068: Maps! I

Episode Transcript

[0:00:34 – 0:00:38] Adam: Welcome to Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[0:00:39 – 0:00:45] Adam: My name is Adam and joining me here in the studio, Kay, is my good pal, Eric.
[0:00:45 – 0:00:45] Adam: Hello, Eric.
[0:00:46 – 0:00:46] Adam: Hello.
[0:00:46 – 0:00:47] Adam: How are you?
[0:00:48 – 0:00:49] Adam: I’m feeling pretty good.
[0:00:49 – 0:00:50] Adam: That’s good.
[0:00:51 – 0:00:52] Adam: I’ve been kind of lazing around all day.
[0:00:52 – 0:00:56] Adam: Haven’t really gotten much done, but we’re about to get some stuff done.
[0:00:56 – 0:00:57] Adam: We’re getting work done now.
[0:00:57 – 0:00:58] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:00:58 – 0:00:58] Adam: Yeah.
[0:00:59 – 0:01:03] Adam: Tumble Home is, of course, sponsored by our friends on Patreon.
[0:01:03 – 0:01:07] Adam: Thank you very much for your contribution making this happen.
[0:01:08 – 0:01:12] Adam: And this week, what do you got?
[0:01:12 – 0:01:15] Adam: I have no idea what the beer of the week is.
[0:01:15 – 0:01:17] Erik: The beer sponsorship of the week.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:21] Erik: I know we have the whole refrigerator thing.
[0:01:23 – 0:01:33] Erik: filled with beers from our beautiful friends and listeners, but Tori is getting sick of looking at this beer in our refrigerator.
[0:01:34 – 0:01:36] Erik: You’ll remember it when I pull it out.
[0:01:36 – 0:01:37] Adam: And I figured… Yeah!
[0:01:37 – 0:01:38] Adam: It’s time.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:42] Erik: Since there’s video, we have to pull this out and get it over with.
[0:01:42 – 0:01:43] Erik: So we’re just…
[0:01:43 – 0:01:49] Erik: I should have said you should grab a couple of glasses, but I figured we’d just pass it back and forth because it’s just the one can.
[0:01:49 – 0:01:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:01:49 – 0:01:50] Adam: That sounds good to me.
[0:01:51 – 0:02:11] Erik: wow this is a real throwback this is from way back in the springtime we acquired this beauty if you’re looking at the video you can see this beautiful can art this is from oliphant brewing it’s last year’s talent imperial stout oh man let me get a look at this thing coffee almond
[0:02:13 – 0:02:14] Adam: And wait for it.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:16] Adam: Cacao nibs.
[0:02:16 – 0:02:17] Adam: Cacao nibs.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:19] Adam: I didn’t realize it was a stout.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:22] Adam: Honestly, I just remember the picture so vividly.
[0:02:22 – 0:02:23] Erik: Yeah.
[0:02:23 – 0:02:23] Erik: We get this.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:28] Adam: We got that when we’re in cities for Midwest mountaineering way back in the day.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:29] Adam: Was that April?
[0:02:30 – 0:02:32] Erik: Yeah, I think it was late April.
[0:02:33 – 0:02:37] Adam: Yeah, we were shopping after the show.
[0:02:37 – 0:02:40] Erik: All over the soundboard.
[0:02:41 – 0:02:44] Adam: Yes, it’s a very disturbing image.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:46] Adam: We bought it for the image.
[0:02:46 – 0:02:47] Adam: We did.
[0:02:47 – 0:02:49] Adam: I mean, we tried a couple of their other beers, too.
[0:02:49 – 0:02:52] Adam: We had the Top Gun-themed Maverick.
[0:02:53 – 0:02:54] Adam: What was the Maverick?
[0:02:54 – 0:02:55] Adam: It was a…
[0:02:55 – 0:02:56] Erik: It was a Goza.
[0:02:56 – 0:02:57] Erik: Goza.
[0:02:57 – 0:03:00] Erik: We were very promptly put in our place in how we were pronouncing that.
[0:03:00 – 0:03:01] Erik: We were just saying Goza.
[0:03:01 – 0:03:02] Erik: We don’t want to mess that up.
[0:03:02 – 0:03:03] Erik: You have to pronounce the E in that.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:04] Erik: Goza.
[0:03:06 – 0:03:06] Erik: Yep.
[0:03:07 – 0:03:09] Adam: I don’t know if I’m… Cacao nibs.
[0:03:09 – 0:03:11] Adam: I’ve detected the nibs.
[0:03:11 – 0:03:12] Adam: My mouth is full of nibs.
[0:03:13 – 0:03:18] Adam: So, yeah, we saw this grotesque beer can.
[0:03:18 – 0:03:22] Adam: It’s a jumbo tall boy, wide boy can, too, which is the…
[0:03:22 – 0:03:22] Adam: It’s a thick silo.
[0:03:22 – 0:03:23] Adam: This should be the standard.
[0:03:23 – 0:03:26] Adam: And then, like, the label is, like, just, like, handwritten.
[0:03:26 – 0:03:27] Adam: Like, it’s part of batch 80.
[0:03:28 – 0:03:53] Adam: yeah something anyhow we had a whole bunch of these we picked out a couple and then we saw this one and i put a picture of it or i sent a picture of it just to a few people just in my excitement and people thought it was like a picture yeah and then people were like is that you and eric with some sort of horse face filter i go yeah it is i’m the one wearing the green turtleneck obviously and eric’s the eric’s the big brother i guess
[0:03:54 – 0:04:05] Erik: I think we ended up talking to the guy at the liquor store, and he was talking about how it’s basically like a really horrible rendition of like a child, like a picture from when they were kids.
[0:04:05 – 0:04:06] Erik: Yeah, like people that brew.
[0:04:06 – 0:04:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:04:07 – 0:04:07] Erik: I love it.
[0:04:07 – 0:04:10] Erik: And then some artist took it and just distorted the heck out of it.
[0:04:10 – 0:04:11] Erik: Super wide nostrils.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:14] Adam: Yeah, I think it’s a real horse face.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:15] Erik: That’s great.
[0:04:15 – 0:04:16] Erik: It’s good.
[0:04:16 – 0:04:17] Adam: It is really good.
[0:04:17 – 0:04:22] Adam: But yeah, we bought it for the can, but I knew just based on the other beers we’ve had by them,
[0:04:22 – 0:04:49] Adam: that i would really enjoy this even though like i’ve said i’m not much of a stout drinker but when i do i get the real serious stouts with the nibs yeah the last what we last episode had the uh dragon’s milk stout which uh yeah yeah a couple of them a couple of those absolute best value boys really got that was great really got us valued that night so uh
[0:04:49 – 0:04:54] Adam: Yeah, coming up tonight, this is going to be – we’re pulling a doubler.
[0:04:54 – 0:05:02] Adam: We’re going two-parter this week and next week all on maps is our main target and topic.
[0:05:02 – 0:05:10] Adam: So we have a lot to say on maps, and then I think a lot of our friends on the internet have also got things to say about the maps.
[0:05:10 – 0:05:13] Erik: I think it’s our most responded to question on RBWCA.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:14] Erik: I didn’t even throw it up on Facebook.
[0:05:15 – 0:05:17] Erik: Probably because it’s just a really easy one.
[0:05:17 – 0:05:18] Erik: You could just say, this is what I use, and then –
[0:05:19 – 0:05:27] Adam: Yeah, you wouldn’t expect the answers to be very long, but I guarantee we’re going to talk over an hour on maps just before we even get to the… That’s why we just got to make this a two-parter.
[0:05:27 – 0:05:29] Adam: It’s too big of a topic.
[0:05:30 – 0:05:43] Adam: And if you’re joining us on YouTube or if you’re listening in audio form and you wanted to try listening to an episode on YouTube, this might be a good one because we’re going to be… For one, we’re on Studio K, so we have the big map wall right here.
[0:05:44 – 0:06:05] Adam: uh this is the fine and the full record of our paddling over the last decade now yeah uh since we’ve known each other i think every trip we’ve done is up here in some form with color-coded markers based on the year so right we’ve got that going on you uh we’re going to be pulling out i got a whole stack of maps here eric’s got a stack of maps and uh
[0:06:06 – 0:06:08] Adam: Yeah, just going through everything about maps.
[0:06:08 – 0:06:14] Erik: The only that, I mean, I think we’ve got just about all of the maps that you could possibly use specifically in the Banjo Waters.
[0:06:14 – 0:06:18] Erik: And then even more, like I see a superior hiking trail map.
[0:06:19 – 0:06:20] Erik: Like, yeah, it’s going to be good.
[0:06:20 – 0:06:29] Erik: But yeah, I think the other one that would be like along the same lines is like, well, how would I want to listen to two guys sitting in a studio talking?
[0:06:29 – 0:06:33] Erik: Yeah, I think most of the time, probably not for me either.
[0:06:33 – 0:06:34] Erik: Yes.
[0:06:34 – 0:06:36] Erik: But a map one seems like it makes sense to have video.
[0:06:36 – 0:06:41] Erik: And then, like, obviously the In the Bag episode was like a visual episode as well.
[0:06:41 – 0:06:41] Erik: Sure.
[0:06:42 – 0:06:45] Adam: I have yet to actually watch one of our full episodes on YouTube.
[0:06:45 – 0:06:46] Adam: You’ve lived it.
[0:06:47 – 0:06:50] Adam: No, I think with this one, I’m going to hold out for the video.
[0:06:50 – 0:06:52] Adam: I’m going to not listen to the audio.
[0:06:53 – 0:06:54] Adam: I will still download it, of course.
[0:06:55 – 0:06:55] Adam: Yes.
[0:06:55 – 0:06:56] Adam: Got to get those stats, baby.
[0:06:56 – 0:06:57] Erik: Got to get those numbers up.
[0:06:57 – 0:06:58] Adam: Got to get those numbers up.
[0:06:58 – 0:07:00] Adam: Every download counts.
[0:07:00 – 0:07:01] Adam: That’s a reminder.
[0:07:01 – 0:07:04] Adam: And again, once again, shout out to all our friends on Patreon.
[0:07:04 – 0:07:05] Erik: We love you very much.
[0:07:05 – 0:07:07] Erik: We love you.
[0:07:07 – 0:07:08] Erik: Yeah, we were just…
[0:07:08 – 0:07:11] Adam: Yeah, we got to talk about Boaty McBoatface and the boat party.
[0:07:11 – 0:07:13] Adam: We missed a friend.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:14] Adam: You showed me around.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:19] Adam: You showed me the beer fridge up at Clearwater.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:22] Adam: Natalie and I came up, and we had a lovely day of boating and picnicking.
[0:07:22 – 0:07:30] Erik: Yeah, the beer fridge in the food room at Outfitting is like the scene from Pulp Fiction when they open up the trunk.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:31] Erik: It is.
[0:07:31 – 0:07:32] Adam: It’s just glowing gold.
[0:07:33 – 0:07:33] Adam: Huh?
[0:07:34 – 0:08:01] Adam: yeah it’s a beautiful thing i i mean you’ve been telling me like we’re getting all these beer donations which is uh amazing and um yeah you actually see it though like that it’s you’ve got quite the collection there it is amazing so it was a nice day to be up i i’ve been up now all summer i hadn’t swam in clearwater and then all of a sudden twice in the last week i’ve been uh had the pleasure of swimming in the beautiful waters of clearwater lake
[0:08:01 – 0:08:03] Erik: Yeah, we had the John boat out yesterday.
[0:08:03 – 0:08:05] Erik: The whole gang was up.
[0:08:05 – 0:08:11] Erik: You, Natalie, Tori, we were out on the water, missed out on a beer drop.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:13] Erik: It’s the funniest thing.
[0:08:13 – 0:08:15] Erik: I miss out on a lot of the beer drops.
[0:08:15 – 0:08:16] Erik: I just show back up and it’s like,
[0:08:16 – 0:08:17] Erik: Well, here’s some beer.
[0:08:17 – 0:08:25] Adam: When we got up there and you’re like, oh, the folks in Cabin 6 just made a donation to the show.
[0:08:25 – 0:08:29] Adam: And it was like we immediately popped one of those open just to try.
[0:08:29 – 0:08:34] Adam: But we’ll get the proper shout out on the show that that beer is sponsored of.
[0:08:35 – 0:08:38] Adam: But then we were able to, when we were cruising out of the marina…
[0:08:39 – 0:09:03] Adam: in the john boat they were out on their dock so we kind of like buzzed their dock and gave a gave a you know a little hello and uh so just some well wishes thank you very much so yeah it’s always neat to uh meet people who listen to the show our neighbor was just over talking about uh you know she was listening to a couple episodes and made a couple nice comments and she gave us a recommendation for an idea
[0:09:03 – 0:09:04] Adam: For a show.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:12] Adam: And so, yeah, I think we’re going to probably also get to a bonus episode on just like some brainstorming session for the second half of the season.
[0:09:12 – 0:09:19] Adam: We’re kind of in the heart of the season right now, but kind of planning out our fall schedule and kind of show ideas and topics we want to get to.
[0:09:19 – 0:09:23] Adam: So that may end up being a bonus episode for the friends on Patreon.
[0:09:23 – 0:09:27] Erik: Yeah, if they are interested in listening to the real…
[0:09:28 – 0:09:31] Erik: How the sausage gets made conversation.
[0:09:31 – 0:09:33] Adam: That’s even better than the committee coverage.
[0:09:33 – 0:09:33] Adam: Yeah.
[0:09:33 – 0:09:35] Adam: That’s just not even committee.
[0:09:35 – 0:09:36] Adam: That’s just brainstorming.
[0:09:36 – 0:09:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:09:36 – 0:09:37] Adam: Raw.
[0:09:37 – 0:09:39] Adam: Raw brainstorming.
[0:09:39 – 0:09:40] Adam: Raw brainstorming.
[0:09:41 – 0:09:43] Erik: Yeah, we got to get some in the bank.
[0:09:43 – 0:09:49] Erik: I’m going to be gone for a month, so we’re going to really test out the limits on the scheduling of podcasts.
[0:09:51 – 0:09:53] Erik: Yeah, you’re allowed to take vacation.
[0:09:53 – 0:09:54] Adam: Okay, thanks for that.
[0:09:54 – 0:09:58] Adam: So yeah, we do record ahead sometimes, you know.
[0:09:58 – 0:09:58] Adam: No.
[0:09:58 – 0:10:01] Adam: It’s hard to always record live on Sunday.
[0:10:01 – 0:10:02] Erik: Yeah, that’s tough.
[0:10:02 – 0:10:04] Adam: We should just do a live one in like season four.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:06] Adam: We’ll have a live episode.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:07] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:10:07 – 0:10:08] Adam: Just… Be fun.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:11] Erik: Just record it Sunday morning and then just press publish.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:13] Erik: No editing.
[0:10:13 – 0:10:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:10:14 – 0:10:21] Adam: Also, for anybody watching the video, if you’re on the pregame show with us, I was showing off a nice piece of jasper I found when we were swimming in Clearwater.
[0:10:21 – 0:10:23] Adam: There were some crazy rocks out there.
[0:10:23 – 0:10:26] Adam: Yeah, we came into a vein of beautiful jasper, which is a type of agate.
[0:10:26 – 0:10:28] Erik: You need to put that right in front.
[0:10:28 – 0:10:28] Erik: That’s super wide.
[0:10:28 – 0:10:30] Adam: Yeah, I’ll get it way up by the camera here, folks.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:32] Adam: Look at that.
[0:10:32 – 0:10:32] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:10:32 – 0:10:34] Adam: Hopefully the light’s picking up the rippling effect.
[0:10:34 – 0:10:36] Adam: This is one of my favorites that we found.
[0:10:36 – 0:10:37] Adam: I found a couple like this, though.
[0:10:37 – 0:10:38] Adam: Really nice.
[0:10:38 – 0:10:39] Adam: Yeah, tons of… Red jasper.
[0:10:40 – 0:11:00] Adam: jasper chunks with like quartz veins kind of moving through them almost borderline like agate material well jasper is a type of agate yeah i looked up wikipedia on that one wiki i went on the wiki where’s the geologist wife when you need her we’ll have to relay that question over her way but i believe i’m right on that one yeah so
[0:11:00 – 0:11:22] Adam: one piece of i got a couple yeah i got a couple small things before we really delve into the maps all right well uh do you want to do your small things before we reopen the investigation into the uh planes yeah let me get to this i have one small thing i just wanted to mention that is uh we’ll keep this very brief and uh we had our fantasy football draft eric’s no longer in the league
[0:11:23 – 0:11:24] Adam: He doesn’t really care for football.
[0:11:24 – 0:11:26] Adam: We do have a fantasy hockey draft coming up.
[0:11:26 – 0:11:30] Adam: I think we’ll spend maybe more than one minute on that when we get to late September.
[0:11:31 – 0:11:33] Adam: But we had the live draft, and I was very happy.
[0:11:33 – 0:11:35] Adam: I picked up Nick Chubb.
[0:11:35 – 0:11:36] Adam: Nick Chubb.
[0:11:36 – 0:11:38] Adam: So anyway, that’s my hot tip.
[0:11:38 – 0:11:39] Adam: Don’t be afraid to take…
[0:11:39 – 0:11:42] Adam: I was in the back end of the first round, and I just took Nick Chubb.
[0:11:43 – 0:11:45] Adam: He is going to be really good.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:46] Adam: Watch some of his tape from last year.
[0:11:46 – 0:11:47] Adam: This is his second year in the league.
[0:11:48 – 0:11:50] Adam: The Browns are going to be good, and…
[0:11:51 – 0:12:15] Adam: nick chubb is going to be a steal in the first round mark my words that’s my prediction first round steal yeah i don’t know i’m a little nervous though it’s a we’re playing super flex this year which i’m excited to try out the super flex format so i had to get a couple quarterbacks and my top quarterback’s kyler murray the rookie supposed to run a lot which is good but i’m a little nervous the cardinals aren’t going to be any good um they weren’t very good last year so
[0:12:16 – 0:12:20] Erik: I love that you’re looking at me and saying these names like I should know what you’re talking about.
[0:12:20 – 0:12:21] Adam: Yeah, I want to see your reaction.
[0:12:23 – 0:12:27] Adam: Anybody who knows, though, knows Chubb is the pick of the litter there.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:29] Adam: So go ahead and take him.
[0:12:30 – 0:12:31] Adam: You might be able to get him in the second round of your draft.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:36] Adam: I knew we had some sharp players, though, that had their eye on the talent that is Nick Chubb.
[0:12:37 – 0:12:40] Adam: That’s all I really wanted to say on that, and I’m glad we already got to talk about our picnic.
[0:12:41 – 0:12:42] Adam: Well, we talked about boating.
[0:12:42 – 0:12:46] Adam: We also had a very fine picnic with our boating session yesterday.
[0:12:46 – 0:12:48] Erik: There were some ankle-biting flies out on Clearwater.
[0:12:48 – 0:12:53] Adam: A little bit of flies and a little more clouds than we thought we were going to have, but awesome picnic day.
[0:12:53 – 0:12:55] Adam: I had a great time up on the lake with you guys.
[0:12:56 – 0:12:56] Adam: It was lovely.
[0:12:57 – 0:12:57] Erik: It was.
[0:12:58 – 0:13:01] Erik: Nice to get out on Clearwater, spend some time.
[0:13:01 – 0:13:04] Adam: Yeah, I mean, summer is very fleeting up here in the Northwoods.
[0:13:05 – 0:13:07] Adam: We’re really in the meat of our six weeks of summer.
[0:13:07 – 0:13:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:13:08 – 0:13:10] Adam: And got to soak up those rays, baby.
[0:13:10 – 0:13:11] Erik: Yeah, no.
[0:13:11 – 0:13:12] Adam: Got to get some sun.
[0:13:12 – 0:13:17] Erik: Yeah, if summer was a steak, we’re chewing the meat off of the T-bone right now.
[0:13:19 – 0:13:20] Erik: I like that.
[0:13:20 – 0:13:21] Erik: Yes, we are.
[0:13:21 – 0:13:22] Erik: We’ve already consumed the filet.
[0:13:23 – 0:13:24] Erik: The dregs.
[0:13:25 – 0:13:27] Erik: Still are very delicious.
[0:13:27 – 0:13:28] Erik: That meat right up next to the bone.
[0:13:28 – 0:13:29] Erik: The bone’s the best part.
[0:13:29 – 0:13:31] Erik: Can be some of the best meat.
[0:13:31 – 0:13:33] Erik: But you’ve got to pick it up and actually chew on it.
[0:13:33 – 0:13:34] Erik: And that’s what this part of summer is.
[0:13:34 – 0:13:35] Erik: What’s December then?
[0:13:35 – 0:13:38] Erik: Like you’re boiling the bone for some broth at the end?
[0:13:38 – 0:13:40] Erik: That’s just an analogy for summer only.
[0:13:40 – 0:13:45] Adam: I was thinking about how the life of a human is like these seasons, starting with spring.
[0:13:46 – 0:13:47] Adam: I’m like, where am I in life now?
[0:13:47 – 0:13:52] Adam: I feel like I’m still in the meat of the bone right now too, but maybe I am getting closer to fall.
[0:13:53 – 0:13:54] Erik: Yeah, you’re still, come on, man.
[0:13:54 – 0:13:56] Erik: You’re still eating away at the filet.
[0:13:57 – 0:14:02] Adam: In my opinion, though, like if it was my choice, I’d just want fall to be like 75% of my life.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:04] Adam: I guess it depends.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:08] Adam: If I could choose and allocate the amount, like spring, you know, take that and leave it.
[0:14:08 – 0:14:09] Adam: Summer was great.
[0:14:09 – 0:14:13] Adam: I kind of squandered part of my early summer in life, but now I’m making the most of it.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:14] Adam: I feel like I am still in summer.
[0:14:14 – 0:14:16] Erik: I squandered my spring.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:19] Adam: I’m really looking forward to my fall and winter.
[0:14:19 – 0:14:20] Adam: I’ve got a lot to go.
[0:14:20 – 0:14:32] Erik: Well, see, I think it just depends on how, in the just grand scheme of how the seasons work, yes, that analogy is very applicable, but it depends on how much importance you put on those seasons for yourself.
[0:14:33 – 0:14:37] Erik: So yeah, for me personally, and it sounds like you too, it probably doesn’t really make that much sense to be like,
[0:14:37 – 0:14:38] Erik: I’m in the fall of my life.
[0:14:39 – 0:14:40] Erik: Yeah, but I want it to be fall.
[0:14:40 – 0:14:42] Adam: I know, but I love fall.
[0:14:42 – 0:14:45] Adam: I feel like ever since I moved up here, it’s been the fall of my life.
[0:14:45 – 0:14:52] Adam: But it’s going to be like Game of Thrones kind of deal where the seasons don’t always…
[0:14:52 – 0:14:53] Adam: It could be the long winter.
[0:14:53 – 0:14:55] Adam: I’m hoping for the long fall.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:55] Erik: A very long fall.
[0:14:56 – 0:14:58] Adam: My house motto and words are fall is coming.
[0:14:59 – 0:14:59] Adam: Fall is here.
[0:14:59 – 0:15:01] Adam: Fall is here.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:02] Adam: Fall is here.
[0:15:02 – 0:15:02] Adam: I want that.
[0:15:03 – 0:15:04] Adam: I need to make myself a sigil.
[0:15:05 – 0:15:28] Erik: um by the end of the season i’ll put that into the the notes here yeah so yeah i would say we’re both in the if our lives are a t-bone steak we’re still on the fillet side haven’t even started considering chewing on the i’d say like bone anybody listening to this podcast obviously still getting into the fillet this is as far as podcasts go this is the
[0:15:29 – 0:15:52] Adam: um the finest protein i don’t want to leave out the vegetarians the finest well yeah i mean it’s uh i love a good pad thai with some tofu as much as the next person you don’t always have to have i i think we’ve kind of talked about this a little bit maybe we should be careful with the meat analogy here well i mean it doesn’t have a meat analogy and like still people know what we’re saying right if you don’t want to yeah we don’t vegetarian understands what a t-bone is
[0:15:53 – 0:15:54] Adam: Yeah, I know, but I don’t want to leave them out.
[0:15:54 – 0:16:00] Adam: You can have the juiciest morsel of tofu as well, to whatever you want.
[0:16:01 – 0:16:03] Adam: The juiciest morsel of tofu.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:07] Erik: All right, well, we’ve rambled for 16 minutes, haven’t even gotten to the plane investigation.
[0:16:07 – 0:16:09] Erik: Yeah, let’s reopen the investigation.
[0:16:09 – 0:16:10] Erik: Do we need a drop?
[0:16:10 – 0:16:13] Erik: How we thought this wasn’t going to be a two-week, two-parter.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:13] Erik: FBI.
[0:16:13 – 0:16:14] Adam: CIA.
[0:16:14 – 0:16:15] Adam: Flyboy investigators.
[0:16:23 – 0:16:24] Adam: You’re not doing… Eric’s on the case.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:25] Adam: Detective Eric.
[0:16:25 – 0:16:28] Erik: You’re not doing the loon sounds anymore?
[0:16:28 – 0:16:28] Erik: That was a one-week thing.
[0:16:28 – 0:16:29] Adam: That was a one-week thing.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:31] Adam: I can’t keep doing that every week.
[0:16:31 – 0:16:33] Adam: What do I look like, an opera singer?
[0:16:33 – 0:16:36] Adam: That was kinds of vocal chord abilities.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:38] Adam: That was a one-week example.
[0:16:39 – 0:16:42] Adam: I still think we should get the old iPad 1 out and turn that into a soundboard eventually.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:43] Erik: Sure.
[0:16:43 – 0:16:56] Erik: I mean, you’ve been drinking throat coat, sucking on Ricolas, and you, before the show, actually just pulled off the ice packs from the throat because of the work you put in on that last episode.
[0:16:56 – 0:16:58] Adam: I actually had a, I boiled a rag.
[0:16:58 – 0:17:02] Adam: I wrapped that around my neck, and then I put the ice packs on top of the boiled rag.
[0:17:02 – 0:17:05] Erik: Wow, that really shoves the heat right into the throat.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:09] Adam: I think my voice sounds okay, but I definitely couldn’t pull off the loon drops.
[0:17:09 – 0:17:10] Adam: No, don’t strain yourself.
[0:17:10 – 0:17:12] Adam: We’ve got a lot of recording to do here.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:15] Adam: So the investigation’s open.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:17] Erik: The investigation is reopened.
[0:17:17 – 0:17:17] Erik: Reopened.
[0:17:18 – 0:17:19] Erik: Pulled a case file.
[0:17:19 – 0:17:28] Erik: I don’t know what you could compare this to, but we’re reopening the investigation into the increased air traffic over the Boundary Waters that we have noted many times this summer.
[0:17:28 – 0:17:31] Adam: This has kind of been the underlying story of the whole year so far.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:31] Adam: Yeah.
[0:17:31 – 0:17:33] Adam: What’s going on out there?
[0:17:33 – 0:17:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:33 – 0:17:39] Erik: I mean, we sort of put a pin in it last week, more or less.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:40] Erik: I thought we did, yeah.
[0:17:40 – 0:17:44] Erik: The day after we recorded, I got an email, and this is from Ryan.
[0:17:46 – 0:17:47] Erik: Hey, Eric and Adam.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:47] Erik: Hey.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:51] Erik: Some evidence of the increased air traffic over the BWCA.
[0:17:52 – 0:18:02] Erik: In late July, some buddies and I were on Long Island Lake and were awoken in frustration and disbelief by two guys buzzing around the lake in their motorboat.
[0:18:03 – 0:18:08] Erik: After a few attempts to talk with them, they said they were doing some fish surveys for the DNR.
[0:18:09 – 0:18:16] Erik: Our suspicion was confirmed when this plane landed and picked them and all of their gear up, including the motorboats.
[0:18:17 – 0:18:18] Erik: Hope this helps your investigation.
[0:18:19 – 0:18:22] Erik: Also, you can see the plane number N192Z.
[0:18:23 – 0:18:27] Erik: If you zoom in.
[0:18:27 – 0:18:28] Adam: Hold on.
[0:18:28 – 0:18:29] Adam: Let me write that down.
[0:18:29 – 0:18:31] Erik: I have a picture here that he’s attached.
[0:18:31 – 0:18:33] Erik: N192Z?
[0:18:33 – 0:18:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:34 – 0:18:35] Erik: It’s a… Zed.
[0:18:36 – 0:18:37] Erik: Do you want to see the picture?
[0:18:37 – 0:18:38] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:18:38 – 0:18:38] Erik: Let me see this picture.
[0:18:39 – 0:18:50] Erik: Before I show you the picture, the craziest part, the day he sent this to me was three days after I got done doing a guided trip where I base camped with the folks from New York City, the Rubes.
[0:18:52 – 0:19:17] Erik: again oh boy they made that joke for the last episode yeah we had an awesome time um but the picture is from the site we camped at for two days yeah you were right there you just missed them i know exactly what this view is i’m surprised you weren’t there when this was going on the way you’re lost so here is the picture a plane on the long that’s the yeah the beaver it’s the red and white beaver that’s the de havilland beaver yep i’ll zoom in even more
[0:19:19 – 0:19:21] Adam: There it is.
[0:19:21 – 0:19:22] Adam: 192Z, yeah.
[0:19:23 – 0:19:24] Adam: They had motorboats like…
[0:19:25 – 0:19:49] Adam: apparently they hauled in home on there on the floats i think they yeah they can kind of put them on there diagonally so anyways i mentioned last episode too then that somebody had sent me a message on instagram but we were offline for that episode so i wasn’t able to just pull it up oh that’s right we were in the uh so it was uh i don’t know do we this person seems like um has commented or sent us information before i feel like
[0:19:50 – 0:19:51] Erik: What’s the name of the account?
[0:19:51 – 0:19:52] Adam: I don’t know if I want to give away the account.
[0:19:52 – 0:19:55] Adam: I guess I want to give a shout-out, though, because it was good info.
[0:19:55 – 0:20:08] Adam: Yeah, Yates Joe on Instagram sent me a link, and it was to the Instagram account called Henny Cub, spelled just how you think that would be spelled, and it’s like a bunch of pictures of them with their Cessna.
[0:20:09 – 0:20:12] Adam: It’s a 185 Skywagon.
[0:20:13 – 0:20:18] Adam: It’s red and white with floats, and then they also have pictures of the beaver as well.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:25] Adam: And so I sent that to our friend in the Forest Service, and she’s like, oh, yeah, that’s the team out of Shagwell Lake.
[0:20:25 – 0:20:33] Erik: Well, you should also forward on the information that Ryan, thank you, Ryan, has sent along, just to give her maybe just a little bit of information.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:33] Adam: Oh, I will be, yeah.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:38] Adam: I’ve been kind of in communication and regular with our friend there, just trying to get to the bottom of this.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:41] Adam: And then one hour ago…
[0:20:42 – 0:20:46] Adam: Base Camp North sent a message to our Instagram account.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:52] Adam: This was Gunplant Lake on July 4th.
[0:20:52 – 0:20:54] Adam: You got the tail number for sure here.
[0:20:54 – 0:20:55] Adam: That’s a beautiful picture.
[0:20:56 – 0:20:57] Adam: It was docked at Gunplant Lodge.
[0:20:58 – 0:21:25] Adam: over fourth of july but that doesn’t appear to be the same plane we were seeing it’s definitely not the beaver that looks more like the cessna but it could have been that’s definitely the cessna so yeah yeah it was confirmed that this is forest service activity a couple times over now so they’re out there doing stuff activity just seems like they’re doing a lot more like what’s the deal nobody’s really been able to answer that question yet what’s the deal why why are we seeing them every time we’re out now what’s the deal nobody else got hit
[0:21:28 – 0:21:29] Adam: What gives?
[0:21:30 – 0:21:32] Adam: This is a really tasty one.
[0:21:32 – 0:21:37] Erik: Just before we move on, the folks from New York City, huge fans of Wes Anderson.
[0:21:37 – 0:21:39] Erik: We talked a lot about his movies.
[0:21:39 – 0:21:41] Erik: That’s a good sign of a good character.
[0:21:41 – 0:21:43] Erik: A great aspect of that trip.
[0:21:43 – 0:21:46] Erik: So they were catching on all of the quotes.
[0:21:46 – 0:21:50] Erik: I even threw a goodbye Cody out at them, which was noticed.
[0:21:50 – 0:21:52] Adam: Goodbye, Cody.
[0:21:53 – 0:21:53] Erik: We have to go back.
[0:21:54 – 0:21:54] Adam: All right.
[0:21:57 – 0:22:02] Adam: Well, I think that’s all the news and notes.
[0:22:02 – 0:22:04] Adam: I couldn’t help myself, folks.
[0:22:04 – 0:22:05] Adam: I could not help myself.
[0:22:05 – 0:22:06] Adam: I think that one’s going to stick.
[0:22:06 – 0:22:08] Erik: He just stressed his vocal cords.
[0:22:08 – 0:22:11] Adam: I did that one very gently, and that was a very gentle news and notes.
[0:22:12 – 0:22:18] Adam: Anyways, thanks for the shout-outs and the help on Instagram and email, helping us get to the bottom.
[0:22:18 – 0:22:24] Adam: Has anybody else seen anything weird or has a story to tell about planes or planes?
[0:22:24 – 0:22:27] Adam: Helicopters or UFOs?
[0:22:28 – 0:22:29] Erik: No, that’s a different topic.
[0:22:30 – 0:22:35] Adam: That’s going to be a different episode, but we’re interested in all your stories is what we have to say.
[0:22:35 – 0:22:39] Adam: So you can find us on Instagram, on email, on Facebook still.
[0:22:40 – 0:22:41] Adam: We’re still on Facebook.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:42] Erik: We are still there.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:42] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:22:42 – 0:22:44] Erik: For whatever reason, the… We’re on untapped.
[0:22:44 – 0:22:48] Adam: You can go check out this great beer we’re currently sipping on untapped.
[0:22:48 – 0:22:49] Adam: We are tumble taps.
[0:22:49 – 0:22:49] Adam: Find us.
[0:22:49 – 0:22:53] Erik: I gotta get the dragon’s milk on there yet.
[0:22:53 – 0:22:54] Adam: Ah, yeah.
[0:22:54 – 0:22:55] Erik: Maybe I can do that in between.
[0:22:55 – 0:22:57] Adam: Is that all our accounts?
[0:22:57 – 0:22:59] Adam: And you can call the hotline.
[0:22:59 – 0:23:05] Adam: We still have the answering machine that nobody seems to want to use, which, yeah, who wants to talk on the phone anymore?
[0:23:05 – 0:23:06] Adam: It’s 2019.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:07] Adam: I get it.
[0:23:07 – 0:23:09] Adam: But if you do, that’s cool.
[0:23:09 – 0:23:11] Adam: You can be on the show your own voice.
[0:23:11 – 0:23:12] Erik: DumbledoreCast at Gmail.
[0:23:12 – 0:23:13] Erik: That’s the main one.
[0:23:13 – 0:23:15] Adam: Yeah, just get a hold of us on the email.
[0:23:15 – 0:23:19] Adam: Or you can stop by and say hi to Eric any day at Clearwater Lodge.
[0:23:19 – 0:23:20] Erik: Well, it doesn’t sound like it.
[0:23:20 – 0:23:21] Erik: We missed out on Rojo Rider yesterday.
[0:23:21 – 0:23:22] Erik: We did.
[0:23:22 – 0:23:23] Adam: We missed out on our good friend.
[0:23:23 – 0:23:33] Adam: We were out swimming, picking jasper and eating fine cheese and crackers.
[0:23:33 – 0:23:34] Adam: It was a very good picnic.
[0:23:34 – 0:23:38] Adam: Man, we had some really good olives, smoked fish.
[0:23:38 – 0:23:39] Adam: That’s the way to eat.
[0:23:40 – 0:23:41] Adam: Just snacks.
[0:23:41 – 0:23:42] Adam: That’s how they eat in the Blue Zones.
[0:23:43 – 0:23:43] Adam: Yep.
[0:23:43 – 0:23:46] Adam: Always eating little snacks between noon and eight.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:46] Adam: Yep.
[0:23:46 – 0:23:53] Erik: Episode 180, season four, Grand Marais, the new blue zone, question mark?
[0:23:53 – 0:23:58] Erik: Let’s take a break before we dive deep into maps.
[0:23:58 – 0:23:58] Erik: All right.
[0:23:58 – 0:23:59] Erik: Sounds good.
[0:24:01 – 0:24:08] Erik: Arguably, the most important aspect of a Boundary Waters trip
[0:24:10 – 0:24:11] Erik: Episode 68.
[0:24:12 – 0:24:13] Erik: Over a year in.
[0:24:13 – 0:24:14] Erik: 068.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:16] Erik: I don’t believe we’ve mentioned that.
[0:24:16 – 0:24:20] Erik: We have not really talked in depth on this.
[0:24:20 – 0:24:22] Erik: I mean, outside of the canoe, we had the boat show.
[0:24:24 – 0:24:25] Erik: Haven’t had a paddle show.
[0:24:25 – 0:24:27] Erik: I don’t know if there’s enough there, but maybe.
[0:24:27 – 0:24:44] Erik: After those two things, I would say, and then obviously outside of like food and water, really the next thing down the line that I don’t know if you could survive very long on out there without is a map or something to tell you where you are.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:45] Erik: It’s helpful.
[0:24:46 – 0:24:47] Erik: It’s super helpful.
[0:24:47 – 0:24:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:24:47 – 0:24:48] Erik: It’s helpful.
[0:24:48 – 0:24:54] Adam: We did the episode on the Lost Boys and didn’t one of them lose the map right away?
[0:24:55 – 0:24:55] Adam: Not right away.
[0:24:55 – 0:24:56] Adam: Classic blunder.
[0:24:56 – 0:24:58] Erik: Yeah, classic Rasmussen maneuver there.
[0:24:58 – 0:24:59] Adam: That’s a real Rasmussen.
[0:24:59 – 0:24:59] Erik: Yeah, no.
[0:25:00 – 0:25:00] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:25:00 – 0:25:03] Erik: It just came out of wherever it was after he left his setup camp.
[0:25:03 – 0:25:06] Adam: It got jostled from his concussed pocket.
[0:25:06 – 0:25:08] Erik: No, that was Dan Stevens.
[0:25:08 – 0:25:10] Adam: Oh, I’m mixing the two stories up now.
[0:25:10 – 0:25:11] Adam: I’m sorry, Stevens.
[0:25:11 – 0:25:13] Erik: Your comprehension skills are not what they used to be.
[0:25:13 – 0:25:15] Adam: Well, I told you, I’m in the fall of my year now.
[0:25:18 – 0:25:21] Adam: Yeah, clearly the old computer isn’t…
[0:25:22 – 0:25:23] Adam: It’s like my old laptop at work.
[0:25:23 – 0:25:25] Adam: That’s how this thing’s going right now.
[0:25:26 – 0:25:28] Adam: Don’t try and install any new programs on this thing.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:28] Erik: No.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:29] Erik: No, no.
[0:25:29 – 0:25:30] Erik: No.
[0:25:30 – 0:25:32] Adam: New apps.
[0:25:32 – 0:25:33] Adam: Not compatible with new apps.
[0:25:33 – 0:25:33] Adam: No.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:38] Adam: Yeah, I can’t run Snapchat on this old… TikTok would break your computer.
[0:25:39 – 0:25:40] Erik: So, yeah, we…
[0:25:41 – 0:25:41] Erik: I mean…
[0:25:43 – 0:25:45] Erik: I got two pages of notes on maps.
[0:25:45 – 0:25:47] Erik: I don’t even know where to start.
[0:25:48 – 0:25:48] Erik: I know where to start.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:49] Erik: Start it.
[0:25:50 – 0:25:50] Adam: Online mapping.
[0:25:50 – 0:25:52] Adam: We got all our paper maps we will get to.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:59] Adam: I think these are kind of the grand finale, I would say, is the paper mapping, which is what you’re going to have with you in the Boundary Waters.
[0:25:59 – 0:26:01] Adam: So we’ll get to that at the end.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:07] Adam: We’ll probably spend the most time on this, but I think there’s some aspects of mapping we should check into, one of them being online mapping.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:16] Adam: Anytime I’m going on a trip, I will have the paper maps out, but I love to go and look at it just on Google Maps, obviously.
[0:26:16 – 0:26:23] Adam: Everybody’s got it on their phone or on their PC or whatever laptop you’ve got here.
[0:26:24 – 0:26:26] Adam: You can pull up Google Maps and you can look at the satellite.
[0:26:27 – 0:26:29] Adam: It’s really fun for me to look at that.
[0:26:29 – 0:26:32] Adam: I enjoy just like looking at the view from space.
[0:26:33 – 0:26:34] Adam: And I don’t know.
[0:26:34 – 0:26:39] Adam: I’m always looking at Google Maps, not just Boundary Waters related, just like anything.
[0:26:40 – 0:26:42] Adam: Going to hike a trail or whatever.
[0:26:43 – 0:26:45] Adam: Go check out what’s this weird open spot.
[0:26:46 – 0:26:48] Adam: You can combo that with a lot of these other maps.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:52] Adam: Like, okay, I’m going to go to this area, and then I want to go look at it also on Google Maps.
[0:26:52 – 0:26:55] Adam: It’s real easy and fun to pull it up.
[0:26:55 – 0:27:02] Adam: Like, I just realized the other day, speaking of planes flying around, I realized, like, our Studio K is, like,
[0:27:02 – 0:27:24] Adam: pretty directly lined up with the runway at gram ray international airport so it was like why i’m seeing a lot of planes and i finally like pulled out google maps and kind of zoomed out yeah well there’s the damn runway there literally i saw a white jet on final approach the other day and i was like what is this thing doing flying over us and it’s like oh it’s landing
[0:27:26 – 0:27:26] Adam: It’s on the ground.
[0:27:26 – 0:27:30] Adam: You can go look at what the tail number is on that plane that’s on the tarmac right now.
[0:27:31 – 0:27:34] Adam: That’s available for you as well online, but I don’t know.
[0:27:34 – 0:27:35] Adam: That’s just kind of like the…
[0:27:37 – 0:27:41] Adam: I really like to look at it for a variety of reasons, but it’s great for boundary water stuff.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:52] Adam: You can kind of just get a feel for how everything’s shaped, and if there’s any fire burn zones or anything, those are great to pull those up and to see where those boundaries are.
[0:27:52 – 0:27:52] Adam: Yeah.
[0:27:52 – 0:27:57] Erik: Yeah, you can definitely see that on Google Maps with the satellite view.
[0:27:57 – 0:28:01] Erik: You can still see Gavity Lake, Ham Lake, Pagami Creek.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:05] Erik: Very recognizable from the distant view.
[0:28:07 – 0:28:20] Erik: Before, I think we’re going to talk about in the specifics of as many of the maps that we like to use and some of the ones that we use, the pros and cons of each.
[0:28:21 – 0:28:49] Erik: more or less but I was just thinking just in general if I don’t know if I have a good answer for this but like and I think this is maybe a good time to do it versus the end is just like do you think that this is a universal human trait the interest and borderline obsession slash love of maps
[0:28:52 – 0:28:55] Erik: I feel like I’m kind of borderline obsessed with maps.
[0:28:55 – 0:28:56] Adam: I love maps.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:59] Erik: Just in general, even if it’s not the Boundary Waters.
[0:29:00 – 0:29:08] Erik: So I ordered some maps for Clearwater from a place that we get our maps from, and they accidentally shipped a map of the Lake Tahoe area.
[0:29:08 – 0:29:09] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:29:13 – 0:29:35] Adam: and i still like i just for like an hour i was just like sitting and looking at like a map of lake tahoe i’m like i have no plans to go to lake tahoe not yet and i’m just you showed me that and i was like well where is it maybe we should go yeah yeah i was like oh man you got a map it was a sign yeah you should visit lake tahoe it’s just maybe next winter it’s just a map thing but i don’t know like because can you ice fish lake tahoe
[0:29:36 – 0:29:37] Erik: I don’t think Lake Tahoe freezes over.
[0:29:38 – 0:29:40] Erik: I know they get a lot of good snow.
[0:29:41 – 0:29:42] Adam: Get back to us.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:44] Adam: It’s not really a fact check.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:46] Adam: We want to know more about Lake Tahoe, I think.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:46 – 0:29:50] Adam: Welcome to Pow Boys, a Lake Tahoe podcast.
[0:29:51 – 0:29:55] Erik: That’ll be part of our Happy Paddlers Club podcast.
[0:29:55 – 0:29:57] Erik: We’ll go out there and paddle Lake Tahoe.
[0:29:57 – 0:29:58] Erik: Happy Paddlers, though.
[0:29:58 – 0:29:59] Erik: Seems like it might get a little windy.
[0:29:59 – 0:30:01] Erik: Yeah, anyway, I mean…
[0:30:01 – 0:30:04] Adam: I love them, yeah, and I can look at a map all day.
[0:30:04 – 0:30:08] Adam: If you give me enough maps, I can really lose a couple hours in a map.
[0:30:08 – 0:30:11] Erik: Yeah, I mean, just from a young age.
[0:30:11 – 0:30:12] Erik: How about when you’re reading a book?
[0:30:12 – 0:30:14] Adam: Roadmaps, atlases.
[0:30:14 – 0:30:17] Adam: At the beginning of a book when they give you like a map of the world if you’re reading.
[0:30:17 – 0:30:18] Adam: I’m always flipping back over to that map.
[0:30:18 – 0:30:24] Adam: Yes, and then you kind of always are looking back like we already mentioned the Song of Ice and Fire series earlier.
[0:30:25 – 0:30:26] Adam: And yeah, that’s a classic one where…
[0:30:27 – 0:30:29] Erik: It’s a fake map, but you still always look at it.
[0:30:29 – 0:30:31] Adam: Yeah, like, who got to make that map?
[0:30:31 – 0:30:32] Adam: How much fun is that?
[0:30:32 – 0:30:37] Adam: I’ve often, like, I used to draw a lot, like, make up my own lakes with depths.
[0:30:37 – 0:30:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:30:38 – 0:30:41] Adam: Like, interesting lakes of the mind.
[0:30:41 – 0:30:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:30:41 – 0:30:42] Adam: That’s a fake map.
[0:30:42 – 0:30:51] Erik: There’s definitely a whole, I think there’s a whole subreddit of just, like, world building where you just draw your own map of, like, this is New Umbria or whatever.
[0:30:51 – 0:30:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:51 – 0:30:53] Adam: Yeah, well, I used to play The Sims all the time.
[0:30:53 – 0:30:55] Adam: That’s even just building a whole town.
[0:30:56 – 0:30:57] Erik: I have SimCity on this computer.
[0:30:58 – 0:31:01] Adam: I love the old SimCity, not Sims.
[0:31:01 – 0:31:03] Adam: I have not gotten into that as much.
[0:31:03 – 0:31:04] Adam: The Sims is kind of weird.
[0:31:04 – 0:31:05] Adam: Natalie likes to play The Sims.
[0:31:07 – 0:31:26] Adam: she’s weird oh no she’s like adam do you want to be an abstract artist or something i was like no i’ll do abstract art for sure that sounds awesome so my character i’m an abstract artist very good i my paintings sell for millions i mean besides the selling your art for millions i think you’re borderline abstract artist already
[0:31:27 – 0:31:31] Adam: I feel like my style is that more abstract than realism, realism for sure.
[0:31:31 – 0:31:31] Adam: For sure.
[0:31:31 – 0:31:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:32 – 0:31:35] Adam: But I don’t understand people who try and paint photo realism.
[0:31:35 – 0:31:36] Adam: What’s the point?
[0:31:36 – 0:31:37] Adam: Take, become a photographer.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:38 – 0:31:39] Adam: That’s go to those spots.
[0:31:40 – 0:31:41] Erik: I’m just, yeah.
[0:31:42 – 0:31:47] Erik: I mean, I don’t understand the people and they’re, they should borderline not be trusted.
[0:31:47 – 0:31:47] Erik: Um,
[0:31:49 – 0:31:50] Erik: Folks that just aren’t interested in maps.
[0:31:52 – 0:31:52] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:52 – 0:32:00] Adam: How can you not be wanting to look at a map and find where you’re, you know, maybe you have a map of where you’re at, especially, but like a map of a place you could go.
[0:32:00 – 0:32:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:01 – 0:32:02] Adam: How much fun is that?
[0:32:02 – 0:32:08] Erik: I just, I guess the question, which I don’t think that we can necessarily answer is what is it?
[0:32:08 – 0:32:08] Adam: Why?
[0:32:09 – 0:32:10] Adam: Why is that so much fun?
[0:32:10 – 0:32:11] Erik: Yeah, why is it fun?
[0:32:11 – 0:32:12] Erik: Why is it interesting?
[0:32:12 – 0:32:15] Adam: I’d like to just like… How many times have we looked at this map?
[0:32:15 – 0:32:18] Adam: How many times have I stared at…
[0:32:18 – 0:32:19] Adam: There’s multiple layers, I think.
[0:32:19 – 0:32:23] Adam: F14, Fischer, F14, which is the map I send out on a daily basis.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:26] Adam: One of them is the place names are always fun.
[0:32:27 – 0:32:29] Adam: And then if you can eventually get into like older maps with like…
[0:32:30 – 0:32:58] Adam: different names for the same place i think there’s a lot that could be said about just like place names i like to look at the shape of things and like picturing the glaciers moving through here and like why they end up making the lake look like that i love to like consider i like to imagine about like the under like beneath the surface on lakes what’s that really look like um that’s almost like a whole other planet maps have that and some don’t and the ones that do typically still get it wrong
[0:32:58 – 0:33:07] Adam: And even if you have a topo or a relief map of a lake, that’s just one interpretation of what their soundings indicated.
[0:33:07 – 0:33:10] Adam: But what does it really look like if you were to scuba down there or something?
[0:33:10 – 0:33:10] Erik: Right.
[0:33:11 – 0:33:17] Adam: I guess that’s a lot of why we like to paddle and cover new ground is a big thing we try and do, cover new routes.
[0:33:17 – 0:33:20] Adam: And it’s always like, well, that’s what it looks like on a map.
[0:33:20 – 0:33:25] Adam: But then it’s also like a preview as to what is it going to look like when we finally get there, though.
[0:33:26 – 0:33:28] Adam: I think that’s a big part of it.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:39] Erik: If we talked long enough, I think the general end of the conversation as to why would be probably the same reason why people are talking about going to Mars.
[0:33:40 – 0:33:46] Erik: There’s something in the human DNA that wants to explore and understand Mars.
[0:33:49 – 0:33:54] Erik: And the map is a combination of an understanding that somebody else has put together.
[0:33:54 – 0:33:56] Adam: Right, of what we’ve found.
[0:33:56 – 0:33:59] Erik: And what you can then go out and explore for yourself.
[0:33:59 – 0:34:00] Adam: I think that’s well said.
[0:34:01 – 0:34:13] Erik: So to look at some of the old maps, especially of Lake Country, where you see it’s just like a bunch of little circles with a line in between it, to what we know now, which is this big map.
[0:34:13 – 0:34:16] Erik: which is a direct representation of what it looks like.
[0:34:17 – 0:34:30] Erik: I mean, that is, I mean, we’re looking at like the culmination of centuries of work and advancement in human technology to be able to produce something like that on paper.
[0:34:31 – 0:34:40] Adam: Absolutely, and I guess that’s why I like going on Google Maps so much and spend so much time on it, just zooming around the world, looking at different spots.
[0:34:41 – 0:34:50] Adam: It’s an incredible superpower to be able to just go on and zoom in to anywhere you want to look at in a little bit more detail or to go on and then zoom out.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:34:51 – 0:34:53] Adam: That’s also fun.
[0:34:53 – 0:34:56] Adam: I think that’s the ultimate, just for me, why I wanted to start there.
[0:34:56 – 0:34:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:57 – 0:35:00] Adam: It’s usually I end up with paper maps of areas I’m really going to a lot.
[0:35:01 – 0:35:08] Adam: But that’s always at my fingertips, this new power we have, which is relatively a new thing and pretty neat.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:12] Adam: You can just go on the internet and travel to a new place.
[0:35:13 – 0:35:22] Erik: Yeah, there’s an aspect of privacy that the Google Earth maps, all that, borders on a little weird, a little Orwellian stuff.
[0:35:23 – 0:35:27] Adam: Yeah, I wonder, I’ve actually never looked at like, is there, what street view of Studio K look like?
[0:35:27 – 0:35:28] Adam: I doubt they’ve been down here.
[0:35:28 – 0:35:30] Erik: No, there’s no way they’ve been down here.
[0:35:30 – 0:35:30] Erik: They better not have been.
[0:35:31 – 0:35:31] Erik: Google.
[0:35:32 – 0:35:39] Erik: It’s been a while since they’ve been up the Gunflint Trail, just based on the photo that’s up there with some of the vehicles parked at Trail Center.
[0:35:40 – 0:35:43] Adam: I remember seeing the Bing car go by one time.
[0:35:43 – 0:35:46] Adam: Yeah, we almost were like on the Bing car’s footage.
[0:35:46 – 0:35:46] Adam: Yeah.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:48] Erik: Heck.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:56] Erik: So I think, do you have anything else before we get into the maps that we like to use even if we don’t use them?
[0:35:56 – 0:35:56] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:59] Adam: No, I have a few other things to get to.
[0:35:59 – 0:36:02] Adam: Just on online mapping, I have several bullet points we have to cover.
[0:36:02 – 0:36:02] Adam: Oh, boy.
[0:36:03 – 0:36:09] Adam: If you don’t want to go on Google Maps, but you want to look at, at least on this side of the Boundary Waters map,
[0:36:10 – 0:36:15] Adam: Or just generally, the Cook County, Minnesota page has some really good online mapping tools.
[0:36:15 – 0:36:15] Erik: Really?
[0:36:16 – 0:36:16] Adam: Yeah.
[0:36:16 – 0:36:22] Adam: You can go on there and look at… You can go plug in your last name and go look at an airplane photography of your house.
[0:36:23 – 0:36:23] Adam: Oh, no.
[0:36:23 – 0:36:24] Erik: I don’t want to do that.
[0:36:24 – 0:36:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:24 – 0:36:25] Adam: It’s taxpayer parcels.
[0:36:25 – 0:36:26] Adam: What’s the website?
[0:36:26 – 0:36:28] Adam: It’s just the Cook County, Minnesota…
[0:36:29 – 0:36:51] Adam: website and then you go to like they have a mapping it’s right on the home page there’s a big link this is like go to online mapping they have a really good um gis map yeah they have a really good free online service i’m i’ve not checked this um because i would never really need to use it but i’m guessing lake county might have a similar feature uh for the western part of the boundary waters but
[0:36:52 – 0:37:06] Adam: They have done like that’s whereas I don’t know how Google Maps gets their pictures, but this is they were doing like when we were buying the house here, they were flying over like a grid, you know, and it was part of the 2018 data.
[0:37:06 – 0:37:10] Adam: They went around with flying a plane, taking aerial photography.
[0:37:10 – 0:37:17] Adam: So it’s a little more zoomed in and like more recent, like that’s the most recent aerial photography I could find of where we live.
[0:37:18 – 0:37:22] Adam: And you can toggle between like 2011 was the last time they did it and then 2018.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:25] Adam: So you can kind of like travel through time that way.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:35] Adam: I think that’s another part of mapping that I enjoy is like, especially when you’re seeing like that level of detail and mapping, you can just kind of see these little subtle changes.
[0:37:36 – 0:37:42] Adam: I wasn’t really planning on talking about it a whole lot, but I remember you showing me the Minnesota Historical Society.
[0:37:42 – 0:37:44] Adam: That is an incredible webpage.
[0:37:44 – 0:37:48] Adam: Old aerial photography for a lot of places, including up here.
[0:37:48 – 0:37:51] Adam: And that’s super interesting to see the old logging camp on…
[0:37:51 – 0:37:55] Adam: Caribou near Clearwater was really cool to see.
[0:37:55 – 0:37:58] Adam: I don’t know if cool is the right word, but it was definitely.
[0:37:59 – 0:37:59] Adam: It’s cool.
[0:37:59 – 0:38:00] Adam: It was cool.
[0:38:00 – 0:38:01] Adam: It was really cool to see.
[0:38:02 – 0:38:05] Adam: That was like an aspect of time travel with maps.
[0:38:06 – 0:38:07] Adam: Yes.
[0:38:07 – 0:38:11] Erik: You can choose the decade and just filter.
[0:38:11 – 0:38:12] Adam: Exactly what they have.
[0:38:12 – 0:38:19] Erik: One of them, I mean, obviously has little to nothing to do with the Boundary Waters, but you can go down and look at pictures of Minneapolis and St. Paul.
[0:38:20 – 0:38:23] Erik: Aerial photography from the Twin Cities from the early 1900s.
[0:38:23 – 0:38:25] Erik: Was it like blimps?
[0:38:25 – 0:38:26] Adam: I guess blimps.
[0:38:27 – 0:38:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:28 – 0:38:29] Erik: But it’s incredibly detailed.
[0:38:29 – 0:38:35] Erik: It’s all just trains and smokestacks and depression, but it’s there.
[0:38:35 – 0:38:38] Erik: And then you can go and watch it just the way that it grows.
[0:38:38 – 0:38:38] Erik: It’s crazy.
[0:38:38 – 0:38:41] Erik: You can go to where I grew up.
[0:38:41 – 0:38:46] Erik: was like that was like going up to the cabin back in the early 1900s.
[0:38:46 – 0:38:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:47 – 0:38:48] Adam: Not just a suburb.
[0:38:49 – 0:38:50] Adam: Yeah, that is wild.
[0:38:50 – 0:38:51] Erik: So totally a little bit of a tangent.
[0:38:51 – 0:38:56] Erik: But yes, the University of Minnesota Historical Aerial Photography Survey –
[0:38:57 – 0:38:58] Erik: We’ll throw that in the show notes for you.
[0:38:59 – 0:39:02] Adam: Yeah, that’s a neat page.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:09] Adam: Another one that I don’t use that much, but I have used it, especially if I’m going somewhere new, is Paddle Planner.
[0:39:10 – 0:39:13] Adam: Very good resource.
[0:39:13 – 0:39:14] Adam: Wealth of information.
[0:39:15 – 0:39:17] Adam: They just kind of have an interactive map.
[0:39:17 – 0:39:20] Adam: You can zoom in and out all over the Boundary Waters.
[0:39:20 – 0:39:23] Adam: It’s got the portages marked and the campsites marked.
[0:39:23 – 0:39:25] Adam: You can see pictures of the campsites and
[0:39:26 – 0:39:28] Adam: The ratings people have left there for them.
[0:39:29 – 0:39:30] Erik: That adds to the value of the map, too.
[0:39:31 – 0:39:32] Erik: Yeah, it’s like a map with notes.
[0:39:33 – 0:39:41] Adam: It’s like the Google map of the area, but with all these great notes for anybody who would be paddling through there.
[0:39:41 – 0:39:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:41 – 0:39:55] Adam: That’s kind of an interesting one, although I have noted previously, and I think we kind of are in agreement here, sometimes it’s really neat to just not look ahead and not know what the campus reviews are and just find it on your own.
[0:39:56 – 0:39:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:39:56 – 0:39:57] Adam: So there are certain trips.
[0:39:58 – 0:40:04] Adam: Each trip is different, and our listeners understand this, I think.
[0:40:04 – 0:40:05] Adam: There are certain trips where you just…
[0:40:06 – 0:40:12] Adam: Depending on the circumstances, you want to know what’s going to be ahead or at least have a little bit more info to work with.
[0:40:12 – 0:40:17] Adam: And then there’s certain trips where you’re just willing to be surprised and go with the flow, which both are fun.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:18] Erik: Both are fun, yes.
[0:40:18 – 0:40:21] Adam: So that’s another one I wanted to make sure we mentioned.
[0:40:21 – 0:40:22] Adam: And then lastly…
[0:40:23 – 0:40:52] Adam: on online mapping if you uh want to try fishing a lot the minnesota lake finder page is really nicely put together and that’s just through the minnesota dnr and you can go on there and basically find like a um hydro hydrographic map of almost any lake i mean some of them are kind of older like hand-drawn ones from the 70s which are fine they give you at least some idea of what’s happening but um a lot of them are like super high detail
[0:40:53 – 0:41:20] Adam: don’t crush it don’t not crush um nicely you know and they’re all like in downloadable pdfs so you can like either screen grab it or download it to your phone or whatever have that for later use so yeah especially if i’m going out and trying to fish i always like to preview my lakes we’ll be trying to fish on at least get a number like look at the survey quick and you know we go over that when we like preview or do an episode on just like a lake we usually go over the
[0:41:21 – 0:41:42] Adam: fishing numbers which are on there but they also have the maps you can download which are that’s nice yeah because on the on the maps we use for navigation a lot of them have like lake generalized lake depth data but some of the lakes just don’t have it and some of the maps don’t include that so and the maps that do is just typically like draw concentric circles pretty much it’s deep out there it’s
[0:41:42 – 0:42:11] Adam: going to show you any of like the reefs the sandbars that’s a good thing about google maps like say we’re doing the little sag trip earlier and i like went on and zoomed in on little sag to see if i could like see any reefs if you look at certain lakes up here with very clear water not going to mention one by name or anything like clear water maybe um you can see you know like the reef we were floating over down the lake yesterday uh what do we agree the name of that reef was going to be i can’t remember off the top of my head jeremy’s reef i i don’t remember anyways
[0:42:12 – 0:42:14] Adam: You could see that on Google Maps for sure.
[0:42:14 – 0:42:19] Adam: And it’s not going to appear on this Minnesota Lake Finder PDF that you can go find.
[0:42:19 – 0:42:24] Adam: So you can really zoom in and kind of find like a cool, like, hey, we’re going to be in this neck of the woods.
[0:42:25 – 0:42:27] Adam: That would be a good spot to go try trolling.
[0:42:29 – 0:42:30] Adam: And that kind of brings me to GPS.
[0:42:30 – 0:42:32] Adam: We were out floating on clear water and we found this.
[0:42:33 – 0:42:34] Adam: We didn’t find it.
[0:42:34 – 0:42:36] Adam: That reef’s always been there.
[0:42:36 – 0:42:36] Erik: We discovered it.
[0:42:37 – 0:42:38] Adam: Yeah, it’s a new reef.
[0:42:38 – 0:42:48] Adam: And so I said to Eric, I said, we should, while we can take the towboat out here and mark a couple of these reefs farther down the lake, we usually just kind of stick to the closer ones for ice fishing.
[0:42:49 – 0:42:54] Adam: But it would be fun to take the skis and go way down to a couple of these lesser visited reefs.
[0:42:55 – 0:42:59] Adam: I think that would be a real jackpot for March fishing.
[0:43:00 – 0:43:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:00 – 0:43:03] Erik: I mean, depending on the conditions, if the jackpot is worth it.
[0:43:04 – 0:43:08] Erik: We fish Sherman’s Reef, though, which is kind of the same sort of a thing.
[0:43:08 – 0:43:10] Erik: It is, but it gets fished all the time.
[0:43:10 – 0:43:13] Erik: We occasionally catch fish, but it’s not a jackpot.
[0:43:13 – 0:43:16] Adam: No, but it’s getting fished all the time because it’s easy to get to.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:16] Adam: That’s true.
[0:43:16 – 0:43:31] Adam: So if we skied down a ways and got to one that’s not all the way to the end but farther down, probably have some fish down there that aren’t seeing little swim baits and spoons jangled in their faces all day every other day.
[0:43:31 – 0:43:31] Erik: That’s true.
[0:43:32 – 0:43:37] Adam: So I think, but this, I didn’t really want to talk that so much about the ice fishing strategy, but more about the use of GPS.
[0:43:37 – 0:43:39] Adam: I just kind of had it in my notes.
[0:43:39 – 0:43:40] Adam: Like GPS is a big thing.
[0:43:40 – 0:43:46] Adam: A lot of people are probably bringing them in the park and it’s something we’ve been starting to carry on our longer trips.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:54] Adam: And, but I’ve never actually used one other than like, I have an app on my phone for when I’m ski jarring training with the pup.
[0:43:55 – 0:43:56] Erik: I used to use one.
[0:43:56 – 0:43:57] Adam: That’s not really GPS.
[0:43:57 – 0:43:58] Adam: Like you have legit GPS.
[0:43:58 – 0:43:58] Adam: Yeah.
[0:43:59 – 0:44:02] Erik: Yeah, I have a Garmin inReach, but I don’t actually use it for navigation.
[0:44:02 – 0:44:06] Erik: I use it for the communication aspect of it.
[0:44:07 – 0:44:10] Erik: There’s texting and email functions.
[0:44:10 – 0:44:11] Erik: And then there’s also the SOS.
[0:44:12 – 0:44:14] Erik: I snapped my femur out on.
[0:44:14 – 0:44:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:15 – 0:44:18] Adam: So then they send in the de Havilland beaver to come get you.
[0:44:18 – 0:44:19] Adam: The med vac situation there.
[0:44:19 – 0:44:20] Erik: Exactly.
[0:44:20 – 0:44:25] Erik: Which we talked about this on the four-day Heart of the Park trip.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:28] Erik: You didn’t realize I had been bringing that out.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:32] Adam: I didn’t even know you had it, honestly, because, yeah, we’re not using it to, like, make our way.
[0:44:32 – 0:44:46] Adam: But then on that one weird portage from V to— V to V. V to Boulder with the— Oh, the T. The T turn, which we were able to find the T, but then you had to cross a creek and get back in.
[0:44:46 – 0:44:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:47 – 0:44:50] Adam: We consulted, and the GPS actually had that one marked right.
[0:44:50 – 0:44:52] Adam: Everything else was weird and wrong.
[0:44:52 – 0:44:55] Adam: And so that saved us a little bit of time because we had it out.
[0:44:55 – 0:44:57] Adam: We were just trying to, like, figure out how long that portage was.
[0:44:58 – 0:44:59] Erik: Yeah, I don’t use it to navigate.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:01] Adam: But in that case, it did help.
[0:45:01 – 0:45:03] Erik: But I do use it to measure stuff.
[0:45:03 – 0:45:04] Erik: We measured multiple portages.
[0:45:04 – 0:45:05] Erik: The Grand Portage.
[0:45:05 – 0:45:07] Erik: The distance down the Pigeon River.
[0:45:09 – 0:45:12] Adam: The Tuscarora Portage last year, we did that with that.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:16] Erik: There was one other thing that I feel like we used it for recently.
[0:45:16 – 0:45:21] Erik: I think it was maybe the Curly Portage from Canoe to Pine, me and Tori.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:28] Erik: Uh, last year I ended up measuring that and actually the Fisher gets that, the Fisher map gets that pretty close to accurate.
[0:45:28 – 0:45:33] Erik: So, um, but it’s mostly for the, the rescue function.
[0:45:33 – 0:45:34] Erik: Which is nice.
[0:45:34 – 0:45:37] Erik: Which is like, I think I was saying like, now that I’m a homeowner.
[0:45:37 – 0:45:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:38 – 0:45:40] Erik: I have to be attached to.
[0:45:41 – 0:45:48] Erik: And also realizing just how stuff can hit the fan Dan Stevens style.
[0:45:48 – 0:45:54] Erik: I have the Stolquist big pocketed life jacket.
[0:45:54 – 0:45:55] Erik: I keep it right in that.
[0:45:56 – 0:46:01] Erik: And that life jacket, unless I’m in camp and like done for the day, is always on me.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:01] Adam: Right.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:07] Erik: So that’s where the GPS slash rescue unit is more what we use it for.
[0:46:10 – 0:46:15] Erik: I think using the maps that we use, which, spoiler alert,
[0:46:19 – 0:46:22] Adam: Yes, we’re on Team Fisher.
[0:46:22 – 0:46:23] Erik: Team Fisher.
[0:46:23 – 0:46:33] Erik: I can navigate just fine with those, but I’m super acquainted and used to that scale and what the land and the water looks like.
[0:46:34 – 0:46:39] Erik: I think that’s the biggest thing with maps is just getting used to that scale.
[0:46:39 – 0:47:03] Adam: yeah maybe we should just talk about the scale we were kind of researching this just before we recorded today like what you know all these different maps and what the different scales are and what the you know it’s one to 70 000 like what does that even mean yeah one colon a big number like yeah what does so yeah i believe that was the nat geos that are one to i don’t know
[0:47:05 – 0:47:12] Adam: Yeah, we… Anyways, we’ll get to each individual map, but yeah, the Nat Geo is 1 to 70,000 is the scale.
[0:47:13 – 0:47:13] Adam: Right.
[0:47:13 – 0:47:13] Adam: What does that mean?
[0:47:14 – 0:47:15] Adam: It means… No.
[0:47:16 – 0:47:19] Erik: Let’s read from the USGS.
[0:47:19 – 0:47:22] Adam: Yeah, well, they said it way better than I will ever say it.
[0:47:22 – 0:47:23] Adam: Yeah, okay.
[0:47:23 – 0:47:30] Erik: It’s incredibly well struck, and I think I’m going to learn something still, and I think everybody out there will as well.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:32] Erik: Whoever put this together, it’s just like…
[0:47:34 – 0:47:47] Erik: One of the first pages that shows up, it’s a PDF on map scales put together by the U.S. Department of the Interior, U.S. Geological Survey, Earth Science Information Center.
[0:47:49 – 0:47:49] Erik: Here you go.
[0:47:49 – 0:47:50] Erik: Are you ready?
[0:47:50 – 0:47:51] Erik: Yeah, hit me.
[0:47:51 – 0:47:59] Erik: To be most useful, a map must show locations and distances accurately on a sheet of paper of convenient size.
[0:48:00 – 0:48:01] Adam: Yeah, that is important.
[0:48:01 – 0:48:04] Erik: I love just the straight black and white.
[0:48:04 – 0:48:06] Adam: Does it have to be on paper, though, government?
[0:48:06 – 0:48:08] Erik: They are cutting through our minutia.
[0:48:08 – 0:48:10] Erik: This is what you need.
[0:48:10 – 0:48:15] Erik: This is like the little spoon of sorbet at the end of what we’re giving you.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:17] Erik: You need a palate cleanser.
[0:48:17 – 0:48:18] Erik: Here you go.
[0:48:18 – 0:48:28] Erik: This means that everything included in the map, ground area, distance, rivers, lakes, roads, and so on,
[0:48:29 – 0:48:30] Erik: Oh, I like that.
[0:48:30 – 0:48:34] Erik: …must be shown proportionately smaller than it really is.
[0:48:35 – 0:48:40] Erik: The proportion chosen for a particular map is its scale.
[0:48:40 – 0:48:42] Adam: I just want to go on a brief tangent.
[0:48:42 – 0:48:45] Adam: Has there ever been a map that’s smaller than the area it’s showing?
[0:48:46 – 0:48:47] Adam: I mean, larger.
[0:48:47 – 0:48:47] Adam: Yeah, the reverse.
[0:48:47 – 0:48:48] Adam: That would be crazy.
[0:48:48 – 0:48:50] Adam: Yeah, we’re not breaking that rule.
[0:48:50 – 0:48:51] Adam: That would be an art exhibit.
[0:48:51 – 0:48:52] Erik: That’s like a Star Trek episode.
[0:48:52 – 0:48:57] Adam: Yeah, like I’m going to make a painting of my shed, but it’s actually bigger than the shed or something.
[0:48:57 – 0:48:59] Adam: I guess that’s what photos are with like a zoom in.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:00] Erik: Map art.
[0:49:00 – 0:49:03] Erik: You can get a photo that’s just your eyeball.
[0:49:03 – 0:49:05] Erik: We should have just started the show with those three sentences.
[0:49:06 – 0:49:14] Erik: That’s like, that is, it’s so contextualized into the most like succinct three sentences.
[0:49:14 – 0:49:16] Adam: I wonder how long they spent crafting that.
[0:49:16 – 0:49:16] Adam: I know.
[0:49:16 – 0:49:18] Erik: It’s perfectly punctuated.
[0:49:19 – 0:49:23] Erik: There’s a hyphen, commas, another hyphen, and so on.
[0:49:24 – 0:49:24] Adam: And so on.
[0:49:24 – 0:49:25] Adam: I like that.
[0:49:25 – 0:49:28] Adam: And the hand gesture you accompanied with that.
[0:49:28 – 0:49:32] Erik: So that, I mean, that’s like, that is the definite, almost the definition of a map right there.
[0:49:32 – 0:49:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:33 – 0:49:35] Erik: And then in terms of the scale.
[0:49:37 – 0:49:39] Erik: Large is small.
[0:49:40 – 0:49:46] Erik: Simply defined, scale is the relationship between distance on the map and distance on the ground.
[0:49:47 – 0:49:53] Erik: A map scale might be given in a drawing, but it is usually given as a fraction or a ratio.
[0:49:53 – 0:50:02] Erik: One slash 10,000 or one dot dot colon 10,000.
[0:50:04 – 0:50:14] Erik: These representative fraction scales mean that one unit of measurement on the map, one inch or one centimeter, represents 10,000 of the same units on the ground.
[0:50:16 – 0:50:20] Erik: This might seem simple to people, maybe, but this was kind of a learning experience.
[0:50:21 – 0:50:24] Erik: day for me on this whole scale thing.
[0:50:24 – 0:50:30] Erik: So if the scale were 1 to 63,360 for instance, then one inch on the map would represent 63,360 inches of
[0:50:37 – 0:50:43] Erik: or one mile on the ground because 63,360 divided by 12 inches equals 5,280 feet or one mile.
[0:50:43 – 0:50:45] Erik: So to get a one to one, one mile to one inch map is a one to 63,360,000.
[0:50:45 – 0:50:49] Erik: That’s the scale you’re looking for if you want one to one.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:53] Erik: And then that geo is one to 70,000, which means that each inch is like 1.1 mile.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:10] Adam: So it’s a little bit more zoomed out.
[0:51:10 – 0:51:15] Erik: So the first number, map distance, is always one.
[0:51:16 – 0:51:20] Erik: The second number, ground distance, is different for each scale.
[0:51:21 – 0:51:25] Erik: The larger the second number is, the smaller the scale of the map.
[0:51:26 – 0:51:31] Adam: So if the Nat Geo is 1 to 70,000, what’s this big map, like 1 to 250,000?
[0:51:31 – 0:51:31] Adam: Uh…
[0:51:33 – 0:51:36] Erik: I think it’s probably pretty close to Chris Mark.
[0:51:36 – 0:51:39] Adam: It’s just an overall bigger map, too.
[0:51:39 – 0:51:42] Adam: Does it say underneath the north directional there?
[0:51:43 – 0:51:44] Erik: It doesn’t give a scale.
[0:51:44 – 0:51:47] Adam: Yeah, I don’t see a scale on here, but I’m sure it has one.
[0:51:47 – 0:51:48] Adam: They always do.
[0:51:48 – 0:51:51] Erik: This paragraph started by, they always do.
[0:51:52 – 0:51:55] Erik: That’s why this one started by saying large is small.
[0:51:56 – 0:51:57] Erik: Just a little bit more here.
[0:51:58 – 0:52:00] Erik: The larger the number, the smaller the scale.
[0:52:00 – 0:52:02] Erik: Sounds confusing, but it is easy to understand.
[0:52:03 – 0:52:14] Erik: A map of an area 100 miles long by 100 miles wide drawn at a scale of 1 to 63,360 would be more than 8 feet across.
[0:52:15 – 0:52:21] Erik: To make this map a more convenient size, either the scale used or the amount of area included must be reduced.
[0:52:21 – 0:52:43] Adam: i always like a map that shows the bigger picture and then like a little square of where the map is located like in the corner here uh the nat geo also does this pretty nicely on the back here uh upside down but map scale yeah i like it i like having that little like zoom out and then like what the map is focusing on too
[0:52:44 – 0:52:53] Erik: So the last paragraph of this very academic and well put together, straightforward map scales page.
[0:52:53 – 0:52:56] Erik: This is like probably just like a thesis project for some grad student back in the 70s.
[0:52:58 – 0:53:01] Erik: Many areas have been mapped at different scales.
[0:53:01 – 0:53:05] Erik: When choosing a map, that is when choosing a scale…
[0:53:06 – 0:53:09] Erik: The most important consideration is its intended use.
[0:53:10 – 0:53:19] Erik: A town engineer, for instance, may need a very detailed map in order to precisely locate house lots, power and water lines, and streets and alleys in a community.
[0:53:20 – 0:53:24] Erik: A commonly used scale for this purpose is 1 to 600.
[0:53:24 – 0:53:26] Erik: Wow, all right.
[0:53:27 – 0:53:27] Erik: Three digits.
[0:53:28 – 0:53:34] Erik: Yeah, this scale is so large that many features, such as buildings, roads, railroad tracks…
[0:53:36 – 0:53:39] Erik: And there’s no other thing that makes the sect.
[0:53:39 – 0:53:41] Erik: I’m criticizing it now.
[0:53:41 – 0:53:44] Erik: There’s two commas, but then like not an and.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:45] Erik: So that’s hard to read.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:50] Erik: Anyway, that are usually represented on smaller scale maps by symbols can be drawn to scale.
[0:53:50 – 0:53:53] Erik: So you can actually draw like a fire hydrant.
[0:53:53 – 0:53:53] Erik: Right.
[0:53:53 – 0:53:54] Erik: Makes sense.
[0:53:54 – 0:53:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:55 – 0:53:56] Adam: Like that’s a fire hydrant.
[0:53:56 – 0:53:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:53:57 – 0:53:57] Erik: Um.
[0:53:59 – 0:54:06] Erik: And then there is at the bottom of this little page, we’ll add this whole PDF to the show notes as well with a link.
[0:54:08 – 0:54:13] Erik: Yeah, so we definitely nailed, which I learned, 1 to 63,360.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:14] Erik: That’s a 1 to 1.
[0:54:14 – 0:54:14] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:54:14 – 0:54:24] Adam: And so I don’t know if we’ll get to the fishers later, but the fishers are…
[0:54:25 – 0:54:27] Erik: They don’t say right on the map.
[0:54:27 – 0:54:31] Adam: They don’t say, but it’s 1.5 miles equals an inch.
[0:54:31 – 0:54:35] Erik: Which would be, I think, based on this chart here, about 1 to 100,000.
[0:54:35 – 0:54:37] Erik: It’s a 1 to 100.
[0:54:37 – 0:54:38] Erik: 1 to like 95,000.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:40] Erik: Something like that.
[0:54:40 – 0:54:42] Erik: Because 1 to 100,000 is 1.6 miles.
[0:54:42 – 0:54:46] Adam: It’s definitely more zoomed in than the Nat Geos, but not as zoomed in as the McKenzie.
[0:54:47 – 0:54:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:47 – 0:54:48] Adam: Is that correct?
[0:54:49 – 0:54:49] Adam: I believe it is.
[0:54:49 – 0:54:51] Erik: Yes, that is correct.
[0:54:51 – 0:54:55] Erik: So I think we’ve got the science of the scales out of the way.
[0:54:55 – 0:54:57] Adam: Yeah, I mean, I think that’s important to get to that.
[0:54:57 – 0:55:02] Adam: And I had been making some notes all day thinking about maps before we recorded.
[0:55:03 – 0:55:05] Adam: And then you got here and you were like, what’s the scale all about?
[0:55:06 – 0:55:07] Adam: And so we had to research that first.
[0:55:07 – 0:55:09] Adam: And I’m really glad you brought that up.
[0:55:09 – 0:55:11] Adam: See, this is why two minds are better than one.
[0:55:11 – 0:55:12] Adam: Two minds are better than one.
[0:55:12 – 0:55:15] Adam: We got to be able to come at these maps from every angle conceivable.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:17] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:55:18 – 0:55:23] Erik: Like the most real-time update to the float plane situation.
[0:55:24 – 0:55:26] Erik: I literally just received an email.
[0:55:26 – 0:55:26] Adam: Oh, boy.
[0:55:27 – 0:55:29] Adam: This is from Rojo.
[0:55:29 – 0:55:29] Adam: Yes.
[0:55:30 – 0:55:31] Adam: He emailed us.
[0:55:31 – 0:55:35] Erik: He was in the park this past weekend and saw the same float plane that was described.
[0:55:36 – 0:55:41] Erik: It was headed in a northwest direction, probably parallel to the Gunflint Trail.
[0:55:41 – 0:55:47] Erik: I was on Allen Lake when I spotted, so it was likely above Swallow or Meads.
[0:55:47 – 0:55:52] Erik: This was on the 17th of August at about 1 p.m. Wow.
[0:55:52 – 0:55:53] Erik: More details.
[0:55:53 – 0:55:54] Erik: Plane plague.
[0:55:55 – 0:55:56] Adam: Hashtag plane plague.
[0:55:57 – 0:55:57] Adam: Thanks, Rojo.
[0:55:57 – 0:55:59] Erik: Thanks for the beer as well.
[0:55:59 – 0:55:59] Erik: We missed you.
[0:55:59 – 0:56:00] Erik: I am very sorry about that.
[0:56:01 – 0:56:01] Adam: I can’t believe we missed him.
[0:56:02 – 0:56:02] Adam: Yeah, so…
[0:56:03 – 0:56:10] Adam: Well, I think this lays a good foundation for us to now discuss the maps of our hour maps.
[0:56:11 – 0:56:12] Erik: Do we want to start from our preferred?
[0:56:12 – 0:56:15] Erik: Or do we want to classify them?
[0:56:16 – 0:56:26] Adam: I kind of had mine organized like I got some of these bigger regional maps and then some fun novelty maps and then my key maps that I actually use on a trip.
[0:56:26 – 0:56:31] Adam: And then just some backup maps, which I have, which I just wanted to give a shout out to, but I don’t really use.
[0:56:31 – 0:56:32] Erik: Well, yeah, I don’t think there’s…
[0:56:32 – 0:56:34] Erik: So I don’t know what the priority is there, but…
[0:56:34 – 0:56:35] Erik: I don’t think that there’s…
[0:56:35 – 0:56:43] Erik: I mean, I think it’ll become obvious, but I don’t think we need to be, like, super, like, clear on, like, this is the best map to use.
[0:56:44 – 0:56:44] Erik: It’s…
[0:56:44 – 0:56:48] Erik: I think with everything, obviously, if you’re on episode 68 at this point…
[0:56:49 – 0:56:49] Erik: These are tips.
[0:56:49 – 0:56:50] Erik: These are our opinions.
[0:56:50 – 0:56:53] Erik: These are our subjective experiences.
[0:56:53 – 0:56:55] Erik: Take what you will from them.
[0:56:56 – 0:56:59] Erik: We’re not authorities on any of these ideas or figures.
[0:56:59 – 0:57:04] Adam: As you can see, if you’re watching the YouTube video, I use a lot of different maps.
[0:57:05 – 0:57:10] Adam: Just like when I’m disc golfing, I don’t always throw the Grimm here for every shot.
[0:57:10 – 0:57:13] Adam: Adjust to what you’re trying to do in the moment.
[0:57:13 – 0:57:17] Erik: I love the name of the subtitle of the Grimm.
[0:57:17 – 0:57:41] Adam: understandable distance driver yeah that’s what it says it says understable eric i know i know but it should be understandable now every time i see that i’m gonna remember that it is an understand that actually is a better description of how the thing flies it’s a really fast disc but very understandable i like it actually that’s perfect uh i’m gonna have to i’m gonna have to send a costa plasta email
[0:57:41 – 0:57:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:57:41 – 0:57:46] Erik: So, I mean, before we go into the details, it’s going to become apparent which ones we prefer.
[0:57:46 – 0:57:46] Erik: Yeah.
[0:57:46 – 0:57:47] Erik: That doesn’t mean they’re the best.
[0:57:47 – 0:57:48] Erik: No.
[0:57:48 – 0:57:49] Erik: It just means it’s the ones that we find.
[0:57:49 – 0:57:51] Erik: We will make criticisms.
[0:57:51 – 0:57:55] Erik: I think I have some problems with certain maps, things I like about other ones.
[0:57:55 – 0:58:01] Erik: And they have different uses, whether that’s a pre-trip planning map and in the field map.
[0:58:02 – 0:58:02] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:02 – 0:58:05] Erik: Or one that you can put lines on and show where I’ve been.
[0:58:05 – 0:58:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:05 – 0:58:07] Erik: There’s a map for every occasion.
[0:58:07 – 0:58:08] Erik: I love all maps.
[0:58:09 – 0:58:10] Erik: There’s no map that I don’t like.
[0:58:11 – 0:58:18] Adam: Yeah, I mean, we’ve already talked about a bunch of different online maps that are a big part of my life that are not part of my actual personal map quiver.
[0:58:19 – 0:58:20] Adam: Map quiver.
[0:58:20 – 0:58:23] Adam: Yeah, that’s the name of this episode now, Map Quiver.
[0:58:24 – 0:58:24] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:58:24 – 0:58:25] Erik: We haven’t come up with a map.
[0:58:25 – 0:58:30] Adam: Or some sort of quip on the Carmen Sandiego line.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:35] Adam: Where in the park is Eric Sandiego?
[0:58:35 – 0:58:36] Erik: Eric Sandiego?
[0:58:36 – 0:58:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:58:38 – 0:58:40] Adam: Alright, should we take a break quick before we get into the maps?
[0:58:40 – 0:58:41] Adam: Another break?
[0:58:41 – 0:58:43] Erik: Sure, why not?
[0:58:44 – 0:58:44] Erik: The loot.
[0:58:46 – 0:58:47] Erik: Alright.
[0:58:48 – 0:58:49] Erik: We’re gonna get into it now.
[0:58:49 – 0:58:50] Erik: The nitty gritty.
[0:58:50 – 0:58:53] Erik: Only an hour in and we’re finally actually talking about maps.
[0:58:54 – 0:58:58] Adam: One hour in and it’s time for paper maps.
[0:58:59 – 0:58:59] Erik: Paper?
[0:59:00 – 0:59:01] Adam: Paper maps.
[0:59:01 – 0:59:06] Adam: Yeah, we gotta get the loons in with the Carmen Sandiego.
[0:59:07 – 0:59:08] Adam: Wait, that was the Guts theme, actually.
[0:59:08 – 0:59:09] Adam: I know, yes.
[0:59:09 – 0:59:09] Adam: Yeah.
[0:59:10 – 0:59:11] Adam: Thank you for picking up on that.
[0:59:11 – 0:59:14] Adam: I am an avid watcher of Guts.
[0:59:14 – 0:59:15] Adam: That’s why you’re my friend.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:20] Adam: I just was asking Natalie the other day, because there’s so much damn Spongebob memes on the Reddit.
[0:59:20 – 0:59:22] Adam: And I was like, you know, I actually never…
[0:59:22 – 0:59:23] Adam: It kind of missed me.
[0:59:23 – 0:59:23] Adam: Like, I was…
[0:59:24 – 0:59:24] Adam: I never…
[0:59:25 – 0:59:27] Erik: I wish Spongebob memes would just die.
[0:59:27 – 0:59:28] Adam: I don’t mind them.
[0:59:28 – 0:59:28] Adam: They’re fun.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:30] Adam: But I don’t…
[0:59:30 – 0:59:31] Adam: I’ve never watched it.
[0:59:31 – 0:59:32] Adam: I’m like…
[0:59:33 – 0:59:34] Adam: I was like, oh, I don’t want to watch all.
[0:59:34 – 0:59:37] Adam: There’s like 30 seasons of Spongebob, but I would like to watch some.
[0:59:37 – 0:59:41] Adam: I was like, is Spongebob on Netflix?
[0:59:41 – 0:59:42] Adam: Where do you go to watch Spongebob these days?
[0:59:43 – 0:59:45] Adam: If anybody can help me out, hit me up on Instagram.
[0:59:46 – 0:59:48] Adam: I’d love to just watch like three episodes of Spongebob.
[0:59:49 – 0:59:54] Erik: Adam’s using the podcast to figure out where to watch Spongebob.
[0:59:55 – 0:59:58] Adam: The real question is, to hell with Spongebob.
[0:59:58 – 1:00:00] Adam: Where can you watch old episodes of Guts?
[1:00:00 – 1:00:02] Erik: Oh, yeah, Marco Mali.
[1:00:02 – 1:00:03] Adam: Or Carmen Sandiego.
[1:00:03 – 1:00:06] Erik: What was the name of the ref, the English referee?
[1:00:06 – 1:00:06] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:00:07 – 1:00:08] Adam: There’s no way.
[1:00:08 – 1:00:09] Adam: I can’t believe you know the host.
[1:00:09 – 1:00:10] Adam: Marco Mali.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:12] Adam: All I know is that you got to get to the top of the crag.
[1:00:13 – 1:00:14] Adam: Agro crag.
[1:00:14 – 1:00:16] Adam: Agro crag and slam that button, baby.
[1:00:17 – 1:00:18] Adam: Watch out for the fog machine.
[1:00:19 – 1:00:22] Adam: So, yeah, Eric Sandiego.
[1:00:22 – 1:00:23] Erik: Her name was Mo.
[1:00:23 – 1:00:27] Adam: Mo, thank you for the internet.
[1:00:27 – 1:00:28] Erik: Check on the fly.
[1:00:29 – 1:00:30] Erik: Oh, it was short for Moira.
[1:00:31 – 1:00:31] Erik: Moira.
[1:00:31 – 1:00:32] Erik: Oh, yeah, Moira.
[1:00:32 – 1:00:33] Erik: Moira Quirk.
[1:00:34 – 1:00:36] Adam: We should have her on the show.
[1:00:36 – 1:00:38] Erik: Whatever happened to Moe from Guts?
[1:00:38 – 1:00:42] Adam: Well, maybe not her, but we should get a show referee to keep us in line.
[1:00:43 – 1:00:46] Erik: How many times have we been whistled already on this episode?
[1:00:46 – 1:00:49] Adam: Back on topic.
[1:00:49 – 1:00:51] Adam: Ty1, he has like a ref whistle.
[1:00:51 – 1:00:57] Adam: He was blowing it at the fantasy football draft when people were taking too long or being out of sorts.
[1:00:58 – 1:01:02] Erik: This could easily be… Yeah, map episode could easily be like a three-part series if we really wanted to.
[1:01:02 – 1:01:03] Erik: Maybe it should be.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:03] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:01:03 – 1:01:04] Adam: Maybe it should be.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:04] Adam: Yeah.
[1:01:04 – 1:01:06] Adam: Maybe this is the second part.
[1:01:06 – 1:01:06] Adam: Who knows?
[1:01:06 – 1:01:09] Erik: Maybe we could just do… No, this is not part two.
[1:01:09 – 1:01:10] Erik: This is still part one.
[1:01:10 – 1:01:17] Erik: But we could just stop and do part two and then do the Reddit responses as a part three.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:18] Erik: Give them more of a chance.
[1:01:19 – 1:01:19] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:01:19 – 1:01:20] Adam: Do we want to make that call?
[1:01:20 – 1:01:22] Adam: I mean, we’re in an hour.
[1:01:23 – 1:01:24] Adam: Is that really a full episode, though?
[1:01:24 – 1:01:31] Adam: I feel like it was like a world-building episode, which is important for a map episode.
[1:01:31 – 1:01:31] Adam: Was it not?
[1:01:32 – 1:01:33] Erik: We are the George R.R.
[1:01:33 – 1:01:33] Erik: Martins of map.
[1:01:33 – 1:01:38] Adam: Do we have a third beer sponsor, though, in the house if we go to a three format?
[1:01:38 – 1:01:38] Adam: No.
[1:01:38 – 1:01:40] Erik: We’re going to have to push on, then.
[1:01:40 – 1:01:42] Adam: We’re going to do it.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:43] Adam: This one’s going to be long.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:43] Adam: Okay.
[1:01:43 – 1:01:47] Adam: And then the next episode, part two of maps, will be more reasonably.
[1:01:47 – 1:01:48] Erik: It’s all going to be responses.
[1:01:48 – 1:01:51] Adam: Yeah, that’s the most important one.
[1:01:51 – 1:01:51] Adam: We’ve got to get to that.
[1:01:51 – 1:01:54] Erik: I definitely don’t have enough battery life or… All right, no.
[1:01:55 – 1:01:55] Adam: We’re going to push on.
[1:01:56 – 1:01:59] Adam: SD card information to record three episodes.
[1:01:59 – 1:02:01] Adam: All right, Eric, San Diego.
[1:02:01 – 1:02:04] Adam: I’m just cradling this sweet… What do you got there in your arms?
[1:02:04 – 1:02:05] Erik: We’re starting with…
[1:02:06 – 1:02:06] Erik: This thing.
[1:02:07 – 1:02:08] Erik: This is the Godfather…
[1:02:11 – 1:02:12] Erik: Of maps, I think.
[1:02:13 – 1:02:16] Erik: And it is not for navigational use.
[1:02:16 – 1:02:17] Erik: No.
[1:02:18 – 1:02:24] Erik: But primarily for sitting in the cabin and preparing for your next trip.
[1:02:25 – 1:02:32] Erik: This is the Fisher Maps Canoe Country of the Superior Quetico Area Map Book.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:35] Erik: Maybe the largest printed book ever.
[1:02:36 – 1:02:57] Adam: yeah on earth you can get that in town for like 16 bucks too or online i’m sure i got it from wa fisher this is no 20 now price has gone up 95 yeah i had one that book that has the awesome historic map in the front with i love that map in the front i had that in my outhouse for a good five years when i first moved up here i would just sit in the outhouse looking at that
[1:02:58 – 1:03:14] Adam: that the the original like region map with all the little hand drawings of like the rabbit hunter and butless butless chaps tumplines a lot of the stuff we were talking about on the grand portage episode is illustrated here that’s worth the price of the whole book just for that one map
[1:03:14 – 1:03:18] Erik: It’s an incredible historic artist’s rendering.
[1:03:18 – 1:03:20] Erik: That’s another aspect of maps we haven’t talked about.
[1:03:20 – 1:03:21] Erik: I do like the artist’s rendering.
[1:03:21 – 1:03:22] Erik: It’s the artist’s rendering.
[1:03:22 – 1:03:23] Adam: Yeah, hand-drawn map.
[1:03:23 – 1:03:25] Adam: I like to draw people maps.
[1:03:25 – 1:03:26] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:26 – 1:03:29] Adam: I mean, just like, hey, what are you talking about?
[1:03:29 – 1:03:33] Adam: And I’ll quick do a sketch of the lake we were on and kind of what I’m talking about.
[1:03:33 – 1:03:38] Adam: I feel like I’ve got a pretty good GPS in my mind as is.
[1:03:38 – 1:03:47] Adam: As we’ve noted earlier, in the fall of my life now, my processors aren’t as fast as they once were.
[1:03:48 – 1:03:49] Adam: My RAM is not sufficient.
[1:03:50 – 1:03:51] Erik: Running Windows XP?
[1:03:51 – 1:03:51] Erik: Yeah.
[1:03:52 – 1:03:52] Adam: Oh, 3.1.
[1:03:53 – 1:03:53] Adam: Ooh.
[1:03:53 – 1:03:53] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:53 – 1:03:54] Adam: I like 3.1, or like OS 8.2.
[1:03:54 – 1:03:54] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:54 – 1:03:54] Adam: Android 5.
[1:03:55 – 1:03:55] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:03:55 – 1:03:56] Adam: This map booklet…
[1:04:08 – 1:04:34] Erik: very cool it’s not even a booklet it’s what’s the opposite of a let uh adding things onto a word you know like a booklet implies that it’s kind of small like a book like a maxed out book it’s literally like a like a book of maps but they’re full blown pages and bookish no no it would be like billboardish
[1:04:35 – 1:04:36] Adam: A book board-ish?
[1:04:36 – 1:04:38] Adam: It’s book board-ish.
[1:04:38 – 1:04:43] Erik: And anyway, it’s, again, doesn’t give you the size or the official scale.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:45] Adam: I think they’re generally the same size.
[1:04:45 – 1:04:52] Adam: They’re a little smaller than the corresponding actual Fisher map and with a little less detail.
[1:04:52 – 1:04:54] Erik: Less detail and then larger area.
[1:04:54 – 1:04:56] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[1:04:56 – 1:04:57] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:04:57 – 1:05:00] Erik: I mean, I’m sure you could navigate with them, but they’re not waterproof paper.
[1:05:01 – 1:05:02] Erik: It’s just like the paper…
[1:05:03 – 1:05:25] Adam: yeah you wouldn’t want to take these on a trip these are for um a lot of people i have done this um you’ve i know you’ve done this is you cut them out and then you like put them together up on your wall this is the original of this map you could have a bunch of these pages cut out and like pinned together up on the wall to line up right yeah to have a you could have a whole map wall in your little cabin
[1:05:25 – 1:05:31] Erik: That’s one thing we haven’t even talked about is how I used to just wallpaper like half of my room.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:32] Adam: Using that basically.
[1:05:32 – 1:05:33] Adam: With that book.
[1:05:33 – 1:05:34] Erik: Fisher maps.
[1:05:34 – 1:05:35] Adam: Yeah, I’ve done that.
[1:05:35 – 1:05:40] Adam: And then like when they got kind of like after a few moves, they were kind of ratting out on me.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:44] Adam: So then I ended up using them all as like wrapping paper for there’s a good three years.
[1:05:44 – 1:05:47] Adam: There were all my gifts were wrapped in old Fisher maps.
[1:05:48 – 1:05:48] Adam: Yeah.
[1:05:48 – 1:05:50] Erik: Oh, yeah, that’s cool.
[1:05:50 – 1:05:52] Adam: That’s a pretty cool wrapping paper, I got to say.
[1:05:53 – 1:05:55] Adam: Or I make, like, envelopes for cards for people out of maps.
[1:05:55 – 1:05:56] Adam: Yes, I remember.
[1:05:56 – 1:06:06] Erik: I have received a few Christmas slash birthday gift items in Fisher, the paper, non, like, waterproof style.
[1:06:06 – 1:06:10] Adam: Yeah, I used to just, like, have them all in a bin, and then it’s like, okay, I need some wrapping paper.
[1:06:10 – 1:06:12] Adam: Like, go grab, like, the old F30 wrapping paper.
[1:06:14 – 1:06:15] Erik: That’s the big one.
[1:06:15 – 1:06:19] Erik: I would say that one’s classified as a trip planning map and nostalgic.
[1:06:20 – 1:06:21] Erik: Or just home decor.
[1:06:23 – 1:06:25] Adam: And also wallpaper.
[1:06:25 – 1:06:28] Adam: A lot of uses for that one.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:30] Adam: The last one I had a pretty good life out of it.
[1:06:30 – 1:06:32] Adam: I think it’s mostly gone now.
[1:06:32 – 1:06:34] Adam: I probably am due to buy a new version of that, but
[1:06:35 – 1:06:38] Adam: As I said, for $20, one of the best $20 you’re ever going to spend.
[1:06:38 – 1:06:43] Adam: I guess while we’re on just big super area maps of the region, of course, we’ve mentioned this a few times.
[1:06:44 – 1:06:50] Adam: Here in Studio K, we have this wonderful map that Eric gave me as a gift for our wedding last year.
[1:06:51 – 1:06:52] Adam: I guess it was for the wedding.
[1:06:53 – 1:06:53] Adam: It was like a pre-gift.
[1:06:53 – 1:06:55] Erik: It was like a bachelor boy.
[1:06:55 – 1:07:00] Adam: Bachelor boy gift, and he drew in all of our routes.
[1:07:00 – 1:07:03] Adam: Can we get a shout out for the company that you got this from again?
[1:07:03 – 1:07:05] Erik: This is a guy on Etsy.
[1:07:05 – 1:07:07] Erik: DCN Maps.
[1:07:08 – 1:07:12] Erik: That’s capital D-C-N lowercase maps.
[1:07:13 – 1:07:22] Erik: On Etsy, the only place I’ve been able to find a comprehensive and collective those are both the same meaning words.
[1:07:22 – 1:07:22] Erik: I’m sorry.
[1:07:23 – 1:07:25] Erik: But it’s the entire park on one map.
[1:07:26 – 1:07:26] Erik: It cuts off a little bit of Querico.
[1:07:26 – 1:07:28] Erik: It’s all million acres.
[1:07:28 – 1:07:28] Adam: Yeah, but it’s
[1:07:28 – 1:07:54] Erik: got all the million acres of the bwca for sure and then and because fisher has a uh a map where it’s got all of quetico and the most and most of the boundary waters yeah but it cuts off the vento unit that’s true so this is the one we’re looking at right now this big i don’t know what would you call it like three by six three by four five three by maybe three by four um like glossy
[1:07:57 – 1:07:58] Erik: There goes the tumble hum.
[1:07:58 – 1:07:59] Erik: It’s fine.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:03] Adam: Yeah, it’s a very big.
[1:08:03 – 1:08:13] Erik: And then I have the one in the Clearwater Outfitting Building, which is a, it’s got a sticky back and it came in sheets.
[1:08:13 – 1:08:20] Erik: So you can just like stick it on the wall and it’s like a, that one’s like, I don’t know, that one’s like six by eight.
[1:08:21 – 1:08:22] Erik: That’s a massive wall now.
[1:08:22 – 1:08:23] Erik: That thing’s really big, yeah.
[1:08:23 – 1:08:23] Erik: Yeah.
[1:08:23 – 1:08:24] Adam: Really cool relief.
[1:08:24 – 1:08:26] Adam: This one does also have the relief.
[1:08:27 – 1:08:29] Erik: I like that it has all the PMAs marked.
[1:08:29 – 1:08:32] Erik: It’s got a lot of things on it that none of the other maps have.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:33] Adam: Yeah.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:37] Erik: Which is the PMAs and the Laurentian Divide.
[1:08:37 – 1:08:38] Adam: Yeah.
[1:08:38 – 1:08:39] Erik: Which is very cool.
[1:08:39 – 1:08:46] Erik: Once you paddle around long enough in the area where the Laurentian Divide occurs, just to see where that happens.
[1:08:47 – 1:08:47] Erik: Yeah.
[1:08:47 – 1:08:51] Erik: Like, I was on a guided trip, and we were talking.
[1:08:51 – 1:08:52] Erik: I’m like, actually…
[1:08:53 – 1:08:55] Erik: Because we went down to Cherokee.
[1:08:55 – 1:09:01] Erik: I’m like, we are very close to the Laurentian Divide because everything is flowing north here.
[1:09:02 – 1:09:08] Erik: Where that occurs, I mean, it’s cool to see right on a map how complex that is.
[1:09:08 – 1:09:10] Erik: It’s not just like a straight line.
[1:09:10 – 1:09:12] Erik: And I think it’s, I mean, very accurate.
[1:09:13 – 1:09:20] Erik: I think the only thing that the DCN map doesn’t really have on it is the old fire.
[1:09:22 – 1:09:23] Erik: like the historical fire outlines.
[1:09:24 – 1:09:24] Erik: Sure.
[1:09:25 – 1:09:33] Erik: I think with this one on the big wall, it puts it all in perspective all at once.
[1:09:33 – 1:09:39] Adam: Yeah, and I like, it is sometimes hard to like, you got to kind of squint or get up at it to like see what the names are.
[1:09:39 – 1:09:39] Adam: Yeah.
[1:09:40 – 1:09:44] Adam: But like, it’s just great to have this as the backdrop for the studio.
[1:09:44 – 1:09:46] Adam: It’s like a quick reference point.
[1:09:46 – 1:09:54] Adam: Like no matter what, we can quick find any place in the Boundary Waters and immediately travel there and just kind of get a zoom in on that region.
[1:09:54 – 1:09:56] Adam: So for that alone, it’s awesome.
[1:09:56 – 1:10:01] Adam: And I just enjoy having a one big map where I’ve got a record of everywhere we’ve paddled.
[1:10:01 – 1:10:20] Erik: yeah that’s probably one thing we didn’t mention in the beginning about like why i love and why we love maps it’s also like uh you can record it’s a record it’s a uh something you can draw on like from the past yeah i would say the importance that right there yes when we were there on that portage between adams and beaver
[1:10:20 – 1:10:45] Adam: yes do you remember like i remember what the sky looked like when we were here exactly yeah like i know we had for dinner on that point oh yeah you know i mean yeah it’s this memory lane kind of thing where you can travel back and uh again it’s it’s space and time like maps maps are not just like a picture of the world we live in it’s also like this um vessel for your memories yeah
[1:10:45 – 1:10:46] Erik: The Vessel for Your Memories.
[1:10:46 – 1:10:49] Adam: Wow, and that’s now definitely Vessel for Your Memories Part 1 and 2.
[1:10:49 – 1:10:54] Erik: All right, I got to get into another Min Gold here.
[1:10:54 – 1:10:57] Erik: I was just going to call it Maps, Maps, Maps.
[1:10:57 – 1:10:57] Erik: Maps.
[1:10:57 – 1:11:00] Adam: Well, that would get more clicks, actually, so I’d probably go with that one.
[1:11:01 – 1:11:01] Adam: Probably.
[1:11:02 – 1:11:25] Adam: so uh though i think i mean but yeah i mean i just i mean it used to be the nat geo was my like record because it’s got all the stuff over here but you need a couple nat geos even just for the wonderful to have this here at home and if any of you have your own home outfitting room or recording studio you’re going to want to get one of these for sure well worth the price of admission and
[1:11:26 – 1:11:28] Adam: Yeah, just put all your trips on one map.
[1:11:28 – 1:11:28] Adam: Yeah.
[1:11:28 – 1:11:33] Adam: And then you can always look and like, okay, well, where’s the next spot I want to try and get to?
[1:11:33 – 1:11:34] Adam: Yeah.
[1:11:34 – 1:11:35] Adam: Man, remember the Laos River?
[1:11:35 – 1:11:36] Adam: I do.
[1:11:37 – 1:11:39] Adam: I think that’s an episode this off-season.
[1:11:39 – 1:11:41] Adam: One of the wildest trips we’ve ever been on.
[1:11:41 – 1:11:46] Adam: We reference it often, but yeah, maybe we should do a trip recap episode in the wild.
[1:11:46 – 1:11:47] Adam: I think that’d be fun.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:58] Erik: So I think we should move on next down the line in terms of like trip planning maps that starts bordering on a map you can actually use to navigate with.
[1:11:58 – 1:12:01] Adam: Yeah, well, I’ve got a couple there on big maps here, too.
[1:12:01 – 1:12:02] Adam: You still have big maps.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:05] Adam: Yeah, let’s get a couple of these out of the way, and then we will get into…
[1:12:06 – 1:12:10] Adam: I’ve got a stack of actual maps I would use in the Boundary Waters, but
[1:12:10 – 1:12:13] Adam: These next two maps I would never take with me in the Boundary Waters.
[1:12:13 – 1:12:17] Erik: You wouldn’t bring the ringed Cook County plat book?
[1:12:17 – 1:12:22] Adam: One of them is the 2011, I believe, or 2012, they put this one out.
[1:12:22 – 1:12:24] Adam: It’s the Cook County plat book.
[1:12:24 – 1:12:27] Adam: You can get this at the courthouse, and you must bring cash.
[1:12:27 – 1:12:28] Erik: How much is that these days?
[1:12:29 – 1:12:29] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:12:29 – 1:12:32] Adam: I think these are on sale, actually, because they’re going to be doing a new one finally.
[1:12:32 – 1:12:33] Erik: Right.
[1:12:33 – 1:12:35] Adam: They printed like 20,000 of these, apparently.
[1:12:36 – 1:12:38] Adam: And so this is the most updated version they have.
[1:12:38 – 1:12:41] Adam: They’re like, we’re straight up not printing a new one until these are all sold.
[1:12:41 – 1:12:44] Erik: Well, it’s just dependent on the census.
[1:12:44 – 1:12:46] Adam: Yeah, well, I’m sure they’ll do a new one with the census.
[1:12:47 – 1:12:55] Adam: But I also thought I was told like they would do a new one when they sold these all and then they’d be like, we’ll print because they always have the online map as we’ve already noted.
[1:12:55 – 1:12:59] Adam: If you really want to find out like, yeah, we bought this house, you bought your place.
[1:12:59 – 1:13:04] Adam: Neither of our names are on those parcels on this book because it’s as of 2012.
[1:13:04 – 1:13:07] Adam: But just helpful for if you’re house hunting or land hunting.
[1:13:09 – 1:13:11] Adam: It shows, like, these zoomed-out versions.
[1:13:11 – 1:13:22] Adam: There’s multiple scales in here, and they kind of show, like, a region, and then they’ll zoom in on Devil’s Track Lake, for instance, and they’ll show all the 80,000 parcels of private land on Devil’s Track.
[1:13:22 – 1:13:28] Adam: But they also show a lot of the Boundary Waters stuff, and it’s kind of neat to see in here, like, a lot of stuff’s owned by USA.
[1:13:29 – 1:13:31] Adam: Some of it’s owned by the state of Minnesota.
[1:13:31 – 1:13:34] Adam: It’s, like, funny how you’ll just be in the middle of the Boundary Waters, and there’s this one little, like,
[1:13:35 – 1:13:39] Adam: 40 that’s owned by the state for some reason, like how do they have the university of Minnesota?
[1:13:39 – 1:13:39] Erik: Yeah.
[1:13:39 – 1:13:41] Adam: How do they divvy these up?
[1:13:41 – 1:13:44] Adam: Uh, it would be really interesting to find out more on that, I guess.
[1:13:44 – 1:13:47] Adam: Um, but this is just a good one to find out.
[1:13:47 – 1:13:48] Adam: Um,
[1:13:49 – 1:13:53] Adam: you know, like where private land is, which isn’t very much up here.
[1:13:54 – 1:13:57] Adam: And it’s just kind of a general reference.
[1:13:57 – 1:13:59] Adam: Like you wouldn’t want this map unless you lived up here, I guess.
[1:13:59 – 1:14:07] Adam: But as somebody that now calls this a fine country home, uh, it’s a really an invaluable book.
[1:14:07 – 1:14:10] Adam: I always, I keep it here in studio K and I often reference it.
[1:14:11 – 1:14:13] Adam: Um, there’s a couple of cool things on here I wanted to get into.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:18] Adam: I know, um, it maybe is, uh,
[1:14:18 – 1:14:19] Adam: Well, no, we’re just going to get into it.
[1:14:20 – 1:14:23] Adam: So the total area of Cook County, do you have a guess?
[1:14:24 – 1:14:25] Adam: What?
[1:14:25 – 1:14:26] Adam: It’s in square miles.
[1:14:27 – 1:14:29] Adam: Yeah, how many square miles is Cook County, Minnesota?
[1:14:32 – 1:14:32] Erik: Two million.
[1:14:33 – 1:14:34] Adam: No, no, no.
[1:14:34 – 1:14:37] Adam: Square miles, it’s… Oh, I was thinking in acres.
[1:14:37 – 1:14:38] Adam: You’re in acres probably there.
[1:14:38 – 1:14:39] Adam: Yeah, I’m in acres.
[1:14:39 – 1:14:39] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:14:39 – 1:14:42] Adam: I didn’t convert it to acres, but… No, that’s all right.
[1:14:43 – 1:14:43] Erik: 175,000.
[1:14:46 – 1:14:48] Adam: No, it’s 3,339 square miles.
[1:14:53 – 1:15:08] Adam: But of that 1,889 square miles are water because the actual deeded area for this county includes a vast section of Lake Superior.
[1:15:08 – 1:15:09] Adam: Okay.
[1:15:09 – 1:15:18] Adam: And I don’t know if they’re actually breaking down the lakes too or the inland rivers and lakes or if that is strictly, it’s mostly, it’s 56.5% water.
[1:15:21 – 1:15:25] Adam: and 43.4% land.
[1:15:25 – 1:15:27] Erik: It’s over half water.
[1:15:27 – 1:15:32] Adam: Yeah, it’s more than half water, according to this, which is, I think, pretty fun.
[1:15:32 – 1:15:36] Erik: Should have saved that information for the episode on Cook County.
[1:15:37 – 1:15:38] Adam: Well, we’re going to kind of…
[1:15:38 – 1:15:39] Adam: I want to just…
[1:15:40 – 1:15:42] Adam: This is my favorite part of this map, is this information.
[1:15:42 – 1:15:43] Adam: That is good information.
[1:15:43 – 1:15:49] Adam: Yeah, I like it for the… You can find out where Jeffrey and Eleanor Lewis have their 127…
[1:15:51 – 1:15:52] Erik: I might have to bleep that name out.
[1:15:52 – 1:15:53] Erik: Yeah, you may want to.
[1:15:53 – 1:15:54] Erik: That’s public information.
[1:15:54 – 1:15:55] Adam: That’s fine.
[1:15:55 – 1:15:56] Adam: You can go buy this at the courthouse.
[1:15:56 – 1:15:56] Erik: Right.
[1:15:57 – 1:15:59] Adam: But I really like just these stats.
[1:15:59 – 1:16:05] Adam: As of 2010, there was 5,176 people in the county.
[1:16:05 – 1:16:10] Adam: That’s 3.6 per square mile, but I’m guessing that includes the lake acreage as well.
[1:16:10 – 1:16:12] Adam: I looked up the modern data now.
[1:16:12 – 1:16:13] Adam: We’re up to 5,398.
[1:16:16 – 1:16:20] Adam: It was the latest information available as far as the population of Cook County.
[1:16:20 – 1:16:20] Adam: 6,000?
[1:16:21 – 1:16:22] Adam: Not even.
[1:16:22 – 1:16:22] Adam: 5,300.
[1:16:22 – 1:16:25] Adam: 5,400 almost.
[1:16:25 – 1:16:27] Adam: 5,400 people live here year-round, I guess.
[1:16:27 – 1:16:28] Adam: That’s crazy.
[1:16:28 – 1:16:29] Adam: I mean, yeah.
[1:16:29 – 1:16:31] Adam: This time of year, there’s way more than that up here.
[1:16:31 – 1:16:32] Erik: Why are there not more?
[1:16:32 – 1:16:32] Erik: Why?
[1:16:32 – 1:16:33] Erik: Well, it’s crazy.
[1:16:33 – 1:16:39] Adam: So then I got to thinking like, okay, so just the land area of Cook County is 1,400 square miles.
[1:16:42 – 1:16:46] Adam: 1,400 square miles, that’s still more than Rhode Island.
[1:16:47 – 1:16:51] Adam: Rhode Island, I have their total square mileage, which includes some ocean stuff.
[1:16:51 – 1:16:53] Adam: Then I also looked up their just land too.
[1:16:53 – 1:16:54] Adam: Some ocean stuff.
[1:16:54 – 1:16:55] Adam: Yeah, whatever.
[1:16:55 – 1:16:58] Adam: They don’t have as much coastline as we do.
[1:16:58 – 1:16:59] Erik: They have way more people.
[1:17:00 – 1:17:01] Adam: Yes, we’re about to get to that.
[1:17:01 – 1:17:02] Adam: All right.
[1:17:02 – 1:17:05] Adam: So Rhode Island, I just looked up land versus land.
[1:17:05 – 1:17:07] Adam: Cook County, Minnesota is bigger than Rhode Island.
[1:17:08 – 1:17:09] Adam: That’s crazy.
[1:17:09 – 1:17:11] Adam: Delaware is barely bigger.
[1:17:11 – 1:17:13] Adam: There’s two states put together.
[1:17:13 – 1:17:18] Adam: They don’t equal our total area with the lake because they’re on the ocean.
[1:17:18 – 1:17:24] Adam: They only get to go out like 10 miles, whereas we’ve got this whole sliver of Lake Superior apparently as part of our county.
[1:17:24 – 1:17:24] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[1:17:25 – 1:17:26] Adam: Yeah, so whatever.
[1:17:26 – 1:17:29] Adam: Rhode Island’s a pretty comparable landmass to Cook County.
[1:17:30 – 1:17:33] Adam: There’s 5,000 or whatever, 5,400 people here.
[1:17:33 – 1:17:36] Adam: Do you know how many people live in Rhode Island?
[1:17:36 – 1:17:39] Adam: It’s a smaller place than Cook County, by the way.
[1:17:39 – 1:17:43] Erik: I mean, I know Wyoming is the least populated state, and that’s like half a million.
[1:17:44 – 1:17:46] Erik: So I would say it’s probably like…
[1:17:49 – 1:17:51] Erik: I mean, it’s got to be at least a million people.
[1:17:51 – 1:17:52] Adam: Slightly over a million people.
[1:17:53 – 1:17:56] Adam: Can you imagine if there’s a million people in Cook County?
[1:17:57 – 1:17:57] Erik: No.
[1:17:57 – 1:17:58] Erik: I mean, it feels like there is right now.
[1:17:59 – 1:18:01] Adam: Yeah, like that’s August in Cook County.
[1:18:01 – 1:18:03] Adam: And so everybody from Rhode Island’s here.
[1:18:03 – 1:18:06] Erik: It feels like there’s a million people in the area right now.
[1:18:07 – 1:18:08] Adam: So that was fun.
[1:18:08 – 1:18:11] Adam: Delaware has a little bit more land, but they don’t have quite a million.
[1:18:12 – 1:18:12] Adam: They’re a little bit less.
[1:18:13 – 1:18:14] Erik: What’s the ratio then?
[1:18:14 – 1:18:16] Erik: So you gave me the per square.
[1:18:16 – 1:18:19] Adam: It’s 3.6 people per square mile for Cook County.
[1:18:20 – 1:18:27] Adam: I haven’t figured it out for Rhode Island, but obviously a lot more density there.
[1:18:28 – 1:18:32] Adam: Then I just got down this rabbit hole on square mileage, and I kept going.
[1:18:33 – 1:18:41] Adam: The Boundary Waters is 1,700 square miles, and Quetico is like 1,843 hundred, so slightly more in Quetico.
[1:18:41 – 1:18:46] Adam: Together, that’s 3,500 square miles between the Boundary Waters and Quetico.
[1:18:47 – 1:18:49] Adam: That’s bigger than Rhode Island and Delaware put together.
[1:18:49 – 1:18:50] Adam: That’s awesome.
[1:18:50 – 1:18:51] Adam: Of just wilderness.
[1:18:51 – 1:18:53] Adam: It’s almost the state of Connecticut.
[1:18:54 – 1:18:55] Adam: Almost.
[1:18:55 – 1:18:55] Adam: Almost.
[1:18:55 – 1:19:03] Adam: And funny enough, the total square mileage of the boundary waters in Quetico is about what they list for Cook County.
[1:19:04 – 1:19:04] Adam: It’s almost the same.
[1:19:05 – 1:19:07] Adam: It’s literally off by 100 for square miles.
[1:19:07 – 1:19:11] Adam: But again, that includes a lot of the lake out there, which is fine.
[1:19:11 – 1:19:11] Adam: That is our lake.
[1:19:11 – 1:19:16] Adam: That’s why I like living up here on the world’s greatest freshwater lake.
[1:19:16 – 1:19:20] Adam: It is the world’s greatest freshwater resource as well.
[1:19:20 – 1:19:21] Adam: Let’s keep it fresh, baby.
[1:19:21 – 1:19:27] Erik: Take off the Trout Lake unit and the Vento unit.
[1:19:28 – 1:19:31] Erik: Those numbers are all concentrated wilderness.
[1:19:31 – 1:19:32] Erik: They’re not fragmented.
[1:19:32 – 1:19:33] Adam: No, it’s crazy.
[1:19:34 – 1:19:37] Adam: If anybody that’s not been up here before is listening or…
[1:19:38 – 1:19:41] Adam: just hasn’t really contemplated this, that’s what we’re saying.
[1:19:41 – 1:19:52] Adam: Between the Boundary Waters and the Quetico, just those two parks put together, that’s a vast wilderness that you can just paddle around and camp in that’s bigger than multiple states.
[1:19:52 – 1:19:53] Erik: Yeah.
[1:19:53 – 1:19:54] Adam: It’s huge.
[1:19:54 – 1:19:55] Erik: Yeah, it’s great.
[1:19:55 – 1:19:57] Erik: I’ve always liked that about it up here.
[1:19:57 – 1:19:58] Erik: Yeah, I love that they’re together.
[1:19:58 – 1:20:00] Adam: Yeah, that they combine.
[1:20:00 – 1:20:06] Adam: Yeah, it’s literally like if you put Rhode Island and Delaware together somehow…
[1:20:07 – 1:20:14] Adam: and included their ocean stuff, it still wouldn’t be as big as this combined Quetico Superior Wilderness.
[1:20:15 – 1:20:20] Adam: which is intact, beautiful, and should be visited often.
[1:20:20 – 1:20:21] Erik: And protected.
[1:20:21 – 1:20:24] Adam: Anyways, I spent more time on that map.
[1:20:24 – 1:20:29] Adam: But once I started thinking about it, this is also a good way to start on just the region.
[1:20:29 – 1:20:31] Adam: It gives you an idea of where we’re living up here.
[1:20:32 – 1:20:37] Adam: If you’re not from up here and if you’ve visited a few times, I’m sure you’ve got the idea.
[1:20:37 – 1:20:40] Adam: But, yeah, the Cook County Plattebook, very fun to look at.
[1:20:41 – 1:20:48] Adam: And in a similar vein, we’re not going to spend nearly as much time on this one, is the Sportsman’s Connection All Outdoors Atlas.
[1:20:48 – 1:20:49] Adam: This is the big brown one.
[1:20:50 – 1:20:56] Adam: There’s like a red and blue one I used to have when I lived in Wisconsin because there’s only two for Wisconsin.
[1:20:56 – 1:20:58] Adam: This one, there’s three of these books for Minnesota.
[1:20:58 – 1:21:00] Adam: I have the Northeastern Minnesota one.
[1:21:01 – 1:21:04] Adam: This one goes with me in my car at all times.
[1:21:04 – 1:21:06] Adam: I pulled it out of the car just for this episode.
[1:21:06 – 1:21:10] Adam: This is just very like the whole Northeastern section of the state.
[1:21:11 – 1:21:17] Adam: There’s a lot of good stuff in here, especially for like the National Forest Service campgrounds and like back roads.
[1:21:18 – 1:21:19] Erik: Shows a lot of like what’s public, what’s private.
[1:21:19 – 1:21:28] Adam: Yeah, like I can go anywhere in this vast and very desolately populated county and never get lost if I have my big brown map with me.
[1:21:29 – 1:21:29] Adam: Big brown map.
[1:21:29 – 1:21:32] Adam: So this is my road map because there’s, I think…
[1:21:32 – 1:21:33] Adam: Should not be any news to people.
[1:21:33 – 1:21:36] Adam: There’s not cell phone coverage in most of this big county.
[1:21:37 – 1:21:37] Erik: Right.
[1:21:37 – 1:21:40] Adam: And so if you’re actually out driving around, you definitely still want to have a paper map.
[1:21:40 – 1:21:44] Adam: I know that’s probably, in this day and age, it’s an outlier.
[1:21:44 – 1:21:49] Adam: Like, probably most people are, you know, just pull up your phone or ask your GPS in your car.
[1:21:50 – 1:21:53] Adam: Well, you know, that stuff doesn’t work up here in most spots.
[1:21:53 – 1:21:54] Adam: So you still need an actual…
[1:21:55 – 1:21:55] Adam: Paper map.
[1:21:55 – 1:21:58] Adam: There’s another one out there, same kind of thing.
[1:21:58 – 1:21:59] Adam: It’s a National Forest Service.
[1:22:00 – 1:22:04] Adam: It’s a Superior National Forest map from the Forest Service.
[1:22:04 – 1:22:05] Erik: Right, that’s a good one.
[1:22:05 – 1:22:07] Adam: You can get that at the Forest Service.
[1:22:08 – 1:22:09] Adam: Joshy Poo’s got one.
[1:22:09 – 1:22:10] Adam: He swears by it.
[1:22:10 – 1:22:12] Adam: Buddy Adrian likes to use that map.
[1:22:12 – 1:22:15] Adam: It’s just a big kind of the same thing, like a big area map.
[1:22:15 – 1:22:16] Erik: It’s a road navigation.
[1:22:16 – 1:22:20] Adam: Yeah, it’s more for driving, but it has a lot of neat info on it.
[1:22:20 – 1:22:21] Erik: It’s got a lot of neat info.
[1:22:21 – 1:22:22] Erik: It has not many…
[1:22:23 – 1:22:26] Erik: I mean, it’s applicable to Bodgewaters travel in terms of…
[1:22:26 – 1:22:27] Erik: It’s more of like getting here.
[1:22:27 – 1:22:31] Erik: …getting to the point of going out, but it’s not an on-the-water navigational tool.
[1:22:31 – 1:22:32] Erik: Yeah.
[1:22:32 – 1:22:42] Erik: The other one, National Geographic does make a big atlas very much like that Orisman Connection, whatever that was, that has…
[1:22:43 – 1:22:50] Erik: Essentially the same stuff, but I find that one to be pretty inaccurate with weird names of things and stuff that just doesn’t seem right.
[1:22:51 – 1:22:51] Erik: Right on.
[1:22:51 – 1:22:53] Erik: But that does exist as well.
[1:22:53 – 1:22:55] Erik: I think that’s all of the big picture ones.
[1:22:55 – 1:22:56] Adam: That’s the main ones.
[1:22:56 – 1:23:04] Adam: And yeah, like if you want that, it’s like more of a county map or it’s the whole like, you know, the Forest Service one’s really great.
[1:23:05 – 1:23:05] Adam: It’s got…
[1:23:06 – 1:23:10] Adam: Well, it’s got some information on that one that just isn’t in other maps.
[1:23:11 – 1:23:14] Adam: And it’s really in a convenient size.
[1:23:14 – 1:23:15] Adam: The big brown book is kind of big.
[1:23:15 – 1:23:20] Erik: The convenient size is like the size of the Nat Geo Boundary Waters maps.
[1:23:21 – 1:23:21] Erik: Yeah.
[1:23:21 – 1:23:23] Erik: Slash Chris Mar Quetico maps.
[1:23:23 – 1:23:23] Erik: Right on.
[1:23:25 – 1:23:32] Adam: I got a couple other just random maps when I was going through my pile of maps that I just want to give a quick shout out to and then we can move on to like serious Boundary Waters mapping if that’s okay.
[1:23:32 – 1:23:34] Erik: Which I think you should finish.
[1:23:34 – 1:23:40] Erik: We’ll finish on your rando maps and then we’ll start the second part.
[1:23:40 – 1:23:44] Adam: I think that’s fair because we’re approaching an hour and a half here.
[1:23:44 – 1:23:46] Erik: And then we’ll get to the…
[1:23:46 – 1:23:54] Adam: So I hope this episode had enough information in it to make it interesting as a standalone, even though we’re kind of backloading all the good Boundary Waters map stuff into the second half.
[1:23:54 – 1:24:02] Adam: But I think a lot of this is like base just conversation on how we approach maps and just the…
[1:24:02 – 1:24:04] Erik: Yeah, the numbers behind them.
[1:24:04 – 1:24:06] Erik: It could be a maps podcast.
[1:24:06 – 1:24:07] Erik: We could.
[1:24:07 – 1:24:09] Adam: We should just do more maps episodes.
[1:24:09 – 1:24:13] Adam: Like we do a whole episode about one fissure map.
[1:24:13 – 1:24:14] Adam: That would be fun.
[1:24:14 – 1:24:15] Erik: That would be crazy.
[1:24:15 – 1:24:15] Adam: All right.
[1:24:15 – 1:24:17] Adam: I think that’s a good place to leave it.
[1:24:17 – 1:24:23] Adam: Before we end this episode and move on to part two, we have these.
[1:24:23 – 1:24:25] Adam: If you’re watching the video, these are clearly Natalie’s.
[1:24:26 – 1:24:26] Adam: Whose are those?
[1:24:28 – 1:24:29] Adam: Natalie’s.
[1:24:29 – 1:24:31] Erik: Oh, those are Natalie’s.
[1:24:31 – 1:24:32] Adam: She signed them.
[1:24:32 – 1:24:37] Adam: So I have two Superior hiking trail maps, which they have six of them.
[1:24:37 – 1:24:41] Adam: I have five and six, which are the sections up at the end here.
[1:24:42 – 1:24:44] Adam: And so these are really good.
[1:24:45 – 1:24:47] Adam: And if you like the Boundary Waters…
[1:24:48 – 1:24:49] Adam: Give the Superior Hiking Trail a try.
[1:24:49 – 1:24:53] Adam: It’s free and it is an amazing resource.
[1:24:53 – 1:24:54] Adam: So it’s a lot of fun.
[1:24:54 – 1:24:56] Adam: We have a section that goes right near us.
[1:24:57 – 1:25:02] Adam: And these are really, really great topo on them.
[1:25:03 – 1:25:29] Adam: as you can see very detailed top very detailed topo um anything you would need to and they have the elevation profile on here i really like and so um these are fun just to have around the house is like if we want to take the dog for a little walk in the day just do a small little section there’s a lot of that available or if you ever wanted to like you know really through hike the whole thing which i’ve not gotten to do yet um
[1:25:30 – 1:25:31] Adam: I think that would be cool, too.
[1:25:31 – 1:25:32] Adam: So these are nice.
[1:25:33 – 1:25:34] Adam: Pretty easy to find.
[1:25:34 – 1:25:35] Adam: They’re like two bucks a piece.
[1:25:36 – 1:25:37] Erik: Those are cool.
[1:25:37 – 1:25:40] Erik: I like the topo on them is very detailed.
[1:25:40 – 1:25:41] Erik: Yeah, very fine.
[1:25:41 – 1:25:43] Adam: You can almost visualize the hills.
[1:25:43 – 1:25:43] Adam: It is, yeah.
[1:25:45 – 1:25:49] Adam: So Natalie gave us permission to show her maps on the episode.
[1:25:49 – 1:25:50] Adam: And I also found this one.
[1:25:51 – 1:25:51] Adam: It’s…
[1:25:53 – 1:25:53] Adam: Grand Canyon map?
[1:25:53 – 1:25:55] Adam: It’s the Grand Canyon map, yeah.
[1:25:55 – 1:25:57] Adam: So I just love this map.
[1:25:57 – 1:25:58] Adam: Very fun map.
[1:25:58 – 1:26:07] Adam: Like your reference to the Tahoe map earlier, like I’ve been to the canyon twice, backcountry, and I could look at this map all day.
[1:26:08 – 1:26:08] Adam: Yeah.
[1:26:09 – 1:26:13] Adam: That is, I guess I should probably say who makes it, but…
[1:26:13 – 1:26:13] Erik: Is that Nat Geo?
[1:26:14 – 1:26:18] Adam: I don’t think it’s Nat Geo, but… Anyways, it doesn’t matter.
[1:26:19 – 1:26:20] Adam: But this is a really fine map.
[1:26:20 – 1:26:21] Adam: If you just go on the Grand…
[1:26:21 – 1:26:25] Adam: I think it’s like the Grand Canyon Hiking Club Association or whatever makes these.
[1:26:25 – 1:26:26] Adam: Sure.
[1:26:26 – 1:26:28] Adam: You have to make a donation to them to get their map.
[1:26:29 – 1:26:32] Adam: If you’re doing a Grand Canyon trip, you’re going to want to get that one, so…
[1:26:33 – 1:26:37] Adam: That’s the rest of my random maps I wanted to make sure got on the map episode.
[1:26:37 – 1:26:40] Adam: So that will conclude part one.
[1:26:40 – 1:26:42] Adam: We’ll be back next week with part two.
[1:26:42 – 1:26:43] Adam: We could easily have done three.
[1:26:43 – 1:26:47] Adam: We easily could have done three parts, but we’re going to keep it to two.
[1:26:49 – 1:26:57] Adam: And next week on Tumble Home, we will be talking Nat Geo’s, Fisher’s, McKenzie’s, Chris Marr’s.
[1:26:58 – 1:26:59] Erik: True North Map Company?
[1:26:59 – 1:27:15] Adam: The True North Map Company and what we like about each of them, how we use them, our preferred maps, and then we’re going to be most importantly talking with our friends on Reddit and what they like for maps.
[1:27:15 – 1:27:21] Adam: We’re going to get to your responses, and that should put a cork in it.
[1:27:21 – 1:27:23] Erik: Tons of responses on Reddit.
[1:27:23 – 1:27:25] Adam: Yeah, we got a flood of messages.
[1:27:25 – 1:27:30] Adam: So yeah, obviously we could just do a whole podcast on maps, but…
[1:27:30 – 1:27:31] Adam: The map boys.
[1:27:32 – 1:27:35] Adam: I think that’s a good place to leave it for the week.
[1:27:35 – 1:27:37] Adam: So thank you for joining us.
[1:27:37 – 1:27:40] Adam: This has been episode 068 of… You got it.
[1:27:40 – 1:27:43] Adam: Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast.
[1:27:43 – 1:27:46] Adam: My name is Adam and my good pal Eric here.
[1:27:47 – 1:27:50] Adam: And we’re coming to you live from Studio K. We’ll be coming right back.
[1:27:52 – 1:27:52] Adam: In a week.
[1:27:54 – 1:27:57] Adam: But in reality, we’re just going to hit stop and then… Oh, don’t give it away.
[1:27:57 – 1:27:59] Adam: I’m going to go and change t-shirts.
[1:27:59 – 1:28:00] Adam: No, we’re not.
[1:28:00 – 1:28:01] Adam: We’re breaking the illusion.
[1:28:02 – 1:28:04] Adam: This is a marathon session.
[1:28:04 – 1:28:05] Adam: It is a marathon.
[1:28:05 – 1:28:06] Adam: I’m amped up, so…
[1:28:06 – 1:28:09] Erik: This is a bonus episode somewhere along the lines tonight.
[1:28:09 – 1:28:09] Erik: Absolutely.
[1:28:09 – 1:28:11] Erik: Somehow I have to make a… We have to make pizza for ourselves?
[1:28:11 – 1:28:14] Adam: And you still aren’t having a pizza party, so we better get to it.
[1:28:14 – 1:28:14] Adam: Oh, man.
[1:28:14 – 1:28:15] Adam: All right, folks.
[1:28:15 – 1:28:21] Adam: Remember, every day is precious and life is a miracle…
[1:28:21 – 1:28:22] Erik: That sounds about right.
[1:28:22 – 1:28:23] Adam: Something like that.
[1:28:23 – 1:28:25] Adam: Arrivederci, folks.
[1:28:26 – 1:28:27] Adam: And good evening.
[1:28:28 – 1:28:28] Erik: And happy paddling.
[1:28:29 – 1:28:31] Erik: Happy paddling and paisley a diere.
[1:28:31 – 1:28:33] Adam: Paisley a diere.
[1:28:33 – 1:28:34] Adam: Arrivederci.
[1:28:34 – 1:28:35] Adam: That’s a good one.