274: Morrell 2: I Was Looking into the Gaping Mouth of a Monster

Episode Transcript

[0:00:35 – 0:00:39] Adam: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:39 – 0:00:40] Adam: My name is Adam.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:44] Adam: Joining me here in Studio V with The View is my dear friend Eric.
[0:00:44 – 0:00:45] Adam: Good evening, Eric.
[0:00:46 – 0:01:06] Adam: good evening is this thing on it looks like it’s on i see the blue light tally ho tally ho land ho land ho uh tumble home is a proud independent podcast we are coming to you live with the view and uh the algoma bear is out there somewhere and it’s confused
[0:01:07 – 0:01:11] Erik: Spinning around in circles, is it distress or is it a transducer issue?
[0:01:12 – 0:01:29] Adam: Built in 2024, it’s the newest ship on the Great Lakes And the Indiana Harbor is downbound, hugging the North Shore And we may see its lights before the end of tonight’s episode But tonight we’re not talking about those big boats, oh no They’ll be fine
[0:01:30 – 0:01:31] Adam: They are probably fine.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:38] Adam: We are talking tonight about the Daniel J. Morrell sunk in 1966.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:44] Adam: Before we get to that, though, it was Thanksgiving a few days ago, Eric.
[0:01:44 – 0:01:44] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:45 – 0:01:50] Adam: And just want to give a shout out to all our listeners and especially to our patrons.
[0:01:50 – 0:01:53] Adam: Thank you for your support of Tumble Home and thank you for listening.
[0:01:54 – 0:01:56] Adam: It sure is swell of you to…
[0:01:58 – 0:02:03] Adam: to both be a part of our community and also to listen, most importantly, to download those episodes.
[0:02:03 – 0:02:11] Erik: Yeah, my family, we sat down for, you know, somebody at work today asked me if I celebrated Thanksgiving this year.
[0:02:11 – 0:02:12] Erik: I was like, what?
[0:02:12 – 0:02:13] Erik: I mean, yeah.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:15] Adam: Do you really celebrate it?
[0:02:15 – 0:02:19] Erik: I was a little taken aback by just the phrasing.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:21] Adam: The use of the word celebrate.
[0:02:21 – 0:02:21] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:21 – 0:02:23] Erik: I was like, well, is there…
[0:02:23 – 0:02:24] Erik: I mean, I guess, yeah, sure.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:27] Erik: There’s probably people who are just, eh, it’s any other day or whatever.
[0:02:27 – 0:02:28] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:29] Erik: But it’s…
[0:02:29 – 0:02:31] Erik: Yes, I did celebrate it.
[0:02:31 – 0:02:36] Erik: And we all sat down and went around and talked about what we were most thankful for.
[0:02:37 – 0:02:43] Erik: And number one, a number one for me was the listeners to my podcast.
[0:02:43 – 0:02:43] Adam: Number one.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:46] Adam: And jazz music.
[0:02:46 – 0:02:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:02:47 – 0:02:48] Adam: And two, jazz music.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:49] Adam: Number two, jazz.
[0:02:49 – 0:02:51] Adam: Three, big boats.
[0:02:51 – 0:02:54] Erik: And then everybody here at this table.
[0:02:54 – 0:02:55] Adam: Oh, that’s nice.
[0:02:55 – 0:02:56] Adam: You guys made the top five.
[0:02:56 – 0:03:00] Adam: Yeah, you guys made the top five.
[0:03:00 – 0:03:06] Adam: Next week on Tumble Home, we will be talking about feasts, and I’m sure everybody had a good feast on Thursday, or at least I hope you did.
[0:03:07 – 0:03:07] Erik: I hope you did, too.
[0:03:07 – 0:03:13] Adam: I ate three different kinds of pie, and maybe we’ll talk about that.
[0:03:13 – 0:03:15] Adam: We might talk about how much fish I’ve eaten this month.
[0:03:16 – 0:03:18] Adam: That’s next week on Feast Chat Part 1.
[0:03:18 – 0:03:28] Erik: Yeah, so if you haven’t gotten in to the subreddit and responding to the question of the week, there is still one more week to do so.
[0:03:29 – 0:03:41] Erik: Or, tumblehomecast at gmail.com picks long-form paragraphs upon paragraphs of regalings, of feast descriptions.
[0:03:42 – 0:03:43] Erik: Greatly appreciated.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:44] Erik: Not required.
[0:03:44 – 0:03:51] Erik: Sounds like we got our work cut out for us based on the number of comments I can already see every time I scroll by that.
[0:03:51 – 0:03:52] Erik: I haven’t clicked in yet.
[0:03:53 – 0:03:53] Erik: I haven’t clicked in.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:54] Erik: No, no.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:58] Erik: Every time I go by, I think we’re in the 40s now in terms of comments.
[0:04:00 – 0:04:06] Erik: We’ll have to maybe bring our own feast of liquids to the table on that night.
[0:04:06 – 0:04:07] Erik: A feast of liquids.
[0:04:07 – 0:04:09] Erik: To keep the throats nice.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:12] Adam: I’ll pull the biggest box out of the crawl space.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:13] Adam: There you go.
[0:04:13 – 0:04:14] Adam: For that one.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:15] Adam: Perfect.
[0:04:15 – 0:04:20] Adam: We do have a sponsor tonight, and this one was not put into the crawl space.
[0:04:20 – 0:04:25] Adam: I just put this one in the house fridge for a couple days to make sure it hadn’t froze on us.
[0:04:25 – 0:04:25] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:25 – 0:04:26] Adam: It’s quite cold out there.
[0:04:27 – 0:04:32] Erik: We had our beer lines today at the restaurant freezing.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:32] Erik: No way.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:04:33 – 0:04:36] Erik: I was like, oh, we should probably plug in that heat tape, huh?
[0:04:36 – 0:04:39] Adam: Do you have heat tape on the beer lines?
[0:04:39 – 0:04:39] Adam: Of course.
[0:04:39 – 0:04:41] Adam: Well, you know.
[0:04:41 – 0:04:42] Adam: That’s very Cook County.
[0:04:44 – 0:04:44] Adam: Yikes.
[0:04:44 – 0:04:46] Adam: Yeah, no, it’s blustery out.
[0:04:46 – 0:04:52] Adam: We all went down to the parade and tree lighting last night, and it was quite awful in the harbor.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:53] Adam: It was wickedly.
[0:04:54 – 0:05:05] Adam: wickedly blustering nobody stuck around for the fireworks my god i was like wait they’re letting out fireworks i didn’t even realize i didn’t even remember this being a thing yeah they should have just started those before the parade yeah
[0:05:07 – 0:05:07] Adam: Got a note.
[0:05:08 – 0:05:08] Erik: Oh, there is a note.
[0:05:09 – 0:05:10] Erik: It’s just to you, though, apparently.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:12] Adam: Yeah, these art supplies are from me.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:14] Erik: From two dudes.
[0:05:14 – 0:05:18] Adam: This is from two dudes is what it says on the bag, and that’s what it was listed as on the whiteboard.
[0:05:18 – 0:05:19] Adam: I’m a dude.
[0:05:19 – 0:05:20] Adam: This came in in September.
[0:05:20 – 0:05:21] Adam: Nice.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:22] Adam: Yeah, it’s for the dudes.
[0:05:22 – 0:05:24] Adam: Looks like September 10th.
[0:05:25 – 0:05:27] Adam: No, it is for both of us, though.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:28] Adam: Okay.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:29] Adam: It’s got some coloring on here.
[0:05:29 – 0:05:30] Adam: Eric and Adam.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:31] Adam: Spelled correctly.
[0:05:31 – 0:05:32] Adam: Thank you.
[0:05:32 – 0:05:34] Adam: Thank you for all you do for the paddling community.
[0:05:34 – 0:05:35] Adam: Love the show.
[0:05:35 – 0:05:37] Adam: Adam, congrats on the new edition.
[0:05:37 – 0:05:40] Adam: Threw in an energy and THC sucky treat for you.
[0:05:42 – 0:05:43] Adam: Sucky treat?
[0:05:43 – 0:05:43] Adam: Okay.
[0:05:44 – 0:05:44] Adam: Am I reading that right?
[0:05:45 – 0:05:45] Adam: Eric.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:49] Adam: Oh, we got an NA and NA option depending on where you’re at when you get this.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:51] Erik: All right.
[0:05:52 – 0:05:52] Adam: Okay.
[0:05:54 – 0:05:56] Adam: Annual group trip of dads in the neighborhood.
[0:05:57 – 0:06:00] Adam: Headed up the Gunflint and following your Frost River route.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:00] Adam: There you go.
[0:06:01 – 0:06:01] Adam: Love.
[0:06:01 – 0:06:02] Adam: The Sack Daddies.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:03] Adam: Sack Daddies.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:04] Adam: From Plymouth, Minnesota.
[0:06:05 – 0:06:06] Adam: Thank you, Sack Daddies.
[0:06:06 – 0:06:08] Erik: Nice.
[0:06:08 – 0:06:10] Erik: Woke up in the Hudson River in a sack.
[0:06:11 – 0:06:11] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:16] Adam: All right, let’s just pull them all out of here and see what we got ourselves into.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:17] Adam: Uh-oh.
[0:06:17 – 0:06:18] Erik: 10 milligram.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:19] Adam: Smaezy juice.
[0:06:20 – 0:06:20] Adam: Hold on.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:21] Adam: We’ll just get them out.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:22] Erik: Oh, I’ve had one of these before.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:23] Erik: It’s been a while.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:25] Erik: Damn, I haven’t seen one of these in a long time.
[0:06:26 – 0:06:27] Erik: Hey, a Montucky cold snack.
[0:06:27 – 0:06:28] Erik: Functional energy.
[0:06:29 – 0:06:32] Erik: What’s the, uh, the Stryrecrinsol?
[0:06:32 – 0:06:33] Adam: No, no, that was the…
[0:06:33 – 0:06:34] Adam: It’s the adaptogens.
[0:06:34 – 0:06:36] Adam: The adaptogens.
[0:06:36 – 0:06:37] Adam: The flow zone.
[0:06:37 – 0:06:39] Adam: Yeah, you want to get your flow state.
[0:06:39 – 0:06:40] Adam: You need your flow state.
[0:06:40 – 0:06:43] Adam: We got two Montucky cold snacks with the horse on there.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:47] Adam: Beautiful light refreshments from Montucky.
[0:06:48 – 0:06:49] Adam: Montucky.
[0:06:49 – 0:06:50] Adam: What do we got here?
[0:06:50 – 0:06:53] Adam: This is the Smazy Juice Concord Grape.
[0:06:53 – 0:06:56] Erik: Yeah, and I got a pace dragon fruit drink.
[0:06:56 – 0:06:57] Erik: Dragonberry?
[0:06:57 – 0:06:58] Adam: Functional energy.
[0:06:58 – 0:07:00] Adam: This is from Lupulin.
[0:07:00 – 0:07:01] Adam: Lupulin?
[0:07:01 – 0:07:02] Adam: We’ve had their beer before.
[0:07:02 – 0:07:03] Adam: We have.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:05] Adam: This is a 10 MG. Watch out.
[0:07:06 – 0:07:07] Adam: Watch out.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:10] Adam: We’ll save that one for the second half.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:11] Adam: Eh?
[0:07:11 – 0:07:12] Adam: Sack boys?
[0:07:12 – 0:07:13] Erik: Sure, eh?
[0:07:15 – 0:07:17] Adam: Papa needs a smazy juice.
[0:07:18 – 0:07:19] Adam: Is that saying smazy?
[0:07:19 – 0:07:20] Adam: Am I reading that right?
[0:07:20 – 0:07:22] Erik: It does say smazy.
[0:07:22 – 0:07:22] Erik: Smazy?
[0:07:23 – 0:07:25] Adam: Papa needs a smazzy juice.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:26] Adam: Thank you for the note.
[0:07:26 – 0:07:27] Adam: What’s the sucky treat?
[0:07:28 – 0:07:29] Adam: I guess that’s the sucky treat.
[0:07:29 – 0:07:30] Adam: It must say smazy.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:32] Adam: There’s no way it actually says sucky treat.
[0:07:32 – 0:07:35] Erik: We’re going to double check this.
[0:07:35 – 0:07:35] Adam: Okay.
[0:07:35 – 0:07:37] Adam: There’s an energy and THC.
[0:07:38 – 0:07:40] Adam: I’m pretty sure it says sucky treat for you.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:41] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:07:41 – 0:07:42] Erik: I’ll check the notes here myself.
[0:07:44 – 0:08:06] Adam: your handwriting is beautiful sack boys uh it’s me i’m the problem and uh it’s clearly smazzy juice but uh i’m gonna suck it down in the second half of this show and i can guarantee it yeah i’m going with sucky as well even though it could could maybe be something else but i don’t know what else it would be once got concord grapes you do want to just suck it down
[0:08:07 – 0:08:09] Erik: Thanks, Plymouth, Minnesota.
[0:08:09 – 0:08:10] Erik: Heck yeah.
[0:08:10 – 0:08:11] Erik: Sack Daddy’s.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:13] Erik: That’s without a K. Yeah, it is.
[0:08:13 – 0:08:14] Erik: Like Sack Bay.
[0:08:17 – 0:08:17] Adam: Did you…
[0:08:17 – 0:08:18] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:08:18 – 0:08:20] Adam: You’re not on the Discord enough to see that.
[0:08:21 – 0:08:23] Adam: Or did I send a text to you about how I found…
[0:08:24 – 0:08:24] Adam: I saw some…
[0:08:25 – 0:08:26] Adam: I saw something online.
[0:08:26 – 0:08:31] Adam: It was somebody with the name Erica, but it was spelled Air Wrecker.
[0:08:31 – 0:08:32] Adam: Like air wreck disaster.
[0:08:32 – 0:08:33] Erik: You sent me the text message.
[0:08:34 – 0:08:35] Adam: I have seen it spelled many ways.
[0:08:36 – 0:08:37] Adam: I’ve never seen it spelled.
[0:08:37 – 0:08:39] Adam: Nobody’s ever misspelled your name that badly.
[0:08:39 – 0:08:45] Erik: A-I-R-W-R-E-C-K. That’s about as phonetic as it gets, I think.
[0:08:45 – 0:08:52] Adam: Yeah, welcome to Shipwrecks, Great Lakes Ship Disaster Podcast.
[0:08:54 – 0:08:58] Adam: My name is Adam Wreck, and I’m joined here with Air Wreck.
[0:08:58 – 0:08:59] Adam: No, I’m Sea Wreck.
[0:09:00 – 0:09:01] Adam: Sea Wreck and Air Wreck?
[0:09:01 – 0:09:04] Adam: I’m Sea Wreck, joined here by my dear friend Air Wreck.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:12] Erik: I mean, it does speak to our preferred forms of death that we’ve both spoken about.
[0:09:12 – 0:09:14] Erik: See, it all comes together in the end.
[0:09:14 – 0:09:14] Erik: It all comes together.
[0:09:16 – 0:09:18] Erik: I promise these aren’t frozen.
[0:09:18 – 0:09:20] Adam: They were properly cared for.
[0:09:21 – 0:09:23] Adam: Anybody else who’s donated to the show, don’t worry.
[0:09:24 – 0:09:31] Adam: We have it charted on the whiteboard, and they are safely supplied in the art crawl space.
[0:09:32 – 0:09:34] Adam: Temperature and climate controlled.
[0:09:35 – 0:09:37] Adam: They are in order in a large box down there.
[0:09:38 – 0:09:42] Adam: For the feast episodes, I’ll go grab a couple big feasters.
[0:09:43 – 0:09:43] Erik: Cheers.
[0:09:44 – 0:09:44] Erik: Cheers.
[0:09:48 – 0:10:07] Erik: Yeah, we don’t need to get into too many of the details, but one of the posts on the subreddit is the ever-growing, might be a three-party destruction of Long Island or Cherokee Lake tumblehomey trip that is getting pieced together.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:11] Adam: I guess I didn’t see on there.
[0:10:11 – 0:10:12] Adam: It’s also being discussed on Discord.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:14] Adam: Have you pledged your allegiance?
[0:10:14 – 0:10:14] Adam: Yes.
[0:10:14 – 0:10:16] Erik: I have not pledged my allegiance.
[0:10:16 – 0:10:18] Erik: My allegiance was previously pledged.
[0:10:18 – 0:10:27] Erik: I think we spoke last week about my South Shore journey with some friends who we brought into Quetico.
[0:10:27 – 0:10:28] Erik: We broke their…
[0:10:28 – 0:10:30] Erik: I’m not going to go there, actually.
[0:10:30 – 0:10:30] Erik: Don’t do it.
[0:10:30 – 0:10:33] Erik: I’m just going to say we went to Quetico together.
[0:10:33 – 0:10:34] Erik: It was their first time.
[0:10:36 – 0:10:37] Erik: They heard a lot of loons.
[0:10:37 – 0:10:42] Erik: Yeah, and I think when I discussed it, it was one of those trips, just not enough time.
[0:10:43 – 0:10:45] Erik: Five days, kind of got up there.
[0:10:45 – 0:10:48] Erik: You got one windbound day, turned into an out and back.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:51] Erik: But boy, oh boy, were their palates a-wetted.
[0:10:51 – 0:10:52] Adam: I bet.
[0:10:53 – 0:10:53] Adam: W-H.
[0:10:53 – 0:10:54] Adam: Wet.
[0:10:54 – 0:10:55] Adam: Whetstone.
[0:10:55 – 0:10:57] Erik: And so they are…
[0:10:58 – 0:10:58] Erik: They have…
[0:10:59 – 0:11:08] Erik: Already dropped the interest in a next late summer, early fall, 10 to 15 day Quetico trip.
[0:11:08 – 0:11:13] Erik: And so it kind of depends on what dates will work out with those fine folks.
[0:11:13 – 0:11:13] Erik: Right on.
[0:11:14 – 0:11:16] Erik: That’s taking the priority at this point.
[0:11:17 – 0:11:17] Erik: I would love to.
[0:11:18 – 0:11:22] Adam: We’ve got plenty of time until the Tumble Homey trip.
[0:11:22 – 0:11:28] Erik: Yeah, I could just, you know, do the old back in the day solo pop in, try and find you.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:29] Erik: Maybe not.
[0:11:29 – 0:11:32] Adam: There’s only so many campsites on Long Island and Carl.
[0:11:33 – 0:11:34] Erik: So I am interested.
[0:11:34 – 0:11:39] Erik: I cannot, unfortunately, fully commit myself.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:41] Erik: I’d love to.
[0:11:41 – 0:11:43] Erik: And yeah, hopefully it works out.
[0:11:43 – 0:11:44] Adam: I think it’s going to work out for me.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:46] Adam: I got nothing on the calendar right now.
[0:11:46 – 0:11:47] Adam: I got full clearance.
[0:11:48 – 0:11:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:49 – 0:11:51] Adam: I think it’s going to be good timing for me.
[0:11:51 – 0:11:52] Adam: So I’m pumped.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:55] Erik: I think I’ll be there.
[0:11:55 – 0:11:57] Adam: I’ve never gotten to camp on Long Island.
[0:11:58 – 0:11:59] Adam: Actually, that’s not true.
[0:11:59 – 0:12:04] Adam: Me and Natalie stayed on the south part of Long Island at the beach site before our trip down the Frost River.
[0:12:05 – 0:12:09] Erik: There’s great fishing right out in front of that campsite too, but not from shore.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:14] Erik: You got to come up side up with a canoe, real nice and tight.
[0:12:14 – 0:12:15] Erik: So it did stay at night.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:19] Adam: But yeah, that’s right where the Gordon River.
[0:12:19 – 0:12:20] Adam: The Gordon River.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:27] Adam: I think it’s the Long Island River, technically, heads out going south towards Cherokee.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:36] Erik: It is all very exciting and there is – it’s one of those things you don’t really even notice it until maybe it’s –
[0:12:39 – 0:12:40] Erik: reinvigorated in you.
[0:12:41 – 0:12:50] Erik: And I don’t know, maybe it’s just been like the weird way I’ve lived my life for so long where summers have always just been like, no, this is a tourist community.
[0:12:51 – 0:12:55] Erik: You just got to work as hard as humanly possible and do nothing for four months straight.
[0:12:56 – 0:12:56] Adam: Grind.
[0:12:56 – 0:13:01] Erik: I did that for 15 years and I’m still trying to figure out how not to do that.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:07] Erik: But I think I’m finally to a point where also not leaving for winter will help.
[0:13:08 – 0:13:15] Erik: I’m actually looking forward to maybe having a little bit more time during the summer months next year.
[0:13:15 – 0:13:25] Erik: And the excitement that goes into planning a trip even this far out is really, I mean, talk about top fives.
[0:13:25 – 0:13:28] Erik: Got to be in the top five of reasons to keep living.
[0:13:28 – 0:13:29] Adam: Absolutely.
[0:13:29 – 0:13:30] Adam: Yeah, that one makes the top five too.
[0:13:30 – 0:13:31] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:32] Adam: Thankful for trip planning.
[0:13:32 – 0:13:33] Erik: Yes.
[0:13:34 – 0:13:34] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:34 – 0:13:38] Adam: So yeah, I’ve never really gotten to enjoy my time on Long Island.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:42] Adam: Like we just got in there late and set up camp and then left as soon as possible the next morning.
[0:13:42 – 0:13:45] Erik: Yeah, didn’t you get, that was the, you got zapped that day, didn’t you?
[0:13:45 – 0:13:46] Adam: I was pretty tuckered out.
[0:13:46 – 0:13:53] Adam: Like I didn’t want to necessarily stop there, but we were just like, we’re going to just stop here, get a good meal in and relax.
[0:13:53 – 0:13:56] Adam: And then we’ll, we can, we can head from here to Bologna.
[0:13:56 – 0:13:59] Adam: At least by then we knew we were within range of Bologna.
[0:13:59 – 0:13:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:59 – 0:14:00] Adam: But it was like, let’s just stop.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:02] Adam: Why are we, there’s no need to push on at this point.
[0:14:02 – 0:14:07] Erik: I believe that day into Long Island is where… Zapped.
[0:14:08 – 0:14:11] Erik: Here’s the Wikipedia entry right now, free.
[0:14:11 – 0:14:14] Erik: You can add zapped, and you even got a day that it happened.
[0:14:15 – 0:14:25] Adam: Yeah, it’s our first day of whatever episode that was, 13 or early on when we talked about it, when Natalie and I went to the Frost River.
[0:14:25 – 0:14:45] Adam: yeah that was a hot yeah our goal i think was to go all the way to frost or something but it was really hot and by the time we got down there it’s like yeah we gotta stop day one packs yeah and uh missing link portage i was just gunning those are sneaky um yeah those first couple partages are pretty sneaky even going that way out of missing link and into snipe and then
[0:14:46 – 0:14:49] Adam: Yeah, lunch on rib, blasted through there.
[0:14:49 – 0:14:56] Adam: And then when you and I went through there, we stayed on snipe and then blasted right through Long Island down the Frost River.
[0:14:56 – 0:15:01] Adam: And then I’ve also gone through with you on the backside of Long Island, like coming out of Banadad.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:02] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:26] Erik: sabaka the cave ross sebaka chain sebaka and then up the up the that was really nasty portage up into muskeg he has it up to muskeg and then on your way over to lake yeah i think we mentioned that one in uh bad the bad portages series the uh long island up to muskeg is just like uh that one’s rough
[0:15:26 – 0:15:36] Erik: It’s like those videos you see occasionally online where it’s like, this is what it’s like for me to walk to work in some city you’ve never heard of in China that has like 4 billion people living in it.
[0:15:36 – 0:15:39] Erik: And it’s just him climbing like 80 steps of stairs.
[0:15:39 – 0:15:39] Erik: Oof.
[0:15:40 – 0:15:42] Erik: So that portage is like straight uphill.
[0:15:42 – 0:15:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:42 – 0:15:44] Adam: There’s no seeing stars by the top.
[0:15:45 – 0:15:54] Adam: So, yeah, it’ll be a real treat to go with some tumble homies and actually just set up and spend some time and, you know, enjoy Long Island.
[0:15:54 – 0:15:56] Erik: Enjoy Long Island, yeah.
[0:15:56 – 0:15:57] Adam: Figure out, is Carl its own thing?
[0:15:58 – 0:16:00] Adam: Yeah, do you finally get to the bottom of it?
[0:16:01 – 0:16:02] Adam: I want to go through the Carl Narrows.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:04] Adam: You know what I mean?
[0:16:05 – 0:16:06] Erik: Yeah, don’t take the shortcut portage.
[0:16:07 – 0:16:10] Erik: Or at least stop, see if those fishing poles are still leaning up against that tree.
[0:16:10 – 0:16:12] Adam: Yeah, I want to do the whole circuit.
[0:16:12 – 0:16:15] Adam: I want to do the full circuit of Duke Carl.
[0:16:15 – 0:16:16] Erik: Tour de Carl?
[0:16:17 – 0:16:20] Adam: I want to go through the Carl Narrows with Phasmata.
[0:16:20 – 0:16:22] Adam: I don’t like the sound of that, though.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:23] Erik: Carl with a K?
[0:16:24 – 0:16:28] Adam: Yeah, I don’t like Carl with a K either, but I do like Carl Lake.
[0:16:28 – 0:16:29] Adam: You don’t have to camp on it.
[0:16:30 – 0:16:34] Adam: No, you can pass through Carl, but you’ve got to stay on Long Island.
[0:16:34 – 0:16:35] Erik: Well, don’t get your hopes up.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:38] Erik: That’s where the magic happens.
[0:16:39 – 0:16:40] Adam: Oh, excuse me.
[0:16:40 – 0:16:41] Adam: The Carl Narrows.
[0:16:42 – 0:16:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:42 – 0:16:42] Erik: You know me.
[0:16:42 – 0:16:48] Erik: I’ll just, I’ll be on the fence right up until the trip happens and then I probably won’t go.
[0:16:49 – 0:16:49] Adam: You’ll be there.
[0:16:50 – 0:16:50] Adam: Mark it.
[0:16:51 – 0:16:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:53 – 0:16:55] Erik: I’ll just lurk like I lurk on Discord.
[0:16:55 – 0:16:56] Erik: I’ll be in the area.
[0:16:56 – 0:16:57] Erik: I’ll be checking in.
[0:16:57 – 0:16:58] Adam: I’ll be sniffing it out.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:01] Adam: All righty.
[0:17:01 – 0:17:04] Adam: I do have a bird of the day, and then it’s time to get back into shipwrecks, I think.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:07] Adam: The sun is setting here over the big lake.
[0:17:08 – 0:17:12] Adam: Here in Studio V with some ominous clouds and…
[0:17:13 – 0:17:19] Adam: Just a bit of steady northwest wind here for three days and probably another three days of steady northwest wind.
[0:17:19 – 0:17:20] Adam: Yep.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:23] Adam: Bird of the day, the goldfinch, Eric.
[0:17:24 – 0:17:24] Adam: Still around.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:26] Adam: They’re all over the feeder.
[0:17:26 – 0:17:29] Adam: I put out a bird feeder finally.
[0:17:29 – 0:17:29] Adam: Nice.
[0:17:30 – 0:17:33] Adam: And then I realized it needed a roof because it snowed a bit.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:43] Adam: And actually, we do have, this is not an official snow log, but we got five inches on the official snow log right now at the house up there by the tumble shed.
[0:17:43 – 0:17:44] Adam: Yep.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:47] Adam: And then I had to clear it off and put fresh seed out there.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:50] Adam: And I was like, you know what this bird feeder needs, which it needs a roof.
[0:17:51 – 0:17:53] Adam: I don’t even know if it’s a bird feeder now with a roof.
[0:17:54 – 0:17:57] Adam: It’s literally just a hunk of wood that I’ve affixed to the railing out on the porch.
[0:17:58 – 0:17:58] Adam: That’s a roof?
[0:17:58 – 0:18:00] Adam: And covered in bird seed.
[0:18:00 – 0:18:03] Adam: So now I put a little roof on it right before I came over here tonight.
[0:18:03 – 0:18:03] Adam: Perfect.
[0:18:04 – 0:18:07] Adam: The goldfinch are very pleased with the roof.
[0:18:07 – 0:18:08] Erik: Good.
[0:18:08 – 0:18:09] Adam: Yeah, they’re really cute.
[0:18:09 – 0:18:10] Erik: I hope it gets put to use.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:15] Adam: Only gotten four birds so far.
[0:18:15 – 0:18:17] Adam: Goldfinch is the best so far.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:21] Erik: I mostly meant out of providing shelter.
[0:18:21 – 0:18:22] Erik: Oh, snow cover, yeah.
[0:18:22 – 0:18:25] Erik: Yes, from the onslaught of snow.
[0:18:25 – 0:18:28] Adam: It’s just supposed to keep snowing basically every day.
[0:18:28 – 0:18:29] Adam: We’re in a rhythm here.
[0:18:29 – 0:18:31] Adam: Ryan Hall, y’all, says we’re in a trot.
[0:18:32 – 0:18:37] Adam: There’s a classic winter pattern occurring here, and it’s going to just continue well into December.
[0:18:38 – 0:19:01] Adam: the likes of which he hasn’t seen since he started his youtube channel yeah you know i’ve seen the same video yes and i’m pumped it sounds like we’re just gonna be getting a steady amount of snow and it’s just sort of been snowing on and off for days at this point but yeah very light snow but yeah we did get one nice accumulation there that required some shoveling and uh it’s beautiful out there you know just beautiful with snow everywhere so
[0:19:02 – 0:19:04] Adam: Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.
[0:19:04 – 0:19:09] Adam: It was snowing when the Daniel J. Murrell split in half and all those men died.
[0:19:10 – 0:19:11] Erik: It’s a perfect transition.
[0:19:12 – 0:19:14] Erik: This is why we get paid the big bucks.
[0:19:14 – 0:19:17] Adam: Yeah, what a segue.
[0:19:17 – 0:19:21] Adam: Bird of the Day, Goldfinch, and now we’re back to talking about the death.
[0:19:22 – 0:19:24] Erik: The frozen tragedy, as it were.
[0:19:25 – 0:19:35] Adam: This is, of course, all based on the Michael Schumacher book, Split in Two, which came out in 2016.
[0:19:38 – 0:19:41] Adam: And we’re going to pick right back up where we started in part one.
[0:19:41 – 0:19:46] Adam: Go back, obviously, and listen to part one, episode 273 of Tumble Home.
[0:19:47 – 0:19:53] Adam: Before you go any further, no spoilers, but everybody dies except for Dennis Hale.
[0:19:54 – 0:20:16] Adam: yeah in his pea coat um but uh when we last left you uh they were not able to fire off an sos nobody knows they’re in trouble uh dennis hale is awoken by a loud series of bangs in which his books all fly off the shelf and he is only able to wrangle his pea coat yes and uh and a life jacket thankfully and make his way out to the deck of the ship
[0:20:17 – 0:20:20] Adam: Which the captain told them, much like in the first episode of Lost, that nobody knows we’re missing.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:21] Adam: We’re off course.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:23] Adam: We should never have been out in this storm.
[0:20:24 – 0:20:24] Adam: And that is where we left it.
[0:20:25 – 0:20:30] Erik: Yeah, like the Ska kids back in the day used to say, pick it up.
[0:20:30 – 0:20:31] Adam: Pick it up.
[0:20:31 – 0:20:31] Adam: Here we go.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:35] Adam: The morale finally split into two pieces.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:42] Adam: Without power or the ability to direct her course, the bow section was tossed about by seas that were now topping at 25 feet or better.
[0:20:43 – 0:20:46] Adam: A wintry mix of ice, rain, and snow pelted the men on the raft.
[0:20:46 – 0:20:48] Adam: All they could do was hold on and wait for the inevitable.
[0:20:49 – 0:20:50] Adam: It would not be long.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:59] Adam: Water flooded into the split open cargo hold, weighing down the torn forward section from the back, lifting the boat’s bow high in the air.
[0:21:00 – 0:21:03] Adam: The stern portion of the morale was in an entirely different story.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:14] Adam: Still under power and holding an even keel in the water, the gigantic aft section had become a battering ram, slamming into the bow, driving it forward, then slamming it again.
[0:21:14 – 0:21:15] Erik: Wow.
[0:21:16 – 0:21:20] Adam: The stern works its way to the side of the bow until it was almost perpendicular to the other half.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:24] Adam: The two sections separated, the bow pushed by the waves, drifting away.
[0:21:25 – 0:21:29] Adam: Then, to the horror of those on the raft, the stern made a run towards the bow.
[0:21:30 – 0:21:35] Adam: From where they sat, the men on the raft could see deep into the cargo hold of the vessel now charging toward them.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:42] Adam: Since they were low in the water, they were in danger of being crushed if the stern section rode over the bow’s deck.
[0:21:44 – 0:21:50] Adam: Quote, For my perch on the raft I was staring into the open maw of the cargo hold, Hale would recall.
[0:21:51 – 0:21:59] Adam: The clouds of steam swirling around the cargo lights were a glimpse of hell, and I felt I was looking into the gaping mouth of a monster that was about to devour me.
[0:22:02 – 0:22:03] Erik: That sounds terrifying.
[0:22:03 – 0:22:16] Adam: You know, you asked last week what’s the difference between the story of this shipwreck and that of the Edmund Fitzgerald, being that there was a survivor, is that you get the detail level of that.
[0:22:16 – 0:22:24] Adam: Schumacher can at best guess what the final moments of the Edmund Fitzgerald were like, and I think he did a very good job of doing that, but…
[0:22:25 – 0:22:41] Adam: When you have a primary source and a survivor with Dennis Hale’s story, which he’s written his own book, you get the level of detail of exactly how it came apart and the feeling of those who were on the raft as it was happening.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:42] Erik: Yeah, my God.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:44] Erik: It sounds like it’s very cinematic.
[0:22:45 – 0:22:47] Erik: I mean, I can see it on the big screen.
[0:22:48 – 0:22:56] Erik: Just the freakish juxtaposition of being in a life raft in the water and being able to see into an open…
[0:22:57 – 0:23:18] Adam: the cargo hold and all the lights are on that half are still on yeah yeah like just coming right at you still going like it shouldn’t be going why is it going it’s like a scary movie where the villain should have been dead like yeah and but there they keep coming yeah and just the amount of like steam and crazy like exposed wiring and it sounds crazy
[0:23:18 – 0:23:28] Adam: Yeah, Hale’s descriptions of the event and what is to transpire after the ship is sunk are very eloquent.
[0:23:29 – 0:23:34] Erik: Yeah, I wonder if that was something that was in him or if it was the moment that created it.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:35] Erik: Interesting question.
[0:23:35 – 0:23:35] Adam: You know?
[0:23:36 – 0:23:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:45] Erik: The moment was just so insane that it created, like, it’s impossible to not sound eloquent because of what I saw.
[0:23:45 – 0:23:47] Adam: Describing something so inexplicable.
[0:23:47 – 0:23:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:47 – 0:23:51] Adam: And however you put it, it’s going to sound eloquent and insightful.
[0:23:51 – 0:23:59] Adam: And it was because he was able to basically help immensely, like, just having him survive, like, made their investigation.
[0:23:59 – 0:24:01] Adam: um, much easier.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:11] Adam: Plus, as we mentioned in part one, two, there was a sister ship, which is still at this moment in the story, 14 miles, give or take behind them also heading North into the same storm.
[0:24:11 – 0:24:24] Adam: And they were able to examine that ship, which was built to the same exact specs within one, they’re one foot longer, but essentially the same exact boat in the same seas with the same amount of like lifespan on its, you know, on its vessel.
[0:24:24 – 0:24:25] Adam: Um,
[0:24:25 – 0:24:32] Adam: So they had those two advantages in, like, solving the riddle a bit more, but that’s how they knew exactly how it came apart.
[0:24:32 – 0:24:34] Adam: Crazy.
[0:24:34 – 0:24:40] Adam: Hale and three other men managed to make it onto the life raft after they were pitched into the sea.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:45] Adam: So they got four of them onto that life raft, which is just, like, a couple barrels with some 2x4s attached.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:46] Adam: That’s right.
[0:24:46 – 0:24:49] Adam: And then, like, a little compartment with a flare gun in it.
[0:24:50 – 0:24:50] Adam: Thank God for that.
[0:24:50 – 0:24:57] Adam: There was also some sort of sea anchor, but the one guy just threw the sea anchor overboard immediately in a panic.
[0:24:57 – 0:24:59] Adam: It would have really helped.
[0:24:59 – 0:25:00] Erik: Oh, it would have helped.
[0:25:00 – 0:25:02] Adam: Stabilize them in the crazy waves.
[0:25:02 – 0:25:04] Erik: It was one of those ones where it’s just like a sock.
[0:25:05 – 0:25:06] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:25:06 – 0:25:13] Adam: Maybe it wouldn’t have really helped all that much, but still, he was in a panic trying to get to the flare gun and just whipped the sea anchor overboard, and they never saw that again.
[0:25:15 – 0:25:20] Adam: Hale did fire two parachute flares, and then the flare gun broke in two promptly.
[0:25:20 – 0:25:47] Adam: promptly uh so they got two flares off and the flare gun broke apart in his hands yeah so this life raft was looking pretty rough i saw a picture of the algoma bear which is the newest boat on the great lakes and it’s got one of those like you know it looks like a emergency pod from like a space station it’s like one of those on the back tower in which you know they can probably enter it from the cabin itself and then like seal the thing and then like launch it off the back
[0:25:48 – 0:25:51] Erik: Is it like one of those crazy bright orange Cap’n Phillips?
[0:25:51 – 0:25:53] Adam: Yes, it’s fully enclosed.
[0:25:53 – 0:25:56] Adam: It’s got communications, batteries, everything you might need.
[0:25:57 – 0:26:01] Adam: You could live in there for a long time and still make it.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:02] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:02 – 0:26:05] Adam: And not be out on a frozen door raft in your boxer shorts.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:08] Erik: Well, he had a peacoat on.
[0:26:08 – 0:26:09] Adam: And the peacoat.
[0:26:10 – 0:26:34] Adam: uh yeah the fire gun broken too like that’s just crazy i think at one point in the story they do talk about how he was like he was able to like sort of like hold it together with his hands to fire off like one more but of course nobody saw them yeah at this point they’re in the water uh hail and three other guys on the raft and as far as he knows everybody else is long gone yeah including all the boys on the back section of the boat which sailed off into the horizon
[0:26:35 – 0:26:59] Erik: that’s crazy um but yeah they as far as they know nobody knows they’re missing at this point that must be a horrible feeling on top of already being sunk yeah on top of already being directly adjacent to freezing cold water and whatever horrible 25 foot waves you’re just like 25 footers trying to be like oh yeah well now we’re in this and nobody knows we’re here get the flare gun
[0:26:59 – 0:27:07] Adam: The men had only to look in the new distance to appreciate the severity of their plight.
[0:27:07 – 0:27:13] Adam: The Morrell’s bow section, now a couple hundred yards away with the raft being blown away from it, was sinking steadily.
[0:27:14 – 0:27:16] Adam: Only a small portion, pointed at the sky, remained afloat.
[0:27:17 – 0:27:20] Adam: Its silhouette was backlit by the still-functioning lights on the stern section.
[0:27:21 – 0:27:26] Adam: The stern, on the other hand, remained steady in the water and was now sailing away from the bow and the raft.
[0:27:27 – 0:27:29] Adam: It had nowhere to go but the bottom of the lake.
[0:27:30 – 0:27:30] Adam: Steady as she goes.
[0:27:32 – 0:27:34] Adam: They just waved at it as it goes.
[0:27:35 – 0:27:35] Adam: I got a map for you.
[0:27:36 – 0:27:38] Adam: I think I actually showed you this map last week.
[0:27:38 – 0:27:42] Adam: But it’s showing the mitten thumb of regular Michigan.
[0:27:43 – 0:27:50] Adam: And there they are off of the Porte Bourgeois and Port Austin and the Port Austin Reef.
[0:27:50 – 0:27:55] Adam: And you can see where the survivor’s raft was found there near Port Austin.
[0:27:56 – 0:28:06] Adam: And then the locations of both the bow and the stern section, which did, I think as we mentioned last week, come to rest quite a far distance from each other.
[0:28:06 – 0:28:08] Erik: Yeah, it looks, I mean, even on that map, they look like they’re far apart.
[0:28:11 – 0:28:15] Adam: I didn’t get the name of the bay last week either.
[0:28:15 – 0:28:18] Adam: It was Saginaw Bay is the name of the big bay.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:33] Adam: Once they got out in front of that, that’s where the trouble began because they started getting crazy waves from two directions, not just the headwind that they had been fighting all their way up Lake Huron, but then all of a sudden they were getting hit with these smokers coming from the west out of Saginaw Bay.
[0:28:33 – 0:28:35] Adam: The Sag Boys, as they call them.
[0:28:35 – 0:28:36] Adam: The Sag Boys.
[0:28:37 – 0:28:40] Adam: Thanks for these delicious Montucky cold snacks.
[0:28:41 – 0:28:43] Adam: My favorite beer to drink on a raft, Eric.
[0:28:44 – 0:28:44] Erik: Yeah, mine too.
[0:28:44 – 0:28:47] Erik: Quilted waffles coming at them.
[0:28:48 – 0:28:49] Adam: Big timers.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:59] Adam: All right, so they’re on the raft.
[0:28:59 – 0:29:02] Adam: This is really happening, basically, is what’s going on here.
[0:29:06 – 0:29:11] Adam: When they first climbed aboard the raft, they had huddled together and talked as a form of mutual encouragement.
[0:29:11 – 0:29:20] Adam: They discussed their chances of being rescued, the odds of their being discovered before morning, and what they would do when they were warm again.
[0:29:21 – 0:29:23] Adam: They fell silent, though, as time passed.
[0:29:23 – 0:29:29] Adam: Hale’s mood swung from supplication and prayer to a desire to die and have his suffering come to an end.
[0:29:29 – 0:29:31] Adam: His bare legs had lost all feeling.
[0:29:31 – 0:29:36] Adam: He tried to help his circulation and generate warmth by stretching and moving his legs and ankles.
[0:29:36 – 0:29:39] Adam: He put his hands in his mouth to keep them from cramping and freezing.
[0:29:40 – 0:29:43] Adam: He urged his crewmates to stay awake.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:47] Adam: In the early hours of the morning, before daybreak, the storm began to subside.
[0:29:48 – 0:30:17] Adam: he quit snowing more and more time passed before between the monster waves and then they ceased altogether the men continued to absorb a terrible punishment from the wind the day broke cloudy and gray with another threat of rain or snow yeah um so they’re in a rough spot but they did make it till morning they did get to see the light of day they made all all four of them on the on the raft uh according to according to dennis and made it to the morning
[0:30:18 – 0:30:20] Erik: And they can’t like, can they see shore?
[0:30:20 – 0:30:25] Erik: There’s not like lights or anything that they can see over on the shoreline.
[0:30:25 – 0:30:30] Adam: They don’t say anything about that, but like once he actually, cause eventually the raft does reach shore.
[0:30:30 – 0:30:32] Adam: Um, but you know, there is, I have a passage on that.
[0:30:33 – 0:30:34] Adam: Okay.
[0:30:34 – 0:30:34] Adam: Um,
[0:30:34 – 0:30:44] Adam: Yeah, they managed to make it on the raft, but John Cleary and Art Stojak actually, according to this, they did die in the night.
[0:30:45 – 0:30:49] Adam: By morning, when morning light broke, he realized them two were dead.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:50] Erik: Just hypothermia?
[0:30:51 – 0:30:54] Adam: Yeah, pretty much, yeah.
[0:30:54 – 0:31:00] Adam: Fuzzy Fassbender and Dennis Hale remained alive, but both men were in very rough shape, and this is about after 12 hours on the raft.
[0:31:01 – 0:31:12] Adam: Fuzzy had suffered serious injuries when being thrown from the ship, and in the afternoon, Fuzzy told Hale he could see land, but he had developed a horrible cough and died soon after, claiming he saw land.
[0:31:13 – 0:31:15] Erik: Just developed a cough in 12 hours?
[0:31:15 – 0:31:16] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:16] Adam: I guess.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:17] Erik: Got him.
[0:31:17 – 0:31:22] Erik: Is the secret to this survival story all going to be based on the peacoat?
[0:31:24 – 0:31:25] Adam: Maybe.
[0:31:25 – 0:31:25] Adam: Just luck.
[0:31:26 – 0:31:30] Adam: They do talk about it, like how if he had been fully clothed, it may have been worse.
[0:31:31 – 0:31:35] Erik: Because he would have been dragged to the bottom?
[0:31:36 – 0:31:39] Adam: No, just somehow would have made his legs even colder.
[0:31:39 – 0:31:41] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:31:42 – 0:31:42] Erik: All right.
[0:31:46 – 0:31:48] Adam: Yeah, his dying words were, I’m going to throw in the sponge.
[0:31:49 – 0:31:50] Erik: What does that mean?
[0:31:51 – 0:31:53] Adam: Quote, I’m going to throw in the sponge.
[0:31:53 – 0:31:58] Adam: And then he made one final attempt to cough and then collapsed lifeless into Hale’s arms.
[0:31:58 – 0:31:59] Erik: Oh, my God.
[0:31:59 – 0:32:01] Erik: I guess it’s sort of like a play on throwing in the towel.
[0:32:01 – 0:32:02] Erik: I guess.
[0:32:02 – 0:32:04] Adam: That’s what you say when you’re soggy and cold.
[0:32:05 – 0:32:06] Adam: I’m throwing in the sponge, Dennis.
[0:32:07 – 0:32:09] Adam: Hale was overwhelmed by a feeling of defeat.
[0:32:10 – 0:32:12] Adam: His fear of being left alone on the raft had come to pass.
[0:32:13 – 0:32:18] Adam: How could he expect to survive when he was surrounded by three friends who had been brought down by hypothermia?
[0:32:18 – 0:32:24] Adam: He was tired, hungry, thirsty, frostbitten, unbearably cold, and dying from exposure.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:26] Adam: Cold water still washed over the sides of the
[0:32:27 – 0:32:31] Adam: though the wind and waves were nowhere near as imposing as they had been the previous evening.
[0:32:32 – 0:32:35] Adam: The raft finally grounded on rocks jutting out of the water.
[0:32:35 – 0:32:42] Adam: The raft, pushed by the wind, swung around, giving Hale a clear view at the shore, which he estimated to be around 200 yards away.
[0:32:43 – 0:32:50] Adam: He saw rocks, trees, and a short distance inland what appeared to be a farmhouse, lights shone from within the structure.
[0:32:51 – 0:32:53] Adam: The raft had come to rest in very shallow water.
[0:32:53 – 0:33:00] Adam: Less than 24 hours ago, Hale could have easily made his way to shore, but he was now too weak to climb off the raft, let alone walk to safety.
[0:33:01 – 0:33:08] Adam: He shouted for help, and when he received no answer, he fired his last remaining flare by somehow holding the gun together.
[0:33:08 – 0:33:09] Erik: Yeah, pressing it all together.
[0:33:09 – 0:33:17] Adam: Fired a flare at the farmhouse, and yeah, they didn’t see it.
[0:33:17 – 0:33:18] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:33:18 – 0:33:20] Adam: They did not see the flare.
[0:33:20 – 0:33:20] Erik: 200 yards.
[0:33:20 – 0:33:24] Erik: So he’s just on some rocks like 200 yards off of the mainland.
[0:33:25 – 0:33:27] Adam: Basically, yeah, like he’s kind of on a rocky point.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:33] Adam: But, yeah, it sounds like there was still water in between them, but he could have made it there if he was in full health.
[0:33:33 – 0:33:35] Erik: Yeah, 200 yards sounds like nothing.
[0:33:35 – 0:33:38] Adam: He probably could have crawled to the farmhouse and knocked on their door at that point.
[0:33:38 – 0:33:39] Adam: But after 12 hours in the sea.
[0:33:40 – 0:33:43] Erik: Yeah, you’re just a skeleton at that point.
[0:33:43 – 0:33:44] Erik: No energy.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:46] Erik: Although thirsty, it’s fresh water.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:48] Adam: Just take a drink.
[0:33:48 – 0:33:54] Adam: There was no response to the flare, and it began snowing again as darkness washed over Lake Huron once again.
[0:33:54 – 0:33:54] Erik: Oh, God.
[0:33:54 – 0:34:00] Adam: So he’s now into the second night, laying within view of a farmhouse, frozen to a raft with three dead buddies.
[0:34:00 – 0:34:02] Erik: It’s the revenant on water?
[0:34:02 – 0:34:03] Adam: Basically, that’s what I got you going here.
[0:34:05 – 0:34:06] Erik: He kept them on the raft, though?
[0:34:07 – 0:34:29] Adam: i guess they didn’t kick him off yeah that’s good i don’t know if it would help or not yeah i guess it’s been a while now since i read that maybe one of the guys had like gotten washed off but yeah i don’t know for sure he’s got the last guy fuzzy fassbender is still on the raft with him yeah i think that all four of them did remain like basically frozen to the raft because they later were like discovered by helicopter which we’ll get to frozen to the raft
[0:34:31 – 0:34:36] Adam: At noon on November 30th, unbeknownst to Hale, Bethlehem’s… That’s today.
[0:34:36 – 0:34:36] Adam: That’s today.
[0:34:36 – 0:34:39] Erik: Can you imagine being out on any of the water?
[0:34:39 – 0:34:43] Adam: We were just complaining about having to be outside for 10 minutes walking the dog today.
[0:34:44 – 0:34:47] Erik: Floating around in a raft with three dead guys on November 30th?
[0:34:48 – 0:34:56] Adam: I walked out on the river ice on the Cadence River this afternoon with Arrow and brought Roni out there and poked a hole in it with the spud bar.
[0:34:56 – 0:34:56] Adam: Oh, nice.
[0:34:56 – 0:34:59] Adam: Got about an inch of good ice and backed slowly away.
[0:35:00 – 0:35:02] Adam: And that took about 15 minutes.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:03] Adam: And I was like, I came in the house.
[0:35:03 – 0:35:04] Adam: I was like, whew.
[0:35:05 – 0:35:05] Adam: Nasty.
[0:35:06 – 0:35:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:07 – 0:35:08] Adam: And that was 15 minutes.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:13] Adam: Yeah, these guys are going on to the second night of trying to survive this.
[0:35:14 – 0:35:15] Adam: But yeah, November 30th.
[0:35:16 – 0:35:24] Adam: Unbeknownst to Hale, Bethlehem Steel called the Coast Guard Rescue Coordination Center in Cleveland and reported the Daniel J. Morell as missing.
[0:35:24 – 0:35:26] Adam: 34 hours had passed since the boat had broken apart.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:35] Adam: Concern over the Morrell’s whereabouts had begun the previous day when the Morrell was required to radio a position report to Bethlehem Steel’s office in Cleveland.
[0:35:36 – 0:35:40] Adam: Art Dobson, the chief dispatcher of the office, had heard from the Townsend.
[0:35:41 – 0:35:45] Adam: The Morrell’s failure to report, while troublesome, did not raise too much concern.
[0:35:45 – 0:35:48] Adam: The Morrell had not reported any problems in previous communications.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:51] Adam: There had been no SOS or other indication of trouble.
[0:35:52 – 0:35:55] Adam: The Townsend, sailing in similar conditions, had come through all right.
[0:35:55 – 0:36:04] Adam: It was possible that the storm had just disabled the Morrell’s radio antenna, that she had ducked out of the storm somewhere and had been unable to report it.
[0:36:05 – 0:36:07] Adam: Freighters were known to go missing in storms.
[0:36:07 – 0:36:14] Adam: Over the years, some had been reported as lost with all hands, only to turn up later when waters had calmed enough to enable them to sail again.
[0:36:15 – 0:36:19] Erik: That’s not a great, uh… That’s not a great…
[0:36:19 – 0:36:21] Erik: I don’t know what the word would be, like, uh…
[0:36:22 – 0:36:44] Erik: protocol or like right to have like a well sometimes they get lost sometimes we find them so when a ship actually is lost yeah they’re like i don’t know we’ll give them another day before we actually start the rescue operation yeah it’s expensive to send up the choppers yeah another day meanwhile denny’s just out there on a horrible chunk of rock with
[0:36:45 – 0:36:54] Erik: frozen buddies around him looking at a farmhouse um this is one of the things that a major change that occurred after this disaster was to not be like well
[0:36:55 – 0:37:02] Adam: Yeah, they made them check in way more often, and then nobody after this was just presumed to be hiding out in a bay somewhere.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:03] Adam: They’ll turn up.
[0:37:03 – 0:37:06] Adam: Surely the Townsend made it, so they’ll be fine.
[0:37:06 – 0:37:08] Erik: Yeah, they’re not just spun around like the Algoma bear.
[0:37:08 – 0:37:09] Erik: I’m sure they’re fine.
[0:37:09 – 0:37:11] Erik: It’s probably a transducer issue.
[0:37:11 – 0:37:12] Adam: Their radio antennas is down.
[0:37:12 – 0:37:13] Adam: They’ll be all right.
[0:37:13 – 0:37:14] Adam: Yeah, they’ll be all right.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:20] Adam: Yeah, so not great that they waited that long to start the operation.
[0:37:20 – 0:37:21] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:37:21 – 0:37:24] Adam: I talked about that last week, too, basically with the Fitzgerald.
[0:37:25 – 0:37:32] Adam: they were like on top of it way more chiefly because the Arthur Anderson was right behind them and reporting it immediately.
[0:37:32 – 0:37:38] Adam: Like, Hey, we think these guys went down and they had, you know, airplane and boats dispatched soon thereafter.
[0:37:38 – 0:37:40] Erik: But there was, I mean, it just went down so fast.
[0:37:40 – 0:37:44] Adam: It wouldn’t have mattered in that case, but yeah, in this case it would have mattered.
[0:37:44 – 0:37:47] Adam: And they were just like, I don’t know, we’ll just wait them out and see what happens.
[0:37:47 – 0:38:05] Erik: Yeah, if you could switch how both of these ships went down and put this… Obviously, you needed this to happen for the change to occur, which is one of the reasons I watch the air crash investigations is because they’re always like, this is what we do now.
[0:38:05 – 0:38:06] Erik: What did we learn from this?
[0:38:06 – 0:38:10] Erik: To improve and keep this from happening ever again.
[0:38:10 – 0:38:14] Erik: It actually brings me inner peace when I fly because I know…
[0:38:14 – 0:38:31] Erik: We are to a point right now where a lot of these issues have been resolved and obviously we, we needed this ship wreck to happen, but it seems like this is the kind of shipwreck that would have been greatly served by its own, what it produced.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:31] Erik: You know what I’m saying?
[0:38:32 – 0:38:40] Erik: Like to get, to actually get the search and rescue out there would have been like, clearly there was at least four guys on a raft here who could have been rescued, but
[0:38:41 – 0:38:49] Erik: It’s sort of like a sick twist of fate where it’s like, all right, we’re going to get out there and we’re going to look for these boats as soon as they seem to have any issues or if they go missing.
[0:38:50 – 0:38:54] Erik: And then when they were ready to do it with the Fitzgerald, there was nobody to save.
[0:38:55 – 0:38:59] Adam: One of the big things they did, they made it so you have to report in more often.
[0:38:59 – 0:39:02] Adam: If they don’t hear from you for a while, you are just presumed to be missing.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:04] Adam: They will initiate the search or whatever.
[0:39:04 – 0:39:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:39:05 – 0:39:11] Adam: But they had a battery to run the general alarm on the ship to wake everybody up and get out, get your peacoats.
[0:39:12 – 0:39:18] Adam: But they didn’t have the ability, once the power had been severed to the pilot house, to send the SOS.
[0:39:18 – 0:39:27] Adam: So one of the changes out of the report at the end was that all freighters going forward need to have a battery backup system for the actual radios themselves.
[0:39:27 – 0:39:45] Adam: on like both ends of the ship front and back so no matter what happens like somebody’s gonna be able to at least fire off an sos unless you just sink like the fitzgerald did like that just in an instant and then they were not able to even do it then but um at least in this case they would have been able to like get an sos off if they just had the batteries wired to like the actual
[0:39:46 – 0:39:48] Adam: and not just the alarm system on the boat.
[0:39:48 – 0:39:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:49 – 0:39:55] Adam: But they didn’t really consider it, even though the Bradley had split in two in 57, 58.
[0:39:55 – 0:39:57] Adam: I got to look that one up.
[0:39:57 – 0:39:58] Adam: I believe it was 58.
[0:40:00 – 0:40:02] Adam: There was, you just mentioned something about like eating.
[0:40:03 – 0:40:05] Adam: Did you say something about eating ice or like?
[0:40:06 – 0:40:09] Erik: No, I mentioned something about drinking because they mentioned that he was thirsty.
[0:40:09 – 0:40:10] Adam: He was thirsty.
[0:40:10 – 0:40:18] Adam: So yeah, there is a section on this because he was like chipping ice off the raft and like eating it because he was so thirsty.
[0:40:20 – 0:40:24] Adam: This is an interesting part and I just have a, I’m just going to talk about it.
[0:40:24 – 0:40:32] Adam: I don’t have the direct quote, but he basically had, what am I hearing?
[0:40:33 – 0:40:34] Adam: Am I hearing a boat?
[0:40:35 – 0:40:35] Erik: No.
[0:40:36 – 0:40:37] Erik: I think I might be.
[0:40:38 – 0:40:39] Adam: He had visions.
[0:40:39 – 0:40:41] Adam: So yeah, he’s been out there a long time.
[0:40:41 – 0:40:47] Adam: He had visions, though, of a man in a white robe who told him to stop eating the ice off his peacoat.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:52] Erik: Yeah, whoever that man was is a wise sage.
[0:40:53 – 0:40:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:40:54 – 0:41:01] Adam: And they later found out if he had continued eating ice, it would have lowered his body temperature to the point of he probably would have died.
[0:41:02 – 0:41:04] Adam: And maybe the other guys were eating too much ice or something.
[0:41:04 – 0:41:09] Adam: For whatever reason, he was visited by some sort of sea angel that told him to stop eating the ice.
[0:41:10 – 0:41:12] Adam: So he just remained thirsty, but it lived.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:15] Erik: Yeah, no, I don’t just, Dad, just eat some snow.
[0:41:15 – 0:41:16] Erik: You’ll be fine.
[0:41:16 – 0:41:18] Erik: No, no, that’s only going to make matters worse.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:23] Adam: He had all sorts of visions out there, and if you’re interested in that stuff, I would recommend you read Hale’s book.
[0:41:23 – 0:41:36] Adam: There’s a little bit more detail in Schumacher’s book, but yeah, he talks a lot about his mental anguish and the visions that he had while on the raft.
[0:41:37 – 0:41:37] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:41:37 – 0:41:41] Erik: I could see myself being interested in that in the right state of mind.
[0:41:41 – 0:41:47] Adam: He had vision specifically of the crew reunited in the morale with both sections of the ship rejoined.
[0:41:48 – 0:41:49] Erik: Feasting?
[0:41:49 – 0:41:50] Adam: They were having a feast.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:51] Erik: I’m sure.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:52] Erik: A nice warm feast.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:53] Adam: A lot of gravy.
[0:41:53 – 0:41:55] Adam: The gravy boat was flowing.
[0:41:55 – 0:41:58] Erik: It’s the opposite of eating ice off of a peacoat.
[0:41:58 – 0:41:59] Erik: It’s just… Gravy.
[0:41:59 – 0:42:00] Erik: Hot gravy.
[0:42:00 – 0:42:01] Adam: Yeah, hot gravy.
[0:42:01 – 0:42:05] Adam: They should have had one of them…
[0:42:06 – 0:42:09] Adam: It’s like the hand warmer thing with the nacho cheese.
[0:42:09 – 0:42:10] Adam: Did I ever tell you my idea for that?
[0:42:10 – 0:42:11] Adam: Yeah.
[0:42:11 – 0:42:14] Adam: So it’s like a big plastic tub like a TV dinner.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:21] Adam: But then when you open up a hand warmer, you take it out of the plastic and it reacts with the air to heat up the hand warmer.
[0:42:22 – 0:42:25] Adam: So you take that out of the plastic and you get hot nacho cheese and chips.
[0:42:26 – 0:42:29] Adam: But you could also have just a tub of gravy with the same setup.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:31] Erik: Without having to microwave it or heat it.
[0:42:31 – 0:42:32] Adam: Exactly.
[0:42:33 – 0:42:35] Adam: Self-contained heated gravy tray.
[0:42:36 – 0:42:40] Adam: So they should have thrown a couple of them in the pack with the sea anchor and the flare gun.
[0:42:40 – 0:42:42] Erik: Yeah, isn’t that like MRE technology?
[0:42:43 – 0:42:46] Erik: Essentially, you just open those things up and they cook themselves somehow.
[0:42:46 – 0:42:51] Adam: I saw something else where it was basically like, it’s like a glow stick, but it’s a corndog.
[0:42:51 – 0:42:55] Adam: You just take it out of the pack and crack it, and then the whole corndog heats up internally.
[0:42:56 – 0:43:15] Adam: yeah and glows yeah you’ll survive the night but you will have long-term radiation poison that was the other thing they changed was they had like all right you guys got to make your rafts better and also include a couple like gravy provisions yeah we can’t have zip-tied barrels as the uh yeah so they got much they got much nicer rafts all equipped with gravy trays after this accident
[0:43:16 – 0:43:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:21] Erik: I mean, that’d be a fun book or deep dive.
[0:43:21 – 0:43:23] Erik: I’m sure it’s out there somewhere.
[0:43:23 – 0:43:28] Erik: It’s just like the timeline of like safety rescue boats.
[0:43:29 – 0:43:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:29 – 0:43:32] Erik: Like even those boats in the Titanic where it’s like, okay, yeah, are we rescued?
[0:43:32 – 0:43:33] Erik: No, you’re just in the…
[0:43:33 – 0:43:39] Erik: Like a larger version of the little like swan boats that they pedal around those lakes in Central Park, New York City.
[0:43:39 – 0:43:40] Adam: They did talk about that.
[0:43:40 – 0:43:42] Adam: Like how like some of the guys were just like to hell with it.
[0:43:43 – 0:43:44] Adam: Like I’m not getting on that raft.
[0:43:44 – 0:43:45] Adam: Yeah, what’s the point?
[0:43:45 – 0:43:45] Adam: We’re done for.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:46] Adam: Yeah, these rafts are comical.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:50] Adam: Like I did reread Mighty Fitz too.
[0:43:50 – 0:43:53] Adam: And even in that, they’re like, were they, they were questioning like people.
[0:43:53 – 0:43:54] Adam: I’m like.
[0:43:54 – 0:43:56] Adam: How often did they train on launching the life rafts?
[0:43:57 – 0:43:59] Adam: And they were just like, once a year maybe.
[0:43:59 – 0:44:02] Adam: And we’d do it in the harbor on a sunny day.
[0:44:02 – 0:44:05] Adam: So by the time anybody ever had to use one, they were just like, that’s pointless.
[0:44:05 – 0:44:06] Adam: We’re not getting in there.
[0:44:06 – 0:44:09] Adam: You’re never going to be able to launch this thing and keep it upright.
[0:44:09 – 0:44:10] Erik: 25-foot waves.
[0:44:10 – 0:44:12] Adam: In the 25-foot waves in November.
[0:44:12 – 0:44:13] Adam: That’s ridiculous.
[0:44:13 – 0:44:14] Adam: If you’re sinking, you’re just done.
[0:44:14 – 0:44:16] Erik: Yeah, get on a Huck Finn raft.
[0:44:16 – 0:44:17] Erik: We’re going to be fine, boys.
[0:44:17 – 0:44:20] Adam: It’s amazing that four guys made it onto this raft to begin with.
[0:44:21 – 0:44:30] Adam: And they had a raft on the back section too of the boat, but nobody knows if they may have found that raft, but like all smashed up.
[0:44:30 – 0:44:31] Adam: Yeah, nobody knows what happened.
[0:44:31 – 0:44:35] Adam: But nobody knows if like anybody ever made it to that second raft in the back.
[0:44:35 – 0:44:37] Erik: Yeah, they just kept driving it like everything was fine.
[0:44:38 – 0:44:41] Adam: We’re going to start this next section with a quote from Dennis.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:45] Adam: I figured maybe through the next night that I would freeze.
[0:44:45 – 0:44:47] Adam: It was really cold, he remembered.
[0:44:47 – 0:44:48] Adam: It iced all over the boat.
[0:44:49 – 0:44:49] Adam: I was hoping to die.
[0:44:50 – 0:44:51] Adam: I was in terrible pain.
[0:44:52 – 0:44:53] Adam: Hale propped himself on an elbow.
[0:44:54 – 0:44:58] Adam: Something about the noise overhead was different from the seagull sounds he had heard throughout the day.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:02] Adam: It was louder than a flock of seagulls, and it sounded like a helicopter blade.
[0:45:03 – 0:45:08] Adam: Of course, he had thought this before, only to look up and see winged scavengers flying overhead.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:11] Adam: However, this time he was not hearing birds.
[0:45:11 – 0:45:12] Adam: A helicopter hovered over the raft.
[0:45:13 – 0:45:15] Adam: Hale summoned the energy to wave feebly at it.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:19] Adam: The helicopter had pontoons and it landed in the water near the raft.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:25] Adam: Two men sloshed through the knee-deep water toward the raft while a second helicopter touched down on the other side of the raft.
[0:45:25 – 0:45:27] Adam: Hale was too weak to move.
[0:45:28 – 0:45:31] Adam: I love ya, he said when his rescuers arrived at the raft.
[0:45:31 – 0:45:32] Adam: I love ya.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:33] Adam: I love ya.
[0:45:34 – 0:45:34] Adam: I love ya.
[0:45:35 – 0:45:35] Erik: Dang.
[0:45:36 – 0:45:37] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know what else he would say.
[0:45:37 – 0:45:39] Adam: That’s what he managed.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:39] Adam: Pretty good.
[0:45:40 – 0:45:44] Erik: Yeah, a floating helicopter.
[0:45:44 – 0:45:46] Adam: Yeah, on pontoons.
[0:45:46 – 0:45:47] Adam: A sea copter.
[0:45:47 – 0:45:49] Erik: Yeah, like 60s Batman.
[0:45:49 – 0:45:51] Erik: Do they make those anymore?
[0:45:51 – 0:45:52] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:45:52 – 0:45:53] Adam: Sea copters.
[0:45:53 – 0:45:53] Erik: I can picture it.
[0:45:53 – 0:45:55] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:45:55 – 0:46:02] Erik: Even the Steve Zissou helicopter I don’t think had pontoons, did it?
[0:46:03 – 0:46:06] Erik: Even though it was almost always flying over water.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:06] Erik: It should have.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:07] Erik: It should have.
[0:46:07 – 0:46:07] Erik: It should have.
[0:46:08 – 0:46:10] Erik: Why don’t they all just have pontoons?
[0:46:10 – 0:46:12] Adam: When’s the last time this whirlybird was serviced?
[0:46:13 – 0:46:15] Erik: You got air in those pontoons?
[0:46:15 – 0:46:17] Erik: Yeah, you got air up or down.
[0:46:17 – 0:46:17] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:46:19 – 0:46:31] Adam: Hale had no trousers or shoes on, yet his bulk and the protection given by his shipmates’ bodies appeared to have made his survival possible, noted Lt. William H. Hall, another Coast Guard man on the scene.
[0:46:31 – 0:46:35] Adam: Hall’s observation would be echoed by hospital personnel attending Hale.
[0:46:36 – 0:46:39] Adam: It would even be suggested that his lack of trousers might have helped save his life.
[0:46:40 – 0:46:44] Adam: If he had been wearing pants, they would have been soaked and frozen, further lowering his body temp.
[0:46:44 – 0:46:46] Erik: I guess the freezing of the pants.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:47] Erik: Right.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:51] Adam: So like it was better to just, you know, and he didn’t even like lose his legs.
[0:46:51 – 0:46:52] Adam: It was just like, my legs are numb.
[0:46:52 – 0:46:52] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:53 – 0:46:54] Adam: What’s the point of pants?
[0:46:54 – 0:46:54] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:55 – 0:46:58] Adam: So if you ever find yourself in that kind of situation, maybe just lose the pants.
[0:46:58 – 0:47:00] Erik: If you’re like floating on water, maybe.
[0:47:00 – 0:47:01] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:01 – 0:47:01] Adam: Maybe.
[0:47:01 – 0:47:02] Adam: If you’re above it.
[0:47:02 – 0:47:02] Adam: Yeah.
[0:47:03 – 0:47:03] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:47:03 – 0:47:04] Adam: If you’re in it, maybe it doesn’t matter.
[0:47:04 – 0:47:06] Erik: I think if you’re in it, yeah, it probably doesn’t make a difference.
[0:47:07 – 0:47:10] Adam: Those at the hospital made the same observation as the Coast Guard men.
[0:47:10 – 0:47:13] Adam: Hale was in remarkably good condition, given all he had been through.
[0:47:13 – 0:47:22] Adam: Other than a cut on his neck and some skin missing from abrasions on two fingers, he had suffered no significant injuries from being thrown off the boat and spending so much time on the raft.
[0:47:23 – 0:47:27] Adam: His legs were blue with purple blotches, and his feet were frostbitten and blistered.
[0:47:28 – 0:47:30] Adam: His body temperature registered 94.6 degrees.
[0:47:32 – 0:47:32] Erik: That’s not too bad.
[0:47:33 – 0:47:33] Adam: Crazy.
[0:47:34 – 0:47:34] Adam: I mean.
[0:47:34 – 0:47:36] Adam: What kind of peacoat were we talking about here?
[0:47:36 – 0:47:39] Adam: I mean, this is the story of the peacoat.
[0:47:39 – 0:47:41] Erik: I got to get my hands on one of these.
[0:47:41 – 0:47:41] Erik: What brand is it?
[0:47:41 – 0:47:42] Erik: L.L.
[0:47:42 – 0:47:42] Erik: Bean?
[0:47:43 – 0:47:43] Erik: It doesn’t say.
[0:47:44 – 0:47:44] Erik: No.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:46] Erik: That brand’s probably not around.
[0:47:46 – 0:47:47] Erik: It’s probably company issue.
[0:47:47 – 0:47:50] Adam: Got a picture of a Morel life jacket he was wearing.
[0:47:50 – 0:47:51] Adam: I thought that was the peacoat.
[0:47:52 – 0:48:00] Adam: That’s the life rings and life vests were among the few things recovered from the sinking, including the one he was wearing and the raft.
[0:48:00 – 0:48:06] Adam: When the search officially ended on December 5th, Hale and 21 of his deceased crewmen had been picked up.
[0:48:06 – 0:48:17] Adam: Hale’s Ashtabula friend, Saviero Greepy, would be found all the way across the lake in Tiverton, Ontario on December 10th, but no one else would turn up until the following spring.
[0:48:18 – 0:48:23] Adam: On April 15th, Euler Don Worcester’s remains were found near Southampton, Ontario.
[0:48:24 – 0:48:29] Adam: The next day, the badly decomposed remains of Ernie Marcotte, the Morales’ third mate, would turn up in the same area.
[0:48:30 – 0:48:31] Adam: Like, we’re talking the other side.
[0:48:32 – 0:48:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:32 – 0:48:32] Erik: Ontario.
[0:48:32 – 0:48:33] Erik: Ontario.
[0:48:35 – 0:48:45] Adam: Two men would never be recovered, Steward Stanley Salawa and Deckhand John Groh, who had ridden with Hale to catch the morel in Windsor after they had missed the boat in Lackawanna.
[0:48:46 – 0:48:54] Adam: Two additional men, Coal Passer David Price and Second Assistant Engineer Alfred Norkunis, would be found near the end of May.
[0:48:55 – 0:48:59] Adam: Hale tried to keep track of the search efforts from his hospital bed in Harbor Beach.
[0:48:59 – 0:49:06] Adam: He held out hope that someone would be found alive, but he was finally told that time and weather conditions had made it impossible for others to have survived.
[0:49:07 – 0:49:18] Adam: Aside from some life jackets, life rings, oars, two life rafts, and a small amount of wreckage found in the water or on the shoal, Hale was all that remained of the Daniel J. Morrell.
[0:49:20 – 0:49:20] Erik: That’s crazy.
[0:49:22 – 0:49:28] Erik: I mean, you hear about survivor guilt, you know, when it comes to, you know, like the sole survivor of a plane crash.
[0:49:28 – 0:49:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:29 – 0:49:38] Erik: It’s just always one of those things you can’t even comprehend, like what that must feel like to know that these guys that you were on the ship working with.
[0:49:39 – 0:50:00] Adam: pretty sad too that the young guy that like rode with them and then they the two of them like caught up to it uh at the coal stop yeah and he was just never found yeah they found most of the guys so like further evidence that had broken up and taken a while to sunk that like most of them were able to like get off the boat before it went down yeah they found the captain he didn’t go down in a blaze of glory
[0:50:00 – 0:50:02] Adam: He was apparently found, yeah.
[0:50:02 – 0:50:03] Adam: He was on the deck.
[0:50:03 – 0:50:07] Adam: He told the boys before they sunk, we shouldn’t have been out here.
[0:50:08 – 0:50:11] Adam: That was the last anybody saw him, but I guess they did find him apparently.
[0:50:11 – 0:50:18] Adam: They didn’t go through and say where they found exactly everybody, but they did note that those two guys were the only two that were never found.
[0:50:19 – 0:50:20] Adam: But yeah, it’s crazy.
[0:50:20 – 0:50:21] Adam: They were scattered all over the place.
[0:50:21 – 0:50:23] Adam: Some drifted on a raft to Michigan.
[0:50:23 – 0:50:27] Adam: The other guys were found much longer, like in the springtime on the other side of the lake.
[0:50:27 – 0:50:28] Erik: Yeah, that’s crazy.
[0:50:28 – 0:50:29] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:50:30 – 0:50:31] Adam: Where are your PFDs?
[0:50:31 – 0:50:33] Erik: Well, yeah, lesson.
[0:50:33 – 0:50:34] Erik: There’s one lesson in here.
[0:50:36 – 0:50:47] Adam: During the Coast Guard hearings, they looked into Hale’s testimony, but they also got their hands on the Townsend, the sister ship.
[0:50:48 – 0:50:49] Erik: The actual boat?
[0:50:49 – 0:50:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:50:50 – 0:50:51] Adam: The Townsend made it to Sault Ste.
[0:50:51 – 0:50:56] Adam: Marie, and Coast Guard inspectors confirmed what Captain Connolly had reported earlier.
[0:50:57 – 0:51:01] Adam: They found a massive crack in the spar deck plates near the exact spot the morale had split.
[0:51:03 – 0:51:08] Adam: It was also eerily close to the spot that Carl D. Bradley had sunk on Lake Michigan eight years earlier.
[0:51:08 – 0:51:19] Adam: Yeah, both ships, basically, there’s a lot more detail on this too, but both ships had suffered a crack in the exact same spot during the exact same storm.
[0:51:19 – 0:51:19] Adam: It was just like…
[0:51:20 – 0:51:21] Erik: It’s that paperclip steal.
[0:51:21 – 0:51:24] Adam: Yeah, that one just managed to barely hold together.
[0:51:24 – 0:51:29] Adam: They basically found out later that it was almost improbable that they had made it to Sault Ste.
[0:51:29 – 0:51:30] Adam: Marie in one piece.
[0:51:31 – 0:51:32] Adam: Yeah.
[0:51:32 – 0:51:35] Adam: They ended up doing a bunch of work on it.
[0:51:36 – 0:51:37] Adam: It just sat in Sault Ste.
[0:51:37 – 0:51:41] Adam: Marie for years and years, waiting, are they going to repair it?
[0:51:42 – 0:51:42] Adam: Who knows?
[0:51:43 – 0:51:45] Adam: This boat was basically taken out of service at that point.
[0:51:46 – 0:51:48] Adam: So neither boat made it to Taconite Harbor.
[0:51:49 – 0:51:53] Adam: And they had to send another boat up there to get the pellets.
[0:51:53 – 0:51:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:54 – 0:51:55] Adam: We got to go get that tonnage.
[0:51:55 – 0:51:57] Adam: We got to get our tonnage no matter what.
[0:51:57 – 0:51:59] Adam: You must hit your tonnage projections.
[0:51:59 – 0:52:00] Erik: Still money on that boat.
[0:52:01 – 0:52:03] Adam: The budget demands it.
[0:52:05 – 0:52:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:52:06 – 0:52:08] Adam: Pretty crazy, though.
[0:52:08 – 0:52:11] Adam: They did found that it had basically split in the exact same spot.
[0:52:12 – 0:52:15] Adam: It was just like a matter of, yeah, one more bend of the paperclip.
[0:52:15 – 0:52:15] Adam: Yeah.
[0:52:15 – 0:52:16] Adam: Also broken half.
[0:52:17 – 0:52:21] Adam: Yeah, whatever conditions they had encountered were nasty.
[0:52:21 – 0:52:24] Erik: Sounds like we were close to a double shipwreck scenario.
[0:52:24 – 0:52:25] Adam: Yeah, like real close.
[0:52:25 – 0:52:30] Erik: Jeez, that would have been, I mean, not that one’s bad, but two?
[0:52:31 – 0:52:32] Erik: Yikes.
[0:52:32 – 0:52:37] Erik: That would have been a full-blown halt all proceedings.
[0:52:37 – 0:52:39] Erik: We need to readjust this entire industry.
[0:52:39 – 0:52:41] Erik: Two ships went down in the same night?
[0:52:42 – 0:52:43] Erik: How are we building these things?
[0:52:45 – 0:52:45] Adam: Brittle steel.
[0:52:45 – 0:52:46] Erik: Brittle steel.
[0:52:46 – 0:52:53] Adam: Yeah, I don’t know if this plus the Bradley was the real push to switch to the different kind of steel.
[0:52:53 – 0:53:00] Adam: I think they already, because of the Bradley sinking, knew that they needed to make adjustments in 52 already, which is before the Bradley even sunk, so…
[0:53:01 – 0:53:07] Adam: I don’t know if they had like preemptively already switched the steel they were using before these major accidents happened with the old boats.
[0:53:08 – 0:53:10] Adam: But like they must have known like something was up.
[0:53:10 – 0:53:11] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:11 – 0:53:18] Adam: Like the amount of repairs they’re having to do on these old boats that they’re just like, all right, we better switch to a better form of steel to handle these cold conditions.
[0:53:18 – 0:53:21] Adam: We’re often trying to like push these boats through at the end of season to make our, you
[0:53:25 – 0:53:33] Adam: Similar to the Fitzgerald, they used a Navy airplane with a magnetic detection anomaly sensor to locate the wreckage.
[0:53:34 – 0:53:43] Adam: U.S. Coast Guard cutter Bramble served as the survey ship and dive platform once they detected a magnetic anomaly.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:45] Erik: They got down there right away?
[0:53:45 – 0:53:48] Erik: Didn’t they have to wait until the spring with the Fitzgerald?
[0:53:49 – 0:54:08] Adam: uh they to get down there with like a submersible and diver yeah like the fitzgerald was so deep they had to send like a submersible yeah people were able to dive in like specialized suits later but yeah as i said on part one the morale was in like 220 some feet of water and compared to like 500 plus feet of water for the fitzgerald so
[0:54:09 – 0:54:18] Adam: Once they detected it, they were pretty confident, like, this is the area based on what Hale told us and where his raft, like, went to, that they were able to, like, we’re going to search this little area.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:20] Adam: And they found it pretty quick, like, the first day they were looking for it.
[0:54:21 – 0:54:21] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:21 – 0:54:33] Adam: So there’s another one, like, you know, they were able to find the Fitzgerald pretty quickly as well, but that was because the Anderson was on the same track as them and they had a pretty good idea of their coordinates of their last position.
[0:54:34 – 0:54:35] Adam: I got a picture of the Bramble for you.
[0:54:35 – 0:54:40] Adam: A 180-foot Coast Guard cutter vital to the extensive role in this story.
[0:54:40 – 0:54:41] Adam: The negative.
[0:54:41 – 0:54:42] Adam: Used for surf…
[0:54:42 – 0:54:43] Adam: Scary Bramble.
[0:54:44 – 0:54:50] Adam: First used in the search for victims and later as the vessel used for the discovery of the wreckage of the stern section.
[0:54:51 – 0:54:58] Adam: The Bramble sailed to a point about 20 miles north-northwest of the Michigan Thumb and waited for directions from the Navy plane.
[0:54:58 – 0:54:59] Adam: The wait was brief.
[0:54:59 – 0:55:06] Adam: As recalled by Roland Schultz, a crewman on the Bramble, the plane reported a hit within 15 to 20 minutes of the beginning of the search.
[0:55:07 – 0:55:10] Adam: The object in the water was just over four miles from the Bramble’s position.
[0:55:12 – 0:55:15] Adam: As Schultz noted, this was only the beginning.
[0:55:15 – 0:55:27] Adam: Once she had reached and reported the position, the Bramble spent three days slowly steaming in squares, rectangles, and circles, looking for the sunken object’s precise location, which could only be determined by passing directly over the wreck.
[0:55:28 – 0:55:31] Adam: High-tech side-scan sonar was still something in the future.
[0:55:32 – 0:55:46] Adam: The search was rewarded, and January 6th, 38 days after the morale was lost, the Bramble maneuvered into a position from which the Ocean Systems team could lower a remote-controlled camera, complete with lighting from the Bramble’s buoy boom.
[0:55:47 – 0:55:53] Adam: Schultz’s account captures the surprise and feeling of accomplishment felt on the cutter.
[0:55:54 – 0:56:05] Adam: Quote, Remarkably, within minutes of being deployed over the side, an image of the vertical wall materialized on the black-and-white TV monitor within the Brambles chart room, which had been configured as control room.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:11] Adam: Those of us known as the Bridge Gang had suddenly invented reasons to be present in this small compartment.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:15] Adam: Watching in silent awe as the operator passed the camera,
[0:56:15 – 0:56:17] Adam: about the riveted hull of a ship.
[0:56:18 – 0:56:23] Adam: The positive identification became much easier in great detail of the freighter’s violent end.
[0:56:23 – 0:56:36] Adam: By all indications, the stern section had plunged forward first almost vertically to the bottom of Lake Huron, scooping up large volumes of mud as she gouged the lake’s floor before coming to rest, upright and listing slightly to the port.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:41] Adam: The wreckage was buried in mud to within six feet of her deck.
[0:56:42 – 0:56:47] Adam: The break between the 11th and 12th hatches confirmed Hale’s story about the location of the split.
[0:56:47 – 0:56:51] Adam: The twisting and tearing of steel at the breaking point was extraordinary.
[0:56:52 – 0:56:54] Adam: The steel was torn, folded, and jagged.
[0:56:54 – 0:56:56] Adam: The cargo hatch covers were strewn about.
[0:56:57 – 0:57:03] Adam: The covered starboard lifeboat hung over the side of the boat, untouched by anyone attempting to abandon the ship.
[0:57:03 – 0:57:03] Adam: Oh, there we go.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:06] Adam: Though there was two lifeboats on the back.
[0:57:06 – 0:57:07] Adam: The port lifeboat was missing.
[0:57:08 – 0:57:12] Adam: No victims could be found, nor was the bow portion of the morale anywhere in the area.
[0:57:13 – 0:57:17] Adam: A clock on board indicated the stern had slipped beneath the surface at 3.28 a.m.
[0:57:19 – 0:57:21] Erik: Are those clocks set up to stop ticking when they go below water?
[0:57:21 – 0:57:22] Adam: I guess so, yeah.
[0:57:22 – 0:57:23] Adam: They got wet.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:24] Erik: Because you hear about that, too.
[0:57:24 – 0:57:30] Erik: They always can see the clock on the bridge of the Titanic and when exactly it went below.
[0:57:30 – 0:57:31] Adam: It’s a sea clock.
[0:57:31 – 0:57:32] Erik: A sea clock?
[0:57:32 – 0:57:34] Erik: That’s kind of spooky.
[0:57:34 – 0:57:37] Adam: If you feed them after midnight, they make more clocks.
[0:57:37 – 0:57:37] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:57:38 – 0:57:39] Erik: Whatever you do, don’t get that clock wet.
[0:57:39 – 0:57:40] Erik: It’ll stop running.
[0:57:41 – 0:57:48] Adam: If hail had been accurate in his estimation of the time of the bow sinking, the stern had continued to sail for nearly an hour and a half after the bow was sinking.
[0:57:49 – 0:57:50] Erik: God, that’s crazy.
[0:57:50 – 0:57:52] Adam: So it just kept chugging along.
[0:57:52 – 0:57:53] Adam: Can you imagine being on the back?
[0:57:53 – 0:57:56] Adam: If we had a story from somebody on the back half of that boat, that would be nuts.
[0:57:57 – 0:57:57] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:57:57 – 0:58:01] Adam: Maybe we can… See the whole front of the boat break off and sink, and you just keep chugging along.
[0:58:01 – 0:58:04] Adam: It’s like you’re going farther from land the entire time.
[0:58:04 – 0:58:08] Erik: Maybe if we all get over onto the left side here, we can angle it towards land, boys.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:10] Erik: Aye, aye, aye.
[0:58:11 – 0:58:12] Erik: Get all the peacoats out.
[0:58:13 – 0:58:13] Erik: Everybody.
[0:58:13 – 0:58:15] Adam: Oh, my God.
[0:58:15 – 0:58:19] Adam: Yeah, how many hatches did I have, Eric?
[0:58:20 – 0:58:21] Adam: I just read it.
[0:58:21 – 0:58:21] Adam: Did I not?
[0:58:23 – 0:58:24] Adam: I think it said they had 18 hatches.
[0:58:27 – 0:58:28] Adam: Anyhow.
[0:58:32 – 0:58:40] Adam: I got out my model of the Edmund Fitzgerald, and I believe the Morrell had 18 hatches and the Fitzgerald had 21.
[0:58:41 – 0:58:43] Adam: They broke it into three sections, so three cargo holds.
[0:58:44 – 0:58:46] Adam: So they had six hatches per cargo hold.
[0:58:46 – 0:58:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:58:47 – 0:58:51] Adam: And, yeah, the break was between the 11th and 12th hatches.
[0:58:52 – 0:58:54] Adam: That was about what Hale had said, so, you know.
[0:58:55 – 0:58:58] Adam: Everything that he told him, like, eventually checked out, too.
[0:58:58 – 0:59:05] Adam: Like, he was spot on in his, like, observations and, like, recall, basically, and the details of the wreck and, like, eventually where they found everything, too.
[0:59:07 – 0:59:12] Adam: The Fitzgerald had seven hatches per cargo.
[0:59:12 – 0:59:16] Adam: So that just accounts for, you know, it was another 100 feet plus longer.
[0:59:16 – 0:59:23] Adam: So, you know, just three, a little bit bigger on each of the three cargo holds, but essentially the same design, just, like, a stretched version of it.
[0:59:24 – 0:59:49] Adam: yeah uh the bear only has like 16 or something like they just have much bigger um cargo holds nowadays okay so i don’t know why that changed there they have more sturdy cargo holds because i know one of the theories with the fitzgerald was that like water going over the green water washing over the spar deck and like just collapsed one of them yeah but they’re yeah now they’ve seemed to have made hatch covers bigger with the modern boats
[0:59:50 – 0:59:50] Erik: chair.
[0:59:50 – 0:59:54] Erik: Were they able to confirm the existence of the man in white telling him to stop eating ice off the peat road?
[0:59:54 – 0:59:56] Adam: Nobody ever saw that guy again.
[1:00:00 – 1:00:08] Adam: The stern was located in 216 feet of water making diving conditions very difficult and tedious but they were able to do that eventually.
[1:00:09 – 1:00:11] Adam: Metal samples were collected for analysis.
[1:00:12 – 1:00:19] Adam: Got a got a little bit of a section on this.
[1:00:23 – 1:00:31] Adam: Yeah, they had to basically… One of the findings was that they have a more regular scheduled basis for contacting home base from now on.
[1:00:32 – 1:00:35] Adam: But the morale had already been, like, sort of operating under that.
[1:00:35 – 1:00:38] Adam: They noted, like, the dispatcher noted, like, they should have called, but they didn’t.
[1:00:38 – 1:00:39] Adam: Like, oh, well.
[1:00:39 – 1:00:41] Adam: So now they had to, like, take it more seriously, too.
[1:00:41 – 1:00:42] Adam: Like, not all companies were doing that, though.
[1:00:42 – 1:00:44] Adam: Yeah.
[1:00:44 – 1:00:50] Adam: Yeah, if they hadn’t heard from, but within an hour of reporting time, the owner was to immediately start search and rescue efforts.
[1:00:52 – 1:00:55] Adam: But, yeah, it wouldn’t have really helped in this case, but maybe.
[1:00:55 – 1:00:56] Adam: You never know.
[1:00:57 – 1:00:57] Erik: Yeah.
[1:00:57 – 1:00:58] Erik: Who knows?
[1:00:58 – 1:00:58] Erik: Yeah.
[1:00:59 – 1:01:03] Erik: I mean, again, I think we talked about it when we talked about the Fitzgerald.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:18] Erik: It’s like, even if people would have gotten into the water, like what kind of a search and rescue operation can you perform in a, uh, you know, the perfect storm ask scenario where people are bobbing in 25 foot waves and pitch black.
[1:01:19 – 1:01:22] Erik: You’re not going to be able to in the sixties, you know, what are you going to do?
[1:01:22 – 1:01:24] Erik: Pick them up with one of those little helicopter baskets.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:25] Adam: Now they talked about that.
[1:01:25 – 1:01:29] Adam: It’s like, even if we found somebody, like it would have been impossible to get them in on board.
[1:01:29 – 1:01:30] Adam: We’re going to throw them a rope.
[1:01:30 – 1:01:30] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:31 – 1:01:38] Adam: Uh, they did make one more recommendation, uh, that would alert the coast guard even sooner of a sinking and provide a location.
[1:01:39 – 1:01:49] Adam: They would require a datum marker buoy that would be activated before a ship sank or at the very least activated automatically when a vessel sank to a predetermined depth.
[1:01:49 – 1:01:54] Adam: So here the buoy would activate at a pressure switch.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:55] Erik: This is on the boat?
[1:01:55 – 1:02:00] Adam: Yeah, they recommended all boats be fixed with this kind of buoy to indicate like, hey, the buoy went under.
[1:02:00 – 1:02:01] Adam: The ship’s probably done.
[1:02:02 – 1:02:05] Adam: And so maybe that’s how the clocks work is like on a pressure.
[1:02:05 – 1:02:06] Erik: Same concept as the buoy.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:13] Adam: As soon as they go like 10 feet underwater, then the plate cracks and the clock stops and they know exactly when it went underwater.
[1:02:14 – 1:02:14] Erik: Yeah.
[1:02:15 – 1:02:23] Adam: The report ultimately proved a point made by shipwreck historians everywhere, with very few exceptions.
[1:02:24 – 1:02:34] Adam: Shipwrecks are caused by more than one factor, and these factors usually combine human error and a misunderstanding with factors out of human control, or factors that humans chose to ignore.
[1:02:34 – 1:02:40] Adam: In this case, you had an aging boat with a weakened hull, a brutal storm, and a captain’s decision to sail.
[1:02:40 – 1:02:43] Adam: Remove any of those factors and the morale would probably have reached…
[1:02:45 – 1:02:48] Adam: would probably have reached her destination safely.
[1:02:49 – 1:02:50] Adam: That was Taconite Harbor.
[1:02:51 – 1:02:53] Adam: And we did a little research on Taconite Harbor.
[1:02:53 – 1:02:54] Adam: It opened in 57.
[1:02:54 – 1:02:54] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:55 – 1:02:59] Adam: They finally got the port blasted and up and running.
[1:03:00 – 1:03:04] Adam: And according to the Cross Bay Historical, what is it?
[1:03:05 – 1:03:12] Adam: That’s not, the Cross River Historical Society website page we found, the port last operated in 2001.
[1:03:12 – 1:03:12] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:13 – 1:03:17] Adam: And they had to end up like taking the rest of the Taconite out of there by train.
[1:03:18 – 1:03:19] Adam: Get it out of here.
[1:03:19 – 1:03:20] Adam: Get this out of here.
[1:03:23 – 1:03:24] Adam: Too bad.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:26] Adam: Too bad.
[1:03:26 – 1:03:27] Adam: It’s all just too bad.
[1:03:29 – 1:03:30] Adam: I got some more information on the…
[1:03:34 – 1:03:37] Erik: I got some more information from the report if you’re interested.
[1:03:37 – 1:03:38] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:38] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:38] Adam: Yeah.
[1:04:02 – 1:04:04] Adam: nor even a warning to the crew in the engine room.
[1:04:05 – 1:04:15] Adam: The board therefore recommended emergency radios with independent power supplies and told commercial shipping firms to treat missed check-ins from their fleet ships more seriously, no more assuming a boat was fine.
[1:04:17 – 1:04:17] Erik: Well, that’s good.
[1:04:18 – 1:04:23] Erik: Seems like maybe we should have been doing that beforehand, but you know.
[1:04:23 – 1:04:24] Adam: Yeah, common sense, right?
[1:04:24 – 1:04:25] Adam: The Townsend remained tied up.
[1:04:26 – 1:04:31] Adam: So this is the sister ship, the Townsend, remained tied up at the Algoma Central Railway dock in Sault Ste.
[1:04:32 – 1:04:33] Adam: Marie for the next two years.
[1:04:34 – 1:04:37] Adam: And Bethlehem Steel eventually sold her to a Spanish scrapyard, Eric.
[1:04:39 – 1:04:40] Erik: Those Spaniards.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:47] Adam: This one, I did not see this next section coming.
[1:04:47 – 1:04:53] Adam: On September 13th, 1968, the Townsend headed south again behind the tugboat Salvage Monarch.
[1:04:54 – 1:05:01] Adam: On October 7th, the ships were caught in a massive Atlantic storm about 400 miles southeast of St. John’s, Newfoundland.
[1:05:02 – 1:05:04] Adam: The Townsend broke free from the tug and split in two.
[1:05:06 – 1:05:07] Adam: Her and…
[1:05:09 – 1:05:32] Adam: in an eerily similar fashion to that of her sister ship and sunk in the atlantic ocean eerie so they yeah they held on to it for years fixed it up good enough to send it to spain and it’s still broken half still just in the ocean 400 miles off the coast so they’re both at the bottom oh my god that’s so that’s there wasn’t thanks a lot they were just dragging it right they were just trying to drag it across the ocean with a tugboat yeah and uh didn’t go as planned
[1:05:32 – 1:05:33] Erik: That’s a gamble.
[1:05:33 – 1:05:34] Erik: You got to be like, all right.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:36] Adam: They must have got a screaming deal on that.
[1:05:36 – 1:05:39] Adam: Did it include any insurance on that?
[1:05:39 – 1:05:42] Adam: Or were they like, we’ll give you X amount of dollars for this thing if it makes it to Spain.
[1:05:42 – 1:05:43] Erik: Yeah, no insurance.
[1:05:43 – 1:05:44] Adam: We’ll pay you an extra $100.
[1:05:44 – 1:05:46] Erik: Yeah, it’s $100,000.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:50] Erik: But if you get it there, the scrap is probably worth 10 times that.
[1:05:51 – 1:05:56] Adam: At least the tugboat salvage monarch had the good sense to cut it loose and make a run for it.
[1:05:56 – 1:05:57] Adam: So they made it.
[1:05:57 – 1:06:00] Adam: I have not looked into where is the salvage monarch these days.
[1:06:01 – 1:06:01] Erik: No.
[1:06:01 – 1:06:02] Adam: Where’s the wood thrush?
[1:06:03 – 1:06:04] Erik: Didn’t get dragged to the bottom with it.
[1:06:05 – 1:06:05] Adam: No.
[1:06:05 – 1:06:06] Adam: Where’s the bramble?
[1:06:07 – 1:06:09] Adam: These other boats were all involved.
[1:06:09 – 1:06:10] Erik: The side characters?
[1:06:10 – 1:06:11] Adam: Yeah.
[1:06:11 – 1:06:11] Adam: Where are they at?
[1:06:12 – 1:06:14] Adam: The Arthur Anderson’s still out there.
[1:06:14 – 1:06:15] Erik: That’s crazy.
[1:06:16 – 1:06:17] Erik: It is crazy.
[1:06:17 – 1:06:17] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:22 – 1:06:27] Adam: After more than four years, Bethlehem Steel finally settled with the heirs of the deceased sailors.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:35] Adam: The company agreed to pay $2.75 million, the largest settlement in maritime history, to be divided amongst the families of the lost sailors.
[1:06:36 – 1:06:40] Adam: The distribution of the settlement money was based on the size of the sailors’ family.
[1:06:40 – 1:06:42] Adam: The more children, the more money.
[1:06:42 – 1:06:44] Erik: That’s another reason to have kids, I guess.
[1:06:44 – 1:06:47] Adam: Hail, especially if you’re going to work on the boat.
[1:06:47 – 1:06:47] Adam: Yeah.
[1:06:47 – 1:06:52] Adam: You’re going to miss Thanksgiving, but when you die, you get more money from Bethlehem Steel.
[1:06:52 – 1:06:53] Erik: More of a chunk.
[1:06:54 – 1:07:00] Adam: It was in 1970, so it took them four years to pay out any money to the families.
[1:07:00 – 1:07:01] Adam: Isn’t that nice?
[1:07:01 – 1:07:02] Erik: That’s usually how it goes.
[1:07:02 – 1:07:03] Adam: Steel barons.
[1:07:03 – 1:07:03] Erik: Yeah.
[1:07:04 – 1:07:05] Adam: You sons of bitches.
[1:07:05 – 1:07:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:07:06 – 1:07:10] Adam: Hale, in a separate agreement, reached what he called a fair settlement.
[1:07:10 – 1:07:14] Adam: As part of the agreement, he was not permitted to reveal how much money he received.
[1:07:14 – 1:07:14] Erik: Okay.
[1:07:15 – 1:07:17] Adam: So I don’t think it was ever revealed.
[1:07:18 – 1:07:21] Erik: So the other families probably were just, it varied, right?
[1:07:21 – 1:07:25] Adam: It just said 2.75 split amongst the families depending on the amount of children.
[1:07:25 – 1:07:26] Adam: So 2.5?
[1:07:26 – 1:07:29] Adam: 2.75 million for all the other families.
[1:07:29 – 1:07:33] Erik: 2.75 divided by 20, give or take, however many kids they had.
[1:07:33 – 1:07:34] Adam: Right.
[1:07:35 – 1:07:41] Adam: I mean, it’s a good chunk of change in 1970, but still, it was a record settlement at the time.
[1:07:41 – 1:07:47] Adam: So, I mean, I don’t know how much precedent, like former shipwreck payouts come into play in that kind of maritime law.
[1:07:47 – 1:07:51] Adam: Any maritime lawyers out there, hit us up, tumblomcast at gmail.com.
[1:07:52 – 1:07:52] Adam: How does that work?
[1:07:53 – 1:07:54] Erik: I don’t get how all that works.
[1:07:58 – 1:07:58] Adam: Yikes.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:02] Adam: The bow section wasn’t discovered.
[1:08:02 – 1:08:06] Adam: This one was crazy, too, and I think I already alluded to this in part one.
[1:08:06 – 1:08:13] Adam: The bow section wasn’t discovered until the spring of 1979 by shipwreck hunter David Trotter.
[1:08:13 – 1:08:16] Adam: The bow was also sitting upright in roughly 200 feet of water.
[1:08:17 – 1:08:19] Erik: Why were they just like, nah, we found the one part.
[1:08:19 – 1:08:19] Adam: We figured it out.
[1:08:19 – 1:08:22] Adam: Well, they got enough information, and they’re like, okay.
[1:08:22 – 1:08:23] Adam: It wasn’t the captain’s fault.
[1:08:23 – 1:08:26] Adam: This ship just split in two, name of the book.
[1:08:27 – 1:08:27] Adam: It split in two.
[1:08:28 – 1:08:29] Adam: It was all on the ship.
[1:08:29 – 1:08:31] Adam: Bethlehem Steel is on the hook here.
[1:08:32 – 1:08:33] Adam: It wasn’t Crowley.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:34] Adam: He didn’t do anything crazy.
[1:08:34 – 1:08:38] Adam: He probably shouldn’t have sailed into that storm, but they didn’t know anything.
[1:08:38 – 1:08:39] Adam: Like they said earlier.
[1:08:40 – 1:08:42] Erik: How many other storms had they done that in the past?
[1:08:43 – 1:09:05] Adam: too many the paperclip had already been bent back and forth too many times so nowadays you see it like we were talking about last week all these ships are like being way more cautious the stewart j court went by yesterday real close yeah two days ago and then because of the heavy north coast winds they just like pulled into thunder bay and like waited it out a little bit they’re just starting to move now you know i feel like i could have gone down to the shore and like winked at the captain that thing was so close
[1:09:06 – 1:09:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:09:07 – 1:09:07] Adam: There he is.
[1:09:07 – 1:09:08] Adam: He’s winking at me.
[1:09:08 – 1:09:13] Adam: I think they’re being way more cautious with these boats these days, and for good reason, even though they’re built with better steel.
[1:09:13 – 1:09:16] Adam: Like, why beat on them to save, like, three hours?
[1:09:16 – 1:09:16] Erik: Yeah.
[1:09:17 – 1:09:19] Adam: On the other hand, I saw one during this wave.
[1:09:19 – 1:09:23] Adam: There’s, like, six ships in Whitefish Bay, like, anchored up, waiting.
[1:09:24 – 1:09:26] Adam: There’s a bunch of ships sitting in Thunder Bay waiting.
[1:09:26 – 1:09:28] Adam: The ships that are moving are like 10 feet off the shore.
[1:09:29 – 1:09:34] Adam: And meanwhile, there’s just this one ship, like the federal something cargo container ship going for Thunder Bay.
[1:09:34 – 1:09:36] Adam: They just went, everybody else is waiting.
[1:09:36 – 1:09:39] Adam: And I just watched them slowly creep along, like right through the middle of the lake.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:41] Erik: It’s probably the Spaniards are on top of that one.
[1:09:41 – 1:09:42] Erik: They’re like, whatever, we can make it.
[1:09:42 – 1:09:43] Adam: And they did.
[1:09:43 – 1:09:44] Adam: They made it.
[1:09:44 – 1:09:48] Adam: But still, it’s crazy how each ship’s just on their own thing.
[1:09:48 – 1:09:49] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:09:49 – 1:09:50] Adam: Most of them are playing it safe.
[1:09:50 – 1:09:52] Adam: And these guys are like, we got to get to Thunder Bay.
[1:09:52 – 1:09:53] Adam: Right down the middle.
[1:09:53 – 1:09:55] Adam: We got to get there by Saturday.
[1:09:55 – 1:09:56] Adam: We don’t get our tonnage bonus.
[1:09:59 – 1:10:00] Adam: Yeah.
[1:10:00 – 1:10:00] Adam: Crazy, though.
[1:10:00 – 1:10:01] Adam: It took him until 79.
[1:10:02 – 1:10:06] Adam: So I think we said… And it was just some solo… 13 years later, it was just some guy.
[1:10:06 – 1:10:08] Erik: Independent shipwreck hunter?
[1:10:08 – 1:10:08] Adam: Yeah.
[1:10:09 – 1:10:09] Erik: Okay.
[1:10:10 – 1:10:11] Adam: David Trotter.
[1:10:11 – 1:10:14] Erik: Jacques Cousteau of the Great Lakes.
[1:10:14 – 1:10:15] Erik: Basically.
[1:10:18 – 1:10:20] Adam: Dennis Hale never sailed again.
[1:10:20 – 1:10:20] Adam: There it is.
[1:10:20 – 1:10:20] Adam: Yeah.
[1:10:48 – 1:10:52] Adam: where they resided and where the great majority of the lost sailors’ families lived.
[1:10:52 – 1:10:52] Adam: My God!
[1:10:52 – 1:10:55] Adam: In such a small town, the bitterness was oppressive.
[1:10:55 – 1:11:11] Adam: Elmer Fleming, the Bradleys’ first mate, agonized over his lost crewmates, and the trauma of the sinking was such that when he resumed to sailing, he was awarded a skipper’s position and his own boat, although then he was unable to handle rough weather and had to resign the position.
[1:11:12 – 1:11:15] Adam: He spent the rest of his days wondering why he had survived and the others had not.
[1:11:17 – 1:11:18] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:18 – 1:11:19] Erik: Sounds like a great community.
[1:11:19 – 1:11:22] Adam: Yeah, they just were like, yeah, you lived?
[1:11:22 – 1:11:23] Adam: My boy didn’t?
[1:11:23 – 1:11:24] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:25 – 1:11:26] Adam: Yeah, I just want to be Dennis Hale.
[1:11:28 – 1:11:31] Erik: Not shipwreck survivor Dennis Hale.
[1:11:31 – 1:11:32] Erik: Yeah, God.
[1:11:36 – 1:11:39] Adam: We got one more long passage to wrap this one up.
[1:11:39 – 1:11:41] Adam: I feel like we’re doing pretty good.
[1:11:42 – 1:11:42] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:42 – 1:11:43] Adam: How’s your Montucky?
[1:11:43 – 1:11:45] Adam: I haven’t even gotten into my smoochy juice.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:48] Adam: I might crack it after I get through this last passage.
[1:11:48 – 1:11:49] Adam: I want to read it nice.
[1:11:49 – 1:11:51] Adam: And I have my last sip of Montucky here.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:52] Adam: Okay.
[1:11:52 – 1:11:54] Adam: We have the Sag Boys and the Sack Boys this week.
[1:11:55 – 1:11:59] Erik: Sack Boys, Sag Boys, and the floating helicopters.
[1:12:01 – 1:12:16] Adam: I did get confirmation before we get to the final passage here that the Fitzgerald had 21 cargo holds, each one an 11-foot by 48-foot steel plate with the hatch clamps on there.
[1:12:17 – 1:12:18] Adam: The Morrell had 18.
[1:12:18 – 1:12:24] Adam: I think I had that right, 18, six in a section, and then the Fitzgerald was a little bit longer.
[1:12:25 – 1:12:52] Adam: um one fun fact uh which i was shocked by when i reread the fitzgerald book was that the propeller on that thing was 19 and a half feet uh in diameter yeah i did not get any facts on this book as the size of the propeller on the morel but um slightly smaller boat probably not as big and they definitely weren’t as fast like the fitzgerald was like famous for being really fast and i assumed that like a bigger propeller would help in that way but yeah i think it just had like more advanced motors
[1:12:54 – 1:13:04] Adam: Anyways, this story began with Dennis Hale, and because of him surviving, we know a lot more about this shipwreck disaster than we did with the Fitzgerald.
[1:13:05 – 1:13:08] Adam: And this story will also end with Dennis Hale tonight.
[1:13:08 – 1:13:15] Adam: In 1981, Hale was invited to attend, and if he wished, speak at the Lake Superior State College in Sault Ste.
[1:13:15 – 1:13:16] Adam: Marie.
[1:13:16 – 1:13:21] Adam: Larry Choplin had filmed a documentary about the Morrell and would be presenting it at the college.
[1:13:23 – 1:13:24] Adam: Hale was to be the guest of honor.
[1:13:24 – 1:13:30] Adam: Hale told the organizers that he would attend, but he had no interest in speaking at the event.
[1:13:31 – 1:13:37] Adam: He had not talked publicly about the Morrell shipwreck since he had given his accounts and interviews in the weeks following the accident.
[1:13:38 – 1:13:45] Adam: Fifteen years had passed, and he could not imagine a circumstance where he would feel comfortable reliving his experiences in public.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:50] Adam: He certainly didn’t want to answer questions about events that were still painful for him to remember.
[1:13:52 – 1:13:53] Adam: He changed his mind when he traveled to Sault Ste.
[1:13:53 – 1:14:01] Adam: Marie and saw the college’s displays of shipwreck memorabilia and learned that the banquet was being dedicated to the crew of the Daniel J. Murrell.
[1:14:01 – 1:14:03] Adam: He would speak, after all.
[1:14:04 – 1:14:08] Adam: Frightened that he might freeze up in front of an audience, he jotted down some notes on index cards.
[1:14:09 – 1:14:11] Adam: The event turned out to be cathartic.
[1:14:12 – 1:14:17] Adam: His reservation dissipated as soon as he started speaking at the podium at the front of the packed hall.
[1:14:18 – 1:14:24] Adam: He had worried about what he would say, but once he began, words long bottled up within came flooding out.
[1:14:25 – 1:14:33] Adam: I started somewhat hesitantly, he remembered, but upon seeing how moved the audience was by hearing my tale, I continued with more confidence.
[1:14:34 – 1:14:36] Adam: He wept occasionally while telling his story.
[1:14:37 – 1:14:42] Adam: As difficult as it was, he gained a sense of liberation from offering his account to these total strangers.
[1:14:43 – 1:14:44] Adam: He said nothing of his visions on the raft.
[1:14:45 – 1:14:47] Adam: I was unsure how the audience would respond.
[1:14:48 – 1:14:49] Adam: But he told the rest.
[1:14:49 – 1:15:01] Adam: When I finished, he said, For Hale, narrating his account to others amounted to more than freeing himself from the captivity of his past.
[1:15:01 – 1:15:05] Adam: It was also a way of honoring his dead crewmates and keeping their memories alive.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:10] Adam: Programs similar to the one at Lake Superior State College would pop up in the future.
[1:15:10 – 1:15:15] Adam: and Hale told his story more frequently and with less stress as each year passed.
[1:15:16 – 1:15:21] Adam: He attended Great Lakes Maritime Conventions and memorials for the Carl D. Bradley and Edmund Fitzgerald.
[1:15:22 – 1:15:28] Adam: He granted interviews to newspapers and magazines and appeared in a cable television documentary being filmed about the Fitzgerald.
[1:15:29 – 1:15:33] Adam: He dedicated his story to Tim Jewell, Pat Steyer, and Jim Steyer.
[1:15:33 – 1:15:37] Adam: The book, Soul Survivor, was published by Out of the Blue Productions in 1996.
[1:15:39 – 1:15:46] Adam: Shipwrecked, a much longer self-published account that includes stories about his childhood, hit bookstore shelves in 2010.
[1:15:47 – 1:15:49] Adam: He also conquered his fear of going out on the water.
[1:15:50 – 1:16:00] Adam: In 1999, 33 years after his final trip on the Morrell, he was invited to spend six days on the Roger Blau, an 835-foot bulk carrier.
[1:16:01 – 1:16:06] Adam: To ease his apprehension about sailing again, Hale was told that he could bring seven friends with him.
[1:16:07 – 1:16:09] Adam: The group boarded the Blau in Sault Ste.
[1:16:09 – 1:16:09] Adam: Marie.
[1:16:09 – 1:16:13] Adam: The boat was bound for Two Harbors, Minnesota, for a load of taconite.
[1:16:13 – 1:16:15] Adam: From there, it was on to Chicago.
[1:16:15 – 1:16:21] Adam: Hale spent time in the pilot house and engine room, chatting with those on duty, and learning everything he could about the Blau.
[1:16:22 – 1:16:28] Adam: Rather than being overwhelmed by sailing on a gigantic ore carrier for the first time since the morale,
[1:16:28 – 1:16:33] Adam: It was reminded of the camaraderie, the sense of family, that he had enjoyed when he worked on the boats.
[1:16:34 – 1:16:37] Adam: It felt like I was putting on an old pair of shoes, he said.
[1:16:41 – 1:16:41] Erik: Wow.
[1:16:41 – 1:16:42] Adam: There’s some more on there, too.
[1:16:42 – 1:16:50] Adam: He did eventually get to go on a boat that was diving over the Morel wreck, and there’s a documentary.
[1:16:51 – 1:16:52] Erik: He’s got to bring seven friends with him.
[1:16:52 – 1:16:53] Adam: You get to bring seven friends.
[1:16:54 – 1:16:54] Adam: Yeah.
[1:16:55 – 1:17:01] Adam: There’s a documentary about this, though, that features him getting to go to the actual wreck site, and they do talk about that in the book.
[1:17:02 – 1:17:06] Adam: But I would encourage anybody who’s listened this far into the story that
[1:17:06 – 1:17:10] Adam: It’s a pretty good read, and go ahead and check it out.
[1:17:10 – 1:17:11] Adam: There’s a lot more detail in there.
[1:17:12 – 1:17:16] Adam: I wanted to give a rich account of the story.
[1:17:17 – 1:17:18] Adam: It’s fascinating to me.
[1:17:18 – 1:17:20] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:17:20 – 1:17:23] Adam: There’s something about this time of year and watching the big boats go by.
[1:17:24 – 1:17:46] Adam: um that you know reading these kinds of stories and what they’ve learned and uh how shipping has changed on the great lakes since those times it’s just the whole thing’s fascinating to me so if it’s fascinating to you in any way i highly recommend picking up both mighty fits and or split apart uh what is it split and torn in two torn in two what about shipwrecked you haven’t read that have you i haven’t read that yet
[1:17:46 – 1:17:54] Erik: I don’t know if I want to get too in-depth in the mental anguish that I’m sure Dennis Hale is.
[1:17:54 – 1:17:58] Adam: I want to read the childhood stories, though, about life in Ashtabula, Ohio.
[1:17:59 – 1:18:00] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:00 – 1:18:02] Adam: I don’t know if—I haven’t looked to see.
[1:18:02 – 1:18:08] Adam: I’m sure that somewhere in the state of Minnesota library system you can get your hands on Shipwrecked, the self-published tale.
[1:18:08 – 1:18:08] Adam: Yeah.
[1:18:09 – 1:18:09] Erik: Probably.
[1:18:09 – 1:18:10] Adam: From Dennis Hale.
[1:18:11 – 1:18:14] Adam: But no, I think this is enough information for me.
[1:18:15 – 1:18:19] Adam: But there’s a lot more in the book that we weren’t able to bring to you on these two episodes.
[1:18:20 – 1:18:21] Erik: We always got to leave something in the book.
[1:18:21 – 1:18:23] Adam: Yeah, I don’t want to, like, just read it all the way to the end.
[1:18:23 – 1:18:25] Adam: So, yeah, go check it out.
[1:18:25 – 1:18:26] Adam: There’s more in there.
[1:18:26 – 1:18:30] Adam: And then, of course, there’s the entire, you know, accident report filed.
[1:18:31 – 1:18:32] Adam: Oh, God, yeah.
[1:18:32 – 1:18:35] Adam: The Maritime Board Report or whatever, Safety Commission.
[1:18:35 – 1:18:35] Adam: Yeah.
[1:18:36 – 1:18:38] Adam: There’s, like, multiple reports in full published in the back.
[1:18:38 – 1:18:44] Adam: So you can really dig into those if you’re really interested in how big was the crack in the SparDeck.
[1:18:44 – 1:18:46] Erik: Dry NTSB reports.
[1:18:47 – 1:18:49] Adam: Schumacher’s the preferred way on that one.
[1:18:49 – 1:18:49] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:51 – 1:18:55] Adam: Yeah, no sign of the Indiana Harbor yet.
[1:18:55 – 1:18:58] Adam: I’m going to pull up the ship tracker one last time and see how close it is.
[1:18:58 – 1:19:03] Erik: I don’t know if it’s going to happen on Mike here, but surely it will go creeping by.
[1:19:03 – 1:19:04] Erik: Oh, it’s so close.
[1:19:04 – 1:19:05] Erik: Nightboat.
[1:19:05 – 1:19:06] Adam: It’s kind of out there, though.
[1:19:06 – 1:19:08] Adam: They’re definitely not creeping in as close.
[1:19:08 – 1:19:09] Adam: No, they’re not hugging shore.
[1:19:09 – 1:19:13] Adam: They’re between Lutzen and Grand Marais right now, so I don’t think we’re going to see the Indiana Harbor.
[1:19:13 – 1:19:15] Adam: No.
[1:19:15 – 1:19:17] Adam: What happened to the Algoma Bear, though?
[1:19:17 – 1:19:19] Erik: The Algoma Bear backtracked.
[1:19:20 – 1:19:40] Adam: yeah it’s definitely like heading just for thunder bay now weird they must be nasty out there because now their destination is listed as thunder bay and they were definitely not going to thunder bay earlier algoma bear are you out there are you listening do you copy hit us up on the picture app tumble home cast uh send us a message in the dms if you’re listening what happened
[1:19:40 – 1:19:44] Erik: Oh, yeah, or tumblehomecasts at gmail.com.
[1:19:44 – 1:19:47] Adam: Any crew members out there that are tumble homies?
[1:19:47 – 1:19:50] Adam: There’s got to be a tumble homie that’s on one of these boats.
[1:19:50 – 1:19:57] Erik: I thought you were going to say, I thought for sure we have a Tumble homie who’s a maritime law expert.
[1:19:57 – 1:20:04] Adam: We definitely have maritime law homies out there, and I would think we’ve got to have somebody working the galley on one of these ships as a Tumble homie.
[1:20:04 – 1:20:15] Erik: What was the name of the card that you would pull in the board game cargo that would just automatically sink your whole fleet?
[1:20:15 – 1:20:16] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:20:16 – 1:20:17] Erik: Was it just a shoal card?
[1:20:17 – 1:20:23] Erik: No, it was a name of a boat of like a crazy old shipwreck that they never found.
[1:20:23 – 1:20:23] Erik: It was like a ghost boat.
[1:20:23 – 1:20:24] Adam: Yeah, it was a ghost ship.
[1:20:24 – 1:20:27] Erik: It was a ghost ship card that you would pull.
[1:20:27 – 1:20:30] Adam: Yeah, and it just automatically sunk you and you lose all your cargo.
[1:20:30 – 1:20:34] Erik: And I definitely remember getting that one and then immediately hating the game.
[1:20:34 – 1:20:36] Adam: Yeah, that’s a pretty rough card to pull.
[1:20:37 – 1:20:41] Adam: You can definitely wreck into the shoals for sure very carefully.
[1:20:41 – 1:20:44] Erik: Where did you get the copy that you had?
[1:20:44 – 1:20:46] Adam: Adrian has a copy of Cargo.
[1:20:46 – 1:20:46] Adam: It’s Adrian that has one.
[1:20:47 – 1:20:47] Adam: Let me play.
[1:20:47 – 1:20:49] Adam: He’s a board game connoisseur.
[1:20:49 – 1:20:56] Adam: Somebody did post, well, I don’t know what original subreddit it was posted in, but somebody reposted that into the Tumble Home subreddit.
[1:20:57 – 1:21:01] Adam: It’s a really fun game other than the whatever.
[1:21:01 – 1:21:05] Adam: The Wichigichigumi card or whatever that Eric got that sunk his whole cargo.
[1:21:05 – 1:21:06] Erik: It’s like right there.
[1:21:06 – 1:21:07] Erik: I’ll think of it.
[1:21:07 – 1:21:13] Erik: I’ve been thinking about it since I saw that subreddit post of the cargo going for like $300 on eBay.
[1:21:14 – 1:21:14] Erik: Vintage.
[1:21:15 – 1:21:16] Erik: It’s hard to come across one of those.
[1:21:16 – 1:21:17] Adam: Pristine copy of cargo.
[1:21:17 – 1:21:19] Adam: If anybody sees one at a garage sale, snap it up.
[1:21:20 – 1:21:20] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:21:20 – 1:21:21] Adam: It’s a hell of a game.
[1:21:21 – 1:21:24] Erik: Play it once and sell it on eBay for a couple hundred bucks.
[1:21:24 – 1:21:24] Adam: There we go.
[1:21:24 – 1:21:25] Adam: It’s well worth a great investment.
[1:21:25 – 1:21:26] Adam: Yeah.
[1:21:28 – 1:21:28] Adam: That was great.
[1:21:28 – 1:21:30] Erik: Thank you for the book reporting.
[1:21:30 – 1:21:31] Adam: Thanks.
[1:21:31 – 1:21:34] Adam: I’m going to pop into my smoothie juice.
[1:21:34 – 1:21:35] Adam: Sucky juice time here.
[1:21:35 – 1:21:37] Adam: Yeah, get that sucky juice going.
[1:21:38 – 1:21:40] Adam: Master of Ships needs his sucky juice.
[1:21:40 – 1:21:40] Adam: Master of Ships.
[1:21:40 – 1:21:41] Adam: Did I tell you?
[1:21:41 – 1:21:47] Adam: Because I demoted myself back into the deli at the co-op for peace of mind.
[1:21:48 – 1:21:53] Adam: And so I had to get, you know, I got a new name tag when I came back from paternity leave.
[1:21:53 – 1:21:55] Adam: And I had Kirsa hook me up.
[1:21:55 – 1:21:57] Adam: Mine just says, Deli Manager, Master of Ships.
[1:21:57 – 1:21:58] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[1:21:58 – 1:21:59] Erik: Master of ships.
[1:21:59 – 1:22:04] Adam: And so anytime a boat goes by, I just go like running off the cargo, off the loading dock.
[1:22:04 – 1:22:04] Erik: Yeah.
[1:22:05 – 1:22:05] Adam: I mean, you’re…
[1:22:05 – 1:22:07] Adam: Waving at them like crazy.
[1:22:07 – 1:22:09] Adam: And I’m like, yeah, no, they tooted.
[1:22:09 – 1:22:10] Adam: I heard them toot.
[1:22:10 – 1:22:11] Erik: They saw me waving.
[1:22:11 – 1:22:12] Erik: Got the name tag to prove it.
[1:22:14 – 1:22:20] Adam: Yeah, when the court was going by, somebody else I know just texted me a picture of it, like, do you know which ship this was?
[1:22:20 – 1:22:22] Adam: And I was like, oh, of course, it’s the Stuart J.
[1:22:22 – 1:22:27] Adam: Court, the longest and first of the thousand, or it’s the first thousand footer and the only one with a Ford pilot house.
[1:22:27 – 1:22:28] Erik: Yeah, it was great to see.
[1:22:29 – 1:22:32] Adam: Yeah, they’re heading to Cleveland with 76,000 pounds of iron ore.
[1:22:33 – 1:22:34] Adam: He’s like, I knew you would know.
[1:22:34 – 1:22:36] Adam: Of course.
[1:22:36 – 1:22:36] Erik: Yeah.
[1:22:37 – 1:22:38] Adam: Master of ships.
[1:22:39 – 1:22:40] Adam: Master of the ship.
[1:22:40 – 1:22:41] Adam: Master of ships needs the sucky juice.
[1:22:41 – 1:22:43] Adam: Thank you to the Sack Boys.
[1:22:44 – 1:22:45] Adam: Sack Boys?
[1:22:45 – 1:22:46] Adam: Sack Boys.
[1:22:46 – 1:22:51] Adam: Thank you for the delicious treats, and I hope you enjoy the Frost River.
[1:22:52 – 1:22:53] Erik: Yeah, I’m sure they did.
[1:22:53 – 1:22:54] Adam: I’m sure they did.
[1:22:55 – 1:22:56] Adam: And how.
[1:22:56 – 1:22:56] Adam: All right.
[1:22:56 – 1:22:59] Adam: Well, that’ll do it for this evening’s report.
[1:22:59 – 1:23:01] Adam: Of course, next week we’ll be jumping into feast chat.
[1:23:02 – 1:23:12] Adam: So remember to get on over to the subreddit and regal us with poetic and salacious detail of your finest feast you ever had in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness.
[1:23:12 – 1:23:14] Adam: I cannot wait to read all about it.
[1:23:14 – 1:23:15] Adam: It’s your last chance.
[1:23:15 – 1:23:16] Adam: Please tell us.
[1:23:16 – 1:23:18] Adam: Has anybody made a pie in the Boundary Waters?
[1:23:18 – 1:23:21] Erik: Yeah, any luck with the reflector oven?
[1:23:23 – 1:23:26] Adam: The key, if you’re trying to get firm tips, no.
[1:23:27 – 1:23:28] Adam: Stiff peaks.
[1:23:28 – 1:23:33] Adam: You want stiff peaks, you got to add a pinch of salt if you’re whipping up a stiff peak for a custard pie.
[1:23:34 – 1:23:35] Erik: Yeah, a little Bon Jovi’s meringue.
[1:23:35 – 1:23:36] Adam: There you go.
[1:23:36 – 1:23:40] Adam: That’s your tip of the day for feast chat as we head into that one.
[1:23:40 – 1:23:42] Adam: So, yeah, I’m excited to hear all about it.
[1:23:43 – 1:23:45] Adam: And it should be a little bit more uplifting.
[1:23:45 – 1:23:48] Adam: And it will be December by the time we get to those.
[1:23:49 – 1:23:59] Erik: Yeah, we’ll need the light that comes with discussing feasts of the park by the time we get into the first week of December here.
[1:23:59 – 1:24:01] Erik: The days are somehow still getting a little shorter.
[1:24:02 – 1:24:03] Erik: Solstice is still a few weeks away.
[1:24:04 – 1:24:04] Adam: That’s right.
[1:24:05 – 1:24:12] Adam: Eric has not yet told me which season of Alone we’re going to watch, but we’re going to watch a season of Alone for this year’s snow log episodes.
[1:24:14 – 1:24:16] Erik: I’m not sure what the format’s going to be.
[1:24:16 – 1:24:16] Erik: I’m not sure either.
[1:24:16 – 1:24:17] Erik: We’ll have to discuss that.
[1:24:17 – 1:24:20] Adam: We’re going to put those under the TCC for the Patreons, maybe.
[1:24:20 – 1:24:21] Erik: Probably.
[1:24:21 – 1:24:21] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:24:21 – 1:24:34] Erik: We should do a TCC, and I don’t know why we completely forgot about this, but I think we were in shock and awe by the one corner of the Hockey Hall of Fame that had all the movies displayed.
[1:24:34 – 1:24:34] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[1:24:34 – 1:24:36] Erik: I think we got to do Youngblood.
[1:24:36 – 1:24:36] Adam: Youngblood.
[1:24:37 – 1:24:41] Adam: Yeah, I think I sent you a picture of it.
[1:24:41 – 1:24:45] Adam: I also had a picture of you posing with Emilio Estevez’s coat.
[1:24:45 – 1:24:45] Adam: Yes.
[1:24:46 – 1:24:49] Erik: It’s his Mr. Duxworth jersey.
[1:24:50 – 1:24:51] Erik: Quack, quack, Mr. Duxworth.
[1:24:52 – 1:24:55] Erik: So, yeah, Youngblood, I think, is next up for TCC.
[1:24:55 – 1:25:02] Adam: But over the winter, we’re going to do an entire season of Alone, which they do some netting, hopefully, is what I promised.
[1:25:02 – 1:25:05] Adam: You’ve got to figure out which season has the most netting.
[1:25:05 – 1:25:08] Erik: I should go through and make sure we get one that’s got good netting.
[1:25:08 – 1:25:10] Adam: Yeah, I want the best netting.
[1:25:10 – 1:25:10] Adam: Yeah.
[1:25:10 – 1:25:12] Adam: And not the one where the guy just sits in his hut.
[1:25:13 – 1:25:13] Adam: No, no, no.
[1:25:14 – 1:25:14] Adam: Moaning.
[1:25:15 – 1:25:17] Adam: Talking about how hungry he is and doing nothing.
[1:25:18 – 1:25:20] Adam: Go throw a net in the lake, buddy.
[1:25:20 – 1:25:24] Erik: No, he just traps mice and eats little pieces of mouse meat and it’s gross.
[1:25:24 – 1:25:27] Erik: So, yeah, well, I’ll find one that’s mostly…
[1:25:27 – 1:25:29] Adam: Mouse meat’s not as good as sea meat.
[1:25:29 – 1:25:30] Adam: I’ll tell you that much.
[1:25:30 – 1:25:32] Adam: I’ll tell you that one for free, Eric.
[1:25:32 – 1:25:35] Erik: That’s a free tip to all of you out there.
[1:25:35 – 1:25:37] Adam: Survivalist tip of the night.
[1:25:38 – 1:25:40] Adam: Sea meat is far better than mouse meat.
[1:25:40 – 1:25:41] Adam: Far better.
[1:25:42 – 1:25:43] Adam: All right.
[1:25:43 – 1:25:46] Adam: Thank you for listening to my tale, such as it is.
[1:25:46 – 1:25:47] Erik: Yeah.
[1:25:47 – 1:25:48] Erik: Two-part tale.
[1:25:48 – 1:25:49] Adam: Can’t wait.
[1:25:49 – 1:25:52] Adam: We’re going to work on this puzzle a little bit here and wait for the big boat to go by, I think.
[1:25:52 – 1:25:53] Adam: Sounds good.
[1:25:53 – 1:25:57] Adam: As we always say on Tumble Home, life is precious and every day is a miracle.
[1:25:58 – 1:25:59] Adam: Good evening and good night.
[1:25:59 – 1:26:00] Erik: Good night.