073: Fall Roundup & Down

Episode Transcript

[0:00:30 – 0:00:31] Erik: One and all.
[0:00:33 – 0:00:34] Erik: Howdy, partner.
[0:00:35 – 0:00:40] Erik: To Tumble Home, a Boundary Waters podcast, I am Eric.
[0:00:41 – 0:00:44] Erik: This is Francois Lecastore.
[0:00:44 – 0:00:44] Erik: Thank you.
[0:00:44 – 0:00:45] Erik: Sitting at the big table.
[0:00:46 – 0:00:47] Erik: Thank you for joining us.
[0:00:47 – 0:00:52] Erik: We are in, for the first time ever, this is historic.
[0:00:53 – 0:00:54] Erik: History in the making.
[0:00:55 – 0:00:59] Erik: You have been in this studio, some of you.
[0:01:01 – 0:01:01] Erik: I’m sure of it.
[0:01:02 – 0:01:07] Erik: This is, whoa, we haven’t really ever designated, is this studio?
[0:01:07 – 0:01:10] Erik: Oh, boy.
[0:01:11 – 0:01:13] Erik: Studio.
[0:01:13 – 0:01:18] Erik: This is the outfitting room at Clearwater Historic Lodge and Outfitters.
[0:01:19 – 0:01:22] Erik: And we’re sitting at the big map table.
[0:01:23 – 0:01:26] Erik: We’re surrounded by maps.
[0:01:26 – 0:01:31] Erik: I think it might be a tad echoey in here, but I don’t get the sense that it’ll be too bad.
[0:01:31 – 0:01:32] Erik: Nah.
[0:01:32 – 0:01:38] Erik: So coming to you from Studio O, it’s been a minute.
[0:01:39 – 0:01:43] Erik: Not with what’s-his-face from NPR, just in general, me and you.
[0:01:44 – 0:01:45] Erik: It’s been a minute.
[0:01:45 – 0:01:47] Adam: Derry Lancaster.
[0:01:47 – 0:01:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:01:47 – 0:01:55] Erik: Hey, we recorded really soon after the last two weeks ago came out.
[0:01:55 – 0:01:56] Erik: We did two in a row.
[0:01:57 – 0:01:58] Erik: All of our secrets are on the table now.
[0:01:59 – 0:02:00] Adam: No, no longer secrets.
[0:02:01 – 0:02:07] Erik: Yeah, so in that time, I have been out on the water on a guided trip.
[0:02:07 – 0:02:11] Erik: We’ve had some responses from the Game Changers episodes come in.
[0:02:12 – 0:02:15] Adam: I encountered a tower of terror.
[0:02:15 – 0:02:17] Erik: Yeah, so that’s kind of what’s coming at you in today’s episode.
[0:02:17 – 0:02:18] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:02:19 – 0:02:25] Erik: We have a few of these out there where it’s sort of like loose ends, kind of updates.
[0:02:25 – 0:02:26] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:28] Erik: I think that there’s not too many of them.
[0:02:28 – 0:02:32] Erik: Yeah, I don’t want there to be… Then it’s like not really a Bon Jovi podcast.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:36] Erik: It’s Eric and Adam’s Life podcast, which is not really all that interesting.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:44] Erik: But anytime we get to go over a five-day trip in the park, that’s a thing that can definitely be interesting to people.
[0:02:44 – 0:02:45] Erik: For sure.
[0:02:45 – 0:02:52] Erik: So before we press on down that timeline, we, of course, are sponsored by…
[0:02:54 – 0:03:18] Erik: this week the outfitting room at clearwater and as always i by our patrons and by our fine fine friends who find it in themselves to donate beer and this week working for a living over here i’m the thirstiest boy he ever lived so this is from brad it’s
[0:03:18 – 0:03:18] Erik: Been a while.
[0:03:18 – 0:03:19] Erik: Remember when we were on the lake?
[0:03:20 – 0:03:22] Adam: That was probably the last time I was on.
[0:03:22 – 0:03:23] Adam: No, that’s not true.
[0:03:23 – 0:03:25] Adam: But it was, yeah, it’s been a while.
[0:03:26 – 0:03:28] Adam: And I do remember it was a fine day on Clearwater.
[0:03:28 – 0:03:29] Adam: Very fine day.
[0:03:29 – 0:03:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:03:29 – 0:03:40] Erik: So we, it just so happened that I think we’ve had the catalog of Ballast Point Brewing Sculpin IPAs.
[0:03:40 – 0:03:41] Erik: We’ve had the grapefruit.
[0:03:41 – 0:03:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:03:42 – 0:03:43] Erik: We’ve had the spruce tip.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:44] Erik: Yes.
[0:03:44 – 0:03:45] Erik: Brad has been kind enough.
[0:03:46 – 0:03:50] Erik: to bestow upon us the OG Sculpin IPA.
[0:03:50 – 0:03:51] Erik: Original.
[0:03:52 – 0:03:55] Erik: He left us a nice card, which is just between us.
[0:03:55 – 0:03:56] Erik: Very touching.
[0:03:57 – 0:04:02] Erik: Obviously, the beer is going towards a good cause, and we’re going to pop them right now and move on.
[0:04:03 – 0:04:08] Erik: Unfortunately, we only have the one lighter, so studio bottle popping is not going to be a thing.
[0:04:08 – 0:04:09] Adam: I’ll have my keys.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:09] Adam: Hold on.
[0:04:09 – 0:04:11] Erik: Well, I’ll do mine, and then you can do yours.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:12] Erik: I got my keys.
[0:04:12 – 0:04:14] Erik: And we’ll see whose sounds better.
[0:04:14 – 0:04:14] Erik: Okay.
[0:04:21 – 0:04:22] Adam: That’s some solid power.
[0:04:22 – 0:04:29] Adam: That was deep.
[0:04:30 – 0:04:32] Erik: Yeah, yours had a little bit more resonance.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:34] Adam: Mine involved the flinging of the cap.
[0:04:34 – 0:04:35] Adam: I had more timber.
[0:04:36 – 0:04:37] Adam: Timber.
[0:04:37 – 0:04:38] Adam: Timber.
[0:04:38 – 0:04:39] Adam: Timbre.
[0:04:40 – 0:04:42] Adam: Cheers, my good man.
[0:04:47 – 0:04:48] Adam: TGIF, baby.
[0:04:49 – 0:04:50] Adam: TGIF.
[0:04:51 – 0:04:51] Erik: It is your Friday.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:52] Adam: It is.
[0:04:52 – 0:04:53] Adam: It’s a Friday.
[0:04:53 – 0:04:54] Adam: It is a Friday.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:54] Adam: It is my Friday.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Adam: That’s crazy.
[0:04:55 – 0:04:56] Adam: My Fridays are now Fridays once again.
[0:04:56 – 0:04:57] Adam: It is September.
[0:04:57 – 0:04:59] Erik: Hey, not for me.
[0:04:59 – 0:05:00] Adam: For his bee.
[0:05:01 – 0:05:02] Adam: Soon enough, Eric.
[0:05:03 – 0:05:04] Adam: Just hang in there.
[0:05:04 – 0:05:07] Erik: Still children outside squealing right now.
[0:05:07 – 0:05:13] Adam: Yeah, I hope it may be echoey in here, but at least you can’t hear the screaming children making s’mores.
[0:05:13 – 0:05:18] Adam: We will trash this whole episode if there is the hint of a squealing child in the background.
[0:05:20 – 0:05:27] Erik: All right, so we’re going to get to a few of the responses that came in after the questions were read.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:46] Erik: Game Changers and I thought that they were I mean I think almost always we are going to read those but I thought that these were good definitely some some new things some interesting ones I actually went through and read these so I don’t know if you want to go back and forth or if you want this five of them still
[0:05:46 – 0:05:48] Erik: Okay.
[0:05:48 – 0:05:50] Erik: I’ll read a little.
[0:05:50 – 0:05:51] Erik: I just took a screenshot.
[0:05:51 – 0:05:53] Erik: I wasn’t sure what the internet was going to be like out here.
[0:05:54 – 0:05:56] Adam: So it’s not technically digital Reddit.
[0:05:56 – 0:05:58] Erik: Yeah, it’s in between.
[0:05:58 – 0:05:59] Erik: But it is.
[0:05:59 – 0:06:00] Erik: Digital and printed.
[0:06:01 – 0:06:02] Adam: Interesting.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:03] Erik: Very interesting.
[0:06:03 – 0:06:12] Erik: So this one’s for Mike underscore H. Dehydrating my own meals has been so much better than other camp food.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:22] Erik: I took my wife on her first Boundary Waters trip a couple years ago, and she absolutely loved having really good spaghetti with meat sauce and red wine as a meal camping.
[0:06:23 – 0:06:26] Erik: And making and dehydrating pasta sauce was incredibly easy.
[0:06:27 – 0:06:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:28 – 0:06:35] Erik: We have experience dehydrating and making our own meals and some of those Quetico trips that we’ve done.
[0:06:35 – 0:06:36] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:06:36 – 0:06:36] Erik: Yeah.
[0:06:36 – 0:06:44] Erik: You like totally look forward to those way more than even some of the best, I think, just because you’ve been involved from the start.
[0:06:45 – 0:06:46] Adam: Yeah, it’s the involvement.
[0:06:46 – 0:06:48] Adam: It’s got that little personal touch.
[0:06:48 – 0:06:56] Erik: Yeah, making tomato paste leathers or just tomato sauce leathers and reconstituting them kind of brings me back.
[0:06:56 – 0:06:57] Erik: I haven’t done that in a while.
[0:06:57 – 0:06:59] Adam: Did you know we got a dehydrator finally?
[0:06:59 – 0:07:00] Erik: You personally?
[0:07:00 – 0:07:01] Adam: Yeah, we just got it.
[0:07:01 – 0:07:02] Adam: Like this week it showed up.
[0:07:02 – 0:07:03] Adam: Sweet, yeah.
[0:07:03 – 0:07:05] Adam: And the UPS guy usually shows up at like 1.30 a.m.,
[0:07:07 – 0:07:30] Adam: i was sitting there at like just barely dark and i heard this rumble you know we’re out out there and i’m like what the heck’s going on oh god it’s just the ups guy early though and so i like actually went out and like received the package in person wow and i didn’t even know what it was i did not realize we hadn’t bought a uh dehydrator but we did you got one so good for us
[0:07:35 – 0:07:38] Adam: is this another bird dog in it one point bird dog in it
[0:07:41 – 0:07:41] Adam: Maybe.
[0:07:42 – 0:07:44] Adam: Plus one for any gravity water filter.
[0:07:45 – 0:07:53] Adam: Make someone the liquid assets manager, and suddenly your bladder’s bottles will always be full, and there’s always plenty for your rum water lemonade cocktails.
[0:07:53 – 0:07:54] Adam: Huzzah.
[0:07:54 – 0:07:57] Adam: Plus 100 for the tarp bug net combos.
[0:07:58 – 0:08:01] Adam: We use a Helleberg setup, but be warned.
[0:08:01 – 0:08:05] Adam: You will turn into tarp kids and end up staying awake much later than you should.
[0:08:06 – 0:08:07] Adam: Read the cocktail note above.
[0:08:08 – 0:08:09] UNKNOWN: Yes.
[0:08:09 – 0:08:10] Adam: Very good.
[0:08:10 – 0:08:11] Adam: I like a lot of that.
[0:08:11 – 0:08:15] Adam: I will award two extra points for the creative use of the Plus 100.
[0:08:16 – 0:08:20] Erik: Yeah, I like the concept of liquid assets manager.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:22] Adam: And tarp kids.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:08:23 – 0:08:25] Erik: That’s a decent idea, honestly.
[0:08:25 – 0:08:30] Erik: A lot of times it’s sort of one of those deals where it’s like, my water bottle is full, check to see if anybody else is.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:31] Adam: Right, while you’re up doing it.
[0:08:32 – 0:08:36] Adam: But yeah, you just have somebody designated liquid assets manager.
[0:08:36 – 0:08:39] Adam: We need to have like a kindling supervisor.
[0:08:39 – 0:08:43] Adam: What other like specialized roles can we assign?
[0:08:44 – 0:08:53] Erik: Yeah, that still kind of cross over into like real world, like a liquid assets manager is like… That’s a real thing.
[0:08:53 – 0:08:55] Erik: That’s like a real thing.
[0:08:55 – 0:08:57] Adam: Kindling intern, not so much.
[0:08:57 – 0:08:59] Erik: No, we’ll get back to you on that.
[0:09:00 – 0:09:04] Erik: Add that to the list of promised things that we will be coming back on.
[0:09:04 – 0:09:05] Adam: One year, remind me in one year.
[0:09:06 – 0:09:07] Erik: Aldi won.
[0:09:07 – 0:09:09] Erik: This was kind of interesting.
[0:09:09 – 0:09:14] Erik: Camp bocce ball has been a tradition for us and a great way to explore the site.
[0:09:14 – 0:09:22] Erik: This year, yeah, we played Beersbee using tree limbs for poles, and I think it will be a new staple.
[0:09:24 – 0:09:30] Erik: Gear-related paper cutting boards and copper mats make cooking easy.
[0:09:31 – 0:09:31] Adam: Okay.
[0:09:31 – 0:09:33] Erik: You’re thinking the same thing I’m thinking right now, right?
[0:09:33 – 0:09:34] Erik: What’s Beersbee?
[0:09:34 – 0:10:00] Erik: yeah what’s beers be i love it this year we played beers be using tree limbs for pole so for poles and i think let me there’s beer involved and i’m thinking it’s like a mash-up of like is it like rugby with beer but why would there be poles involved yeah i’m thinking of frisbee the poles anyways you got to get back to us all day one
[0:10:00 – 0:10:06] Erik: Yeah, Aldi1 or anybody who knows what beers be is, tumblehomecast at gmail.com.
[0:10:06 – 0:10:08] Adam: Get us up on Instagram.
[0:10:08 – 0:10:09] Adam: Very interested.
[0:10:09 – 0:10:12] Adam: Or maybe on TumbleTaps.
[0:10:12 – 0:10:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:10:13 – 0:10:15] Erik: Winona Ryder is up next there for you.
[0:10:20 – 0:10:21] Adam: One point.
[0:10:22 – 0:10:25] Adam: I’m late on this one and it probably goes without saying, but the internet.
[0:10:25 – 0:10:31] Adam: The ability to research routes, equipment, techniques, anything is literally right at your fingertips.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:38] Adam: Photos, trip reviews, interactive maps, even videos of the lakes and portages are right there should you choose to look.
[0:10:39 – 0:10:42] Adam: Reddit, podcasts, Paddle Planner, the BWCA forums.
[0:10:43 – 0:10:48] Adam: The ability we have to share information today is unprecedented and incredible.
[0:10:48 – 0:10:49] Erik: Yes, absolutely.
[0:10:50 – 0:10:50] Adam: It is.
[0:10:50 – 0:10:54] Adam: I read something and it was like, we were promised flying cars, but the internet’s way better.
[0:10:55 – 0:10:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:10:55 – 0:10:56] Adam: It truly is.
[0:10:56 – 0:11:03] Adam: Just think about how incredible it is just for you to be listening to this podcast that we just recorded or…
[0:11:03 – 0:11:09] Adam: The ability to just shoot messages back and forth, which seems very simple, but, you know, think back.
[0:11:09 – 0:11:15] Erik: Just think about, yeah, 100 years ago, like, you would be like, hun, I’m going to go and try to find a job in the big city.
[0:11:15 – 0:11:20] Erik: And then, like, 10 years later, maybe you can find, like, his address.
[0:11:21 – 0:11:28] Erik: If he can find you, maybe that postman, like, got lost in the woods or drowned in a stream with your letter.
[0:11:28 – 0:11:29] Erik: How did anybody stay in touch?
[0:11:29 – 0:11:31] Adam: Just the instantaneous nature of it, too.
[0:11:32 – 0:11:33] Adam: Global, wide.
[0:11:33 – 0:11:34] Erik: I’ll take the internet.
[0:11:34 – 0:11:36] Adam: Yeah, we don’t need flying cars.
[0:11:36 – 0:11:37] Erik: Do you know how dangerous flying cars sound?
[0:11:37 – 0:11:39] Erik: People can’t handle themselves on the road.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:42] Erik: Let’s figure out earth driving first.
[0:11:42 – 0:11:43] Adam: Exactly.
[0:11:43 – 0:11:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:43 – 0:11:44] Adam: So, good point.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:46] Adam: Information.
[0:11:46 – 0:11:49] Adam: Nobody really just hit the nail on that head.
[0:11:49 – 0:11:53] Erik: Yeah, real big picture there from Winona with an H rider.
[0:11:55 – 0:12:00] Erik: SC Sven, I was surprised that no one has brought up permethrin as a game changer.
[0:12:01 – 0:12:06] Erik: I no longer need to use bug spray and don’t experience bites even in July or August.
[0:12:07 – 0:12:13] Erik: My canoeing group even decided we don’t need the thermocels anymore after discovering permethrin.
[0:12:14 – 0:12:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:14 – 0:12:15] Adam: It’s that good.
[0:12:15 – 0:12:16] Adam: I guess.
[0:12:17 – 0:12:18] Adam: Says Sven.
[0:12:18 – 0:12:23] Adam: I’ve not heard that kind of a ringing endorsement for it yet, but I’m intrigued.
[0:12:25 – 0:12:29] Erik: I’ve never really had much of an effect.
[0:12:29 – 0:12:38] Erik: I’ve not been affected by the bugs enough for me to like really like heads on approach mitigating how they affect me.
[0:12:38 – 0:12:41] Erik: I think we’ve talked about this and there was a bug episode, right?
[0:12:41 – 0:12:41] Adam: Yeah.
[0:12:42 – 0:12:42] Erik: Yeah.
[0:12:43 – 0:12:44] Erik: I just, I don’t know.
[0:12:44 – 0:12:50] Erik: Maybe it’s I’ve been fortunate in the times that I’ve been on the water or I don’t know, maybe they just don’t affect me as much.
[0:12:50 – 0:12:57] Erik: But I think just a little bit of a little bit of detail in there is that’s more than enough long sleeves and pants.
[0:12:57 – 0:13:02] Erik: And yeah, but I mean, I’ve heard good things from permethrin from people that use it.
[0:13:02 – 0:13:02] Erik: So.
[0:13:02 – 0:13:03] Erik: How does it work?
[0:13:03 – 0:13:06] Erik: You have to treat your clothing with it.
[0:13:07 – 0:13:09] Adam: It’s in your garments.
[0:13:09 – 0:13:11] Adam: It’s definitely more intense.
[0:13:11 – 0:13:17] Adam: My tunic is imbued with permethrin.
[0:13:17 – 0:13:20] Adam: Is that how you say it?
[0:13:20 – 0:13:21] Erik: Imbued.
[0:13:21 – 0:13:23] Erik: Yeah, sure.
[0:13:24 – 0:13:25] Erik: Game Changers.
[0:13:25 – 0:13:26] Erik: Game Changers.
[0:13:27 – 0:13:33] Adam: This one comes from… Game Changers is brought to you by Ballast Point Sculpting IPA.
[0:13:35 – 0:13:36] Adam: Coming up next on Game Changers.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:42] Erik: Mike, as always, feel free.
[0:13:43 – 0:13:49] Erik: I know some people are like they don’t want to mess around with any of the whatever’s Facebook, Reddit, any of that.
[0:13:49 – 0:13:51] Erik: You can always send us an answer to some of these questions.
[0:13:51 – 0:13:58] Erik: I think we just need to do a better job of asking what the questions are while we’re recording.
[0:13:58 – 0:14:02] Erik: So we’re going to try to improve on that so you can just send us direct emails if you’d like.
[0:14:03 – 0:14:04] Adam: Or voice messages.
[0:14:04 – 0:14:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:05] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:14:05 – 0:14:06] Erik: That’s like… Is that still a thing?
[0:14:07 – 0:14:09] Erik: Just blow the dust off the answering machine.
[0:14:10 – 0:14:11] Erik: It’s probably like not even working anymore.
[0:14:11 – 0:14:13] Adam: Google’s probably gotten rid of that.
[0:14:13 – 0:14:13] Adam: Hey, guys.
[0:14:14 – 0:14:15] Adam: It’s October 2016.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:16] Adam: Yeah.
[0:14:16 – 0:14:20] Adam: I’m calling about the game changers.
[0:14:23 – 0:14:24] Adam: Thanks, Ron.
[0:14:24 – 0:14:26] Adam: Back to you.
[0:14:26 – 0:14:26] Adam: Got it.
[0:14:27 – 0:14:29] Erik: This is an email, direct email from Mike.
[0:14:29 – 0:14:32] Erik: While at work today, I was listening to part one.
[0:14:32 – 0:14:37] Erik: So that’s kind of probably why he was still able to get this message to us.
[0:14:38 – 0:14:40] Erik: And he said he went about thinking about what his would be.
[0:14:41 – 0:14:43] Erik: It did not take long.
[0:14:43 – 0:14:43] Erik: A walk.
[0:14:44 – 0:14:45] Erik: Yes, a walk.
[0:14:45 – 0:14:46] Erik: No more heavy frying pans.
[0:14:46 – 0:14:50] Erik: This sounds like a- W-O-K. W-O-K.
[0:14:50 – 0:14:55] Erik: This sounds like the script for one of those late night infomercials.
[0:14:55 – 0:14:56] Erik: Yeah.
[0:14:56 – 0:14:57] Erik: Yes, a walk.
[0:14:57 – 0:14:59] Erik: No more heavy frying pans.
[0:14:59 – 0:15:08] Erik: You can see the woman in black and white struggling to lift up the cast iron with a big circle red X through her.
[0:15:08 – 0:15:09] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:15:10 – 0:15:14] Erik: A wok can cook everything you can cook except boiling water in it.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:16] Adam: I bet you can boil water in a wok.
[0:15:16 – 0:15:16] Erik: Wait, wait, no.
[0:15:16 – 0:15:17] Erik: I read that wrong.
[0:15:18 – 0:15:22] Erik: A wok can cook everything you can cook except boil clean water in it.
[0:15:23 – 0:15:25] Adam: Because it’s too seasoned?
[0:15:25 – 0:15:29] Erik: Yeah, I guess it’s probably going to make a little bit too much of a flavor water.
[0:15:29 – 0:15:31] Adam: It would be imbued with the walkie flavor.
[0:15:32 – 0:15:43] Erik: With a lid, which doubles as a bowl to put fish fillets in, you can bake Finnish rye bread in it, deep fry lake trout chunks, bacon and eggs, scrambled eggs, pancakes, popcorn.
[0:15:44 – 0:15:47] Erik: That is plus easy to clean for sure.
[0:15:47 – 0:15:50] Erik: Just that I would throw it out there for you to ponder.
[0:15:50 – 0:15:52] Erik: Lingenburger pancake.
[0:15:53 – 0:15:54] Erik: May your paddle whisper.
[0:15:55 – 0:15:56] Adam: Happy paddling.
[0:15:56 – 0:15:57] Adam: Good comment.
[0:15:57 – 0:15:58] Erik: That was an email?
[0:15:58 – 0:15:59] Erik: That was an email.
[0:16:00 – 0:16:02] Erik: You can always email us.
[0:16:03 – 0:16:03] Erik: We’re there.
[0:16:05 – 0:16:06] Erik: And then there’s another email here.
[0:16:06 – 0:16:07] Erik: It will always be there.
[0:16:07 – 0:16:10] Erik: That will come up later.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:16] Erik: More pertaining to the fantasy Boundary Waters League.
[0:16:17 – 0:16:17] Erik: Right on.
[0:16:17 – 0:16:21] Erik: That may or may not ever happen, but it’s a very fun conversation to have.
[0:16:21 – 0:16:28] Adam: Yeah, I’ve been brainstorming on that one all day at work while I was making soups today.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:35] Adam: My hands were busy making soup, but my mind, Eric, was busy with the fantasy.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:36] Erik: Cool.
[0:16:36 – 0:16:37] Adam: That’s coming up later.
[0:16:37 – 0:16:45] Erik: I’m glad because I didn’t put as much thought towards that because I figured I was going to be doing a little bit more talking here.
[0:16:45 – 0:16:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:16:48 – 0:16:51] Erik: I think we’re past game changers for now.
[0:16:52 – 0:17:02] Erik: Oh, and since we’re talking about it, we should, before we move on to the next segment, the question of the week is out there now.
[0:17:03 – 0:17:04] Erik: Yes.
[0:17:04 – 0:17:04] Erik: I saw it.
[0:17:04 – 0:17:05] Erik: Yeah.
[0:17:05 – 0:17:13] Erik: And if you’re not on any of the places where I post those and you want to respond, send us an email, tumblehomecast at gmail.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:14] Erik: The question is in…
[0:17:15 – 0:17:32] Erik: I think the two different places that I posed it generally, you know, what makes a good paddling partner and what do you feel like are some of the more important aspects of maintaining a solid group dynamic in the boundary waters?
[0:17:33 – 0:17:35] Erik: Have you been on any really weird, bad trips with people?
[0:17:36 – 0:17:37] Adam: I want to hear those.
[0:17:37 – 0:17:39] Erik: Yeah, that’s kind of what we’re looking for.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:56] Erik: But there’s a lot that can be said in terms of what I see on people’s planning leading up to a trip over the phone or in emails, what they appear to me as here before they go out, and then what they look like on the flip side after they get off the trip.
[0:17:57 – 0:17:58] Erik: I’ve seen…
[0:18:00 – 0:18:01] Erik: You know, the gamut.
[0:18:01 – 0:18:05] Erik: I’ve seen shouting matches in the parking lot after a trip.
[0:18:05 – 0:18:06] Adam: Oh, dear.
[0:18:06 – 0:18:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:07 – 0:18:08] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:18:08 – 0:18:10] Erik: That’s pretty rare, but, you know… Yeah, you’ve seen it.
[0:18:10 – 0:18:23] Erik: There’s, you know… Just, you know, what do you consider… What are your experiences with successful trips, whether it’s one-on-one, where it gets really more complex is in the group dynamics.
[0:18:23 – 0:18:23] Erik: So…
[0:18:23 – 0:18:24] Erik: a little bit more open-ended.
[0:18:25 – 0:18:26] Erik: You know, we’re 73 episodes in.
[0:18:26 – 0:18:35] Erik: We don’t have as many of those black and white questions anymore, but I think now, you know, I’m looking forward to maybe a little bit more of those nuanced aspects.
[0:18:36 – 0:18:38] Adam: What’s the ideal arm length in a paddling partner?
[0:18:38 – 0:18:39] Adam: Season six.
[0:18:39 – 0:18:39] Erik: Yeah.
[0:18:40 – 0:18:42] Adam: This is why I started the show with a howdy, partner.
[0:18:43 – 0:18:44] Adam: Howdy.
[0:18:45 – 0:19:09] Erik: so yeah that’s the general question if you have any stories or things that you’ve noticed on trips how you plan them you know i’m for me i don’t have as much of an opportunity to be like trying to put together a trip down in the cities where i’ve got like 10 to 20 friends to maybe coordinate with it’s usually pretty easy for me at this point but now gary’s out wait wait no he’s in oh
[0:19:10 – 0:19:10] Erik: Yeah.
[0:19:10 – 0:19:19] Erik: And so I am the person who is like the ringleader of all of those little miniature loon bleep shows.
[0:19:20 – 0:19:24] Erik: I’m not going to have very much time to do any editing on this episode.
[0:19:24 – 0:19:28] Erik: So if we could keep any real loon bleeps out, that’d be great.
[0:19:29 – 0:19:30] Adam: I’m clean as a whistle, baby.
[0:19:30 – 0:19:34] Erik: The next episode, though, let them rip.
[0:19:34 – 0:19:41] Erik: We posted the picture of the computer that was keeping track of the loon bleeps on the computer, and one of the responses was, let them rip.
[0:19:43 – 0:19:45] Adam: Hashtag, let them rip.
[0:19:45 – 0:19:45] Erik: All right.
[0:19:46 – 0:20:08] Erik: so since we last were in in a studio together i was out on a five-day guided trip and i want to i was out on the water and it kind of came to me because we have had in the past conversations about the board game yes that we’ve discussed and
[0:20:08 – 0:20:18] Erik: And I don’t know, maybe we’ll get to the end of this and it will have turned out to have been an entire, I don’t think a waste of time, but maybe not as entertaining as I think it could be.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:20] Erik: Yeah.
[0:20:20 – 0:20:24] Erik: So I want to play a game with you.
[0:20:25 – 0:20:25] Erik: Okay.
[0:20:26 – 0:20:29] Erik: Where you try to figure out my route.
[0:20:30 – 0:20:31] Erik: Oh, yes.
[0:20:31 – 0:20:32] Adam: I enjoy this.
[0:20:33 – 0:20:35] Erik: So I will give you, and this can be working.
[0:20:35 – 0:20:36] Adam: I have no idea where you went.
[0:20:36 – 0:20:38] Adam: Yeah, I’ll give you some basics.
[0:20:39 – 0:20:40] Adam: I have to assume it’s on this map somewhere.
[0:20:40 – 0:20:45] Erik: That’s also one of the main reasons we are in the map room here, or the outfitting room at the map table.
[0:20:46 – 0:20:46] Erik: Okay.
[0:20:46 – 0:20:48] Erik: So it was a five-day trip.
[0:20:48 – 0:20:49] Erik: Yes.
[0:20:49 – 0:20:50] Erik: Four nights.
[0:20:51 – 0:20:58] Erik: So my thinking is you get eight guesses for four campsites.
[0:21:00 – 0:21:00] Erik: All right, here we go.
[0:21:01 – 0:21:05] Erik: You get eight guesses for four lakes.
[0:21:06 – 0:21:11] Erik: You don’t lose out on a guess if you get the lake right, obviously.
[0:21:11 – 0:21:11] Erik: Okay.
[0:21:11 – 0:21:16] Erik: If you get the campsite that I stayed at correct, you actually get another guess.
[0:21:16 – 0:21:23] Erik: So if you nail the first lake and the first campsite, you would have nine guesses going forward to finish up.
[0:21:24 – 0:21:24] Adam: Okay.
[0:21:24 – 0:21:26] Adam: So it could, you know, like we…
[0:21:27 – 0:21:31] Adam: And this could be, I could just guess a lake and it could be at any night of the four nights.
[0:21:32 – 0:21:34] Erik: Well, I would think you would probably want to go in order.
[0:21:34 – 0:21:35] Adam: Yeah.
[0:21:35 – 0:21:36] Adam: Are you going to give me an entry point?
[0:21:36 – 0:21:36] Adam: Yes.
[0:21:36 – 0:21:38] Erik: I’m going to tell you where we started and ended.
[0:21:38 – 0:21:39] Adam: Oh, okay.
[0:21:39 – 0:21:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:21:40 – 0:21:40] Adam: Okay.
[0:21:40 – 0:21:45] Erik: I was like, no, no, yeah, no, this isn’t just pointing at a map on the wall.
[0:21:45 – 0:21:52] Erik: And so it was, and then if we get to a point where it seems like, well, this was maybe a bad idea, I’ll start giving you some more information.
[0:21:52 – 0:21:59] Adam: Well, can I ask like what was the, how many people were in the group and was the general skill level of the paddlers involved?
[0:21:59 – 0:21:59] Adam: Okay.
[0:22:00 – 0:22:03] Adam: Well, just to give me an idea and you know how far you’re going in a day.
[0:22:03 – 0:22:03] Erik: Sure.
[0:22:04 – 0:22:06] Erik: So yeah, five days, four nights.
[0:22:06 – 0:22:08] Erik: Entered Liz.
[0:22:09 – 0:22:10] Adam: Okay.
[0:22:10 – 0:22:12] Erik: Actually, I’m going to pull that back.
[0:22:12 – 0:22:18] Erik: I’ll give you the entry point, but I will say that we entered at Liz and we exited at Poplar.
[0:22:19 – 0:22:19] Adam: Okay.
[0:22:20 – 0:22:21] Erik: And it was a group of two.
[0:22:21 – 0:22:22] Erik: We were in one canoe.
[0:22:23 – 0:22:23] Erik: Okay.
[0:22:23 – 0:22:25] Erik: Never been to the Bon Jovi before.
[0:22:25 – 0:22:26] Adam: All right.
[0:22:26 – 0:22:31] Adam: So you got the boat and it was rainy a lot.
[0:22:35 – 0:22:36] Adam: During this trip, no?
[0:22:36 – 0:22:40] Adam: You know, actually… Am I allowed to just ask questions before I guess like this?
[0:22:40 – 0:22:40] Adam: This is not fair.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:41] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:22:41 – 0:22:48] Erik: I mean, I will say out of the five days that we were out there, there was only one day that was actually rainy.
[0:22:49 – 0:22:51] Erik: It’s a little hard for us to think back now.
[0:22:52 – 0:22:57] Erik: It was actually one of the drier few days in September, which is a whole other story.
[0:22:58 – 0:23:02] Adam: Okay, so I got, I guess, four campsites.
[0:23:02 – 0:23:06] Erik: Yeah, I would say it would be the best way to do it would be chronologically.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:08] Adam: Right, so you went in on Liz.
[0:23:09 – 0:23:11] Adam: How far do I think you went with these people?
[0:23:11 – 0:23:12] Adam: They’ve never been on a trip before.
[0:23:13 – 0:23:13] Erik: Correct.
[0:23:16 – 0:23:18] Adam: All right.
[0:23:19 – 0:23:22] Adam: It’s the first day, and, you know, it’s pretty.
[0:23:22 – 0:23:24] Adam: I’m going to say you made it to Gaskin.
[0:23:24 – 0:23:25] Erik: Okay.
[0:23:25 – 0:23:26] Erik: That is incorrect.
[0:23:26 – 0:23:27] Adam: Okay.
[0:23:27 – 0:23:28] Erik: Down to seven.
[0:23:28 – 0:23:29] Erik: Seven guesses.
[0:23:29 – 0:23:31] Adam: All right.
[0:23:31 – 0:23:32] Adam: Now, which way do I go?
[0:23:32 – 0:23:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:23:32 – 0:23:33] Erik: And how did you do?
[0:23:33 – 0:23:33] Erik: All right.
[0:23:33 – 0:23:34] Adam: I’m going to go way back.
[0:23:35 – 0:23:36] Adam: You just stopped on Caribou.
[0:23:37 – 0:23:38] Erik: And also incorrect.
[0:23:38 – 0:23:38] Erik: Hmm.
[0:23:41 – 0:23:42] Adam: Okay.
[0:23:42 – 0:23:46] Adam: So maybe they’re ambitious.
[0:23:47 – 0:23:48] Adam: Did you make it to the winch?
[0:23:48 – 0:23:50] Erik: We camped on our first night on Winchell.
[0:23:51 – 0:23:52] Adam: All right, so I’m done.
[0:23:52 – 0:23:53] Adam: I’m at six guesses.
[0:23:53 – 0:23:58] Erik: If you can guess the campsite, you can get back up to one or back up to seven.
[0:24:02 – 0:24:03] Adam: I’m going to guess Winchell 8.
[0:24:04 – 0:24:04] Erik: Which one’s 8?
[0:24:05 – 0:24:06] Erik: Oh, the one we’ve camped at.
[0:24:06 – 0:24:06] Erik: Yeah.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:07] Erik: No.
[0:24:07 – 0:24:08] Erik: You don’t lose anything for that.
[0:24:09 – 0:24:09] Erik: Okay.
[0:24:09 – 0:24:11] Erik: We camped at 10.
[0:24:13 – 0:24:17] Erik: The same exact spot I was at last year with the… Oh, is this the moose approach?
[0:24:17 – 0:24:19] Erik: Yes, the moose approaching the latrine.
[0:24:19 – 0:24:20] Erik: Okay.
[0:24:21 – 0:24:28] Erik: which did not happen, although I will say day one, yeah, we made great time.
[0:24:28 – 0:24:31] Erik: It was a beautiful morning, pretty much dead calm.
[0:24:33 – 0:24:42] Erik: The biggest thing that I remember from Winchell was maybe one of the more interesting slash beautiful mornings that I’ve ever experienced out there.
[0:24:43 – 0:24:45] Erik: And we’ve stopped at that campsite.
[0:24:45 – 0:24:48] Erik: You know how there’s a couple of those trees where the bench was?
[0:24:48 – 0:24:49] Adam: Yes, it’s a beautiful campsite.
[0:24:50 – 0:24:53] Erik: That bench is no longer there, but it’s an excellent place for the hammock.
[0:24:53 – 0:24:57] Erik: It’s like literally like you can like reach and touch the water.
[0:24:58 – 0:25:06] Erik: And so I woke up and there was this crazy fog and it was coming down over the top of that big southern hills on Winchell.
[0:25:07 – 0:25:09] Erik: And then no fog on the lake.
[0:25:09 – 0:25:20] Erik: And then moving up again and over the hills down the lake with the sun rising, like lighting it all up while the full moon was rising into it.
[0:25:20 – 0:25:22] Erik: It was just crazy.
[0:25:22 – 0:25:24] Erik: And I didn’t have my camera or anything.
[0:25:24 – 0:25:25] Adam: Very curious.
[0:25:25 – 0:25:25] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:25 – 0:25:26] Adam: Why didn’t you have a camera?
[0:25:27 – 0:25:28] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:25:28 – 0:25:29] Erik: It’s really heavy.
[0:25:29 – 0:25:29] Adam: Yeah.
[0:25:31 – 0:25:34] Erik: So that was a pretty good first day.
[0:25:34 – 0:25:36] Erik: Yeah, we trolled back and forth.
[0:25:37 – 0:25:40] Erik: Obviously, Winchell’s tough.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:40] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:40 – 0:25:41] Erik: Didn’t run into anything.
[0:25:41 – 0:25:42] Adam: He’s a home runner.
[0:25:42 – 0:25:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:25:43 – 0:25:44] Erik: So, yeah.
[0:25:44 – 0:25:46] Erik: So that’s our first day.
[0:25:46 – 0:25:47] Adam: Okay.
[0:25:49 – 0:25:51] Adam: I got my pen marking Winchel 10.
[0:25:51 – 0:25:59] Adam: So now, you know, the question here is, did you remain ambitious and go real big around back?
[0:25:59 – 0:26:01] Adam: You’ve already said you’ve came out on Poplar.
[0:26:01 – 0:26:03] Erik: Well, I’ll give you another.
[0:26:03 – 0:26:11] Adam: But did you remain ambitious and go big and around, or did you take it easy and then just kind of like work your way back up?
[0:26:12 – 0:26:14] Adam: Is it an out and back, or is it a big loop?
[0:26:14 – 0:26:14] Adam: Yeah.
[0:26:14 – 0:26:18] Adam: Or maybe you did a short little mini loop through Meads or something at this point.
[0:26:19 – 0:26:22] Erik: I can give you a hint.
[0:26:22 – 0:26:23] Erik: It’s not a huge one.
[0:26:23 – 0:26:24] Adam: Okay, sure.
[0:26:24 – 0:26:26] Adam: Which I think wouldn’t be nearly as much fun.
[0:26:26 – 0:26:29] Adam: Or you go super big and get down to Brule somehow.
[0:26:30 – 0:26:31] Erik: I’m going to doubt it.
[0:26:31 – 0:26:34] Erik: I’ll just say we moved every day.
[0:26:35 – 0:26:36] Erik: Okay, so you’re moving.
[0:26:36 – 0:26:40] Erik: I don’t think it would be very much fun to play this game if you’re like, yeah, then we base camped for two days and paddled back.
[0:26:40 – 0:26:43] Adam: We went down to Winchell 8 the next day.
[0:26:43 – 0:26:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:44 – 0:26:44] Adam: All right.
[0:26:46 – 0:26:47] Adam: Where would you go?
[0:26:49 – 0:26:50] Adam: And you’re moving every day.
[0:26:50 – 0:26:54] Adam: I mean, you have three more nights.
[0:26:54 – 0:26:56] Adam: I mean, you got a lot of space.
[0:26:57 – 0:26:59] Erik: Three more nights and four more days.
[0:26:59 – 0:27:02] Erik: And there’s a lot of different options out there.
[0:27:03 – 0:27:03] Adam: Big time.
[0:27:03 – 0:27:06] Adam: I’m kind of seeing three different options.
[0:27:08 – 0:27:10] Adam: I don’t think you went on the inside option.
[0:27:10 – 0:27:11] Adam: Did you go to Brule?
[0:27:12 – 0:27:13] Erik: Is that your official guess?
[0:27:13 – 0:27:14] Adam: Yeah, I’m going to guess Brule.
[0:27:14 – 0:27:15] Erik: That is correct.
[0:27:15 – 0:27:16] Adam: All right.
[0:27:16 – 0:27:17] Adam: You did go big.
[0:27:18 – 0:27:19] Adam: I got to move my notebook back here.
[0:27:19 – 0:27:22] Erik: Yeah, move it so you can see the… Get the notebook out of the way.
[0:27:22 – 0:27:23] Adam: We went to Brule.
[0:27:23 – 0:27:23] Adam: All right.
[0:27:24 – 0:27:25] Adam: So now I got to…
[0:27:25 – 0:27:26] Adam: Does that count as a guess?
[0:27:27 – 0:27:27] Adam: No.
[0:27:27 – 0:27:28] Adam: Well, you got it correct.
[0:27:28 – 0:27:29] Adam: So you’re still at six.
[0:27:29 – 0:27:30] Adam: I’m still at six.
[0:27:30 – 0:27:32] Erik: And you can bump up to seven if you can guess my site.
[0:27:32 – 0:27:33] Adam: With a campsite.
[0:27:33 – 0:27:34] Adam: Mm-hmm.
[0:27:35 – 0:27:35] Adam: Ooh-wee.
[0:27:36 – 0:27:36] Adam: Yeah.
[0:27:39 – 0:27:41] Adam: So you just came down through there.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:43] Adam: You’re probably not going back that way.
[0:27:43 – 0:27:46] Adam: Did you camp on Jacques Mach Island?
[0:27:46 – 0:27:46] Erik: No.
[0:27:47 – 0:27:48] Erik: Dang.
[0:27:49 – 0:27:52] Erik: So, you know, that site on Winchell I’ve been at before.
[0:27:52 – 0:27:56] Erik: I was like, I want to get to this island on Brule.
[0:27:56 – 0:27:57] Erik: I’ve never been there.
[0:27:58 – 0:27:58] Adam: Nice.
[0:27:58 – 0:28:00] Erik: So we came down through the cones.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:00 – 0:28:02] Erik: Got to go through the cones.
[0:28:02 – 0:28:04] Adam: Oh, you didn’t go through Grassy, huh?
[0:28:04 – 0:28:05] Erik: No.
[0:28:05 – 0:28:18] Erik: So through Grassy there, if you’re following along at home, which you should be, and you’re looking at the Grassy Lake area, and this is pretty well known at this point, but Fisher really should update their maps.
[0:28:18 – 0:28:20] Erik: Grassy Lake hardly exists anymore.
[0:28:21 – 0:28:28] Erik: So the portage between Wanahegan and Mulligan is essentially a mile-long portage.
[0:28:29 – 0:28:32] Erik: It’s not a 40 into grassy and then back out into 100.
[0:28:32 – 0:28:33] Erik: Nothing there.
[0:28:33 – 0:28:36] Erik: Maybe when it’s like super wet in the spring.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:36] Adam: Maybe.
[0:28:36 – 0:28:37] Adam: Maybe it’s more beavers in there.
[0:28:38 – 0:28:39] Erik: I think it’s just gone lake.
[0:28:40 – 0:28:42] Erik: I think it’s just grass now.
[0:28:42 – 0:28:43] Adam: Just grassed out?
[0:28:43 – 0:28:44] Erik: It’s just grass.
[0:28:46 – 0:28:48] Adam: Yeah.
[0:28:48 – 0:28:49] Adam: That’s too bad.
[0:28:49 – 0:28:50] Adam: So it’s Brule Island.
[0:28:50 – 0:28:51] Adam: Is that…
[0:28:51 – 0:28:53] Adam: It’s not Fishbox Island, but it’s… No, it’s…
[0:28:53 – 0:28:54] Erik: I’m going to call it Cone Island.
[0:28:54 – 0:28:56] Erik: And it’s an awesome site.
[0:28:56 – 0:28:57] Adam: Yeah, I bet it is.
[0:28:57 – 0:29:02] Erik: I would go out there for a fourth of Brule next year if we got a nice day to get out, but…
[0:29:02 – 0:29:27] Erik: yeah that’s big water it is we so then we went out and tried fishing fish box island and it was like it was very windy and it was funny the guy i was with just did not seem to like not phased not phased he didn’t know no but they know what kind of danger he was in yeah uh yeah no it like he’s like well maybe we can troll back and we were like trolling with like foot tall like
[0:29:29 – 0:29:32] Adam: Not quite white caps, but like the openness of Brule.
[0:29:32 – 0:29:33] Adam: You almost don’t want to catch anything in that.
[0:29:34 – 0:29:36] Erik: And it was like coming in from the side.
[0:29:36 – 0:29:39] Erik: And of course, I hooked into a stupid pike.
[0:29:39 – 0:29:42] Erik: And so like now nobody’s controlling the boat.
[0:29:42 – 0:29:44] Erik: And I’m like dragging this pike through the water.
[0:29:44 – 0:29:48] Erik: And then it gets up to the boat and it’s like all twisted and wrapped.
[0:29:48 – 0:29:53] Erik: And I’m like, I’m going to swamp a canoe out in the middle of Brule Lake over like a 20-inch pike out here.
[0:29:53 – 0:29:54] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:55 – 0:29:56] Erik: So, yeah.
[0:29:56 – 0:29:58] Adam: That’s a good guide.
[0:29:58 – 0:29:59] Adam: Good guide.
[0:29:59 – 0:29:59] Erik: Good guide.
[0:30:00 – 0:30:01] Adam: All right.
[0:30:01 – 0:30:03] Adam: So, we’re on to… That’s night two.
[0:30:03 – 0:30:05] Adam: We got a night… All right.
[0:30:05 – 0:30:07] Adam: Let me get this down in the old notebook here.
[0:30:07 – 0:30:11] Adam: So, got two more nights to get all the way back there.
[0:30:11 – 0:30:14] Adam: That’s very promising.
[0:30:14 – 0:30:17] Adam: Boy, I, you know… Yeah, this is…
[0:30:17 – 0:30:18] Erik: I thought the… We got two more nights.
[0:30:18 – 0:30:20] Erik: I thought the getting off of Winchell…
[0:30:20 – 0:30:22] Adam: I think I know where you spent your last night.
[0:30:22 – 0:30:24] Adam: It’s just where did you go in between here?
[0:30:25 – 0:30:31] Adam: I’m going to guess you did not take them through the Vesperian Hills.
[0:30:33 – 0:30:33] Adam: But did you?
[0:30:35 – 0:30:36] Adam: Oh, you’re clever.
[0:30:36 – 0:30:37] Adam: Very clever.
[0:30:37 – 0:30:42] Adam: I’m going to go ahead and guess Cherokee, just because we always like to make fun of Cherokee for night three.
[0:30:42 – 0:30:43] Erik: Yep, nailed it.
[0:30:43 – 0:30:44] Adam: Yes.
[0:30:44 – 0:30:46] Adam: Did you go through the Vesperian Hills, though?
[0:30:46 – 0:30:46] Adam: No, we did not.
[0:30:46 – 0:30:47] Adam: Okay, yeah, that would be madness.
[0:30:48 – 0:30:48] Adam: You went through Temperance.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:51] Erik: Down through, yeah, south, north Temperance.
[0:30:52 – 0:30:52] Erik: Sitka.
[0:30:52 – 0:30:54] Erik: Sitka, a round snub.
[0:30:54 – 0:30:56] Adam: All right, I have no idea on the campsite.
[0:30:56 – 0:30:58] Adam: I still have six guesses here.
[0:30:58 – 0:30:59] Erik: Yeah, you’ve got a lot of guesses to get home.
[0:31:00 – 0:31:04] Adam: I might do this, but especially if I can somehow nail this.
[0:31:04 – 0:31:06] Adam: I’m going to go with this campsite.
[0:31:06 – 0:31:08] Adam: Nope, that was the one we wanted to camp at.
[0:31:08 – 0:31:09] Adam: Oh, okay.
[0:31:09 – 0:31:11] Erik: We stayed at the island across from it.
[0:31:11 – 0:31:12] Erik: Oh, so close.
[0:31:12 – 0:31:14] Erik: So, yeah, we’re pointing at the…
[0:31:14 – 0:31:19] Erik: There’s two cigar-shaped islands in the middle of Cherokee, one with the site on the…
[0:31:20 – 0:31:23] Erik: East end, one on the west end.
[0:31:23 – 0:31:28] Erik: The one on the south, that’s actually like a sandy beach.
[0:31:28 – 0:31:35] Erik: And the one north of it on the west side is a massive site, just like Boy Scout Pleasure Land.
[0:31:35 – 0:31:36] Erik: It’s massive.
[0:31:36 – 0:31:36] Erik: Bocce ball court.
[0:31:37 – 0:31:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:37 – 0:31:41] Erik: It’s got like multiple tiers, a huge rock that just like goes.
[0:31:42 – 0:31:45] Erik: It’s not really great fishing off of it, but a massive flat rock.
[0:31:45 – 0:31:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:46 – 0:31:50] Erik: So like we that was the that was the Tuesday going into that trip.
[0:31:50 – 0:31:58] Erik: It was the forecast was for like 70s and sun with like a 40% chance of rain in the afternoon evening.
[0:31:58 – 0:31:58] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:58 – 0:32:03] Erik: And it was like midday and we got off of that portage between Sitka and Cherokee.
[0:32:04 – 0:32:16] Erik: And like I could hear distant rumbling and it started and it was like you could like walking across the portage, you could feel the air get thicker and you can watch the rocks were like started sweating.
[0:32:16 – 0:32:16] Adam: Yeah.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:17] Adam: It’s soupy out here.
[0:32:17 – 0:32:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:32:18 – 0:32:21] Erik: It’s like, okay, so this is way earlier than the last time I saw a forecast.
[0:32:21 – 0:32:23] Erik: I hadn’t cranked up the weather radio at all yet.
[0:32:23 – 0:32:23] Erik: Uh-huh.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:28] Erik: And so just started like… And it was a south wind.
[0:32:28 – 0:32:31] Erik: So we pretty much just had a sweet tailwind and we just…
[0:32:32 – 0:32:35] Erik: And I could see somebody was fishing off of that island.
[0:32:35 – 0:32:38] Erik: So I’m like, well, let’s just go around the corner and check out that other island.
[0:32:39 – 0:32:43] Erik: And of course it was open and got the rain fly up just in time.
[0:32:43 – 0:32:45] Erik: And it rained for like three hours.
[0:32:45 – 0:32:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:32:45 – 0:32:53] Erik: And then as it started like lightening up, then like this crazy like wall of lightning appeared off to the west and
[0:32:54 – 0:32:54] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:32:54 – 0:32:59] Erik: I’ve never seen so much like cloud to ground lightning before that wasn’t like.
[0:32:59 – 0:33:00] Adam: This is air lightning.
[0:33:01 – 0:33:03] Erik: Yeah, it was like jamming down.
[0:33:03 – 0:33:05] Erik: And these folks were from out in Oregon.
[0:33:05 – 0:33:06] Erik: They don’t get lightning.
[0:33:07 – 0:33:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:33:07 – 0:33:09] Erik: And they were just like, oh, my God, this is crazy.
[0:33:09 – 0:33:11] Erik: I’m like, yeah, this is pretty crazy.
[0:33:11 – 0:33:15] Erik: Like it was lightning where I wasn’t I didn’t feel worried about it.
[0:33:16 – 0:33:24] Erik: Because it was all just in this one wall, and it looked like it was like a tendril of a hurricane kind of coming out over.
[0:33:24 – 0:33:26] Erik: It was a crazy storm.
[0:33:28 – 0:33:39] Erik: And so we didn’t end up having a fire, but this big rock, like flat rocky point, we just went down and like sat on and cooked brats just on the stove because it was so wet from the rain.
[0:33:40 – 0:33:41] Adam: Did you have any wine that night?
[0:33:42 – 0:33:44] Erik: We drank some bourbon under the rain fly.
[0:33:45 – 0:34:06] Erik: i didn’t bring any wine just some uh some bullet and some sailor jerry yeah yeah that’s a veteran move you’re gonna be able to do this um get me home yeah i think so okay be pretty impressive
[0:34:06 – 0:34:07] Adam: I’m going to guess Bananadad.
[0:34:07 – 0:34:08] Erik: Wow.
[0:34:09 – 0:34:09] Erik: Crazy.
[0:34:09 – 0:34:10] Erik: Nailed it.
[0:34:10 – 0:34:11] Adam: Right halfway.
[0:34:11 – 0:34:17] Adam: You’re halfway home from Cherokee to Poplar, and I happen to know you love Bananadad Lake.
[0:34:17 – 0:34:17] Adam: Yeah.
[0:34:18 – 0:34:19] Adam: It’s a beautiful lake also.
[0:34:19 – 0:34:20] Erik: You know that I made it to Bananadad.
[0:34:20 – 0:34:22] Erik: You know what campsite I camped at.
[0:34:22 – 0:34:23] Erik: Yeah, it’s on that island there.
[0:34:23 – 0:34:23] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[0:34:24 – 0:34:25] Erik: Yeah, it’s on that island there.
[0:34:25 – 0:34:25] Adam: All right.
[0:34:25 – 0:34:29] Adam: I’m back up to seven guesses out of eight.
[0:34:29 – 0:34:29] Adam: Wow.
[0:34:30 – 0:34:31] Adam: All right.
[0:34:31 – 0:34:32] Adam: I’m playing the game here.
[0:34:32 – 0:34:34] Erik: I shouldn’t have given you any hints.
[0:34:34 – 0:34:36] Erik: No, you didn’t need to.
[0:34:36 – 0:34:39] Adam: I almost guessed like horseshoe right away.
[0:34:39 – 0:34:44] Adam: I kind of was stumbling around there trying to figure out, gauge the level of fitness.
[0:34:44 – 0:34:47] Erik: Yeah, I think once you figure out what we were capable of.
[0:34:47 – 0:34:49] Adam: You can go all the way to Winchell 10 in one day.
[0:34:50 – 0:34:52] Adam: Then Brule was in range.
[0:34:52 – 0:34:55] Adam: So yeah, and then I got, you know, everybody knows.
[0:34:55 – 0:34:57] Erik: Cherokee was like our shortest day and it was mostly just due to weather.
[0:34:57 – 0:34:58] Adam: Yeah, Cherokee was a nice day.
[0:34:59 – 0:34:59] Adam: And then…
[0:35:00 – 0:35:07] Adam: And then, yeah, I kind of figured once you made it to Brule all the way in two, then I figured you probably are going to stop at Banadad on four.
[0:35:07 – 0:35:07] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:10] Adam: So then I was like, well, what’s halfway between Brule and Banadad?
[0:35:10 – 0:35:12] Adam: Cherokee is a little close there, but…
[0:35:13 – 0:35:18] Adam: Yeah, and then from Cherokee back to Poplar, Bananadad’s a very ideal stop there.
[0:35:18 – 0:35:22] Adam: There’s a couple tough portages, especially on the approach into Bananadad there.
[0:35:22 – 0:35:23] Adam: Oh, my God.
[0:35:23 – 0:35:24] Adam: You have a 195, a 180, and a 95.
[0:35:24 – 0:35:25] Adam: That 95 ain’t cheap either.
[0:35:25 – 0:35:25] Adam: No.
[0:35:25 – 0:35:26] Adam: It’s more of like a yellow 95.
[0:35:26 – 0:35:26] Adam: So, yeah.
[0:35:26 – 0:35:29] Adam: We were on Cherokee, and I knew we had one night.
[0:35:35 – 0:35:37] Adam: And you got rained on pretty hard the night before.
[0:35:37 – 0:35:37] Erik: Yep.
[0:35:38 – 0:35:42] Erik: And, you know, I was kind of trying to explain what our exit strategies were.
[0:35:42 – 0:35:45] Erik: I left a van at the Poplar Lake Public Access.
[0:35:45 – 0:35:47] Erik: So I’m like, we have the van at Poplar.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:48] Erik: We’ve got one day.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:56] Erik: We can either try to get back to the van or we can always exit up at round and just get a shuttle back or call it.
[0:35:56 – 0:35:56] Erik: Get right there.
[0:35:58 – 0:35:58] Erik: But…
[0:35:59 – 0:36:02] Erik: that leaves a relatively like two short days.
[0:36:03 – 0:36:14] Erik: And I could tell at this point they were, they were great to be out there with, but they weren’t like, besides wanting to maybe do a little bit more fishing, they, they definitely weren’t like, they wanted to kind of get up and go and do stuff.
[0:36:14 – 0:36:18] Adam: Did you get any time in the IR seat or did you, uh, do you think I got any time in the IR seat?
[0:36:18 – 0:36:20] Erik: No, I was in the backseat the whole time.
[0:36:20 – 0:36:20] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:20 – 0:36:21] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:36:21 – 0:36:23] Adam: Some people maybe want to paddle themselves like for a lake or two.
[0:36:24 – 0:36:26] Erik: No, I never really got that sense from them.
[0:36:27 – 0:36:32] Adam: But so I kind of… Yeah, you pay for the expert, you know, J-stroke back there.
[0:36:32 – 0:36:32] Adam: You don’t want to get that.
[0:36:33 – 0:36:33] Erik: That’s right.
[0:36:35 – 0:36:47] Erik: So I kind of threw the two options at them, you know, come out up, you know, go through Long Island, Ham, exit and maybe walk the road down to Round or go through lakes that like nobody ever goes through, super remote.
[0:36:47 – 0:36:49] Erik: And they’re like, that’s where we really like to camp like…
[0:36:50 – 0:36:58] Adam: off the beaten path like we don’t really ever camp at campgrounds and i’m like you would have really blown my mind if it was like night four sora wow
[0:36:59 – 0:36:59] Erik: Yeah.
[0:36:59 – 0:37:00] Erik: You and PMA?
[0:37:00 – 0:37:01] Erik: Oh, God.
[0:37:01 – 0:37:02] Erik: Super Saiyan.
[0:37:02 – 0:37:04] Erik: Yeah.
[0:37:04 – 0:37:09] Erik: I did explain to them how much wildlife there was down the Frost River.
[0:37:10 – 0:37:16] Erik: But then once I explained to them how many portages there were and how many beaver dams there probably would be, they kind of said, nah.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:16] Erik: Man, yeah.
[0:37:17 – 0:37:18] Adam: That would have been nuts.
[0:37:18 – 0:37:22] Adam: I mean, from Brule, though, you would have had to push all the way to Frost to set that up.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:37:22 – 0:37:23] Adam: No, it would have had to have happened.
[0:37:23 – 0:37:25] Adam: It was a little too early for that move.
[0:37:25 – 0:37:25] Erik: Exactly.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:26] Erik: Yeah.
[0:37:26 – 0:37:26] Erik: So…
[0:37:27 – 0:37:29] Erik: But yeah, so I’m like, these lakes are super remote.
[0:37:30 – 0:37:32] Erik: I guarantee the only tracks, and they wanted to see moose.
[0:37:33 – 0:37:38] Erik: And so I’m like, the only tracks we’re going to see on the portages between Long Island and Banadad are going to be moose tracks.
[0:37:39 – 0:37:40] Erik: I can almost guarantee it.
[0:37:41 – 0:37:42] Erik: Yeah, nobody goes through there.
[0:37:42 – 0:37:47] Erik: And it was just a ripping south wind on the day we left Cherokee, came out through Long Island.
[0:37:47 – 0:37:48] Erik: It was beautiful.
[0:37:48 – 0:37:51] Erik: It was one of those days where the clouds are moving through, so the light’s constantly changing.
[0:37:52 – 0:37:58] Erik: And I get up to like where this little island is and you got to kind of curve into that portage between Long Island and Cave.
[0:37:59 – 0:38:04] Erik: And sure as loon bleep, canoe is turning right in the same way.
[0:38:05 – 0:38:06] Erik: I’m like, you gotta be kidding me.
[0:38:06 – 0:38:07] Erik: There’s a group going.
[0:38:07 – 0:38:15] Erik: And so it’s like, well, it’s like playing a hole in nine and you get like that one group in front of you where you’re like, this is off season.
[0:38:15 – 0:38:16] Erik: There shouldn’t be anybody in front of me right now.
[0:38:17 – 0:38:18] Erik: Now I’ve got to go back and forth with these people.
[0:38:19 – 0:38:24] Erik: And so we get, I’m like three quarters of the way up to cave.
[0:38:25 – 0:38:31] Erik: And there I can tell, like, I’m like, so we get to the landing at the portage and they have two packs still.
[0:38:31 – 0:38:32] Erik: So I’m like, all right, we’re going to be fine.
[0:38:33 – 0:38:34] Erik: Because we were essentially single portaging.
[0:38:35 – 0:38:35] Erik: Yeah, I imagine.
[0:38:35 – 0:38:36] Erik: So I’m like, we’ll pass them.
[0:38:36 – 0:38:38] Adam: The canoe and the food pack or what?
[0:38:38 – 0:38:48] Erik: Yeah, so basically what we would do, which is the first time I’ve ever portaged like this, is I would take the canoe and the food pack across and then I would walk back.
[0:38:48 – 0:38:48] Erik: It was a husband and a wife.
[0:38:49 – 0:38:53] Erik: And then I would meet him, take his pack, and then go back to the lake.
[0:38:54 – 0:38:57] Erik: And then he would walk back and grab her pack and then come forward.
[0:38:57 – 0:39:00] Erik: So I was like, that’s like kind of like still single portaging.
[0:39:00 – 0:39:00] Erik: It was like 1.5.
[0:39:00 – 0:39:01] Adam: Yeah, it’s one and a halfs.
[0:39:02 – 0:39:06] Erik: So, yeah, we got to Cave and had essentially passed them.
[0:39:07 – 0:39:09] Erik: And I was like, I’d never see anybody out here.
[0:39:09 – 0:39:11] Erik: And they were like, yeah, neither do we.
[0:39:11 – 0:39:13] Erik: And I was like, who are you?
[0:39:15 – 0:39:17] Erik: But it didn’t sound like they were really from the area.
[0:39:17 – 0:39:18] Erik: So I don’t know who they were.
[0:39:19 – 0:39:22] Erik: But the portage from Long Island to Cave is like straightforward.
[0:39:23 – 0:39:25] Erik: It’s that portage from Cave into Ross.
[0:39:25 – 0:39:26] Erik: That one’s a toughie.
[0:39:26 – 0:39:34] Erik: There’s a bog where I literally went in up to my waist with the food pack and the canoe on.
[0:39:35 – 0:39:35] Erik: Yeah, twice.
[0:39:36 – 0:39:39] Erik: The last time it happened, I couldn’t even move.
[0:39:39 – 0:39:39] Erik: I had to…
[0:39:40 – 0:40:00] Erik: take the canoe off and then throw the food barrel into the canoe and then get in the canoe and then walk from the back of the canoe to the front of the canoe and then get off on like kind of the side of the bog and slide the canoe forward and do it again to get up on the solid land that’s an interesting technique yeah you should name that
[0:40:01 – 0:40:03] Erik: I’m like, all right, I’m going to break these people.
[0:40:04 – 0:40:06] Erik: And they were like super sturdy.
[0:40:06 – 0:40:09] Erik: And like, yeah, they’re like, well, we had a bog experience.
[0:40:09 – 0:40:10] Adam: Yes, you did.
[0:40:11 – 0:40:12] Erik: Yeah, you got the full experience there.
[0:40:12 – 0:40:17] Erik: That is a red 195 if I’ve ever seen one.
[0:40:17 – 0:40:18] Erik: Red 195.
[0:40:18 – 0:40:22] Erik: And the footing in there, it’s like it’s Vesperian Hills, you know, angled rocks.
[0:40:22 – 0:40:23] Erik: Yes.
[0:40:23 – 0:40:49] Erik: just gems gem mine holes that go down to the abyss who knows where that hole goes but it would snap my femur if i fell into it i guarantee it um and the landings are all like just little rocky nooks yeah um so they’re trying to get the footwork there even if you’re wet footing it it’s it’s tough um and then so yeah we got up into banadad and you uh dusted these cave people or what
[0:40:50 – 0:40:51] Erik: Yeah, we dusted them, of course.
[0:40:51 – 0:40:52] Adam: Bye.
[0:40:52 – 0:40:53] Adam: Yeah.
[0:40:54 – 0:40:56] Erik: They went by two hours later after we had been set up on.
[0:40:57 – 0:40:58] Adam: They went by you on Banadad?
[0:40:58 – 0:41:01] Erik: They went by us on Banadad at like five o’clock at night.
[0:41:01 – 0:41:01] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:02 – 0:41:03] Erik: Dang.
[0:41:03 – 0:41:04] Erik: We had been set up for a couple hours.
[0:41:04 – 0:41:05] Adam: That’s disheartening.
[0:41:05 – 0:41:06] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:41:06 – 0:41:07] Adam: Maybe it isn’t.
[0:41:07 – 0:41:07] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:41:08 – 0:41:09] Erik: It’s one of those things where it’s like, wow.
[0:41:09 – 0:41:11] Erik: I hope they weren’t going for that campsite.
[0:41:11 – 0:41:12] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:41:12 – 0:41:14] Adam: But where else are you going to stop?
[0:41:14 – 0:41:14] Adam: There’s nothing in there.
[0:41:15 – 0:41:18] Erik: Well, there’s that other site on the island on Baradad, which is actually not too bad.
[0:41:18 – 0:41:23] Adam: No, I’m just saying, like, yeah, from Long Island all the way to Baradad.
[0:41:23 – 0:41:24] Erik: No, there’s nothing.
[0:41:24 – 0:41:26] Erik: That’s probably one of the other reasons.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:27 – 0:41:30] Erik: There’s no campsite, so it’s like four portages or bust.
[0:41:30 – 0:41:31] Adam: Yeah, you got to get through it.
[0:41:31 – 0:41:32] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:32 – 0:41:37] Erik: And we went out trolling on Bannerdad that night and caught a couple of pike.
[0:41:38 – 0:41:39] Adam: No, it’s pike time.
[0:41:39 – 0:41:40] Erik: Yeah, it’s pike.
[0:41:40 – 0:41:40] Erik: That’s all we caught.
[0:41:40 – 0:41:41] Erik: There’s a lot at Bannerdad, right?
[0:41:41 – 0:41:42] Erik: Fishing was poor.
[0:41:42 – 0:41:44] Erik: Sure there is.
[0:41:44 – 0:41:50] Erik: But we didn’t see them on that island site, and I didn’t get the sense that they were at that one either because that one’s not really worth it.
[0:41:50 – 0:41:52] Adam: They ended up all the way down in Little Rush.
[0:41:52 – 0:41:53] Adam: They could have, yeah.
[0:41:53 – 0:41:53] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:41:53 – 0:41:55] Erik: There’s nothing on Little Rush either.
[0:41:55 – 0:41:56] Erik: It’s just that campsite on Skipper.
[0:41:56 – 0:41:57] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[0:41:57 – 0:42:02] Erik: And so then they, like, the other thing I was like, well, then we finished the trip with a mile-long portage.
[0:42:02 – 0:42:03] Adam: Yeah, but that’s a garden walk.
[0:42:03 – 0:42:04] Erik: Yeah, right.
[0:42:04 – 0:42:07] Erik: But I was like, it’s a really easy mile.
[0:42:07 – 0:42:07] Erik: They’re like, yeah, right.
[0:42:08 – 0:42:10] Erik: This is after, like, the bog experience and everything.
[0:42:10 – 0:42:11] Adam: Now you’ve lost their trust.
[0:42:11 – 0:42:12] Adam: Yeah.
[0:42:12 – 0:42:17] Erik: No, I’m like, no, it’s, like, honestly, probably one of the easiest mile-long portages between Poplar and Skipper.
[0:42:18 – 0:42:40] Erik: yeah it’s so nice and it was beautiful it was just like understory was like maxed out color sure yeah it was just a beautiful like crisp day smelled like you know you get that fall decay love it and then yeah paddled out to the car stopped at poplar house for a bite it was an excellent trip so yeah that’s a dream trip
[0:42:40 – 0:42:42] Erik: Yeah, I’m so happy I got that in.
[0:42:42 – 0:42:47] Adam: Honestly, I was like… You got a Winch, a Brule, a Cherokee, and the Banadad.
[0:42:47 – 0:42:48] Adam: I got Banadad in.
[0:42:48 – 0:42:49] Adam: The connoisseurs stop on Banadad.
[0:42:49 – 0:42:56] Erik: Yeah, it was like every one of those lakes, I’m like… With the exception of maybe Cherokee, and it’s nothing against Cherokee.
[0:42:56 – 0:42:57] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:42:57 – 0:42:58] Erik: It’s just…
[0:42:58 – 0:42:58] Erik: But…
[0:42:59 – 0:43:00] Erik: I don’t know what it is.
[0:43:00 – 0:43:03] Erik: I love it, but it’s not like the way that I felt waking up.
[0:43:03 – 0:43:07] Adam: Did I tell you, you know, Buddy Adrian was doing a trip with the British cousins.
[0:43:07 – 0:43:11] Erik: Oh, who couldn’t get like, they were really afraid of Zika, otherwise they’d lose their wings.
[0:43:11 – 0:43:12] Erik: That was where Mozzie’s kind of started.
[0:43:12 – 0:43:13] Adam: The Mozzie’s.
[0:43:14 – 0:43:15] Erik: Their flight wings because they were pilots.
[0:43:15 – 0:43:20] Adam: So then I was like telling him about how every time we’re on Cherokee, every single site’s taken and don’t go.
[0:43:20 – 0:43:22] Adam: And he was like, well, we’re heading that way.
[0:43:22 – 0:43:22] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:43:23 – 0:43:23] Adam: Yeah.
[0:43:23 – 0:43:26] Adam: And then they got there and he’s like, yeah, literally we didn’t like see anyone else on Cherokee.
[0:43:26 – 0:43:27] Adam: Yeah.
[0:43:27 – 0:43:29] Erik: Yeah, I think it’s the luck of the draw, but I saw more.
[0:43:29 – 0:43:31] Adam: You said Long Island was socked in.
[0:43:31 – 0:43:31] Adam: Interesting.
[0:43:31 – 0:43:34] Adam: And then they ended up in Cherokee, and Cherokee was empty, and they ended up picking the litter.
[0:43:35 – 0:43:37] Erik: Yeah, I think it’s just completely random.
[0:43:37 – 0:43:38] Erik: I guess so.
[0:43:38 – 0:43:41] Erik: Because we were on Winchell and didn’t see anybody.
[0:43:41 – 0:43:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:43:42 – 0:43:43] Erik: One site was taken that we saw.
[0:43:45 – 0:43:48] Erik: Nobody was up in Cone Bay, but I didn’t really go by many campsites on Brule.
[0:43:49 – 0:43:51] Erik: We saw most people out on Cherokee.
[0:43:51 – 0:43:54] Erik: We saw multiple occupied campsites and some folks on a portage.
[0:43:55 – 0:44:03] Erik: Right before that storm started, there was a couple of first-timers in an aluminum canoe, three-person, even though it was two people with the seat that flips over for the… Yeah.
[0:44:04 – 0:44:07] Erik: And they were taking that Cherokee to Sitka Portage, which has those two…
[0:44:08 – 0:44:09] Erik: It has the wall…
[0:44:09 – 0:44:11] Adam: Yeah, that’s kind of a tough one.
[0:44:11 – 0:44:15] Erik: Yeah, it’s like a four-foot rock slab with like one foot hole in it.
[0:44:15 – 0:44:16] Erik: And I’m like…
[0:44:17 – 0:44:20] Erik: So I dropped off the canoe and they were down there getting set up.
[0:44:21 – 0:44:24] Erik: And I went back and grabbed the pack from the guy.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:36] Erik: So I’m walking back with the pack and then this kid, they were young, he was coming back with like a pack and like a cooler and like a tent under an arm and like some other things swinging.
[0:44:36 – 0:44:36] Erik: And he’s like…
[0:44:37 – 0:44:37] Adam: Yeah.
[0:44:37 – 0:44:38] Adam: Loosey-goosey.
[0:44:38 – 0:44:41] Adam: It’s the first time, but it is always fun to see.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:41] Erik: It is.
[0:44:42 – 0:44:42] Erik: And it was funny.
[0:44:42 – 0:44:43] Erik: He’s like, almost there, right?
[0:44:44 – 0:44:46] Erik: I’m like, he’s just getting started.
[0:44:46 – 0:44:48] Erik: Yes.
[0:44:48 – 0:44:51] Erik: Because, I mean, I’m assuming he just thought, well, he’s coming back with a pack.
[0:44:51 – 0:44:53] Erik: He must have just gone back and grabbed it.
[0:44:53 – 0:44:53] Erik: Right.
[0:44:53 – 0:44:55] Adam: He didn’t know about the one-and-a-half move.
[0:44:55 – 0:44:55] Adam: No.
[0:44:56 – 0:44:56] Adam: But, yeah.
[0:44:56 – 0:44:58] Adam: It’ll be years down the road when we figure that move out.
[0:44:59 – 0:45:09] Erik: Yeah, their aluminum canoe, it was lined from front to back with one of those big blue tarps and like kind of like almost riveted in.
[0:45:09 – 0:45:12] Erik: I don’t know how it was like, maybe it sort of leaks or something.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:14] Erik: I don’t know what the thought process on that was.
[0:45:15 – 0:45:17] Adam: It’s like a quilt for your canoe.
[0:45:17 – 0:45:17] Erik: Yeah.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:23] Erik: And then we ran into some folks portaging up like between Gordon and Long Island.
[0:45:23 – 0:45:33] Erik: And then the one other group that we passed on the… Got to come up for a name for that chain between Long Island and Matadad.
[0:45:33 – 0:45:33] Erik: But…
[0:45:33 – 0:45:36] Erik: Like I was saying, it was just…
[0:45:36 – 0:45:37] Erik: The bog chain now.
[0:45:37 – 0:45:38] Erik: The bog chain, yeah.
[0:45:38 – 0:45:39] Erik: It was an amazing trip.
[0:45:39 – 0:45:44] Erik: Every morning I woke up, I was just like, damn, I love this lake.
[0:45:44 – 0:45:45] Erik: I love Winchell.
[0:45:45 – 0:45:46] Erik: I love Brule.
[0:45:47 – 0:45:48] Erik: Not so much like Cherokee.
[0:45:49 – 0:45:51] Erik: I think it maybe had something to do with where I woke up.
[0:45:51 – 0:45:56] Erik: I was like way up in the woods because the weather radio said like another band of rain was coming through overnight.
[0:45:57 – 0:45:59] Erik: So I had the hammock and the rain flyer like literally in the woods.
[0:45:59 – 0:46:01] Erik: So I woke up, it was just black and gray or whatever.
[0:46:02 – 0:46:06] Erik: And then that sweet site on Vanadad is I spent multiple nights at.
[0:46:07 – 0:46:10] Erik: So two new sites, two old friends.
[0:46:11 – 0:46:12] Erik: Excellent trip.
[0:46:12 – 0:46:15] Erik: Made some friends, actually, the people I was out there with.
[0:46:15 – 0:46:18] Erik: They were fine, fine people to spend five days in the woods with.
[0:46:18 – 0:46:18] Erik: So yeah.
[0:46:20 – 0:46:21] Erik: I want to try to do more of it.
[0:46:21 – 0:46:25] Erik: Every time I do one, I’m like, I want to go back.
[0:46:25 – 0:46:26] Erik: I want to go back out.
[0:46:26 – 0:46:29] Erik: So thanks for playing the game with me.
[0:46:29 – 0:46:30] Adam: That was a fun game.
[0:46:30 – 0:46:30] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:46:31 – 0:46:35] Erik: Some way you could maybe incorporate that into, it could maybe be its own game.
[0:46:35 – 0:46:35] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:36 – 0:46:41] Erik: Or it could be an expansion pack to the game we’re trying to create.
[0:46:41 – 0:46:41] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:42 – 0:46:46] Erik: More like a, kind of like a, I don’t even know what a game like that would, like a battleship.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:47] Erik: Right, right.
[0:46:47 – 0:46:48] Erik: Bon Jovi’s Battleship.
[0:46:49 – 0:46:53] Adam: Yeah, you just have a grid laid out, and then you place little pegs like you’re on Bandedad.
[0:46:53 – 0:46:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:46:54 – 0:46:59] Adam: It sounds like if we combine all of them, it would be like… Every board game combined into one called the Bobby Waters.
[0:46:59 – 0:47:02] Erik: B-W-C-A-D-N-D.
[0:47:02 – 0:47:06] Erik: It takes multiple weekends of getting together.
[0:47:06 – 0:47:07] Adam: Yeah.
[0:47:07 – 0:47:10] Adam: Do not… We have to play it in here in the off-seasons.
[0:47:10 – 0:47:14] Adam: We can just set it up on this table, and then nobody disturb the table.
[0:47:14 – 0:47:21] Adam: You’ve never had that happen where you’re playing a multi-day game of Risk and then somebody bumps the table?
[0:47:21 – 0:47:23] Erik: I’ve never had that happen, actually.
[0:47:23 – 0:47:24] Adam: It’s ugly.
[0:47:24 – 0:47:25] Erik: I’ve seen that episode of Seinfeld, though.
[0:47:26 – 0:47:27] Adam: Oh, there’s one?
[0:47:27 – 0:47:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:28 – 0:47:30] Erik: Kramer and Newman are playing a game of Risk.
[0:47:30 – 0:47:32] Erik: Oh, I haven’t seen this one.
[0:47:32 – 0:47:33] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:33 – 0:47:36] Erik: It ends and Jerry has to protect the board.
[0:47:36 – 0:47:40] Erik: And at one point, they’re on the subway train with the board.
[0:47:41 – 0:47:46] Erik: And he’s talking about how little importance Ukraine has in the game.
[0:47:46 – 0:47:48] Erik: And they’re sitting next to a Ukrainian.
[0:47:48 – 0:47:50] Erik: And he just smashes the board.
[0:47:51 – 0:47:52] Erik: And the pieces fly.
[0:47:52 – 0:47:52] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:53 – 0:47:53] Erik: So…
[0:47:54 – 0:47:57] Adam: Well, that sounded like a really nice trip.
[0:47:57 – 0:47:57] Erik: It was great.
[0:47:58 – 0:48:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:01 – 0:48:03] Adam: They made the right choice in hiring you as their guide.
[0:48:03 – 0:48:05] Adam: We’re this lucky couple from Oregon.
[0:48:06 – 0:48:06] Erik: Yep.
[0:48:06 – 0:48:07] Erik: And you pronounced it right.
[0:48:08 – 0:48:09] Adam: Oregon.
[0:48:09 – 0:48:10] Adam: Oregon.
[0:48:10 – 0:48:10] Adam: Oregano.
[0:48:11 – 0:48:11] Adam: Oregano.
[0:48:15 – 0:48:19] Adam: Yeah, so, you know, we were talking about this is kind of a game.
[0:48:20 – 0:48:26] Adam: And last week on the show, we were talking about the idea of fantasy, you know, fantasy Boundary Waters.
[0:48:26 – 0:48:29] Adam: Like, I’m going to pick La Bunga first overall.
[0:48:29 – 0:48:37] Erik: Have we ever actually described or said who, we’ve said LaBunga, LaBunga a lot, a bunch of times.
[0:48:38 – 0:48:44] Erik: It’s kind of like if people just like heard us say like pop in a wheel or pizza biters.
[0:48:44 – 0:48:46] Adam: Sometimes it’s nice to have a mystery in life.
[0:48:47 – 0:48:51] Erik: Well, I think we’ve said it enough times where it might be worth, especially if you’re going to have him.
[0:48:51 – 0:48:52] Adam: Especially if he’s first overall.
[0:48:52 – 0:48:53] Erik: Tier.
[0:48:53 – 0:48:53] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:53 – 0:48:54] Erik: What tier would you put LaBunga in?
[0:48:54 – 0:48:55] Erik: He’s tier one.
[0:48:55 – 0:48:57] Adam: I mean, he’s like the Connor McDavid of the Boundary Waters.
[0:48:58 – 0:48:58] Adam: Yeah.
[0:48:58 – 0:48:58] Adam: Honestly.
[0:48:59 – 0:49:11] Erik: Well, if you’re not aware, if you haven’t read it, it was an article in the Boundary Waters Journal a few years ago about this black French voyager who had superhuman strength, apparently.
[0:49:11 – 0:49:19] Erik: He’s part legend, maybe real, just in the amount that he could portage.
[0:49:20 – 0:49:26] Adam: I’m sure there’s elements of reality and elements of fantasy in even this story, this character.
[0:49:27 – 0:49:29] Erik: I don’t think it was quite Paul Bunyan-esque.
[0:49:29 – 0:49:30] Adam: Yeah, but it’s kind of like that.
[0:49:31 – 0:49:32] Adam: It’s like the Paul Bunyan of portaging.
[0:49:32 – 0:49:34] Erik: Yeah, yeah.
[0:49:34 – 0:49:36] Adam: That’s how I understood it.
[0:49:36 – 0:49:36] Adam: So, yeah.
[0:49:36 – 0:49:37] Adam: His name was Labunga, too.
[0:49:37 – 0:49:38] Adam: What a great name.
[0:49:38 – 0:49:38] Erik: Yeah.
[0:49:38 – 0:49:42] Erik: So, if you want to learn more about Labunga, Labunga, I don’t know.
[0:49:42 – 0:49:42] Erik: It’s one of those.
[0:49:42 – 0:49:47] Adam: And we were also saying, like, yeah, maybe Kevlar should be the first overall pick.
[0:49:47 – 0:49:53] Adam: Or maybe it should be just Charlie Bostrom first overall.
[0:49:53 – 0:50:00] Erik: I think that that was the hardest thing for me to contextualize with a Boundary Waters fantasy.
[0:50:01 – 0:50:02] Erik: Is it just people?
[0:50:02 – 0:50:04] Adam: Is it people and gear?
[0:50:04 – 0:50:07] Adam: What about just having a good lighter?
[0:50:07 – 0:50:11] Adam: Because I was asking people all week, what is your number one piece of gear?
[0:50:12 – 0:50:14] Adam: What would you take first?
[0:50:15 – 0:50:18] Adam: And then I had a few people just say, I don’t know, something to start a fire?
[0:50:19 – 0:50:20] Adam: Well, that’s a good answer.
[0:50:20 – 0:50:22] Adam: I mean, I don’t know what we’re even playing for, though.
[0:50:22 – 0:50:24] Adam: What’s the point structure?
[0:50:24 – 0:50:25] Erik: Well, that’s the thing.
[0:50:25 – 0:50:34] Erik: So when we’ve been corresponding back and forth in terms of how anything like this would ever shape up or work out, you were kind of like, well, it’s more like a thought experiment.
[0:50:34 – 0:50:37] Erik: We’re not necessarily going to actually put this into action.
[0:50:37 – 0:50:39] Erik: What’s the point, though, if we’re not going to actually play it?
[0:50:39 – 0:50:52] Erik: Well, I know, but then I did get an email from somebody who said that the way that you could determine scoring would be to involve the community more.
[0:50:54 – 0:50:57] Erik: So you start this league, however many people…
[0:50:57 – 0:51:01] Erik: And then you, this all still needs to be worked out.
[0:51:01 – 0:51:04] Erik: Like, however, the drafting would work for whatever it is.
[0:51:04 – 0:51:09] Erik: But then, because then it’s like, okay, well, yeah, I’ve got Kevlar, Dorothy Malter.
[0:51:09 – 0:51:11] Erik: And Duncan Lake.
[0:51:11 – 0:51:12] Erik: Yeah, Duncan Lake and.
[0:51:13 – 0:51:14] Erik: And the stairway.
[0:51:14 – 0:51:19] Adam: I also, I stack, I got the stack of Duncan Lake and the stairway portage and Rose Falls.
[0:51:19 – 0:51:20] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:51:20 – 0:51:21] Adam: I didn’t get Rose Falls.
[0:51:21 – 0:51:23] Adam: I got sniped on that, but I did get the overlook.
[0:51:23 – 0:51:25] Adam: So I’ve got that sweet stack going.
[0:51:25 – 0:51:26] Erik: Yes.
[0:51:26 – 0:51:30] Erik: It’s basically like drafting Dylan Larkin and Anthony Manta.
[0:51:30 – 0:51:30] Adam: Pretty much.
[0:51:30 – 0:51:31] Adam: I mean, yeah.
[0:51:31 – 0:51:33] Erik: Goal and assist Otto.
[0:51:33 – 0:51:34] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:34 – 0:51:37] Erik: So, but then it’s like, well, okay, what do you do with that information?
[0:51:37 – 0:51:37] Erik: Yeah.
[0:51:37 – 0:51:40] Erik: The idea that came in an email, I don’t have it right in front of me.
[0:51:41 – 0:51:46] Erik: Well, if this ever does turn into a game that brings us vast amounts of currency, we will…
[0:51:48 – 0:52:06] Erik: promptly forget that email but they were saying like so what you could do is then on top of like already having kind of like a question of the week then you just say like vote for the best between these two things
[0:52:06 – 0:52:07] Erik: Uh-huh.
[0:52:07 – 0:52:07] Erik: It’s like a bracket.
[0:52:08 – 0:52:14] Erik: And then whatever of those two things gets the most votes, then that gets points.
[0:52:14 – 0:52:21] Adam: So it’s like a March Madness bracket in which you kind of get your picks ahead of time and then have the community vote on things?
[0:52:21 – 0:52:22] Erik: Yeah, I don’t think it can be a…
[0:52:27 – 0:52:54] Erik: you know well the whole bracket thing just like got my mind spinning off into an entirely different thing where it could be like Tiva Sandals yeah it could just be like items of the Boundary Waters March Madness bracket yeah it would be like we should do that second round oh yeah next March we should do a Boundary Waters bracket alright alright board game that is Pizza Biters versus Larch Creek Entry Point that’s a pretty I don’t know how you decide those two they’re both great
[0:52:55 – 0:52:55] Erik: Yeah.
[0:52:55 – 0:53:01] Erik: No, I think that’s way more of a real possibility that I would definitely love to put together.
[0:53:02 – 0:53:06] Erik: I think our website could probably host that, tumblehomepodcast.com.
[0:53:06 – 0:53:08] Erik: That would be easy enough to have voting on there.
[0:53:08 – 0:53:14] Erik: Otherwise, can you start like a vote thing on Facebook?
[0:53:14 – 0:53:19] Adam: There’s probably like a website where you can just do custom brackets and have people make entries.
[0:53:19 – 0:53:19] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:20 – 0:53:43] Adam: yeah all right we’ll look into that but that’s an entirely different thing like where it’s like it would be like a bracket of 64 i think we could just have a bracket we publish and then we have people vote on the on the competitions between the you know and then every week okay well we had this many votes for pizza biters and this many votes for large creek entry point yeah obviously yeah nobody’s voting for large creek entry point
[0:53:43 – 0:53:44] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:53:44 – 0:53:45] Erik: Maybe they are.
[0:53:45 – 0:53:45] Erik: Probably not.
[0:53:46 – 0:53:47] Erik: Up against Pizza Biters, that’s like a 1-16.
[0:53:47 – 0:53:49] Adam: Pizza Biter’s a one seed for sure.
[0:53:49 – 0:53:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:49 – 0:53:51] Adam: La Bunga’s a one seed.
[0:53:51 – 0:53:55] Adam: I mean, you know, Large Creek entry point’s a real Cinderella story, though.
[0:53:55 – 0:53:56] Adam: It could be.
[0:53:56 – 0:53:57] Adam: A lot of Leicester down there.
[0:53:58 – 0:53:58] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:58 – 0:54:00] Adam: The Beaver vote might get to them.
[0:54:01 – 0:54:02] Adam: So this is a whole other game now.
[0:54:02 – 0:54:02] Adam: I know.
[0:54:02 – 0:54:03] Adam: It’s kind of spun off of it.
[0:54:04 – 0:54:14] Adam: And then, yeah, because I was like, well, for fantasy boundary waters, you’ve got to start two lakes, one portage, one piece of gear.
[0:54:14 – 0:54:14] Adam: Well, yeah.
[0:54:14 – 0:54:20] Adam: You’ve got a wild card flex spot and possibly a person you’d want to paddle with.
[0:54:21 – 0:54:22] Adam: What else do we have?
[0:54:23 – 0:54:25] Adam: And maybe you want to name a campsite even.
[0:54:26 – 0:54:29] Erik: Hmm, that sounds… Yeah, but how do you score that?
[0:54:29 – 0:54:30] Adam: That’s way too deep.
[0:54:30 – 0:54:37] Adam: Yeah, we were trying to think of it in terms of fantasy hockey, where you have certain positions that you would need to fill in a draft.
[0:54:38 – 0:54:44] Adam: But that’s great, and it would be a lot of fun to just do a mock draft of things you want to draft and get your positions filled, but…
[0:54:45 – 0:54:46] Adam: In reality, how do you score that?
[0:54:47 – 0:54:52] Adam: And then, especially if you’re going on a trip, it’s like, well, yeah, everybody knows you’re going for Winchell and Brule first.
[0:54:52 – 0:54:54] Adam: So like those lakes are going to get drafted right away.
[0:54:54 – 0:54:58] Adam: And then you just get points because you achieved getting to Winchell.
[0:54:58 – 0:54:59] Adam: That’s not really that exciting.
[0:55:00 – 0:55:00] Erik: Yeah.
[0:55:00 – 0:55:02] Erik: No, I think that there is something here.
[0:55:03 – 0:55:09] Erik: I don’t think that the fantasy aspect of it is the avenue we should travel down.
[0:55:10 – 0:55:18] Erik: I think I liked the idea when you were saying earlier about asking people like what their number one piece of equipment would be.
[0:55:19 – 0:55:21] Erik: I think you take the…
[0:55:22 – 0:55:31] Erik: I think you take out the lakes, the portages, and the campsites out of the equation in terms of stuff that you can draft.
[0:55:31 – 0:55:31] Erik: Yeah.
[0:55:32 – 0:55:34] Erik: And that’s the board game.
[0:55:34 – 0:55:36] Erik: The lakes, the campsites, and the portages.
[0:55:36 – 0:55:38] Erik: Yeah, that’s Tom Holm, the board game.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:47] Erik: But the way that you start the game is by drafting your equipment, which has different…
[0:55:47 – 0:55:54] Erik: They would be like cards, essentially, which have attributes that would allow you to get to different places easier or faster.
[0:55:55 – 0:56:03] Erik: So essentially, you’d be like, okay, so you have… With your pick, you can take Charlie Bostrom, who’s going to give you…
[0:56:04 – 0:56:05] Erik: Extra portaging skill.
[0:56:05 – 0:56:11] Erik: This much speed boost, this much that or whatever, but or… Plus you’re eating beaver tail for dinner every night.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:18] Erik: Yeah, or which is maybe be like a little bit of a… You’d have to argue what that would be for like sustenance points.
[0:56:19 – 0:56:19] UNKNOWN: But…
[0:56:20 – 0:56:25] Erik: Or you could take, so the game would start with a round, like a round of drafting.
[0:56:26 – 0:56:27] Adam: And then you start moving.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:34] Erik: And then it’s, I think it would almost be like, you’d have to kind of boil it down in terms of like a race.
[0:56:35 – 0:56:35] Erik: Right.
[0:56:36 – 0:56:38] Erik: With dice being involved in terms of weather.
[0:56:39 – 0:56:45] Adam: This would be a whole other board game, the Bostrom classic, the board game, trying to do the clear water loop as fast as possible.
[0:56:45 – 0:56:47] Erik: Or it could be like to alien back.
[0:56:47 – 0:56:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:47 – 0:56:49] Erik: Go get your Dairy Queen.
[0:56:49 – 0:56:50] Erik: The Dairy Queen challenge.
[0:56:50 – 0:56:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:51 – 0:57:02] Erik: So I think we’re essentially what this podcast has become is the literal brainstorming of us trying to figure out how to make a Boundary Waters board game.
[0:57:02 – 0:57:04] Adam: Yeah, well, there’s a lot of avenues here.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:11] Adam: And then while I was thinking about how fantasy boundary orders is pretty much impossible to actually make that happen, just on its own.
[0:57:12 – 0:57:12] Adam: On its own, I think, yeah.
[0:57:12 – 0:57:17] Adam: If you’re trying to make it like playing fantasy hockey, that’s just not going to happen.
[0:57:17 – 0:57:18] Adam: There’s no way to score it.
[0:57:18 – 0:57:19] Adam: It’s ridiculous.
[0:57:19 – 0:57:21] Adam: It’s funny to think about.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:22] Erik: But I like the idea of drafting things.
[0:57:22 – 0:57:24] Erik: Yeah, me too.
[0:57:25 – 0:57:27] Erik: If you value things more, you can…
[0:57:28 – 0:57:34] Adam: And that’s kind of like playing me against you or multiple people against other people.
[0:57:34 – 0:57:36] Adam: You’re playing against people.
[0:57:36 – 0:57:45] Adam: So then I was thinking, what would be better is a community game where everybody’s playing the same game together towards one goal.
[0:57:46 – 0:57:51] Adam: And the easiest way to do this, and I think it would be a really easy way to put this together quickly…
[0:57:52 – 0:57:54] Adam: was Boundary Waters Bingo.
[0:57:55 – 0:57:56] Adam: Yes.
[0:57:56 – 0:58:00] Adam: We played various forms of fun bingo where you just make your own bingo card.
[0:58:01 – 0:58:03] Adam: It would be really easy to make a Boundary Waters Bingo.
[0:58:04 – 0:58:06] Adam: I made several lists here.
[0:58:07 – 0:58:10] Adam: There’s 25 spaces on a bingo card.
[0:58:10 – 0:58:11] Erik: While you’re out in the park?
[0:58:12 – 0:58:12] Erik: Yes.
[0:58:12 – 0:58:19] Adam: Before you start a trip, you have a group bingo card, and then as you’re traveling, you can mark things off.
[0:58:19 – 0:58:20] Erik: Are they all the same?
[0:58:21 – 0:58:22] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:58:22 – 0:58:24] Adam: I would just say your whole group has one card.
[0:58:25 – 0:58:25] Erik: Sure.
[0:58:25 – 0:58:26] Erik: So it’s more like a scavenger hunt.
[0:58:26 – 0:58:27] Adam: Yeah, it is.
[0:58:27 – 0:58:28] Adam: It’s kind of just playing it.
[0:58:28 – 0:58:31] Adam: It’s like an addition to whatever you’re doing as a group.
[0:58:31 – 0:58:34] Adam: Then you have this card, which you mark off.
[0:58:34 – 0:58:36] Erik: This seems like it would be a really good thing for kids.
[0:58:36 – 0:58:37] Adam: Yeah, I think that exactly.
[0:58:37 – 0:58:41] Adam: I thought this would be like a fun one for like a group with youngins with them.
[0:58:41 – 0:58:48] Adam: You could have something as simple as like seeing an eagle or a loon on there or catching a fish.
[0:58:48 – 0:58:48] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:49 – 0:58:53] Adam: Or somebody I was talking to today at work was like, what about a tree burl?
[0:58:54 – 0:58:56] Adam: I was like, yes, I would have never thought of that.
[0:58:56 – 0:58:57] Adam: That’s a great one.
[0:58:57 – 0:58:59] Adam: Like, yeah, I found a tree with a burl on it.
[0:58:59 – 0:59:00] Adam: Yeah.
[0:59:01 – 0:59:03] Adam: Or a latrine with a lid.
[0:59:03 – 0:59:05] Adam: If you get a campsite with a lidded latrine –
[0:59:05 – 0:59:07] Adam: That one might be a little too specific.
[0:59:07 – 0:59:09] Erik: Or a lid that comes off.
[0:59:10 – 0:59:16] Erik: I would say that it’s like that just had like the lid that was like it was there, but you could have hucked it in the lake if you wanted.
[0:59:16 – 0:59:18] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:59:18 – 0:59:23] Adam: You know, there’s lots of like you could have, you know, ooh, I saw you could have like a multi-spot.
[0:59:23 – 0:59:26] Adam: Like I saw a shooting star or the Northern Lights.
[0:59:26 – 0:59:27] Erik: Yeah.
[0:59:27 – 0:59:29] Adam: An aerial phenomenon could be a spot.
[0:59:29 – 0:59:33] Adam: I was thinking for the free spot in the middle that there’s two options.
[0:59:33 – 0:59:43] Adam: You could either have wearing your personal flotation device, which that should be an automatic and a free spot, or like picking up micro litter or something like that.
[0:59:44 – 0:59:47] Erik: Or watching the Leave No Trace video.
[0:59:47 – 0:59:53] Adam: Yeah, or just like actually, I have this literally written down, actually reading the permit rules.
[0:59:54 – 0:59:55] Adam: Yeah.
[0:59:55 – 0:59:56] Adam: So that could be your free spot.
[0:59:56 – 1:00:04] Adam: And then, yeah, there could be various deeds like, yeah, cleaning up a litter or collecting kindling or doing a single portage.
[1:00:05 – 1:00:05] Erik: Yeah.
[1:00:05 – 1:00:07] Adam: Or saying nothing for one hour.
[1:00:08 – 1:00:09] Adam: I’ve got a good list here going.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:11] Adam: Just saying nothing for one hour.
[1:00:11 – 1:00:13] Adam: You know that would be a huge challenge for me.
[1:00:13 – 1:00:13] Erik: That’s tough.
[1:00:14 – 1:00:15] Erik: That is tough for me.
[1:00:15 – 1:00:18] Adam: My favorite of the deeds category was wood gnoming a campsite.
[1:00:19 – 1:00:21] Adam: I had to explain to people at work today what wood gnoming was.
[1:00:21 – 1:00:22] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:00:22 – 1:00:23] Erik: I had to on the trip.
[1:00:24 – 1:00:28] Adam: I’m not even sure how it became named that way, but I can kind of explain it.
[1:00:29 – 1:00:30] Adam: Gnomes would leave firewood.
[1:00:30 – 1:00:33] Erik: Well, it’s just like one of those things that how do you explain how it got there?
[1:00:34 – 1:00:42] Erik: We don’t use the alternative of that as much as the gnoming, but I remember the wood episode from last year.
[1:00:42 – 1:00:44] Erik: Are you wood gnome or are you wood goblin?
[1:00:45 – 1:00:45] Adam: Goblins.
[1:00:45 – 1:00:48] Adam: Yeah, the wood goblin.
[1:00:48 – 1:00:49] Erik: Goblin that wood up.
[1:00:49 – 1:00:52] Adam: Yeah, you’re not getting any bingo spots for wood goblining.
[1:00:52 – 1:00:52] Erik: No.
[1:00:53 – 1:00:55] Adam: But, yeah, you would know I’m a campsite.
[1:00:55 – 1:00:56] Adam: Check that one off, and look at that.
[1:00:56 – 1:00:57] Adam: We got the four corners.
[1:00:58 – 1:00:58] Adam: Yep.
[1:00:58 – 1:01:04] Adam: So that kind of, like, evolved for me today, just brainstorming while I was making soup that…
[1:01:04 – 1:01:09] Adam: Fantasy Boundary Waters is tough, but Fantasy Bingo, you could literally add the lodge here.
[1:01:09 – 1:01:16] Adam: You could like, here’s your map, here’s your laminated bingo card, and here’s your camp stove.
[1:01:16 – 1:01:20] Erik: I know that they make those road trip ones where they have the sliding things.
[1:01:21 – 1:01:22] Erik: Yes.
[1:01:22 – 1:01:25] Adam: I would have to think there’s got to be even an outfitter out there already doing this.
[1:01:26 – 1:01:28] Adam: It’s pretty obvious in my idea.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:28] Adam: Maybe.
[1:01:28 – 1:01:30] Adam: If somebody isn’t doing Boundary Waters Bingo…
[1:01:30 – 1:01:32] Adam: And this is the first mention of it?
[1:01:32 – 1:01:33] Adam: Come on.
[1:01:33 – 1:01:41] Erik: I can’t imagine that it’s the first mention of it, but depending on how much anybody wants to put the time and effort into actually making it.
[1:01:41 – 1:01:42] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:47] Erik: But yeah, I like the ideas of some of the more broad things, but some of the really cool specific things like the burl.
[1:01:48 – 1:01:48] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:48 – 1:01:50] Erik: On this last trip, the- The owl hoot.
[1:01:51 – 1:01:52] Erik: Yeah, the mushrooms were insane.
[1:01:52 – 1:01:53] Adam: Mushrooms.
[1:01:53 – 1:01:54] Adam: I didn’t even think of mushrooms.
[1:01:54 – 1:02:06] Erik: There was so many perfectly round, flat-topped, pure as the Antarctic snow white mushrooms on these portages.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:08] Erik: They were just beautiful.
[1:02:09 – 1:02:11] Adam: They had written down like lady slippers.
[1:02:11 – 1:02:12] Erik: Yeah, little things like that would be fun.
[1:02:13 – 1:02:15] Adam: So yeah, basically this episode.
[1:02:15 – 1:02:18] Adam: Yeah, you could just have a spot like bird I’ve never seen before.
[1:02:18 – 1:02:19] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:19 – 1:02:22] Adam: And then if you’re on a July, like a June trip.
[1:02:22 – 1:02:29] Erik: We didn’t have any birds that I’d never seen before on my trip, but I’ve never seen Winchell was like, you might as well.
[1:02:30 – 1:02:33] Erik: I do like the name Winchell, but I think you should change the name of that.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:34] Erik: Like the Kingfisher.
[1:02:35 – 1:02:38] Erik: It was Kingfishers every like 30 seconds.
[1:02:39 – 1:02:45] Erik: I don’t know if it was like the lake or the time of year, but they were flying and squawking and fishing.
[1:02:45 – 1:02:46] Erik: It was crazy.
[1:02:46 – 1:02:47] Erik: Right on.
[1:02:47 – 1:02:50] Erik: But yeah, we’ve come up with a lot of good ideas.
[1:02:50 – 1:02:51] Adam: Another one would be like wind.
[1:02:53 – 1:02:53] Adam: Just wind?
[1:02:53 – 1:02:54] Adam: West wind.
[1:02:54 – 1:02:57] Adam: Like that could be a bingo spot or a fantasy draw or…
[1:02:58 – 1:03:00] Adam: It could be involved in a lot of our games.
[1:03:00 – 1:03:08] Erik: Well, I like the wind and the terrain to be a part of the board and the roll of the dice.
[1:03:08 – 1:03:09] Adam: Yes, for sure.
[1:03:09 – 1:03:12] Erik: And the things that you draft are cards that you can play against it.
[1:03:13 – 1:03:14] Adam: Yeah, like, ooh, you drew a hard west wind.
[1:03:14 – 1:03:18] Adam: Like, sorry, I got Charlie Bostrom on my team, and that doesn’t matter.
[1:03:18 – 1:03:19] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[1:03:19 – 1:03:20] Adam: Yeah, I like it.
[1:03:20 – 1:03:20] Adam: Yeah.
[1:03:21 – 1:03:30] Adam: So, you know, I don’t know if we’re ever going to fully arrive at the correct way to make a game, but we’ve got a lot of ideas floating out there right now.
[1:03:30 – 1:03:36] Erik: I think I’m closer to – I think the fantasy thing is unless somebody wants to like –
[1:03:37 – 1:03:40] Erik: Come at us with a better idea on how that would maybe work.
[1:03:40 – 1:03:44] Erik: I just don’t see how that would be feasible or fun for more than just, like, one time.
[1:03:45 – 1:03:45] Adam: Yeah, it would be tough.
[1:03:45 – 1:03:48] Erik: But I think that there is something there with, like…
[1:03:48 – 1:03:49] Erik: It would be very…
[1:03:50 – 1:03:52] Erik: I think the more dense, the better.
[1:03:53 – 1:04:00] Erik: But I think it would be a dense, like, board with cards and dice game.
[1:04:00 – 1:04:01] Adam: And tiles.
[1:04:01 – 1:04:02] Erik: Yeah, and tiles.
[1:04:02 – 1:04:03] Erik: But I also…
[1:04:04 – 1:04:11] Erik: Yeah, throwing the tiles in the Carcassonne or the Catan style, that makes it tough.
[1:04:11 – 1:04:16] Erik: I think playing with the map table that we’re on right now.
[1:04:16 – 1:04:19] Adam: Right, and you just have spots and a shake.
[1:04:19 – 1:04:22] Erik: Yeah, you’d have to contact W.A.
[1:04:22 – 1:04:30] Erik: Fisher and see if you could get a condensed version printed onto cardboard that would fold that you could pull out.
[1:04:31 – 1:04:35] Erik: Cause as it lays right now, it’s a little, you know, it’s only a quarter of the boundary waters.
[1:04:35 – 1:04:44] Adam: Well, it was pointed out to us that, um, the first mention of boundary tumble home, the board game was made like last December rapidly approaching one year.
[1:04:44 – 1:04:49] Adam: And like, and I, I guarantee you we’ll have a prototype workable prototype within one year.
[1:04:49 – 1:04:49] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:49 – 1:04:55] Adam: So, well, you know, um, we’re going to be on break here shortly and I’m going to have more time on my hands to work on this.
[1:04:56 – 1:05:00] Adam: So obviously the gears listeners are still spinning and, uh,
[1:05:00 – 1:05:02] Adam: We’re having something happening.
[1:05:02 – 1:05:03] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:03 – 1:05:04] Adam: Something is happening.
[1:05:04 – 1:05:04] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:05 – 1:05:05] Adam: Do you have anything else?
[1:05:06 – 1:05:10] Adam: I had one more item I wanted to bring up on this like current events episode.
[1:05:10 – 1:05:11] Adam: Which is what it is.
[1:05:11 – 1:05:14] Adam: Current events and giving away all of our million dollar ideas.
[1:05:14 – 1:05:18] Adam: Now we’re just patenting them via podcast.
[1:05:18 – 1:05:22] Adam: It’s like when you write an idea down and mail it to yourself and then it’s like, see, it was postmarked.
[1:05:23 – 1:05:24] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:05:24 – 1:05:25] Adam: This date in 2018.
[1:05:25 – 1:05:26] Adam: Yeah.
[1:05:26 – 1:05:27] Adam: I don’t know if that actually is legally.
[1:05:27 – 1:05:29] Adam: I don’t know if that holds up in court.
[1:05:29 – 1:05:31] Adam: I’ve heard that’s a cheap way to patent something.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:37] Erik: But I think talking into a microphone and publishing it for a few hundred people to listen to, that for sure patents an idea.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:38] Erik: Yeah.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:38] Erik: It’s our evidence.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:39] Erik: So we’re good.
[1:05:39 – 1:05:39] Erik: We’re good.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:44] Adam: So yeah, this is our current events episode.
[1:05:44 – 1:05:49] Adam: And one more thing I wanted to talk about is it just isn’t going to fit in any other episode.
[1:05:49 – 1:05:50] Adam: Okay.
[1:05:50 – 1:05:51] Adam: The Tower of Terror.
[1:05:51 – 1:05:51] Adam: Yeah.
[1:05:52 – 1:05:53] Adam: The ride?
[1:05:53 – 1:05:55] Adam: Oh, it’s a ride, baby.
[1:05:56 – 1:06:01] Adam: So I don’t know how often I’ve mentioned this on the podcast, but I’m terrified of gravity.
[1:06:01 – 1:06:03] Adam: Not so much heights.
[1:06:03 – 1:06:08] Adam: I love to get the window seat on an airplane and I’ll just stare out that window all day.
[1:06:08 – 1:06:13] Erik: Yeah, I’m way more scared of being in a plane than I am of like being on high place.
[1:06:13 – 1:06:15] Erik: Really, I’m the opposite.
[1:06:15 – 1:06:16] Adam: I’m not scared of heights.
[1:06:16 – 1:06:19] Adam: I’m scared of gravity, like where I could fall off of a tower or something.
[1:06:20 – 1:06:26] Adam: What I’ve, you know, Natalie and I were kind of talking and it’s like, I’ve never been like, I’ve never fallen off a roof.
[1:06:26 – 1:06:28] Adam: I’ve never been dropped that I can remember.
[1:06:28 – 1:06:30] Erik: Maybe that’s why you’re so afraid of it.
[1:06:30 – 1:06:31] Adam: Well, I don’t know.
[1:06:31 – 1:06:35] Adam: But then I concluded that I was like pushed to my death in my past life.
[1:06:36 – 1:06:45] Adam: That’s probably, there’s some sort of deep like second life or fifth life fear buried in my code, so to speak.
[1:06:46 – 1:06:47] Adam: So I don’t know why, though.
[1:06:47 – 1:06:48] Adam: That’s my best theory.
[1:06:48 – 1:06:51] Adam: But I’m terrified of being on anything.
[1:06:51 – 1:06:53] Adam: Like I had to go on the roof to clean the chimney once.
[1:06:54 – 1:06:54] Adam: Just the roof.
[1:06:55 – 1:07:01] Adam: And it was like, I’m fine on the roof, but then having to get from the roof back on the ladder, I’m real rickety.
[1:07:01 – 1:07:02] Adam: I don’t like it.
[1:07:02 – 1:07:03] Erik: You’re overthinking it.
[1:07:03 – 1:07:04] Adam: I know.
[1:07:04 – 1:07:06] Adam: That’s just everything, right?
[1:07:08 – 1:07:08] Adam: So I just don’t like it.
[1:07:09 – 1:07:10] Adam: And then…
[1:07:12 – 1:07:14] Adam: I think it was probably three, four years ago.
[1:07:14 – 1:07:26] Adam: I went with you and Vanny and we were going to go climb a fire tower and we got out there and you and Vanny went right up and I, I made it like to the second landing and then there’s one board missing and I like fainted.
[1:07:27 – 1:07:28] Adam: And then kind of rolled back down the stairs.
[1:07:28 – 1:07:29] Adam: And I was like, I can’t do it.
[1:07:30 – 1:07:32] Adam: You guys went up and had a great time.
[1:07:32 – 1:07:36] Erik: And I just stood at the bottom of the tower like, no.
[1:07:37 – 1:07:38] Adam: I fainted again.
[1:07:39 – 1:07:39] Adam: That’s just how it went.
[1:07:41 – 1:07:44] Adam: I’ve just never done well with any sort of heights like that.
[1:07:45 – 1:07:54] Adam: We were on the Goose Rock on the Pigeon River trip, and I was standing back from the edge like 25 feet, like, don’t go over there.
[1:07:54 – 1:07:57] Adam: Multiple times we were yelling out, you’re too close to the edge.
[1:07:57 – 1:07:59] Adam: Even if Natalie goes too close to the edge, like, stop it.
[1:08:00 – 1:08:04] Adam: It was making me nervous watching somebody else even be close to the edge.
[1:08:04 – 1:08:05] Adam: Right.
[1:08:05 – 1:08:06] Adam: But I don’t know.
[1:08:06 – 1:08:10] Adam: There’s something in me that I felt like, I can give this another try.
[1:08:11 – 1:08:12] Adam: I think I can overcome this.
[1:08:12 – 1:08:14] Adam: And everybody said, you got to face your fears.
[1:08:15 – 1:08:16] Adam: And it’s all in your head.
[1:08:16 – 1:08:20] Adam: And the only way to overcome a fear of heights, you’ve got to learn to do it gradually.
[1:08:21 – 1:08:22] Adam: But it’s a learned behavior.
[1:08:23 – 1:08:24] Adam: And you can overcome it.
[1:08:24 – 1:08:26] Adam: I don’t know if I believe this, but…
[1:08:26 – 1:08:28] Adam: Something in me was like, I think we can do it.
[1:08:28 – 1:08:30] Adam: And the fall colors were amazing.
[1:08:30 – 1:08:36] Adam: And then one of our other friends, Josh and Sarah, had gone up this tower that’s nearby.
[1:08:36 – 1:08:39] Adam: I don’t think we’re going to say where it is exactly.
[1:08:39 – 1:08:40] Adam: You can do some research if you want to climb a tower.
[1:08:40 – 1:08:42] Erik: It’s so easy to tell which one it is.
[1:08:42 – 1:08:49] Erik: It’s like in the last two years, there’s not very many days that go by in the fall that I don’t see pictures of it.
[1:08:49 – 1:08:50] Erik: It’s pretty much blown up at this point.
[1:08:50 – 1:08:53] Erik: I’m shocked that I can go up there and
[1:08:53 – 1:09:22] Adam: not running we ran into a guy who was like a pretty decent photographer and like has a large following yeah on instagram and he was like how did you hear about this maybe if you would stop posting about it well he doesn’t though he was like oh he’s like hashtag sawtooth bluffs hashtag tower like he’s not saying on his feed where it is so he’s doing his part to try and keep it secret i don’t know why it has to be kept secret but whatever there’s a couple towers up here you can still climb
[1:09:22 – 1:09:27] Adam: There’s a lot of towers that are on maps, such as the Brule Lake Tower, which isn’t there.
[1:09:27 – 1:09:29] Adam: You can find the footings for it.
[1:09:29 – 1:09:29] Adam: It’s gone.
[1:09:29 – 1:09:33] Adam: Yeah, the Lima Mountain Tower, not there anymore, et cetera.
[1:09:34 – 1:09:37] Erik: The only ones that really do exist are up on the Grand Portage Reservation.
[1:09:37 – 1:09:37] Erik: Right.
[1:09:37 – 1:09:42] Adam: For whatever reason, the Grand Portage tribe, they’ve left theirs up.
[1:09:43 – 1:09:50] Adam: And there used to be a tower every 20 miles in a whole grid across the whole northern part of the state watching for fires and whatnot.
[1:09:50 – 1:09:51] Adam: So they’re everywhere.
[1:09:52 – 1:09:52] Adam: No longer.
[1:09:52 – 1:09:53] Adam: They’re not around.
[1:09:53 – 1:09:55] Adam: But most of them are all built in the 30s.
[1:09:55 – 1:09:56] Adam: These rickety tin buckets.
[1:09:57 – 1:09:58] Adam: T-100s.
[1:09:58 – 1:09:59] Adam: Sky buckets.
[1:09:59 – 1:10:00] Adam: It’s ridiculous.
[1:10:01 – 1:10:03] Adam: So anyways, I got the bright idea.
[1:10:03 – 1:10:04] Adam: I was like, we should just try and go climb it.
[1:10:04 – 1:10:08] Adam: You know, like if Natalie goes ahead and just climbs, like I’ll just go because I…
[1:10:08 – 1:10:09] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:10:09 – 1:10:10] Adam: I can’t wimp out again.
[1:10:10 – 1:10:12] Adam: I got to make it to the top of one of these things.
[1:10:12 – 1:10:16] Adam: And it was also the start of peak leaf at this time.
[1:10:17 – 1:10:20] Adam: We’re kind of reaching the middle to end of peak leaf as we record this.
[1:10:20 – 1:10:20] Adam: At least for the maples.
[1:10:21 – 1:10:26] Adam: By the time this episode comes out on Sunday, I think that’s probably going to be the end of the last really good weekend.
[1:10:27 – 1:10:31] Adam: I suspect this weekend is going to be pretty busy up here for leafing.
[1:10:31 – 1:10:31] Erik: Yeah.
[1:10:32 – 1:10:34] Adam: And yeah, this, these towers are in the maple vein.
[1:10:34 – 1:10:37] Adam: And so anyways, we, we’ve like get rough directions.
[1:10:37 – 1:10:41] Adam: We drive out after work on, uh, there’s a weekday.
[1:10:41 – 1:10:45] Adam: It was like one of the few days, this week, this whole month that it wasn’t raining.
[1:10:45 – 1:10:50] Adam: It was actually like kind of sunny and most importantly, not windy, not windy.
[1:10:50 – 1:10:50] Adam: That’s right.
[1:10:50 – 1:10:51] Adam: It was pretty calm.
[1:10:51 – 1:10:57] Adam: And we got done with work and I’m like, we were kind of thinking about going on a couple of days, but the weather didn’t look so great for that day.
[1:10:57 – 1:10:59] Adam: And it was like, I don’t know what if we just go right now?
[1:11:00 – 1:11:01] Adam: It’s really not that far from our house.
[1:11:02 – 1:11:02] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:02 – 1:11:03] Adam: We’ll just go.
[1:11:03 – 1:11:05] Adam: And so Natalie’s like, all right.
[1:11:05 – 1:11:09] Adam: We kind of got like changed into some hiking boots and all right, we’re off.
[1:11:11 – 1:11:13] Adam: We get out there and we park and we hike up the thing.
[1:11:13 – 1:11:14] Adam: It’s just beautiful.
[1:11:14 – 1:11:14] Adam: Like this…
[1:11:15 – 1:11:19] Adam: It’s just one of those forests hiking up to it where there’s like…
[1:11:19 – 1:11:22] Adam: The forest floor is a carpet of red maple leaves.
[1:11:22 – 1:11:25] Adam: Like they’re red on the ground like they just had fallen.
[1:11:25 – 1:11:25] Adam: Yeah.
[1:11:25 – 1:11:26] Adam: You know, they didn’t turn…
[1:11:27 – 1:11:28] Adam: It was just red floor…
[1:11:28 – 1:11:49] Adam: big like huge cedars and big maples and just this open forest floor hiking up this pretty steep hill and yeah we get up to the top and there it is the tower yeah and i’m like oh my god there’s like a spruce tree just growing up through the middle of it there’s no sign or nothing like you expect there’s gonna be a sign like don’t go up there
[1:11:49 – 1:11:53] Adam: Remember when we went to Angel’s Landing in Zion and there’s literally a sign at the steep part of the top?
[1:11:53 – 1:11:55] Erik: Eight people have died here in the last week.
[1:11:55 – 1:11:57] Adam: In the last week, eight people died.
[1:11:57 – 1:11:58] Erik: Proceed at your own risk.
[1:11:59 – 1:11:59] Erik: Yeah.
[1:11:59 – 1:12:01] Adam: And it’s like, I’m expecting to see something like that.
[1:12:01 – 1:12:02] Adam: Nothing.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:03] Adam: It’s just, here it is.
[1:12:03 – 1:12:04] Adam: There’s no gate in front of it.
[1:12:05 – 1:12:05] Adam: Yeah.
[1:12:05 – 1:12:06] Adam: Just hike up this thing if you want.
[1:12:06 – 1:12:15] Erik: I was just thinking about the 20 feet that you made into the true handrail chain link.
[1:12:15 – 1:12:17] Erik: Yeah, that’s another example.
[1:12:17 – 1:12:22] Adam: I didn’t make it to the top of Angel’s Landing because of my insane monkey brain fear.
[1:12:23 – 1:12:24] Erik: Now, that’s a nuts trail.
[1:12:25 – 1:12:29] Erik: That one is borderline, like, I couldn’t imagine doing that with people coming up and going down.
[1:12:30 – 1:12:30] Erik: Yeah.
[1:12:30 – 1:12:31] Erik: But, yeah, anyway.
[1:12:32 – 1:12:34] Adam: Well, so I didn’t get to do that one either.
[1:12:35 – 1:12:36] Adam: But that one had a warning sign.
[1:12:37 – 1:12:37] Adam: Like, that didn’t help.
[1:12:38 – 1:12:38] Erik: Yeah.
[1:12:38 – 1:12:39] Adam: And so this had nothing.
[1:12:39 – 1:12:41] Adam: It was just like, well, go up there if you want.
[1:12:41 – 1:12:43] Adam: I guess nobody’s going to stop you.
[1:12:43 – 1:12:43] Erik: Yeah.
[1:12:44 – 1:12:46] Adam: And they’re not really discouraging you in any way.
[1:12:47 – 1:12:50] Adam: And I’m sure they would just leave this tower up if it’s not safe, right?
[1:12:50 – 1:12:51] Adam: Yeah.
[1:12:51 – 1:12:59] Adam: So we get going and, you know, we make it up like five of the, there’s about 15 flights from what I can remember of stairs.
[1:13:00 – 1:13:04] Adam: And, uh, we make it up about five or six flights of those stairs.
[1:13:04 – 1:13:09] Adam: And we, so we get above the spruce tree and like the street, the surrounding trees, uh,
[1:13:10 – 1:13:11] Adam: Oh, my God.
[1:13:11 – 1:13:15] Adam: And I’m like, it’s not even windy, but the whole thing’s kind of wobbling.
[1:13:15 – 1:13:16] Erik: It is a little wobbly.
[1:13:16 – 1:13:17] Erik: Kind of creaking.
[1:13:17 – 1:13:20] Adam: And these pieces of metal look like little toothpicks.
[1:13:20 – 1:13:22] Erik: It’s like, how is this thing standing?
[1:13:22 – 1:13:23] Adam: How are we alive?
[1:13:24 – 1:13:26] Adam: This is crazy.
[1:13:26 – 1:13:27] Adam: I know you said no loon bleeps.
[1:13:28 – 1:13:28] Adam: I’ll keep it civil.
[1:13:28 – 1:13:32] Adam: But I was cursing and muttering and nearly fainting again.
[1:13:33 – 1:13:37] Adam: I literally had to sit down and clutch the inside railing, and I’m just shaking.
[1:13:38 – 1:13:40] Adam: And Natalie’s like, I’m just going to go up one more flight of stairs.
[1:13:40 – 1:13:43] Adam: And she gets up there and she’s like, oh, it’s really pretty up here.
[1:13:43 – 1:13:46] Adam: And I’m like, oh, my God, like I’m above the trees.
[1:13:46 – 1:13:50] Adam: It was that shock zone from like being in the trees to going above the trees.
[1:13:51 – 1:13:52] Adam: That really messed me up.
[1:13:52 – 1:13:54] Adam: And I’m sitting there and I’m like, I can’t do it.
[1:13:55 – 1:14:01] Adam: I kind of like control my breathing a little bit and okay, I’ll go up one more flight into sea.
[1:14:01 – 1:14:04] Adam: And then from that flight, you could see there was a missing board at the next landing.
[1:14:04 – 1:14:10] Adam: It was like, well, it’s either like I go now and go past this thing and fight through it.
[1:14:10 – 1:14:12] Adam: Or I just, I turn around and wimp out again.
[1:14:13 – 1:14:15] Adam: And I just, like, couldn’t wimp out again.
[1:14:15 – 1:14:17] Adam: And I just went.
[1:14:17 – 1:14:22] Adam: And I just went real fast, like, from there to the top, like, as fast as I could go.
[1:14:22 – 1:14:26] Adam: But I realized soon after passing the missing board and the, like, seventh landing.
[1:14:26 – 1:14:34] Erik: I’m just picturing, like, a scene from a movie where it’s, like, somebody jumping across a gap with that music, like, ya-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na.
[1:14:34 – 1:14:38] Erik: Just you jumping across the six foot, the six inch gap.
[1:14:38 – 1:14:40] Adam: Well, the thing is you didn’t even have to actually cross the gap.
[1:14:40 – 1:14:42] Adam: It was kind of the outside of the landing.
[1:14:42 – 1:14:45] Adam: So you kind of like do the scooch, scooch, scooch right around the inside of it.
[1:14:46 – 1:14:46] Adam: So I did that.
[1:14:46 – 1:14:49] Erik: Well, you could apply that sound effect to you just scooching.
[1:14:49 – 1:14:50] Adam: Well, I was moving too then.
[1:14:51 – 1:15:02] Adam: But what I realized was once you get above the trees and that initial wave of fear hit you, then after that, going up another landing or another three landings, there was no difference.
[1:15:02 – 1:15:05] Adam: You’re just out there on this rickety tin can.
[1:15:06 – 1:15:07] Adam: It’s all as scary.
[1:15:07 – 1:15:14] Adam: There’s this massive spike in fear, and then it doesn’t get any more scary than that after that.
[1:15:15 – 1:15:16] Adam: We got to the top.
[1:15:16 – 1:15:19] Adam: There’s kind of this bucket, which is enclosed at the top.
[1:15:19 – 1:15:20] Erik: It has a little roof on it.
[1:15:20 – 1:15:25] Adam: Yeah, there’s a little roof, and one side actually has some windows yet, and then the other windows are gone.
[1:15:25 – 1:15:27] Adam: And there’s kind of a little table in the middle.
[1:15:27 – 1:15:34] Adam: And I kind of just got to the top and was clutching this table in the middle and kind of peeking over the railings and like, oh, this is really pretty.
[1:15:35 – 1:15:58] Adam: and it kind of like you could see then to the north from there like the pigeon river valley the trip we had done in july of the the whole grand portage trip we did yeah kind of like brought the whole season full circle it was beautiful up there the maples were just like lit you could see the other tower there’s two yeah because it’s it looks over the lakes
[1:15:59 – 1:16:01] Adam: Yeah, and you could see Isle Royale.
[1:16:01 – 1:16:02] Adam: It was nice and clear.
[1:16:02 – 1:16:03] Adam: It was beautiful.
[1:16:03 – 1:16:03] Erik: Yeah.
[1:16:04 – 1:16:07] Adam: We had brought a little tiny bottle of white wine and enjoyed.
[1:16:07 – 1:16:10] Adam: I don’t know if enjoyed is the right word, but we enjoyed it.
[1:16:11 – 1:16:15] Adam: So that was a new experience living up here.
[1:16:15 – 1:16:18] Erik: Yeah, if you want to know where that fire tower is, just send us an email.
[1:16:18 – 1:16:19] Adam: We’ll tell you.
[1:16:19 – 1:16:21] Adam: Yeah, I’ll send you a hand-drawn map on how to get to it.
[1:16:21 – 1:16:23] Adam: It’s really not hard to find.
[1:16:23 – 1:16:25] Adam: Pretty easy to drive to, actually.
[1:16:25 – 1:16:26] Adam: We did hike in.
[1:16:26 – 1:16:30] Erik: It is still on the edge of being a hidden gem of the Northwoods.
[1:16:30 – 1:16:34] Adam: Yeah, it’s one of the things where I’ve always wanted to do it since I got up here.
[1:16:34 – 1:16:38] Adam: And it was years ago that I went with you guys and failed to go up the tower.
[1:16:39 – 1:16:40] Adam: And so it’s always been in the back of my mind.
[1:16:40 – 1:16:43] Adam: Next time the leaves are looking good, I’m going to go do one of those towers.
[1:16:43 – 1:16:44] Adam: I can do it.
[1:16:44 – 1:17:09] Adam: yeah and i you know what i did it eric that’s awesome congratulations but then i realized like the next day i woke up and like my i had been like shaking my legs were shaking so bad like i was gripping the railing so hard like going down actually going down is not that bad because you can just like look at your feet and the boards kind of overlap so you actually can’t see down you just see the boards yeah and your feet and i was gripping so hard and shaking and you’re sore
[1:17:10 – 1:17:11] Adam: I was like sore, sore.
[1:17:12 – 1:17:17] Adam: Like I had done like a multi-day boundary waters trip or something with like big packs.
[1:17:18 – 1:17:25] Adam: So I never had experienced that kind of like shaking adrenaline soreness in the legs, but it was worth it.
[1:17:25 – 1:17:28] Erik: I had been telling people the one that you didn’t come up to with me and Vanny.
[1:17:29 – 1:17:30] Adam: I would like to check that one out next.
[1:17:30 – 1:17:37] Adam: I think now that I’ve like kind of figured out that you just got to get past that first wave of fear and then it’s just, it’s not any more scary.
[1:17:37 – 1:17:38] Adam: Yeah.
[1:17:38 – 1:17:43] Adam: I just assumed, like, if it’s this scary, two landings up, the top’s going to be 20 times scarier.
[1:17:43 – 1:17:44] Adam: Like, it’s not, you know.
[1:17:45 – 1:17:47] Adam: I assume if it’s really windy, then maybe.
[1:17:47 – 1:17:47] Adam: Maybe.
[1:17:48 – 1:17:49] Erik: On a convay, not bad.
[1:17:49 – 1:17:52] Erik: How about that one that we went up to where you had to climb a ladder?
[1:17:52 – 1:17:53] Erik: No ladders.
[1:17:53 – 1:17:54] Adam: I’m not doing the ladder one.
[1:17:54 – 1:17:55] Adam: These are stairs.
[1:17:55 – 1:17:56] Erik: That one was even bad for me.
[1:17:56 – 1:17:58] Erik: I’m like, what is the hell?
[1:17:58 – 1:17:58] Erik: Are you nuts?
[1:17:58 – 1:17:59] Erik: What am I doing?
[1:17:59 – 1:18:01] Adam: I kept telling people all week, then I was like,
[1:18:02 – 1:18:03] Adam: They’re like, was it worth it?
[1:18:03 – 1:18:08] Adam: I was like, oh, it was absolutely terrifying, but also exhilarating.
[1:18:09 – 1:18:09] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:09 – 1:18:12] Adam: So, yes, it was worth it.
[1:18:12 – 1:18:13] Adam: I’m glad I did it.
[1:18:13 – 1:18:13] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:13 – 1:18:16] Erik: So send us an email for any questions, obviously.
[1:18:16 – 1:18:18] Erik: But if you want to know where that is, we’ll tell you.
[1:18:18 – 1:18:23] Adam: That was my story on the Tower of Terror.
[1:18:23 – 1:18:25] Adam: And it was quite beautiful.
[1:18:26 – 1:18:27] Erik: It was quite beautiful.
[1:18:28 – 1:18:28] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:28 – 1:18:34] Erik: There’s definitely places up here that I will never tell people about, but, yeah, fire towers are up there.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:34] Erik: Go for it.
[1:18:34 – 1:18:35] Adam: They’re easy to find.
[1:18:35 – 1:18:35] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:18:35 – 1:18:36] Adam: They’re there.
[1:18:37 – 1:18:38] Adam: It’s a good time of year to check them out.
[1:18:38 – 1:18:39] Erik: Yeah, for sure.
[1:18:40 – 1:18:42] Erik: Boy, this turned into an episode.
[1:18:43 – 1:18:43] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:43 – 1:18:44] Adam: They always do.
[1:18:44 – 1:18:45] Adam: They always do.
[1:18:45 – 1:18:45] Erik: Yeah.
[1:18:45 – 1:19:11] Erik: So we’re coming back next week with an episode that we’ve had multiple people ask us about, and it’s just general, you know, living up in the Northwoods, actually moving up here, what it’s like, pros and cons, kind of a, maybe it kind of relatively similar to this episode in terms of like just us sort of talking, but we’ve got a little bit more of an outline and kind of a list of,
[1:19:12 – 1:19:15] Adam: I have started my list of pros and cons.
[1:19:15 – 1:19:18] Adam: Yeah, we’ve got a… My Leslie Knope-esque list.
[1:19:18 – 1:19:23] Erik: I’ve got a pros and cons, and then I’ve got tips and tricks to actually transitioning up here.
[1:19:23 – 1:19:31] Erik: And then if you do find yourself having been moved from anywhere else into where we live, that can maybe help you out.
[1:19:31 – 1:19:33] Erik: So that’s next week.
[1:19:33 – 1:19:35] Erik: This week is kind of a…
[1:19:35 – 1:19:39] Erik: It’s just been like a month since we’ve really kind of recalibrated…
[1:19:41 – 1:19:49] Erik: Where we’ve been and maybe penciled in a little bit of some harder lines on a Boundary Waters game.
[1:19:49 – 1:19:49] Erik: I don’t know.
[1:19:50 – 1:19:53] Adam: Well, I enjoyed trying to guess where you had gone to.
[1:19:53 – 1:19:54] Adam: That was a lot of fun.
[1:19:54 – 1:19:56] Adam: It’s just been nice sitting by the big old map table too.
[1:19:56 – 1:19:58] Erik: Yeah, for you, you were in the perfect position.
[1:19:58 – 1:20:00] Erik: It’s all facing you in the right direction.
[1:20:00 – 1:20:06] Erik: I have no idea if you don’t have a map in front of you if that’s going to be interesting at all, but pull on a map.
[1:20:06 – 1:20:08] Adam: Yeah, we should have disclamered this whole thing.
[1:20:08 – 1:20:10] Adam: Like, get out every map you got.
[1:20:10 – 1:20:12] Erik: Yeah, what do you want to call this episode?
[1:20:14 – 1:20:14] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:20:14 – 1:20:16] Adam: We’ll have to think about it in post.
[1:20:16 – 1:20:20] Erik: It would have been a beautiful ending if you could have just named it right there.
[1:20:21 – 1:20:21] Erik: I didn’t know.
[1:20:21 – 1:20:23] Erik: I didn’t have it.
[1:20:23 – 1:20:23] Adam: Yeah, I know.
[1:20:23 – 1:20:25] Adam: So this has been episode 73.
[1:20:26 – 1:20:32] Adam: And remember, too, coming up in a couple episodes, we’ll be touching on our question of the week.
[1:20:33 – 1:20:34] Adam: Go ahead and check that out.
[1:20:34 – 1:20:37] Adam: I think it’s on Reddit and on Facebook.
[1:20:37 – 1:20:39] Adam: It’s, what do you look for in a paddling partner?
[1:20:40 – 1:20:40] Erik: Yeah.
[1:20:41 – 1:20:43] Adam: And that’s a big, that’s a big question too.
[1:20:44 – 1:20:51] Adam: Uh, you know, further into the queue, we’ve got, uh, we’re going to do a ghost hunting expedition in Clearwater Lodge.
[1:20:52 – 1:20:56] Adam: Uh, we’re not sure when that’s going to be scheduled for, but, uh, and we’re getting into the spooky season.
[1:20:56 – 1:21:00] Erik: Yeah, we are also getting close to winding down season two.
[1:21:00 – 1:21:12] Erik: We’re definitely not taking as much of a break as last year, but we do want to do what we did at the end of season one, and that is recap your trip’s highlights, lowlights, midlights.
[1:21:13 – 1:21:23] Erik: Black lights, any lights from your season on the water, on the trail, just throwing it out there.
[1:21:23 – 1:21:26] Erik: It will be probably one of the last questions of the week.
[1:21:26 – 1:21:27] Erik: LED party lights.
[1:21:27 – 1:21:29] Erik: So send us those emails as well.
[1:21:29 – 1:21:30] Erik: Where’d you go this year?
[1:21:30 – 1:21:31] Erik: Big fish?
[1:21:31 – 1:21:32] Erik: Crazy storms?
[1:21:32 – 1:21:33] Erik: I’m sure you got wet.
[1:21:33 – 1:21:35] Erik: It was a wet one out there this year.
[1:21:36 – 1:21:37] Erik: So yeah, but that’ll do it.
[1:21:37 – 1:21:38] Adam: I like my water wet.
[1:21:39 – 1:21:40] Adam: Do you like your water wet?
[1:21:41 – 1:21:41] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[1:21:41 – 1:21:42] Adam: Okay.
[1:21:43 – 1:21:45] Erik: All right, there’s the Lizzo quote for you.
[1:21:47 – 1:21:48] Adam: I have been Eric.
[1:21:49 – 1:21:56] Adam: And I’ve been Francois Le Castor coming to you live from Studio O.
[1:21:56 – 1:21:58] Adam: First ever show in Studio O.
[1:21:58 – 1:21:59] Adam: It’s been a real banger.
[1:21:59 – 1:22:00] Erik: It has been.
[1:22:00 – 1:22:05] Erik: And we’re probably going to come back with another one right away.
[1:22:05 – 1:22:06] Erik: I’m feeling good.
[1:22:06 – 1:22:07] Adam: I’m a thick boy.
[1:22:07 – 1:22:08] Adam: I need tempo.
[1:22:10 – 1:22:11] Adam: Paddle up for the tempo.
[1:22:12 – 1:22:13] Adam: Happy paddling, folks.
[1:22:13 – 1:22:15] Adam: And as always…
[1:22:16 – 1:22:17] Adam: I love you, Jake.