last decade from fellow paddlers about the Nina Moose.
[1:05:29 – 1:05:29] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:30 – 1:05:31] Adam: I mean, I’ve never seen it.
[1:05:32 – 1:05:35] Adam: The farthest up the Echo Trail I’ve been is the Hegman Lake.
[1:05:35 – 1:05:42] Erik: I’ve had my eyes on that all winter as a trip we were going to try to take before the troubles started.
[1:05:42 – 1:05:44] Adam: I love Lac La Croix, and I want to see it again.
[1:05:44 – 1:05:48] Adam: And I was talking with Natalie this morning, and I said, would you want to go to G-Banana Quit?
[1:05:49 – 1:05:50] Adam: And she said, I don’t know.
[1:05:51 – 1:05:56] Adam: And I kind of explained where it was, and the fact that you get to Lac La Croix, it sounds awesome.
[1:05:56 – 1:05:58] Adam: I was like, we should do this trip in the next month.
[1:05:59 – 1:06:00] Adam: Make it happen.
[1:06:00 – 1:06:00] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:00 – 1:06:03] Adam: So that’s my number one goal, is the Nina Moose,
[1:06:04 – 1:06:05] Adam: To GB non-acquit.
[1:06:05 – 1:06:06] Adam: I’m not saying it right.
[1:06:06 – 1:06:07] Adam: GB on-acquit.
[1:06:08 – 1:06:09] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:06:09 – 1:06:12] Adam: Anyways, I’m not sure how to say it, but that’s the closest I can come.
[1:06:12 – 1:06:13] Erik: Well, I’m there with you.
[1:06:14 – 1:06:15] Erik: Whenever we can do it, let’s do it.
[1:06:15 – 1:06:16] Adam: I think you can do it in five days.
[1:06:16 – 1:06:24] Adam: You go up through Pocket into Lac La Croix, and then you can kind of loop back down through Agnes back into the Nina Moose is a nice loop.
[1:06:25 – 1:06:28] Adam: Easy five days with drive time from here and back.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:29] Erik: Yeah, travel.
[1:06:29 – 1:06:33] Adam: Maybe three days, four nights of actual park time.
[1:06:34 – 1:06:37] Erik: Would that be considered traveling too far from home, though?
[1:06:40 – 1:06:40] Erik: Maybe.
[1:06:40 – 1:06:43] Erik: There’s a good chance that they just extend the closure on the boundary waters, too.
[1:06:44 – 1:06:44] Adam: That’s true, too.
[1:06:45 – 1:06:48] Adam: But, you know, I think we can maybe make that happen.
[1:06:48 – 1:06:50] Adam: And it would be fun to get over on the west side.
[1:06:50 – 1:06:52] Erik: I mean, that’s been the discussion all winter.
[1:06:52 – 1:06:56] Adam: In the spirit of early season and rivers, the gusto of a river.
[1:06:56 – 1:06:57] Adam: Let’s get in there.
[1:06:57 – 1:06:58] Adam: I want that GB Nanaquet.
[1:06:58 – 1:06:59] Erik: I want to go now.
[1:06:59 – 1:07:00] Erik: Can we go now?
[1:07:01 – 1:07:02] Adam: All right.
[1:07:02 – 1:07:03] Adam: Let’s go.
[1:07:03 – 1:07:03] Adam: All right.
[1:07:04 – 1:07:05] Adam: I mean, that would be a lot of fun.
[1:07:06 – 1:07:10] Adam: So that’s my number one goal for like a five-day, four-day kind of trip.
[1:07:10 – 1:07:10] Erik: All right.
[1:07:10 – 1:07:11] Erik: I’m glomming on.
[1:07:11 – 1:07:13] Erik: That’s also my number one goal.
[1:07:13 – 1:07:13] Erik: Yes.
[1:07:14 – 1:07:15] Adam: Yes, Eric.
[1:07:15 – 1:07:16] Adam: All right.
[1:07:17 – 1:07:19] Adam: Both on the same page.
[1:07:20 – 1:07:20] Adam: All right.
[1:07:21 – 1:07:24] Adam: So you saw Gibiani quit.
[1:07:24 – 1:07:24] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:07:24 – 1:07:26] Adam: What do you think that means?
[1:07:26 – 1:07:27] Erik: I’ve been eyeing that whole area.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:29] Adam: That certainly ain’t no French.
[1:07:29 – 1:07:31] Erik: I’m going to type it into the translator here.
[1:07:31 – 1:07:35] Adam: Do you have a Ojibwe translator?
[1:07:36 – 1:07:37] Erik: I don’t think Google has that built in.
[1:07:39 – 1:07:40] Erik: Of course they don’t.
[1:07:40 – 1:07:41] Erik: No, they don’t.
[1:07:41 – 1:07:49] Adam: My secondary goal, which we’ve already talked about quite a bit, so we don’t need to talk much here, the Hunter’s Island North Loop in general.
[1:07:49 – 1:07:57] Adam: If I had two weeks go down the dark water, I guess that wouldn’t work.
[1:07:58 – 1:08:03] Adam: I would just rather go up through the Falls Chain, do the full Malign.
[1:08:03 – 1:08:21] Adam: And actually, then I noted, too, if you’re really going for it, two weeks, start at Gunflint, do the entire Granite River, Sag, Silver Falls, Falls Chain, Kasha Peewee, the Malign River through Sturgeon, Malign River through Terry.
[1:08:21 – 1:08:22] Adam: It’s not Terry, is it?
[1:08:22 – 1:08:22] Adam: Terry?
[1:08:23 – 1:08:24] Adam: How dare you?
[1:08:24 – 1:08:25] Adam: Tanner Flaps.
[1:08:26 – 1:08:36] Adam: And then, yeah, through the Portage des Lays in Twin Falls down by Loo Island into Lac La Croix and then make your way back.
[1:08:36 – 1:08:36] Erik: Yeah.
[1:08:37 – 1:08:38] Adam: Do the whole Hunter’s Island loop.
[1:08:39 – 1:08:41] Adam: I mean, most of that’s the Malayan River, the whole north part.
[1:08:41 – 1:08:44] Adam: And then you’re coming back, you end up going back up through Basswood.
[1:08:45 – 1:08:46] Erik: Malenia.
[1:08:46 – 1:08:47] Adam: The Malenia.
[1:08:47 – 1:08:50] Erik: Start at the height of land portage and go to Hudson Bay.
[1:08:51 – 1:08:52] Erik: There you go.
[1:08:52 – 1:08:53] Erik: There you go.
[1:08:53 – 1:08:54] Erik: That’s my goal.
[1:08:54 – 1:08:59] Adam: Anyways, you know, I always remember seeing that Hunter’s Island thing and you’re like, what the hell are they talking about?
[1:08:59 – 1:08:59] Adam: It’s not an island.
[1:09:00 – 1:09:00] Erik: Yeah.
[1:09:00 – 1:09:01] Adam: But now I get it.
[1:09:01 – 1:09:01] Adam: I get it.
[1:09:01 – 1:09:03] Adam: It’s an island of moving water.
[1:09:03 – 1:09:04] Adam: It’s an island of gravity.
[1:09:06 – 1:09:08] Adam: So that’s my secondary.
[1:09:08 – 1:09:11] Adam: If I had two weeks to burn, I would do the Hunter’s Island.
[1:09:11 – 1:09:11] Erik: Yeah.
[1:09:11 – 1:09:15] Adam: If I had three weeks or a month to burn, Wauwiaug.
[1:09:16 – 1:09:16] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:09:16 – 1:09:17] Adam: Wauwiaug.
[1:09:17 – 1:09:21] Erik: We even talked about doing the Wauwiaug this spring.
[1:09:21 – 1:09:25] Adam: And you could couple the Wauwiaug into the Moline.
[1:09:26 – 1:09:27] Erik: Yeah.
[1:09:27 – 1:09:29] Erik: And I see you also have written there the cash.
[1:09:29 – 1:09:29] Adam: Yeah.
[1:09:29 – 1:09:31] Adam: You could really do a super trip.
[1:09:31 – 1:09:32] Adam: False Chain.
[1:09:32 – 1:09:36] Erik: Just river boys, corn cob, pipe, meeting Tom Sawyer.
[1:09:37 – 1:09:38] Adam: Back up to the Cache River?
[1:09:39 – 1:09:39] Erik: Yeah.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:42] Adam: The Wauwihag and Cache Rivers, if you look at any map, folks.
[1:09:42 – 1:09:43] Adam: They’re insane.
[1:09:43 – 1:09:44] Adam: It’s crazy.
[1:09:44 – 1:09:48] Adam: It dwarfs the Frost River in the magnitude of flow.
[1:09:48 – 1:09:49] Erik: It’s all river.
[1:09:49 – 1:09:50] Erik: It’s all little.
[1:09:50 – 1:09:51] Erik: There’s no river.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:52] Erik: It’s all little, too.
[1:09:52 – 1:09:52] Erik: And it’s all tiny.
[1:09:52 – 1:09:53] Erik: Yeah.
[1:09:53 – 1:09:54] Adam: What are you going to find out there?
[1:09:55 – 1:10:02] Erik: No, it’s been on the top of my list ever since Dale from Canoe Canada suggested that we make that.
[1:10:02 – 1:10:04] Erik: This is the quickest way.
[1:10:04 – 1:10:06] Erik: And then I finally, I had never really noticed.
[1:10:06 – 1:10:08] Adam: I was like, wow, look at these crazy rivers.
[1:10:08 – 1:10:09] Erik: Yeah, it’s nuts.
[1:10:09 – 1:10:13] Erik: You got to go up through like the northeast end of Saginagons.
[1:10:13 – 1:10:16] Adam: You’re almost pushing out of the end of the Quetico onto the east.
[1:10:16 – 1:10:18] Erik: Yeah, you’re at the edge of the park on the east end.
[1:10:19 – 1:10:19] Adam: Sick.
[1:10:19 – 1:10:19] Erik: It’s there.
[1:10:20 – 1:10:20] Erik: I will do that.
[1:10:21 – 1:10:22] Adam: That’s one I will do.
[1:10:22 – 1:10:24] Adam: I don’t care if I get back to the Quetico River.
[1:10:24 – 1:10:25] Adam: We’re doing the Wallyog.
[1:10:25 – 1:10:26] Adam: I want to get to Wallyog.
[1:10:26 – 1:10:27] Erik: Yeah.
[1:10:28 – 1:10:33] Adam: And hopefully, if you’re going to make it to Wallyog, then loop back up and do the Cache River at the same time.
[1:10:34 – 1:10:35] Adam: Super river trip.
[1:10:35 – 1:10:35] Erik: Yeah.
[1:10:35 – 1:10:38] Adam: Maybe in a couple years we can do that in June.
[1:10:38 – 1:10:41] Erik: Or maybe if they just keep things shut down and they open up the parks.
[1:10:41 – 1:10:41] Erik: Yeah.
[1:10:42 – 1:10:45] Erik: I’m just going to quit my job and paddle all year.
[1:10:46 – 1:10:47] Erik: Just all field recordings.
[1:10:48 – 1:10:48] Adam: Those are my goals.
[1:10:49 – 1:10:54] Adam: I have a short, a medium, and a long goal for river trips if I ever get the chance.
[1:10:55 – 1:11:00] Adam: I will also say, back in the day, we have a friend, Josh, who did the entire Wisconsin River.
[1:11:01 – 1:11:01] Adam: Oh, yes.
[1:11:01 – 1:11:02] Adam: That’s right.
[1:11:02 – 1:11:03] Adam: That’s awesome.
[1:11:03 – 1:11:07] Adam: Shout out to, I’m not going to discuss that one further, but shout out to Josh.
[1:11:07 – 1:11:09] Adam: That’s a crazy trip to take by yourself.
[1:11:09 – 1:11:10] Erik: Alone with a dog.
[1:11:10 – 1:11:10] Adam: With a dog.
[1:11:11 – 1:11:11] Adam: Not by yourself.
[1:11:11 – 1:11:12] Erik: Well.
[1:11:12 – 1:11:12] Adam: But still.
[1:11:13 – 1:11:13] Adam: But nobody else to help.
[1:11:13 – 1:11:14] Adam: You’re the only one paddling.
[1:11:14 – 1:11:15] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:15 – 1:11:17] Erik: Besides the mental help.
[1:11:17 – 1:11:17] Erik: That’s cool.
[1:11:18 – 1:11:23] Adam: But then I also remember when I was younger, like talking about, we could just float the entire Mississippi down to New Orleans.
[1:11:24 – 1:11:24] Adam: Yeah.
[1:11:24 – 1:11:25] Erik: You could do it.
[1:11:25 – 1:11:27] Erik: We’ve talked about Verlin Kruger before.
[1:11:27 – 1:11:27] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:28 – 1:11:30] Erik: He’s paddled from like the Arctic Circle to like Antarctica.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:37] Adam: So these are super long river trips, but I would say we were talking at the beginning of 097, like if you had one river to run.
[1:11:38 – 1:11:40] Adam: The favorite river, what would you do?
[1:11:40 – 1:11:45] Adam: And this is, I don’t know, are we talking about it as like your favorite river overall or favorite river you wish you could paddle?
[1:11:47 – 1:11:47] Erik: The Ganges.
[1:11:49 – 1:11:49] UNKNOWN: No.
[1:11:50 – 1:11:53] Adam: And then at the end, just burn your ashes and dump them in.
[1:11:53 – 1:11:56] Erik: Yeah, and you just die at the end of it.
[1:11:57 – 1:11:57] Erik: Yeah, no, I think it…
[1:11:58 – 1:11:58] Erik: The phoenix is reborn.
[1:11:59 – 1:11:59] Erik: I think it has…
[1:12:00 – 1:12:08] Erik: I would think that it has to, of course, based on how we’ve ranked rivers up to this point, at least begin there.
[1:12:09 – 1:12:13] Erik: Like, yeah, all right, the Colorado River, whatever the river is.
[1:12:13 – 1:12:14] Erik: What’s the river in Zion?
[1:12:15 – 1:12:16] Erik: Angel River?
[1:12:16 – 1:12:17] Erik: The Virgin River?
[1:12:18 – 1:12:19] Erik: The one that you get to walk up?
[1:12:19 – 1:12:19] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[1:12:20 – 1:12:30] Erik: Like, yeah, those are like cool, amazing rivers, but like one that I would have like the most excitement about getting a canoe into and just going.
[1:12:31 – 1:12:37] Erik: I mean, it kind of goes, my thoughts and my eyes sort of,
[1:12:38 – 1:12:39] Adam: It is the Virgin River.
[1:12:39 – 1:12:40] Erik: Ah, nailed it.
[1:12:40 – 1:12:42] Erik: Not kind of.
[1:12:42 – 1:12:42] Adam: You did nail it.
[1:12:43 – 1:12:44] Adam: Well, I said like three other names as well.
[1:12:45 – 1:12:47] Adam: I only heard that one because I knew it was right.
[1:12:48 – 1:12:51] Erik: Nobody’s ever going to be able to check it if we were right or wrong because it’s gone.
[1:12:51 – 1:12:52] Erik: It’s just fleeting.
[1:12:53 – 1:12:53] Erik: This is live.
[1:12:55 – 1:13:01] Erik: I’ve always wanted to do like a hardcore Canadian or like Alaskan river.
[1:13:02 – 1:13:06] Erik: And I kind of feel like, you know, hey, we’re these guys.
[1:13:06 – 1:13:06] Erik: Yukon River Quest.
[1:13:06 – 1:13:09] SPEAKER_02: We’re talking about the Bajie waters.
[1:13:10 – 1:13:11] Erik: What are we talking about, really?
[1:13:11 – 1:13:15] Erik: We’re talking about paddling on flat water, easy camping, easy paddling.
[1:13:16 – 1:13:24] Erik: Like, I’ve always sort of been a little jealous of Tori for the trips that she took in high school through a program in St.
[1:13:24 – 1:13:28] Erik: Cloud where they actually went out onto, like, rivers and, like,
[1:13:28 – 1:13:30] Erik: learned how to like paddle in like…
[1:13:30 – 1:13:31] Adam: Proper river technique.
[1:13:31 – 1:13:33] Erik: River technique, river gear.
[1:13:33 – 1:13:33] Adam: We don’t have it.
[1:13:34 – 1:13:36] Adam: We’re just raw as hell as river paddlers.
[1:13:36 – 1:13:37] Adam: We don’t know what we’re doing.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:37] Adam: I would die in a second.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:39] Adam: It’s amazing we survived that Brule Run.
[1:13:39 – 1:13:40] Erik: Oh, that was the dumbest thing.
[1:13:40 – 1:13:42] Erik: Just the thinking on it was stupid.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:43] Erik: And we had nothing.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:45] Adam: That was a polluted mindset.
[1:13:45 – 1:13:45] Erik: Yes.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:47] Adam: But a beautiful result.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:48] Adam: Yeah.
[1:13:48 – 1:13:49] Erik: Yes.
[1:13:49 – 1:13:51] Erik: No spray skirt, no nothing.
[1:13:51 – 1:13:52] Erik: Just gunning it.
[1:13:53 – 1:14:03] Erik: So I would like to, I would love to, because something about like just a placid little easy paddle down a river, that’s fine and fun.
[1:14:03 – 1:14:07] Erik: But like, I kind of want to get a little bit of that like… A real river.
[1:14:07 – 1:14:08] Adam: That’s what we were talking about with the granite.
[1:14:08 – 1:14:09] Adam: Like it’s got some of that…
[1:14:10 – 1:14:10] Adam: Yeah.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:11] Erik: That’s sass.
[1:14:11 – 1:14:12] Erik: I want to be able to sass up.
[1:14:12 – 1:14:13] Adam: That danger.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:13] Erik: Yeah.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:19] Erik: And so like the McKenzie River up in the Northwest Territories comes to mind.
[1:14:19 – 1:14:19] Erik: Yeah.
[1:14:19 – 1:14:26] Adam: I want to do, if we ever get like fully functioning as like a full-time podcast, we’re doing the Yukon River Quest.
[1:14:26 – 1:14:26] Adam: Sure.
[1:14:26 – 1:14:34] Adam: We talked a lot about the Yukon Quest, but you can do the Yukon River Quest where you literally just paddle for like a week straight through the night every day.
[1:14:34 – 1:14:35] Adam: You just go until you get there.
[1:14:35 – 1:14:36] Erik: Until you go blind.
[1:14:36 – 1:14:38] Adam: What a wild trip that would be.
[1:14:38 – 1:14:44] Erik: So yeah, I don’t know if I have a specific one that I can point to, but it is definitely something along those lines.
[1:14:45 – 1:14:56] Erik: Something more rugged, Arctic, and one that involves me learning how to actually paddle in like, I don’t want to become like one of those crazy kayakers who puts the helmet on and goes over the waterfall.
[1:14:57 – 1:14:57] Erik: Right.
[1:14:57 – 1:15:02] Erik: But I also wouldn’t mind like maybe throwing a spray skirt on and kind of learning how to navigate some class rapids.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:05] Adam: There’s something so amazing and energizing about moving water.
[1:15:05 – 1:15:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:07] Adam: And that kind of raw power.
[1:15:07 – 1:15:09] Adam: Like a super river like that.
[1:15:10 – 1:15:11] Adam: That’s what I’m talking about.
[1:15:12 – 1:15:14] Adam: I had them divided up into five days, two weeks, and a month.
[1:15:15 – 1:15:24] Adam: And then the last one was if we win the lottery and just go full-time podcaster, the trip I want to do, I want to raft the Colorado through the Grand Canyon.
[1:15:25 – 1:15:28] Adam: I would literally murder somebody to get to do that trip right now.
[1:15:28 – 1:15:28] Adam: Yeah.
[1:15:29 – 1:15:29] Adam: I would.
[1:15:30 – 1:15:30] Adam: No, I wouldn’t.
[1:15:30 – 1:15:31] Adam: But you know what I mean.
[1:15:31 – 1:15:32] Adam: I would…
[1:15:32 – 1:15:52] Adam: i’m serious by that we were down there when natalie and i did our trip just hiking down to uh the bright angel the what do you call them phantom ranch yeah we weren’t in phantom ranch we’re in the campground but we hiked down there we’re on the beach hanging out with our box of wine and those those rafters came up yeah yeah they’re coolers of ipas and
[1:15:53 – 1:16:19] Adam: always looks like the most chill vibes and wetsuits and it was just like yeah i’ve done this hike now twice if i ever come back to the grand canyon it’s by raft yeah and i apparently it’s like takes a lottery oh yeah you don’t these like rafting guides from idaho and montana had all put in their name to this lottery and one of them got it yeah so then they all got to go on this like guided rafting trip yeah it’s not truly paddling there’s no tumble home on a raft
[1:16:20 – 1:16:22] Adam: But I would still do it.
[1:16:22 – 1:16:23] Adam: I would love to do that.
[1:16:23 – 1:16:27] Adam: That would be just do the whole length of the Grand Canyon.
[1:16:28 – 1:16:30] Adam: Well, that would be pretty magical.
[1:16:30 – 1:16:35] Adam: That’s what I would want to do if I could do any river of any sort of paddling trip.
[1:16:35 – 1:16:36] Adam: That’s the one I would want.
[1:16:36 – 1:16:39] Erik: Do you think it would take a lottery scenario?
[1:16:39 – 1:16:41] Adam: It’s a lottery to get the permit.
[1:16:41 – 1:16:43] Erik: Oh, that kind of a lottery.
[1:16:43 – 1:16:54] Adam: But also it would help if we just won the lottery and could do, or if we just get a generous benefactor who we would lavish praise on, even if it was like the most evil person in the world, we would do it.
[1:16:55 – 1:16:57] Adam: We would sell out and paddle for life.
[1:16:57 – 1:16:59] Erik: For the record, we will sell out
[1:16:59 – 1:17:04] Adam: If I get to paddle for life and do this every day, I would, yeah, for sure.
[1:17:04 – 1:17:06] Adam: And especially we would start there.
[1:17:07 – 1:17:07] Adam: Yeah.
[1:17:07 – 1:17:08] Adam: First trip.
[1:17:08 – 1:17:09] Adam: We’re not just a Boundary Waters podcast then.
[1:17:10 – 1:17:11] Adam: Now we’re just a paddling podcast.
[1:17:12 – 1:17:14] Erik: Well, it’ll be… Mostly a Boundary Waters podcast.
[1:17:15 – 1:17:18] Erik: See, that’s the nice thing about the Tumble Home name is…
[1:17:20 – 1:17:25] Erik: You can easily translate that into just the Tumble Home network of podcasts.
[1:17:25 – 1:17:25] Erik: Yeah.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:28] Adam: Spinoffs.
[1:17:29 – 1:17:30] Adam: That’s where I would like to go.
[1:17:30 – 1:17:32] Adam: If I could do any trip, that would be my favorite.
[1:17:34 – 1:17:35] Adam: That’s the idea I had in my mind.
[1:17:36 – 1:17:38] Adam: If you were like, you could do one or the other.
[1:17:38 – 1:17:45] Adam: Raft the Grand Canyon, all expenses paid, or do the Wahweog, all expenses paid, or
[1:17:46 – 1:17:52] Adam: I’ve seen enough of the Cuetico Superior Rivers, and I’ve not paddled any of the Western Canyon Rivers.
[1:17:52 – 1:17:55] Adam: I would definitely do the Grand Canyon first if you had to pick one.
[1:17:56 – 1:17:57] Erik: Ideally, I’d like to do them all.
[1:17:57 – 1:17:59] Erik: The Wauweak seems way more attainable and real.
[1:18:00 – 1:18:01] Adam: It’s right there.
[1:18:01 – 1:18:02] Adam: It’s right there.
[1:18:02 – 1:18:03] Erik: It does involve us crossing.
[1:18:03 – 1:18:06] Adam: No lotteries involved.
[1:18:06 – 1:18:08] Adam: Who cares?
[1:18:08 – 1:18:09] Adam: We’ve done it before.
[1:18:09 – 1:18:11] Adam: Cache Bay has never defeated us.
[1:18:11 – 1:18:15] Adam: We’re undefeated on Cache Bay, and we always will be until we’re not.
[1:18:15 – 1:18:24] Erik: How much do you think it would take to grease the palm of a Voyager canoe outfitter’s towboat driver to get us all the way up to Silver Falls portage?
[1:18:26 – 1:18:31] Adam: It depends on, well, certainly not if Janice was at her post.
[1:18:31 – 1:18:33] Adam: No?
[1:18:33 – 1:18:40] Adam: You were not going to buzz by the Quetico entry point if it’s occupied with a motorboat.
[1:18:41 – 1:18:42] Erik: I asked you a simple question.
[1:18:42 – 1:18:43] Erik: How much would it take?
[1:18:44 – 1:18:45] Adam: It depends on the season.
[1:18:45 – 1:18:46] Adam: Money is no object.
[1:18:47 – 1:18:47] Adam: Well, sure.
[1:18:47 – 1:18:48] Adam: Yeah.
[1:18:48 – 1:18:49] Adam: Like if it’s the middle of July.
[1:18:49 – 1:18:53] Erik: If I was a tow boat driver and somebody’s like, here’s 20 grand for you to bring me directly to…
[1:18:54 – 1:18:55] Adam: I would do it for 20 grand for sure.
[1:18:56 – 1:18:56] Adam: I’ll quit my job.
[1:18:56 – 1:19:00] Adam: But if it’s October and nobody’s there, it might only take 100.
[1:19:00 – 1:19:01] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:19:02 – 1:19:02] Adam: It’s relative.
[1:19:02 – 1:19:03] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[1:19:03 – 1:19:03] SPEAKER_02: Yes.
[1:19:04 – 1:19:10] Erik: We have, for the record, asked on numerous occasions to be dropped off farther by Voyager Canoe Outfitters.
[1:19:10 – 1:19:11] Erik: They won’t ever do it.
[1:19:11 – 1:19:12] Erik: And they always say no.
[1:19:12 – 1:19:14] Adam: They’re very principled, unlike us.
[1:19:14 – 1:19:15] Adam: Yeah, no.
[1:19:15 – 1:19:18] Adam: They’re not, you can’t be boughten by cheap cash.
[1:19:18 – 1:19:18] Erik: No.
[1:19:19 – 1:19:22] Erik: Can’t be, that’s, I mean, that’s one of our slogans.
[1:19:22 – 1:19:24] Erik: Can’t be boughtened by cheap cash.
[1:19:26 – 1:19:28] Adam: All right, friend.
[1:19:28 – 1:19:30] Adam: I think that’s a good place to leave it.
[1:19:30 – 1:19:32] Erik: It’s been a marathon.
[1:19:32 – 1:19:33] Erik: I got to go get some sun.
[1:19:33 – 1:19:36] Erik: We’ve missed out on the most beautiful part of the day.
[1:19:38 – 1:19:41] Erik: We’ve been recording for almost three hours straight.
[1:19:42 – 1:19:45] Erik: I mean, this was over the course of two weeks.
[1:19:46 – 1:19:49] Adam: But still, when you think of it that way, it’s true.
[1:19:49 – 1:19:50] Adam: Yeah, it is.
[1:19:50 – 1:19:52] Adam: Anyways, I need a new beer.
[1:19:52 – 1:19:54] Adam: I got to get outside and stretch these legs.
[1:19:54 – 1:19:57] Erik: Yeah, it would have been an insane podcast to happen all at once.
[1:19:57 – 1:19:58] Erik: Rivers, what do you know?
[1:19:59 – 1:20:01] Erik: I took two episodes.
[1:20:01 – 1:20:05] Adam: The one I’ve got circled here on my notes, I have two things circled.
[1:20:05 – 1:20:07] Adam: Moline equals smart.
[1:20:08 – 1:20:10] Adam: And then the Papoose Creek.
[1:20:11 – 1:20:11] Adam: Papoose.
[1:20:11 – 1:20:12] Adam: Which isn’t much of a creek.
[1:20:12 – 1:20:17] Adam: But, you know, if we did that Nina Moose, Gibiani quit.
[1:20:17 – 1:20:18] Adam: We could get up and.
[1:20:18 – 1:20:19] Adam: We could get into.
[1:20:20 – 1:20:21] Adam: We could get over to the Papoose.
[1:20:21 – 1:20:22] Adam: We could sniff the Papoose.
[1:20:22 – 1:20:23] Adam: We could.
[1:20:23 – 1:20:25] Adam: I don’t think we should do that.
[1:20:26 – 1:20:28] Adam: That could get you arrested.
[1:20:28 – 1:20:29] Erik: That might be trouble.
[1:20:29 – 1:20:30] Adam: You’re going to have to bleep that out.
[1:20:31 – 1:20:31] Adam: All right.
[1:20:31 – 1:20:35] Adam: For Tumblehelm, episode 098, River Rankers 2.
[1:20:37 – 1:20:40] Adam: honorable mentions and recommendations from our friends.
[1:20:42 – 1:20:47] Adam: I’m Adam, and I’ve been joined by my very best friend, Eric.
[1:20:47 – 1:20:50] Adam: Thank you for hosting another great recording sesh.
[1:20:51 – 1:20:54] Adam: Let’s go out now that the clouds are coming out and get some fresh air.
[1:20:54 – 1:20:55] Adam: What do you say?
[1:20:55 – 1:20:56] Erik: The sky’s clouded up.
[1:20:56 – 1:20:58] Erik: This has been Captain Ranker.
[1:20:59 – 1:21:01] Erik: Enjoy the rest of your Saturdays.
[1:21:02 – 1:21:06] Adam: Do-do-do, do-do-do, do-do-do.
[1:21:06 – 1:21:08] Adam: Party, party horn, party, party horn.
[1:21:08 – 1:21:12] Adam: Lay a cast door, going over Beaver Dam’s Cabo Michigumi.
[1:21:12 – 1:21:14] Adam: Cabo Michigumi?
[1:21:15 – 1:21:22] Adam: What’s the… What’s the guy… What’s the guy… Shoe Dog.
[1:21:22 – 1:21:23] Adam: Paul Maurice.
[1:21:23 – 1:21:27] Adam: Paul Maurice, the coach of Shoe Dog and his friends.
[1:21:39 – 1:21:39] SPEAKER_02: We reach.
[1:22:19 – 1:22:19] SPEAKER_02: Oh, oh.