171: Blizzard Warning

Episode Transcript

[0:00:37 – 0:00:39] Adam: This is a message from the National Weather Service.
[0:00:40 – 0:00:42] Adam: Blizzard warning for all of Cook County.
[0:00:44 – 0:00:49] Adam: Blizzard warning remains in effect until 6 a.m. Central Standard Time Monday.
[0:00:49 – 0:00:51] Adam: Blizzard conditions expected.
[0:00:51 – 0:00:55] Adam: Snow totals accumulating to 10 to 16 inches.
[0:00:55 – 0:00:58] Adam: Winds gusting as high as 45 miles per hour.
[0:01:00 – 0:01:02] Adam: Southern Cook County.
[0:01:02 – 0:01:06] Adam: This includes the tribal lands of the Grand Portage Reservation.
[0:01:07 – 0:01:08] Adam: All right, there you go.
[0:01:09 – 0:01:13] Adam: Welcome to Tumble Home, a blizzard podcast.
[0:01:14 – 0:01:15] Adam: We’ve put the nets away.
[0:01:15 – 0:01:16] Adam: Now we’re into blizzards.
[0:01:17 – 0:01:20] Erik: Blizzy boys coming at you from the shed.
[0:01:20 – 0:01:32] Erik: Nothing says Tumble Home and or Minnesota like driving through a blizzard to your friend’s place to sit in a shed and record a podcast.
[0:01:33 – 0:01:34] Adam: We played around a disc golf first.
[0:01:34 – 0:01:35] Erik: Yeah, we did.
[0:01:35 – 0:01:38] Erik: We threw a full round of blizzard golf.
[0:01:38 – 0:01:41] Adam: There was some pretty poor putting out there.
[0:01:41 – 0:01:42] Adam: Not going to lie.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:01:43 – 0:01:44] Erik: My hands got cold.
[0:01:45 – 0:01:45] Erik: I’ll tell you that.
[0:01:48 – 0:01:48] Erik: Yeah, welcome.
[0:01:49 – 0:01:51] Erik: Welcome to the shed, the blustery shed.
[0:01:51 – 0:01:59] Erik: If you hear any rattling garage doors and or buffeting winds… Is that a term?
[0:02:01 – 0:02:03] Erik: I can see out the window it is still…
[0:02:04 – 0:02:10] Erik: I don’t know if I would use the term puking snow, but it’s…
[0:02:12 – 0:02:14] Erik: It’s spitting up snow right now.
[0:02:14 – 0:02:15] Erik: There’s a good amount of snow coming down.
[0:02:16 – 0:02:19] Erik: It is a fine mist of snow.
[0:02:21 – 0:02:23] Erik: It’s probably like three or four inches on the ground right now.
[0:02:24 – 0:02:26] Erik: First big storm of the winter.
[0:02:26 – 0:02:27] Erik: It’s been a minute.
[0:02:27 – 0:02:32] Erik: It’s been a long time, actually, since we’ve had a nice solid storm of this kind, seemingly.
[0:02:32 – 0:02:34] Adam: Yeah, I hope we do get the foot.
[0:02:34 – 0:02:35] Erik: I want the foot.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:36] Adam: I want a meter.
[0:02:36 – 0:02:37] Erik: Give us the foot.
[0:02:39 – 0:02:52] Erik: It’s one of those things, you see that nice, that scary slash sexy slash exciting graphic of like, ooh, when those snow totals, when the colors turn orange.
[0:02:52 – 0:02:53] Adam: Yeah, when I see 20 inches.
[0:02:54 – 0:02:58] Erik: Yeah, when you get those little red lines too, where it’s like, ooh, we’re in the bullseye for the red.
[0:02:58 – 0:03:00] Adam: I get a little bothered.
[0:03:01 – 0:03:02] Erik: Yeah, you get a little of that tingly.
[0:03:02 – 0:03:03] Erik: It’s a snow day for both of us.
[0:03:03 – 0:03:04] Adam: It is.
[0:03:04 – 0:03:05] Adam: Yeah, snow day.
[0:03:06 – 0:03:08] Adam: Fired up the snowblower yesterday.
[0:03:08 – 0:03:09] Adam: Got all ready for the snow day.
[0:03:10 – 0:03:10] Erik: Nice.
[0:03:11 – 0:03:13] Adam: Probably after the show, I’ll get out and snowblow.
[0:03:13 – 0:03:13] Adam: That’ll be fun.
[0:03:14 – 0:03:14] Erik: Yeah.
[0:03:15 – 0:03:17] Erik: Yeah, it’s, I don’t know.
[0:03:17 – 0:03:18] Erik: The heater’s going.
[0:03:18 – 0:03:20] Erik: It’s warm enough in here.
[0:03:20 – 0:03:21] Adam: Pretty nice, actually.
[0:03:21 – 0:03:23] Erik: It’s not too cold outside, though, either.
[0:03:23 – 0:03:24] Erik: Like, I don’t know.
[0:03:24 – 0:03:29] Erik: It’s supposed to be in the below, like, zero single digits in the next couple of nights.
[0:03:30 – 0:03:40] Erik: So if those temperatures start coming down the line, it might not be as viable in here unless we pull out the full-blown, like, pipeline parkas.
[0:03:42 – 0:03:43] Adam: Yeah, yeah.
[0:03:43 – 0:03:45] Adam: We could podcast in a parka.
[0:03:45 – 0:03:47] Adam: I don’t see any reason why we couldn’t.
[0:03:47 – 0:03:48] Erik: It wouldn’t be noisy at all.
[0:03:49 – 0:03:57] Adam: Today is Ron Schera Outdoor Calendar Fact of the Day for December 5th, 2021.
[0:03:59 – 0:04:01] Adam: Careful for thin ice.
[0:04:01 – 0:04:02] Adam: Thank you, Ron.
[0:04:03 – 0:04:05] Adam: Sunset is at 4.31 p.m.
[0:04:05 – 0:04:11] Adam: Going to want to have your snowblower out and done the first scrape before sunset tonight, folks.
[0:04:11 – 0:04:16] Adam: You don’t want to let it accumulate, and then you’re in over your head, over your auger blades.
[0:04:16 – 0:04:17] Adam: You don’t want that.
[0:04:17 – 0:04:17] Erik: Nope.
[0:04:19 – 0:04:23] Adam: This is episode 0171 of Tumble Home, a Boundary Writers podcast.
[0:04:23 – 0:04:26] Adam: Tonight on the show, quotas.
[0:04:28 – 0:04:28] Adam: Question mark.
[0:04:28 – 0:04:29] Adam: Degradations.
[0:04:29 – 0:04:31] Erik: Degradation.
[0:04:32 – 0:04:33] Erik: Permits.
[0:04:35 – 0:04:41] Adam: Yes, we’re going to talk about the vague new language from our friends at the Forest Service.
[0:04:43 – 0:04:47] Adam: Always coming with a solid D- effort on public relations.
[0:04:48 – 0:04:54] Adam: Going to announce a hot new topic and not give any details whatsoever.
[0:04:54 – 0:04:55] Adam: We’re going to make some guesses, though.
[0:04:56 – 0:05:03] Adam: We’re going to do the Forest Service work for them and just announce what lakes are going to be affected by the permit restrictions.
[0:05:04 – 0:05:04] Erik: Eric knows all.
[0:05:06 – 0:05:07] Adam: Sources tell him.
[0:05:07 – 0:05:09] Erik: I don’t have any sources anymore.
[0:05:09 – 0:05:12] Erik: I don’t even know if as an outfitter, which I am no longer.
[0:05:12 – 0:05:13] Adam: You’re always an outfitter.
[0:05:14 – 0:05:16] Adam: Once an outfitter, always an outfitter.
[0:05:16 – 0:05:20] Erik: But I don’t get early access to those insider emails that they would send out.
[0:05:21 – 0:05:22] Erik: But, you know.
[0:05:23 – 0:05:27] Adam: That show the thought process behind policy.
[0:05:28 – 0:05:31] Erik: When I think U.S. Forest Service, I think forthrightness.
[0:05:33 – 0:05:33] Adam: Me too, I agree.
[0:05:33 – 0:05:42] Erik: We’re going to be upfront, clear in our intentions, why we came to this conclusion, and what we think about it going forward.
[0:05:43 – 0:05:46] Adam: And we’ll give lots of clear details so people understand the policy.
[0:05:47 – 0:05:55] Adam: Tonight’s first sponsor is some tapach I made and somehow didn’t consume all of it on Thanksgiving.
[0:05:55 – 0:05:57] Adam: Eric saved us a little.
[0:05:57 – 0:05:58] Adam: Ready?
[0:05:58 – 0:06:00] Adam: This is fermented pineapple beverage.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:02] Erik: Hey.
[0:06:02 – 0:06:04] Erik: That sounded pretty good.
[0:06:04 – 0:06:05] Erik: That did sound pretty good.
[0:06:05 – 0:06:06] Adam: Got her into a little Grolsch here.
[0:06:07 – 0:06:09] Adam: Or is this the hard apple cider I made?
[0:06:09 – 0:06:11] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:06:11 – 0:06:11] Adam: You be the judge.
[0:06:12 – 0:06:13] Erik: I don’t want to be the judge.
[0:06:13 – 0:06:16] Adam: Where’s our little tumblers?
[0:06:16 – 0:06:21] Erik: Popping open a half-filled bottle of Grolsch of some kind of mystery drink.
[0:06:21 – 0:06:22] Erik: You be the judge.
[0:06:24 – 0:06:25] Erik: You freak Charles Manson.
[0:06:25 – 0:06:27] Erik: I fermented my own piss.
[0:06:28 – 0:06:30] Erik: Oh, the chalices are coming out.
[0:06:31 – 0:06:32] Adam: Ash pottery chalices.
[0:06:33 – 0:06:34] Erik: It’s a Blizzard podcast.
[0:06:34 – 0:06:35] Adam: Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew.
[0:06:35 – 0:06:38] Adam: Multiple drink sponsors will be had.
[0:06:38 – 0:06:40] Adam: Eric has turned the lights to blue setting.
[0:06:40 – 0:06:41] Erik: Stay tuned.
[0:06:41 – 0:06:41] Erik: Blue setting.
[0:06:42 – 0:06:43] Erik: Blizzard warning is in effect.
[0:06:44 – 0:06:49] Erik: We’ve got some mystery drinks, some toilet hooch, as it were.
[0:06:49 – 0:06:50] Adam: What?
[0:06:50 – 0:06:53] Adam: Have you never fermented?
[0:06:53 – 0:07:00] Erik: I mean, the fact that it wasn’t filled to the brim and the fact that it did pop the way that it did makes me a little skeptical.
[0:07:00 – 0:07:01] Erik: I will drink it.
[0:07:01 – 0:07:03] Erik: Oh, just no cheers at all?
[0:07:04 – 0:07:05] Adam: I’m just going to make sure it’s okay.
[0:07:06 – 0:07:09] Erik: These guys just drink beer for the first 30 minutes of every podcast.
[0:07:09 – 0:07:09] Adam: They do.
[0:07:10 – 0:07:10] Adam: It’s true.
[0:07:10 – 0:07:12] Adam: No, this is the hard apple cider.
[0:07:12 – 0:07:13] Adam: I saved you some of that.
[0:07:13 – 0:07:13] Adam: Okay.
[0:07:13 – 0:07:14] Adam: Cheers.
[0:07:14 – 0:07:15] Erik: Well, I’m glad you went in first.
[0:07:15 – 0:07:17] Adam: Well, I had to figure out what it was.
[0:07:17 – 0:07:19] Erik: I mean, it’s like that skit.
[0:07:19 – 0:07:22] Adam: I lost my sense of smell and taste several months ago, and I don’t know.
[0:07:25 – 0:07:26] Adam: You have to bleep that whole segment out.
[0:07:27 – 0:07:30] Erik: It’s like that sketch from I Think You Should Leave, I think.
[0:07:30 – 0:07:37] Erik: The one that Tim Heidecker’s in where he expects to have something that is cold, but it turns out that it’s hot.
[0:07:37 – 0:07:39] Erik: And he pretends like he burns his lip.
[0:07:40 – 0:07:43] Erik: He’s like, if I expect something to be cold and it’s hot, it actually burns my mouth.
[0:07:44 – 0:07:46] Erik: So if I don’t know what I’m expecting.
[0:07:46 – 0:07:48] Adam: Yeah, it’s so cold it is hot.
[0:07:48 – 0:07:56] Adam: Yeah, like if I don’t know what I’m putting into my mouth, I mean… Well, yeah, I’ve been doing great on the labels, so I just wanted to make sure we knew this was the hard apple cider.
[0:07:57 – 0:07:57] Erik: Ooh.
[0:07:57 – 0:07:58] Adam: Bayfield Apples.
[0:07:58 – 0:07:59] Adam: Shout out.
[0:07:59 – 0:08:00] Adam: Friends of the show.
[0:08:00 – 0:08:08] Adam: Everybody in Door County loves Tumble Home, a proud independent podcast where we ferment our own hooch and not in the toilet, Eric.
[0:08:09 – 0:08:11] Adam: We’re not fermenting piss either.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:12] Adam: It’s good.
[0:08:12 – 0:08:13] Adam: Get your mind out of the gutter.
[0:08:14 – 0:08:15] Erik: Honestly, right away, like…
[0:08:16 – 0:08:19] Erik: On the nose of it is surprisingly bubble gummy.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:20] Adam: Wow.
[0:08:20 – 0:08:20] Adam: All right.
[0:08:21 – 0:08:22] Adam: I love it.
[0:08:22 – 0:08:23] Adam: Thank you for the feedback.
[0:08:23 – 0:08:25] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.
[0:08:25 – 0:08:27] Erik: Sure, I can get a little of the bubble gum.
[0:08:27 – 0:08:30] Erik: It doesn’t taste like bubble gum at all, but when you’re just smelling it.
[0:08:30 – 0:08:47] Adam: Yeah, I just took regular old apple cider, non-pasteurized, of course, and then I boiled a bunch of brown sugar into some maple syrup and some of the cider, and then I put it back in with the rest of it and let it sit on the counter for a couple weeks.
[0:08:48 – 0:08:48] Adam: Presto.
[0:08:49 – 0:08:51] Erik: Louis Pasteur can kick dirt.
[0:08:55 – 0:08:57] Adam: Well, that’s the end of the cider, though, for the year.
[0:08:57 – 0:08:58] Adam: I did have some tapach.
[0:08:58 – 0:08:59] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:08:59 – 0:09:01] Adam: We must have drank that all on Thanksgiving.
[0:09:02 – 0:09:06] Erik: Well, we had a little, I think, maybe on one of the Whitefish episodes.
[0:09:07 – 0:09:07] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:09:07 – 0:09:11] Erik: I remember you forced some of that into one of my beers.
[0:09:11 – 0:09:14] Adam: Who can keep track of all these different fermenting projects?
[0:09:14 – 0:09:14] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:09:14 – 0:09:16] Erik: That’s what the whiteboard’s for, I guess.
[0:09:16 – 0:09:17] Adam: You need a fermenting whiteboard, yeah.
[0:09:20 – 0:09:21] Adam: Yeah, that’s pretty good.
[0:09:21 – 0:09:21] Adam: I’m into it.
[0:09:22 – 0:09:26] Adam: But we do have a real drink sponsor, Fresh Art Supplies.
[0:09:26 – 0:09:32] Adam: We are cleaning out the mini fridge tonight and or taking it home to put it in the crawl space or something.
[0:09:32 – 0:09:39] Erik: No, I think we would probably both die from alcohol poisoning if we actually tried to clean out the fridge in full.
[0:09:39 – 0:09:42] Adam: Yeah, this is turning into the madness of winter part four real quick.
[0:09:42 – 0:09:49] Erik: Yeah, because there’s a lot of beer still, and it’s going to be well below zero coming up here in a couple of nights.
[0:09:49 – 0:09:50] Erik: That’s true.
[0:09:50 – 0:09:58] Erik: And I don’t know, even the hardiest, the thickest of ABV, double IPA,
[0:10:01 – 0:10:03] Erik: Beers, they can’t survive that.
[0:10:04 – 0:10:05] Erik: It’s not good for it.
[0:10:05 – 0:10:12] Adam: No, we’re going to probably keep recording out here, but we’ll just have to bring the beer with us as we, you know.
[0:10:13 – 0:10:18] Erik: We’ll just have to keep a couple of beers under each armpit throughout the show to make sure they don’t freeze.
[0:10:18 – 0:10:22] Adam: Yeah, I think by next year we’ve got to really think about getting a wood stove in here for sure.
[0:10:23 – 0:10:24] Adam: Maybe a pellet stove.
[0:10:26 – 0:10:27] Erik: No.
[0:10:27 – 0:10:28] Erik: I’ve got the little sweetie.
[0:10:28 – 0:10:31] Erik: You can always bring that over and install that.
[0:10:31 – 0:10:34] Erik: Just plunge a hole into your roof and or wall.
[0:10:34 – 0:10:35] Adam: Put it right out the side wall here.
[0:10:36 – 0:10:58] Adam: keep the canoe on gordy’s cold eric i’m so cold you know what i brought out here today i was hey keep it down out there it’s a blizzard warning uh yeah i found gordy’s sombrero in the house when i was doing some cleaning the other day yeah i don’t know how it got in the house honestly or why but uh so i brought it back out today gordy’s sombrero it’s back
[0:11:00 – 0:11:10] Erik: Well, you know it’s cold when the computer is plugged in and actively charging, yet the percentage of the battery is continually just going down still.
[0:11:10 – 0:11:11] Adam: Is that happening right now?
[0:11:12 – 0:11:12] Erik: Yeah.
[0:11:12 – 0:11:12] Erik: Wow.
[0:11:13 – 0:11:15] Erik: Yeah, I started at 60% and I’m at 57% right now.
[0:11:16 – 0:11:18] Erik: So, well, we’ll see.
[0:11:18 – 0:11:21] Erik: This podcast could end abruptly.
[0:11:22 – 0:11:23] Erik: Stay tuned.
[0:11:23 – 0:11:26] Adam: We’re also going to be talking about anybody get their Spotify wrapped this year.
[0:11:27 – 0:11:27] Erik: Oh, no, I don’t know.
[0:11:27 – 0:11:28] Erik: What is that?
[0:11:28 – 0:11:36] Erik: I haven’t seen that just constantly rained down upon me like a monsoon of other people’s consumables.
[0:11:37 – 0:11:38] Adam: Yeah.
[0:11:38 – 0:11:39] Adam: Tell me more.
[0:11:39 – 0:11:40] Erik: It is fun.
[0:11:40 – 0:11:41] Erik: No, I’m not going to trash on it.
[0:11:41 – 0:11:45] Adam: I want to know how many minutes of Tumble Home you’ve listened to.
[0:11:45 – 0:11:46] Erik: I didn’t get that information.
[0:11:47 – 0:11:51] Erik: Unfortunately, Tumble Home was not in my top five podcasts for this year.
[0:11:51 – 0:11:54] Adam: Well, that’s the only answer we need to hear then.
[0:11:54 – 0:11:55] Adam: I guess that it wasn’t, huh?
[0:11:56 – 0:11:57] Erik: That says everything about you, doesn’t it?
[0:11:58 – 0:12:02] Adam: Well, you listen to them while you’re doing the post-production, though.
[0:12:02 – 0:12:04] Erik: Yeah, I don’t need to listen to them three times.
[0:12:04 – 0:12:05] Adam: You don’t need to listen to them again?
[0:12:06 – 0:12:09] Adam: Live, post, and post-post?
[0:12:10 – 0:12:10] Adam: Post, post, post.
[0:12:10 – 0:12:12] Adam: Live on Spotify, right?
[0:12:14 – 0:12:15] Adam: Yeah, I guess that does make sense.
[0:12:16 – 0:12:24] Erik: Yeah, we’re going to talk about quotas, degradation, and I don’t know if there’s much more to say on the active blizzard, but that’s fun.
[0:12:25 – 0:12:26] Erik: Rattling garage doors.
[0:12:27 – 0:12:28] Adam: Yeah, I don’t think I can hear that.
[0:12:30 – 0:12:31] Erik: I wish we could.
[0:12:31 – 0:12:32] Erik: I hope you guys can hear it.
[0:12:32 – 0:12:34] Erik: Hear how brutal and nasty it is out there.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:34] Erik: It’s nasty.
[0:12:34 – 0:12:42] Adam: I was thinking maybe you could hear the snow falling on the roof, but there’s probably enough snow up there now that the whole shed’s been quieted.
[0:12:42 – 0:12:43] Erik: Nicely insulated.
[0:12:43 – 0:12:46] Erik: Maybe we’ll get some more retained heat to pack some around the sides.
[0:12:47 – 0:12:49] Adam: Yeah, what about next year we just get some insulation in here?
[0:12:50 – 0:12:50] Erik: Yeah, what a concept.
[0:12:51 – 0:12:53] Adam: Got a couple rolls laying around.
[0:12:53 – 0:12:56] Adam: I’ll have to get them on up here.
[0:12:56 – 0:13:00] Erik: Well, we’ve got a couple of sponsorships from Noah and Lindsey.
[0:13:00 – 0:13:02] Erik: They’re from Chicago.
[0:13:02 – 0:13:04] Adam: Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew, pew.
[0:13:06 – 0:13:08] Adam: It’s been a while since we had a party horn.
[0:13:08 – 0:13:09] Adam: Welcome to the show.
[0:13:09 – 0:13:11] Erik: Big, windy…
[0:13:14 – 0:13:14] Erik: Town.
[0:13:14 – 0:13:15] Erik: I think that’s what they call it.
[0:13:17 – 0:13:17] Erik: Big windy town?
[0:13:20 – 0:13:22] Adam: They call it the Duluth of the South.
[0:13:22 – 0:13:22] Adam: Yeah.
[0:13:22 – 0:13:23] Adam: I think that’s what they call it.
[0:13:24 – 0:13:25] Adam: It’s only a single port.
[0:13:26 – 0:13:28] Erik: Little Duluth, I think, is what the- Little Duluth.
[0:13:28 – 0:13:30] Adam: I think that’s what they call the big windy town.
[0:13:30 – 0:13:32] Adam: The natives call it, yeah.
[0:13:35 – 0:13:37] Erik: Well, thank you, Noah and Lindsey.
[0:13:38 – 0:13:43] Erik: He supplied us with a whole whack of beers, and I thought it was appropriate- These are all from Noah and Lindsey?
[0:13:44 – 0:13:44] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[0:13:44 – 0:13:48] Erik: And there’s also some more if we really get to them, but those I spied.
[0:13:49 – 0:13:50] Erik: They’re 8%ers.
[0:13:50 – 0:13:51] Adam: I don’t know if we need to get into those.
[0:13:52 – 0:14:16] Erik: But these ones I thought were fun because they are the exact opposite of my current… the current feeling in the air, the current feeling in my hands, and really in the whole body, which does not strike me as a round of mar… sorry, a round of mango margs and greetings from Unicorn Island.
[0:14:17 – 0:14:21] Erik: These are a couple of fruity, very tropical, warm…
[0:14:22 – 0:14:23] Erik: Looking beers.
[0:14:25 – 0:14:29] Erik: And not going to lie, this might be my last winter in Cook County.
[0:14:30 – 0:14:31] Erik: I just can’t do it anymore.
[0:14:31 – 0:14:32] Erik: I’m sorry.
[0:14:32 – 0:14:32] Adam: What?
[0:14:33 – 0:14:33] Adam: Oh, my God.
[0:14:34 – 0:14:35] Adam: I’m too cold.
[0:14:35 – 0:14:36] Erik: You’re not even 40.
[0:14:36 – 0:14:37] Erik: Grow up.
[0:14:37 – 0:14:41] Erik: Hey, it’s not too early to start planning to head south.
[0:14:41 – 0:14:43] Adam: Yeah, you’re going to move to Mar-a-Lago.
[0:14:43 – 0:14:49] Erik: I’m going to start spending my winters in Tucson.
[0:14:50 – 0:14:51] Adam: You’re joking.
[0:14:52 – 0:14:52] Adam: You would never.
[0:14:53 – 0:14:53] Erik: We’ll see.
[0:14:53 – 0:14:55] Adam: How many pairs of skis do you have?
[0:14:55 – 0:14:56] Erik: Check in in a year.
[0:14:56 – 0:14:56] Adam: You’re full of baloney.
[0:14:57 – 0:14:58] Erik: Check in in a year.
[0:14:58 – 0:15:00] Erik: I did just buy a new pair of… No, no, no.
[0:15:01 – 0:15:04] Erik: We got to start with the round of mango margs.
[0:15:04 – 0:15:05] Erik: You got one right here.
[0:15:05 – 0:15:06] Adam: Oh, all right.
[0:15:07 – 0:15:08] Adam: I couldn’t tell what was going on.
[0:15:08 – 0:15:10] Erik: Well, you guys check in next year.
[0:15:11 – 0:15:13] Erik: See if I am, in fact, truly.
[0:15:14 – 0:15:17] Erik: We’re just going to be recording this podcast over Zoom.
[0:15:17 – 0:15:19] Erik: Yeah, I’ll still be in the shed.
[0:15:19 – 0:15:20] Erik: I’ll be down in the desert.
[0:15:26 – 0:15:27] Adam: How’s that going to work for the art supplies?
[0:15:27 – 0:15:28] Adam: That doesn’t work.
[0:15:31 – 0:15:34] Erik: Hmm.
[0:15:34 – 0:15:34] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:15:37 – 0:15:38] Erik: Mango?
[0:15:38 – 0:15:40] Erik: Not great.
[0:15:42 – 0:15:44] Erik: Not as I was expecting.
[0:15:44 – 0:15:45] Adam: It’s a Margaritaville.
[0:15:45 – 0:15:46] Adam: Considering…
[0:15:46 – 0:15:49] Adam: It’s a Margarita beer, not a Margaritaville beer.
[0:15:49 – 0:15:50] Erik: Margaritaville.
[0:15:50 – 0:15:51] Erik: Margaritaville beer.
[0:15:51 – 0:15:53] Erik: This is from Pipeworks.
[0:15:57 – 0:16:01] Erik: I’m still searching, searching, searching…
[0:16:04 – 0:16:06] Erik: I have no idea where Pipeworks is from.
[0:16:06 – 0:16:07] Erik: Oh, of course.
[0:16:07 – 0:16:08] Erik: They’re from Chicago?
[0:16:08 – 0:16:10] Erik: Pipeworks is out of Chicago.
[0:16:10 – 0:16:11] Adam: This would have went pretty good with the tapach.
[0:16:11 – 0:16:14] Adam: I should have brought the tapach instead of the cider.
[0:16:14 – 0:16:18] Erik: The tapach probably would have elevated this to a level of a little bit more.
[0:16:18 – 0:16:19] Erik: It’s pretty dang sour.
[0:16:19 – 0:16:20] Erik: It’s very sour.
[0:16:20 – 0:16:24] Erik: I was expecting a little bit more fullness.
[0:16:24 – 0:16:24] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:16:24 – 0:16:29] Erik: I guess it is only 5.5%, so it’s not like… Yeah, it’s a light sour.
[0:16:29 – 0:16:30] Erik: It’s a light sour.
[0:16:30 – 0:16:32] Adam: Honestly, it’s just what I needed.
[0:16:32 – 0:16:40] Adam: I’m going to give it six out of five tumbling tumbleweeds.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:41] Adam: No, no.
[0:16:41 – 0:16:44] Adam: I’m going to give it six out of five little Duluths.
[0:16:45 – 0:16:46] Erik: Little Duluths.
[0:16:46 – 0:16:52] Erik: I’m going to give it two out of five salty rims of I actually wish I was drinking an actual margarita right now.
[0:16:54 – 0:16:54] Adam: He doesn’t like it.
[0:16:55 – 0:16:57] Adam: Eric doesn’t like that, and he doesn’t like winter.
[0:16:57 – 0:16:57] Erik: There you go.
[0:16:58 – 0:17:00] Erik: He’s coming in all salty ever since watching The Revenant.
[0:17:00 – 0:17:02] Erik: He’s just been a salty boy.
[0:17:04 – 0:17:13] Adam: Well, maybe the greetings from Unicorn Island will… Oh, we can only hope that Unicorn Island will redeem the entire project.
[0:17:13 – 0:17:15] Erik: It’s got guava and pineapple.
[0:17:15 – 0:17:16] Erik: I’m looking forward to that one now.
[0:17:16 – 0:17:18] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:17:18 – 0:17:18] Adam: Can.
[0:17:18 – 0:17:19] Adam: It’s pretty nice.
[0:17:19 – 0:17:21] Adam: It’s got the 70s font.
[0:17:21 – 0:17:25] Adam: No, it’s like Grateful Dead, I think, is the font.
[0:17:25 – 0:17:27] Erik: Grateful Dead font is definitely a font.
[0:17:27 – 0:17:29] Adam: It’s officially Grateful Dead font.
[0:17:29 – 0:17:29] Adam: What would that be?
[0:17:29 – 0:17:32] Adam: It’s got kind of Packers colors here with some mango on there.
[0:17:32 – 0:17:34] Adam: I’m going to stick with my 6 out of 5.
[0:17:34 – 0:17:38] Adam: I don’t know what Eric’s problem is tonight, but it’s pretty good.
[0:17:38 – 0:17:39] Erik: It’s 2 in the afternoon.
[0:17:39 – 0:17:47] Adam: It’s 2 in the afternoon, and it’s a nice fruity sour, and there’s a blizzard on outside, so I’m all in on it.
[0:17:47 – 0:17:48] Erik: The blizzard is on.
[0:17:48 – 0:17:54] Adam: It’s not what I thought I was going to go with after a celebration ale playing disc golf in a blizzard, but it’s pretty good.
[0:17:56 – 0:17:56] Erik: It’s fine.
[0:17:57 – 0:17:57] Adam: It’s fine.
[0:17:57 – 0:17:58] Adam: All right.
[0:17:58 – 0:17:59] Adam: We’re going to have to agree to disagree.
[0:18:04 – 0:18:09] Adam: So do you know how many permits there are in the entire Boundary Waters on a day?
[0:18:10 – 0:18:10] Adam: Okay.
[0:18:12 – 0:18:13] Erik: Off the top of my head, no.
[0:18:13 – 0:18:16] Adam: How many total permits in a day for the entire Boundary Waters?
[0:18:17 – 0:18:17] Erik: I couldn’t give you…
[0:18:18 – 0:18:20] Adam: Even the Trout Lake sector?
[0:18:21 – 0:18:25] Erik: If I were to guess, I would say… Do PMA applications count towards this?
[0:18:26 – 0:18:29] Erik: Yes, because you need to get an actual overnight permit to go into a PMA.
[0:18:29 – 0:18:30] Adam: Yeah, I guess they don’t count double.
[0:18:30 – 0:18:32] Erik: No.
[0:18:32 – 0:18:34] Erik: No, I don’t know if I could give you like a 256…
[0:18:35 – 0:18:35] Adam: Thank you.
[0:18:35 – 0:18:36] Adam: Thank you.
[0:18:36 – 0:18:37] Adam: Want me to hold you to it?
[0:18:38 – 0:18:51] Erik: No, I think roughly based on the number of actual entry points, which is somewhere between, I don’t know, 60 and 70, because for whatever reason, they don’t just count from one to the end.
[0:18:51 – 0:18:54] Erik: There’s a bunch of random missing numbers.
[0:18:54 – 0:18:56] Adam: Yeah, they’re unlucky numbers.
[0:18:57 – 0:18:57] Adam: They got retired.
[0:18:57 – 0:18:59] Adam: They’re hanging in the rafters.
[0:19:01 – 0:19:16] Erik: So, I mean, there’s a part of me that feels like a conversation anytime it revolves around a decision that the U.S. Forest Service makes is that the conversation is going to devolve in us just essentially trashing the whole system.
[0:19:18 – 0:19:22] Erik: Which is, I don’t know, not necessarily a bad thing because why?
[0:19:23 – 0:19:30] Erik: Why does the Forest Service decide to make things as complicated and confusing as possible?
[0:19:31 – 0:19:36] Erik: Like, that should be an easy, not easy, but an easier question that you just asked.
[0:19:36 – 0:19:38] Erik: Like, how many actual permits are there per day?
[0:19:38 – 0:19:40] Erik: Yeah, it should be easier to know that.
[0:19:40 – 0:19:46] Erik: Because, I mean, really, you should just be able to be like, well, all right, so there’s a certain number of entry points.
[0:19:47 – 0:20:02] Erik: Some of them, you know, it all kind of like whatever the median number of entry permits per entry point and those quotas would kind of align to maybe like eight or nine per day, I guess.
[0:20:03 – 0:20:07] Erik: Maybe a little bit less times however many entry points there are.
[0:20:07 – 0:20:16] Erik: But I don’t even necessarily know exactly how many entry points there are because like I said, they couldn’t just take it upon themselves to be like, well, let’s start at one.
[0:20:16 – 0:20:18] Adam: It’s like addresses on a new road.
[0:20:19 – 0:20:22] Adam: They got to leave some open spots just in case there’s subdivisions later.
[0:20:24 – 0:20:24] Adam: Think about it like that.
[0:20:24 – 0:20:33] Erik: Well, why don’t you just start at one, add up to the amount that you have, and then if more become available, add another number.
[0:20:34 – 0:20:52] Erik: Instead of having weird gaps or numbers within the overnight paddling permit scale be devoted to overnight hiking or to permits that just don’t really even make any sense, like from Canada.
[0:20:54 – 0:20:59] Adam: Do you ever think it’ll get to a point where it’s a lottery, like getting to shoot a doe?
[0:21:00 – 0:21:01] Erik: Well, it was for a while.
[0:21:01 – 0:21:03] Adam: Going through the Grand Canyon on a raft.
[0:21:04 – 0:21:05] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:21:05 – 0:21:07] Erik: I mean, for a while, it was a lottery.
[0:21:08 – 0:21:10] Erik: They used to have a lottery.
[0:21:10 – 0:21:13] Adam: You’d just be randomly assigned a permit?
[0:21:14 – 0:21:15] Erik: No, no, not like that.
[0:21:15 – 0:21:16] Erik: That would be intense.
[0:21:16 – 0:21:18] Adam: That would be crazy.
[0:21:19 – 0:21:20] Adam: Bog Lake.
[0:21:20 – 0:21:21] Erik: No!
[0:21:21 – 0:21:23] Adam: Yes!
[0:21:23 – 0:21:25] Adam: Bog, bog, bog, bog.
[0:21:26 – 0:21:27] Erik: I’m sure Bobby would be happy.
[0:21:28 – 0:21:30] Erik: He’d spend his entire trip just hacking away at one tree.
[0:21:31 – 0:21:32] Erik: No, I don’t know.
[0:21:33 – 0:21:33] Erik: The whole…
[0:21:35 – 0:22:00] Erik: The whole Boundary Waters permitting system and the quota system, I think, is inherently broken at this point based on multiple decades of people who don’t actually get out and visit the park and experience the way that it affects the experience and the decisions to make.
[0:22:02 – 0:22:06] Erik: changes to the system that apparently they’re going to do going forward.
[0:22:07 – 0:22:10] Erik: They’re not based on anybody’s…
[0:22:12 – 0:22:17] Erik: They’re all based on a diaspora of anecdotes from…
[0:22:18 – 0:22:45] Erik: whatever like the last two years it seems like they’re only making this decision just because the last two years have been kind of in the news a little intense there’s been some leave no trace problems and i don’t think that necessary there’s always been leave no trace problem problems though they’re always yeah no there always has been and i mean i’m not necessarily against lowering quotas yeah i’m not either i don’t want to give that impression
[0:22:46 – 0:23:04] Erik: No, but I also think that they’re jumping past, well past what the, I think if anybody that is listening to this show that is a traveler of the Boundary Waters, which if you’re not, which I think that there oddly are a few people that do listen to this show that haven’t even really been at the Boundary Waters.
[0:23:05 – 0:23:06] Erik: That’s fine.
[0:23:06 – 0:23:07] Erik: That’s cool.
[0:23:07 – 0:23:07] Erik: Yet.
[0:23:08 – 0:23:16] Erik: But the vast majority of people that listen are aware of kind of how the Boundary Waters works and what the experience is like.
[0:23:18 – 0:23:34] Erik: It’s not the, at least in my estimation, and I’m only half a year removed from getting to talk to dozens of groups of travelers into the Boundary Waters on any given day as an outfitter.
[0:23:36 – 0:23:43] Erik: The vast majority of people just wish there was more enforcement and more accountability to people that were out there.
[0:23:44 – 0:23:49] Erik: And it’s not the over degradation of resources or whatever.
[0:23:49 – 0:23:51] Erik: Listen to the radio.
[0:23:53 – 0:23:54] Adam: Degradation.
[0:23:54 – 0:24:01] Erik: The WTIP thing that’s been passed around everywhere where you get about, I don’t know, a 10th
[0:24:03 – 0:24:06] Erik: of the information that you probably wish you would have gotten from the Forest Service.
[0:24:08 – 0:24:13] Erik: I feel like if you work for the Forest Service, you partially get trained in how to dodge questions.
[0:24:14 – 0:24:17] Adam: Don’t give any details whatsoever.
[0:24:17 – 0:24:20] Adam: Be as vague as possible.
[0:24:20 – 0:24:21] Erik: It’s PR 101.
[0:24:21 – 0:24:24] Adam: Don’t give details unless you absolutely must.
[0:24:24 – 0:24:25] Erik: So then why come out with anything?
[0:24:26 – 0:24:27] Adam: Right.
[0:24:27 – 0:24:29] Adam: Because when’s the lottery start or whatever?
[0:24:29 – 0:24:30] Adam: I’m sorry.
[0:24:30 – 0:24:32] Adam: When’s permit day?
[0:24:32 – 0:24:36] Erik: Permit day is the last Wednesday in January.
[0:24:36 – 0:24:39] Adam: I kind of wish it was a lottery at this point.
[0:24:39 – 0:24:40] Adam: I like my theory.
[0:24:41 – 0:24:42] Adam: It’s a random lottery.
[0:24:42 – 0:24:47] Adam: You put your name in the hopper, and you’re assigned a date and an entry point.
[0:24:48 – 0:24:48] Adam: There you go.
[0:24:48 – 0:24:50] Erik: I’ve never actually had to use permit day.
[0:24:51 – 0:24:53] Adam: I just don’t even think about it.
[0:24:53 – 0:24:54] Adam: Whenever I can go, I’ll figure it out.
[0:24:54 – 0:24:56] Adam: There’s always something available.
[0:24:56 – 0:25:22] Adam: yeah no i get that but like i mean you know there’s always permits available so i feel like you might have to go to a entry point you’ve never had to go do before right sure but that’s like i guess that’s that’s not the way it’s being drew west bean that’s a tough draw west bean what this isn’t necessarily the uh i don’t know uncle i don’t know how we’re gonna i don’t know we’re gonna manage
[0:25:22 – 0:25:29] Erik: It’s not the way I don’t think that a wilderness area should optimally work.
[0:25:29 – 0:25:31] Adam: It’s a wilderness area, though.
[0:25:32 – 0:25:34] Adam: It’s tough to fit it inside of a system.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:35] Erik: That’s true.
[0:25:35 – 0:25:35] Adam: It’s too wild.
[0:25:36 – 0:25:42] Erik: No, I don’t think there’s ever going to be a black and white square or cube or what’s a 3D rhombus?
[0:25:42 – 0:25:43] Erik: Is that a thing?
[0:25:44 – 0:25:45] Erik: What?
[0:25:47 – 0:25:51] Erik: None of those, like, yeah, the Bunch of Waters is a 3D rhombus.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:52] Erik: And I get it.
[0:25:52 – 0:25:53] Erik: It’s tough.
[0:25:53 – 0:26:08] Erik: But I think it’s the inherent nature of bureaucracy and the way that an organization that doesn’t truly understand what they’re managing tries to address issues that are just at the forefront.
[0:26:08 – 0:26:08] Erik: Yeah.
[0:26:09 – 0:26:11] Erik: At the top of everybody’s like, oh, the news is covering it.
[0:26:12 – 0:26:13] Erik: We’re hearing a lot about this.
[0:26:14 – 0:26:15] Erik: What can we do to address the situation?
[0:26:16 – 0:26:25] Erik: Well, what’s the easiest way that doesn’t cost us any money, but will only cost people that are making money off of it their livelihood?
[0:26:27 – 0:26:32] Erik: I feel for outfitters, depending on how all this shakes out, who knows?
[0:26:32 – 0:26:36] Erik: Because again, we have no idea what the entry points are going to be.
[0:26:36 – 0:26:39] Erik: We’ll do our best to maybe surmise what some of them will be.
[0:26:39 – 0:26:40] Adam: It doesn’t really matter.
[0:26:40 – 0:26:43] Adam: They don’t have to announce those details, I guess, until the permits go on sale.
[0:26:43 – 0:26:44] Adam: But that’s kind of a…
[0:26:45 – 0:26:46] Adam: I mean, God, I really…
[0:26:46 – 0:26:47] Adam: It’s a plan ahead.
[0:26:48 – 0:26:49] Adam: In this day and age.
[0:26:49 – 0:26:50] Adam: Just wing it.
[0:26:50 – 0:26:55] Erik: It’s a little under two months away when the permit system opens.
[0:26:55 – 0:26:58] Erik: Think about the children.
[0:26:58 – 0:26:59] Erik: They love their permits.
[0:26:59 – 0:27:01] Erik: Think about the Boy Scouts.
[0:27:01 – 0:27:02] Erik: Think about the Scout meetings.
[0:27:03 – 0:27:04] Erik: Think about the Den Masters.
[0:27:05 – 0:27:07] Adam: Oh, the Dan Stevens.
[0:27:07 – 0:27:08] Erik: Nobody’s thinking about the Den Master.
[0:27:09 – 0:27:11] Adam: The Den Masters and the Dan Stevens.
[0:27:11 – 0:27:12] Erik: They need to know.
[0:27:12 – 0:27:13] Erik: They need to know.
[0:27:13 – 0:27:17] Erik: How are we outlining our summer programming for 2022?
[0:27:17 – 0:27:19] Erik: Oh, it sounds like quotas are going to be going down.
[0:27:20 – 0:27:20] Adam: Where?
[0:27:20 – 0:27:20] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:27:21 – 0:27:22] Adam: It’s going to be like by five.
[0:27:22 – 0:27:25] Adam: They’re just saying this just to make it look good.
[0:27:25 – 0:27:27] Adam: They’re not going to give up permits.
[0:27:27 – 0:27:27] Adam: That’s how they get all their money.
[0:27:28 – 0:27:29] Adam: But that’s the other thing.
[0:27:29 – 0:27:33] Adam: You got to feed the monkey.
[0:27:34 – 0:27:35] Adam: Feed the monkey?
[0:27:35 – 0:27:36] Adam: I don’t know what that means.
[0:27:36 – 0:27:37] Adam: I think I nailed it.
[0:27:38 – 0:27:38] Adam: I think that was…
[0:27:40 – 0:27:41] Adam: I think they nailed it.
[0:27:41 – 0:27:41] Adam: That was a dude.
[0:27:42 – 0:27:43] Adam: I mean, if they were, so.
[0:27:45 – 0:27:46] Adam: So whatever.
[0:27:46 – 0:27:47] Adam: They’re going to just knock a few off.
[0:27:48 – 0:27:54] Adam: You know, you can’t go, oh, take two away from Siegel and two away from Brule and two away from Basswood.
[0:27:55 – 0:27:56] Adam: The end.
[0:27:56 – 0:28:02] Adam: Now we look good and nothing’s going to change other than, well, if Quetico opens up, maybe that’ll change it all.
[0:28:04 – 0:28:08] Adam: Or people get bored of coming up and wrecking the wilderness and go back to doing whatever they were doing before.
[0:28:09 – 0:28:10] Adam: They can go back to wrecking state parks.
[0:28:10 – 0:28:11] Adam: Come on.
[0:28:11 – 0:28:12] Adam: Get out of here.
[0:28:13 – 0:28:13] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:28:13 – 0:28:16] Erik: This is a tough one because I would love to…
[0:28:17 – 0:28:19] Adam: I think I’m on your team now that it’s mostly just a PR move.
[0:28:19 – 0:28:22] Adam: I would love… Because they didn’t release any details.
[0:28:22 – 0:28:25] Adam: It’s probably going to be negligible at all, like a couple here and there.
[0:28:25 – 0:28:27] Adam: We’ll shave a few off.
[0:28:27 – 0:28:32] Erik: If you listen to anybody who is a hardcore Boundary Waters fan,
[0:28:34 – 0:28:52] Erik: enthusiast and or planner in in terms of my experience on the water as an outfitter day to day when it was a thing that I used to do the actual enforcement of
[0:28:52 – 0:28:58] Erik: And presence of law enforcement in the park is, I think, actually…
[0:28:58 – 0:28:58] Erik: Laughable?
[0:28:59 – 0:29:00] Erik: Well, yes, laughable.
[0:29:00 – 0:29:06] Erik: But actually, the one complaint I hear from paddlers the most, that they wish there were more people out there.
[0:29:07 – 0:29:12] Erik: Actually, hey, you’re camped on a random point.
[0:29:12 – 0:29:12] Erik: Yeah.
[0:29:13 – 0:29:14] Erik: This isn’t a campsite.
[0:29:15 – 0:29:19] Adam: Yeah, I mean, on one hand, I definitely don’t want to run into any park rangers on a trip.
[0:29:20 – 0:29:23] Adam: It just kind of ruins the whole experience.
[0:29:23 – 0:29:23] Adam: I mean, it’s not great.
[0:29:24 – 0:29:27] Adam: Having to show your papers is never fun, so whatever.
[0:29:27 – 0:29:31] Adam: I don’t want to ever run into law enforcement when I’m in the wilderness.
[0:29:31 – 0:29:35] Adam: But on the other hand, yes, I wish there was more enforcement to catch these yahoos.
[0:29:36 – 0:29:36] Erik: Right.
[0:29:36 – 0:29:40] Erik: I don’t want to feel like I’m living in a police state while I’m out in the wilderness.
[0:29:40 – 0:29:41] Erik: That’s sort of the point.
[0:29:41 – 0:29:43] Erik: But it’s so far…
[0:29:44 – 0:29:45] Adam: I’ve run into…
[0:29:45 – 0:29:50] Adam: I’ve had my permit checked, and I’ve never had a bad experience having my permit checked in the Boundary Waters, by the way.
[0:29:50 – 0:29:51] Erik: It takes you out of it.
[0:29:51 – 0:29:52] Adam: It’s been years, though.
[0:29:52 – 0:29:53] Adam: It’s been years since it’s happened.
[0:29:53 – 0:29:56] Adam: And yeah, it does take you out of the moment.
[0:29:56 – 0:29:57] Adam: Right.
[0:29:58 – 0:30:01] Adam: They’re like, oh, I actually have to dig this thing out now?
[0:30:01 – 0:30:01] Adam: What?
[0:30:02 – 0:30:05] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:30:05 – 0:30:11] Adam: It will kind of take you out of the moment of being in the wilderness to have that experience.
[0:30:11 – 0:30:14] Adam: But on the other hand, there has been a lack of that.
[0:30:14 – 0:30:17] Adam: I can’t remember the last time I had my papers checked.
[0:30:17 – 0:30:18] Erik: Right, no.
[0:30:19 – 0:30:19] Erik: Yeah, exactly.
[0:30:19 – 0:30:27] Erik: The jarring and pulling you out of the moment experience of having your…
[0:30:29 – 0:30:35] Erik: Camp checked for all of the rules that go into camping in the Boundary Waters.
[0:30:36 – 0:30:44] Erik: That takes a moment of your morning or your afternoon or whatever away from you, I think.
[0:30:44 – 0:30:44] Adam: It does.
[0:30:44 – 0:30:46] Adam: You got to put on pants.
[0:30:46 – 0:30:47] Adam: It’s awkward.
[0:30:47 – 0:30:47] Adam: Yeah.
[0:30:47 – 0:30:49] Erik: Yeah.
[0:30:49 – 0:30:50] Erik: Yeah, whatever.
[0:30:50 – 0:30:50] Erik: It does.
[0:30:50 – 0:30:52] Erik: It definitely affects it when you’re there.
[0:30:52 – 0:30:59] Erik: But also, so does seeing 18 canoes flatooning across a pond of a lake.
[0:30:59 – 0:31:03] Erik: And so does a tree cut down three feet up off the ground.
[0:31:03 – 0:31:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:31:04 – 0:31:12] Erik: And there is a huge misappropriation of what the actual problem is.
[0:31:13 – 0:31:14] Erik: And it’s not the…
[0:31:15 – 0:31:23] Erik: I think, in my opinion, it’s not the… Oh, the last two years have been so busy, so let’s just cut down on quotas.
[0:31:23 – 0:31:26] Erik: Like, you’re addressing a very immediate problem.
[0:31:26 – 0:31:27] Erik: The problem of…
[0:31:29 – 0:31:41] Erik: breaking of basic boundary waters, leave no trace, certain numbers of people that can be together in the park, and just how the wilderness gets treated.
[0:31:41 – 0:31:44] Erik: That’s been a problem for two decades.
[0:31:45 – 0:31:52] Erik: They’re choosing not to address that, but they’re choosing to address the issue that is just the most top of mind.
[0:31:53 – 0:31:54] Adam: Well, they’re doing the cheapest thing.
[0:31:54 – 0:31:56] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:56 – 0:31:58] Adam: As is tradition in this country.
[0:31:58 – 0:31:58] Adam: Yeah.
[0:31:59 – 0:32:03] Adam: Cheaper the better when it comes to protecting wilderness.
[0:32:03 – 0:32:06] Adam: That’s not worth spending money on.
[0:32:06 – 0:32:12] Erik: It’s not going to keep any of those previously mentioned Bobby and Rex tactics from happening.
[0:32:12 – 0:32:13] Erik: It’s not going to keep…
[0:32:14 – 0:32:17] Erik: So you’re going to cut a permit off of Clearwater a day.
[0:32:18 – 0:32:20] Erik: You’re going to cut two permits from Brule a day.
[0:32:20 – 0:32:24] Erik: You’re going to maybe cut three or four off of Sag a day.
[0:32:24 – 0:32:25] Erik: Like, okay…
[0:32:27 – 0:32:46] Erik: i mean i’m not a huge fan of the like light fake jerk off maneuver that you know you see some people doing sometimes but i feel like that’s what it is it’s akin to like get out of here whatever you’re doing nothing oh this one yeah yeah the light the light handshake like whatever
[0:32:48 – 0:32:57] Adam: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it would take a lot of money and resources and training and competence to actually put more people in the field to, like, enforce the laws.
[0:32:57 – 0:33:03] Adam: So, yeah, the easy and cheap way to look good is to, yeah, we’re going to just reduce the amount of people out there.
[0:33:04 – 0:33:07] Adam: And people, as we’ve seen, Eric, will always do the right thing.
[0:33:07 – 0:33:09] Adam: It’s just too many of them out there.
[0:33:09 – 0:33:09] Adam: That was the problem.
[0:33:09 – 0:33:10] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:10 – 0:33:16] Adam: You just reduce the amount of people by a couple, and I’m sure people will go back to being normal and respectful of the wilderness.
[0:33:16 – 0:33:16] Adam: Yeah.
[0:33:16 – 0:33:18] Erik: Because there’s fewer of them, I guess.
[0:33:18 – 0:33:20] Adam: Yeah, because there’s 10 less of them a week.
[0:33:20 – 0:33:22] Adam: Now it’s going to make everybody behave nice.
[0:33:23 – 0:33:25] Adam: Because people definitely don’t ever abuse campsites.
[0:33:26 – 0:33:33] Erik: Generally, by looking at what they’re potentially going to cut, it’s like,
[0:33:34 – 0:33:36] Erik: really doesn’t look like all that much.
[0:33:37 – 0:33:41] Erik: It was like maybe like 10 entry points on the Ely side.
[0:33:41 – 0:33:45] Erik: And maybe like six or seven on the east side.
[0:33:45 – 0:33:53] Adam: At least the Border Patrol office in Grand Marais, which has literally done nothing for 15 years.
[0:33:53 – 0:33:55] Adam: At least they got a new boat though this year.
[0:33:55 – 0:34:00] Adam: And at least the Ely Police Department has that nice hovercraft tank.
[0:34:02 – 0:34:24] Adam: the hovercraft tank yeah that was pretty nice standard issue at this point no i mean we’re not going to get into the you know the way resources are allocated amongst the federal government but yeah there’s not enough enforcement and there’s not enough money being put into protecting the wilderness at this point this is uh this is known
[0:34:25 – 0:34:29] Erik: Yeah, no, it’s known, and I guess we don’t necessarily need to just talk in circles about the same thing.
[0:34:29 – 0:34:33] Adam: Yeah, and this show’s starting to be kind of a downer, isn’t it?
[0:34:33 – 0:34:36] Adam: I’m not in a very good mood at this point.
[0:34:37 – 0:34:43] Erik: Coming off of a couple of Whitefish Scummers episodes, this is – yeah, we’re really talking about some stuff here.
[0:34:45 – 0:34:55] Erik: I mean, yeah, if you’ve all listened to the – whoever they decided to hire because she had the best PR voice and could repeat the same talking points, it’s all about resource degradation.
[0:34:55 – 0:34:57] Erik: And –
[0:34:58 – 0:35:06] Erik: to allow individuals who do secure a permit to be given that opportunity for a wilderness experience.
[0:35:08 – 0:35:08] Erik: Okay.
[0:35:09 – 0:35:09] Erik: Big eye roll.
[0:35:10 – 0:35:10] Erik: Sure.
[0:35:11 – 0:35:11] Erik: Fine.
[0:35:12 – 0:35:26] Erik: But that’s, it’s not, I mean, it went from being perfectly fine in what they were doing quota numbers wise, just two years ago.
[0:35:27 – 0:35:40] Erik: And so they’re just addressing something that’s been an issue for two years and not addressing something that’s been an issue for 20, which I guess I haven’t seen any indications that – Well, they don’t have the money to do it.
[0:35:40 – 0:35:42] Adam: So something’s got to be done.
[0:35:43 – 0:35:43] Adam: Don’t have the money.
[0:35:44 – 0:35:45] Adam: What are you going to do?
[0:35:45 – 0:35:46] Adam: Do the cheap thing at least.
[0:35:46 – 0:35:47] Adam: Try something.
[0:35:47 – 0:35:48] Erik: But there’s also – I don’t understand.
[0:35:49 – 0:35:55] Erik: It’s not a cheap thing, but I don’t understand why they don’t consider or increase permit fees either.
[0:35:57 – 0:35:59] Adam: Yeah, we haven’t talked about that.
[0:35:59 – 0:36:04] Erik: I mean, we’ve talked about it, not on this specific episode, but we’ve mentioned it in the past.
[0:36:06 – 0:36:07] Erik: Done to 56%.
[0:36:07 – 0:36:08] Erik: Like, what is happening?
[0:36:08 – 0:36:09] Erik: It’s so cold.
[0:36:09 – 0:36:11] Erik: This battery is just clinging.
[0:36:11 – 0:36:13] Adam: The wind is coming off the big lake.
[0:36:14 – 0:36:40] Adam: um so yeah i guess i’m i’m not holding it free wow free and it’s a lottery to the everybody that everybody has a passport no uh you got to make it everybody who has a library card in america which is free and easy to obtain gets entered into the lottery and uh then you get your permits based on uh no we’re not doing this that’s definitely not the way
[0:36:40 – 0:36:46] Erik: No, I don’t think it is, but I’m thinking of alternatives along those lines that would be a way to… A way…
[0:36:51 – 0:36:55] Erik: I don’t think you could ever make it free and not quota-based.
[0:36:55 – 0:36:57] Adam: It’s our wilderness.
[0:36:57 – 0:37:08] Adam: I mean, but yeah, you need, well, you just fund it right so that you’re not relying on the actual, that people got to pay a paddling fee to go in or whatever you want to call it.
[0:37:11 – 0:37:12] Adam: It’s our wilderness.
[0:37:12 – 0:37:14] Adam: It’s one of the nicest things about this.
[0:37:16 – 0:37:17] Adam: I’m not going to make you loon bleep.
[0:37:18 – 0:37:46] Adam: i’ve been so i’ve been so close to loon bleeping so far rat ass country and it’s one of the nicest things about it and you would think that yeah if you got people that are interested in doing this kind of thing they should just be able to go in there you know there still should be a permit and you gotta apply or whatever not i’m half in and half out on the random lottery idea maybe like half the permits are just that you get thrown in the hopper spit out you gotta go up there you’re going to the little indian sioux river i guess
[0:37:47 – 0:37:54] Erik: Well, we’ve talked about it in the past, too, on ways to truly change the park and the permitting system.
[0:37:54 – 0:37:55] Adam: It’s clearly never going to change.
[0:37:55 – 0:37:59] Adam: They’re just going to keep doing the same crap they’re doing because it’s fine.
[0:37:59 – 0:38:01] Adam: It’s easier than doing something else.
[0:38:01 – 0:38:01] Erik: Yeah, right.
[0:38:01 – 0:38:04] Adam: It’s easier and it’s cheaper, and that’s this country.
[0:38:04 – 0:38:09] Adam: It’s a plastic country where easy and cheap wins, Eric.
[0:38:09 – 0:38:10] Erik: Yeah.
[0:38:10 – 0:38:21] Erik: No, and that’s everything is the diminishing quality and the acceleration of costs seems to just be something that everybody’s fine with.
[0:38:22 – 0:38:26] Erik: Like, oh, I’m paying more for something that actually is less.
[0:38:26 – 0:38:27] Erik: Okay, fine.
[0:38:27 – 0:38:32] Erik: I guess like how many buy it for life things actually exist anymore.
[0:38:32 – 0:38:33] Erik: There’s not too many of them out there.
[0:38:34 – 0:38:47] Erik: How many actual wilderness and like park experiences do you get that are better than ones you experienced 20 years ago for the same price or cheaper?
[0:38:47 – 0:38:49] Erik: Probably very, very few.
[0:38:49 – 0:38:49] Erik: Um,
[0:38:50 – 0:39:03] Erik: So you’re basically paying for what you paid for 20 years ago and getting a worse experience because of mismanagement, a misallocation of enforcement specifically.
[0:39:04 – 0:39:14] Erik: And there really isn’t a whole lot that goes into – not that there needs to be, but I don’t know.
[0:39:14 – 0:39:18] Erik: There seems to be just the baseline of –
[0:39:21 – 0:39:36] Adam: actual like clearing of like portages and campsite like okay that’s just left to the user right exactly the the person out there and trying to enjoy their vacation is often the one that’s doing all like most of the portage work now
[0:39:37 – 0:39:42] Erik: Basically, but I mean, I would say the vast majority of people who regularly visit the Boundary Waters, they’re fully…
[0:39:43 – 0:39:46] Erik: I’m willing to bust out a saw if I have to.
[0:39:46 – 0:39:46] Erik: That doesn’t like…
[0:39:47 – 0:39:49] Erik: I’m not like, oh, Forest Service, a tree came down.
[0:39:50 – 0:39:50] Erik: Like, I don’t really…
[0:39:50 – 0:39:51] Adam: I’m not calling this one in.
[0:39:52 – 0:39:52] Adam: No.
[0:39:52 – 0:39:53] Adam: Calling it into the home office.
[0:39:53 – 0:39:54] Erik: Yeah, that doesn’t…
[0:39:54 – 0:40:03] Erik: I mean, I’m fully expecting that if it does come across, you know, on a portage, if that happens to be a thing, especially once you get out there, a day’s paddle in.
[0:40:03 – 0:40:04] Erik: It’s just…
[0:40:06 – 0:40:07] Erik: It’s not surprising.
[0:40:07 – 0:40:08] Adam: I don’t know.
[0:40:08 – 0:40:14] Adam: It’s just pushing me to the edges, you know, not in a psychological way, just in the terms of seasons.
[0:40:15 – 0:40:21] Adam: I’m lucky enough to live right here, and so it’s like I just don’t even, I try and avoid it during the busy season and go to the edges.
[0:40:21 – 0:40:23] Adam: Like, do you think there’s anybody out there right now camping?
[0:40:23 – 0:40:27] Adam: This would be a great time to be out, probably on some early ice, some sketchy ice somewhere.
[0:40:28 – 0:40:29] Adam: Probably some very sketchy ice.
[0:40:29 – 0:40:38] Adam: I guarantee there’s somebody out there in a wall tent right now, walked out on like four inches of ice with a sled and set up and they’re probably banging fish.
[0:40:39 – 0:40:39] Erik: Probably.
[0:40:39 – 0:40:42] Adam: Pretty, really good time to be out there right in the middle of a blizzard.
[0:40:43 – 0:40:43] Erik: Yeah.
[0:40:43 – 0:40:45] Adam: That’d be the, that’d be the thing, you know.
[0:40:46 – 0:40:48] Adam: That’s how you’re going to have to do it going forward.
[0:40:48 – 0:40:53] Adam: They’re never going to do a fair lottery or a way to figure that out.
[0:40:53 – 0:40:59] Adam: They’re just going to keep pushing the people who know about the park to the edges of the season to avoid it until…
[0:41:01 – 0:41:04] Adam: until it’s overrun or they just completely cut it all back, you know?
[0:41:05 – 0:41:11] Adam: And then at some point they’re just going to be like, no, only 10 people are allowed to go in to this permit each year.
[0:41:11 – 0:41:17] Adam: And you got to enter a, it’s like getting season tickets for your kid, for the Packers.
[0:41:17 – 0:41:21] Adam: Like you just enter the child, put the name in the hopper.
[0:41:22 – 0:41:25] Adam: Maybe by the time you’re 70, you’ll be able to go to Clearwater Lake.
[0:41:25 – 0:41:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:41:25 – 0:41:27] Erik: The, uh, the, uh,
[0:41:28 – 0:41:31] Adam: See Darcy Levins barreling to the end zone.
[0:41:31 – 0:41:33] Erik: You’re in the lottery for a Packers season ticket.
[0:41:35 – 0:41:35] Erik: Yeah, I don’t know.
[0:41:35 – 0:41:42] Erik: I feel like the Forest Service and whatever powers that be, they just don’t seem to understand the demographic of users.
[0:41:43 – 0:41:58] Erik: And they’re seemingly casting out the hardcore users and or alienating them for the greater good of casuals.
[0:41:59 – 0:42:00] Erik: Casuals?
[0:42:00 – 0:42:01] Erik: Which isn’t…
[0:42:01 – 0:42:31] Erik: I mean it’s not a I don’t think that’s a bad thing necessarily but the heart of the heart of the park is in the hardcore users and they’re being continually like carved off into April May early June September October paddling because the experience in July and August is one of absolute
[0:42:32 – 0:42:46] Adam: Yeah, revisit episode 48 in which we talk about tiered entry and the elite status you gain by having extra permits under your belt and eventually unlocks the rat lake PMA.
[0:42:46 – 0:42:50] Erik: Somebody’s going to go back and revisit 48 and it’s not going to be that at all.
[0:42:51 – 0:42:53] Erik: But in the past, we definitely have talked about that.
[0:42:53 – 0:42:53] Adam: I’m sorry.
[0:42:54 – 0:42:54] Adam: I just cracked this beer.
[0:42:54 – 0:42:56] Adam: I’m so jazzed right now.
[0:42:56 – 0:43:21] Erik: all right greetings from unicorn island which essentially i think is unicorn a great uh unicorn island is a great term for hmm there it is that’s what i wanted pipeworks coming through the coconut that’s what i wanted i give that that’s that’s seven out of seven horns for me
[0:43:23 – 0:43:25] Adam: Seven out of seven horns.
[0:43:25 – 0:43:29] Erik: I wanted it to be that round of mango margs.
[0:43:29 – 0:43:31] Erik: I wanted it to be way more juicy.
[0:43:31 – 0:43:32] Erik: This one’s nice and juicy.
[0:43:33 – 0:43:34] Adam: The mango’s a little intense.
[0:43:35 – 0:43:36] Adam: This is a little smoother.
[0:43:36 – 0:43:37] Erik: This is a little smoother.
[0:43:37 – 0:43:42] Erik: But the unicorn island concept of a perfectly run Boundary Waters is just that.
[0:43:42 – 0:43:44] Erik: It’s not a thing that exists.
[0:43:44 – 0:43:46] Erik: It’s an island of unicorns.
[0:43:46 – 0:43:47] Erik: And if you ever think you’re going to find it, you’re not.
[0:43:48 – 0:43:49] Erik: And I get it.
[0:43:49 – 0:43:50] Erik: They’re doing their best.
[0:43:50 – 0:44:00] Erik: But I think if you’re really looking at it with a clear and sober sense of mind, it’s a PR move.
[0:44:00 – 0:44:01] Erik: I don’t think it’s a stunt move.
[0:44:02 – 0:44:03] Erik: I think that they’re just a stunt.
[0:44:03 – 0:44:06] Adam: It’s definitely a stunt.
[0:44:06 – 0:44:09] Adam: I’m going to give this one a seven out of seven palm trees.
[0:44:10 – 0:44:11] Erik: Ooh, man.
[0:44:11 – 0:44:12] Erik: Palm trees.
[0:44:13 – 0:44:16] Adam: Don’t even get any ideas in your head about palm trees, Eric.
[0:44:17 – 0:44:18] Adam: They’re not as cool as you think they are.
[0:44:18 – 0:44:21] Erik: So yeah, it should be interesting to see what happens.
[0:44:21 – 0:44:22] Adam: Barely trees.
[0:44:22 – 0:44:24] Adam: I would argue they’re more of like a root.
[0:44:25 – 0:44:27] Adam: 90% of… Got out of control out of the sand.
[0:44:27 – 0:44:28] Adam: It’s a sand root.
[0:44:28 – 0:44:29] Adam: Palm trees?
[0:44:29 – 0:44:30] Adam: Sounds kind of dirty.
[0:44:30 – 0:44:31] Erik: Sand root?
[0:44:31 – 0:44:32] Adam: Sand root.
[0:44:32 – 0:44:35] Erik: Yeah, it sounds like it could be a potential like slur.
[0:44:37 – 0:44:38] Erik: I don’t even know if…
[0:44:38 – 0:44:40] Erik: I don’t even think palm trees are native to Hawaii.
[0:44:41 – 0:44:41] Adam: Or Florida.
[0:44:42 – 0:44:42] Erik: No.
[0:44:42 – 0:44:45] Erik: They’re from like one very specific place.
[0:44:46 – 0:44:46] Erik: Or California.
[0:44:47 – 0:44:47] Erik: See?
[0:44:47 – 0:44:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:44:48 – 0:44:49] Erik: Palm trees aren’t real.
[0:44:50 – 0:44:52] Erik: That’s the name of this podcast.
[0:44:52 – 0:44:53] Erik: Sand lupins.
[0:44:54 – 0:44:56] Adam: They’re invasive.
[0:44:56 – 0:44:57] Adam: Sand lupins.
[0:44:57 – 0:44:58] Adam: They’re so pretty, though.
[0:44:58 – 0:45:00] Adam: Oh, they’re so dang pretty.
[0:45:00 – 0:45:01] Erik: Did you know they’re invasive?
[0:45:01 – 0:45:02] Erik: I always love that guy.
[0:45:03 – 0:45:03] Erik: Anytime.
[0:45:03 – 0:45:04] Erik: Oh, that’s such a pretty flower.
[0:45:04 – 0:45:05] Erik: It’s invasive, though.
[0:45:05 – 0:45:06] Adam: It’s invasive.
[0:45:07 – 0:45:09] Erik: So, yeah, I guess in conclusion…
[0:45:11 – 0:45:12] Erik: So we’ll see.
[0:45:12 – 0:45:18] Erik: I would have loved a little bit more information from the Forest Service on which entry points would be affected.
[0:45:18 – 0:45:21] Erik: And I’m not even that I’m not close.
[0:45:21 – 0:45:22] Erik: I’m not even close to that.
[0:45:22 – 0:45:28] Adam: I was surprised, but I was not shocked that they had zero details available as to what they’re actually doing.
[0:45:28 – 0:45:32] Adam: They’re just vague, overarching, like, we’re going to do this.
[0:45:32 – 0:45:33] Erik: But they had enough…
[0:45:33 – 0:45:36] Adam: I wouldn’t even be surprised if they never actually reduced the permits.
[0:45:36 – 0:45:40] Erik: They had enough information to say that there are certain numbers of permits, though.
[0:45:40 – 0:45:44] Erik: They were like, well, 10 from the Gunflint side and 12 from the Ely side.
[0:45:44 – 0:45:45] Erik: So it’s like, okay, so you know what they are.
[0:45:45 – 0:45:48] Adam: That’s on a need-to-know basis, and you…
[0:45:48 – 0:45:50] Adam: Don’t need to know.
[0:45:50 – 0:45:54] Erik: But I would think that they would let the outfitters know.
[0:45:54 – 0:45:59] Erik: And if I was still an outfitter, I’d probably be a little bit more up in arms about… That’s the big deal.
[0:45:59 – 0:46:01] Adam: Whenever the permit’s gone up for sale, then you’ll see.
[0:46:01 – 0:46:03] Adam: We’ll tell you when you need to know.
[0:46:03 – 0:46:05] Adam: And that’s when the money starts coming in.
[0:46:05 – 0:46:06] Erik: It’s so…
[0:46:07 – 0:46:14] Erik: God, this is an episode that really – this is probably the last episode that does start with the loon intro because the loons are long gone.
[0:46:14 – 0:46:15] Erik: It’s winter.
[0:46:16 – 0:46:26] Erik: But I would have loved to have just gone full from the beginning knowing we’re going to loon bleep because there are so many things about this that makes me want to loon bleep because this is classic forest service.
[0:46:27 – 0:46:27] Adam: It is.
[0:46:27 – 0:46:30] Erik: Because just to give you as an example –
[0:46:31 – 0:46:39] Erik: As an outfitter, you have to put in your orders for canoes in a timely fashion for manufacturers for the next season.
[0:46:40 – 0:46:44] Erik: And that time is typically in late fall.
[0:46:44 – 0:46:47] Adam: So all of the canoe orders for outfitters have been…
[0:46:48 – 0:46:48] Adam: They’re in.
[0:46:49 – 0:46:51] Adam: Yeah, so it’s not like they’re going to cut the permits in half or something.
[0:46:51 – 0:46:54] Erik: But still, that will affect…
[0:46:54 – 0:46:58] Erik: I mean, specifically if there’s a big entry point on…
[0:46:58 – 0:47:01] Erik: I’m thinking a big entry point on the Ely side.
[0:47:01 – 0:47:04] Erik: I’m thinking maybe Moose Lake gets cut down by five permits.
[0:47:05 – 0:47:06] Erik: That could be a canoe or two.
[0:47:06 – 0:47:06] Erik: Really?
[0:47:07 – 0:47:08] Erik: Really hurt our friends at Hall & Oates Outfitters.
[0:47:09 – 0:47:17] Erik: That could be a $5,000 decision that the Forest Service just made two months after a canoe purchase.
[0:47:17 – 0:47:18] Erik: Yeah, I know.
[0:47:18 – 0:47:23] Erik: And there was no indication that this decision was coming.
[0:47:23 – 0:47:25] Erik: Same thing with the bear barrel mandate.
[0:47:25 – 0:47:25] Erik: Right.
[0:47:25 – 0:47:26] Erik: Oh, we’re just doing this now.
[0:47:27 – 0:47:33] Erik: Oh, you’ve been buying blue bear barrels for the last two years and transitioning to that hardcore and that’s all you send out now?
[0:47:33 – 0:47:37] Erik: You’ve got thousands of dollars tied up in big plastic bins that are now pointless.
[0:47:38 – 0:47:39] Erik: Legally pointless.
[0:47:40 – 0:47:44] Adam: They’ll issue a memorandum on that and fix that next year.
[0:47:44 – 0:47:44] Adam: Who cares?
[0:47:44 – 0:47:45] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:45 – 0:47:46] Adam: He’s actually paying attention to this stuff.
[0:47:47 – 0:47:47] Erik: Yeah.
[0:47:47 – 0:47:48] Erik: All right.
[0:47:48 – 0:47:54] Erik: So, yeah, the Forest Service can just stick their head in sand and never come back up as far as I’m concerned.
[0:47:55 – 0:47:57] Adam: That’s another kind of sand root.
[0:47:57 – 0:47:58] Adam: Sand roots.
[0:47:58 – 0:47:59] Adam: Whether I’m an outfitter or not.
[0:47:59 – 0:48:02] Erik: He’s heated.
[0:48:02 – 0:48:05] Erik: I’m just going to start going out wherever I want, whenever I want at this point.
[0:48:05 – 0:48:09] Adam: Well, that’s what’s going to happen if somebody gets pushed too far.
[0:48:09 – 0:48:10] Adam: You don’t want to see what can happen.
[0:48:10 – 0:48:12] Adam: You don’t want to see when you push me too far.
[0:48:12 – 0:48:13] Adam: It’s a warning.
[0:48:13 – 0:48:14] Erik: I’m going to go camp on…
[0:48:15 – 0:48:17] Erik: I’m going to go camp on bog without a permit.
[0:48:17 – 0:48:21] Adam: Got a Susie Bishop quote in and a Dorsey Levens reference in this episode.
[0:48:22 – 0:48:23] Adam: Did not see that coming.
[0:48:23 – 0:48:24] Adam: Dorsey Levens.
[0:48:25 – 0:48:26] Adam: Oh my God.
[0:48:27 – 0:48:27] Adam: What a hero.
[0:48:29 – 0:48:29] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:30 – 0:48:30] Erik: Yeah.
[0:48:31 – 0:48:37] Erik: So yeah, whatever the permit system has already been borderline F and it’s just going to kind of continue to be that way.
[0:48:37 – 0:48:38] Adam: All right.
[0:48:38 – 0:48:39] Adam: We got to get a commercial break, Eric.
[0:48:40 – 0:48:42] Erik: No, no, we don’t have any sponsors, but we will take a break.
[0:48:46 – 0:48:52] Adam: Tomahome, a Boundary Waters podcast, is sponsored by your friends at the National Forest Service.
[0:48:52 – 0:48:57] Adam: We are doing our good work to make sure that you have access to the park you love.
[0:48:57 – 0:48:59] Adam: And now, back to the show.
[0:49:02 – 0:49:04] Adam: Did you know they were our sponsor tonight?
[0:49:04 – 0:49:05] Adam: How did that happen?
[0:49:05 – 0:49:09] Erik: Thank you, Kathy, at the Forest Service for that canned ad.
[0:49:10 – 0:49:13] Erik: Well, let’s move on, and we’ll finish with…
[0:49:15 – 0:49:25] Erik: Something completely different and off topic, but it’s, uh, I think it’s on the, the, the minds of everybody.
[0:49:25 – 0:49:37] Erik: Now you can’t, you can’t scroll through any social media platform or form without seeing somebody’s G D Spotify wrapped.
[0:49:38 – 0:49:38] Erik: Why?
[0:49:39 – 0:49:41] Erik: Honestly, do you think Tumble Home’s on title?
[0:49:42 – 0:49:43] UNKNOWN: Shush.
[0:49:43 – 0:49:44] Adam: Are we on title, Eric?
[0:49:45 – 0:49:46] Erik: No.
[0:49:46 – 0:49:48] Adam: Title rap didn’t give me nothing.
[0:49:49 – 0:49:51] Adam: It was like, you’re not on title.
[0:49:51 – 0:49:53] Adam: I was like, well, why not?
[0:49:53 – 0:49:56] Erik: Why do they do it on December 1st?
[0:49:56 – 0:49:57] Erik: There’s a whole other month.
[0:49:58 – 0:49:59] Erik: The year’s not over.
[0:49:59 – 0:50:02] Erik: What if an album comes out in mid-November?
[0:50:03 – 0:50:03] Erik: Yeah.
[0:50:04 – 0:50:04] Erik: Think about that.
[0:50:05 – 0:50:06] Erik: Well, you’re thinking about that.
[0:50:06 – 0:50:06] Erik: Think about this.
[0:50:07 – 0:50:12] Erik: We’re going to definitely come out with an episode that is specifically our top 10 albums of this year.
[0:50:14 – 0:50:16] Adam: Yeah, we are going to do that for sure.
[0:50:16 – 0:50:30] Erik: Because the Spotify playlist, I’m sure you’ve all got good heads on your shoulders and you know, they’re all greatly skewed to albums that came out in the beginning of the year that has allowed you the longest amount of time to listen to them.
[0:50:30 – 0:50:37] Erik: Because there are a lot of albums that I’ve been listening to that would definitely be in my top five, but it is just based on minutes.
[0:50:38 – 0:50:39] Adam: Yeah, that’s true.
[0:50:39 – 0:50:45] Erik: Whatever your top five is, they’re not my favorite albums.
[0:50:45 – 0:50:47] Erik: My number one album didn’t even come out this year.
[0:50:49 – 0:50:49] Erik: How does that work?
[0:50:50 – 0:50:52] Erik: I just listen to it the most.
[0:50:52 – 0:50:53] Erik: Oh, I see.
[0:50:53 – 0:50:56] Erik: And it should make the most sense because it’s the easiest to listen to a lot.
[0:50:56 – 0:50:57] Erik: It’s only 15 minutes long.
[0:50:58 – 0:50:59] Erik: Oh, no.
[0:51:00 – 0:51:01] Erik: You know what it is.
[0:51:01 – 0:51:01] Erik: Do I?
[0:51:02 – 0:51:02] Erik: Yeah, it’s T.R.
[0:51:02 – 0:51:03] Erik: Wax, Wack World.
[0:51:03 – 0:51:03] Adam: Oh, yeah.
[0:51:04 – 0:51:06] Adam: That was actually, yeah, that was in my top five.
[0:51:06 – 0:51:09] Erik: Right, because you can listen to the whole album.
[0:51:10 – 0:51:12] Adam: There are very few albums I can listen to in my commute.
[0:51:12 – 0:51:14] Adam: The Drive to Town, yeah.
[0:51:14 – 0:51:15] Adam: It’s a little too short.
[0:51:15 – 0:51:18] Adam: I wish he had maybe two more stories in there.
[0:51:18 – 0:51:20] Erik: And she just came out with an EP.
[0:51:20 – 0:51:21] Erik: It’s like, come on, Tierra.
[0:51:21 – 0:51:23] Erik: Just come out with like a full LP.
[0:51:23 – 0:51:24] Erik: I want a whole album from you.
[0:51:24 – 0:51:30] Adam: So do you have your top five artists and your number one listen to podcast, which is not Humble Home?
[0:51:30 – 0:51:32] Adam: What’s your number one listen to podcast?
[0:51:32 – 0:51:32] Adam: I have to know.
[0:51:33 – 0:51:34] Erik: The Steve Dangle podcast.
[0:51:34 – 0:51:36] Adam: Yeah, I suppose it is Steve Dangle.
[0:51:36 – 0:51:37] Adam: Those shows are too long.
[0:51:39 – 0:51:39] Erik: Whatever.
[0:51:39 – 0:51:40] Adam: I mean, there’s a lot of them.
[0:51:41 – 0:52:04] Erik: you like hockey more than the boundary waters everybody knows it i go for long walks with my dog i go for like two hour walks every day carlson those things are like four hours long i don’t i can’t listen to fantasy talk it gets so repetitive yeah it is yeah i listen to it when i’m like leading up to a draft but once the season’s in play i don’t need to you you don’t have the total minutes on steve do you have total minutes on steve dangle
[0:52:05 – 0:52:05] Erik: Total minutes.
[0:52:06 – 0:52:06] Erik: No, I don’t.
[0:52:06 – 0:52:08] Erik: I might be able to find it if the internet isn’t here.
[0:52:08 – 0:52:10] Adam: I can tell you my Tumble Home stats.
[0:52:10 – 0:52:12] Adam: We’ll go ahead and give them to you.
[0:52:12 – 0:52:22] Adam: My top podcast was Tumble Home, and as we’ve discussed already, Eric doesn’t have to listen to it again because he already listened to it once while we recorded it and then another time doing the post-production.
[0:52:23 – 0:52:27] Adam: He’s the wizard behind the keyboard that keeps the whole show running.
[0:52:27 – 0:52:30] Adam: Shout out to Eric, and cheers to you from Unicorn Island.
[0:52:31 – 0:52:33] Adam: for doing all the computer work on the show.
[0:52:33 – 0:52:39] Adam: All I have to do is show up and drink beers, and I’m a professional podcaster, apparently.
[0:52:41 – 0:52:42] Erik: Tastes like the beach.
[0:52:42 – 0:52:46] Adam: I listened to 66 episodes of Tumble Home this year for a total of 4,647 minutes.
[0:52:46 – 0:52:46] Adam: 4,000?
[0:52:46 – 0:52:47] Adam: 4,000.
[0:52:47 – 0:52:47] Adam: 4,000?
[0:52:47 – 0:52:47] Adam: It doesn’t seem like that much.
[0:52:47 – 0:52:49] Adam: We have 4,000 minutes of content?
[0:52:55 – 0:52:56] Erik: At least.
[0:52:56 – 0:52:59] Adam: I mean, I haven’t listened to a whole lot of archive shows either.
[0:52:59 – 0:53:01] Adam: That’s just basically listening to each show once.
[0:53:02 – 0:53:08] Adam: And that doesn’t count any of the Tumble Home Cinema Classics stuff from the Patreon.
[0:53:08 – 0:53:11] Adam: That does not attract our good friends at Spotify.
[0:53:12 – 0:53:17] Adam: I’m just being told now in the mic that our next sponsor is Spotify, so be gentle.
[0:53:18 – 0:53:19] Erik: Be gentle.
[0:53:19 – 0:53:24] Adam: What are the chances that our sponsors tonight are going to be the Forest Service and Spotify?
[0:53:24 – 0:53:24] Adam: Yeah.
[0:53:25 – 0:53:46] Adam: just ragging on them what did you have for just an overall like minutes listened to overall did you have that stat i didn’t i didn’t screen grab that one i don’t know i can give you my top five artists um i can give you the my top five songs also that’s the only other things i have what do you think what do you want to know
[0:53:49 – 0:53:50] Adam: I’ll give you my top five artists.
[0:53:50 – 0:53:51] Adam: How about that?
[0:53:51 – 0:53:51] Erik: Do it.
[0:53:52 – 0:53:58] Erik: I’m going through my roundup again just to get to what my minutes on the podcast were.
[0:53:58 – 0:53:59] Adam: Okay.
[0:53:59 – 0:54:02] Adam: I’m going to give you my top five artists in reverse.
[0:54:02 – 0:54:03] Adam: Number five, Eric.
[0:54:05 – 0:54:06] Adam: It’s a problem.
[0:54:06 – 0:54:08] Adam: Hey, that’s my number five too.
[0:54:08 – 0:54:09] Adam: Bo Burnham.
[0:54:09 – 0:54:09] Adam: Yeah.
[0:54:09 – 0:54:10] Adam: Number five.
[0:54:10 – 0:54:13] Adam: I listened to Inside a lot.
[0:54:13 – 0:54:15] Adam: I didn’t listen to any Bo Burnham stand up or nothing.
[0:54:15 – 0:54:19] Adam: It was just straight up listening to the Inside soundtrack a lot.
[0:54:19 – 0:54:20] Erik: Yeah.
[0:54:20 – 0:54:21] Erik: That was my number five.
[0:54:21 – 0:54:22] Erik: He’s a problem.
[0:54:23 – 0:54:29] Adam: I probably listened to, I literally think Bezos 2 is like my 10th most listened to track of the year.
[0:54:30 – 0:54:34] Erik: I was surprised to not see any specific Burnham songs on my top five songs.
[0:54:36 – 0:54:38] Adam: Number four, Tierra Whack.
[0:54:39 – 0:54:40] Erik: Whack World?
[0:54:40 – 0:54:41] Adam: Whack World.
[0:54:41 – 0:54:44] Adam: This is a top five artist.
[0:54:44 – 0:54:45] Adam: I didn’t listen.
[0:54:45 – 0:54:49] Adam: I mean, that one song, the music video with the potatoes they’re singing.
[0:54:49 – 0:54:50] Adam: I mean, that’s disturbing.
[0:54:50 – 0:54:53] Adam: I don’t think that’s part of Whack World.
[0:54:54 – 0:54:58] Adam: Anyways, Tierra Whack, if you have not experienced the whack.
[0:55:00 – 0:55:00] Adam: That is whack.
[0:55:01 – 0:55:02] Adam: Number three, Father John Misty.
[0:55:03 – 0:55:04] Erik: Have you heard of this guy?
[0:55:04 – 0:55:04] Erik: Big surprise.
[0:55:04 – 0:55:05] Adam: Have you heard of this guy?
[0:55:07 – 0:55:10] Adam: And number two, which I was surprised.
[0:55:10 – 0:55:11] Adam: I thought this was going to be my number one.
[0:55:11 – 0:55:14] Adam: King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard.
[0:55:14 – 0:55:14] Erik: Number two.
[0:55:14 – 0:55:16] Erik: It was number two for me.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:16] Erik: Nice.
[0:55:16 – 0:55:23] Adam: And then that left, of course, number one for the Avalanches, which did not release new music this year at all.
[0:55:23 – 0:55:25] Adam: I don’t think Father John Misty did either in 2021.
[0:55:26 – 0:55:27] Adam: Maybe a couple singles.
[0:55:27 – 0:55:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:55:28 – 0:55:29] Adam: Just shows my hand.
[0:55:31 – 0:55:32] Erik: Just shows your hand.
[0:55:32 – 0:55:33] Adam: That showed my hand right there.
[0:55:34 – 0:55:35] Adam: I can’t bet now.
[0:55:35 – 0:55:37] Adam: Oh, I can’t bet.
[0:55:38 – 0:55:39] Adam: Just blink.
[0:55:39 – 0:55:40] Adam: Just blink glass.
[0:55:41 – 0:55:42] Adam: All I need you to do is blink.
[0:55:43 – 0:55:48] Erik: 98 episodes for a total of 9,759 minutes of the Steve Dangle podcast.
[0:55:48 – 0:55:49] Adam: 98 episodes?
[0:55:50 – 0:55:52] Adam: Holy moly.
[0:55:52 – 0:55:53] Adam: That’s a lot.
[0:55:53 – 0:55:53] Adam: Yeah.
[0:55:54 – 0:55:54] Adam: Three times a week?
[0:55:54 – 0:55:55] Adam: What is he doing?
[0:55:55 – 0:55:59] Erik: Two or three sometimes, yeah.
[0:55:59 – 0:56:00] Erik: How many minutes?
[0:56:00 – 0:56:01] Adam: 9,700.
[0:56:01 – 0:56:02] Adam: That’s double my tumble home minutes.
[0:56:03 – 0:56:04] Adam: Yeah.
[0:56:04 – 0:56:06] Erik: Steve Dangle, last podcast on the left.
[0:56:06 – 0:56:08] Erik: You still made fun of me dressing Tarasenko.
[0:56:08 – 0:56:09] Erik: And this is important.
[0:56:12 – 0:56:13] Adam: I’m going to stick by it.
[0:56:13 – 0:56:15] Adam: Tarasenko was a dumb draft pick.
[0:56:16 – 0:56:18] Erik: Where were you at in your countdown, though?
[0:56:18 – 0:56:19] Adam: That was my top five.
[0:56:19 – 0:56:19] Adam: I’m done.
[0:56:20 – 0:56:21] Adam: Oh, you did it?
[0:56:21 – 0:56:21] Adam: Top five artists.
[0:56:21 – 0:56:23] Adam: Yeah, what are your top five artists?
[0:56:23 – 0:56:23] Adam: Huh?
[0:56:23 – 0:56:24] Adam: What was your number one?
[0:56:25 – 0:56:26] Erik: Oh, your number one was the Avalanches.
[0:56:26 – 0:56:28] Erik: Yeah.
[0:56:28 – 0:56:29] Erik: Bo Burnham was my five.
[0:56:29 – 0:56:31] Erik: Turnstile was four.
[0:56:31 – 0:56:33] Erik: The Avalanches was three.
[0:56:33 – 0:56:34] Erik: Islands was two.
[0:56:34 – 0:56:36] Erik: And Tierra Whack was number one.
[0:56:36 – 0:56:37] Erik: Tierra Whack, number one.
[0:56:37 – 0:56:37] Adam: Yep.
[0:56:38 – 0:56:57] Adam: wow that’s like having uh wow at one point in the deli we had this like quinoa lemon spinach quinoa salad that weighed nothing everything’s by weight and our number one seller of the year was lemon spinach quinoa you’re like how is that possible they literally cost like 90 cents a pack
[0:56:58 – 0:57:00] Adam: But you sell enough of them.
[0:57:00 – 0:57:01] Adam: That’s Tierra Whack for you.
[0:57:02 – 0:57:03] Erik: Well, they’re a minute long.
[0:57:03 – 0:57:04] Erik: It’s pretty hard.
[0:57:04 – 0:57:06] Adam: Salt, pepper, ketchup, and hot sauce.
[0:57:07 – 0:57:10] Adam: I like mine fried hard, but not soft.
[0:57:10 – 0:57:11] Adam: That was pretty good.
[0:57:11 – 0:57:12] Adam: That was pretty good.
[0:57:12 – 0:57:14] Erik: Did you have your top five songs?
[0:57:14 – 0:57:16] Adam: Yeah, they’re all King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard.
[0:57:17 – 0:57:17] Adam: Oh, nice.
[0:57:17 – 0:57:18] Adam: All of them.
[0:57:18 – 0:57:20] Adam: I was shocked, but not that shocked.
[0:57:21 – 0:57:22] Adam: Interior People was number one.
[0:57:23 – 0:57:23] Adam: Nice.
[0:57:24 – 0:57:25] Adam: Catching Smoke, number two.
[0:57:26 – 0:57:27] Adam: Blue Morpho, three.
[0:57:28 – 0:57:29] Adam: Dreams, four.
[0:57:29 – 0:57:30] Adam: And Shanghai, five.
[0:57:30 – 0:57:34] Adam: So the top five songs of the album, but in reverse order?
[0:57:35 – 0:57:37] Adam: Not sure what’s going on there.
[0:57:37 – 0:57:41] Adam: I guess I did always, sometimes I’ll skip the first couple tracks, I guess.
[0:57:42 – 0:57:42] Adam: Don’t know.
[0:57:42 – 0:57:46] Adam: But yeah, all five of my top five songs from that album.
[0:57:46 – 0:57:50] Adam: So I guess it does confirm it was the album of the summer for me.
[0:57:51 – 0:57:52] Erik: There you go.
[0:57:52 – 0:57:52] Erik: Nice.
[0:57:54 – 0:58:01] Erik: Yeah, my top five songs, Isla Mania, Marble, Say the Name, Dora, and Pretty Ugly.
[0:58:03 – 0:58:05] Erik: Isla Mania and Marble are both island songs.
[0:58:05 – 0:58:07] Erik: Say the Name is by Clipping.
[0:58:07 – 0:58:12] Erik: And then Dora and Pretty Ugly are Tierra Whack songs.
[0:58:13 – 0:58:13] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:15 – 0:58:24] Erik: I was pretty surprised to see that Pretty Ugly was the number one song just because it’s like the 12th track on the Wack World album.
[0:58:24 – 0:58:24] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:24 – 0:58:26] Erik: Which is from 2018.
[0:58:26 – 0:58:30] Erik: My top album of 2021 was an album that’s three years old.
[0:58:30 – 0:58:38] Adam: I think one of the main things that changed my entire world was when you showed me that Talking Potato video from Tierra Wack.
[0:58:39 – 0:58:40] Adam: Yeah.
[0:58:42 – 0:58:42] Adam: Wow.
[0:58:45 – 0:58:47] Adam: is quite disturbing.
[0:58:49 – 0:58:51] Adam: In the best possible way, I mean that.
[0:58:51 – 0:58:51] Erik: Yeah.
[0:58:57 – 0:59:03] Erik: Yeah, if you haven’t checked out the Tierra Whack Whack World album, spend some time with just the music.
[0:59:03 – 0:59:04] Adam: There’s a whole music video just for the whole album.
[0:59:04 – 0:59:11] Erik: I was going to say, beyond that, actually just sit down and watch the entire…
[0:59:11 – 0:59:13] Erik: It’s a music video for the whole album.
[0:59:13 – 0:59:15] Erik: Yeah, I might watch that again tonight.
[0:59:15 – 0:59:20] Erik: Each song has an entirely different, like, I don’t know, scene to them.
[0:59:21 – 0:59:21] Erik: Yeah.
[0:59:21 – 0:59:25] Erik: And it’s so perfect and it works just beautifully.
[0:59:25 – 0:59:25] Erik: Yeah.
[0:59:26 – 0:59:31] Adam: I’ll tell you what, we are going to do a full-on top 10 albums of the year show in the future.
[0:59:32 – 0:59:33] Adam: Yes, before the end of the year.
[0:59:33 – 0:59:44] Adam: One of them that didn’t make, you know, Spotify doesn’t, because I just started listening to this, so it’s not going to make any of the year end list, thanks or whatever to Spotify’s algorithms or what have you.
[0:59:44 – 0:59:45] Erik: Boo the algorithm.
[0:59:45 – 0:59:46] Erik: Well, it’s fine.
[0:59:46 – 0:59:46] Erik: I don’t know.
[0:59:47 – 0:59:47] Erik: It makes sense.
[0:59:47 – 0:59:49] Erik: All it does is count minutes.
[0:59:49 – 0:59:49] Adam: Yeah.
[0:59:49 – 0:59:50] Adam: It doesn’t really matter.
[0:59:51 – 0:59:52] Adam: Little Sims.
[0:59:52 – 0:59:53] Adam: Oh, Eric.
[0:59:53 – 0:59:55] Adam: I was like, hey, Eric, you heard of this Little Sims?
[0:59:56 – 0:59:57] Adam: He’s like, yeah, I told you about him.
[0:59:58 – 1:00:03] Adam: And then I was listening to him on the entire American Campground series in the background.
[1:00:03 – 1:00:03] Adam: The whole road trip.
[1:00:03 – 1:00:04] Adam: Little Sims all the time.
[1:00:04 – 1:00:05] Adam: And I was like, oh, were you?
[1:00:05 – 1:00:06] Erik: Huh.
[1:00:07 – 1:00:09] Adam: I guess he did tell me about Little Sims.
[1:00:10 – 1:00:12] Adam: That one’s rapidly climbing the list.
[1:00:12 – 1:00:13] Adam: Will it make the top ten?
[1:00:13 – 1:00:13] Adam: Who knows?
[1:00:14 – 1:00:14] Adam: Who knows?
[1:00:14 – 1:00:15] Adam: I better make Eric’s.
[1:00:15 – 1:00:17] Adam: Eric’s probably got it on the top ten.
[1:00:17 – 1:00:17] Adam: We’ll leave that.
[1:00:19 – 1:00:21] Adam: Eric is very good at finding new music.
[1:00:21 – 1:00:24] Adam: We’re talking today, like, are we ever going to get our radio show back?
[1:00:25 – 1:00:26] Adam: The Triangle Table?
[1:00:26 – 1:00:26] Adam: Yeah.
[1:00:26 – 1:00:27] Adam: What happened to that thing?
[1:00:27 – 1:00:27] Adam: I’d love to get that back.
[1:00:27 – 1:00:28] Adam: Are you out there?
[1:00:28 – 1:00:28] Adam: Michael?
[1:00:29 – 1:00:29] Adam: Michael?
[1:00:30 – 1:00:31] Adam: He’s got his act together these days.
[1:00:31 – 1:00:33] Adam: I don’t know if we can even call him Deke anymore.
[1:00:33 – 1:00:36] Erik: He’s back to just being full-blown Mike.
[1:00:36 – 1:00:37] Erik: He’s Mike.
[1:00:38 – 1:00:39] Erik: He’s not Michael quite yet.
[1:00:39 – 1:00:41] Adam: Michael K. It’s not like he’s a doctor or anything.
[1:00:42 – 1:00:43] Adam: He’s never been a doctor.
[1:00:43 – 1:00:44] Adam: He never was a doctor.
[1:00:45 – 1:00:46] Adam: Never was a doctor.
[1:00:46 – 1:00:46] Adam: No.
[1:00:46 – 1:00:47] Adam: The Michael K. story.
[1:00:48 – 1:00:50] Erik: I never was a doctor.
[1:00:50 – 1:00:51] Erik: The Michael K. story.
[1:00:52 – 1:00:54] Adam: This has been a weird episode, Eric.
[1:00:54 – 1:00:55] Adam: It’s been a real weird one.
[1:00:55 – 1:00:56] Adam: I don’t know.
[1:00:56 – 1:01:00] Erik: There was a solid half hour of legitimate back-and-forth discussion on…
[1:01:02 – 1:01:07] Erik: The abominable snowman, whether or not he’s going to make it into this shed or not.
[1:01:07 – 1:01:09] Adam: Blizzard warning continues to be in effect.
[1:01:11 – 1:01:11] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:11 – 1:01:12] Adam: Seek shelter.
[1:01:12 – 1:01:14] Erik: I might have to hit the snowy road here.
[1:01:14 – 1:01:15] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:15 – 1:01:16] Erik: It’s getting a little dicey out there.
[1:01:17 – 1:01:19] Erik: Although I did just get a message from the homestead.
[1:01:19 – 1:01:21] Erik: It sounds like the road has been plowed.
[1:01:21 – 1:01:22] Adam: There you go.
[1:01:23 – 1:01:24] Adam: There you go.
[1:01:24 – 1:01:27] Adam: You can always count on your neighbors up here on the North Shore.
[1:01:27 – 1:01:30] Erik: Got a solid three to four inches as of right now.
[1:01:31 – 1:01:36] Erik: A little bit disappointing up to this point, considering the 12 to 18 inches forecast.
[1:01:36 – 1:01:38] Adam: I think it’s going to keep going all night, though.
[1:01:39 – 1:01:42] Erik: I want a god dang foot plus.
[1:01:42 – 1:01:43] Adam: I want a foot.
[1:01:44 – 1:01:46] Erik: Yeah, I want to get fully yakked on.
[1:01:46 – 1:01:47] Erik: Yeah.
[1:01:47 – 1:01:48] Erik: I want to get snow bukkakeed.
[1:01:49 – 1:01:52] Erik: If this is going to be a snow day, then let’s get buried.
[1:01:52 – 1:01:54] Erik: Tomorrow is going to be the snow day.
[1:01:54 – 1:01:56] Erik: It’s classic Cook County snow forecast.
[1:01:56 – 1:02:00] Erik: It always comes in like, it starts like 12 hours later than it’s forecast.
[1:02:00 – 1:02:06] Adam: Everything was closed today, but it’s going to be a real nightmare for my morning commute on Monday for sure.
[1:02:06 – 1:02:07] Adam: That’s going to be the worst driving conditions.
[1:02:08 – 1:02:08] Adam: It’s going to be Monday morning.
[1:02:09 – 1:02:09] Erik: But you’re open.
[1:02:10 – 1:02:10] Adam: No, we’re open.
[1:02:10 – 1:02:11] Adam: Everybody come on in.
[1:02:11 – 1:02:11] Adam: Yeah.
[1:02:12 – 1:02:12] Adam: Into work.
[1:02:12 – 1:02:13] Erik: Yeah.
[1:02:13 – 1:02:15] Erik: I got a three-day weekend because of my snow day.
[1:02:15 – 1:02:16] Adam: That’s wonderful.
[1:02:16 – 1:02:18] Erik: I don’t have to go anywhere until Wednesday.
[1:02:19 – 1:02:20] Adam: He did come over here, though.
[1:02:20 – 1:02:21] Erik: Yeah, that’s fine.
[1:02:21 – 1:02:24] Adam: That’s a pleasurable drive.
[1:02:24 – 1:02:30] Erik: I had a snowplow procession.
[1:02:31 – 1:02:32] Adam: Yeah, you had a good lead blocker.
[1:02:33 – 1:02:38] Erik: not to get into too many personal details, but I was in a funeral procession, uh, within the last two weeks.
[1:02:39 – 1:02:45] Erik: And it’s kind of a crazy thing because like you’re intermingling with like other traffic.
[1:02:45 – 1:02:52] Erik: And there was a couple of different times where like people turned into the procession or like two lanes went down into one.
[1:02:52 – 1:02:54] Erik: And then they had like merge in with you.
[1:02:55 – 1:03:03] Erik: And then they were just like, you could just feel the energy from the vehicle being like, Oh wait, I’m in a funeral procession now.
[1:03:04 – 1:03:12] Erik: And if I was in that vehicle, I’d be like, well, I’m just going to dip off on the shoulder, pull off, let him pass.
[1:03:12 – 1:03:16] Erik: But there were some people that were just like, yeah, I got to be where I got to be.
[1:03:16 – 1:03:21] Erik: If that means I got to get there via funeral procession, I’m in it.
[1:03:22 – 1:03:24] Erik: There were multiple vehicles that just turned in.
[1:03:24 – 1:03:26] Erik: I’m like, what is this guy doing?
[1:03:27 – 1:03:39] Erik: And the whole thing was predicated on one man on a motorcycle just buzzing up to intersections, stopping, and then having to wait until the whole thing went through and then buzz up to the next stop.
[1:03:39 – 1:03:41] Erik: But in between, there was always side turns.
[1:03:42 – 1:03:46] Erik: And then there was also the interesting dynamic of oncoming traffic.
[1:03:47 – 1:03:55] Erik: Where they would see the flashing lights and pull over and then some people would just like completely disregard it and just keep driving.
[1:03:56 – 1:04:02] Erik: And then there were some people like even on sidewalks who would like just like stand and like give like a salute as they went by.
[1:04:02 – 1:04:04] Erik: And it was just like, well, it’s just a…
[1:04:05 – 1:04:06] Adam: His grandma.
[1:04:06 – 1:04:06] Adam: Well, that’s nice.
[1:04:07 – 1:04:07] Erik: It was nice.
[1:04:07 – 1:04:18] Erik: It was very kind of, it was nice to see and it gave me an appreciation for like, I don’t see too many funeral processions, but like, I think if I see one in the future, I’ll do like the full, full pull off on the shoulder.
[1:04:18 – 1:04:19] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:19 – 1:04:20] Erik: Last hurrah.
[1:04:21 – 1:04:23] Erik: Give grandma one last like disruption.
[1:04:24 – 1:04:24] UNKNOWN: Yeah.
[1:04:26 – 1:04:27] Erik: I just thought it was funny.
[1:04:27 – 1:04:29] Erik: People like merging into a procession.
[1:04:29 – 1:04:29] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:29 – 1:04:30] Adam: Like I’m in on this.
[1:04:30 – 1:04:31] Erik: I’m in on it.
[1:04:31 – 1:04:31] Adam: Yeah.
[1:04:32 – 1:04:34] Erik: I’m not going to turn my hazards on, but I’m in it.
[1:04:35 – 1:04:37] Erik: You don’t have the little purple flag on your hood.
[1:04:37 – 1:04:37] Erik: So what are you?
[1:04:37 – 1:04:38] Erik: You don’t have a little flag.
[1:04:38 – 1:04:39] Erik: You didn’t have a flag.
[1:04:40 – 1:04:43] Adam: I always carry one of those with me though, just in case.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:43] Erik: Yeah.
[1:04:43 – 1:04:44] Erik: That was the thing.
[1:04:44 – 1:04:48] Erik: Like when we pulled over, I was like, I should quick grab this thing and just throw it in the back seat.
[1:04:48 – 1:04:48] Adam: Yeah.
[1:04:48 – 1:04:50] Adam: You never know when you’re going to need a little purple flag.
[1:04:51 – 1:04:58] Erik: It was like one of those things was like, when else in my life am I going to come into contact with a magnet of this power?
[1:04:58 – 1:04:59] Adam: That’s a good magnet, yeah.
[1:04:59 – 1:05:00] Erik: Such a strong magnet.
[1:05:00 – 1:05:01] Adam: Those are hardcore.
[1:05:01 – 1:05:04] Erik: Funeral procession flag magnets, the strongest there are.
[1:05:04 – 1:05:09] Adam: You can find a way to use that in the Boundary Waters camp for sure.
[1:05:09 – 1:05:09] Erik: Oh, yeah.
[1:05:10 – 1:05:13] Erik: You could probably hang a couple of hammocks if you could just find a couple of…
[1:05:13 – 1:05:15] Adam: Hang an illegal bear barrel.
[1:05:15 – 1:05:20] Erik: A couple of iron trees or two very close fire grates.
[1:05:23 – 1:05:24] Erik: I guess that’s about it.
[1:05:26 – 1:05:26] Adam: All right.
[1:05:28 – 1:05:29] Adam: Thank you for listening tonight.
[1:05:31 – 1:05:35] Adam: Thank you to Noah and… You gonna get it?
[1:05:35 – 1:05:36] Erik: You gonna get it?
[1:05:36 – 1:05:36] Erik: Lindsay.
[1:05:37 – 1:05:37] Erik: What?
[1:05:38 – 1:05:38] Erik: Lindsay.
[1:05:38 – 1:05:39] Erik: Lindsay, you got it.
[1:05:39 – 1:05:40] Erik: Noah and Lindsay.
[1:05:40 – 1:05:44] Adam: Thank you for Noah and Lindsay from Little Duluth.
[1:05:44 – 1:05:46] Adam: Little Duluth.
[1:05:46 – 1:05:52] Adam: Old windy town for your delicious mango margarita beers that Eric loved so much.
[1:05:53 – 1:05:55] Adam: And I like the Unicorn Island, of course.
[1:05:55 – 1:06:02] Erik: Oh, I was not a huge fan of the mango margs, but I am definitely digging the Unicorn Island.
[1:06:02 – 1:06:03] Erik: Favorite berries ever had.
[1:06:03 – 1:06:05] Erik: Guava and pineapple.
[1:06:05 – 1:06:11] Adam: Thank you to myself for making the definitely was hard apple cider and not to Posh.
[1:06:12 – 1:06:12] Adam: Thank you.
[1:06:12 – 1:06:13] Erik: Shout out to the Blizzard.
[1:06:13 – 1:06:16] Adam: Hey, Blizzard, if you’re out there, are you listening?
[1:06:17 – 1:06:20] Adam: Thank you for rattling our doors during this proceedings.
[1:06:21 – 1:06:22] Erik: It didn’t get a name, did it?
[1:06:23 – 1:06:23] Adam: The Blizzard?
[1:06:23 – 1:06:23] Erik: No.
[1:06:24 – 1:06:24] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:25 – 1:06:25] Adam: Blizzard Dennis.
[1:06:26 – 1:06:27] Adam: Dennis?
[1:06:27 – 1:06:27] Adam: Dennis the Blizzard.
[1:06:27 – 1:06:28] Erik: Doesn’t it go in alphabetical?
[1:06:29 – 1:06:32] Erik: No, they just start at D. Oh, it just starts at D?
[1:06:32 – 1:06:33] Erik: Yeah.
[1:06:35 – 1:06:38] Adam: And shout out to our sponsors, of course, Spotify.
[1:06:38 – 1:06:38] Adam: We love you.
[1:06:39 – 1:06:40] Adam: And the Forest Service.
[1:06:40 – 1:06:41] Adam: Love you too.
[1:06:42 – 1:06:44] Adam: We’re hard on you because we care so much.
[1:06:44 – 1:06:45] Adam: No.
[1:06:45 – 1:06:46] Erik: We don’t care about you.
[1:06:46 – 1:06:48] Erik: We care about the park, and we want you to do what’s right.
[1:06:48 – 1:06:54] Adam: Well, we care a lot about the park, so that’s why we’re hard on you, because it’s your unfortunate job to try and manage people.
[1:06:55 – 1:06:55] Erik: I get it.
[1:06:55 – 1:06:56] Erik: It’s complicated.
[1:06:56 – 1:06:59] Erik: We’re not saying that there is a black and white way that it should be done.
[1:06:59 – 1:07:02] Erik: If that was the case, it would probably be done.
[1:07:03 – 1:07:05] Adam: All right, I’m back to being in a medium mood, I would say.
[1:07:05 – 1:07:15] Adam: I was in a great mood early, I was in a pretty low mood late, and then I worked it back to a medium at the end of the show.
[1:07:15 – 1:07:18] Erik: Okay, well, is there anything we can do to send us out on a high note?
[1:07:18 – 1:07:21] Erik: Do we want to talk about those knives at all, or do we want to leave those as a teaser?
[1:07:22 – 1:07:27] Adam: No, we’re going to do a, we can just preview the show idea.
[1:07:28 – 1:07:29] Adam: Tomahawk Cinema Classics.
[1:07:30 – 1:07:32] Adam: We don’t know what the name of the award is going to be yet, I guess.
[1:07:33 – 1:07:35] Erik: Well, it was the end of the year.
[1:07:35 – 1:07:37] Erik: Yeah, the question of the year was the first one, though.
[1:07:38 – 1:07:38] Adam: Right.
[1:07:38 – 1:07:43] Adam: Well, I don’t know if we should give that away, though, because then it might influence people.
[1:07:43 – 1:07:43] Erik: Okay.
[1:07:43 – 1:07:44] Erik: Well, we won’t say anything.
[1:07:44 – 1:07:45] Adam: We got some surprises for you.
[1:07:45 – 1:07:47] Adam: There’s a new t-shirt out there.
[1:07:47 – 1:07:53] Adam: We got a couple weird knives floating around that might be given out for gifts based on participation in future shows.
[1:07:55 – 1:07:57] Adam: The Tumblies, for sure, are going to be a thing.
[1:07:57 – 1:08:01] Adam: We’re going to announce our nominees, put it up for votes.
[1:08:02 – 1:08:03] Adam: Votes?
[1:08:03 – 1:08:04] Adam: I would say this, Eric.
[1:08:04 – 1:08:10] Adam: I would say we encourage people to vote, and people who vote in the Tumblies are often rewarded.
[1:08:10 – 1:08:13] Erik: People that vote on things might potentially get free things.
[1:08:14 – 1:08:22] Erik: Adam has replaced his pointing finger with a rapidly and aggressively up and down eyebrow.
[1:08:23 – 1:08:26] Erik: He’s giving me a big left eyebrow up and down.
[1:08:28 – 1:08:28] Erik: Zip it, Eric.
[1:08:28 – 1:08:29] Erik: What are you doing?
[1:08:30 – 1:08:31] Adam: Yeah, the tumblies are going to happen.
[1:08:32 – 1:08:32] Adam: We’ve got to figure out.
[1:08:33 – 1:08:35] Adam: We’re not sure on the timeline on that.
[1:08:35 – 1:08:39] Adam: In classic Forest Service fashion, we’re going to announce something, but then give you no details.
[1:08:39 – 1:08:43] Adam: But yeah, nominees will be proffered and voted on.
[1:08:44 – 1:08:46] Adam: Who is your favorite in cinema?
[1:08:47 – 1:08:56] Adam: And have not announced the next Tumble Home Cinema Classics episode, but hope you all enjoyed The Revenant and Thanksgiving.
[1:08:56 – 1:08:59] Adam: That’s coming out when this comes out.
[1:08:59 – 1:08:59] Adam: Thanksgiving?
[1:08:59 – 1:09:00] Erik: Mm-hmm.
[1:09:00 – 1:09:01] Adam: Wow, Thanksgiving.
[1:09:01 – 1:09:02] Adam: Revenant’s out.
[1:09:02 – 1:09:03] Adam: Yeah, as it should be.
[1:09:03 – 1:09:05] Adam: So I haven’t announced…
[1:09:06 – 1:09:09] Adam: I have not decided on what the next pick is going to be, but not important.
[1:09:09 – 1:09:14] Erik: I feel like Thanksgiving is much more of an interesting listen as a TCC listener than The Revenant.
[1:09:14 – 1:09:21] Erik: If you want to listen to me just get angry about what I saw as a boring movie, you can listen to The Revenant.
[1:09:22 – 1:09:28] Adam: All right, but anyways, the point is it’s going to be up to the people on the tumblies as far as who wins the awards.
[1:09:28 – 1:09:43] Adam: We’re going to get actual envelopes and definitely not wearing tuxedos, but I will get dressed up fancy for the tumblies, the where’d you go, how’d you do, what’s your highlight of the season show, of course, is coming up.
[1:09:44 – 1:09:47] Adam: And we know it’s been out there, what, a month?
[1:09:47 – 1:09:47] Adam: Yeah.
[1:09:47 – 1:09:49] Adam: How long have people had to respond to this?
[1:09:49 – 1:09:50] Erik: Oh, it’s been about a month.
[1:09:50 – 1:09:53] Erik: So, yeah, if you still have not responded, you’ve got another week.
[1:09:53 – 1:09:59] Erik: We’re probably going to get back into a weekly schedule here for the most part.
[1:09:59 – 1:10:07] Adam: I’d say people that are sending in stories to this thread and voting on stories in this thread also would be rewarded.
[1:10:08 – 1:10:23] Erik: possibly so yeah think about that see we’re 170 episodes in and we’re we’re down to having to coax you into responding to questions with prizes no that’s not what’s going on at all
[1:10:23 – 1:10:26] Adam: People are just being rewarded for doing what they want to do, Eric.
[1:10:26 – 1:10:28] Erik: Just being rewarded for being good people.
[1:10:28 – 1:10:33] Erik: We’re going to have to bring these foam microphone voice buffer things into the house.
[1:10:34 – 1:10:36] Erik: Otherwise, they’re going to freeze solid.
[1:10:36 – 1:10:39] Adam: Too much vapor in the air.
[1:10:39 – 1:10:40] Adam: All right.
[1:10:40 – 1:10:48] Adam: For Tumble Home Boundary Waters Podcast, a proud independent podcast coming to you from the Blizzard Shed,
[1:10:48 – 1:10:56] Adam: With the blue lights on and the heater full blast, my name has been Francois Lacastor, joined here by my good friend Scabs Jr. III.
[1:10:57 – 1:11:00] Adam: Thank you for being with us tonight in the tumble shed.
[1:11:02 – 1:11:03] Adam: Happy paddling.
[1:11:04 – 1:11:04] Adam: No.
[1:11:05 – 1:11:06] Adam: Happy skiing.
[1:11:06 – 1:11:07] Erik: Happy skiing.
[1:11:07 – 1:11:08] Erik: Happy shoveling.
[1:11:09 – 1:11:10] Erik: Get your booster shots.
[1:11:10 – 1:11:14] Erik: Prepare for it to suck, but it is for the greater good.
[1:11:14 – 1:11:15] Adam: That’s right.
[1:11:15 – 1:11:20] Adam: Eric now is producing an excellent 5G signal everywhere he walks.
[1:11:21 – 1:11:29] Adam: So we can look up all your memes and lists and comments on the subreddit.
[1:11:29 – 1:11:33] Adam: Thank you, Eric, for doing your part.
[1:11:34 – 1:11:37] Erik: Yeah, we’re closing in on 700 members on the subreddit.
[1:11:37 – 1:11:37] Erik: Let’s do it.
[1:11:37 – 1:11:39] Erik: Let’s get there before the end of the new year.
[1:11:39 – 1:11:40] Adam: Wow, dang, really?
[1:11:40 – 1:11:40] Adam: Yeah.
[1:11:41 – 1:11:41] Erik: All right.
[1:11:42 – 1:11:43] Erik: We’ve been stuck on 664.
[1:11:43 – 1:11:47] Erik: If we get stuck on 666, I’d be fine with that forever.
[1:11:47 – 1:11:49] Adam: Yeah, just cap it.
[1:11:49 – 1:11:50] Adam: No more members, please.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:51] Adam: It’s now private.
[1:11:51 – 1:11:53] Adam: It’ll be a lottery going forward from now on.
[1:11:53 – 1:11:57] Adam: If you want to get into the subreddit, you got to put through your name in the hat.
[1:11:58 – 1:12:02] Erik: Yeah, we might actually have to implement some kind of a quota restriction.
[1:12:02 – 1:12:04] Erik: It’s getting too popular.
[1:12:05 – 1:12:08] Adam: Getting a little too hot over here in the Tumble Home shit.
[1:12:08 – 1:12:11] Erik: We wouldn’t want any of our resources being degradated.
[1:12:11 – 1:12:17] Erik: The degradation of resources on the Tumble Home cast on Reddit is paramount.
[1:12:19 – 1:12:20] Erik: Thank you for listening.
[1:12:20 – 1:12:21] Erik: You can see my breath.
[1:12:22 – 1:12:23] Erik: I can’t feel my toes.
[1:12:25 – 1:12:32] Erik: I have to go start my vehicle and let it run for a few minutes to melt the, I’m sure, five inches of snow that I’ve now accumulated on it.
[1:12:33 – 1:12:37] Erik: And then try to make the drive on home before it gets fully dark.
[1:12:37 – 1:12:40] Adam: I really hope that people can hear the blizzard noises in the shed right now.
[1:12:41 – 1:12:42] Erik: Yeah, I do too.
[1:12:42 – 1:12:50] Erik: Unfortunately, there’s not a really great way to just quick pop one of these mics outside to get that wind.
[1:12:50 – 1:12:53] Erik: Ooh, we’re cranking up the… Yeah, we’re turning on the little heater.
[1:12:53 – 1:12:54] Erik: I’m sure you can hear that then.
[1:12:54 – 1:12:57] Adam: Ha, ha, ha, ha.
[1:12:58 – 1:13:01] Adam: Little heater in the shed.
[1:13:03 – 1:13:06] Erik: Don’t people that live in colder climates live longer?
[1:13:06 – 1:13:06] Adam: Yeah.
[1:13:07 – 1:13:07] Erik: All right.
[1:13:07 – 1:13:08] Erik: Maybe I’ll stay.
[1:13:09 – 1:13:09] Adam: Thank you.
[1:13:09 – 1:13:10] Adam: All right.
[1:13:10 – 1:13:11] Adam: The end.
[1:14:49 – 1:14:49] UNKNOWN: Bye.