Episode Transcript
[0:00:01 – 0:00:02] Adam: Alright, we’re here.
[0:00:03 – 0:00:05] Adam: It is April 20th, 2018.
[0:00:06 – 0:00:10] Adam: And it’s one of the first really nice days we’ve had in some time.
[0:00:10 – 0:00:16] Adam: We’re currently standing in shin-deep snow out in the middle of the woods on the north shore here.
[0:00:16 – 0:00:20] Adam: We’re just up the hill from the big lake near my place.
[0:00:20 – 0:00:25] Adam: And so I figured, why not try and get some maple sap.
[0:00:26 – 0:00:27] Adam: I’m not really planning on…
[0:00:28 – 0:00:29] Adam: Turning it into syrup.
[0:00:30 – 0:00:34] Adam: I don’t really use a lot of syrup, and I have a lot already.
[0:00:35 – 0:00:39] Adam: What I really want is just the pure sap, and I want to use it in the winemaking process.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:48] Adam: Anyways, we’re out here, we’re setting up a nice tap system with a little like hanger with a bag that you capture everything in so it keeps stuff from falling in.
[0:00:49 – 0:00:51] Adam: We found a really nice looking maple tree here.
[0:00:52 – 0:00:52] Adam: Big, beautiful.
[0:00:53 – 0:01:02] Adam: It’s got this incredible like large tree or trunk of a tree hanging from one of its branches completely vertical.
[0:01:02 – 0:01:31] Adam: yeah i don’t think i’ve seen anything like that before and then it’s just broken off right on top like a couple inches above where the snow is it’s not windy it’s just dead calm on here and it’s still just like sort of dangling ever so slightly like kind of wobbling back and forth it’s one of the weirdest things i’ve seen i i’m yeah i’m kind of in awe of what we found here so i think this tree is uh it’s really gonna produce it has spoken to us so uh we have a quite of a a nice size drill bit here
[0:01:32 – 0:01:38] Adam: and we’re just gonna place a like one inch hole in and then pound the little tap in and we have the bag system pretty much all ready to go here.
[0:01:39 – 0:01:40] Adam: So here we go.
[0:02:02 – 0:02:03] Adam: Real nice.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:20] Adam: Looks pretty good.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:32] Adam: What we got here is a friend Josh picked these up on the selling swap.
[0:02:33 – 0:02:48] Adam: from a lady and it’s kind of a big metal hoop and then you got this corresponding plastic bag that perfectly fits up through the hoop and then you kind of fold it over the top and then that slides into the carriage which hangs.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:51] Adam: It’s a really nifty system.
[0:02:52 – 0:02:59] Adam: And then when you come out to check them, I guess you can just remove this from the tap and, uh, I’m like holding it up to the microphone.
[0:02:59 – 0:03:00] Adam: Like they can see it.
[0:03:00 – 0:03:02] Erik: I see Mike, like the sheet metal is going to talk.
[0:03:02 – 0:03:03] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:03 – 0:03:04] SPEAKER_01: All right.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:04] SPEAKER_01: And that’s right.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:11] Adam: And then I capture all the sap and it, uh, hangs there real nice.
[0:03:12 – 0:03:20] Adam: So I really only need like five gallons of the syrup for the next batch of wine as just a direct substitute for the water.
[0:03:21 – 0:03:26] Adam: It’s going to be an interesting experiment we’re going to run this April because it’s April and we’ve got nothing better to do.
[0:03:26 – 0:03:28] Erik: Except for running experiments.
[0:03:28 – 0:03:28] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:28 – 0:03:30] Adam: It’s just a beautiful day out here in the woods though.
[0:03:31 – 0:03:32] Adam: The sun is out.
[0:04:00 – 0:04:04] Adam: Alright, welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:04:05 – 0:04:05] Adam: I’m Adam.
[0:04:06 – 0:04:08] Adam: With me as always is Eric.
[0:04:08 – 0:04:08] Adam: Hey!
[0:04:09 – 0:04:11] Adam: Episode 014.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:14] Adam: Wow, 14 already.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:14] Adam: 14.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:20] Adam: Tumble Home is brought to you as always by Clearwater Historic Lodge and Outfitters.
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[0:04:48 – 0:04:51] Adam: Yeah, so episode 014.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:51] Adam: 14.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:55] Adam: Yeah, that’s pretty wild.
[0:04:55 – 0:04:56] Adam: Pretty wild.
[0:04:57 – 0:05:03] Adam: Before we get into that, I have some sad news that I just read on Twitter about the podcast.
[0:05:03 – 0:05:10] Erik: Cue Price’s… Oh, I was going to say Price’s Right Trombone.
[0:05:11 – 0:05:13] Erik: Is that what you think the Price’s Right Trombone sounds like?
[0:05:15 – 0:05:16] Adam: That’s the best I could do.
[0:05:16 – 0:05:18] Adam: I can’t do the things with the…
[0:05:18 – 0:05:20] Adam: I can’t make trombone noises on command.
[0:05:20 – 0:05:20] Erik: All right, wait.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:22] Erik: Oh.
[0:05:26 – 0:05:42] Erik: there I left enough of a little break that I can we can go back in and add in that one yeah okay oh you think there’s others that’s the quintessential prices right sound effects on prices right
[0:05:42 – 0:05:44] Erik: Well, yeah, but that’s the bad one.
[0:05:45 – 0:05:50] Adam: Yeah, if you go way over on your bet, that’s what they play.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:57] Erik: Yeah, if you lose the game, or I think if you go over 100 on the wheel, they play that.
[0:05:57 – 0:05:58] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:58 – 0:06:03] Adam: So, no, this is a medical update from Twitter, apparently, about me.
[0:06:04 – 0:06:09] Adam: I’ve been placed on IR, apparently, due to a stiff rotator cuff.
[0:06:11 – 0:06:13] Adam: Or a strain of the ligament of something.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:14] Erik: Cuff, right?
[0:06:14 – 0:06:15] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:15 – 0:06:15] Erik: Not cup.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:16] Erik: Cuff.
[0:06:16 – 0:06:17] Adam: Cuff.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:18] Adam: Yeah.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:24] Adam: I mysteriously developed a sore left shoulder, which is my non-throwing shoulder.
[0:06:25 – 0:06:26] Adam: It’s kind of my paddling shoulder.
[0:06:26 – 0:06:28] Adam: I do paddle on the left.
[0:06:29 – 0:06:31] Adam: But it would be the one that stays down then.
[0:06:31 – 0:06:33] Adam: But I’m just not sure I could really J-stroke right now.
[0:06:35 – 0:06:37] Adam: My shoulder is just really sore.
[0:06:37 – 0:06:48] Adam: So it’s been like a week and I finally was convinced I need to go to the doctor and actually have it looked at because it was not getting any better even though I was resting it.
[0:06:49 – 0:06:51] Adam: Yeah, doc says I’m on the shelf.
[0:06:52 – 0:06:52] Adam: So…
[0:06:53 – 0:06:58] Erik: Shoulder stuff, I’ve dealt with that in the past too, and it takes a surprisingly long amount of time to come back.
[0:06:58 – 0:06:59] Adam: That’s what he said.
[0:06:59 – 0:07:05] Adam: Yeah, he’s like, even once it’s better, you’re still going to have to work on this for a while to get it truly better.
[0:07:05 – 0:07:07] Adam: He’s like, I didn’t even do anything.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:10] Adam: There’s no event that happened where I was like, eh.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:31] Adam: really rip the shoulder up like it just one morning I woke up and it was sore and then the next day it was even more because I just kind of was like whatever I’ll work through it and then the next day it was worse and then so on until the third day I was like well this is not good so I started to take it easy and then it kind of felt good and then I started doing like windmills with it because it was loose and then the next day that was the worst
[0:07:31 – 0:07:57] Erik: yeah you shouldn’t uh shouldn’t have windmilled yeah what was i thinking you zigged when you should have zagged i yeah had the same exact thing happened to me last fall at the end of the year where it was like nothing happened i didn’t do anything where you’re like oh yeah that’s gonna hurt for a while it was all of a sudden just like every day started getting worse and worse and then you just like i can’t move my arm i couldn’t even like put deodorant on or like put a shirt on and yeah it’s
[0:07:57 – 0:08:21] Adam: it’s weird because i can’t like put a shirt on right or yeah putting on deodorant stuff um but like on the previous episode i drew i hand drilled a hole with an auger through 24 inches ice no problem yeah like that motion not a real issue it’s just like trying to lift your arm yeah it just doesn’t want to go up so yeah i got a doctor’s note i can’t lift anything heavy at work
[0:08:21 – 0:08:46] Adam: for the next two weeks and uh i’m in a very strict regimen of like doing weird pushing exercises and ice yeah so anyways that’s the kind of stuff that happens in april yeah that’s right arrow high powered ibuprofen and when you’re not out doing enough stuff but i mean i was still out ice fishing last week it’s not like i’ve just been sitting here doing nothing but it’s it’s the off season and
[0:08:47 – 0:08:50] Adam: Body’s got to act up a little bit, but yeah.
[0:08:50 – 0:08:57] Adam: So that is one thing that really worries me is the Frost River trip permit is now roughly a month away in a few days.
[0:08:58 – 0:09:00] Adam: So I’m a little worried about my first trip of the year.
[0:09:00 – 0:09:04] Adam: Natalie and I were planning on doing the Frost River as I’ve talked about in the past.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:07] Adam: And yeah, medical situation here.
[0:09:07 – 0:09:12] Adam: I am definitely on the shelf and I don’t know that I’m going to be ready for, I guess, our season opener.
[0:09:12 – 0:09:12] Adam: And
[0:09:13 – 0:09:19] Adam: There’s a lot of paddling work I want to do trying to get Arrow here into the canoe, get her comfortable in the boat.
[0:09:20 – 0:09:24] Adam: So if we ever get open water, that might be in jeopardy too.
[0:09:25 – 0:09:36] Adam: So, less than ideal, but it’s not really what I’m mainly worried about, and that’s the best gotcha I got this week is, yeah, my shoulder’s bum, but it’s gone lousy on me.
[0:09:36 – 0:09:45] Adam: I’m a pretty quick healer, though, and I’ve got it in a virtual sling, and I can do plenty of, I don’t need one hand to get through the rest of April, let’s face it.
[0:09:46 – 0:09:51] Erik: Yeah, I mean, what else is going on out there that requires intense shoulder movement?
[0:09:51 – 0:09:54] Adam: I can certainly continue mapling with one arm.
[0:09:54 – 0:09:55] Adam: That’s fine.
[0:09:55 – 0:09:57] Adam: I got a sled, and I got a little husky.
[0:09:57 – 0:09:59] Adam: She can pull the sled, so we’re all fine there.
[0:09:59 – 0:10:01] Adam: But yeah, my real concern…
[0:10:01 – 0:10:02] Adam: is the ice.
[0:10:03 – 0:10:07] Adam: Most of the Frost River is moving water and the other stuff, small stuff.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:15] Adam: But then at the very end, you’ve got Tuscarora, a big and deep lake, probably be one of the last lakes to ice out.
[0:10:15 – 0:10:18] Adam: And that one could certainly throw a wrench in your plans at the end of that trip.
[0:10:19 – 0:10:23] Adam: So I’m definitely starting to get a little worried about the ice on that trip.
[0:10:23 – 0:10:25] Adam: And that’s my main concern going into it.
[0:10:25 – 0:10:25] Adam: And I’ve
[0:10:25 – 0:10:36] Adam: I’ve seen some other comments online about this, and I’m sure other people that have permits for May are starting to get a little worried because we still, as of last check, have about two feet of good ice out there.
[0:10:36 – 0:10:39] Adam: And, yeah, sure, it’s almost 50 today.
[0:10:40 – 0:10:41] Adam: Was it 50 yesterday?
[0:10:41 – 0:10:43] Adam: I think we determined it maybe got right to 50.
[0:10:43 – 0:10:48] Erik: I think it maybe hit 50, but it definitely didn’t get much over 50.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:49] Adam: So it’s nice and warm.
[0:10:49 – 0:10:51] Adam: I’m definitely noticing some real melt out there.
[0:10:52 – 0:10:54] Adam: And, yeah, there’s…
[0:10:54 – 0:11:23] Adam: patches of grass open to that i’ve not seen since the beginning of october which is nice but there’s still we we were walking around earlier and it’s still knee deep in some spots in the woods the snow is in the shade there’s a long way disgustingly deep and the lakes for sure as of right now still are nice and white on top and reflecting this beautiful sunlight we’re getting yep so there’s not one lake in the state of minnesota as of uh april 20th that has gone out
[0:11:24 – 0:11:42] Adam: yeah and we’re the last legs to go out so uh yeah out of all those none have gone yeah we’re still waiting um so it’s gonna be close i still have faith that uh even the big lakes will be gone by middle of may and we’re going out like may 22nd i believe so yeah
[0:11:43 – 0:11:46] Adam: But I’ve seen some comments like this online.
[0:11:46 – 0:11:52] Adam: On Reddit, I saw there was one guy asking about it, and it’s like, yeah, we might be out.
[0:11:52 – 0:11:55] Adam: We should be out, but we’re on the edge right now.
[0:11:55 – 0:11:59] Adam: But the 10-day forecast is very promising.
[0:11:59 – 0:12:02] Adam: I think the next couple of days, it’s not even going to get below freezing.
[0:12:02 – 0:12:08] Erik: I think that there’s a couple more nights coming up where it’s going to get below freezing, which kind of, that’s, that kind of sucks.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:11] Erik: We wake up in the morning, everything’s like hard as a rock again.
[0:12:12 – 0:12:23] Adam: Um, after you get, yeah, I’ve got a pretty good puddle on my path back here to the, the studio B and, uh, yeah, every morning you’re kind of like, well, it looks pretty frozen over and now you go right through.
[0:12:23 – 0:12:23] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:23 – 0:12:24] Adam: It’s like ankle deep now.
[0:12:25 – 0:12:28] Adam: I don’t know where I can really like trench it to get that to go away right now.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:30] Adam: It’s kind of tough.
[0:12:30 – 0:12:31] Adam: It’s that time of year.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:32] Adam: Yep.
[0:12:32 – 0:12:46] Adam: So anyways, um, so we were just talking about it earlier and it’s like, well, what if, you know, what do I got to do if like we get to May 15th and everything’s still locked down and it’s pretty clear it’s not going to happen.
[0:12:46 – 0:12:47] Adam: Like, what do I do with that permit?
[0:12:48 – 0:12:54] Adam: I’m pretty sure I can transfer it to like, okay, or we just go to round and try and go sit on missing link for four days.
[0:12:54 – 0:12:56] Adam: I mean, that doesn’t seem like a great use of time.
[0:12:57 – 0:12:59] Adam: So maybe I just want to cancel and do something else.
[0:12:59 – 0:13:03] Adam: But what are your options as an outfitter?
[0:13:03 – 0:13:05] Adam: What do you tell people when they call in?
[0:13:05 – 0:13:07] Adam: You’re probably going to be getting more and more calls like this.
[0:13:07 – 0:13:09] Adam: Like, hey, I got a May 20 permit.
[0:13:10 – 0:13:12] Adam: What’s the situation and what do I do?
[0:13:12 – 0:13:15] Erik: Yeah, definitely getting a lot of phone calls.
[0:13:16 – 0:13:19] Erik: Every year I get phone calls on ice conditions.
[0:13:20 – 0:13:33] Erik: And it’s one of those things like we do our best at Clearwater to keep people abreast to the current situation with the snow and the ice and the thickness and ice out.
[0:13:34 – 0:13:39] Erik: On all of our social media platforms, Facebook, Instagram, newsletters, everything.
[0:13:41 – 0:13:50] Erik: And at this point, in years past, it’s like one of those things where it is changing daily, where you can be like, look at how much it’s progressed.
[0:13:51 – 0:14:00] Adam: By the time this actually is published, things are probably going to be looking a lot more positive in the realm of like, yeah, I think the ice might actually go out of here.
[0:14:00 – 0:14:15] Erik: yeah no that’s yeah definitely but like what I was getting at is like the reason for people that are wondering like well usually he’s posting stuff letting us know what the it hasn’t changed yeah no progress it still looks like winter yeah
[0:14:16 – 0:14:17] Adam: It’s a snowy white lake.
[0:14:17 – 0:14:23] Adam: You can just repost the drone picture of Clearwater from last week to today and it’ll look the exact same.
[0:14:24 – 0:14:26] Erik: I mean, that’s precisely why.
[0:14:26 – 0:14:29] Adam: We’re kind of back to where we were because of all that snow we got.
[0:14:29 – 0:14:30] Adam: We got like four inches down here.
[0:14:30 – 0:14:31] Adam: We’re closer to the shore.
[0:14:31 – 0:14:36] Adam: Up at Clearwater, you’re saying you guys got almost a foot of fresh snow.
[0:14:36 – 0:14:37] Erik: We got 10 inches on the storm.
[0:14:37 – 0:14:41] Adam: If you’re more aligned with the southern part of the state, then we really got the dump on.
[0:14:41 – 0:14:57] Erik: Yeah, the mid-April storm that we were not forecast to get any snow, and then it eventually changed into 8 to 12, and then that Sunday night we got 10, and then some residual lake effect swirling.
[0:14:57 – 0:15:01] Adam: Yeah, even when I was going home from work Monday night, kind of late.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:03] Adam: Got another three inches that Monday night.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:04] Adam: I might drive home.
[0:15:04 – 0:15:07] Adam: Yeah, so we ended up getting over a foot for sure.
[0:15:07 – 0:15:12] Erik: And so I would say a week later, almost a week later, it’s pretty much gone.
[0:15:12 – 0:15:14] Adam: So we’re just back to the stuff we had before.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:15] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:15 – 0:15:16] Erik: And it’s hot.
[0:15:16 – 0:15:20] Erik: I mean, it’s got to be over 50 today, beaten down.
[0:15:21 – 0:15:21] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:21 – 0:15:24] Adam: Just being hiking around out there today, I was really warm.
[0:15:25 – 0:15:27] Adam: I had all the windows and doors open.
[0:15:27 – 0:15:28] Adam: It was a really nice thing.
[0:15:28 – 0:15:31] Erik: But neither of the brules have opened up.
[0:15:31 – 0:15:32] Erik: That’s always a good sign.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:36] Erik: Usually about two or three weeks out after the brules open up for most of the small lakes.
[0:15:36 – 0:15:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:15:37 – 0:15:42] Erik: usually a month after the brules start moving that you see big legs going out.
[0:15:43 – 0:15:46] Erik: And both brules are white and frozen solid.
[0:15:48 – 0:15:55] Erik: So, yeah, I get people calling me almost every day trying to figure out what am I going to do with this permit that I got?
[0:15:55 – 0:15:59] Erik: What am I going to do with this bunkhouse that I reserved the night before my trip?
[0:16:00 – 0:16:02] Erik: And I can only speak for…
[0:16:03 – 0:16:08] Erik: I can only speak for Clearwater, not to necessarily throw any other outfitters under the bus.
[0:16:08 – 0:16:11] Erik: I’m assuming that they would probably do the same thing.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:26] Erik: I don’t think anybody is going to be holding you accountable for your deposit on a bunkhouse that you can’t use because there’s still ice on a lake or your canoe deposit because there’s still two feet of ice.
[0:16:26 – 0:16:26] Erik: Like,
[0:16:27 – 0:16:38] Erik: Anything that has to get refunded because of ice that’s outside of control of both the outfitters and the people paddling is definitely something that at least Clearwater is going to refund.
[0:16:38 – 0:16:43] Adam: I imagine most other outfitters are probably going to be like… Yeah, it’s not like you want to go and do a hiking trip either this time of year.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:48] Adam: If that’s the case, that the lakes are still iced up, you don’t want to be trying to do a border route trip either.
[0:16:48 – 0:16:50] Adam: So there’s not like an alternate.
[0:16:50 – 0:16:50] Erik: No.
[0:16:51 – 0:16:59] Erik: So, yeah, any kind of a cancellation that comes down to lodging or canoes, I would imagine most places are going to be refunding that fully.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:10] Erik: Now, the tricky part is where the U.S. Forest Service, I don’t think that they’re going to change their policy on their cancellation for permits, which…
[0:17:10 – 0:17:16] Erik: Anytime you reserve a permit, you have to do it for at least two adults plus a $10 reservation fee.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:20] Erik: So that’s $16 per person plus $10.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:24] Erik: So $42 is the minimum that you have to pay to get a permit.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:35] Erik: And I don’t think they take into account circumstances that are outside of the control of the paddler, like ICE.
[0:17:36 – 0:17:37] Adam: Yeah, I don’t think they do.
[0:17:37 – 0:17:38] Erik: No, I don’t think they do.
[0:17:38 – 0:17:43] Erik: So basically, if you have to cancel a permit that you’ve reserved for the first half of May, which…
[0:17:44 – 0:17:47] Adam: I knew the chance I was taking going for a May 22nd permit.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:50] Adam: I mean, the last time this has really been an issue is maybe 2013.
[0:17:51 – 0:17:52] Adam: Not maybe, for sure.
[0:17:52 – 0:17:53] Erik: The polar vortex winter?
[0:17:53 – 0:17:59] Adam: Yeah, 2013 was brutal, and people were legit ice fishing an opener that year.
[0:17:59 – 0:18:00] Erik: Yeah, which I think is…
[0:18:00 – 0:18:01] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:18:01 – 0:18:04] Adam: I mean, I knew that it’s a chance going with a May permit.
[0:18:04 – 0:18:04] Adam: It’s on me.
[0:18:05 – 0:18:06] Erik: No, I mean, I think if…
[0:18:07 – 0:18:24] Erik: So basically what I’m trying to say is the options that you have, if you have a first half of May boundary waters permit, especially for the Gunflint Trail side, and especially if you’re on bigger lakes…
[0:18:25 – 0:18:26] Erik: It’s counterintuitive.
[0:18:26 – 0:18:27] Erik: I don’t think it’s happening.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:31] Adam: The bigger lakes lock up last, and then they’re the last to go out.
[0:18:31 – 0:18:35] Adam: Ice takes a long time to form, and it takes a long time to melt.
[0:18:36 – 0:18:41] Adam: It’s more of a long-term thing and not so much swayed by the day-to-day weather.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:42] Adam: It’s more of a climate.
[0:18:43 – 0:18:58] Erik: At this point, 10 days away from May and just a little under a month away from the fishing opener.
[0:18:59 – 0:19:03] Erik: Based on my experiences, I don’t think fishing opener is happening.
[0:19:04 – 0:19:05] Erik: Even if it does, it’ll be too cold.
[0:19:08 – 0:19:11] Erik: I would say Memorial Day weekend is 50-50 at this point.
[0:19:11 – 0:19:19] Erik: And I don’t think I’ve ever had a winter that I would have ever felt comfortable saying this.
[0:19:19 – 0:19:21] Erik: But I think there’s a potential.
[0:19:24 – 0:19:27] Erik: I would never put a percent chance on this any other year.
[0:19:27 – 0:19:30] Erik: I would put a percent chance that the ice doesn’t go until June.
[0:19:30 – 0:19:32] Adam: For a clear water, you’re saying?
[0:19:32 – 0:19:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:19:33 – 0:19:33] Erik: I could see it.
[0:19:34 – 0:19:37] Erik: It’s a small chance, but I would have never ever said that in the past.
[0:19:37 – 0:19:39] Erik: But there is a small chance.
[0:19:39 – 0:19:42] Adam: This is one of the years where you could say, oh, you might still have ice in June.
[0:19:43 – 0:19:44] Adam: It could definitely happen.
[0:19:44 – 0:19:45] Adam: For sure.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:50] Adam: If it keeps going now the way the 10-day is looking, it’ll rip apart pretty quick, although…
[0:19:50 – 0:20:07] Erik: Yeah, the one thing that I am surprised about and I think that we do have going for us is, which I was kind of surprised and I think it must have just been because the amount of snow we got, is there’s only, not only, but considering there’s like 25, 26 inches of ice on Clearwater.
[0:20:07 – 0:20:13] Adam: Right, the worst I’d heard was like on the Fowls where some guy said there was four foot ice out there.
[0:20:13 – 0:20:16] Erik: Well, I’ve heard people say that there’s like three feet of ice over on Lake of the Woods.
[0:20:16 – 0:20:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:17 – 0:20:25] Adam: So the ones that lock up real early spots and those bays or whatever that really lock in early, that can really tally up the ice.
[0:20:25 – 0:20:35] Adam: But anyhow, yeah, on most of the lakes we’ve been fishing at the end of the season and have been looking at, it’s around two foot was like the top off.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:20:36 – 0:20:40] Adam: Small lakes that were maybe 30 or 31 inches around here, but yeah.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:43] Adam: Anyways, yeah, there’s not like a crazy amount of ice.
[0:20:43 – 0:20:51] Adam: So once we get through that snow, get that shell off the top, let that sun do its thing, break it down.
[0:20:51 – 0:20:53] Erik: Yep.
[0:20:53 – 0:21:03] Erik: So your options at this point, if you do have a permit the first half of May, I’m not recommending that you just jump ship immediately.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:03] Adam: Don’t panic.
[0:21:03 – 0:21:04] Adam: You have plenty of time.
[0:21:04 – 0:21:05] Erik: Yeah, that’s the thing.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:15] Erik: You have 24 hours in advance of your entry date to cancel a BWCA permit to get a refund on every person that you paid for.
[0:21:16 – 0:21:17] Adam: You don’t get the $10 back, though.
[0:21:17 – 0:21:18] Adam: Well, you never get the $10 back.
[0:21:18 – 0:21:20] Adam: That’s the online reservation fee.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:21] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:22 – 0:21:23] Adam: Their website does work pretty nice.
[0:21:23 – 0:21:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:24 – 0:21:33] Erik: So that’s, I mean, that’s one of the things about it is it’s like there’s no reason to panic and cancel a permit unless you know you’re just like, well.
[0:21:33 – 0:21:36] Erik: Until you get to your travel date or whatever, and then, okay, we’re not going.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:39] Erik: Yeah, I usually recommend people give it a week.
[0:21:41 – 0:21:42] Erik: Just to be courteous?
[0:21:43 – 0:21:53] Erik: I mean, if you know you’re for sure, like, if you know you want to, like, for sure cancel a permit, yeah, that’s courteous because, you know… Yeah, but if you’re canceling a permit, it’s not like there’s other people clamoring to get those permits or something.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:59] Erik: Well, no, that, yeah, like, it all, this is definitely outside of the realm of, I would say, ethics if…
[0:22:02 – 0:22:05] Erik: You’re waiting to see if the ice is going to go out or not.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:09] Erik: I don’t think there’s necessarily anything wrong with hanging on to a permit a little bit longer.
[0:22:09 – 0:22:18] Erik: It’s usually the people that are like, I know I’m not taking this trip and they just get lazy and they don’t cancel a permit that it’s like, well, you know, if you cancel that, you can let somebody else use it.
[0:22:19 – 0:22:19] Erik: Right.
[0:22:19 – 0:22:19] Erik: So.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:23] Adam: Anyways, just as a general thing, like pack it in, pack it out.
[0:22:23 – 0:22:24] Adam: Just do it all the time.
[0:22:24 – 0:22:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:24 – 0:22:29] Adam: If you know you’re, you know, get your permit, get rid of your permit if you know you’re not going to use it.
[0:22:29 – 0:22:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:30 – 0:22:31] Erik: And don’t… Unpermit.
[0:22:32 – 0:22:34] Erik: Yeah, and don’t hedge your bets by getting a bunch of permits and then canceling them.
[0:22:34 – 0:22:37] Adam: Anyways, I’ve never had to cancel a permit, so…
[0:22:37 – 0:22:39] Erik: I don’t think I have either, honestly.
[0:22:39 – 0:22:39] Adam: But yeah, you can.
[0:22:40 – 0:22:49] Adam: I’m mostly worried about the ice and then somewhat worried about the shoulder, but I’m still overall very optimistic the trip is going on as planned at this point.
[0:22:49 – 0:22:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:22:49 – 0:22:52] Erik: So are the other things that you can do besides just canceling?
[0:22:52 – 0:22:56] Adam: Can we switch, like, yeah, let’s say, like, for sure Tuscarora is still locked in.
[0:22:56 – 0:23:00] Adam: There’s no way you’re going to be able to finish the Frost River loop.
[0:23:00 – 0:23:06] Adam: Then maybe we, you know, you can just go down to Frost Lake, I guess, and then do some little side trips off of that, but…
[0:23:06 – 0:23:09] Adam: Maybe I want to switch the permit altogether and just go somewhere else.
[0:23:10 – 0:23:13] Erik: Smaller lakes, moving water, or places farther west.
[0:23:13 – 0:23:15] Adam: It’s honestly not a bad spot to be going.
[0:23:15 – 0:23:17] Adam: You just don’t do the Frost River.
[0:23:17 – 0:23:21] Adam: You kind of just weave your way south and then kind of work your way back up through the small stuff there.
[0:23:21 – 0:23:25] Adam: You’d probably be okay, but let’s say I want to switch the permit anyway.
[0:23:26 – 0:23:27] Adam: Is that difficult to do?
[0:23:27 – 0:23:28] Adam: I’ve never had to do that either.
[0:23:29 – 0:23:32] Erik: No, it’s not difficult, but it’s not just as simple as saying switching it.
[0:23:32 – 0:23:33] Erik: It’s two separate things.
[0:23:33 – 0:23:36] Erik: You have to cancel it and then just start a new one.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:37] Adam: Oh, so you still lose the $10?
[0:23:37 – 0:23:39] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:23:39 – 0:23:39] Adam: Oh.
[0:23:39 – 0:23:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:40 – 0:23:42] Adam: You can’t just transfer the credit over, huh?
[0:23:42 – 0:23:42] Erik: No.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:43] Erik: Nope.
[0:23:43 – 0:23:43] Erik: That’s gone.
[0:23:44 – 0:23:48] Erik: Basically, as soon as you book a permit for the Bungie Waters, that $10 is gone.
[0:23:48 – 0:23:50] Adam: You’re giving the park the $10.
[0:23:51 – 0:23:52] Erik: I think you’re giving Recreation.gov the $10.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:56] Adam: You’re giving Recreation.gov $9 and then the park gets a dollar.
[0:23:56 – 0:23:57] Adam: That’s totally off.
[0:23:57 – 0:23:58] Erik: Yeah, that’s wrong too.
[0:23:58 – 0:23:59] Adam: Don’t hold me to that.
[0:23:59 – 0:23:59] Adam: That was a joke.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:08] Erik: The reservation fee, that’s basically what the third-party cut is for Recreation.gov and the $16 per adult and $8 per youth.
[0:24:09 – 0:24:13] Erik: That’s what pays for the bunch of ours, which is insane to me, but we won’t get into that.
[0:24:13 – 0:24:14] Erik: Let’s not get into that.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:15] Adam: It’s completely low.
[0:24:15 – 0:24:15] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:24:15 – 0:24:17] Adam: I just wanted to know what my options were.
[0:24:17 – 0:24:19] Adam: I’m sure other people are thinking about this.
[0:24:19 – 0:24:20] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:20 – 0:24:27] Erik: Even if you canceled a permit for the same day and then reserved a different entry point, that $10 is gone.
[0:24:28 – 0:24:33] Adam: Yeah, if it’s still icy on May 22nd, we’re going to cancel it on May 20th.
[0:24:35 – 0:24:36] Erik: You would get your 32 back.
[0:24:37 – 0:24:38] Adam: We’ll go a month from today.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:43] Adam: I’ll just get the 32 back, and then we’re going to book a trip to Panama.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:47] Adam: My entry point now is going to be Panama.
[0:24:47 – 0:24:49] Erik: You definitely can’t transfer that $10 to a trip to Panama.
[0:24:49 – 0:24:50] Erik: I’m pretty sure.
[0:24:50 – 0:24:50] Erik: That’s a bummer.
[0:24:51 – 0:24:53] Adam: I mean, you really should be able to.
[0:24:53 – 0:24:54] Adam: It’s like one beer at the airport.
[0:24:56 – 0:24:57] Adam: Maybe.
[0:24:57 – 0:24:58] Adam: Yeah, maybe.
[0:24:58 – 0:24:59] Adam: If I’m lucky.
[0:24:59 – 0:24:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:00 – 0:25:17] Erik: so otherwise yeah you just gotta start looking west because the ely side the vermilion side those lakes definitely go out like historically they go out much earlier than like honestly like gunflint lake clear water pine mountain those are like the last lakes to go out in the entire state
[0:25:18 – 0:25:19] Erik: Yeah, that’s true.
[0:25:20 – 0:25:23] Adam: I don’t think Tuscarora is going to be that lady.
[0:25:23 – 0:25:25] Erik: No, and I think Tuscarora is a little bit earlier.
[0:25:25 – 0:25:28] Erik: I mean, based on some of the last few years…
[0:25:28 – 0:25:32] Adam: It should be pretty easy to find out whether or not it’s open.
[0:25:32 – 0:25:33] Adam: There’s going to be people over there, so…
[0:25:34 – 0:25:40] Erik: Tuscarora Lodge and Outfitters is really good about posting their ice out conditions and how they’re around lake and missing link.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:44] Erik: And they’ll get out to Tuscarora’s and let you know as soon as that’s open.
[0:25:44 – 0:25:49] Adam: I don’t think we plan on talking about this, but do you have a lot of submissions for the ice out contest yet?
[0:25:50 – 0:25:52] Erik: I do have a bunch, actually.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:58] Erik: And I haven’t looked recently to see what the average is, but I think a lot of people, when I posted it,
[0:25:58 – 0:26:01] Adam: I think I put in like June 3rd or something.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:01] Adam: Really?
[0:26:02 – 0:26:03] Adam: Smarty pants.
[0:26:03 – 0:26:10] Erik: Well, because I think the first time I looked, like right after it got posted, it was almost a month ago now.
[0:26:10 – 0:26:13] Erik: And so I was still like, anything can happen.
[0:26:13 – 0:26:13] Adam: Really?
[0:26:13 – 0:26:14] Adam: It could have.
[0:26:14 – 0:26:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:14 – 0:26:18] Erik: And so it was mostly people like first, second week in May average.
[0:26:19 – 0:26:21] Erik: And tomorrow is the last day that anybody can enter.
[0:26:22 – 0:26:30] Erik: So if you were being a real sly guy, you could have waited and entered on the last day to get a little bit more input.
[0:26:31 – 0:26:34] Adam: Well, so by the time this airs, their entries will be closed.
[0:26:34 – 0:26:34] Adam: Yes.
[0:26:34 – 0:26:35] Adam: No.
[0:26:35 – 0:26:36] Adam: Shouldn’t have brought that up at all.
[0:26:36 – 0:26:37] Adam: No, no, whatever.
[0:26:37 – 0:26:38] Adam: That was ill-advised.
[0:26:38 – 0:26:40] Adam: That’s why it wasn’t in the show notes.
[0:26:41 – 0:26:43] Adam: Anyways, we’ll try and update you at the future point.
[0:26:44 – 0:26:49] Adam: We’ll have a fact checker on what the final entries were on that and who came the closest.
[0:26:49 – 0:26:50] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:26:50 – 0:26:50] Erik: That’ll be fun.
[0:26:50 – 0:26:55] Erik: We’ve never been able to have a big sound effect.
[0:26:55 – 0:26:55] Adam: I hope I’m wrong.
[0:26:56 – 0:26:59] Erik: Yes, I do, too, because… June 3rd.
[0:26:59 – 0:26:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:26:59 – 0:27:00] Adam: Oh, my gosh.
[0:27:00 – 0:27:03] Adam: That was a little better.
[0:27:03 – 0:27:04] Adam: June 3rd.
[0:27:04 – 0:27:04] Adam: Ugh.
[0:27:08 – 0:27:19] Erik: I mean, on one hand, it is kind of like, well, it just delays the inevitable of like having to start the season, which is always kind of a rough transition after having a winter off.
[0:27:20 – 0:27:23] Erik: But at the same time, like June 3rd.
[0:27:23 – 0:27:24] Erik: No.
[0:27:24 – 0:27:26] Erik: I kind of want to get back to work.
[0:27:27 – 0:27:34] Erik: I want to start sending people out on canoe trips and getting the lodge and everything back opened up.
[0:27:35 – 0:27:38] Erik: But to miss out on a whole month of a season is crazy.
[0:27:38 – 0:27:41] Adam: I just want to do a little, like, test paddling with the pup.
[0:27:42 – 0:27:45] Erik: Yeah, driving up here today, it was, like, dead calm on Superior.
[0:27:45 – 0:27:50] Erik: And I just, like, was, like, longingly looking out at Five Mile Rock as I drove by.
[0:27:50 – 0:27:52] Adam: I was like, we should just paddle out there.
[0:27:52 – 0:27:59] Erik: I should have just brought a canoe, meet down on the shore, paddle out to Five Mile Rock and just sit out there and have some, like, cheese and meat or something.
[0:27:59 – 0:28:00] Adam: Yeah, cheese and meat picnic.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:01] Erik: We should do that.
[0:28:01 – 0:28:05] Adam: Maybe next week’s episode and just paddle out to Five Mile Rock.
[0:28:05 – 0:28:08] Adam: I mean, I’ve been just sitting on the beaches of Lake Superior lately.
[0:28:08 – 0:28:11] Adam: just staring out and kind of pawing at the agates.
[0:28:12 – 0:28:14] Adam: Found a couple of nice ones so far.
[0:28:14 – 0:28:17] Adam: I mean, that’s another thing you do in April.
[0:28:17 – 0:28:18] Adam: We got cabin fever up here.
[0:28:18 – 0:28:21] Erik: Are we going to talk about your one, uh, crazy find?
[0:28:22 – 0:28:23] Adam: Oh, the seashell.
[0:28:24 – 0:28:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:28:24 – 0:28:25] Adam: Right.
[0:28:25 – 0:28:29] Adam: So I was down there and I did find a couple of nice agates.
[0:28:29 – 0:28:37] Adam: Uh, this was a couple of days back and then we’re like me and arrow are leaving the beach and we find this, uh,
[0:28:38 – 0:28:47] Adam: what appears to be like a conch shell, a small conch shell about the size of a quarter or maybe almost the size of a 50-cent piece.
[0:28:47 – 0:28:53] Adam: It’s quite large, all white, with some orange markings on the spiral section there on the front.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:55] Adam: And it’s very smooth.
[0:28:55 – 0:28:59] Adam: It looks like it has been in the water a very long time, but it is not fossilized.
[0:29:00 – 0:29:03] Adam: And I was like, are there snails this size in Lake Superior?
[0:29:03 – 0:29:03] Adam: No.
[0:29:03 – 0:29:05] Adam: It looks like a seashell that you would find on the ocean.
[0:29:06 – 0:29:07] Adam: Yeah, it looks like an ocean seashell.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:12] Adam: We’ll post a picture of this on the Instagram and see if anybody has any input on this.
[0:29:12 – 0:29:20] Adam: I showed it to somebody who has a lot of experience on beachcombing, and he goes, that’s pretty weird.
[0:29:20 – 0:29:21] Adam: I’ve never seen anything like that.
[0:29:21 – 0:29:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:22 – 0:29:28] Adam: So we’ll get that out to you, see if anybody out there has anything to say about this.
[0:29:28 – 0:29:29] Adam: It was pretty odd.
[0:29:30 – 0:29:33] Adam: Yeah, it’s kind of a good April activity.
[0:29:33 – 0:29:37] Adam: You get those big windstorms in the spring and then go sit down on the beach.
[0:29:37 – 0:29:40] Adam: It’s usually nice sitting on those warm rocks in the sun.
[0:29:41 – 0:29:45] Adam: It’s a pretty good time for a picnic and trying to find some agates.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:48] Erik: Yeah, we’ll have to take a look at the weather and what the wind is next week.
[0:29:48 – 0:29:49] Erik: Maybe we’ll do a haul.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:52] Adam: I’ve always wanted to paddle out to five-mile rocks.
[0:29:52 – 0:29:53] Erik: Yeah, we should try to do that.
[0:29:54 – 0:29:56] Erik: Honestly, it was glass calm.
[0:29:56 – 0:29:59] Erik: I would have been completely fine with paddling out there.
[0:30:00 – 0:30:01] Adam: It’s not really five miles out.
[0:30:01 – 0:30:04] Adam: It’s just five miles from Grand Marais.
[0:30:04 – 0:30:06] Erik: I don’t even know if it looks like it’s a mile away.
[0:30:06 – 0:30:07] Erik: It’s maybe a half mile.
[0:30:07 – 0:30:08] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:30:08 – 0:30:12] Adam: I’d love to go out there and see it in person because I’m sure it’s way bigger than it looks.
[0:30:13 – 0:30:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:14 – 0:30:17] Erik: Get out there and pack a little lunch and do a little field recording.
[0:30:17 – 0:30:18] Erik: I’ve always wanted to go out there.
[0:30:18 – 0:30:18] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:19 – 0:30:19] Erik: Well, let’s see.
[0:30:19 – 0:30:20] Adam: So that would be a few.
[0:30:20 – 0:30:26] Adam: Well, I would say, like, let’s just drop the mics right now and go, but I don’t even have my canoe over here.
[0:30:26 – 0:30:26] Adam: I know.
[0:30:26 – 0:30:27] Adam: It’s in the woodshed at the land.
[0:30:28 – 0:30:31] Erik: You have to drive either back to Clearwater or up to the land.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:32 – 0:30:35] Adam: Matt might have a canoe laying around here somewhere.
[0:30:35 – 0:30:40] Adam: We just kind of put one together from old pallets and junk we can find laying around.
[0:30:40 – 0:30:44] Erik: You feel like the paddles would probably have to be cobbled together in some form, too.
[0:30:46 – 0:30:53] Adam: Well, I mean, this is a real hodgepodge cabin fever episode, but that’s what you get in April.
[0:30:53 – 0:31:06] Erik: Yeah, not really feeling too excited or ambitious to talk about any lake specifically, but I have been getting a lot of questions about the what to do about my permit.
[0:31:07 – 0:31:08] Erik: Where can I go?
[0:31:08 – 0:31:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:09 – 0:31:13] Erik: So I think we maybe did an okay job on answering some of those questions.
[0:31:13 – 0:31:19] Adam: I think there’s a couple more things I’d like to get to quick here before the end of this episode.
[0:31:20 – 0:31:21] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:31:21 – 0:31:23] Adam: We had some Instagram activity.
[0:31:24 – 0:31:28] Adam: We didn’t really do a question of the week this week.
[0:31:29 – 0:31:35] Adam: Nobody really wanted to talk about hitchhiking, so we’re just going to give it a week off, and we’ll come back with a more popular topic next week.
[0:31:36 – 0:31:38] Erik: And we blame you, the listeners, for that.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:38] Erik: Thanks a lot.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:42] Erik: Not for the hyper-specific question about hitchhiking.
[0:31:44 – 0:32:01] Erik: yeah well maybe if we got more responses we’d ask more questions seriously guys it’s fine we just we got a little lazy and didn’t do a question so yeah there’s some serious winter like spring cabin fever blues whatever you want to call it kind of happening here it’s like
[0:32:04 – 0:32:12] Adam: Anyways, somebody on Instagram, we had previously talked about how bringing little packets of mayonnaise and Tabasco was the key.
[0:32:13 – 0:32:16] Erik: Fistfuls of mayo packets and Tabasco packets.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:18] Adam: It’s the first thing I start with.
[0:32:18 – 0:32:22] Adam: I just grab a huge fistful out of the box of both.
[0:32:22 – 0:32:26] Adam: So our good friend on Instagram, 3duckdave, tagged us in a post.
[0:32:27 – 0:32:30] Adam: It looks to be a large box of Tabasco packets.
[0:32:32 – 0:32:58] Adam: it’s a large box of them he didn’t really say how many are in here but shout out to 3duckdave great pick you just never know what you’ll find you need to have on the interwebs thanks to the guys at tumblehomecast for tipping me off that tabasco sauce came in little packets perfect for taking into the bwca that’s a hashtag bwca and a couple other nice hashtags in here hashtag thinking of you
[0:32:59 – 0:32:59] Erik: Oh.
[0:33:00 – 0:33:01] Adam: Hashtag largemouth bass.
[0:33:02 – 0:33:03] Adam: Hashtag Tabasco.
[0:33:04 – 0:33:04] SPEAKER_01: Nice.
[0:33:05 – 0:33:17] Adam: Also, I did post a response on there to him, and then another user goes, cool, two days ago, and then nine hours ago now, another comment from the same user.
[0:33:17 – 0:33:18] Adam: Amazing.
[0:33:18 – 0:33:24] Adam: So I’m glad to see and hear that other people are getting on board with the Tabasco packets.
[0:33:26 – 0:33:28] Adam: It’s always fun to see, and it’s a really good thing.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:33] Adam: If you missed that episode, another shout-out to Tabasco Packets and Mayo Packets.
[0:33:33 – 0:33:34] Erik: It’s the way to go.
[0:33:34 – 0:33:35] Erik: Hellman, too, by the way.
[0:33:35 – 0:33:37] Adam: Yeah, get real.
[0:33:37 – 0:33:46] Adam: We’ve been getting some direct messages on Instagram and another kind of food-related one we had gotten.
[0:33:46 – 0:33:47] Adam: We had talked about putting Nalgene.
[0:33:47 – 0:33:51] Adam: You just crack your eggs right into a Nalgene.
[0:33:51 – 0:33:52] Adam: Instead of bringing out the eggs whole,
[0:33:53 – 0:34:13] Erik: in like those little carrier things which always seem to just crack one or two of the eggs anyways even though they’re designed to keep your eggs safe yeah the worst the worst egg carrier are the specifically designed plastic coglins brand egg carriers and then up from that is just actually using the cardboard egg cartons with a little paper towel
[0:34:13 – 0:34:15] Adam: We’re never going to get sponsored by Coglins.
[0:34:15 – 0:34:16] Erik: That’s fine.
[0:34:16 – 0:34:19] Erik: I don’t want to be sponsored by that trash company.
[0:34:20 – 0:34:23] Erik: Have you ever used a Coglins product and been satisfied?
[0:34:23 – 0:34:24] Erik: Never.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:27] Erik: What’s the longest you’ve ever used a Coglins?
[0:34:27 – 0:34:27] Adam: Never satisfied.
[0:34:28 – 0:34:29] Adam: Never satisfied.
[0:34:30 – 0:34:39] Erik: I think every time I’ve ever used something that they’ve made, it is either broken immediately or… Coguns doesn’t follow us on Instagram either, so they’re never going to hear about this probably, but… Yeah.
[0:34:40 – 0:34:42] Adam: You, the listener, will hear about it.
[0:34:42 – 0:34:49] Adam: The way to go with your eggs is to crack them all into a Nalgene, as many as you think you’ll need, and then when you’re like, oh, we need six eggs…
[0:34:49 – 0:34:53] Adam: You got a hot pan here, you can literally just pour out like one, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop.
[0:34:54 – 0:34:55] Adam: And they all stick together.
[0:34:55 – 0:34:57] Adam: They all stay together and usually the yolks even stay together.
[0:34:58 – 0:35:06] Adam: Occasionally you’ll break a yolk, but heck, hell, some of the time you crack an egg and then the yolk just breaks right there in the pan anyways.
[0:35:07 – 0:35:08] SPEAKER_01: Right out of the shell.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:09] Erik: Yep.
[0:35:10 – 0:35:20] Adam: Anyways, we had a user on there, one of our friends on Instagram goes, from Missouri, he goes, he or she, now I did it.
[0:35:20 – 0:35:21] Erik: Her friend on Instagram.
[0:35:21 – 0:35:24] Erik: You did it the first, I think that’s the first time you’ve done that.
[0:35:25 – 0:35:29] Adam: Anyways, our friend says, I got a question.
[0:35:29 – 0:35:31] Adam: Love the idea of cracking eggs in the Nalgene.
[0:35:31 – 0:35:33] Adam: Does this affect the longevity of the eggs?
[0:35:34 – 0:35:37] Adam: I’ve used the Coglins egg carriers with breakage here and there.
[0:35:37 – 0:35:38] Adam: Always looking for a better way.
[0:35:40 – 0:36:07] Adam: well the better way is first burn the Coghlan’s egg carrier because that thing that’s all that’s basically an egg breaker it’s an egg breaker yeah anyways so I basically just went I said back yeah I know we’ve never had an issue with the eggs you know degradation of the egg or egg yolk has always never been an issue doing it that way but I’ve never really done it on a trip longer than like three days
[0:36:08 – 0:36:13] Erik: I wouldn’t necessarily recommend doing it and then planning on having eggs the third morning of an August trip.
[0:36:13 – 0:36:19] Adam: Right, I guess you just bring enough for the first couple mornings probably or tops maybe three mornings in.
[0:36:19 – 0:36:26] Adam: And then the other thing is, we’ve also mentioned, we usually don’t really go out in August a ton, especially on any long trips.
[0:36:26 – 0:36:34] Adam: But that would be, in what I had responded on the comment here, I just said the only time I’d maybe be concerned…
[0:36:35 – 0:36:59] Adam: as a with the eggs and the nalgene but then you’d be concerned anyways you’d just be like if it’s really warm in like an august trip or something you’re going for a week in august yeah maybe don’t eat the the you know the raw eggs or fresh eggs on like day six try and just eat them up real quick that would be my only concern is uh i work in uh food and uh
[0:36:59 – 0:37:04] Adam: I’m safety certified, and that would definitely be a time and temperature abuse of your eggs.
[0:37:04 – 0:37:05] Adam: Yeah.
[0:37:05 – 0:37:06] Adam: You’re not going to want to do that.
[0:37:06 – 0:37:09] Adam: Yeah, I think like even… Common sense, I guess, but…
[0:37:09 – 0:37:12] Erik: Even refrigerated eggs are like at once cracked.
[0:37:12 – 0:37:18] Erik: They’re like two days is what the official statement is, but that’s usually like the…
[0:37:19 – 0:37:21] Erik: They go real safe on those days.
[0:37:21 – 0:37:29] Adam: I guess if you really wanted eggs seven days in, I’d hard boil them and then peel them and, like, put them in a Nalgene, like, kind of pre-cooked like that or something.
[0:37:29 – 0:37:31] Adam: That might stink, but I think that would be safe as well.
[0:37:31 – 0:37:32] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:37:32 – 0:37:34] Erik: Yeah, if you really need eggs on that seventh day.
[0:37:34 – 0:37:37] Adam: Just go with the dehydrated eggs on day six, okay?
[0:37:37 – 0:37:38] Erik: Pickled eggs.
[0:37:38 – 0:37:40] Adam: So that answers that question.
[0:37:40 – 0:37:42] Adam: Thanks for your comments and questions.
[0:37:42 – 0:37:45] Adam: And for any of you out there on Instagram,
[0:37:46 – 0:38:10] Adam: uh not posting a ton right now just because um yeah my phone with all my good pictures got unfortunately broken so i’ve i don’t have any good pictures on you were using a coglins case that’s why yeah that’s my mistake so not the phone yeah so anyhow i just i’ve been posting some seasonal stuff from around the the yard out here but i don’t have a ton of like paddling pictures on there quite yet so
[0:38:11 – 0:38:15] Adam: But we’re on there and posting a good amount, just not like every day or anything.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:16] Erik: Tumble Home Cast.
[0:38:16 – 0:38:17] Adam: Tumble Home Cast.
[0:38:17 – 0:38:18] Adam: Find us on Instagram.
[0:38:19 – 0:38:21] Adam: We’re pretty active, even if we’re not posting stuff.
[0:38:21 – 0:38:24] Adam: I like getting the comments and the questions and another way to find us.
[0:38:24 – 0:38:25] SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
[0:38:26 – 0:38:31] Adam: Shout out to 3DuckDave and anonymous user with the direct message.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:37] Adam: I don’t want to reveal your identity in case you’re with Coglins or the egg lobby.
[0:38:38 – 0:38:39] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:38:39 – 0:38:40] Erik: We don’t want to have Big Egg on our case.
[0:38:40 – 0:38:41] Adam: I don’t want to do Big Egg.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:41] Adam: No.
[0:38:42 – 0:38:46] Erik: Yeah, the name of this episode is definitely just going to be Coglins is Trash.
[0:38:46 – 0:38:48] Adam: AKA Spring Fever.
[0:38:48 – 0:38:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:48 – 0:38:50] Erik: We’ve got 14 episodes.
[0:38:50 – 0:38:54] Erik: We can start disparaging potential sponsors and products, right?
[0:38:55 – 0:38:56] Adam: Especially if it’s Coglins.
[0:38:56 – 0:39:00] Adam: I’d rather have three good beer sponsors and not have anything to do with Coglins.
[0:39:00 – 0:39:01] Adam: I’d be fine with that.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:05] Erik: Just a bunch of junk China-made camping equipment.
[0:39:06 – 0:39:07] Adam: Hashtag Chinamade.
[0:39:07 – 0:39:12] Adam: All right.
[0:39:12 – 0:39:16] Erik: We could sit here all day and just start whittling down the listeners.
[0:39:16 – 0:39:19] Adam: This is going to be kind of a shorter episode, obviously, but that’s okay.
[0:39:20 – 0:39:23] Adam: It is April, and we appreciate you tuning in.
[0:39:23 – 0:39:23] Adam: Appreciate it.
[0:39:23 – 0:39:25] Adam: Everybody’s itchy and ready to get a trip on.
[0:39:25 – 0:39:26] Adam: I can feel it.
[0:39:26 – 0:39:27] Adam: The electricity is in the air.
[0:39:28 – 0:39:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:28 – 0:39:31] Erik: It’s like a St. Elmo’s fire up here in Cook County.
[0:39:32 – 0:39:41] Erik: It’s a collective static electricity of everybody just knowing that this winter has been way too long.
[0:39:42 – 0:39:47] Erik: And people are itching in every way, shape, and form to get back out on the water.
[0:39:47 – 0:39:48] Adam: See some green on the trees?
[0:39:49 – 0:39:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:39:50 – 0:39:53] Adam: I actually see there’s like an inflatable dinghy out there.
[0:39:54 – 0:39:57] Adam: in the yard, we should just pump that up and take it out to five mile right now.
[0:39:58 – 0:40:00] Adam: So I guess we’re just going to leave you with that.
[0:40:00 – 0:40:02] Adam: We’re going to get out there on the water one way or the other.
[0:40:02 – 0:40:04] Erik: This might be our last podcast.
[0:40:05 – 0:40:12] Adam: If the winds pick up and the currents are moving, you may find us on the other side of the big lake.
[0:40:12 – 0:40:14] Adam: Until then, thanks for listening.
[0:40:14 – 0:40:16] Adam: This has been Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:17] Adam: I’m Adam.
[0:40:18 – 0:40:18] Adam: I’m Eric.
[0:40:19 – 0:40:22] Adam: Happy paddling.
[0:40:23 – 0:40:23] Erik: And tapping.
[0:40:25 – 0:40:28] Adam: And are you going?
[0:40:29 – 0:40:29] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:40:30 – 0:40:31] Adam: Three, two, one.
[0:40:33 – 0:40:33] Adam: All right.
[0:40:33 – 0:40:40] Adam: So we’ve had our sets going, our traps here, our syrup traps have been going all afternoon.
[0:40:42 – 0:40:47] Adam: And, yeah, two of them are going really nice.
[0:40:47 – 0:40:50] Adam: The one that looks like it’s definitely going, and then the third one isn’t quite going yet.
[0:40:51 – 0:40:53] Adam: So it’s the smallest of the trees that we’ve tried, so…
[0:40:54 – 0:40:59] Adam: There’s another bigger one over yonder that we may have to switch that last trap out for.
[0:40:59 – 0:41:01] Adam: But again, we don’t need that much.
[0:41:01 – 0:41:04] Adam: But the first one, this big one here is really going strong.
[0:41:05 – 0:41:11] Adam: We’ve got a shot glass out here and it’s half full of sweet, sweet maple sap.
[0:41:12 – 0:41:13] Adam: We’re going to have a taste.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:17] Adam: I’ve never tried the water right out of the tree, but I’m told it’s best fresh.
[0:41:17 – 0:41:18] Adam: Let’s have it.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:18] Erik: Cheers.
[0:41:25 – 0:41:26] SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:28] Adam: That is exceptional.
[0:41:29 – 0:41:31] Adam: It is quite refreshing.
[0:41:32 – 0:41:40] Adam: A little bit sweet, but overall, it’s kind of what I was expecting, but better.
[0:41:40 – 0:41:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:42 – 0:41:51] Adam: So I noticed the other one was going pretty good, so why don’t we mosey on over there, and you should have a try on this for sure.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:51] SPEAKER_00: All right.
[0:41:53 – 0:42:05] SPEAKER_00: I will leash your feather Under the maple staring moon We will learn to live together We will learn to live together
[0:42:19 – 0:42:22] UNKNOWN: It will all come together.
[0:42:22 – 0:42:25] SPEAKER_00: It will all come together.
[0:43:05 – 0:43:05] SPEAKER_00: Oh,
