067: Searching for Home

Episode Transcript

[0:00:01 – 0:00:01] UNKNOWN: Ooh!
[0:00:28 – 0:00:33] Erik: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:34 – 0:00:41] Erik: We’ll learn, we’ll laugh, we’ll hug, we’ll paddle, and everyone will skedaddle!
[0:00:45 – 0:01:07] Erik: going forward that is the new intro forever and always uh welcome to tumble home bonjour podcast for real my name is eric and joined as always francois le castor now with you i’m with you here in studio a eric oh yeah don’t let the uh poor french accent
[0:01:08 – 0:01:09] Adam: That’s a dollar in the jar.
[0:01:10 – 0:01:18] Erik: We are for the first time in like a year, maybe, in Studio A.
[0:01:18 – 0:01:18] Erik: Probably.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:20] Erik: Probably.
[0:01:20 – 0:01:21] Erik: Probably.
[0:01:24 – 0:01:29] Erik: Yeah, we’re out here in the, we’re holding mics like cavemen.
[0:01:29 – 0:01:31] Adam: Yeah, holding mics like a heathen.
[0:01:31 – 0:01:39] Erik: Sitting out on Studio A, which used to be the real go-to studio out here in the woods.
[0:01:39 – 0:01:40] Adam: Still has great ambiance.
[0:01:40 – 0:01:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:43] Erik: It’s a little bit later in the day.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:53] Erik: I don’t know if we’re going to get much breeze background audio or bird tweetings, but maybe some gunfire from the local gravel pit.
[0:01:53 – 0:01:54] Adam: The ammunition dump down the way.
[0:01:55 – 0:01:55] Adam: Basically.
[0:01:55 – 0:01:57] Adam: That’s what Studio A stands for.
[0:01:57 – 0:01:58] Erik: That’s what it sounds like.
[0:01:58 – 0:01:58] Erik: Yes.
[0:01:58 – 0:01:59] Erik: Studio Ammo Dump.
[0:02:01 – 0:02:07] Erik: So, yes, we are together at last.
[0:02:07 – 0:02:08] Erik: It’s been a while.
[0:02:08 – 0:02:09] Erik: We’ve been in the field.
[0:02:10 – 0:02:12] Erik: We’ve been working like crazy.
[0:02:13 – 0:02:14] Erik: And we are together.
[0:02:15 – 0:02:16] Erik: And we are recording.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:18] Erik: It’s all happening.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:22] Erik: Before we get to this week’s episode, some news and notes.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:28] Erik: Before that, we have to mention we are sponsored by our friends on Patreon.
[0:02:29 – 0:02:30] Erik: Thank you, friends.
[0:02:30 – 0:02:38] Erik: And a quick apology to any recent Poppin’ the Wheelers or Save the Baju Waters sponsors.
[0:02:38 – 0:02:41] Erik: It is the peak of the peak right now.
[0:02:42 – 0:02:46] Erik: And I know I still need to get some things in the mail for you guys.
[0:02:46 – 0:02:46] Adam: Sorry.
[0:02:46 – 0:02:48] Adam: I didn’t even know we had new Poppin’ the Wheelers.
[0:02:48 – 0:02:51] Erik: Yeah, and we have to shout out so many people.
[0:02:52 – 0:02:58] Erik: It’s just when the dust settles after the madness that is occurring right now, we’re going to get our ducks in a row.
[0:02:58 – 0:03:01] Adam: We’re going to really just… We’re going to get our swans in a row.
[0:03:01 – 0:03:03] Erik: We’re going to start taking care of those patrons.
[0:03:03 – 0:03:13] Adam: Dive, and then we’re going upstream like a baby swan, and then we’re going to regroup and get back and give the proper amount of effort into these shout-outs, but they are coming.
[0:03:13 – 0:03:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:03:13 – 0:03:14] Erik: Ooh, there they go.
[0:03:14 – 0:03:15] Erik: There’s the ammo dump.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:16] Erik: Ammos.
[0:03:16 – 0:03:16] Adam: Ammo.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:19] Erik: Yeah, they’re out there.
[0:03:19 – 0:03:21] Erik: Yeah, they’re out there.
[0:03:21 – 0:03:24] Erik: So, yeah, thank you, everybody on Patreon.
[0:03:24 – 0:03:33] Adam: I liked on the Great Carrying Place how you, on one of your elocutions, had said, I could eat a whole wheel and go for several pops.
[0:03:34 – 0:03:36] Adam: I said I was surly for a pop.
[0:03:36 – 0:03:38] Adam: I was surly for a pop.
[0:03:38 – 0:03:40] Adam: But when you first said that you could eat a whole wheel, I was like…
[0:03:41 – 0:03:42] Adam: That doesn’t sound very good.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:43] Adam: Oh, yes.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:44] Adam: Oh, yes.
[0:03:44 – 0:03:44] Adam: That’s right.
[0:03:45 – 0:03:45] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:45 – 0:03:46] Adam: Wheel.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:47] Erik: One of the things.
[0:03:47 – 0:03:48] Erik: It’s one of our trademarks now.
[0:03:48 – 0:03:49] Erik: One of our things, yeah.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:50] Erik: And we did.
[0:03:51 – 0:03:51] Adam: We did.
[0:03:51 – 0:03:54] Adam: I don’t think we ever updated that at the end of the episode.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:54] Adam: We did.
[0:03:54 – 0:03:59] Adam: But we did go and get several wheels and several pops.
[0:03:59 – 0:04:02] Adam: At the… We limped into the wheel store.
[0:04:02 – 0:04:03] Adam: Yeah, the wheel store.
[0:04:03 – 0:04:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:04 – 0:04:08] Adam: We’ll take several wheels and three or four or eight of your finest pops.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:11] Erik: Yeah, I think the only time ever…
[0:04:11 – 0:04:16] Adam: I’ll just limp over to this picnic table next to the group of 16 back here.
[0:04:16 – 0:04:23] Erik: I think going forward, the only time I’m ever going to eat at Sven and Ollie’s is if I’ve just gotten done doing the Grand Portage.
[0:04:23 – 0:04:24] Erik: Whoa.
[0:04:24 – 0:04:26] Erik: So, yeah, I think that makes sense.
[0:04:27 – 0:04:27] Erik: Right.
[0:04:27 – 0:04:28] Adam: I think it’s a good call.
[0:04:28 – 0:04:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:31] Erik: But I mean, it tasted amazing at the time.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:33] Erik: That’s not.
[0:04:33 – 0:04:33] Erik: Absolutely.
[0:04:33 – 0:04:36] Erik: The only time Sven and Oli’s pizza tastes good is after hiking.
[0:04:36 – 0:04:37] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:04:37 – 0:04:38] Adam: I think the pizza was fine.
[0:04:39 – 0:04:40] Adam: I had no real qualms with the pizza.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:42] Adam: It was just the ambiance.
[0:04:42 – 0:04:42] Adam: Yeah.
[0:04:42 – 0:04:52] Adam: Maybe that is the crowd and the system to order, which was confusing, especially in my state of mind after having just completed 10.3 miles of twisting and
[0:04:53 – 0:05:18] Adam: tree-laden national forest service yeah uh and uh historic trail most importantly what came first the national forest service or the uh the trail itself i’m just kidding i think i read i think i read or heard somewhere that that trail the grand portage is like 10 000 years old at least wow at a minimum yeah well we dates jesus christ himself
[0:05:20 – 0:05:20] Erik: Okay.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:22] Adam: Now I’m making wild claims.
[0:05:22 – 0:05:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:05:23 – 0:05:27] Erik: I think there’s going to be some more information on the Voyageurs and that Grand Portage.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:31] Erik: I’ve got some books of potential facts.
[0:05:31 – 0:05:33] Erik: We’ve had our personal experience with it.
[0:05:33 – 0:05:42] Erik: I’m looking forward to maybe getting a little bit of the day-to-day experience of the Voyageurs and the way they lived in a future episode.
[0:05:42 – 0:05:46] Erik: Before we continue, we have this week’s sponsorship.
[0:05:46 – 0:05:48] Adam: It’s a long time coming.
[0:05:49 – 0:06:00] Erik: Going forward, I don’t foresee many more in the field episodes, so it’ll be nice to get some of these beer sponsorships out of the way.
[0:06:00 – 0:06:02] Erik: I think part of the problem is why we have such a backlog.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:02] Adam: Not out of the way.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:05] Adam: It’ll be nice to get these beer sponsors.
[0:06:05 – 0:06:11] Erik: I really pulled a deke on the way that I was talking the underwriters out there.
[0:06:12 – 0:06:18] Adam: Well, I suppose we should get these here beer sponsorships.
[0:06:18 – 0:06:22] Erik: Yeah, but now that we’re not sponsored by refreshing white wine every week.
[0:06:22 – 0:06:23] Erik: It’s too bad.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:26] Erik: A nice fridge full of beers from the summer.
[0:06:27 – 0:06:38] Erik: And these ones, I remember the main reason that I know that they’re from all the way back in May is I took a picture of the little note that was on the box that came with them just in case.
[0:06:39 – 0:06:42] Erik: And I remember I told you what they were at the time, but I’m pulling them out here.
[0:06:42 – 0:06:44] Erik: And you’ll probably be surprised just again.
[0:06:45 – 0:06:46] Erik: We’ve got the…
[0:06:47 – 0:07:05] Erik: new holland brewing dragon’s milk bourbon barrel aged stout holy moly yeah these are some uh 11 percent abv and these are from
[0:07:08 – 0:07:08] Erik: Evan.
[0:07:09 – 0:07:12] Erik: And I really like the note that Evan supplied with the beer.
[0:07:13 – 0:07:14] Erik: Enjoy.
[0:07:15 – 0:07:20] Erik: When ABV is greater than 10, then it means absolute best value.
[0:07:22 – 0:07:23] Erik: Which is great.
[0:07:23 – 0:07:24] Erik: I’ve never heard that one before.
[0:07:24 – 0:07:26] Adam: That’s a real Evan thing to say.
[0:07:26 – 0:07:27] Adam: Thank you, Evan.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:27] Erik: Thanks, Evan.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:29] Erik: We are finally getting to the beers.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:31] Adam: The dragon’s milk.
[0:07:31 – 0:07:32] Erik: Greatly appreciate it.
[0:07:32 – 0:07:38] Adam: Can’t wait to add this one to the TumbleTaps account with a grade.
[0:07:38 – 0:07:42] Adam: We will be delivering the grade or the verdict later in the episode.
[0:07:43 – 0:07:45] Erik: Since we are off, we are no internet.
[0:07:46 – 0:07:49] Erik: We’re just going to have to do one at a time.
[0:07:49 – 0:07:49] Erik: I guess so.
[0:07:50 – 0:07:51] Erik: Studio popping is not happening.
[0:07:54 – 0:07:55] Adam: Off the Peggy mug.
[0:07:55 – 0:07:56] Adam: Nice.
[0:07:57 – 0:07:58] Erik: Oh, did I land them on my shoulder?
[0:07:58 – 0:07:59] Erik: You did.
[0:07:59 – 0:07:59] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:00 – 0:08:03] Adam: You got a little Petey bird up there.
[0:08:04 – 0:08:05] Adam: Yeah, pretty bird.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:07] Adam: Yeah, pretty bird.
[0:08:08 – 0:08:09] Adam: Pretty bird.
[0:08:09 – 0:08:10] Adam: Cheers.
[0:08:10 – 0:08:10] Adam: Cheers, friend.
[0:08:17 – 0:08:17] Erik: Whoa.
[0:08:19 – 0:08:23] Adam: Well, it’s a good thing I don’t open tomorrow.
[0:08:25 – 0:08:25] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:25 – 0:08:26] Erik: Hey-oh.
[0:08:26 – 0:08:28] Erik: Dragon’s milk.
[0:08:29 – 0:08:30] Erik: Delicious.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:31] Erik: It’s a real regal.
[0:08:31 – 0:08:31] Adam: Regal.
[0:08:35 – 0:08:36] Adam: That’s a real Viserion.
[0:08:37 – 0:08:38] Erik: Wow, that’s good.
[0:08:39 – 0:08:42] Erik: Yeah, one of those will do just fine.
[0:08:44 – 0:08:48] Adam: That will offset the Min Gold I have here nicely.
[0:08:48 – 0:08:51] Erik: Yeah, it’s like a chaser.
[0:08:52 – 0:08:57] Adam: This dragon’s milk is like jumping into Clearwater when the sun has gone down.
[0:08:58 – 0:09:00] Adam: Yeah, that was ill-timed.
[0:09:01 – 0:09:01] Adam: Odd decision.
[0:09:02 – 0:09:04] Adam: Well, it was premeditated.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:07] Erik: Yeah, so you had your hopes set on it.
[0:09:07 – 0:09:12] Adam: So, yes, I would like to report I did jump into Clearwater today.
[0:09:12 – 0:09:16] Adam: It’s the latest I’ve ever jumped into Clearwater Lake.
[0:09:16 – 0:09:22] Adam: It is middle of August, and this is the first time I’ve jumped off the dock at Clearwater this summer.
[0:09:22 – 0:09:44] Adam: but i i did it i was in and but by the time i got here i was stuck behind a very very slow caravan of rvs coming up the trail so by the time i got here the sun was already down and uh it was not really that warm but the water was nice i think it was mostly cloudy the sun is uh up still but not
[0:09:44 – 0:09:46] Adam: It wasn’t providing any heat.
[0:09:46 – 0:09:50] Adam: Down where the dock is here, it’s kind of in the little pocket there.
[0:09:50 – 0:09:50] Erik: For sure.
[0:09:51 – 0:09:58] Adam: So anyhow, I’m not sure that’s an apt description of the beer, but that’s just kind of how it feels.
[0:09:58 – 0:10:00] Adam: The water was not as cold as I thought it was going to be.
[0:10:00 – 0:10:04] Adam: It was just when I got out, if that makes sense.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:06] Erik: Yeah, that’s the tough thing right now.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:13] Erik: The water is usually, this time of year, well, not usually, but if the sun’s not up, the water is definitely warmer than the air temperature.
[0:10:14 – 0:10:14] Adam: Can you milk a dragon?
[0:10:18 – 0:10:19] Adam: Yeah, I guess you can.
[0:10:19 – 0:10:21] Erik: I mean, in this case, I think, yeah.
[0:10:21 – 0:10:22] Erik: Where else do they get this from?
[0:10:22 – 0:10:23] Erik: Michigan.
[0:10:24 – 0:10:24] Erik: Michigan.
[0:10:26 – 0:10:26] Adam: All right.
[0:10:26 – 0:10:27] Adam: The Great Lakes did.
[0:10:28 – 0:10:28] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:10:29 – 0:10:30] Adam: Cheers, friends.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:31] Adam: Cheers again.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:32] Adam: All right.
[0:10:32 – 0:10:35] Adam: It’s time to get into news and notes.
[0:10:35 – 0:10:36] SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, no, no.
[0:10:37 – 0:10:40] Adam: Hoos and notes.
[0:10:41 – 0:10:42] Adam: How about that one?
[0:10:42 – 0:10:45] Adam: That sounded more like… That wasn’t how I did it in rehearsal.
[0:10:45 – 0:10:46] Erik: No, you didn’t.
[0:10:47 – 0:10:51] Adam: No hoos, no hoos, no hoos and notes.
[0:10:51 – 0:10:53] Erik: Yeah, that sounds a little bit better.
[0:10:53 – 0:10:54] Erik: That sounds more like a loon.
[0:10:54 – 0:10:59] Erik: What you started with sounded way more like early rockabilly.
[0:11:00 – 0:11:00] Erik: News.
[0:11:00 – 0:11:03] Adam: It’s more like terrible yodeling.
[0:11:04 – 0:11:06] Erik: Also terrible yodeling, yeah.
[0:11:06 – 0:11:08] Adam: News and notes.
[0:11:08 – 0:11:10] Adam: Well, I think that’s kind of the drop going forward.
[0:11:10 – 0:11:11] Adam: We’ll have to figure one out.
[0:11:11 – 0:11:12] Adam: We don’t have a board.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:13] Adam: All our drops are live.
[0:11:13 – 0:11:17] Adam: I don’t know if anybody’s noticed this before, but the show, we don’t have a board.
[0:11:18 – 0:11:18] Adam: No?
[0:11:18 – 0:11:19] Adam: Yet.
[0:11:19 – 0:11:19] Adam: Not yet.
[0:11:20 – 0:11:24] Adam: So, first order of business is airplanes in the Boundary Waters.
[0:11:24 – 0:11:24] Adam: Update.
[0:11:25 – 0:11:28] Adam: That’s kind of our Unsolved Mysteries thing there.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:28] Adam: Update.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:29] Adam: At this point.
[0:11:30 – 0:11:36] Adam: We’ve been tracking this story for months, friends, and had a new piece of information come in, we must report.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:42] Adam: Somebody on our Instagram page sent me a message, and I’m sorry, we’re in Studio A.
[0:11:42 – 0:11:43] Adam: We don’t have internet.
[0:11:44 – 0:11:48] Adam: I don’t have it in front of me, but shout out to whoever sent the message and the hot tip.
[0:11:48 – 0:11:49] Erik: You know who you are.
[0:11:49 – 0:11:49] Adam: You know who you are.
[0:11:50 – 0:11:50] Adam: We’ll get you later.
[0:11:51 – 0:11:53] Adam: And they sent an account.
[0:11:53 – 0:11:55] Adam: They said, I think you’ll find this account interesting.
[0:11:55 – 0:12:05] Adam: And it’s like literally the account of the Shagawa Lake seaplane base, which is the home of the U.S. Forest Service, like MedVac unit.
[0:12:06 – 0:12:08] Adam: They have a de Havilland Beaver and a Cessna.
[0:12:09 – 0:12:13] Adam: I think it’s a 185, both with floats, both red with silver paint.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:20] Adam: And a lot of photos of them with like hashtag like in the boundary waters and such.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:22] Adam: So I don’t know.
[0:12:22 – 0:12:24] Adam: I guess medvacking is happening more often than we thought.
[0:12:25 – 0:12:27] Adam: Or it could be like practice runs and stuff.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:35] Adam: Well, then also it was, you know, we kind of sent a screen grab of this account to our friend in the forest service.
[0:12:35 – 0:12:37] Adam: And she was like, oh, yeah.
[0:12:38 – 0:12:40] Adam: Yeah, that would make sense, actually.
[0:12:40 – 0:12:48] Adam: They do, like, route over the park, you know, looking just for fires and just whatnot, general, like, reconnaissance.
[0:12:48 – 0:12:53] Adam: They just are up there, and they are above the flight deck, as we had previously discussed.
[0:12:53 – 0:12:57] Adam: Like, 4,000 feet above sea level is really not that far above the actual…
[0:12:58 – 0:13:01] Adam: surface of the Boundary Waters itself.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:05] Erik: Yeah, I think we talked about that in the storm episode, which makes a lot of sense.
[0:13:05 – 0:13:15] Adam: So, it’s a good chance after all this rambling and we’re sorry for any of the pilots who may have been offended by our waving of the bird at them.
[0:13:15 – 0:13:18] Adam: I’m not sure I’m sorry actually, because they do fly over quite a bit.
[0:13:18 – 0:13:20] Adam: I still don’t know why they need to be flying over that much.
[0:13:20 – 0:13:21] Erik: I stand by my bird.
[0:13:21 – 0:13:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:22 – 0:13:23] Adam: It was just one.
[0:13:23 – 0:13:25] Adam: Alright, if they’re medvacking, cool.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:30] Adam: The Instagram account was really nice, cool pictures.
[0:13:30 – 0:13:30] Adam: I bet.
[0:13:30 – 0:13:32] Adam: I’m not sure how I feel about it at this point.
[0:13:32 – 0:13:36] Adam: It’s an inconclusive conclusion to this thread.
[0:13:36 – 0:13:37] Adam: There are some answers, though.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:39] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, at least it’s answers.
[0:13:39 – 0:13:39] SPEAKER_02: More or less.
[0:13:40 – 0:13:41] Adam: So they have a couple, yeah.
[0:13:41 – 0:13:43] Adam: They apparently have a couple…
[0:13:43 – 0:13:47] Adam: different planes but not enough pilots, but they sure seem like they have enough pilots.
[0:13:47 – 0:13:48] Adam: They’re flying around all the time.
[0:13:49 – 0:13:58] Adam: So I don’t know if that’s every plane we’ve seen, but it’s probable due to the red and silver paint jobs that this is at least some of the planes we’ve seen.
[0:13:59 – 0:14:03] Adam: So you can close the case on that one.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:04] Adam: Case closed.
[0:14:07 – 0:14:08] Adam: Case closed sound effect?
[0:14:08 – 0:14:09] Adam: Yeah.
[0:14:09 – 0:14:09] Adam: Dun-dun-dun.
[0:14:11 – 0:14:12] Adam: Is that the case opening?
[0:14:12 – 0:14:14] Adam: The case is closed.
[0:14:14 – 0:14:16] Adam: Yeah, that’s me putting my foot down.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:19] Adam: I think we’ll put the foot down on that one, but I don’t know.
[0:14:19 – 0:14:22] Adam: I’m not sure how I feel about it.
[0:14:22 – 0:14:27] Erik: Yeah, I could use more details in terms of why.
[0:14:27 – 0:14:33] Adam: Yeah, maybe when we get back to the internet, we can give a shout-out to the person who alerted us to the Instagram account.
[0:14:33 – 0:14:34] Adam: Maybe we could…
[0:14:35 – 0:14:59] Adam: give a little more detail but apparently they’re flying out of shagawa and then they had like on an east to west line kind of on an observation route right over little sag perfecto yeah so that was the first order of business you have a second one that i’m not aware of yeah second order of business was you were out on a guided trip i was and you missed the 2012 show on the tip and
[0:15:01 – 0:15:03] Erik: Oh, I heard all about it.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:05] Erik: I did not realize that the wives were going down for that.
[0:15:05 – 0:15:06] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:15:06 – 0:15:10] Adam: Natalie and I were off on Monday, day of the show.
[0:15:11 – 0:15:12] Adam: It’s the Monday night mix show, of course.
[0:15:13 – 0:15:17] Erik: The problem with me being gone is now you know how to play music without me, so I can be easily phased out.
[0:15:18 – 0:15:23] Adam: And Natalie really did a nice job of lining up the eventual playlist into one big playlist.
[0:15:23 – 0:15:24] Adam: Oh, she took my job over?
[0:15:25 – 0:15:26] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:15:26 – 0:15:29] Adam: She did a much better job at you at running the laptop.
[0:15:30 – 0:15:30] Adam: All right, fine.
[0:15:30 – 0:15:32] Adam: And at picking the music, frankly.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:33] Erik: I don’t need that crap anymore.
[0:15:34 – 0:15:38] Adam: It wasn’t the same without you, Eric, but we had to give you a little trouble.
[0:15:39 – 0:15:42] Adam: So anyways, 2012 was an incredible year.
[0:15:44 – 0:15:46] Adam: So that’s out there on the archives, just saying.
[0:15:47 – 0:15:49] Adam: And we had a pretty good show.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:51] Adam: 2012, I mean, we had Frank Ocean.
[0:15:55 – 0:15:56] Adam: There was Tame Impala.
[0:15:56 – 0:15:57] Adam: Lonerism came out.
[0:15:57 – 0:16:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:09] Adam: Deke played Dr. Dog, Be the Void, which we had a long discussion on our trip to Acadia, running around on the beach and checking out the Thunder Hole.
[0:16:09 – 0:16:09] Erik: That’s right.
[0:16:09 – 0:16:11] Adam: These are all deep, deep cuts.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:11] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:12 – 0:16:12] Adam: Deep cuts.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:16:14 – 0:16:16] Adam: Natalie found a lot of really good stuff.
[0:16:16 – 0:16:16] Adam: Alt-J.
[0:16:18 – 0:16:20] Adam: The Grizzly Bear album, Vectimist was out.
[0:16:20 – 0:16:21] Adam: Vecatimist?
[0:16:21 – 0:16:22] Adam: Oh, yes.
[0:16:22 – 0:16:23] Adam: Yeah, it was.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:23] Adam: Vecatimist.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:25] Adam: That sounds about right.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:25] Adam: 2012.
[0:16:27 – 0:16:29] Adam: Oh, Chromatics.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:30] Adam: The Chromatics album.
[0:16:30 – 0:16:32] Adam: I had to finish my playlist.
[0:16:32 – 0:16:33] Adam: That one’s so good.
[0:16:33 – 0:16:35] Adam: Father John Misty’s Fear Fun was out that year.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:41] Adam: good Lord, there was a lot of really good music, like way too many good albums to choose from.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:44] Adam: And so I had like made my playlist and then Natalie’s like, I have an hour and a half.
[0:16:44 – 0:16:46] Adam: I said, this is not a two hour show.
[0:16:46 – 0:16:47] Erik: It’s tough to get.
[0:16:47 – 0:16:49] Adam: So I ended up making my list pretty short.
[0:16:50 – 0:16:54] Adam: And then I let, you know, Deacon Natalie kind of played along sets and,
[0:16:55 – 0:16:56] Erik: It was a fun show.
[0:16:56 – 0:16:57] Erik: Yeah, I bet.
[0:16:57 – 0:16:58] Adam: Yeah, Tori came down.
[0:16:58 – 0:17:01] Adam: We ended up going to the beach looking for the Perseids after.
[0:17:01 – 0:17:01] Adam: Rubbing it in.
[0:17:01 – 0:17:02] Adam: It was Perseids night.
[0:17:02 – 0:17:03] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:17:03 – 0:17:05] Adam: Did you have any Perseids sightings on your guided trip?
[0:17:05 – 0:17:06] Adam: Monday night it rained.
[0:17:07 – 0:17:12] Adam: Yeah, well, we went down to the beach after the show, and it kind of misted, and then it eventually rained on us, so we went home.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:15] Adam: So no Perseids sighted, folks.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:15] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:16] Adam: Sorry.
[0:17:16 – 0:17:17] Erik: No Perseids sighted on my end.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:19] Adam: So that’s a tease, but…
[0:17:19 – 0:17:31] Adam: Anyway, just a callback to 2012 for no good reason, but we usually have a radio show and Eric missed out, but we went ahead and then I just have to announce for you the real surprise.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:32] Adam: Did you do the random?
[0:17:32 – 0:17:34] Adam: The next show is September 9th.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:34] Adam: Ooh.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:37] Adam: Monday Night Mix is our next Monday Night Mix.
[0:17:37 – 0:17:37] Adam: What’s the year?
[0:17:37 – 0:17:38] Adam: The tip is…
[0:17:40 – 0:17:41] Adam: 1990.
[0:17:41 – 0:17:43] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:17:44 – 0:17:45] Adam: On 909.
[0:17:45 – 0:17:46] Adam: That’s pretty crazy, though.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:49] Erik: Strange coincidences.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:49] Erik: 90 backwards.
[0:17:49 – 0:17:53] Adam: They’re always happening if you pay attention to the small details, folks.
[0:17:53 – 0:17:55] Adam: There’s a lot of strange coincidences like that.
[0:17:55 – 0:17:58] Adam: So 1990, I’ve done zero research.
[0:17:59 – 0:18:04] Adam: That’s the news and notes for you is start getting busy in 1990.
[0:18:05 – 0:18:09] Adam: If you want to, because you missed it, you can play at least upwards of three songs from 2012.
[0:18:09 – 0:18:12] Adam: Just sneak them in there and nobody will know.
[0:18:12 – 0:18:12] Adam: Nobody will know.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:14] Adam: Nobody’s listening at that time of night.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:22] Erik: This, I think, is going to be a long episode at this point based on where we’re at in almost 20 minutes.
[0:18:23 – 0:18:24] Adam: It won’t be.
[0:18:24 – 0:18:25] Adam: They never go over an hour.
[0:18:25 – 0:18:26] Erik: They never go over an hour.
[0:18:26 – 0:18:28] Erik: When’s the last time we’ve gone over an hour?
[0:18:28 – 0:18:29] Erik: It seems like it never happens.
[0:18:29 – 0:18:30] Adam: Season one, maybe.
[0:18:30 – 0:18:33] Erik: Remember when we used to try to keep them under a half hour?
[0:18:34 – 0:18:35] Adam: That’s for winter.
[0:18:35 – 0:18:38] Erik: Yeah, so you mentioned the guided trip.
[0:18:38 – 0:18:40] Erik: I figure there is a couple of things here I should do.
[0:18:40 – 0:18:42] Erik: I’m not going to get into too many details.
[0:18:42 – 0:18:49] Erik: One little fun thing that happened on it, and then I need to shout somebody out for some good service.
[0:18:50 – 0:18:58] Erik: So, yeah, I was guiding a couple of people, and I’m not going to go into too many details besides the little fun incident that happened.
[0:18:58 – 0:18:59] Erik: We were out on Cherokee.
[0:19:00 – 0:19:01] Adam: Oh, one of my favorites.
[0:19:02 – 0:19:03] Erik: It was beautiful, though.
[0:19:03 – 0:19:14] Erik: I mean, the just perfect glass, popcorn clouds, blue skies reflecting, and we’re just fishing, just trolling a couple of X-Raps.
[0:19:14 – 0:19:17] Erik: And I’m just paddling.
[0:19:17 – 0:19:18] Erik: We’re not trolling three lines.
[0:19:19 – 0:19:20] Erik: Yeah, you’re not a monster.
[0:19:21 – 0:19:22] Erik: No, I can’t handle that.
[0:19:23 – 0:19:23] Erik: So…
[0:19:24 – 0:19:26] Erik: A couple of rubes from New York City.
[0:19:27 – 0:19:30] Erik: I told them that I was going to call them that, and they were fine with it.
[0:19:31 – 0:19:32] Adam: Big city rubes.
[0:19:33 – 0:19:33] Adam: Yeah.
[0:19:33 – 0:19:35] Erik: Anyway, we had a great time.
[0:19:36 – 0:19:44] Erik: But the first time this has ever happened to me, and so we’re trolling along, and then all of a sudden the guy sitting in front of me,
[0:19:46 – 0:19:59] Erik: just like all of a sudden it’s just like wham rod tip down and he kind of like starts reeling in a little bit and he like kind of gets up close to the boat and then like i can tell i see it it’s like like a 24 to 30 inch pike
[0:20:01 – 0:20:02] Erik: Like, a pretty good-sized pike.
[0:20:02 – 0:20:03] Adam: Yeah, it’s a respectable pike.
[0:20:04 – 0:20:06] Erik: I could tell, like, it’s right about to take this run.
[0:20:07 – 0:20:14] Erik: And I’m, like, just starting to think, like, oh, I don’t think I’ve really talked to him about, like, how drag works and stuff on the reel.
[0:20:14 – 0:20:14] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:20:14 – 0:20:16] Erik: Because it seemed a little tight.
[0:20:16 – 0:20:21] Erik: And sure enough, the pike went for the run, and it was just, like, bowed over, rod tip, beep.
[0:20:21 – 0:20:22] Erik: Broken line.
[0:20:23 – 0:20:24] Erik: And then he’s just like, oh, no.
[0:20:25 – 0:20:34] Erik: And since we were trolling, the woman in the front, she still had her X-Rab off to the left-hand side of the boat.
[0:20:34 – 0:20:35] Erik: Yes.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:38] Erik: And I’m just like kind of piecing together what just happened.
[0:20:38 – 0:20:39] Erik: And all of a sudden, her rod tip just goes wham.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:44] Erik: And I look over, and it’s the same pike with the lure broken off in its mouth.
[0:20:45 – 0:20:45] Erik: What?
[0:20:45 – 0:20:47] Erik: And same thing.
[0:20:47 – 0:20:47] Erik: Goes for a run.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:48] Erik: No drag.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:49] Erik: Just snap.
[0:20:50 – 0:20:57] Erik: So within 40 seconds, this pike just snapped two X-Wraps right out from under us.
[0:20:57 – 0:21:01] Erik: So they’re both just sitting there with just dangling, flapping line in the breeze.
[0:21:01 – 0:21:06] Erik: I’m like, maybe we should go over to that little island over there, have lunch, and get the rods fixed.
[0:21:07 – 0:21:08] Adam: Reset your mindset.
[0:21:09 – 0:21:09] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:09 – 0:21:11] Adam: You don’t want to have a polluted mindset while you’re trolling.
[0:21:12 – 0:21:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:12 – 0:21:14] Adam: You definitely need to take five in that instance.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:15] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:16] Erik: Good call.
[0:21:16 – 0:21:17] Erik: We just got assassinated.
[0:21:18 – 0:21:21] Adam: I thought you were going to say the second one caught it and then you got it back.
[0:21:22 – 0:21:23] Erik: No, it was pretty heartbreaking.
[0:21:23 – 0:21:26] Adam: That pike’s a real Christmas tree of ornaments coming out of its mouth.
[0:21:27 – 0:21:28] Adam: It’s bedazzled.
[0:21:28 – 0:21:32] Erik: Yeah, all my barbs are crimped, so I’d like to hope that he was able to shake those loose.
[0:21:33 – 0:21:36] Erik: Yeah, well, that’s why he crimped.
[0:21:37 – 0:21:41] Erik: I only got a glimpse of it, but it almost looked like it was maybe actually just hooked on the first lure.
[0:21:42 – 0:21:48] Adam: Oh, yeah, you may have like only caught the line and then kind of like rattled itself down and got on the lure.
[0:21:48 – 0:21:52] Erik: So maybe I can’t imagine that he would be like, oh, man, I was going to say that’s a real.
[0:21:52 – 0:22:00] Erik: I just got some like, yeah, he goes for the one X rap and then feels like some great pain and then like some tugging on his mouth and then is all of a sudden free.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:02] Erik: And then it’s like, I’m going to start hunting again.
[0:22:02 – 0:22:04] Adam: I am hungry, still hungry.
[0:22:04 – 0:22:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:05] Erik: So I don’t know.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:07] Adam: But that will feast now.
[0:22:10 – 0:22:11] Adam: That’s my pike voice.
[0:22:11 – 0:22:12] Adam: That’s your Isak’s voice?
[0:22:12 – 0:22:14] Adam: Isak’s luscious.
[0:22:14 – 0:22:16] Adam: I will feast now.
[0:22:16 – 0:22:17] Adam: I feast again.
[0:22:17 – 0:22:22] Erik: So I also need to give a mid-show shout-out to Tuscarora.
[0:22:23 – 0:22:26] Erik: Lodge and Outfitters for the great service.
[0:22:26 – 0:22:31] Erik: The impromptu shuttle that I asked of them was accommodated.
[0:22:32 – 0:22:33] Erik: We were planning on…
[0:22:33 – 0:22:34] Erik: It was accommodated.
[0:22:34 – 0:22:34] Erik: Yes.
[0:22:35 – 0:22:42] Erik: We were planning on… We really actually weren’t planning on anything for sure, but I thought we were going to end down at Poplar.
[0:22:43 – 0:22:51] Erik: But over the course of the drive up there and the paddle out, they were like, oh, base camping’s a thing?
[0:22:51 – 0:22:54] Erik: And I was like, yeah, we can definitely just keep the same campsite.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:57] Erik: And they were like, well, that sounds awesome.
[0:22:57 – 0:22:57] Erik: Let’s just do that.
[0:22:58 – 0:23:05] Erik: And so we got dropped off and I was like, well, we’ll just, we’ll just, uh, paddle back to cross Bay, which is where we got put in.
[0:23:05 – 0:23:09] Erik: And then, uh, we’ll walk down to Tuscarora and then call for a ride.
[0:23:10 – 0:23:20] Erik: As I was like walking down the road, I’m like, oh, we came in like after the staff was done and we’re like super, there’s only one guy around right now helping us here at Clearwater.
[0:23:20 – 0:23:27] Erik: So I just asked Andy at Tuscarora, I’m like, if you guys have enough people around, I could use a ride back to Clearwater.
[0:23:29 – 0:23:30] Erik: And they got us back down there.
[0:23:30 – 0:23:31] Erik: It was very nice.
[0:23:31 – 0:23:33] Erik: So just saying.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:34] Adam: Yeah.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:35] Erik: Shout out.
[0:23:35 – 0:23:35] Erik: Shout out.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:38] Erik: If you’re ever looking for a ride.
[0:23:39 – 0:23:40] Adam: Good karma coming their way now.
[0:23:40 – 0:23:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:23:40 – 0:23:46] Erik: They made it sound like they don’t do too much of the walk in, like all of a sudden I need a ride type of thing.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:50] Erik: I’m like, man, maybe we just at Clearwater do more of those because of the border route trail.
[0:23:50 – 0:23:54] Erik: People come off the trail and are like, I can’t do it anymore.
[0:23:54 – 0:23:55] Erik: It’s just too long of a trail.
[0:23:55 – 0:23:57] Adam: Can you give me a ride back to my car?
[0:23:57 – 0:23:58] Erik: Yeah.
[0:23:59 – 0:24:01] Erik: That’s a little tiny recap.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:03] Erik: Well, it’s always good to stay flexible.
[0:24:03 – 0:24:04] Adam: You never want to just go in.
[0:24:04 – 0:24:07] Adam: We’ve got to do what we’re going to do because that’s the plan.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:08] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:08 – 0:24:09] Adam: Got to do it.
[0:24:09 – 0:24:19] Erik: For sure, which I think kind of leads us into maybe a little bit of this week’s topic, which if we’re ready to, we can move towards.
[0:24:19 – 0:24:21] Adam: Topic of the week.
[0:24:22 – 0:24:22] Adam: Woo!
[0:24:24 – 0:24:38] Erik: everything yeah it’s loon themed yeah uh this one’s probably like maybe the most like nuanced slash vague question we’ve had yeah which is you’re leaving it open to interpretation
[0:24:38 – 0:24:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:52] Erik: I mean, I was looking for like specific stories, but also like there’s some specifics in it, but it was also kind of like, uh, it was sort of like the firewood question where it’s like, what’s your general firewood strategy?
[0:24:53 – 0:25:01] Erik: Um, and we’re talking about campsites and what you do to prepare yourself for going out into the boundary waters to find one.
[0:25:02 – 0:25:03] Erik: Um,
[0:25:03 – 0:25:08] Erik: Before we get into the responses, we’re going to start with your responses from RBWCA.
[0:25:09 – 0:25:14] Erik: Just a little bit of the last few weeks here at Clearwater.
[0:25:16 – 0:25:25] Erik: I posted this question a while back, and then it just seems like it’s super timely that we’re doing this now because…
[0:25:26 – 0:25:34] Erik: I can say for sure this is the busiest summer of outfitting that I’ve ever experienced at Clearwater.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:36] Erik: I’ve been in the park.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:38] Erik: I’ve been at the parking lot.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:40] Erik: I’ve been in outfitting.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:41] Erik: I’ve issued the permits.
[0:25:41 – 0:25:42] Erik: I’ve seen it.
[0:25:43 – 0:25:48] Erik: There are more people going out into the woods in larger numbers than I’ve ever seen.
[0:25:48 – 0:25:50] Erik: Groups of eight, groups of nine.
[0:25:50 – 0:25:52] Erik: I mean, they’re maxing out the permits.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:56] Erik: And I know that it’s this time of year and that happens more often.
[0:25:56 – 0:25:56] Erik: Right.
[0:25:57 – 0:26:02] Erik: But just looking at permit availability, there’s zeros just down from top to bottom.
[0:26:02 – 0:26:04] Erik: You look at the Gunflint Trail.
[0:26:05 – 0:26:06] Erik: I take that as a good thing.
[0:26:07 – 0:26:08] Erik: Yeah, I’m not complaining.
[0:26:08 – 0:26:13] Erik: I would much rather have it be that way than nobody using the place.
[0:26:13 – 0:26:15] Adam: Yeah, I mean, it’s peak season.
[0:26:15 – 0:26:15] Adam: Get out there.
[0:26:16 – 0:26:16] Adam: I love it.
[0:26:16 – 0:26:17] Adam: I’m not out there.
[0:26:18 – 0:26:19] Adam: Somebody might as well.
[0:26:19 – 0:26:19] Adam: Right.
[0:26:19 – 0:26:20] Adam: Right, yeah.
[0:26:20 – 0:26:22] Erik: So, yeah, I mean, it’s just, I don’t know.
[0:26:22 – 0:26:22] Adam: Blessed day.
[0:26:23 – 0:26:24] Erik: I don’t know what it is.
[0:26:24 – 0:26:31] Erik: If it’s an economy thing, if it’s like a mining fear thing.
[0:26:31 – 0:26:31] Adam: Get in now.
[0:26:32 – 0:26:34] Erik: Yeah, what it is, but…
[0:26:35 – 0:26:35] Adam: This is 2019.
[0:26:36 – 0:26:37] Adam: It’s a beautiful year.
[0:26:37 – 0:26:38] Erik: Time to get out.
[0:26:39 – 0:26:39] Erik: It is great.
[0:26:39 – 0:26:45] Erik: It’s promising, especially, like, I complain, you know, when they’re here, but it’s good.
[0:26:47 – 0:26:53] Erik: The kids, I’ve seen a lot of big groups of, like, two dads and they’re wrangling, like, seven kids.
[0:26:54 – 0:26:59] Erik: I’m like, man, oh, man, that’s serious… Serious dad skills right there.
[0:26:59 – 0:27:00] Erik: That’s serious dedication.
[0:27:01 – 0:27:25] Erik: uh because dedication dedication very nice i don’t know that’s gotta take some serious patience yeah i mean just driving up here in the car there’s got to be serious patience and then you think about them out on a portage yeah it’s like i mean it’s awesome it’s cool to see i know it’s like it it heightens the the sense of of kind of like stress and what’s going on like at clearwater when there’s like there’s just movement
[0:27:26 – 0:27:46] Adam: skittering kids and screaming and yelling and energy you know me i’m in town and there’s just nothing but big families and kids everywhere screaming and running all over the place and so i mean it’s it can be a little overwhelming it is it is it is very overwhelming at times but when you sit down at the end of the day and you have a chance to actually think about it
[0:27:47 – 0:28:10] Adam: it’s very cool um because that is really the the only hope yeah 20 years from now those kids are hopefully going to be yeah hopefully they’re having a good time out there yeah you know i was having like a rough week at work very busy you know and i’m like leaving work like after a really long shift i’m going across the parking lot and this little kid in like a stroller is like
[0:28:11 – 0:28:28] Adam: waving like and i’m like are you waving at me they’re waving at me and i was like hi i don’t know it was nice yeah so i mean they’re awesome they’re they’re crazy but they’re crazy but they’re awesome and that’s the future so it’s nice to hear that they’re getting out in the park
[0:28:29 – 0:28:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:28:30 – 0:28:36] Erik: So, I mean, just with all that being said, just a couple of examples that have to do with the question this week.
[0:28:37 – 0:28:49] Erik: It was a week ago now, a week ago today, Thursday, I came walking into work and this is never a good sign at Clearwater when you come walking in and there’s a tent pitched in the parking lot.
[0:28:49 – 0:28:51] Adam: That is not a good sign.
[0:28:51 – 0:28:51] Adam: That’s very bad.
[0:28:51 – 0:28:52] Adam: Something’s gone awry.
[0:28:52 – 0:29:01] Erik: Yeah, I’m like, uh-oh, because I knew we were booked the night before, just solid, top to bottom, bunkhouse five to cabin one, booked.
[0:29:01 – 0:29:02] Erik: I’m like, dang.
[0:29:03 – 0:29:05] Adam: Even Scott’s treehouse was booked.
[0:29:06 – 0:29:07] Erik: Shout out to Scott.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:09] Erik: That’s an esoteric callback.
[0:29:10 – 0:29:11] Erik: Yeah, so I’m like, did we?
[0:29:11 – 0:29:13] Erik: I hope this isn’t on us.
[0:29:13 – 0:29:16] Erik: And so one of the guys from the group ended up coming back in.
[0:29:17 – 0:29:27] Erik: He’s like, yeah, so we came in last night about 10 o’clock and just had to pitch because I recognized him.
[0:29:27 – 0:29:28] Erik: He went out the day before.
[0:29:28 – 0:29:34] Erik: He’s like, we came back last night in the dark, couldn’t find a campsite on Duncan, Rose, or Daniels.
[0:29:35 – 0:29:38] Erik: And the only thing that we could think of to do was just come out.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:40] Erik: We didn’t really have any other options.
[0:29:41 – 0:29:43] Erik: So by the time we got here, nobody was around.
[0:29:43 – 0:29:47] Erik: And I was like, well, man, even if we would have been around, we didn’t.
[0:29:47 – 0:29:48] Erik: have any beds.
[0:29:48 – 0:29:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:49 – 0:29:49] Erik: There was no beds.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:52] Erik: So like half of them slept in the tent and half of them just slept in the car.
[0:29:52 – 0:29:54] Adam: Oh, they were on the badminton field?
[0:29:54 – 0:29:57] Erik: No, just like right in the parking lot next to their car.
[0:29:58 – 0:29:58] Erik: Ugh.
[0:29:59 – 0:30:01] Erik: In a timber line, yeah.
[0:30:02 – 0:30:03] Adam: Well, at least they had a timber line.
[0:30:04 – 0:30:10] Erik: And so that’s not the first time that I’ve heard of somebody going out there and not being able to find campsites.
[0:30:10 – 0:30:12] Erik: And we’ve kind of talked about this in the past.
[0:30:12 – 0:30:13] Adam: Yeah, it’s August, but still.
[0:30:14 – 0:30:15] Adam: You should be able to find one.
[0:30:15 – 0:30:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:16 – 0:30:16] Erik: I mean, I…
[0:30:17 – 0:30:18] Erik: Sometimes you can’t.
[0:30:19 – 0:30:31] Erik: I would say starting at like Duncan and Rose and then going east, I think those lakes, the Vento unit is much more susceptible to that problem than many other areas.
[0:30:31 – 0:30:33] Erik: But… Yeah.
[0:30:33 – 0:30:34] Erik: I will also say this.
[0:30:35 – 0:30:36] Erik: I learned…
[0:30:38 – 0:30:47] Erik: Yesterday, I was being shuttled back by Eric from Tuscarora, and he was telling me that there was…
[0:30:47 – 0:30:48] Erik: Wait, he’s Eric too?
[0:30:48 – 0:30:51] Erik: Another Eric, but his is with a C, so he’s like a lesser than.
[0:30:53 – 0:30:53] Adam: Huh.
[0:30:53 – 0:30:54] Erik: Yeah, so he was telling me…
[0:30:54 – 0:30:55] Adam: Wait, wait.
[0:30:56 – 0:30:57] Adam: Is this like a tethering?
[0:30:57 – 0:30:58] Adam: Have you seen Us?
[0:30:58 – 0:30:59] Erik: No, I have not seen it.
[0:30:59 – 0:31:01] Adam: Oh, boy, you should really see Us.
[0:31:01 – 0:31:02] Adam: I’m not going to say anything more.
[0:31:02 – 0:31:03] Erik: Let’s not sidetrack the conversation.
[0:31:05 – 0:31:05] Erik: Yeah, we can…
[0:31:06 – 0:31:15] Erik: Anyway, he said that there was three nights last week where Seagull, Alpine, and Sag were all full.
[0:31:16 – 0:31:16] Erik: Yeah?
[0:31:16 – 0:31:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:17 – 0:31:17] Erik: Campsites.
[0:31:17 – 0:31:17] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:18 – 0:31:19] Adam: Just think of that, though.
[0:31:19 – 0:31:22] Adam: There’s like over 60 just on SAG.
[0:31:22 – 0:31:25] Adam: Yeah, I’m kind of blinking my eyes right now.
[0:31:25 – 0:31:28] Erik: I mean, I’m just picturing the map and all the little red dots.
[0:31:28 – 0:31:31] Adam: There’s a lot of red dots in that spot.
[0:31:31 – 0:31:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:31 – 0:31:38] Erik: He said there was people coming out for three days in a row that weren’t able to find campsites on those three lakes, which is like- Are there squatters?
[0:31:38 – 0:31:39] Erik: Close to like 200 campsites.
[0:31:39 – 0:31:40] Adam: This is my fear.
[0:31:40 – 0:31:41] Adam: Like as the-
[0:31:42 – 0:31:47] Adam: The down south gets hotter, there’s going to be squatters coming up.
[0:31:47 – 0:31:54] Adam: And we’re just going to have people up here without permits just, yeah, like permanent camping out in the boundary waters.
[0:31:54 – 0:31:55] Adam: It’d be a good spot.
[0:31:56 – 0:31:57] Adam: Yeah, I mean, it would be.
[0:31:57 – 0:31:58] Adam: Cat’s out of the damn bag now.
[0:31:58 – 0:31:59] Adam: Thanks a lot, Adam.
[0:32:00 – 0:32:00] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[0:32:01 – 0:32:02] Erik: Anyway.
[0:32:02 – 0:32:05] Adam: But, no, I mean, there’s a lot of spots in there.
[0:32:06 – 0:32:08] Adam: If the permit system is intact, then…
[0:32:11 – 0:32:16] Adam: In theory, there should be spots available, but… My cotton-picking pen doesn’t work.
[0:32:16 – 0:32:17] Erik: I’m grabbing a pencil.
[0:32:18 – 0:32:20] Erik: All right, well… Old school style.
[0:32:21 – 0:32:22] Adam: Yeesh.
[0:32:23 – 0:32:23] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:32:26 – 0:32:29] Adam: I’ve heard people ask that as a question of concern.
[0:32:30 – 0:32:37] Adam: I’ve never even come close to that situation where I’m not finding something, I’m not finding something, it’s getting dark.
[0:32:38 – 0:32:41] Adam: We’ve always found something.
[0:32:41 – 0:32:44] Adam: Sometimes it’s not the ideal spot, but we’ve always found something.
[0:32:44 – 0:32:47] Adam: What about these people on Rose you were talking to here?
[0:32:47 – 0:32:48] Adam: They didn’t consider the two…
[0:32:49 – 0:32:51] Adam: Sweet spots on the Canadian side?
[0:32:52 – 0:32:53] Adam: The pressure relief valves?
[0:32:54 – 0:32:56] Erik: I mean, I don’t know if those are necessarily…
[0:32:57 – 0:32:58] Erik: They’re marked on the fishers.
[0:32:58 – 0:32:59] Erik: That’s true.
[0:32:59 – 0:33:00] Erik: I don’t know what kind of maps they had.
[0:33:00 – 0:33:01] Erik: I didn’t necessarily…
[0:33:01 – 0:33:02] Erik: I think I maybe mentioned it.
[0:33:02 – 0:33:05] Adam: Yeah, it’s not something you would recommend to somebody at the beginning of a trip.
[0:33:05 – 0:33:11] Adam: Like, hey, if all eight spots on rows are taken, then check these spots over here.
[0:33:12 – 0:33:14] Adam: They have toilet seats nailed to the tree.
[0:33:14 – 0:33:15] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:16 – 0:33:17] Adam: Lots of canned goods cashed up.
[0:33:17 – 0:33:18] Erik: Yeah, and I don’t know.
[0:33:19 – 0:33:21] Erik: No, I don’t think that they even really considered that.
[0:33:21 – 0:33:29] Erik: And I have some stories of campsite troubles from past trips and just my experiences.
[0:33:30 – 0:33:45] Erik: But I think we’re going to do a listener response first, and then we’ll finish with what we think, you know, when we prepare for a trip, how much research we do, and then just how we roll with it once we’re out there.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:52] Adam: I would say, just as a preface, that we prepare based on the time of year.
[0:33:53 – 0:33:53] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:33:54 – 0:33:54] Adam: Two.
[0:33:55 – 0:33:59] Adam: And, yeah, middle of August is different than a trip in June or a trip in October.
[0:34:00 – 0:34:05] Adam: But I’m very interested to hear what our friends on Reddit have to say about this.
[0:34:06 – 0:34:11] Erik: Should we stop and get a little bit more prepared to read?
[0:34:12 – 0:34:14] Erik: Some of these looks like we have not pre-read these.
[0:34:14 – 0:34:17] Erik: They look like very long and well-thought-out responses.
[0:34:18 – 0:34:19] Erik: Absolutely.
[0:34:19 – 0:34:23] Adam: Ready?
[0:34:23 – 0:34:23] Adam: Ready?
[0:34:27 – 0:34:45] Adam: printed reddit yeah oh yeah it’s time for printed reddit folks very nice we have printed out all of reddit onto with a dot matrix printer and we’ve got it sitting here in studio a
[0:34:46 – 0:34:48] Adam: Thank you for all your responses.
[0:34:48 – 0:34:50] Adam: Wow, there’s a lot of responses.
[0:34:50 – 0:34:53] Adam: That’s 78 to 80 pages of responses here.
[0:34:53 – 0:34:56] Erik: We’re going to need all of the dragon’s milk to get through this.
[0:34:57 – 0:34:58] Erik: Oh, my.
[0:34:58 – 0:35:02] Adam: I like how you printed out the banner of our BWCA, too.
[0:35:02 – 0:35:04] Erik: Yeah, it’s tough not to copy and paste it.
[0:35:04 – 0:35:06] Erik: What lake do you think that is?
[0:35:06 – 0:35:07] Erik: Lac La Croix.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:09] Erik: Yeah, it probably is the lock.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:10] Erik: I’ll just quick run through.
[0:35:10 – 0:35:12] Erik: This is the question I asked yesterday.
[0:35:12 – 0:35:30] Erik: Y’all, we’re going to be having a general discussion on BWCA, BWCA, not UA, and the strategies employed ahead of time and while, or whilst, I couldn’t decide, out in the park in looking for and securing one and would love your input.
[0:35:30 – 0:35:35] Erik: Do you have a method to your madness and researching ahead of time and finding the exact spot you want?
[0:35:35 – 0:35:39] Erik: Or do you just take what you can find and be surprised?
[0:35:39 – 0:35:41] Erik: Have you ever not been able to find an open site?
[0:35:42 – 0:35:44] Erik: Have you ever had to share a campsite?
[0:35:44 – 0:35:50] Erik: Do you think there’s a better way the U.S. Forest Service could manage the campsites than first come first serve?
[0:35:52 – 0:35:52] Erik: So…
[0:35:53 – 0:35:55] Adam: It’s a pretty measured question.
[0:35:55 – 0:35:55] Erik: I think so.
[0:35:55 – 0:35:56] Erik: There’s a lot there.
[0:35:56 – 0:35:57] Erik: You could answer one of those.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:58] Erik: You could try to answer all.
[0:35:59 – 0:36:01] Erik: I think we’ve got a lot of options.
[0:36:01 – 0:36:02] Erik: A little bit of both happening here.
[0:36:04 – 0:36:05] Erik: Most upvoted.
[0:36:06 – 0:36:06] Erik: Nine points.
[0:36:07 – 0:36:08] Erik: 20 days ago.
[0:36:08 – 0:36:08] Erik: Wow.
[0:36:10 – 0:36:12] Erik: Yeah, it’s been a while since we posted that.
[0:36:12 – 0:36:14] Erik: This is from Mike Modesto.
[0:36:16 – 0:36:25] Erik: Generally, we’ll scour maps to see what area we’ll be in that day of the trip and try to choose the best site we can in the area we end up in.
[0:36:26 – 0:36:31] Erik: There’s truly no better feeling than pulling into an area and searching out the best sites with no one around.
[0:36:32 – 0:36:37] Erik: Snow Bay, on the lack, holds a special place in my heart for this reason.
[0:36:37 – 0:36:39] Erik: Never been skunked on a site before.
[0:36:41 – 0:36:47] Erik: Might have had moments of panic where it was getting later in the day, but have been lucky so far in that regard.
[0:36:48 – 0:36:56] Erik: Nor have I ever had to share a site, but I know people that have offered folks as it was a full lake and late in the evening.
[0:36:57 – 0:36:59] Erik: You need to be flexible when canoe camping.
[0:37:00 – 0:37:03] Erik: Because even the best planned trip is going to have some hiccups.
[0:37:04 – 0:37:09] Erik: So you need to adapt and overcome to maximize your contentment and enjoyment.
[0:37:10 – 0:37:12] Erik: Sometimes you need to embrace the suck.
[0:37:13 – 0:37:14] Adam: That’s in quotes.
[0:37:14 – 0:37:15] Adam: I like that.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:24] Erik: But in my experience, it’s the hardships that create the most long-lasting memories and strengthens your bond with your camping companions.
[0:37:25 – 0:37:31] Erik: I’ve had more fun playing cards and drinking whiskey out of a Nalgene in a tent during a storm than many nights out on the town.
[0:37:32 – 0:37:36] Erik: As far as the first-come, first-served site selection, I completely agree with it.
[0:37:37 – 0:37:44] Erik: If site reservations were ever implemented, it would lead to so many sites remaining vacated when people leave early or don’t reach their spot.
[0:37:45 – 0:37:54] Erik: I understand the mentality of wanting that reassurance of having a reserved spot, but if that’s your desire, stick to voyagers or state park camping.
[0:37:55 – 0:37:56] Erik: Amen.
[0:37:57 – 0:38:00] Erik: He finishes up here with a nice little creed.
[0:38:00 – 0:38:01] Erik: Be flexible.
[0:38:02 – 0:38:03] Erik: Adapt and overcome.
[0:38:05 – 0:38:10] Erik: These are mottos that you should take to heart for a wilderness adventure.
[0:38:10 – 0:38:11] Erik: Stay water.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:16] Erik: That was very nicely put, Mike.
[0:38:17 – 0:38:19] Erik: I can definitely say he on that one.
[0:38:20 – 0:38:21] Adam: You got it, yeah.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:22] Adam: Well, I don’t know.
[0:38:23 – 0:38:23] Adam: Probably.
[0:38:23 – 0:38:24] Adam: Probably.
[0:38:24 – 0:38:25] Adam: 99% right on that.
[0:38:26 – 0:38:27] Erik: I mean, that’d be weird.
[0:38:27 – 0:38:39] Adam: I like the part about the hardships and the memories, and I literally just listened to The Great Caring Place a couple days ago, and there was one of the Eric’s elocutions.
[0:38:39 – 0:38:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:39 – 0:38:45] Adam: You’re talking about how memories are more well forged into the mind if there is some hardship involved.
[0:38:46 – 0:38:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:46 – 0:38:52] Adam: Maybe not all a hardship, but if it’s harder to find a campsite, then maybe you do appreciate it more.
[0:38:52 – 0:39:00] Adam: And so that seemed like a real similar mindset from that response from Mike there.
[0:39:00 – 0:39:01] Adam: I like that.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:03] Erik: Thanks, Mike.
[0:39:03 – 0:39:10] Erik: You’ve got this next one up here, which is not necessarily an answer to the question, but it was the second most upvoted.
[0:39:12 – 0:39:16] Adam: Wait, that’s it?
[0:39:16 – 0:39:16] Adam: What?
[0:39:16 – 0:39:18] Adam: It’s like four words.
[0:39:19 – 0:39:21] Adam: Smoke chaser, five points.
[0:39:22 – 0:39:24] Adam: Eric sounds like Paul Rudd.
[0:39:25 – 0:39:38] Adam: That has nothing to do with the question of the week, but it’s the second most upvoted response, and I also will award it one more point, actually, just because it’s very well thought out.
[0:39:38 – 0:39:40] Adam: Yeah, very well thought out.
[0:39:40 – 0:39:41] Erik: Do I sound like Paul Rudd?
[0:39:41 – 0:39:41] Adam: I don’t even know.
[0:39:41 – 0:39:43] Erik: What does Paul Rudd even sound like?
[0:39:43 – 0:39:48] Adam: Now I have to go back and think about what does Paul Rudd sound like?
[0:39:48 – 0:39:50] Adam: I have never thought that about you.
[0:39:50 – 0:39:52] Adam: I’ve known you a long time now, Eric.
[0:39:53 – 0:39:55] Adam: I’ve never thought you sound like Paul Rudd.
[0:39:55 – 0:39:57] Erik: But apparently four other people think that.
[0:39:57 – 0:40:02] Adam: Well, I mean, like I’m trying to think, do I know even, I have Paul Rudd in my mind.
[0:40:02 – 0:40:06] Adam: Is that the guy who hosts SNL like every other year?
[0:40:06 – 0:40:14] Adam: Or is it the guy from the show with Helen Hunt back in the day?
[0:40:14 – 0:40:15] Adam: That’s Paul Rudder?
[0:40:15 – 0:40:17] Erik: Yeah, that’s Paul Reiser.
[0:40:18 – 0:40:18] UNKNOWN: Paul Reiser.
[0:40:18 – 0:40:47] Erik: Paul Rudd Paul Rudd is the guy the younger guy that’s always hosting SNL maybe I mean he’s the guy who’s like kind of the uh like the the Joe Everyman from all of those like uh Judd Apatow movies yes that’s who I’m thinking of yeah like the kind of shortish black hair he’s in the 40 year old virgin yeah yeah okay he’s really funny I mean yeah do you sound like him
[0:40:48 – 0:40:48] Adam: You’re asking me?
[0:40:48 – 0:40:49] Adam: What do you think?
[0:40:49 – 0:40:50] Erik: I don’t.
[0:40:50 – 0:40:53] Erik: That’s the first time I’ve ever heard anybody say that.
[0:40:53 – 0:40:54] Adam: This is hilarious.
[0:40:55 – 0:40:55] Adam: It’s very funny.
[0:40:55 – 0:40:56] Adam: Yeah, six points.
[0:40:57 – 0:40:58] Erik: Yeah, six points.
[0:40:58 – 0:41:00] Adam: If Adam had a computer in front of him, he would.
[0:41:00 – 0:41:02] Adam: Yeah, I already upvoted it mentally.
[0:41:03 – 0:41:04] Adam: I think Smoke Chaser.
[0:41:04 – 0:41:06] Adam: Smoke Chaser is right.
[0:41:06 – 0:41:09] Adam: You do smell just like Paul Rudd.
[0:41:09 – 0:41:10] Erik: I smell just like him, too.
[0:41:12 – 0:41:13] Erik: Tide.
[0:41:13 – 0:41:14] Erik: Well, there’s a bunch of Tides here.
[0:41:14 – 0:41:22] Erik: We’ve got Tide for, not that the points matter, but this is Bubblehead underscore Maker.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:25] Erik: I go mid-September.
[0:41:26 – 0:41:27] Erik: I usually don’t have difficulty.
[0:41:28 – 0:41:29] Erik: I avoid the searching.
[0:41:30 – 0:41:31] Erik: That’s it.
[0:41:32 – 0:41:34] Erik: And you’re going to be split between two pages here.
[0:41:34 – 0:41:35] Erik: That’s pretty smart.
[0:41:35 – 0:41:36] Adam: That’s pretty smart.
[0:41:36 – 0:41:37] Erik: From…
[0:41:40 – 0:41:41] Adam: I got five points, huh?
[0:41:42 – 0:41:42] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:42 – 0:41:43] Adam: Yeah.
[0:41:43 – 0:41:43] Adam: Smart.
[0:41:44 – 0:41:44] Adam: Real smart.
[0:41:45 – 0:41:45] Adam: I got Happalicious.
[0:41:47 – 0:41:47] Adam: Five points.
[0:41:49 – 0:41:51] Adam: In June, a friend and I were on Ensign.
[0:41:51 – 0:41:52] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:54] Adam: We should get a sound effect for Ensign.
[0:41:57 – 0:41:59] Erik: That’s like a wah-wah mixed with a bear.
[0:41:59 – 0:42:03] Erik: A wah-wah pedal mixed with the failure sound from The Price is Right.
[0:42:04 – 0:42:05] Adam: Yeah, exactly.
[0:42:05 – 0:42:08] Adam: Are we going to do an Ensign trip for your redemption or not?
[0:42:08 – 0:42:09] Erik: I think we have to at this point.
[0:42:10 – 0:42:10] Adam: Season three.
[0:42:11 – 0:42:11] Adam: We got it.
[0:42:11 – 0:42:12] Adam: Yeah, we’re going to Ensign.
[0:42:15 – 0:42:16] Adam: Hopalicious, five points.
[0:42:17 – 0:42:18] Adam: In June, a friend and I were on Ensign.
[0:42:19 – 0:42:21] Adam: We had three sites of mine all worked out on the McKenzie.
[0:42:22 – 0:42:26] Adam: Well, wow.
[0:42:26 – 0:42:26] Erik: Save it.
[0:42:26 – 0:42:28] Erik: We’re going to do an episode on maps later.
[0:42:28 – 0:42:29] Erik: We’re doing an episode on maps too.
[0:42:29 – 0:42:33] Adam: We’re going to have a lot of chances to get it together here.
[0:42:33 – 0:42:34] Adam: It’s Hopalicious.
[0:42:35 – 0:42:36] Adam: Yeah, sorry, Hopalicious.
[0:42:36 – 0:42:37] Adam: Jesus, friend of the show.
[0:42:39 – 0:42:41] Adam: We had three sites in mind, all worked out on the McKenzie.
[0:42:41 – 0:42:45] Adam: Maybe the McKenzie was the best map for that trip, kind of like the Grand Portage.
[0:42:45 – 0:42:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:42:46 – 0:42:47] Adam: Sometimes you got to work with what you’re getting.
[0:42:47 – 0:42:48] Adam: That’s true.
[0:42:48 – 0:42:51] Adam: We tow in early to the first portage and set in to get our site.
[0:42:52 – 0:42:53] Adam: We paddle to the first site and it’s full.
[0:42:53 – 0:42:57] Adam: The campsite right next to it is open, but it’s not great, so we press on.
[0:42:57 – 0:42:59] Adam: We get near the second site.
[0:42:59 – 0:43:01] Adam: See, that is also taken.
[0:43:01 – 0:43:03] Adam: The third site is also taken.
[0:43:03 – 0:43:04] Adam: Loon bleep.
[0:43:04 – 0:43:04] SPEAKER_02: Ha ha ha!
[0:43:04 – 0:43:05] SPEAKER_02: Ha ha ha!
[0:43:07 – 0:43:09] Adam: We check five more sites, and they are all taken.
[0:43:09 – 0:43:10] Erik: Five more?
[0:43:11 – 0:43:11] Adam: Face palm.
[0:43:11 – 0:43:13] Erik: See, that’s the problem.
[0:43:13 – 0:43:15] Adam: That’s a quad loon bleep.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:18] Adam: We are now one for seven, and the one is not great.
[0:43:19 – 0:43:21] Adam: We check out one more, but we can’t even find it.
[0:43:22 – 0:43:27] Adam: We finally find it, and it’s open, but it has zero viewers of the lake and looks like a great place to get Lyme’s disease.
[0:43:27 – 0:43:28] Adam: Ha ha ha!
[0:43:28 – 0:43:33] Adam: We noped out of there and decided to head back to the original site we didn’t want in the first place.
[0:43:34 – 0:43:36] Adam: I’m throwing that page down on the ground.
[0:43:36 – 0:43:37] Adam: We’re moving on to page two.
[0:43:38 – 0:43:41] Adam: At this point, we had been paddling around this damn lake.
[0:43:41 – 0:43:42] Adam: Is this still Ensign?
[0:43:42 – 0:43:43] Adam: Yeah, I think so.
[0:43:43 – 0:43:43] Erik: This is Ensign.
[0:43:43 – 0:43:44] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:44 – 0:43:46] Adam: Ensign sounds like a real nightmare.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:47] Erik: We have to go.
[0:43:47 – 0:43:47] Adam: We gotta go back.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:54] Adam: At this point, we had been paddling around this damn lake for almost two hours, and were quite ready to unload our gear.
[0:43:55 – 0:43:59] Adam: We set up camp and relaxed for a bit before heading out for some afternoon fishing.
[0:43:59 – 0:44:03] Adam: Lo and behold, the first campsite that was earlier crawling with people is now empty.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:05] Adam: Lesson learned.
[0:44:05 – 0:44:09] Adam: If you see someone at a campsite, it cannot hurt to ask if they are leaving soon.
[0:44:10 – 0:44:11] Adam: Just don’t be an ass about it.
[0:44:12 – 0:44:17] Adam: It’s also worth mentioning that we did see the infamous float plane in the southern sky.
[0:44:17 – 0:44:22] Adam: It was not over Ensign, but farther south over Snowbank or maybe Disappointment.
[0:44:22 – 0:44:24] Adam: Does that line up with the line?
[0:44:24 – 0:44:25] Adam: I don’t have a good map of that section.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:27] Adam: Roughly, maybe a little bit north, but.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:28] Adam: Right on.
[0:44:30 – 0:44:34] Adam: Well, as you have now known, we’ve kind of closed the book on that one.
[0:44:34 – 0:44:35] Adam: A little bit.
[0:44:37 – 0:44:38] Adam: Is that the end?
[0:44:38 – 0:44:40] Adam: But we don’t know who still, who peed on our rug.
[0:44:43 – 0:44:44] Adam: It was probably the black bears.
[0:44:44 – 0:44:46] Adam: That’s the end of the, that’s the end of that story.
[0:44:47 – 0:44:47] Adam: That was very good.
[0:44:47 – 0:44:49] Adam: So that was a real ensign whirlwind.
[0:44:49 – 0:44:50] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:44:51 – 0:44:53] Adam: So they went back to the one they didn’t want in the first place.
[0:44:53 – 0:44:53] Adam: I like that.
[0:44:54 – 0:44:55] Adam: Honestly.
[0:44:55 – 0:45:00] Adam: Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes the bar eats you.
[0:45:00 – 0:45:01] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:01 – 0:45:02] Erik: Moving on.
[0:45:02 – 0:45:06] Erik: Very… Ensign.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:08] Erik: Oh, man.
[0:45:08 – 0:45:09] Adam: I can’t wait.
[0:45:10 – 0:45:12] Adam: At this point, I’m so excited to get back to…
[0:45:12 – 0:45:13] Adam: I’ve never been.
[0:45:14 – 0:45:14] Erik: You’ve been.
[0:45:14 – 0:45:15] Erik: Only in the winter.
[0:45:15 – 0:45:16] Adam: Yeah, but not in…
[0:45:16 – 0:45:17] Erik: Yes.
[0:45:17 – 0:45:18] Erik: Nobody was on campsites.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:18] Erik: Nobody was around.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:19] Erik: Nobody was around.
[0:45:19 – 0:45:19] Erik: You didn’t see anybody.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:20] Erik: No.
[0:45:20 – 0:45:21] Adam: That doesn’t count.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:24] Adam: I’m really excited to get back in the summer is what I was trying to say.
[0:45:25 – 0:45:32] Erik: Dog sledding on the day where we all had to turn backwards on the sleds because the wind was blowing so hard.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:37] Adam: Is Ensign where we came down the ramp and I just cartwheeled my sled?
[0:45:37 – 0:45:38] Erik: I think you lost it on the way in.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:40] Erik: But I didn’t let go.
[0:45:40 – 0:45:42] Erik: No, you did fall, but you did not let go.
[0:45:44 – 0:45:45] Adam: Bunchy envelope.
[0:45:47 – 0:45:49] Erik: How do you people come up with these usernames?
[0:45:50 – 0:45:51] Adam: We have to pre-screen.
[0:45:51 – 0:45:57] Adam: I know we don’t want to read the comments first, but we have to pre-screen the usernames, I think, at this point.
[0:45:57 – 0:46:01] Adam: Because I think a few dirty ones have gotten past the censors before.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:02] Adam: Yeah, I think so.
[0:46:02 – 0:46:04] Adam: I don’t know what that means.
[0:46:04 – 0:46:05] Adam: Let him through.
[0:46:06 – 0:46:08] Adam: Well, I don’t know what… Not in this episode.
[0:46:08 – 0:46:10] Adam: I’m not saying this episode.
[0:46:10 – 0:46:11] Adam: I’m just saying in the past.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:11] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:12 – 0:46:13] Adam: I think we’ve said some usernames.
[0:46:13 – 0:46:13] Adam: In the past.
[0:46:13 – 0:46:14] Adam: I think we have as well.
[0:46:14 – 0:46:15] Adam: Yeah.
[0:46:15 – 0:46:16] Adam: That are probably questionable.
[0:46:16 – 0:46:19] Erik: I think Benchy envelope could be taken a number of ways.
[0:46:19 – 0:46:20] Erik: I don’t know what that means.
[0:46:20 – 0:46:21] Erik: I’m sure it’s wholesome.
[0:46:21 – 0:46:21] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:46:22 – 0:46:44] Erik: how it was uh how it was responded to here but a bunchy envelope kind of like took the questions individually and responded to them but one of them was responded to in a way that requires me to scroll over which i can’t do because it’s printed so i’ll read you the first sentence
[0:46:44 – 0:46:45] Adam: Who wrote this HTML?
[0:46:46 – 0:46:49] Erik: It does look like it’s just HTML and like a little tab thing here.
[0:46:49 – 0:46:55] Erik: If you’re interested in what Bunchy Envelope has to say, you can go on to RBWCA and find this question of the week.
[0:46:55 – 0:46:55] SPEAKER_02: Dang.
[0:46:56 – 0:46:57] SPEAKER_02: So yeah, the do you have a method to your madness?
[0:46:57 – 0:46:59] SPEAKER_02: You’ve really got me on the edge of my seat now.
[0:46:59 – 0:47:10] Erik: In researching ahead of time and finding a spot that you want, the response was, I will typically start with my research into a campsite on BWCA.com and PaddlePlanner.com.
[0:47:12 – 0:47:13] Adam: Well, those are good ideas.
[0:47:13 – 0:47:14] Erik: Yeah, there’s more.
[0:47:14 – 0:47:18] Erik: But unfortunately, I didn’t realize there was… Well, those are the two things I do.
[0:47:18 – 0:47:20] Erik: A scrolling feature.
[0:47:21 – 0:47:23] Erik: Have you ever not been able to find an open site?
[0:47:25 – 0:47:29] Erik: One time five years ago, we tried to get on Disappointment after being on Knife Lake.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:36] Erik: And after a long day of paddling and porging, they were all full and ended up huffing it over to Parent.
[0:47:37 – 0:47:41] Erik: This was great because we discovered an awesome beach landing camp spot on Parent.
[0:47:41 – 0:47:42] Erik: Well, that’s nice.
[0:47:42 – 0:47:44] Adam: Sometimes that does work out for you.
[0:47:44 – 0:47:44] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:44 – 0:47:45] Erik: You never know.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:46] Adam: You think you’re in despair.
[0:47:46 – 0:47:48] Adam: We’re not going to ever find something good.
[0:47:48 – 0:47:51] Adam: And then you come around the corner and there’s the best campsite you’ve ever seen.
[0:47:51 – 0:47:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:53 – 0:47:56] Adam: You had to go a little farther to find it, but it was worth it in the end.
[0:47:57 – 0:47:58] Erik: Have you ever had to share a campsite?
[0:47:59 – 0:48:02] Erik: Not in 26 trips.
[0:48:02 – 0:48:03] Erik: Knock on wood.
[0:48:03 – 0:48:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:07 – 0:48:12] Erik: Do you think there is a better way the Forest Service could manage the campsites than first come, first serve?
[0:48:13 – 0:48:20] Erik: Seems to me that first come first serve is probably the way to do it and be fair without wasting tax dollars to make it more complicated.
[0:48:21 – 0:48:31] Erik: Possibly they could make an online website that shows travelers projected routes during their permit days so you could try and steer away from heavy routes or places you think may be crowded.
[0:48:32 – 0:48:37] Erik: It wouldn’t be invasive to someone’s private information and would help us improve congestion.
[0:48:39 – 0:48:54] Erik: Yeah, take some of that information and maybe inform my eventual opinion on maybe some of the things we can do to help people from having to camp in the Clearwater parking lot.
[0:48:55 – 0:48:57] Erik: Thanks, Bunchy Envelope.
[0:48:57 – 0:48:58] Adam: You could camp in a worse spot.
[0:48:59 – 0:49:00] Adam: That’s also true.
[0:49:01 – 0:49:04] Adam: Actually, it would have been better if they camped over on the badminton court, though.
[0:49:04 – 0:49:06] Adam: That’s a nice spot.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:07] Erik: It’s a little slanted.
[0:49:08 – 0:49:08] Erik: Yeah, I guess.
[0:49:08 – 0:49:10] Adam: It’s kind of sloping down towards the road.
[0:49:15 – 0:49:17] Adam: Partige.
[0:49:17 – 0:49:18] Adam: Three points.
[0:49:21 – 0:49:24] Adam: Lots of long, well-thought responses here.
[0:49:24 – 0:49:29] Adam: All I would say is get on the water before everyone else and you will have your pick of the lot.
[0:49:29 – 0:49:37] Adam: We tried to be on the water by 8.30 or 9 a.m. and almost always pull into a campsite about an hour or so before someone else left.
[0:49:37 – 0:49:42] Adam: If you get on the water later than that, you risk someone else taking your site before you roll into the area.
[0:49:43 – 0:50:09] Adam: truer words were never spoke never never spoke yeah my first um yeah i mean if you have the luxury of being on the water early take advantage and get on there and i like the idea of like you’re not necessarily looking for an open campsite but for one that is being vacated and this time of year especially um in a a very popular area that makes sense
[0:50:09 – 0:50:10] Erik: For sure, yeah.
[0:50:11 – 0:50:13] Erik: I mean, it’s like anything.
[0:50:14 – 0:50:22] Adam: I feel like on our large trip, even, which was early season, somebody was there, and we just kind of happened to roll into it as it was being emptied.
[0:50:22 – 0:50:22] Erik: Yeah.
[0:50:23 – 0:50:24] Adam: Yeah, I mean, it happens.
[0:50:24 – 0:50:25] Adam: Sometimes you’re just lucky.
[0:50:27 – 0:50:28] Adam: Better to be lucky than good.
[0:50:29 – 0:50:31] Adam: Or, no, I think it’s the other way around.
[0:50:32 – 0:50:34] Adam: Either way, better to be early than lucky.
[0:50:35 – 0:50:36] Adam: That’s the real saying.
[0:50:36 – 0:50:39] Erik: Acts of kindness.
[0:50:40 – 0:50:41] UNKNOWN: Three points.
[0:50:42 – 0:50:50] Erik: If the campsite of the night will be near an entry point, I’ll make a mental note to try to get in earlier.
[0:50:53 – 0:50:53] Adam: What does that mean?
[0:50:54 – 0:50:57] Erik: If the campsite of the night will be near an entry point.
[0:50:57 – 0:51:05] Adam: Like if you’re projecting yourself to be near an entry point for that evening, say even if it’s the night going in or the night coming out.
[0:51:05 – 0:51:05] Adam: Yes.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:07] Adam: Then you’re going to want to try and get in early.
[0:51:07 – 0:51:09] Adam: Is that the extent of the content?
[0:51:09 – 0:51:10] Erik: No, there’s one more sentence here.
[0:51:10 – 0:51:12] Erik: I was just trying to make sense of the first sentence.
[0:51:12 – 0:51:12] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:13 – 0:51:15] Adam: I mean, those two comments were kind of similar.
[0:51:16 – 0:51:16] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:16 – 0:51:23] Erik: Additionally, if the desired campsite location is near an entry point and will be arriving Friday or Saturday night, I’ll take the first one I can find.
[0:51:23 – 0:51:23] Adam: Absolutely.
[0:51:23 – 0:51:25] Adam: That’s like high priority.
[0:51:25 – 0:51:26] Adam: Day of the week.
[0:51:26 – 0:51:27] Adam: That’s a smart.
[0:51:27 – 0:51:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:29 – 0:51:29] Erik: Thank you, Axe.
[0:51:31 – 0:51:34] Adam: Yeah, that’s an early bird gets the worm kind of mentality.
[0:51:34 – 0:51:38] Adam: And then especially if you’re in peak season, you’re going to want to adapt this.
[0:51:38 – 0:51:42] Adam: So extra point for Pirajita and Acts of Kindness.
[0:51:43 – 0:51:44] Adam: You’re both up to four points.
[0:51:44 – 0:51:44] Adam: Great job.
[0:51:45 – 0:51:47] Adam: You’re onto the first page now of printed Reddit.
[0:51:51 – 0:51:55] Adam: Do you know 634, friend of the show?
[0:51:55 – 0:51:56] Adam: Friend of the show.
[0:51:56 – 0:51:57] Erik: Good friend of the show.
[0:51:57 – 0:52:02] Erik: That’s where our Clearwater Relief in Studio K came from.
[0:52:03 – 0:52:05] Adam: How are you way down here with three points, do you know?
[0:52:07 – 0:52:07] Adam: We’ll see.
[0:52:08 – 0:52:09] Adam: Don’t plan anything.
[0:52:10 – 0:52:18] Adam: While working, I periodically peruse some BWCA.com reviews, Outfitter reviews, and, of course, I listen to the show.
[0:52:18 – 0:52:19] Adam: So these things are in my head.
[0:52:20 – 0:52:31] Adam: But when traveling, I do not like to really plan for these things because nothing goes the way you want it to go, and I do not like to be disappointed by things not going to plan.
[0:52:32 – 0:52:33] Adam: Yes.
[0:52:33 – 0:52:33] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:52:35 – 0:52:38] Adam: You can’t have things not go to plan if you don’t have a plan.
[0:52:38 – 0:52:39] Adam: Ooh, wow.
[0:52:39 – 0:52:46] Adam: Sure, it’s always nice to have an awesome site, but the reality is the sites you camp in are not going to make or break the beauty of the wilderness.
[0:52:48 – 0:52:57] Adam: But I will say on my maps, I am frequently looking for a site on the south side of a lake or a view to the north in the event that the northern lights do appear.
[0:52:58 – 0:53:05] Adam: Never found a site, never had to share, and do not want more management of this.
[0:53:06 – 0:53:10] Adam: It’s already ridiculous that people can get a permit six months in advance.
[0:53:11 – 0:53:14] Adam: All permits should be first come, first serve on the day you want to enter.
[0:53:14 – 0:53:14] Adam: Whoa.
[0:53:15 – 0:53:15] Adam: What?
[0:53:15 – 0:53:16] Adam: No, that’s radical.
[0:53:17 – 0:53:17] Erik: That’s…
[0:53:18 – 0:53:24] Erik: All right, everything Duna was saying there for basically up until that last sentence made complete sense.
[0:53:24 – 0:53:40] Erik: So if I’m to understand the way he was phrasing that, is he implying that you shouldn’t be able to get a permit until you literally like drive up here and go like walk into an outfitter?
[0:53:42 – 0:53:42] Erik: I guess so.
[0:53:42 – 0:53:44] Erik: Because that seems like…
[0:53:44 – 0:53:45] Erik: But there’s more.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:51] Adam: As I write this, there are 64 permits available, not including the three from Canada permits.
[0:53:51 – 0:53:53] Adam: Stop planning your life every day.
[0:53:53 – 0:53:54] Adam: Is that a schedule?
[0:53:54 – 0:53:56] Adam: I’m going to redo that last sentence.
[0:53:57 – 0:53:57] Adam: Do it.
[0:53:58 – 0:54:02] Adam: Stop planning your life like everything is on a schedule and just go do something.
[0:54:03 – 0:54:07] Adam: All right, well, I disagree with the idea that they should all just be walk-ins.
[0:54:08 – 0:54:12] Adam: I love the idea that there should be some walk-ins, especially for deep park stuff.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:13] Erik: Oh, for sure.
[0:54:14 – 0:54:17] Adam: We discussed this on The System in Season 1.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:18] Erik: The System.
[0:54:18 – 0:54:20] Adam: The System.
[0:54:21 – 0:54:25] Adam: I like the whole mentality and philosophy of this post.
[0:54:25 – 0:54:26] Adam: I do, too.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:32] Adam: I will award Duno six, three, four, three extra points for this post.
[0:54:32 – 0:54:34] Adam: Just for the last sentence alone.
[0:54:34 – 0:54:35] Adam: I’m going to reread it.
[0:54:36 – 0:54:40] Adam: Stop planning your life like everything is on the schedule and just go do something.
[0:54:40 – 0:54:41] Erik: I love it.
[0:54:41 – 0:54:41] Erik: That’s good.
[0:54:42 – 0:54:42] Erik: I love it.
[0:54:42 – 0:54:43] Erik: I love that.
[0:54:45 – 0:54:49] Erik: But just to pull some pragmatism back your way.
[0:54:52 – 0:54:59] Erik: To have an entire Bon Jovi permit system set up and a first come first serve basis would be madness.
[0:54:59 – 0:55:00] Adam: It would be.
[0:55:00 – 0:55:01] Adam: It’s already madness.
[0:55:01 – 0:55:02] Adam: It would be madness.
[0:55:02 – 0:55:05] Adam: It would be more chaos on top of the chaos.
[0:55:05 – 0:55:06] Erik: I’m fine with a few.
[0:55:06 – 0:55:07] Erik: I think a few of them.
[0:55:07 – 0:55:12] Erik: It’s like any of the campgrounds up here, like Flower Lake Campground, Bearskin, Trails End.
[0:55:13 – 0:55:16] Erik: Like 60% of the campsites are reservable.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:17 – 0:55:19] Erik: And then the other 40 are just first come first serve.
[0:55:19 – 0:55:20] Adam: I like that mix, you know.
[0:55:20 – 0:55:43] Adam: yeah yeah to have that i’m looking i want to go to sleeping giant i really want to go see sleeping giant and there are like there’s a bunch of campsites you can reserve in the middle of summer and then the off season like it’s depending on the season too yeah in the summer there’s like 10 that are just walk in and get them if you don’t have a reservation and then in the off season there’s most of them are just come get them
[0:55:44 – 0:55:45] Adam: I like that kind of mix, though.
[0:55:45 – 0:55:53] Adam: Some of them, if you want to reserve them, if you want to reserve a site on a lake that’s an entry point, sure, there should be a couple in there you can just reserve.
[0:55:53 – 0:56:01] Adam: But I don’t want to hear about you trying to reserve a site, the little caribou site, or trying to reserve a site on Little Sag.
[0:56:02 – 0:56:02] Adam: Come on.
[0:56:02 – 0:56:05] Adam: If you’re that far in, you should be able to get one anyways.
[0:56:05 – 0:56:06] Adam: I like that.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:07] Adam: There could be a blend, but
[0:56:08 – 0:56:08] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:56:08 – 0:56:12] Adam: Then it’s more levels of bureaucracy and crap.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:16] Erik: Let’s finish the responses before we get our thoughts going.
[0:56:16 – 0:56:17] Erik: All right.
[0:56:17 – 0:56:17] Erik: All right.
[0:56:17 – 0:56:18] Erik: Easy.
[0:56:18 – 0:56:19] Erik: Easy.
[0:56:19 – 0:56:20] Erik: Easy, boy.
[0:56:21 – 0:56:21] Erik: Easy.
[0:56:22 – 0:56:26] Adam: I think I’m going to need a break after this next response to just gather myself.
[0:56:26 – 0:56:27] Adam: I’m getting a little excited.
[0:56:27 – 0:56:27] Adam: Sure.
[0:56:27 – 0:56:29] Adam: You’re sitting real up.
[0:56:30 – 0:56:32] Adam: You’re perched on the edge of that rocking chair.
[0:56:32 – 0:56:33] Erik: You’re not using the back.
[0:56:34 – 0:56:34] Erik: At all.
[0:56:34 – 0:56:36] Erik: We got Rojo Rider here.
[0:56:36 – 0:56:38] Adam: Rojo Rider.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:39] Adam: Hold on, hold on, hold on
[0:56:41 – 0:57:07] Erik: rojo rider you’re losing it i think yes we’re gonna loon everything this episode everything’s being loonified uh friend of the show rojo rider i do a fair amount of looking at the potential routes for the area so we can adjust based on the weather or the general feeling of the group adaptability is key for us we’ve often changed the plan and probably had a much better time because of it
[0:57:08 – 0:57:20] Erik: As far as campsites before the trip, I will research potential sites in the area to see if any stand out in the reviews from various sources, Paddle Planner, Tumble Home, BWCA.com, etc.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:25] Erik: But in general, I do not rely too heavily on reviews.
[0:57:25 – 0:57:30] Erik: I will usually check out every site in the area to see what suits our needs best.
[0:57:30 – 0:57:35] Erik: I’ve stayed at sites that were not previously reviewed that ended up being some of my favorite spots.
[0:57:36 – 0:57:39] Erik: As far as reservations, I like the first-come, first-served system.
[0:57:40 – 0:57:47] Erik: I don’t see how any other system could logistically be implemented, especially with the Forest Service’s shrinking budget.
[0:57:47 – 0:57:55] Erik: I’ve never had a problem finding a site, but then again, I usually go to the park in the non-peak season and avoid the heavily used entries.
[0:57:55 – 0:57:57] Erik: So for me, it may just be a selection bias.
[0:57:58 – 0:58:06] Erik: My biggest problem with the campsites are the people who do not respect the leave no trace principles and especially those who do face trees at the campsites.
[0:58:06 – 0:58:09] Erik: Looking at you, Bobby and Rex.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:10] Adam: Yeah, come on.
[0:58:10 – 0:58:15] Erik: That tree may have been growing for over 500 years in some cases of cedars.
[0:58:15 – 0:58:17] Erik: Show some GD respect.
[0:58:18 – 0:58:23] Erik: Um, this is more personally just for me and you, but he says, by the way, the false chain was great.
[0:58:23 – 0:58:24] Erik: Yes.
[0:58:24 – 0:58:26] Erik: You were totally right about the magic of that area.
[0:58:27 – 0:58:27] Erik: Jealous.
[0:58:27 – 0:58:28] Erik: True, true magic.
[0:58:29 – 0:58:31] Adam: Great to hear from you, Rojo.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:38] Adam: And, uh, you can tell a friend of the show, just, uh, I’m a, I’m an agreement across the board on these ideas.
[0:58:40 – 0:59:07] Erik: yeah so but man well it’s been a while since we’ve been to the falls chain i know i every time i get out and paddle and it’s not the falls chain i just keep telling myself i’m just getting older every day i gotta do i gotta do one more big trip up into quetico like i want to do one more month-long trip up there before it’s too late don’t limit yourself there’ll be way more than one month one more
[0:59:08 – 0:59:09] Erik: Way more than one more?
[0:59:09 – 0:59:10] Erik: Way more than one more.
[0:59:10 – 0:59:13] Erik: Do you need to take a break before we do this next one?
[0:59:13 – 0:59:15] Adam: Let’s take a break and check the levels.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:16] Erik: The levels?
[0:59:16 – 0:59:20] SPEAKER_02: I think they’re fine.
[0:59:20 – 0:59:21] SPEAKER_02: Levels.
[0:59:21 – 0:59:31] Adam: Alright, we’re… Alright, we’re back and it is the full moon and it is now dark out.
[0:59:31 – 0:59:31] Adam: The moon is up.
[0:59:32 – 0:59:35] Adam: As we enter the third page of
[0:59:36 – 0:59:39] Adam: Printed credit.
[0:59:39 – 0:59:41] Erik: I think the moon is rising right now.
[0:59:41 – 0:59:42] Erik: 836 was moonrise.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:43] Adam: Yeah.
[0:59:43 – 0:59:44] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:59:44 – 0:59:46] Adam: I believe it’s the full moon tonight.
[0:59:46 – 0:59:46] Erik: Very full.
[0:59:47 – 0:59:48] Erik: The fullest of fool.
[0:59:48 – 0:59:52] Erik: We’re also having a second Dragon’s Milk.
[0:59:52 – 0:59:52] Erik: You should point that out.
[0:59:52 – 0:59:53] Adam: Yeah, right.
[0:59:53 – 0:59:58] Adam: So there is four Dragon’s Milks in a pack.
[0:59:58 – 1:00:06] Adam: So as we are now getting into the third page of printed Reddit, that one we caught on the audio.
[1:00:06 – 1:00:08] Adam: I can tell you the audio was solid on that one.
[1:00:08 – 1:00:09] Adam: Yeah.
[1:00:09 – 1:00:10] Adam: Here in Studio A.
[1:00:11 – 1:00:14] Adam: And why don’t we just get another cheers in.
[1:00:14 – 1:00:20] Adam: Like you said earlier, it’s been a long time since we’ve recorded in Studio A.
[1:00:20 – 1:00:22] Erik: It’s been a long time.
[1:00:22 – 1:00:25] Adam: Studio A is a very sentimental place in my heart.
[1:00:27 – 1:00:29] Erik: Yeah, and maybe it’s the dragon’s milk talking.
[1:00:29 – 1:00:29] Erik: Maybe.
[1:00:30 – 1:00:33] Erik: It’s also just, I think, good to be in here.
[1:00:33 – 1:00:34] Erik: It is.
[1:00:35 – 1:00:36] Adam: Nice to be here in the summer.
[1:00:37 – 1:00:38] Adam: Yeah.
[1:00:38 – 1:00:41] Adam: This building is a very historic building.
[1:00:41 – 1:00:42] Erik: Yeah, you helped me build it.
[1:00:44 – 1:00:51] Adam: Yeah, it’s as much a part as Clearwater Lodge as any place I’ve been on the property.
[1:00:53 – 1:00:54] Adam: Other than maybe the lodge itself.
[1:00:54 – 1:00:55] Adam: Yeah, all right, all right.
[1:00:55 – 1:00:56] Adam: It’s like secondary.
[1:00:56 – 1:00:59] Adam: I believe this was the original practice lodge or something.
[1:00:59 – 1:01:00] Adam: Yeah.
[1:01:00 – 1:01:04] Adam: Like Charlie built this first just with his sticks and bindles.
[1:01:06 – 1:01:07] Adam: All right, back to the Reddit.
[1:01:08 – 1:01:14] Adam: We’re talking campsites, and next up is Monk Rome with three points.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:20] Adam: Wing it and take the first one we think we’ll be comfortable in.
[1:01:20 – 1:01:23] Adam: We typically like a flat spot for a tent.
[1:01:23 – 1:01:24] Adam: Everything else is negotiable.
[1:01:26 – 1:01:30] Adam: And have you ever not been able to find an open site?
[1:01:31 – 1:01:38] Adam: Not in the BWCA, but we paddled an extra 10 to 15 miles once on the St. Croix because every spot was taken.
[1:01:38 – 1:01:42] Adam: We finally found a tiny campsite and had very little paddling left the next day.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:47] Adam: I think we paddled 45 miles that day with a good current, but only intended 30.
[1:01:48 – 1:01:48] Adam: Yikes.
[1:01:49 – 1:01:53] Adam: That’s the St. Croix, part of the St. Croix National Scenic Riverway.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:54] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:57] Adam: I don’t know if we’ve talked about that a lot.
[1:01:57 – 1:01:58] Adam: I’m sure it’s been mentioned.
[1:01:59 – 1:02:01] Adam: That’s a really cool system.
[1:02:02 – 1:02:06] Adam: Got some friends who are doing a trip up there or down yonder there around Labor Day.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:12] Erik: There’s also another group of friends doing that in October, and I don’t know if either of those are going to work.
[1:02:12 – 1:02:13] Adam: Boy, that would be fun.
[1:02:14 – 1:02:17] Adam: I’ve done a few trips on the St. Croix National Scenic Riverway.
[1:02:17 – 1:02:18] Adam: It is really nice.
[1:02:18 – 1:02:19] Adam: I’ve never…
[1:02:19 – 1:02:26] Adam: Seeing congestion like that on that section, I’ve done more on the Namakagan River and not so much on the St. Croix.
[1:02:26 – 1:02:30] Adam: But, yeah, I mean, you can really get back there.
[1:02:30 – 1:02:31] Adam: That’s a cool set.
[1:02:31 – 1:02:33] Adam: Anyways, monkfish.
[1:02:34 – 1:02:35] Adam: Monk Rome?
[1:02:36 – 1:02:37] Adam: What the hell am I talking about?
[1:02:37 – 1:02:38] Adam: Monkfish.
[1:02:38 – 1:02:38] Adam: Monkfish.
[1:02:38 – 1:02:44] Adam: Well, you may want to consider changing your username, Monk Rome, but I like Monk Rome.
[1:02:44 – 1:02:45] Adam: We’re going to stick with that.
[1:02:47 – 1:02:48] Adam: on sharing a campsite.
[1:02:48 – 1:02:50] Adam: Again, not in the Boundary Waters.
[1:02:50 – 1:02:56] Adam: We pulled up on a beach campsite on White Otter Lake, Ontario, where people had pitched tents about 60 feet away.
[1:02:56 – 1:03:00] Adam: The space was usually used as one site, but it was easily enough to create separation.
[1:03:01 – 1:03:08] Adam: I don’t think they were thrilled to have company, but we explained it had been a long day and we were not up for another two miles to the next good site.
[1:03:09 – 1:03:11] Adam: And do you think there’s a better way?
[1:03:11 – 1:03:16] Adam: I like to build in an extra day on a longer trip and then play each day by what happens.
[1:03:16 – 1:03:22] Adam: If I had reserved campsites, then that would turn the trip into a job instead of an adventure.
[1:03:22 – 1:03:23] Erik: Oh, I like that.
[1:03:23 – 1:03:25] Adam: Yeah, that’s true.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:28] Adam: I mean, if you’ve got to be at a certain spot at a certain time.
[1:03:28 – 1:03:30] Erik: Wind comes in, weather comes in.
[1:03:31 – 1:03:33] Adam: You don’t have the flexibility then.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:34] Adam: And that’s totally a thing that is.
[1:03:34 – 1:03:39] Adam: And again, multiple people have pointed out, like, how would you manage that really in the deep interior of the park?
[1:03:39 – 1:03:42] Adam: I can see it on an entry point, like maybe.
[1:03:42 – 1:03:50] Adam: Even then I can see problems, you know, minus a marauder’s map or some sort of like ignition system that you hit on the box when you get there.
[1:03:50 – 1:03:51] Adam: Yeah, we’ve mentioned that before too.
[1:03:52 – 1:03:53] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:03:53 – 1:03:57] Adam: I think the way it’s set up is probably the best way we can do it.
[1:03:58 – 1:03:58] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:59 – 1:04:09] Erik: I mean, I think we’ll let our full opinions fly on that in a minute here, but I generally agree with most of the responses so far in the first-come, first-served setup.
[1:04:10 – 1:04:16] Erik: We’ve got Kevin Abiel.
[1:04:17 – 1:04:19] Erik: Probably butchered that.
[1:04:19 – 1:04:20] Erik: No, no.
[1:04:21 – 1:04:21] Erik: That’s how it says.
[1:04:22 – 1:04:23] Erik: That’s how it says.
[1:04:24 – 1:04:26] Erik: Honestly, talk to the outfitters most of the time.
[1:04:27 – 1:04:32] Erik: They are more than happy to talk about the campsites on certain lakes and let you know which ones are better than others.
[1:04:33 – 1:04:36] Erik: Especially if big groups or hammock camping, they know better.
[1:04:37 – 1:04:43] Erik: Big thing my group always does when we set up camp is put one or two of our red life jackets somewhere very visible.
[1:04:44 – 1:04:51] Erik: Hate paddling up to a campsite thinking it’s empty to find you just couldn’t see any tents.
[1:04:51 – 1:04:53] Erik: Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day.
[1:04:53 – 1:04:57] Adam: I mean, technically that’s visual pollution.
[1:04:58 – 1:05:19] Adam: oh yeah technically i put a green leaving a trace but i also appreciate it so i do and i like i usually will hang the like water filter somewhere down by the landing at least which is bright red yeah same same exact concept so i can’t though it’s just like a little thing right you know it’s something just a little something for somebody who’s paying attention like there it is
[1:05:20 – 1:05:21] Erik: Well, we’ve done that in the past, too.
[1:05:21 – 1:05:24] Erik: Like, I think it was one of those falls a few years back.
[1:05:24 – 1:05:29] Erik: We were out on West Pike going for that campsite across from the island, the Superior Campsite.
[1:05:30 – 1:05:30] Erik: Yes.
[1:05:30 – 1:05:33] Erik: And we, like, almost were, like, getting out of the canoe.
[1:05:33 – 1:05:34] Erik: And we were like, oh, there’s people up there.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:38] Adam: There’s, like, a person wearing, like, one of those, like, furry suits.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:39] Adam: A ghillie suit?
[1:05:39 – 1:05:40] Adam: Yeah, a ghillie suit.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:42] Adam: Just, like, pawing at the ground.
[1:05:42 – 1:05:44] Adam: Like, whoa, that’s not right.
[1:05:45 – 1:05:46] Adam: And, like, camo set up.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:47] Adam: Like, nothing visible.
[1:05:47 – 1:05:48] Adam: Way up in camp.
[1:05:49 – 1:05:51] Adam: So that’s the opposite end.
[1:05:51 – 1:05:54] Adam: Thank you for not leaving a trace, but also we had to paddle right up to you.
[1:05:54 – 1:05:56] Adam: It’s probably just going to be weird for you.
[1:05:56 – 1:05:58] Adam: That’s a little bit weird and on you.
[1:05:58 – 1:06:01] Adam: You’re an Aldi.
[1:06:01 – 1:06:03] Adam: Kevin Aldiel.
[1:06:03 – 1:06:04] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know how you say that.
[1:06:04 – 1:06:06] Adam: I was just checking back on that one.
[1:06:07 – 1:06:08] Adam: I couldn’t see it before.
[1:06:09 – 1:06:20] Adam: Yeah, and Kevin Abiel also made the point, you know, for big groups or just like one person or two people with a hammock, what is the ideal campsite is completely different.
[1:06:20 – 1:06:22] Erik: The campsite is in the eye of the beholder, Eric.
[1:06:23 – 1:06:23] Erik: Of course.
[1:06:24 – 1:06:25] Erik: Like everything out there.
[1:06:26 – 1:06:26] Adam: Aldi won.
[1:06:27 – 1:06:28] Adam: Only one point.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:29] Adam: Shame.
[1:06:30 – 1:06:30] Adam: Well, we’ll see.
[1:06:31 – 1:06:59] Adam: researching campsites is my favorite part of the planning process i write notes about each desirable site along the route and plan our attack accordingly you never know up until up in the b-dub so any advantage helps i was unable to find an available site last year near an entry point this has helped change the way i planned the last day of a trip to avoid this in future i like the current system to manage campsites there’s more fun in not knowing where you’ll end up
[1:07:00 – 1:07:01] Adam: Very pragmatic.
[1:07:01 – 1:07:02] Adam: I like that response.
[1:07:03 – 1:07:03] Erik: Yeah.
[1:07:04 – 1:07:09] Adam: Yeah, I mean, of all the responses, and this one only got one point.
[1:07:10 – 1:07:11] Adam: This one’s probably closest to mine.
[1:07:11 – 1:07:17] Adam: It’s like, you know, if I kind of know where I’m going, do a little research, kind of have a few in mind.
[1:07:17 – 1:07:19] Adam: If it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out.
[1:07:19 – 1:07:20] Adam: Don’t let it ruin your day or anything.
[1:07:21 – 1:07:21] Adam: Yeah.
[1:07:21 – 1:07:23] Adam: You know, check it out.
[1:07:23 – 1:07:27] Erik: I think there’s very many people out there that I get the sense that it ruins their trip.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:28] Adam: No, that’s probably true.
[1:07:28 – 1:07:31] Adam: Yeah, but everybody’s always got that one sight, right?
[1:07:31 – 1:07:33] Adam: That’s like, I’ve got this sight in my heart.
[1:07:34 – 1:07:34] Erik: For sure.
[1:07:34 – 1:07:37] Erik: And that’s the problem, I think, with doing too much research.
[1:07:37 – 1:07:38] Erik: I love doing research on my own, too.
[1:07:39 – 1:07:48] Erik: It might not even be the act of actually finding the kind of site that I want to get.
[1:07:48 – 1:07:51] Erik: It’s just part of the planning.
[1:07:52 – 1:07:52] Erik: You know what I’m saying?
[1:07:53 – 1:07:53] Erik: Being prepared.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:55] Erik: Yeah, being prepared, totally.
[1:07:55 – 1:07:56] Erik: But it’s also just like…
[1:07:57 – 1:07:59] Erik: All right, I know I’m going to be in this area.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:09] Erik: It’s going to just be exciting to take a couple of minutes at the end of the day or on my lunch break or whatever to explore what some of the lakes look like.
[1:08:09 – 1:08:12] Erik: It’s like that’s just a part of the fun of planning a trip.
[1:08:13 – 1:08:17] Erik: Of any trip, whether it’s in the Bungie Waters or a vacation anywhere.
[1:08:17 – 1:08:17] Erik: Right, right.
[1:08:18 – 1:08:20] Erik: The planning is a big part of it for me.
[1:08:20 – 1:08:30] Erik: So using that as an excuse to kind of extend the vacation more or less in a little bit of a sense.
[1:08:30 – 1:08:31] Adam: Absolutely.
[1:08:31 – 1:08:37] Adam: And even if you plan and look ahead and even if you look at some pictures and…
[1:08:38 – 1:08:40] Adam: kind of get a real good idea of which one you want.
[1:08:40 – 1:08:43] Adam: Maybe you don’t end up on that site, and maybe you do.
[1:08:44 – 1:08:47] Adam: But, like, it never looks the same.
[1:08:47 – 1:08:48] Adam: No, it never does.
[1:08:48 – 1:08:53] Adam: When you finally get there, the site is for you only, like, that night.
[1:08:53 – 1:08:56] Adam: And the site will never look like that to anybody else.
[1:08:56 – 1:08:56] Erik: For sure.
[1:08:56 – 1:09:07] Adam: So no matter what pictures you look at or what review you read, you know, as much as you do prepare, I think there’s a lot of sentiment in a lot of these responses, like, that it’s the adventure of not knowing.
[1:09:07 – 1:09:08] Erik: That’s part of the fun, I think.
[1:09:08 – 1:09:18] Adam: Yeah, but no matter how much you look at it, like, when you are there in that moment, it is new and a whole adventure to your whole trip at that point.
[1:09:18 – 1:09:18] Erik: Yeah.
[1:09:18 – 1:09:21] Erik: I don’t know if that’s the best way to say it, but I think you understand what I’m saying.
[1:09:30 – 1:09:35] Erik: And I’m like, you know, they’re just my subjective reviews of especially the ones that I don’t camp at.
[1:09:36 – 1:09:40] Erik: Just taking a picture of them, walking around, making my best guess.
[1:09:41 – 1:09:44] Erik: And then they were like, well, do you think any of them have changed since then?
[1:09:45 – 1:09:50] Erik: And I was like, I think maybe some of the only ones that have ever changed are ones that I have since camped at.
[1:09:51 – 1:09:56] Erik: I would give much higher grades to now just because I’ve camped at them and there’s a memory associated with it.
[1:09:56 – 1:09:57] Erik: Absolutely.
[1:09:57 – 1:10:04] Erik: Or the ones that I’ve gone back to, like, I had, like, given much lower grades than I remembered.
[1:10:05 – 1:10:11] Erik: I’m like, man, I remember this site being way cooler, but it’s just because that was one of the bunch, one of those campsites I was at.
[1:10:12 – 1:10:17] Erik: And so I think the whole, like, grading them and, like, that’s fun for us.
[1:10:17 – 1:10:17] Erik: I like doing it.
[1:10:17 – 1:10:18] Erik: It is fun.
[1:10:18 – 1:10:18] Erik: I’m not going to stop.
[1:10:18 – 1:10:20] Adam: It’s a big part of, you’ve done a lot of them.
[1:10:20 – 1:10:21] Adam: I’ve helped you out with some.
[1:10:22 – 1:10:24] Adam: I mean, it’s a big part of, you’ve got a lot of,
[1:10:24 – 1:10:26] Adam: You’ve got a whole website of reviews you’ve done.
[1:10:27 – 1:10:32] Erik: Yeah, but I think that there is some infrastructure, tent pads…
[1:10:32 – 1:10:34] Erik: Maybe even a little bit of the landing thing.
[1:10:34 – 1:10:35] Adam: The basics, but the intangibles.
[1:10:35 – 1:10:37] Erik: When the grade and the intangible comes in.
[1:10:37 – 1:10:43] Adam: That just depends on the day, the people you’re with at the time, how you found it.
[1:10:43 – 1:10:46] Adam: These are the things you cannot grade.
[1:10:46 – 1:10:51] Erik: No, getting to spend a night at a campsite just automatically bumps it up a letter, even if it’s enough.
[1:10:52 – 1:10:56] Adam: I like the idea of the memories themselves making the campsite better.
[1:10:56 – 1:10:57] Erik: Oh, for sure.
[1:10:57 – 1:10:58] Erik: Yeah.
[1:10:58 – 1:11:01] Adam: We just watched Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince last night.
[1:11:02 – 1:11:08] Adam: And this is like, you can put a little memory in the pensive into a little jar and carry it with you in your cloak.
[1:11:09 – 1:11:09] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:10 – 1:11:12] Adam: That itself makes the campsite more valuable.
[1:11:12 – 1:11:15] Adam: I can’t believe we got a pensive reference into this episode.
[1:11:15 – 1:11:16] Adam: That’s pretty incredible.
[1:11:16 – 1:11:16] Adam: This is great.
[1:11:16 – 1:11:19] Erik: I watched Grand Budapest Hotel last night.
[1:11:19 – 1:11:24] Erik: I don’t think I have anything that I can allegorically relate to that movie in regards to campsites.
[1:11:24 – 1:11:25] Erik: Well, it may come to you.
[1:11:26 – 1:11:26] Erik: Maybe.
[1:11:26 – 1:11:27] Adam: Maybe eventually.
[1:11:27 – 1:11:28] Adam: We have plenty of show left.
[1:11:29 – 1:11:30] Erik: All right.
[1:11:30 – 1:11:33] Erik: I think we’re on second to the last one there.
[1:11:33 – 1:11:35] Adam: A Ruthman.
[1:11:37 – 1:11:37] Adam: Nice.
[1:11:38 – 1:11:39] Adam: No, is that not the one you just read?
[1:11:40 – 1:11:40] Adam: What?
[1:11:40 – 1:11:40] Adam: Yeah.
[1:11:40 – 1:11:41] Adam: A Ruthman.
[1:11:43 – 1:11:44] Adam: I never read that.
[1:11:44 – 1:11:45] Adam: This is the best part of printed Reddit.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:46] Adam: I like that.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:48] Adam: Is it me or is it you?
[1:11:49 – 1:11:49] Erik: Huh?
[1:11:50 – 1:11:51] Erik: Didn’t you just read it?
[1:11:51 – 1:11:53] Adam: Uh-oh.
[1:11:53 – 1:11:54] Adam: Yeah, you did.
[1:11:54 – 1:11:56] Adam: Yeah, I did.
[1:11:56 – 1:11:58] Erik: The dragon’s milk is given to us.
[1:11:58 – 1:12:08] Adam: This dragon’s milk, folks, friends of the show, anybody who’s still with us here in the third hour of the show will know that the dragon’s milk has taken hold.
[1:12:08 – 1:12:10] Erik: Ruthen B.
[1:12:11 – 1:12:16] Erik: We only get to make one trip a season, so it is heavily researched as we dream about our next route.
[1:12:17 – 1:12:25] Erik: BWCA.com, interactive map with campsite reviews, and with any luck, a Tumble Home podcast lake review episode for our route.
[1:12:27 – 1:12:33] Erik: Next year, I am taking the family on Clearwater, Caribou, Alder, Moon, Deer Loop, and I’ve already listened to those episodes.
[1:12:34 – 1:12:37] Erik: For campsite tips, we probably should do Alder this fall.
[1:12:38 – 1:12:38] Adam: Yeah.
[1:12:39 – 1:12:41] Erik: That I have all the campsites reviewed on.
[1:12:41 – 1:12:44] Erik: We’ll get that one out there for you before next year.
[1:12:44 – 1:12:46] Adam: We got to get to Piers.
[1:12:46 – 1:12:47] Erik: Yeah.
[1:12:47 – 1:12:49] Erik: Piers and Crystal.
[1:12:49 – 1:12:53] Erik: We struggled to find a campsite a couple of summers ago coming across Iron Lake.
[1:12:53 – 1:13:02] Erik: We hoped to camp on Iron, but every site we passed was full on our route across to Boulder slash Tiger Bays on Lac La Croix.
[1:13:02 – 1:13:05] Erik: Finally got our sight on the south end of Agnes.
[1:13:06 – 1:13:10] Erik: It was a long paddle when we expected to be ending on iron that day.
[1:13:11 – 1:13:18] Erik: There is no reasonable way or fair way for the U.S. Forest Service to manage campsite availability today.
[1:13:18 – 1:13:22] Erik: other than through quantity and permit numbers.
[1:13:22 – 1:13:26] Erik: A lack of campsites is an outlier and not the norm.
[1:13:27 – 1:13:32] Erik: July and August will always be busy, but September, you can have a lake to yourself midweek.
[1:13:34 – 1:13:35] Erik: Love the podcast.
[1:13:35 – 1:13:36] Erik: Keep up the great work, guys.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:37] Erik: Love you.
[1:13:37 – 1:13:38] Erik: Thanks.
[1:13:38 – 1:13:38] Adam: Thank you.
[1:13:41 – 1:13:42] Erik: Last one.
[1:13:42 – 1:13:43] Erik: Wrapping it up.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:44] Erik: Printing.
[1:13:45 – 1:13:46] Erik: Printing.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:46] Erik: Printing.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:47] Erik: Printing.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:49] Erik: I think he just, or she waits until like.
[1:13:50 – 1:13:51] Adam: 17 days ago.
[1:13:51 – 1:13:52] Adam: Well.
[1:13:52 – 1:13:54] Erik: We’re all off schedule right now.
[1:13:54 – 1:13:56] Erik: Printing is always the last one.
[1:13:56 – 1:13:58] Adam: Always with one point.
[1:13:59 – 1:13:59] Adam: Printing.
[1:13:59 – 1:14:00] Adam: Printing.
[1:14:00 – 1:14:00] Erik: Printing.
[1:14:01 – 1:14:05] Adam: Do you think printing, printing is downvoting their own responses to stay at the bottom?
[1:14:05 – 1:14:06] Adam: Just to be the last one.
[1:14:06 – 1:14:07] Adam: Just to have the last word.
[1:14:07 – 1:14:10] Adam: The last word with printing, printing.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:11] Adam: There should be a new segment.
[1:14:11 – 1:14:13] Erik: The last word with printing, printing.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:16] Erik: Printing, printing.
[1:14:18 – 1:14:21] Erik: If his or hers response ends with good night, then we’ll know.
[1:14:21 – 1:14:21] Adam: Yeah.
[1:14:22 – 1:14:23] Adam: That’s the end of the show.
[1:14:23 – 1:14:23] Adam: Yeah.
[1:14:25 – 1:14:29] Adam: Had to share a camp with some nice people on Pine, July 7th.
[1:14:29 – 1:14:31] Adam: We ran into each other on the water.
[1:14:31 – 1:14:32] Adam: Of this year?
[1:14:32 – 1:14:33] Adam: 2017.
[1:14:33 – 1:14:34] Adam: Oh, okay.
[1:14:36 – 1:14:40] Adam: We ran into each other on the water, both of our groups looking for a site.
[1:14:40 – 1:14:41] Adam: Dragon’s milk.
[1:14:50 – 1:14:52] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:14:52 – 1:14:56] Adam: I think it’s dragging some funny writing here.
[1:14:57 – 1:15:00] Adam: We’re each doing the Clearwater Loop opposite directions.
[1:15:00 – 1:15:06] Adam: Pine was busy, but the rest of the trip we only saw one group on East Pike and then one on Clearwater.
[1:15:07 – 1:15:09] Adam: I like FCFS.
[1:15:09 – 1:15:12] Adam: Would be a pain in the butt to reserve a specific site.
[1:15:13 – 1:15:17] Adam: Maybe Forest Service could just reduce the amount of permits for popular areas.
[1:15:18 – 1:15:23] Adam: Best strategy I can think of is to break camp early, then make camp early if you have a specific site you want.
[1:15:24 – 1:15:24] Adam: Edit.
[1:15:24 – 1:15:30] Adam: Also, anybody using the national map for nav or planning, I like how it is free to download the maps.
[1:15:30 – 1:15:35] Adam: Wish it could also show the campsites, but maybe it can and I just need to play with it some more.
[1:15:36 – 1:15:37] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:15:37 – 1:15:40] Adam: I really… No.
[1:15:40 – 1:15:46] Adam: I’m not going to award any extra points for the reading of that or for the response itself.
[1:15:46 – 1:15:47] Adam: Are you going to downvote yourself?
[1:15:47 – 1:15:50] Adam: I will downvote myself and I’ll award printing, printing one extra point.
[1:15:51 – 1:15:57] Adam: Do not associate my reading of this response with the quality of the response itself is what I’m trying to say.
[1:15:58 – 1:15:58] Erik: Yeah.
[1:15:59 – 1:16:03] Adam: So printing, printing is saying like you can get the maps off of the internet.
[1:16:03 – 1:16:03] Adam: Sure.
[1:16:05 – 1:16:05] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:16:05 – 1:16:11] Adam: I mean, Paddle Planner has the same maps overlaid with the data of the campsites itself.
[1:16:12 – 1:16:13] Adam: Just go there.
[1:16:13 – 1:16:13] Adam: Yeah.
[1:16:15 – 1:16:17] Erik: Well, that’s all the responses from Reddit.
[1:16:17 – 1:16:17] Erik: Thanks.
[1:16:18 – 1:16:19] Erik: Thanks, everybody.
[1:16:19 – 1:16:20] Erik: That was great.
[1:16:21 – 1:16:27] Erik: I think, I mean, it’s just like everything on Tumble Home.
[1:16:28 – 1:16:29] Erik: We’re kind of learning as we go.
[1:16:30 – 1:16:45] Erik: I really like the questions, but I think it makes a lot more sense to maybe save some more of them for the winter when people are thinking about open water.
[1:16:45 – 1:16:49] Erik: Because we’ve had like, I think we’ve only had two or three questions this summer about
[1:16:50 – 1:17:00] Adam: Yeah, we have not been throwing a lot out there, and then when we do, we have been neglecting them and letting them kind of sit for probably too long.
[1:17:01 – 1:17:12] Erik: Probably too long, but at the same time, when we did this last year, when we were doing like every other week was a question, sometimes we would read them, and then like as soon as we’d be done recording, like three more people would respond.
[1:17:12 – 1:17:12] Erik: That’s true.
[1:17:12 – 1:17:16] Erik: So I think it works to have them up longer, but I don’t know.
[1:17:16 – 1:17:19] Adam: I don’t mind the longer gestation on that question, but
[1:17:20 – 1:17:20] Erik: Yeah.
[1:17:21 – 1:17:36] Erik: So I think it might be, unless you have anything else to finish up with the nice responses, maybe we’ll just hit stop one more time and then go through the question that we asked and respond to them just from our own personal thoughts.
[1:17:37 – 1:17:40] Erik: Now that we have a lot of good information and thoughts from…
[1:17:41 – 1:17:44] Adam: Yeah, you got us all worked up now.
[1:17:45 – 1:17:46] Adam: I’m into it.
[1:17:46 – 1:17:53] Adam: I have a good idea in my mind of the idea we’re trying to get at and where we’re going.
[1:17:54 – 1:17:54] Erik: Yeah.
[1:17:55 – 1:17:57] Erik: Or if you don’t want to stop, we can just roll with it.
[1:17:59 – 1:18:00] Adam: Well, I don’t know.
[1:18:00 – 1:18:02] Adam: Let’s just have a sip of dragon’s milk and go.
[1:18:03 – 1:18:04] Erik: Yeah, all right.
[1:18:05 – 1:18:06] Erik: Dragon’s milk.
[1:18:06 – 1:18:06] Erik: Oh, man.
[1:18:07 – 1:18:10] Erik: Evan, you’ve really done us a number on this one.
[1:18:11 – 1:18:12] Adam: What was the note again?
[1:18:13 – 1:18:18] Adam: Anything over 10% ABV means absolute best value.
[1:18:18 – 1:18:19] Adam: Yeah, we’re having a…
[1:18:20 – 1:18:21] Adam: This is a value episode for sure.
[1:18:21 – 1:18:26] Erik: We’re having a real valued time in this screen porch right now.
[1:18:28 – 1:18:28] Adam: Yeah.
[1:18:28 – 1:18:28] Adam: Yeah.
[1:18:30 – 1:18:30] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:18:30 – 1:18:34] Adam: I’m really enjoying our time out here on Studio A’s screen porch.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:35] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:36 – 1:18:39] Adam: And I am as well.
[1:18:44 – 1:18:48] Adam: You want to redo the question and then we’ll just kind of talk on that for a bit?
[1:18:48 – 1:18:48] Adam: I think so.
[1:18:49 – 1:18:49] Erik: Okay.
[1:18:49 – 1:18:56] Erik: So obviously we started the question and response with the actual question.
[1:18:57 – 1:18:59] Erik: So let’s start with the first one.
[1:19:00 – 1:19:06] Erik: Do you have a method to your madness in researching ahead of time and finding the exact spot you want?
[1:19:06 – 1:19:09] Erik: Or do you just take what you can find and be surprised?
[1:19:11 – 1:19:14] Erik: Do you want to answer that, or should we just answer it together?
[1:19:17 – 1:19:18] Adam: Well, yeah.
[1:19:18 – 1:19:22] Adam: I mean, I think we are going to do a whole separate episode on just maps.
[1:19:23 – 1:19:24] Erik: Oh, yeah, for sure.
[1:19:24 – 1:19:24] Erik: Which we should do.
[1:19:24 – 1:19:25] Adam: Yes.
[1:19:25 – 1:19:31] Adam: And I don’t want to go too far into that, but we got the big map, and then we got the little maps, and we got all the little maps in between.
[1:19:31 – 1:19:32] Adam: Yeah.
[1:19:32 – 1:19:33] Adam: A lot of maps.
[1:19:33 – 1:19:34] Erik: Tons of maps.
[1:19:34 – 1:19:34] Erik: I can’t wait.
[1:19:34 – 1:19:36] Adam: How have we not done a map episode?
[1:19:36 – 1:19:42] Adam: As soon as we decide, like, we’re going to this entry point and we’re going to try for this area.
[1:19:42 – 1:19:45] Adam: I think that’s as far as we ever really plan the route.
[1:19:46 – 1:19:52] Adam: We will say, like, all right, we’re going for this area and then maybe this area and then back or maybe it’s only one night.
[1:19:54 – 1:19:54] Adam: So…
[1:19:56 – 1:19:59] Adam: I think it’s more like kind of get a general overview of the area.
[1:20:01 – 1:20:02] Adam: I like to just look at the map.
[1:20:03 – 1:20:08] Adam: Not so much as study the individual campsites right away, but just get the general overview.
[1:20:09 – 1:20:11] Erik: Yeah, I would say that I would generally agree with that.
[1:20:13 – 1:20:13] Erik: Once I know…
[1:20:16 – 1:20:24] Erik: that I have a specific entry point, then I do focus in on the lakes around where I think I can typically make it to.
[1:20:24 – 1:20:24] Erik: Right.
[1:20:25 – 1:20:37] Erik: I don’t do too much in the way of like, like the hardcore, like clicking on each individual site on bwca.com and then taking notes and,
[1:20:37 – 1:20:47] Erik: Half of the problem for me is, like, that’s why when I started the campsite reviews that are on Clearwater’s website, they are all associated with pictures.
[1:20:48 – 1:21:01] Erik: Because for me, I mean, not to say that there’s anything wrong with somebody posting their opinions on a campsite on bwca.com or Paddle Planner, but if there’s no pictures associated with it, I have no idea.
[1:21:01 – 1:21:02] Erik: Like, it’s crazy.
[1:21:03 – 1:21:28] Erik: how like wildly different people’s opinions on a campsite can be oh yeah you’re reading it’s like this is an amazing campsite wide open it’s got this it’s got that and then somebody else is like this yeah it’s not really that great at all yeah there’s buggy there’s no wind like there’s no well that’s the other thing like a campsite’s different day to day too day to day too but like if at least i can see a picture that we are visual monkeys
[1:21:28 – 1:21:45] Adam: yeah i think i think at least i am for sure i think most people learn by doing and by seeing and if you can have like a visual cue of the place you’re trying to get to that sure makes it more enticing especially if it’s a good picture yeah
[1:21:47 – 1:21:47] Erik: For sure.
[1:21:47 – 1:21:48] Erik: Yeah.
[1:21:48 – 1:21:54] Erik: And so I would say for trip prep is mostly just what looks good on a map.
[1:21:55 – 1:22:05] Erik: And I think doing multiple trips up in Quetico kind of trains you a little bit more for what a red dot on a… Red dot’s not necessarily a red dot.
[1:22:05 – 1:22:17] Erik: Well, no, like, I mean, like what a red dot in the boundary waters, like, cause we, when we were up in Quetico, we’d be like, cause they’re hardly any of them are actually red dotted.
[1:22:17 – 1:22:20] Erik: So you’d be like, this looks like a spot where there should be a campsite.
[1:22:20 – 1:22:20] Erik: Where it should be.
[1:22:21 – 1:22:21] Erik: Yes.
[1:22:21 – 1:22:22] Erik: I remember that happened.
[1:22:22 – 1:22:23] Erik: We’re like coming down off of Louisa.
[1:22:23 – 1:22:27] Erik: We’re like, man, this tip out on Agnes, there’s gotta be a campsite right here.
[1:22:28 – 1:22:33] Erik: And sure enough, we came around the corner and it was just like out on the tip of this point, just like a beautiful campsite.
[1:22:33 – 1:22:33] Adam: Yeah.
[1:22:33 – 1:22:34] Erik: It’s the intuition of it.
[1:22:35 – 1:22:35] Erik: So it’s experience.
[1:22:35 – 1:22:37] Adam: That’s the beauty of Quetico.
[1:22:37 – 1:22:40] Adam: It’s like whether you think there’s going to be a campsite, there usually is.
[1:22:41 – 1:22:41] Adam: Yeah.
[1:22:41 – 1:22:44] Adam: But sometimes you think there’s going to be a campsite and there’s no one to be found.
[1:22:45 – 1:22:45] Erik: Yeah.
[1:22:45 – 1:22:46] Erik: That’s a whole other discussion.
[1:22:46 – 1:22:47] Erik: It’s a real hall of mirrors.
[1:22:47 – 1:22:51] Erik: The fun of Quetico campsite location and discovery.
[1:22:52 – 1:22:52] Adam: Yeah.
[1:22:52 – 1:22:53] Adam: Like when they’re not marked.
[1:22:53 – 1:22:54] Adam: They’re not marked.
[1:22:54 – 1:22:55] Adam: That’s a whole other aspect of this.
[1:22:56 – 1:22:58] Adam: You have to like kind of feel it out.
[1:22:58 – 1:22:58] Adam: Yeah.
[1:22:58 – 1:22:59] Adam: Not kind of.
[1:22:59 – 1:23:00] Adam: You got to feel it out.
[1:23:00 – 1:23:00] Adam: Yeah.
[1:23:00 – 1:23:01] Adam: But the one thing.
[1:23:01 – 1:23:02] Adam: Your radar has to be up.
[1:23:03 – 1:23:06] Erik: The one thing with Quetico is the usage is substantially less.
[1:23:06 – 1:23:06] Erik: For sure.
[1:23:06 – 1:23:12] Erik: It’s not like one of those things where it’s like if you pass up a bad one, you’re like, well, we could probably find a better one.
[1:23:12 – 1:23:13] Erik: Yeah.
[1:23:14 – 1:23:27] Erik: So yeah, to boil it down, to answer that first question, trip prep is basically just staring at the map, thinking about the campsites that lay on the map, which ones look like they may be best and I may go for.
[1:23:27 – 1:23:32] Adam: And I’ll do a little bit of research, but inevitably- How much do you try and memorize the map?
[1:23:32 – 1:23:33] Erik: I don’t try to.
[1:23:33 – 1:23:40] Erik: It’s just that I’ve been told that I have a picture, like perfect memory.
[1:23:41 – 1:23:43] Erik: I can remember things like just off the top of my head.
[1:23:44 – 1:23:48] Erik: And it’s probably just because maps are always in front of my face over the course of a day.
[1:23:49 – 1:23:53] Erik: Even when I’m not on the water, there’s maps in front of me.
[1:23:53 – 1:23:54] Erik: Yeah.
[1:23:54 – 1:23:55] Adam: Even when I’m out there.
[1:23:55 – 1:24:07] Adam: I’ve always loved maps, and I feel like if I’m staring at a map of a section before a trip, that no matter, I don’t have to take the map out of my pocket usually to understand where we’re at.
[1:24:08 – 1:24:08] Erik: Yeah.
[1:24:08 – 1:24:11] Adam: I’ve always felt that I’ve had a good map just of the mind.
[1:24:12 – 1:24:13] Erik: Yeah, I’m not afraid to say it.
[1:24:13 – 1:24:14] Adam: An internal GPS.
[1:24:14 – 1:24:23] Erik: Yeah, I don’t usually talk ourselves up too much, but we navigated ourselves up to Little Sag without even pulling a map out.
[1:24:24 – 1:24:25] Erik: Yeah.
[1:24:25 – 1:24:26] Erik: A couple of months ago.
[1:24:26 – 1:24:26] Erik: Right.
[1:24:27 – 1:24:28] Erik: And I can just picture it.
[1:24:28 – 1:24:30] Erik: It’s just, it’s, I don’t know.
[1:24:30 – 1:24:31] Adam: I can still see the map.
[1:24:31 – 1:24:32] Erik: I could see it right now.
[1:24:32 – 1:24:32] Erik: Yeah.
[1:24:32 – 1:24:33] Erik: I could walk my way through it.
[1:24:33 – 1:24:34] Adam: We’re sitting in a screen porch.
[1:24:34 – 1:24:34] Adam: Yeah.
[1:24:34 – 1:24:35] Adam: There’s no maps around.
[1:24:36 – 1:24:37] Adam: So yeah.
[1:24:37 – 1:24:41] Adam: I can see Terry Lake and the Terry Rapids.
[1:24:41 – 1:25:04] Erik: terry rapids down yeah it’s it’s all there and i mean but then of course there are other aspects of our brains that are probably malnourished and just oh yeah wrinkled and not and unused like you know our emotions yeah our true feelings on things but hey i’ve got those banjoers memorized so yeah i can’t even tell my own puppy that i love it yeah
[1:25:06 – 1:25:08] Erik: I’m just kidding.
[1:25:08 – 1:25:12] Adam: You made me get really awkward by saying that word.
[1:25:13 – 1:25:18] Erik: So yeah, it’s mostly a, it’s very generalized, the prep for a trip.
[1:25:19 – 1:25:19] Adam: It is.
[1:25:20 – 1:25:29] Adam: Each trip is different, but generally if I’m going on a trip, I have all the maps I have of that area out, constantly looking at them in every spare moment before a trip.
[1:25:29 – 1:25:33] Adam: I try and saturate my brain with the map knowledge.
[1:25:33 – 1:25:41] Adam: And then also when we’re on a trip, at any given moment we have a chance to stop, I’m also pulling the map out just like I’m checking elevations.
[1:25:41 – 1:25:45] Adam: What’s the elevation between this box and the lake level?
[1:25:45 – 1:25:49] Adam: Or this lake level and the next lake level, are we going uphill or are we going downhill?
[1:25:49 – 1:25:50] Adam: Yeah.
[1:25:50 – 1:25:52] Adam: I love looking at that kind of stuff.
[1:25:52 – 1:25:54] Adam: Like, are we going uphill or downhill right now?
[1:25:54 – 1:25:55] Adam: On a chain of lakes?
[1:25:55 – 1:25:56] Erik: Yeah.
[1:25:56 – 1:26:01] Erik: Half the time, like, I’ll, like, bring a book out to read on a trip.
[1:26:01 – 1:26:02] Adam: Don’t look at the, yeah.
[1:26:02 – 1:26:09] Erik: And then, like, all of a sudden I’ll be, like, in the hammock for an hour and I’ll just be, like, I just was looking at the map for an hour.
[1:26:10 – 1:26:10] Adam: Yeah.
[1:26:10 – 1:26:11] Adam: Like, that’s amazing.
[1:26:11 – 1:26:15] Adam: That’s the best part of a trip is, like, you’ve looked at the map this whole time.
[1:26:15 – 1:26:19] Adam: And before a trip, you’re looking at a map for hours, hours and hours.
[1:26:20 – 1:26:21] Adam: And then you’re on the trip.
[1:26:22 – 1:26:27] Adam: All you want to do is sit there and enjoy the solitude and the nature, and you’re just sitting there looking at the map some more.
[1:26:28 – 1:26:35] Adam: But not absentmindedly, like you’re actually discovering new aspects and folds of the map you had not seen before.
[1:26:35 – 1:26:40] Erik: Well, you can put it really, you can actually put it into like, well, that’s what those lines look like.
[1:26:41 – 1:26:41] Erik: Yeah.
[1:26:42 – 1:26:43] Adam: Ah, that’s that hill.
[1:26:43 – 1:26:44] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[1:26:44 – 1:27:09] Adam: exactly yeah topo to real life yeah we’re really until you’re there to sit on it and look at it it’s it’s hard to translate that and even when you think you know what it’s going to look like when you finally are there it looks very different yeah that’s the always one of the most enjoyable parts of a trip for me yeah and we’re really blowing a lot of the map conversation here but i think it’s still part of the campsite discussion as well um
[1:27:09 – 1:27:20] Erik: So yeah, I think there is still a lot of excitement involved to just being able to find a site as you can find it.
[1:27:20 – 1:27:30] Erik: And that’s, I think, whether you like it or not, that might be what we finish with, at least in answering this question is,
[1:27:32 – 1:27:33] Erik: That’s really the only way you can do it.
[1:27:34 – 1:27:48] Erik: You can do months of research and have all of the campsites fully reviewed with schematics and Google map images.
[1:27:49 – 1:27:52] Erik: But when it comes time to being out in the park…
[1:27:53 – 1:27:57] Erik: It just depends on what’s open, what the weather’s doing, and where you’re at.
[1:27:57 – 1:28:02] Erik: So you’re just going to have to let it be.
[1:28:03 – 1:28:08] Erik: So I think we’ve done enough to answer the first question.
[1:28:10 – 1:28:15] Erik: I think the middle two aren’t necessarily going to…
[1:28:16 – 1:28:35] Erik: really bring much from either of us because i don’t think you’ve ever had to um struggle to find an open site or had to share one am i right no that’s right yeah true and neither have i i’ve never so i’ve never had to share one but on my first trip ever
[1:28:37 – 1:28:41] Adam: which is when you were talking earlier about the Rose Lake.
[1:28:41 – 1:28:41] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:28:41 – 1:28:45] Erik: That ended up having a camp in the Clearwater parking lot.
[1:28:45 – 1:28:47] Erik: My first trip was in August.
[1:28:47 – 1:28:58] Erik: Me and my friends were out in Rose Lake, and all the sites were full, and it was super nasty, blown out of the northwest, off and on misting, drizzling, raining, or whatever.
[1:28:59 – 1:29:04] Erik: And we just ended up paddling over to the north side of the lake and camping on one of those Canadian sites.
[1:29:05 – 1:29:06] Erik: That was like the worst we ever had it.
[1:29:08 – 1:29:09] Adam: Which is actually not that bad.
[1:29:10 – 1:29:11] Erik: No, they’re nice sites over there.
[1:29:11 – 1:29:12] Erik: They’re pretty good.
[1:29:12 – 1:29:12] Erik: Yeah.
[1:29:13 – 1:29:13] Adam: They have Wi-Fi.
[1:29:14 – 1:29:15] Erik: Yes, of course, Bob.
[1:29:16 – 1:29:17] Erik: And free health care.
[1:29:18 – 1:29:20] Adam: I had my appendix looked at.
[1:29:20 – 1:29:23] Adam: And they had a toilet seat screwed to a tree.
[1:29:23 – 1:29:24] Adam: It was pretty nice.
[1:29:25 – 1:29:26] Adam: Free poutine.
[1:29:26 – 1:29:28] Adam: All the free poutine you could eat.
[1:29:28 – 1:29:38] Erik: So we’ll finish here with the last question that I think everybody has pretty much put into as many words as we’re going to probably spend too much time answering.
[1:29:38 – 1:29:44] Erik: But do you think there is a better way the U.S. Forest Service could manage the campsites than first come, first served?
[1:29:49 – 1:29:49] Adam: I don’t think so.
[1:29:51 – 1:29:52] Adam: Yeah, they could just not manage them.
[1:29:54 – 1:29:55] Adam: Well, I mean…
[1:29:55 – 1:29:57] Adam: Complete mismanagement.
[1:29:58 – 1:30:00] Erik: Borderline unmanaged already.
[1:30:01 – 1:30:03] Erik: Just… First come, first serve.
[1:30:03 – 1:30:03] Erik: The only thing that…
[1:30:05 – 1:30:11] Erik: The struggle is the interconnectedness of other entry points.
[1:30:11 – 1:30:11] Erik: Yes.
[1:30:11 – 1:30:13] Adam: And how the proximity of them…
[1:30:14 – 1:30:19] Adam: I would love to say that you just like, oh, just do it Quetico style.
[1:30:19 – 1:30:21] Adam: There is no real campsites.
[1:30:21 – 1:30:24] Adam: The campsites will manifest themselves where they are.
[1:30:25 – 1:30:31] Adam: The best spots for campsites will be campsites and people will use them accordingly.
[1:30:32 – 1:30:36] Adam: But we have seen numerous occasions where this is not the case.
[1:30:37 – 1:30:43] Adam: There’s too much people, too many people in the boundary waters themselves.
[1:30:44 – 1:30:46] Adam: The Quetico just doesn’t see that kind of volume.
[1:30:46 – 1:30:48] Adam: They can get away with it.
[1:30:48 – 1:30:50] Erik: I don’t know if it’s a too many people thing.
[1:30:50 – 1:30:51] Erik: I think it’s just like a…
[1:30:52 – 1:30:55] Adam: You just let people do all their willy-nilly whatnot.
[1:30:55 – 1:31:01] Adam: There’s going to be toilet paper laying in the woods everywhere, and it’s going to be nasty.
[1:31:02 – 1:31:02] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:31:02 – 1:31:04] Adam: I think you have to leave it the way it is.
[1:31:05 – 1:31:13] Adam: If we were going to do anything, it would be the system we had talked about last season where maybe the entry point lakes or the one lake in lakes or…
[1:31:13 – 1:31:20] Adam: Yeah, you have a tier system, but even then, do you really trust the government to manage that kind of system effectively?
[1:31:20 – 1:31:21] Adam: I really don’t think so.
[1:31:21 – 1:31:36] Erik: Yeah, for me, it is definitely a, on one hand, I hate the feeling of having to be competitive over a campsite.
[1:31:36 – 1:31:37] Erik: Yeah.
[1:31:37 – 1:31:42] Erik: Which I think completely takes me out of where I am.
[1:31:45 – 1:31:48] Erik: and what I’m doing, and why I am in the Boundary Waters.
[1:31:50 – 1:31:52] Erik: And this has happened to me multiple times.
[1:31:52 – 1:31:53] Erik: It’s happened to me on Brule Lake.
[1:31:54 – 1:32:01] Erik: I paddled from one end to the other and basically had to just, we just, I got angry.
[1:32:01 – 1:32:02] Erik: I was like, well, we’re just leaving.
[1:32:02 – 1:32:08] Erik: So we paddled from Burnt all the way over to Bower Trout and just exited.
[1:32:08 – 1:32:10] Erik: Because we couldn’t find a campsite on Brule.
[1:32:13 – 1:32:15] Erik: It’s happened to me multiple times on Brule.
[1:32:16 – 1:32:20] Erik: And it happened to me just the other… About a month ago on a guided trip.
[1:32:21 – 1:32:28] Erik: Little did the other people that were paddling towards that campsite know I already had a campsite.
[1:32:29 – 1:32:35] Erik: But I was paddling upwind on Pine Lake back to the campsite we already had set up.
[1:32:35 – 1:32:38] Erik: And this other group, you could tell, didn’t have a campsite.
[1:32:39 – 1:32:42] Erik: And they were paddling towards this campsite that was empty.
[1:32:42 – 1:32:46] Erik: And we just happened to be, we were on the North Shore just kind of by it.
[1:32:46 – 1:33:09] Erik: but they could you could tell they thought we were going for it and you could also see them like they were just like digging in they they were paddling so hard that they didn’t even it was one of those campsites on pine that has like the gradual like rock shelf leading up to the site yeah they just paddled so hard they didn’t even like slow down they just like skidded up onto the rocks and jumped out without fair canoes sure
[1:33:09 – 1:33:10] Erik: And claim this site.
[1:33:11 – 1:33:13] Erik: This is our land.
[1:33:14 – 1:33:14] Erik: Yeah.
[1:33:14 – 1:33:29] Erik: I mean, on the alternative, I don’t want the U.S. Forest Service or the government getting involved in any more ways that would probably just lead to failure, considering some of the changes I’ve seen them try to implement and how that has gone.
[1:33:31 – 1:33:31] Erik: I get it.
[1:33:32 – 1:33:35] Erik: I’m definitely not for reservations or…
[1:33:36 – 1:33:38] Erik: More management at all.
[1:33:38 – 1:33:49] Erik: But there is a part of me that gets a little depressed, stressed and taken out of where I am.
[1:33:50 – 1:33:54] Erik: When you have to worry about finding a place to sleep for the night and when you’re.
[1:33:56 – 1:34:13] Erik: battling quote unquote uh competing for an open site like that’s that’s also kind of like yeah can you can you imagine having to like you’re at your wits end it’s getting dark and you have to ask somebody to like hey
[1:34:13 – 1:34:15] Adam: can we, can we share this campsite with you?
[1:34:15 – 1:34:16] Erik: And that too.
[1:34:16 – 1:34:23] Adam: I can’t imagine having to even do that, but I’m sure it’s at some point you paddle enough and encamp it off.
[1:34:23 – 1:34:24] Adam: It’s going to happen.
[1:34:24 – 1:34:24] Adam: Maybe.
[1:34:24 – 1:34:25] Erik: Yeah.
[1:34:25 – 1:34:36] Erik: And I mean, and I don’t know, it’s not to disparage or dismiss the thoughts and opinions of the people on Reddit, um, that we’ve read over the course of this, this episode.
[1:34:37 – 1:34:37] Erik: Um,
[1:34:38 – 1:34:53] Erik: But I feel like they are at a little bit of a higher level on Boundary Waters travel, etiquette, practices, preparedness.
[1:34:53 – 1:34:53] Erik: Yeah.
[1:34:54 – 1:35:19] Erik: And it’s not to say that that shouldn’t mean that that’s not worth anything, but for first-timers, families, people who just are kind of getting into the Boundary Waters game, it can really be a real momentum squasher to get out there and just be like, yeah, all the campsites were taken, and every time we saw an open one, there was another group of people just burning down to get it.
[1:35:19 – 1:35:23] Erik: I think it defeats the purpose of being out in the Boundary Waters to have to feel like you’re
[1:35:25 – 1:35:28] Erik: chasing the one last campsite on the lake.
[1:35:29 – 1:35:42] Erik: So I agree with most of what everybody says, but I think there might be a place for some reservable campsites for people who… First-timers.
[1:35:42 – 1:35:43] Erik: First-timers.
[1:35:43 – 1:35:45] Adam: We’ve talked about this before, yeah.
[1:35:45 – 1:35:47] Erik: Like Snowbank, Clearwater.
[1:35:47 – 1:35:48] Erik: Yeah, the Big Lakes.
[1:35:48 – 1:35:50] Erik: A couple of sites out on Basswood, even a few on Sag.
[1:35:50 – 1:35:51] Adam: Sag, Seagull.
[1:35:52 – 1:35:53] Erik: Brule?
[1:35:53 – 1:35:54] Erik: Yeah, Brule even.
[1:35:54 – 1:35:56] Erik: Because Brule is a mess sometimes.
[1:35:56 – 1:35:57] Erik: It’s a 100 level.
[1:35:58 – 1:35:58] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[1:35:59 – 1:36:02] Adam: Let’s let some people just like, all right, we have the peace of mind.
[1:36:02 – 1:36:04] Adam: We got a big group, especially with the younger people.
[1:36:05 – 1:36:06] Adam: Maybe less paddling then.
[1:36:07 – 1:36:08] Adam: Just having a guarantee.
[1:36:09 – 1:36:09] Adam: Sure.
[1:36:10 – 1:36:10] Erik: Yeah.
[1:36:10 – 1:36:12] Erik: No, I mean, and I get it.
[1:36:12 – 1:36:18] Erik: It’s what makes the Boundary Waters what it is, to have that first come, first serve thing.
[1:36:18 – 1:36:36] Erik: But even my, speaking personally, like I’ve probably said this like three times already now, and I’m just saying it again, but it sucks to have to like have the sun start setting on you and all the campsites are taken.
[1:36:37 – 1:36:45] Erik: You’ve been promised to a certain extent that the quota system for how the permits work is going to guarantee you a campsite.
[1:36:49 – 1:36:55] Erik: Ostensibly, the reason the quota system exists is that you can go out and find a campsite.
[1:36:55 – 1:36:57] Erik: And so when that doesn’t happen…
[1:36:58 – 1:37:08] Erik: It really sucks and it probably turns people away, especially first timers who’d be like, okay, so I got this entry permit and I went out and I paddled around and didn’t find a campsite.
[1:37:09 – 1:37:11] Erik: Why would I want to screw around with this dumb park again?
[1:37:11 – 1:37:12] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[1:37:12 – 1:37:12] Erik: So…
[1:37:13 – 1:37:21] Adam: That all said, and it certainly does happen, but that all said, it’s never happened to me in my entire life.
[1:37:21 – 1:37:23] Adam: Yeah.
[1:37:24 – 1:37:26] Adam: I’m not saying it didn’t happen.
[1:37:26 – 1:37:32] Adam: These people’s experiences are valid, and that’s something that should be considered.
[1:37:33 – 1:37:34] Adam: But I paddled a lot.
[1:37:34 – 1:37:35] Adam: I’ve never had a problem.
[1:37:36 – 1:37:38] Adam: It’s not a huge problem.
[1:37:38 – 1:37:46] Adam: And I think overall, anybody who’s traveled a lot in the Boundary Waters will find that you never really have to work that hard to find a site.
[1:37:47 – 1:37:47] Erik: Generally.
[1:37:47 – 1:37:51] Erik: And that’s the main issue is it’s probably a two-week period right about now.
[1:37:52 – 1:37:52] Erik: Yeah.
[1:37:53 – 1:37:56] Adam: I think it’s a lot of people in the comments were like, yeah, just don’t go in August.
[1:37:56 – 1:37:57] Adam: Just don’t go in August.
[1:37:57 – 1:38:00] Adam: Yeah, which we’ve said numerous times on this podcast.
[1:38:00 – 1:38:02] Adam: Just avoid August if you can.
[1:38:02 – 1:38:02] Adam: Yeah.
[1:38:02 – 1:38:04] Adam: Or do PMAs or something.
[1:38:04 – 1:38:04] Adam: Yeah.
[1:38:04 – 1:38:05] Erik: Yeah, do PMAs.
[1:38:05 – 1:38:06] Erik: We talked about those.
[1:38:06 – 1:38:10] Adam: Don’t go for the big lakes in August because you’re going to be facing a lot of competition.
[1:38:10 – 1:38:11] Adam: That’s just common sense.
[1:38:12 – 1:38:12] Adam: Yeah.
[1:38:12 – 1:38:14] Erik: I’m just throwing out there a devil’s advocate.
[1:38:14 – 1:38:15] Erik: There could be maybe a few ways.
[1:38:15 – 1:38:20] Erik: But at the same time, yeah, then your counterargument would be just go camp by State Park.
[1:38:20 – 1:38:43] Adam: exactly like that’s the whole thing like a lot of people said it like if you’re planning to that degree it’s good to have a little like background research but like if you’re planning it out like i gotta be at this site i gotta be at that site and i gotta be at that site like then you’re not really living the wildlife right right be wild and free yeah get out there take a d minus site if you have to sorry there’s another one eric
[1:38:44 – 1:38:46] Adam: If you have to, take a D- site.
[1:38:46 – 1:38:51] Adam: It’s not that bad because then the memories you make in that D- site make it a C+, at least.
[1:38:51 – 1:38:53] Adam: Maybe even a B-.
[1:38:53 – 1:38:55] Adam: Who knows?
[1:38:56 – 1:38:57] Adam: I was just throwing the devil’s advocate out there.
[1:38:57 – 1:38:58] Adam: I know you were, man.
[1:38:58 – 1:38:59] Adam: I know you were.
[1:38:59 – 1:39:05] Erik: The point of the show is just being like, hey, yeah, we all agree, and this is perfect the way it exists.
[1:39:05 – 1:39:07] Adam: We don’t want to be a bunch of Jerrys here, man.
[1:39:09 – 1:39:28] Adam: I know right I know right yeah so but yeah I mean I love the adventure aspect of it everybody who comes up here loves that I think that all of the responses sometimes you do want to look at they’re like hey it’s a last minute trip or it’s like I’m going I’m going to have to go out late that day I want to look what am I looking at yeah
[1:39:29 – 1:39:31] Adam: No amount of research is ever going to hurt you.
[1:39:31 – 1:39:32] Erik: No amount of research is ever going to hurt you.
[1:39:32 – 1:39:34] Adam: I’m like, what else are you going to do with that time?
[1:39:34 – 1:39:42] Adam: You’re going to cruise Reddit and leave comments on a thread about good campsites?
[1:39:43 – 1:39:48] Erik: Yeah, no, it’s one of those things that I think… You’re going to play fantasy football?
[1:39:48 – 1:39:49] Adam: What a waste of time.
[1:39:50 – 1:39:50] Erik: It’s up there.
[1:39:53 – 1:39:54] Adam: But it’s fun.
[1:39:54 – 1:39:55] Adam: That’s the thing.
[1:39:55 – 1:39:57] Adam: It’s a waste of time, but it’s fun to look at these things.
[1:39:58 – 1:40:01] Adam: It’s a good waste of time because it’s engaging.
[1:40:01 – 1:40:02] Adam: It gets your mind active.
[1:40:03 – 1:40:04] Adam: It gets you ready for that trip.
[1:40:05 – 1:40:06] Adam: It gets you amped.
[1:40:06 – 1:40:09] Erik: I think maybe this was one of the nice sites that I kind of looked at.
[1:40:09 – 1:40:10] Erik: Maybe it was.
[1:40:10 – 1:40:11] Erik: But I don’t know.
[1:40:11 – 1:40:11] Erik: I don’t remember.
[1:40:11 – 1:40:12] Erik: Let’s check it out.
[1:40:12 – 1:40:14] Erik: Like just little things like that.
[1:40:14 – 1:40:19] Erik: It’s like it’s all going to happen the way it happens once you get out there.
[1:40:20 – 1:40:26] Erik: Any little bit of pre-research that you can do is totally fun and go for it and do it.
[1:40:26 – 1:40:29] Erik: But honestly, once you’re out there, it probably doesn’t really matter.
[1:40:30 – 1:40:32] Erik: Most times it does not matter.
[1:40:32 – 1:40:39] Erik: Because I can’t, half the time when I’m out, more than half the time, I’m like, I don’t remember which was the good one that I remember reading about.
[1:40:39 – 1:40:42] Adam: Unless it’s like, oh, there’s that one island site for sure.
[1:40:42 – 1:40:44] Erik: I don’t like go through and mark my maps.
[1:40:44 – 1:40:49] Erik: So I just, I’m like, well, this one, that one looks nice from a distance.
[1:40:49 – 1:40:51] Erik: Let’s go check that one out.
[1:40:52 – 1:41:17] Erik: The other thing that is just kind of a super peripheral to this conversation is on the way in to this last guided trip I was doing, it was the second or third portage in, and I was just loading up the second pack to go across the portage, and this guy who was heading out of the park was like, where are you guys heading?
[1:41:18 – 1:41:22] Erik: And I was like, I don’t know, we’ll probably start looking for a campsite on Long Island.
[1:41:22 – 1:41:25] Erik: He’s like, oh, there’s a bunch of nice campsites open down there.
[1:41:25 – 1:41:29] Erik: There’s a really cool one just south of the island with the two sites on it.
[1:41:29 – 1:41:30] Erik: Yeah.
[1:41:30 – 1:41:33] Erik: And I was like, oh, yeah, the one over here.
[1:41:33 – 1:41:34] Erik: He’s like, no, this one over here.
[1:41:34 – 1:41:37] Erik: Like, we didn’t get to camp on it because it was occupied.
[1:41:37 – 1:41:39] Erik: But when we paddled out today, it was open.
[1:41:39 – 1:41:41] Adam: I love that, the old recon.
[1:41:41 – 1:41:42] Adam: Yeah, so I was like, what the hell is this?
[1:41:43 – 1:41:43] Adam: A little portage recon.
[1:41:44 – 1:41:45] Adam: Free recon.
[1:41:45 – 1:41:45] Adam: Yes.
[1:41:46 – 1:41:47] Erik: That happens a lot, actually.
[1:41:47 – 1:41:48] Erik: I’m glad this came up.
[1:41:48 – 1:41:50] Erik: Yeah, and that’s where we ended up camping.
[1:41:50 – 1:41:50] Erik: Yes.
[1:41:50 – 1:41:52] Erik: And it was an amazing campsite.
[1:41:52 – 1:41:54] Adam: It happened to me and Brother Andrew.
[1:41:54 – 1:41:58] Adam: We’re coming out, and everything on Caribou is taken, and we ran into some people.
[1:41:58 – 1:42:00] Adam: They’re like, actually, we just left from Little Caribou.
[1:42:01 – 1:42:01] Erik: It’s open.
[1:42:02 – 1:42:03] Erik: We got in there and got it.
[1:42:03 – 1:42:04] Erik: It was like, whew.
[1:42:04 – 1:42:06] Adam: That’s how you get the good sight sometimes.
[1:42:06 – 1:42:08] Adam: It’s a little, like, help from your friends.
[1:42:08 – 1:42:09] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[1:42:09 – 1:42:10] Erik: I love that.
[1:42:10 – 1:42:11] Erik: No, it was great.
[1:42:11 – 1:42:14] Erik: It was, like, and I just took that with me for the rest of the day.
[1:42:14 – 1:42:16] Erik: It wasn’t, like, a for sure thing.
[1:42:16 – 1:42:17] Erik: It wasn’t guaranteed.
[1:42:17 – 1:42:18] Adam: Yeah, you just stowed away.
[1:42:18 – 1:42:20] Erik: I was, like, now I know that there’s a nice sight.
[1:42:21 – 1:42:27] Erik: That’s just part of the fun and uniqueness of a Boundary Waters trip.
[1:42:28 – 1:42:33] Erik: That, you know, every time I’m out there, it’s just…
[1:42:34 – 1:42:35] Erik: I just love it more and more.
[1:42:35 – 1:42:36] Erik: It’s crazy.
[1:42:36 – 1:42:42] Erik: The last few trips I’ve been out guiding and just, I don’t know, just sitting.
[1:42:44 – 1:43:00] Erik: I’m contemplating, cannot believe that I get to spend the number of nights that I do in the woods out there and living vicariously through some of the people that I get to show and share my experience with.
[1:43:00 – 1:43:01] Erik: It’s amazing.
[1:43:01 – 1:43:02] Erik: I can’t believe that I get to do it.
[1:43:03 – 1:43:05] Adam: Yeah, it’s the campsites you get to find.
[1:43:05 – 1:43:07] Adam: It’s the people you get to meet on the way.
[1:43:07 – 1:43:10] Erik: Yeah, and the ones that you get to spend a night at the campsite with.
[1:43:10 – 1:43:11] Adam: For sure.
[1:43:11 – 1:43:11] Adam: Yeah.
[1:43:12 – 1:43:13] Adam: It’s the real labunga way.
[1:43:14 – 1:43:16] Erik: The real labunga way.
[1:43:16 – 1:43:17] Erik: Boy, oh boy.
[1:43:17 – 1:43:18] Erik: I think, I don’t know.
[1:43:18 – 1:43:20] Erik: I don’t think we can ramble anymore.
[1:43:20 – 1:43:25] Erik: Even if there was a third dragon’s milk involved, we’d probably don’t have anything else to say.
[1:43:27 – 1:43:33] Adam: Well, for Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast, this has been my good friend Labanga.
[1:43:34 – 1:43:35] Adam: Or is it Labanga?
[1:43:35 – 1:43:37] Adam: It’s Labanga, but I thought you were Labanga.
[1:43:38 – 1:43:39] Adam: No, you’re Labanga.
[1:43:39 – 1:43:43] Adam: I’m Francois Le Castor.
[1:43:45 – 1:43:50] Adam: For Boundary Waters, this has been Labanga and Le Castor.
[1:43:50 – 1:43:51] Adam: For Boundary Waters.
[1:43:52 – 1:43:53] Adam: The Boundary Waters podcast.
[1:43:55 – 1:43:55] Adam: And…
[1:43:57 – 1:44:00] Adam: Thank you for the dragon’s milk also, Evan.
[1:44:00 – 1:44:03] Adam: That was a really good addition to this episode.
[1:44:03 – 1:44:09] Erik: I think Evan may be the most successful at getting us most noticeably affected by the sponsorship.
[1:44:10 – 1:44:10] Adam: MVP.
[1:44:11 – 1:44:11] Adam: MVP.
[1:44:12 – 1:44:14] Adam: MVP of the season for Evan.
[1:44:14 – 1:44:15] Erik: Most MVB.
[1:44:16 – 1:44:17] Adam: Most valuable.
[1:44:19 – 1:44:19] Adam: Beer.
[1:44:20 – 1:44:20] UNKNOWN: Wow.
[1:44:22 – 1:44:23] Adam: All right.
[1:44:23 – 1:44:24] Adam: Cue that music, friend.
[1:44:24 – 1:44:25] Adam: We got to get out.
[1:44:25 – 1:44:26] Adam: Is there music?
[1:44:26 – 1:44:27] Adam: Yeah, there will be.
[1:44:27 – 1:44:27] Adam: Don’t worry.
[1:44:28 – 1:44:28] Adam: It’s cute.
[1:44:28 – 1:44:30] Adam: I’m probably playing already.
[1:44:36 – 1:44:39] Adam: So many loons on the drops.
[1:44:40 – 1:44:43] Adam: I’ve got to get this loon drop machine.
[1:44:43 – 1:44:44] Adam: I’ve got an old iPad 1.
[1:44:46 – 1:44:48] Adam: Get some western music with the loons.
[1:44:49 – 1:44:51] Adam: Some Ennio Morricone.
[1:44:52 – 1:44:52] Adam: First time.
[1:44:52 – 1:45:03] Erik: It’s not western at all.
[1:45:03 – 1:45:05] Adam: It’s a western Irish song?
[1:45:10 – 1:45:11] Erik: Oh, dear.
[1:45:11 – 1:45:14] Erik: Man, that show’s really gone off the rails.
[1:45:14 – 1:45:15] Adam: What a show.
[1:45:15 – 1:45:16] Adam: What a show.
[1:45:16 – 1:45:20] Adam: All right, good night, folks.
[1:45:39 – 1:46:06] Adam: All along the banks of the Royal Canal Ah, the screw was people And the lag lay sleeping Dreaming about his good soul And that old triangle Went jingle jangle All along the banks of the